hello i'm ros atkins, welcome to outside source the bosses of amazon, facebook, apple and google are being grilled by congress over claims they're stifling competition. we'll bring you the latest. america's top infectious diseases expert warns the politicisation of the coronavirus is coming in the way of an effective response. there is a considerable degree of political divisiveness to a level that everyone admits, you don't need me to make that declaration.

and in europe young people could be contributing to the resurgence of coronavirus, the new warning from the world health organization. and a new law for turkey giving the government sweeping new powers over social media platforms — we'll look into the motives. we will be talking to bbc turkish. welcome. now — this hasn't happened before. four of the most powerful people in technology are giving evidence to the us congress. they are — jeff bezos of amazon, tim cook of apple, mark zuckerberg of facebook and sundar pichai of google. and the question at the heart of all this is whether these companies are simply too big. there's no dispute that they are big. together these four companies represent $5 trillion within the us economy. the new york times describes the hearing as a "bizarre spectacle: four men who run companies worth nearly $5 trillion combined — and who include two of the world's richest individuals — primed to argue that their businesses are really not that powerful after all." the chairman of the committee doesn't see it that way. simply put, they have too much power.

this power staves off new forms of competition, creativity, and innovation. how these tech bosses stand up to scrutiny could be a defining moment in theirfuture relationship with government. they have never all been quizzed together. let's start with their opening statements which were released ahead of the hearing: jeff bezos writes... mark zuckerberg said... tim cook wrote... sundar pichai from alphabet, google‘s parent company, told the committee...

that was released to the head of time. —— ahead of time. now to the hearing. it was done via video link and sundar pichai was questioned first — his company is dealing with multiple antitrust allegations over google‘s online search dominance. it controls about 90% of the search market and is accused of stealing content. here's one exchange between sundar pichar and the chairman. the evidence that we collected shows that google pursued a multipronged attack. first, google begin to steal other webpages‘ content. for example in 2010, google stole restaurant reviews from yelp to bootstrap its own rival local search business. mr pichar, do you know how google responded when yelp asked you to stop stealing their reviews? well, i'll tell you. our investigation shows that google‘s response was to threaten to delist yelp entirely. in other words, the choice google gave yelp was, "let us steal your content or effectively disappear from the web." mr pichar, isn't that anti—competitive?

congressman, when i run the company, i'm really focused on giving users what they want, we conduct ourselves to the highest standard. happy to engage and understand the specifics and answer your questions. next to jeff bezos — he's the world's richest man. and he has never testified before either house before. amazon is accused of anti—competitive behaviour by promoting its own products above third—party sellers. the company controls about 38% of the e—retail market. here's whatjeff bezos has said. there are not 1.7 million small and medium—size businesses selling on amazon. the trust customers put in us every amazon. the trust customers put in us every day has allowed amazon to create more jobs us every day has allowed amazon to create morejobs in the united states over the past decade than any other company. hundreds of thousands ofjobs other company. hundreds of thousands of jobs across 42 states. if you're wondering why we are not seeing mr bates is a little bigger, that was just the feed we were giving by congress. —— mr bezos.

next mark zuckerberg. rivals accuse facebook of being a monopoly power in the world of social networking. i think with hindsight it looks obvious that instagram would have reached a scala has today but at the time it was far from obvious. this was the response. facebook so instagram at the time as a top contender... they purchase it. this is exact to the type of antitrust legislation that was created to prevent. tim cook next, he's the ceo of apple. it's been accused of unfairly using its clout over its app store to block rivals and charge high commissions. here's what he's said. we have fierce competition at the developers side and the customer side which is essentially, it's so competitive, i would describe it as a street fight for market share in the smartphone business.

this is all about power and influence — and of course — it's political. let's hear from republican jim jordan. i'lljust cut to the chase — bg tech is out to get conservatives. that's not a suspicion, that's not a hunch — that's a fact. july 20th, 2020, google removes the home pages of breitbart and the daily caller. just last night, we learned that google has censored breitbart so much, traffic has declined 99%. barbara how do you assess these exchanges so far? i think using the democrats on the committee have come armed with a lot of information about what they believe, how they believe these companies are violating antitrust laws and how they are really stifling competition and they have come with a lot of information because they have been doing an investigation for about a year about this. what struck me about all these changes was the one with mr zuckerberg because it sort of encapsulated the situation. you had

him having to fend his acquisition of instagram, he was asked if he brought it up rather than compete with it and that is how you saw him neutralised at, he had used those words apparently and did not deny that but said it was a bad acquisition that has really made instagram into the company that it is. the regulatory powers of the time said it was not illegal, so you saw the two kinds of approaches between the congresspeople and the tech titans. and you also saw one other thing there which was more questions about the misinformation and hate speech and how he deals with that on his platform and i think many congresspeople are worried about that but this is a hearing about competition and in orderfor them to move on it hearing about competition and in order for them to move on it they need to get the detail about how these companies are harming consumers and rifles and so on and if they don't focus on that, it might not get the points that they

