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the headlines. britain's prime minister boris johnson has admitted the government didn't understand coronavirus at the start of the pandemic. in an exclusive interview with the bbc, he said he could have handled things differently. huge crowds have gathered in istanbul as the historic hagia sophia site opened for friday prayers for the first time in more than 80 years. it follows the decision by turkish authorities to convert the building back into a mosque. beijing has orderd the closure of the us consulate in the city of chengdu. china said the move was in response to the us closing its consulate in houston, texas. a court in hong kong has found a couple not guilty of rioting during last year's pro—democracy protests. they had faced up to seven years in prison. the verdict could set a precedent for hundreds of others charged with similar offences.
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hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are the author and journalist, yasmin alibhai—brown and the deputy political editor of the sunday times, caroline wheeler. tomorrow's front pages starting with. and we will begin with this article on the front page. of the times, or the guardian rather talking about women being sacrificial lambs in covid childcare crisis. why don't we jump covid childcare crisis. why don't we jump straight into that with our guests. this is something that makes for some quite sober reading, doesn't it caroline looking at the
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situation that women have been put in with regards to this covid—19 pandemic?” think particularly in relation to childcare working mothers in particular found it difficult to juggle particular found it difficult to juggle all the stresses of having children at home with home—schooling and going out to work so it is hardly surprising that a vast number of women have responded to a survey saying they had to cut their hours working six rupees —— working women, 60%... including difficulties with contracts, being for road ahead of their male colleagues sometimes with childcare cited is the reason for that and i know i have not had it as ha rd that and i know i have not had it as hard as many people in the country but i have my own three little kids and are all primary school age and i have had them at home with me for much of lockdown and trying to balance doing a full—time job and looking after them keeping three
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meals a day and the house going has been an enormous challenge and i think it will continue to be a challenge even as we head toward september once schools go back because even then we are not sure whether it is going to be full—time, whether it is going to be full—time, whether it is going to be full—time, whether it is going to be staggered starts, early dropouts and pick—ups and so the pressure particularly on women who traditionally to take on more of those childcare rose is going to be extremely pronounced. that is a lot that you have had to be doing. but yasmin a lot of other women are in the same situation aren't they? yes and hats off to caroline because the job she has done has been remarkable but the thing is we are so low already when you look at all of the un and other international comparisons that come up international comparisons that come up from year to year in terms of women's rights, women's physicians,
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women's rights, women's physicians, women's roles and equality, gender equality, we are not doing well already and i think caroline is right that not only has the pandemic which we are still in the middle of, it is not over, really taking its toll on women but then when the jobs are going and more of them will go, it will be women that they would drop again before anyone else. this eventually will have an effect on their pensions. you know, these things are lifelong determinations against females and how can become ourselves a developed country if this carries on? caroline some other countries did see this coming and their situations and they made plans to mitigate some of the challenges that women are now facing. what is it that could've been done in order to make sure that women aren't in the situation? i think even before
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the situation? i think even before the pandemic hit there has been a sort of a long—term problem in this country about managing childcare. the costs of childcare have been —— having raised three little people myself and nursery school all at the same time, if someone had said to you when you had children grow childcare costs are often going to be more than your mortgage, it's a very sobering thought and i think what has been a failure in this country is that really the issue of childcare has not been looked at effectively across the board and terms of really empowering women to go out to work by making childcare a more affordable and more available. and yes government has offered some free childcare to two and three—year—old several years ago under the coalition but really much more needs to be done and rethinking windows schools were closed back in march when we went into lockdown, there really was not much about how
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anyone but particular women were going to be able to manage childcare and jobs at the same time and i think it's one of those things really around lockdown which we didn't think about those inevitable consequences of some of the decisions that were made, namely closing schools which was done very quickly and we were given very little notice that would happen, very little time to prepare and also people that were doing wraparound childcare duty, nannies and all those types of people were told to stay at home and could not come into the home and help look after the children and that was a growing problem particularly for the ski worse is, those nurses and those teachers that had to continue going to work were having to do so with every little childcare and in some cases they could send their children to school but even then that was for a very limited number of hours a day. we should be looking at this issue much more broadly now without
