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in the government haste lockdown. in the government has to rely on the majority of people complain. because they feel it's the right thing to do not because there are scared of a fine or they are scared the police are going to come knocking. and actually if you look at the lockdown, people were pretty compliant with it. they were obviously instances where people we re obviously instances where people were breaking the laws of the rules and that in general, people were compliant and that came from a place of wanting to do the right thing. not being scared of fines. do you agree with that sebastian? quoting the immigration society saying we do virtually no enforcement. if there is no enforcement to we know who's breaking and who's not? it does raise big questions about what is going on with quarantine. i think when this came in the government suggested it would be quite light touch and it would be based on the goodwill of people to do this and observe it. in the police were
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already so stretch as is the nhs. trying to deal with all the different elements of this crisis will top you can understand why quarantine becomes quite hard on that list. if people are travelling more this summer and if they're going to places that do have a greater spread of covid—i910 and observing that quarantine becomes much more difficult. this is where the app was supposed to come in. it was meant to be that it would take resources away from people into it automatically put up we don't have a nap, we have no idea when it's coming. which means the human side of it, so far it doesn't seem like it's being taken seriously or they don't have the resources do it. shall we go on to the guardian? if people aren't going to be travelling may be a steak asian but staying at home or catching up with all the chores around the house. but trying to find somewhere to stay around the uk. the guardian is that the fear of the second wave in europe. it does make some pretty frightening reading, doesn't a? it does. it's not just
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reading, doesn't a? it does. it's notjust spain where we are seeing issues, france is getting worried about an uptick in infections among young people. german public health officials are worried, the belgian prime minister has actually warned that they could be a national lockdown. if things continue to get worse there. i think itjust shows that the second wave, it's not the sort of imaginary threat on the horizon stop it is something quite real. in other european countries are having a problem with it. it just comes back to, the best way of managing an uptick in infection is really being able to test, track and trace. and figure out where a tiny little outbreaks are happening and to stop them in their tracks. and there are real questions about whether the uk and other european countries, it's notable, countries like germany for example seem to be doing much better on testing their house that we didn't even have quite that level of infrastructure around
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testing. it is worrying. and it really puts a lot of infinite or fs apps on the government developing that infrastructure to stop local outbreaks. i'm not sure that we've got it yet. no. in the problem is there's still so much uncertainty. we don't know for example, when the vaccine is made, we don't know quite how effective that will be. we don't have any people have got antibodies in the system at the moment. we don't know what the herd immunity is. there are so many questions still that we don't know the answers to despite teams, fleets of scientists all around the world trying to get there. fundamentally it's because there's so much we just don't know about coronavirus itself. which is something that's been with us which is something that's been with us less than a year. and scientists are still trying to understand the effects on the body, how long it lasts. you mentioned antibodies there, there has been some reports that the antibodies only lasts from fourth months. which would pose a whole new set of public health challenges for that the reason
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everyone is so keen on trying to get coronavirus vaccine is because it's the only real way out of this. were trying to make do with social diets really not sayings and borders by fundamentally to get back to life as we know it before coronavirus it does require that vaccine. there's always going to be a big emphasis on that and trying to get us through why it is possible. realistically it feels like it's not going to be to the middle of next year when that comes to fruition in a big way. as you said, there could be picked side effects. we don't know how effective it's going to be. but we have to hope that it is going to find as a way out. because if it isn't all the options are much worse. it speaks trust a resident when you look at excitement. last week or ten days i'm losing track of time, about the initial trials of the vaccine. and then you've got news like this with belgium for example, warning of a com plete belgium for example, warning of a complete lockdown if they can't get a lid on things now as well. we shouldn't lose hope around the
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vaccine but there is so much that needs to happen. it's notjust what needs to happen. it's notjust what needs to happen. it's notjust what needs to pass all the trials and text and be approved effective and safe. there's all this logistics around how do you manage and ask for this vaccine. how do you distribute it fairly around the world? i think it's fairly noticeable, there was a lag between the small box vaccine and the eradication. there was a polio vaccine but we still haven't eradicated polio. there's a lot to it. but i think as well as a vaccine there is also a lot of emphasis on treatment. and being able to ameliorate the worst impact of covid—i9. that would make us all a bit safer as well. there has been some really good news about potential treatments in recent weeks. we have to be really, really vigilant but we can hope that if there is a second wave in the autumn fewer people will be dying of this disease because it we will know a bit more about what better treatments look like. and maybe fewer people will die one hopes.
