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now on bbc news — hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk. i'm stephen sackur. the international reach of the black lives matter movement has put a new focus on racism in sport. my guest todayis focus on racism in sport. my guest today is an athlete who made a stand. adam goodes was a star in australian rules foot pole. 0ne stand. adam goodes was a star in australian rules foot pole. one of the greatest ever players of aboriginal descent. he quit the game after yea rs of racist aboriginal descent. he quit the game after years of racist abuse. a movie has been made of his story. what can australia and the wider world learn from it? adam goodes in new south

wales. welcome to hardtalk. thanks for having me, mate. you quit your sport aussie rules football in 2015 having made a stand against racism. five years on, racism and racism in sport is top of the agenda with the black lives matter movement making it such a theme right across the world. how much do you believe is changed in the past five years? i think the thing that has changed for me is think the thing that has changed for meisi think the thing that has changed for me isiam think the thing that has changed for me is i am not putting myself in a situation for that abuse it to be put on me every time i went to work. that is the biggest thing that has changed for me and i am more happier. and i have definitely moved oni happier. and i have definitely moved on i think what has changed is a lot

more people are woke to racism, especially casual racism. i think it is what people are learning about and having a little bit more empathy and having a little bit more empathy and having a little bit more education about other people's race, beliefs, to be a little bit more tolera nt of beliefs, to be a little bit more tolerant of each other. you have made a very moving documentary film. the australian dream, which portrays exactly what happened to you. in many ways, it is a very unhappy story. it shows your deep depression and unhappiness as you confronted the race issue. it also suggests a nation, australia, that was deeply polarised by the issue. has that changed? it is hard to say. i think we wa nt changed? it is hard to say. i think we want as many people across the world to see this documentary and it isn't just a football documentary,

this is a documentary about the decisions and choices that i have made as it indigenous person in australia but also a documentary about the history that has played a pa rt about the history that has played a part in this country about the choices i have made stop since colonisation of the british empire 200 odd years ago, you know, where they claimed our land as terra malleus and saying that there was no people living on this continent. —— —— terra nullius because it is still not written into this constitution in australia and we are only the country —— the only country in the commonwealth doesn't have sovereignty with its people. there area sovereignty with its people. there are a lot of issues in this documentary that we talk to which have affected me on myjourney and me finding my voice as a strong indigenous person. interesting you say that. finding your voice. i want to ta ke say that. finding your voice. i want to take you right back to childhood. you were born of an indigenous mum.

i wonder whether you identified as aboriginal and whether it was an important part of your upbringing. for me it was very clear that i didn't fit, that i was a minority. i w0 re didn't fit, that i was a minority. i wore my colour of my skin as a badge of honour and i knew that i was aboriginal from of honour and i knew that i was aboriginalfrom a tribe of honour and i knew that i was aboriginal from a tribe which means rock people from the flinders ranges in south australia. and my whole life was a journey about learning more about my culture and why i didn't grow up knowing and speaking that language. were you bullied at

school? were you facing day today discrimination as a kid? —— day to day. i went to six different primary schools, two different high schools, just as we moved around, as a lot of indigenous families do, to try and find their place. mum raised us three boys by herself and i think for me, the bullying came and obviously it was directed at the colour of my skin, but i had some really good friends from different schools and i think what made it a little bit easier to break down those barriers is that i could kick a ball, i could catch a ball, i could throw a ball. i could run fast. those attributes made it easierfor me to fast. those attributes made it easier for me to fit in over time. fast. those attributes made it easier for me to fit in over timelj am very mindful that the guy you collaborated with on the film the australian dream, stan grant, who wrote the film and is a big part of the film, he talked about as a young

person growing up with such a sense of shame. he said" to be aboriginal in my youth was to be ashamed, ashamed of our poverty, ashamed of oui’ ashamed of our poverty, ashamed of our secondhand clothes, the secondhand lifestyle, the broken glass, the constant movement," and then you became a standout up —— athlete. how hard is it you have a footin athlete. how hard is it you have a foot in both worlds? we still have a foot in both worlds? we still have a footin foot in both worlds? we still have a foot in both worlds? we still have a foot in both worlds. most indigenous people live into worlds. the world and a culture, spiritual world stop the indigenous ancestry we have. and a culture, spiritual world stop the indigenous ancestry we havem has a lot of trauma and baggage and hopelessness, disadvantage that has been passed on from generation to generation. what we tend to do is create role models and be able to ta ke create role models and be able to take down those barriers that i keep