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the kind of covid dimension but particularly at the moment where we are facing a pandemic and the possible second wave i think the government should really be looking at this issue very carefully. all those facts as you mention seem to justify that headline that women are sacrificial lambs in this crisis. let's look now at the daily mail. it is talking about calvary labels that we could soon see on alcohol and our meals out. yasmin how important is this? i think it's really important. i think the levels of obesity have in my lifetime, the last 20 years, you can see it everywhere. i had put ona you can see it everywhere. i had put on a lot of weight so i'm not even looking down on people, it's so easily done. five years ago i suddenly realised like any middle—class person i'd been overdoing it and had to really work
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ha rd overdoing it and had to really work hard to stop getting any bigger and actually losing weight. so this is a nationwide classwide problem. and i think it is good that we are going to have some better labelling that the government... but we need much more than that. i would like to see local planning tackled better. near me there are two small high streets and every other shop or maybe five shops in a row are cheap food joints. and i see the kids coming out of school and they can buy chicken for £1.50, chicken and chips. and we have to deal with the availability of cheap bad food as much as anything else. i know those people on low incomes are particularly vulnerable and we should all care about how everybody is faring actually. caroline what
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yasmin seems to be describing is actually that this problem has so many factors attached to it. just how much of a difference will these ca lva ry how much of a difference will these calvary la bels how much of a difference will these calvary labels make and are they in fa ct a calvary labels make and are they in fact a political issue as well? yeah, ithink fact a political issue as well? yeah, i think yasmin is absolutely right, any initiative we take to combat obesity in this country particularly now where we know obesity can have impacts in your survival rates and terms of the covid virus should be applauded and welcome. the issue around alcohol is particularly interesting because people don't realise how much calories are in drinks and alcoholic beverages. i think there was a study recently suggesting up to 10% of our daily calorie intake now is in liquid form. i agree with her also about the availability of fast food.
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asa mum about the availability of fast food. as a mum we like to go out as much as anyfamily as a mum we like to go out as much as any family but very often if you go and order a kids mealfor example, the choices that you are given are very limited, often everything comes with chips, it is off friday, it is burgers, sausages, fried fish, all of those things. and evenif fried fish, all of those things. and even if they were to publish the labels that tell me how many calories are in there there is nothing else on that menu that my children are likely to eat. i think there are bigger issues to be addressed here. but you're right, everything comes down to politics in the end. and we know borisjohnson has been very averse to the idea of introducing for example new taxes which have been quite effective in terms of the sugary drinks market. because he doesn't want to be seen asa because he doesn't want to be seen as a sort of nanny state bullying us into doing things, he is very much a libertarian and things we should be able to make our own choices but i think what you will see in response
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to the obesity strategy, and this is just one part of it that we are expecting on monday, is he was he some people say it goes too far, that it some people say it goes too far, thatitis some people say it goes too far, that it is going to hurt parts of the industry that are struggling in the industry that are struggling in the wake of the pandemic and others, perhaps nutritional lists in the health food industry who say it doesn't go far enough and that we are facing a really serious crisis in public health and more needs to be done. and this is a crisis caroline that borisjohnson seems to have taken quite personally in recent times. that's right, there we re recent times. that's right, there were reports when boris came out of hospital and of course he suffered very badly the effects of the covid virus and was in fact admitted to intensive care and we are told that when he came out of hospital, he'd had a sort of conversion and realise how important it was that people we re how important it was that people were encouraged to lose weight and a p pa re ntly were encouraged to lose weight and apparently was saying it's really important that we are not fatty set
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50 because it really does have a significant impact on your ability to survive the coronavirus if you are unlucky and unfortunate enough to contracted. let's look at the eye. 80% of home workers are keen to avoid a return to the office. how many of us are surprised by this? yasmin. i am surprised. many of us are surprised by this? yasmin. iam surprised. ialways work from home. maybe that's why you are surprised! i am quite happy being on my own, i am not a very sociable person in my working life, i... but my husband works in an office and at the beginning he was delighted but i think he is now missing it, the company, the dynamics. it is also very exhausting if you're having a video link meeting. it was fun to begin with. i am surprised that so many people feel, i think women should go back