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because they are slimmer. the telegraph has a big photograph was written to the telegraph giving bossi borrow something to chew on. saying it's your own fault if you're fat and a libertarian. and basically he used to criticise jamie oliver as well for trying to introduce special fat—free or less fat meals in schools. but the prime minister it now admitting he is fat and trying to get the country, diet to victory. sebastian? something like that. the david hartley thing says we could all give david hartley thing says we could allgive up drinking david hartley thing says we could all give up drinking and eating fatty foods, smoking and all that has a stop and might live to 100 for but what kind of life would it be? says mr hockney focu is quite an ironic argument. using the pages of the telegraph over many, many years asa the telegraph over many, many years as a calmness that he rallied against jamie oliver, all these things that he is now producing
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himself as project minister. it's ironic but all prime minister, with this attitude we are not getting a push around by public health advice, medical advice, working to stand up to the individual and inevitably they all given to scientific consensus. they all given to scientific consensus. this obesity plan has been kicking around white house for a better part of the decade. no one said anything with it because they don't want to take the political capital of taking that libertarian argument on the chin. it'sjust ironic that mrjohnson who is doing it. who rallied against himself and got his own newspaper one of the most famous art of saying is it's really a good idea? buddies got the impetus to do it. looks like he's really going to push this forward... why is he got the impetus to do a? they're not going whole hog are they because my there's no shark attack on food. that was one option which might have changed things quite radically. was the health minister speaking earlier on saying that that wasn't actually on the agenda at the
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moment. no, i think if wasn't actually on the agenda at the moment. no, ithink if you wasn't actually on the agenda at the moment. no, i think if you look at the range of measures yes there is the range of measures yes there is the sort of watershed ofjunk food before at 9pm junk food band. which isa before at 9pm junk food band. which is a good thing. and will make a bit ofa is a good thing. and will make a bit of a difference. up primarily of the government seem to focus on nudging, moving junk food away from supermarket checkout tales and putting calorie information on restau ra nt putting calorie information on restaurant menus. when actually we know the evidence shows that from very successful efforts to reduce the patient‘s salt intake you need tougher measures. you need measures and the sugar tax is one of those. another is compulsory reformulation. so that food manufacturers gradually have to reduce levels of fat and salt and sugar. because this idea of customer responsibility, it's not really quite right when we live in a world where food manufacturers are in an arms race to make food tasty, to pack it with a cheap stuff. which
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is fat, salt and sugar that makes it taste good. and our pallets have changed over time to accommodate that. this idea that we can just go out and start eating healthy and it's all up to us just really isn't right. i think it will feel as outdated in 20 years time as the argument that well, we don't need to ta ke argument that well, we don't need to take measures against tobacco because its peoples personal responsibility. those arguments feel very outdated today. sebastian, do you want to know how many calories you're eating when you go to a resta u ra nt ? you're eating when you go to a restaurant? i'm very happy to have them. ithink restaurant? i'm very happy to have them. i think it's on many re sta u ra nt them. i think it's on many restaurant menus already. i think it's a basic success of nudging behavior. sonia is right there are instances where you do have to have more forceful measures then just push in the right direction. i think banning advertising before the watershed and putting calorie counts oi'i watershed and putting calorie counts on beer bottles, wine bottles, many things is a good thing to do. i think is people that option if they wa nt think is people that option if they want to have the less healthy things then fine, they can go ahead, they
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made that decision themselves. but without having that they are i think everybody should be as well—informed as possible about what they're eating and drinking. i think it will lead to people making better decisions in the end. a lot of restau ra nt decisions in the end. a lot of restaurant hers say there's a lot of soft on it. yes but there are lots of things we need to know. we have regulations some employees might say health and safety regulations are bit of a soft. it might be a fast but it's really important. expensive i suppose that's what they mean. it's going to cost him more money. again health and safety regulation is expensive as well. these are questions about the type of society we wa nt questions about the type of society we want to live in. i think it's right that we acknowledge that they may impose costs on the restaurant business for example. but what is the cost of not doing that? that's the cost of not doing that? that's the thing we need to look at. i think we should leave it there. david hockney is still smoking, isn't he? and adequate age. you are going to be back in about 35
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minutes' time to have another look at the papers. certain but not for an out sonia and sebastian thank you very much. that is our first look at the papers. hello there. it's been pretty unsettled today. we've had low pressure nearby. it's brought fairly strong winds, a lot of cloud and some pretty heavy and persistent rain, with some heavy showers thrown in as well. this week, we're starting off cool, rather unsettled thanks to low pressure, but by mid—week and towards the end of the week, high pressure dominates and it'll turn also much warmer, dry and sunnier, particularly across the south, where we could see the first 30 celsius plus of the month. but it will be a short warm spell. now, this is the area of low pressure which has brought all the unsettled weather through today. it is slowly pushing out into the north sea, but what that is doing is allowing a run of pretty cool
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north—westerly winds to develop, and they will be quite strong and blustery through the overnight period, feeding in lots of showers to northern and western areas. stays pretty wet, in fact, for the northern isles. but because of the breeze, and also the cloud and the showers, it should not be too cold at night. temperatures in double figures for most. into tuesday, it remains quite blustery. a better day than what we had through monday, with increasing amounts of sunshine across southern and eastern areas. there will be plenty of showers in northern and western areas. some of these may travel in towards the strong and blustery north—west wind. and it remains quite wet and windy across the northern isles. again, temperatures pretty disappointing with that north—westerly wind around. the mid—to—high teens for most of us. low pressure continues to push off in towards scandinavia on wednesday. more crucially, an area of high pressure starts to build changer of our weather from wednesday onwards. so it'll stay quite blustery in the far north east, close to that low. low pressure pushing into the west will bring more cloud from northern ireland, to wales, maybe some spots of rain here.
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but across the south, the south—east corner especially, we start to see increasing amounts of sunshine as that high pressure builds in, so the temperatures will be a little bit higher. again, the high teens further north. as we move out of wednesday into thursday, our area of high pressure establishes itself over the near continent. this area will bring more clouds, showers, maybe some of them heavy across northern ireland in towards scotland, but as we move out of thursday into friday, we really start to see this warm air spread northwards right across the country, so we will have a few showers and cloud across northern and western areas on thursday. it starts to hot up across the south and then it's warmer for all of us on friday. temperatures into the low 30s celsius across the south.
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