talking about for our future generations to understand that it does take hard work to be successful and you are going to have to work harder than nonindigenous people if you want to be successful because of the barriers that might stand in your way. from the very late 90s to the 2000 ‘s, he became a really top talent. you played for the sydney swa ns, talent. you played for the sydney swans, you won all sorts of personal and team awards and cups and championships and then came one extraordinary moment at the height of your career in 2013 which arguably changed your life. we have arguably changed your life. we have a little clip of the film which gives a sense of what happened. let's just have a look at that right 110w. let's just have a look at that right now. i just let's just have a look at that right now. ijust remember running down collingwood's and and i grabbed the ball rightly the boundary and i got pushed closer to the fence. and here from the crowd, "adam goodes, you're an eight. —— ape. timejust sort

of stopped in my head and i thought while? i turned to the security guard andi while? i turned to the security guard and i said i want her out of here. when i looked at the person i could see it was a kid. commentator: he definitely went back and pointed to someone at the crowd. he is definitely not happy about something. adam, that is an extraordinary moment. i'm just wondering at what point did you realise that that horrible abuse that you had heard had come from a child? you have got to put this moment in time in a bit of context as well. that week of the round where we were playing on a friday night at the mcg was the start of

indigenous round where we celebrate indigenous round where we celebrate indigenous players and culture. the contribution that indigenous players have made to the game. i also during the week did a photograph emulating the week did a photograph emulating the great nicky winmar who was in the great nicky winmar who was in the documentary as well because it was the 20 year anniversary to the week when nicky winmar stood up in a game and lifted his shirt up in the end of it, pointing to his black skin, saying i am black and i am proud. i did that and they printed it the morning of our game so this was a pretty big built—up game and we we re was a pretty big built—up game and we were playing against a team that i used to eric for in collingwood at the mcg and ijust so happened to have a day at that game —— that i used to direct four. it was late in the quarter that that happened and i absolutely could not believe it and by the time i turned around and pointed, it was a young female and it wasn't until the security guard came over and i pointed that i

walked away and the collingwood teammate was actually, the collingwood player that was right near me was darrenjolley who i had w011 near me was darrenjolley who i had won a premiership with with sydney in 2005. he came up to me and said, what is wrong, mate? and i said may, she is 13 or 1a years old, i can't believe it and he asked what i was talking about and ijust ran to the bench and i just talking about and ijust ran to the bench and ijust couldn't believe that it was such a young person calling me and ape from the boundary line. there was a huge amount of support but from conservative australians, there was a real backlash. some accused you in the way that you —— the way that you pointed at her and the way the security escorted her from the venue, the way you talked about it afterwards, talking about the face of racism in australia. they said that you, in essence, were unreasonably bullying a 13—year—old

girl. did you pause to consider whether they might have a point?|j spoke to her and her sister after the game. i had a really good conversation with them about what it was that they called me. she said look, i'm so sorry, i had no idea that ape was a racial term. it was good to have a conversation with her and her sister because to my point of this whole conversation was these girls don't know what they were saying. they were copying people in the crowd who obviously knew what they were saying by calling me an ape and these young girls were copying that. these other environment that these young girls are being educated in. this whole conversation was about educating our young people but educating people who do say those things in those public arenas that people are listening and people are observing and they are thinking it is ok if you can say it, i can say it as well. what's interesting in the

documentary that you've just made, which reflects back on that interest —— that moment, it is interesting that you give a voice to conservatives who criticise you and who, in essence, say that you have been provocative in your career. you, for example, at one point after that when you were being booed co nsta ntly that when you were being booed constantly by that when you were being booed co nsta ntly by fa ns that when you were being booed constantly by fans in the stands, you didn't aboriginal war dance scoring a goal. according to them, you made matters worse. and you allow those voices to be heard. was that because you want to expose them? do you feel those voices are themselves racist? you work in the media, steve. these people work in the media. everyone has a voice and eve ryo ne d ese rves the media. everyone has a voice and everyone deserves to have a voice. it is then about how do we make people accountable for that voice

and you know, ijust wanted to go out there and play the game. when i did that indigenous a warcry, this was once again, indigenous round we are supposed to be celebrating indigenous people, indigenous culture. that round, i was wearing the sydney swans guernsey which was designed by my mother with indigenous design on it. so if that was not the moment to do a indigenous a warcry, being indigenous a warcry, being indigenous round and i am a indigenous round and i am a indigenous person wearing an indigenous person wearing an indigenous guernsey designed by my mother, i don't know whether indigenous culture can be expressed at all on the field. i wonder about how racist abuse is handled today. in football, for example, soccer as you may call it, there are now protocols in international games and we have seen it with england players wear if they are receiving racist