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to work certainly so that the men can doa to work certainly so that the men can do a little bit more than they have been doing over this period. it isa have been doing over this period. it is a surprise to me that survey. caroline does the surprise you? personally it does. i went back to work in the office as soon as i possibly could. i think yasmin is absolutely right that you really miss the kind of dynamic, the social nature of it and the fact you can talk to people and bounce ideas off them. it's obviously much more easy to ta ke them. it's obviously much more easy to take directions if you're not having to pick up a phone and ask somebody to do something all the time and you canjust somebody to do something all the time and you can just talk to them while they are sitting next to you. but i think we have seen a pattern here and certainly in lockdown, it was evident quite early on that people really quite like being at home and have to be taken to it. i hope there will be a happy medium to a certain extent i think people will eventually go back to work and enjoy sort of re—engaging with their work
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collea g u es sort of re—engaging with their work colleagues and that sort of social element of going to work but equally i think it has been a sort of wake—up call to some of us just about enjoying that sort of time at home, family life, not always coming home, family life, not always coming home late from work every night not practising the children as much. it is been wonderful to spend so much time with the children and absolutely hellish at the same time doing home—schooling so i can see both sides of the coin but personally, i think being back in the office has been in normatively beneficial from my sort of mental health after a couple of weeks at being pretty much at home and to the isolation of other human beings. but even a happy medium as you call it if we recall —— return to that would still cause quite significant change in our town centres, and our offices with fewer people having to go out from lunches. we have heard the high street wanting people to go back to
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work because that supports an entire economic system, doesn't it? yet it does and you can see that when i go to london bridge where our headquarters are based, it is coming back to life now a little bit but certainly in those first few weeks it was completely deserted and even now when you go out for lunch or pick upa now when you go out for lunch or pick up a sandwich or whatever, you can see that the footfall is significantly down. when i say sort of happy medium i mean much more in terms of perhaps us not working the long hours that we did outside of the office —— inside the office and perhaps making more time for family at home but i personally totally agree. i think the economy is going to really struggle if we don't go back to work and i was quite surprised. recently i went to a trip up surprised. recently i went to a trip up to scotland and travelled for the first time by air and they were very few people in that airport lounge, there were very few shops open. this was after lockdown has notionally
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ended and of course that is going to have dramatic effects on our economy if you don't see people moving around in the same ways they have been doing. and of course now that we all have to wear masks there are steps being taken to keep us safe as far as that social distancing. of course it will be better if a vaccine is found that will give people much more confidence to return to work and return to the normal ways of life. but i think it is important that we think about the economy at this moment in time because we are going to of course see many, many people lose their jobs. let's turn our attention to another story in the guardian. their reporting on that interview from our political editor lauren kuhn spurred with boris johnson saying "we did not understand the virus". yes and what you make of that? it is first coming back to my relationship with boris johnson i would like to say. the
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tone was different, the tone was better than some of this bombastic stuff he's been coming out with about "we're going to beat this thing, in12 weeks about "we're going to beat this thing, in 12 weeks at all be over, i'm shaking hands" all this rubbish that he came up with and actually the scientists were already advising him and his cronies against that kind of behaviour. the tone was interesting but then he did say i think in that same interview that he doesn't think we need a public inquiry. we absolutely need a public inquiry. we absolutely need a public inquiry. i don't trust anything mr johnson says about this crisis. we need to have very dispassionate people looking at what happened. and another paper said he has his eye on judicial review that he thinks judges have been very naughty by not doing what he wanted. i think we need an independent inquiry which we can trust so there were good things
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and what he said but not very other good things. caroline. iwould and what he said but not very other good things. caroline. i would agree with pretty much everything yasmin said there, he had a more conciliatory tone, we have seen time and time again our missteps to a certain extent talking about world —class certain extent talking about world—class track and trace suggesting that we have done very well in our ability to combat the virus when actually we have seen one of the highest death rates certainly if the continent if not the world. soi if the continent if not the world. so i think this admission that we have not gotten things right and that there are questions that need to be answered about that in particular, they talk to him about the timing of the lockdown, his critics have often suggestion that we went into walked down to a to prevent a great number of deaths that has occurred. but i think as he is almost inevitable that there will bea is almost inevitable that there will be a public inquiry into this pandemic because as the prime minister said this evening there are