abuse and we're talking about the black england players, a warning is put out across the stadium. if this continues, the will cease. we have actually seen it happen now in international matches where players have walked off the field because of racist abuse from the stands. looking back, do you wish that you and your teammates had actually walked off the field when you experienced racist abuse? walked off the field when you experienced racist abuse ?|j walked off the field when you experienced racist abuse? i don't think my teammates need to, you know, make such a big sense for me. ifi know, make such a big sense for me. if i can't create the type of action i need to make immediate reporting that person post game, apologising to me, then me actually taking that apology on, you know, there is a due process. but unfortunately here in australia, what we're seeing now is media is used as that tool to racially vilify our like players and

athletes across our nation. and it is truly unfair and these people use profiles that they just is truly unfair and these people use profiles that theyjust make up and it is really hard to really capture who these people. the abuse, you know, racial abuse that i have had a football field, i've always been able to see the person who did that. soi able to see the person who did that. so i was able to point them out and report them and have a conversation with those people. on it what it is and hold them accountable for what they have said. and unfortunately when you have a majority of the arena building you, it is really ha rd to arena building you, it is really hard to pinpoint those individuals —— booing. whether or not they are booing me because i am a sheet bloke 01’ booing me because i am a sheet bloke or because of my race. in that period, from 2013 to 2015, i'm quoting something that you said, i

felt like an absolute piece of... if the weather can't repeat on tv. you say i was an emotional wreck, i didn't want to go to training, i felt like i had neverfelt like before in my entire career, i broke down. and then of course you literally walked away, you left syd ney literally walked away, you left sydney and you went back to your ancestral homeland in the flinders mountains. what was it also a metaphorical walking away? in a sense, looking back on it, do you feel like you were defeated by walking away? no, ifeel like feel like you were defeated by walking away? no, i feel like any person of colour and race that has ever been racially abused, will understand how i was feeling during that period of time. and they can really connect with. and i suppose thatis really connect with. and i suppose that is why the documentary is having so much success internationally because a lot of people can connect to that feeling i've been through and what they have been through in their life of being marginalised against.

when you are in a dark place, it's like you have completely forgotten everything anybody has ever said to you that was good or that you think of all the bad things that have happened to you, or you think about is the bad things people have said to you. and it's on a stereo playing at the loudest possible db in your head. echoing in your mind, you're worth nothing, i don't care about you. go away. to stand on the land and say to make thousands of generations of my family are from here, i generations of my family are from here, lam generations of my family are from here, i am born out of this place, that feeling is not something that you can feel anywhere else. be choosing to walk away was me making a choice for my own mental health. i

needed to get away from this toxic environment that had, up until that point of time, been a safe place for me to be an incredible player that i wa nted me to be an incredible player that i wanted to be and for me to learn to be the leader that i was. here i had a choice to submit myself to this toxic environment or to get away from it and really reassess my priorities. and it was that trip away to the flinders ranges that helped me to realign what might purpose was and that this was going to be my last year. and that i could get through the last six games of that season and be able to walk away from the game for good. what strikes me in this interview is that you speak so calmly both about the personal experiences we have discussed and state of australia today. but you must be very aren't you? look, steve, ithink there are two ways you can be, you can be

angry because it is an angry situation. when you think of colonisation, taranna —— terra nullius, the white australia policy behind it. we have only been recognised in australia as citizens for the past 53 years. before that we we re for the past 53 years. before that we were seen as for the past 53 years. before that we were seen as flora and fauna. you can focus on all of the negativity or you can be part of the positives. i have chosen to focus on the positives, i don't want to be angry, i don't want to, you know, i have a younger daughter sleeping in the room next to me. i don't want her to be angry about our past, i want her to be proud about who she is as an indigenous woman. i want her to be proud of her father in the way that he is trying to be positive and focus on the good things in our community, and being part of those good things. whether it is around education, employment, for our people. why is it, because in your

words, that new zealand the country thatis words, that new zealand the country that is not very away that you are often linked to an competitive, is in your words, light years ahead of us in your words, light years ahead of us in australia when it comes to the attitudes towards the treatment of indigenous people. why? it's very simple. when the english went to new zealand, they signed a treaty with the local indigenous people. they have sovereignty of their own country. in australia, when english came here and invaded us, they claimed terra nullius which is the com plete claimed terra nullius which is the complete difference crosstalk that is why they are light years ahead of us is why they are light years ahead of us today. so, what to do about it? you have a prime minister, scott morrison, who recently claimed that they never had been slavery in australia. he defends captain cook, the british sat like who you are referring to when you talk about this idea of british people landing on the empty land of australia, is the leadership in your country

listening to you? you now run foundations, you are involved in business empowerment for aboriginal people but other people in power listening? i don't know if they are listening? i don't know if they are listening or not —— are the people. there are other issues going on in our nation that they think needs more attention. you have to remember we are 2.8% of the population here in australia, so not much time and effort is put into working with us as indigenous people stop and when i mean work, working with us, that means listening to us, taking our advice and creating good governance and policy behind it. we have some incredible indigenous leaders now in our government parties, which is great. we need more of it. for me, i will work with government, i will help them achieve their kpis when it comes to indigenous outcomes, but i

don't have time to wait for them and indigenous people don't have time to wait for the government to get this right. so we're working with corporate ‘s here in australia who understand that and see the value of working with indigenous people, whether it is education, employment, or through philanthropic pick work —— philanthropic work. they need to be acknowledged in the work they have done in raising indigenous people's lives in the last 20 plus yea rs people's lives in the last 20 plus years when it comes to earning capability for our people. a quick final thought, adam, you called your film the australian dream. do you believe in it or is it ironic? it's up believe in it or is it ironic? it's up to the people who watch the documentary. i think anybody who has been to australia has a completely different view of our country than what i do, thus for sure. and that any indigenous person has. i think any indigenous person has. i think any person who lives in australia

and watches this documentary might change what the australian dream it means to them. we have a lot of people that have come here on the boats and planes who are living the australian dream, who escaped or, escaped great depression. they have been pushed out of their country by other invading countries and have come to australia and have been able to in wonder or two generations have been able to live a better life than when they came here. unfortunately, for tourist rate and islander people, we are yet to reap the benefits everyone else does when it relates to the australian dream. i am hopeful and i think when you watch the documentary, there is that sense of hope. as you hear the indigenous voices during the documentary. we are all hopeful that we can all live that australian dream that we all prosper to. adam goodes, it has been a pleasure to have your hardtalk. thank you very

much indeed. thank you, steve, appreciated. hello. temperatures by day this week will be close to average — high teens, low 20s — but we are starting the week with overnight temperatures below average. quite chilly first thing monday morning, and the temperatures will head up because there will be a fair amount of sunshine out there. this high—pressure settles things down, then, to start the week. although toppling around the area of high—pressure will be a few showers, more especially in scotland and a few from the word go, but these are the starting temperatures, then, for monday morning, widely in single figures. these are town, city centres. cooler than this in the countryside. so mid to low single figures in the chilliest spots. but again, those temperatures

are going to be heading up in the sunshine. a lot of that to come first thing. some cloud is going to build. for scotland, it's a mixture of cloud and sunshine. most of the showers will be north of the central belt. northern ireland and northern england mayjust pick up a shower later but the bulk of england and for wales, will stay dry. lion share of the sunshine through wales and southern england so this is where we will see the highest temperatures, and some spots just creeping into the low 20s. now, as for the cricket, at old trafford, it is looking like not particularly warm monday to come, for the final day. that'll be a mixture of cloud, sunshine. just a slight chance of picking up a brief passing shower. now, as we go into monday evening, any of those showers that have formed, will tend to die away. they still will continue on and off through northern parts of scotland overnight, but for most of us it is going to be another dry, clear and chilly night going into tuesday morning. but again on tuesday, there will be a lot of sunshine to start the day. now, there's a chance of catching a shower again, more especially across parts of scotland, but the odd one may be found elsewhere in northern ireland and northern england.

and the cloud may well thicken in northern ireland to bring the chance of seeing some patchy rain, especially the further north and west you are, deeper on through the day. and temperatures, a few spots getting into the low 20s in some sunny spells, but most won't get that high. now, there is a weather system coming on tuesday night and into wednesday. these weather fronts move in. they will bring a spell of rain into parts of northern ireland and scotland. and perhaps on wednesday, also reaching for time for some of us into northern england. now for thursday and friday, the chance of a shower, and then into next weekend, looks like low pressure will come back. temperatures will come down a few degrees. the breeze picks up. and we will see a spell of rain spreading east. bye— bye.

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