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questions that are going to need to be answered and i don't think he managed to answer them within this interview. let's look at the star next and this is talking about the wearing of masks, something that many countries have gone back and forth on. now the advice is that it's your duty to wear a mask. yasmin? and i'm really pleased with the star for doing this! really effective for front page saying it is your duty and it is our duty because it is not about the mass won't protect us, it will protect other people and if other people wear masks, we are protected. it's oui’ wear masks, we are protected. it's our social duty! during the war they wore masks when there were bombs flying and there was gas in the air. what this whole sort of vendetta, this cry of liberty against masks is all about i can't get my head around
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that. there does need to be a strong message and they gave it. i'm very pleased they did. caroline i was just going to ask, sometimes it's not necessarily liberty, maybe it is confusion. the rules are not always entirely clear, are they?” confusion. the rules are not always entirely clear, are they? i think that's right and it is another great front page from the star who have had a great virus, that word kitchener poster saying it is your duty to do this but there has been a degree of confusion and initiate the beginning of the pandemic suggestions from the government and some of the advice is there that actually wearing masks didn't do very much to protect you or your fellow human beings and of course that advice that has come from the scientific advisers has become more forceful and more powerful as the pandemic has gone on and i was very interested. i was up in scotland at
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the weekend and nicola sturgeon has had a very different approach to masks all along. there has been much more in both and to get people to wear masks and it was something that really struck me when i was walking around edinburgh on monday afternoon was that everybody was wearing masks and the police were coming up to you if you weren't wearing a mask for example in the train station and asking you to put them on something i've not seen much of when i have gone on the tube going into work in the morning. i think there has been mixed messages and i think some of the evolved nations particularly scott would have been much better at sending a consistent message out to people in that country. —— particularly scotland. it shows in the figures the numbers in the three other nations have really fallen and oui’s other nations have really fallen and ours are still for the month ofjuly i think over 1,000? even higher than that? it shows it's an english problem, this now. and we've got to
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get a handle on it. all right, well let's and by showing you this cartoon, it is not often you see parrots in the news. caroline what this about? this winter for speaker lindsay hoyle who i was fortunate enough, i've known herfor a long time, but! enough, i've known herfor a long time, but i interviewed him he became speaker of the house of commons and he talked me at length about the menagerie of animals that he lives with with his wife which includes his boris who he has been giving rather entertain passages on the west coast main line which uses to travel up and down his constituency and he takes his parent with him and occasionally passengers are treated to the sound of boris the parents shouting at the top of his lungs "order! order! lock the doors!" and that has been rather startling people but he also has a dog, a tortoise, a cat, and all have names that have come from famous
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politicians. the tortoise is called maggie. he has a cat gordon, he is an absolute treasure i think for doing that. he sometimes brings them up doing that. he sometimes brings them up by doing that. he sometimes brings them up by carpet very often they go on the train. that's wonderful. as you say, a treasure. it's been wonderful to have you both on, thank you so much yasmin and caroline. that's it for the papers this hour. thank you caroline wheeler and yasmin alibhai brown. goodnight. hello, i'm gavin ramjaun and this is your latest sports news. after a shaky start to the third and final test, england's batsmen recovered well after being put in and they will resume tomorrow on 258—4, weather permitting. here's our sports correspondent, andy swiss. look who's back. after missing the last match
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for breaching england's biosecure bubble, a recall forjofra archer. earlier in the week, archer revealed he had received racist abuse on social media, and once again the players showed they were united, taking a knee in support of black lives matter. with the series hinging on this game, england needed to start well. commentator: must be, yes! oh, dear. a duck for dom sibley. the west indies clearly meant business. including their new cult hero, 6'6" 22—stone rahkeem cornwall. minimal run—up but maximum spin. commentator: beauty! england's problems soon deepened. cornwall was soon posing problems but it was his fielders that next did the damage. captainjoe root run out, his team in trouble. no worries, here's ben stokes, england's superhero. well, not this time. a beauty from roach, and stokes gone for 20.
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soon followed by rory burns. just watch this. commentator: 0h, what a grab that is! a brilliant catch by cornwall while wearing two hats as well. the west indies had well and truly seized the initiative. butjust when they needed him, ollie pope led a rousing fight back. a swashbuckling half—century whilejos buttler also had some fun. cornwall the bowler, and probably where this was heading had the advertising hoardings not got in the way. between them, they turned the tide. what had been a punishing day for england has now become a promising one. andy swiss, bbc news. so, good day for england's middle order pair and at the close, ollie pope spoke to isa guha. i got pretty high expectations of myself if i'm being honest, and when i don't score runs, i get pretty down on myself to be honest. so, i was pretty keen to get a few today and i've been feeling good throughout the course of this bubble period. but it's nice to get a few under my belt. the new premier league and english football league seasons
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will start on the 12th of september although the start date for teams still in european competition this season is under discussion. it remains possible they'll be given a delayed start given they could be playing well into august. liverpool of course will be defending champions and their captain jordan henderson has been named footballer of the year by the football writers association. he lifted the club's first premier league trophy on wednesday and he skippered his team to the champions league, european super cup, and club world cup in the last 11! months. absolutely deserved. yes, there are other players who played an exceptional season 100%, but if you want to have again a guy who really fought his way through to the point where he is now and became, yeah, just absolutely deserved. one of the best players in the league and this year, everybody acknowledged that and i'm really happy about that and it's so well—deserved and i'm really happy for him and really proud of him because he's
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an exceptional person. and imola will stage a grand prix for the first time in 11! years after formula 1 bosses abandoned hopes of holding the us, mexican, and brazilian races this year because of soaring coronavirus cases in the americas. imola was the home of the san marino grand prix from 1981—2006 with michael schumacher winning there seven times. it's expected the race will be held on the 1st of november. there is also a return for the germany's nurburgring, and an f1 day for portugal's portimao track. and that is all from us for now, we will see you a bit later on. hello again. saturday is looking a cloudy day for me and it will be wet as wealth for several areas of ring to watch out for. we have rain with a set the moment moving eastwards across
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scotland, wales and england with murky conditions for northern ireland, low fog, fog patches, it will feel quite humid as we start saturday, temperatures up to 17 or 18 degrees for some and is to start the date there would be extensive cloud and murk around the hills, i have put the jets your cloud and murk around the hills, i have put thejets your mind because that the afternoon we will see this trough and jet stream create this line of showers moving across the republican northern ireland and as that same trough it's a weather front in english channel, it will cause ranger ripple back westwards. it will be wet for time for an east anglia but it could also affect central southern in the end, we can sure and you're sure but there is some question marksjust sure and you're sure but there is some question marks just yet. sure and you're sure but there is some question marksjust yet. —— lincolnshire and yorkshire.
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this is bbc news — im nancy kacungira with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. britain's prime minister boris johnson tells the bbc that his government didn't understand coronavirus at the start of the pandemic — and could have handled things differently. when you look back at this crisis, everybody can see that this was something that was new, that we didn't understand in the way that we would've liked in the first few weeks and months. huge crowds attend friday prayers at hagia sophia in istanbul — for the first time in more than eighty years. but many outside turkey are critical. iraq creates a city in the desert to bury its coronavirus dead. we report on the scale
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