need. —— and arrivals. might not get the points that they need. -- and arrivals. can congress do anything about the concerns were hearing primarily from the democrats oi’ hearing primarily from the democrats or is this about us hearing these tech leaders put under pressure on these positions was mac yes congress can do something, they can create new antitrust laws. and that is what this is about. this is the latest development in this year—long investigation they have been going through and the question is do the antitrust laws and anti—competition policies, are they good enough to deal with any overreach by these giant companies or do they have to draw up new was? there are some on the committee that believe they do have to draw up new laws. in terms of this hearing to have the four of these men together probably weakens their ability to actually get something hard and concrete that will help their case because there are different issues and complexities between the companies. but having said that, it is still a public spectacle and momentum is

pa rt public spectacle and momentum is part of this and with a public spectacle they might be able to get the momentum that will lead in the direction of greater regulation and as far as the text tightens themselves, their interest in participating in this is to argue strongly against regulation but whatever congress tries to do they wa nt to whatever congress tries to do they want to be part of that and shaping it so this is part of that. barbara thank you very much indeed. she was referencing misinformation about covid—19. let's bring you up—to—date on the fire is in the us. —— virus in the us. nearly 1300 people died of coronavirus in the united states on tuesday. that's the biggest daily total since may. and the overall death toll in america will be 150,000. america's top infectious diseases expert, anthony fauci, has been a centralfigure in fighting covid—19 in the us, and he's been speaking to the bbc‘s katty kay. you have set before, doctor fauci that you during the course of your career have spent decades preparing

for this possibility of a pandemic like covid—19. when you were preparing for something like this, did you ever imagine that the politics would make it difficult to effectively manage this kind of situation, that the politics would get so mixed up in this? no i did not. obviously when you're doing with things that involve politicians, there is always a bit of political manoeuvring. we have seen that in almost every outbreak but it had been minor and didn't impact what we were doing with regard to response. but i think it's i'io regard to response. but i think it's no secret from looking at the situation in the united states that there is a considerable degree of political divisiveness to a level that everyone admits. you don't need me to make that declaration. i think anyone, even with those who have more experience and more ability to observe and make judgement on that,

that this is a very unusual situation of political divisiveness in this country. president trump does not appear to see things the same way as dr fauci. this is what he had to say at a white house briefing yesterday. he has got a very good approval rating and i like that, it is good because remember he is working for this administration, he is working with us, john. we could have gotten other people, we could have gotten somebody else, it didn't have to be dr fauci. he is working for our administration and for the most part we have done pre—much what he and others, doctor birx, who are terrific, recommended. and he's got this high approval rating so why don't i have a high approval rating with respect and the administration with respect and the administration with respect and the administration with respect to the virus? meeting approval ratings aside, let's talk to katty kay is live in dc. he would make a good dipper met, didn't he —— when he?

he would make a good dipper met, didn't he -- when he? i think he is ina good... didn't he -- when he? i think he is in a good... we focus on the masks, hydroxychloroquine, vaccines and that kind of thing but it is worth asking him about the politics because he has been put in this political situation which is making it harderfor him to do hisjob. i asked him about the president seeming to endorsejust asked him about the president seeming to endorse just as recently as yesterday hydroxychloroquine, i asked about the present retreating somebody that said you don't need to wear masks. doctor fauci told me he thought that wasn't helpful and at the end of the interview i asked him how he is doing, he has been going at this for five months nonstop 15, 60, 17 hour days. he at this for five months nonstop 15, 60,17 hour days. he said it is stressful because of all these issues to do with politics. he is trying to do hisjob, the medical side of things and manage the politics both of very important because he needs to be as effective as possible. during the course of my

half—hour with him, what i heard was quite a lot of frustration with people being lax about the rules but also with the split was situation he is dealing with. aside from the political drama, he says on the full his administration is following dr fauci's guidance? is that fair, do you think dr fauci would categorise it in the same way? i think he would make the distinction between the white house and the individual states and what he told me is that several states have jumped the gun. that the medical experts at the white house on the white house task force came up with very clear guidelines on how america should reopen after lock and several states he said he was likely to name them and that several states ignore those guidelines and opened up too early which is why we are in the position we are in. it is interesting i asked him at the beginning of the interview if we had been talking backin interview if we had been talking back in april and you had described

to me the situation in america at the end ofjuly, would it look like this? and he said no, this is a lot worse than he thought it was going to be. you are referencing something president trump said yesterday. let's show everybody watching this. president trump has continued to promote the anti—malaria drug, hydroxychloroquine. despite the world health organization and the us national institutes of health having found no evidence that the drug is useful for covid—19 patients. it can also have serious side—effects if misused. this is what president trump told reporters. many doctors think it's extremely good and some people don't, some people i think it has very political. i happen to believe in it. i took it for a 14 day period. and i'm here, right? i'm here. i happen to think it works in the early stages, in front line medical people believe that too, some, many,

and so we will take a look at it. the president say many front line staff, i do think that is a fair representation from anything we have heard from doctors around the world. president trump has also defended his retweet of a video featuring a doctor backing the use of the drug. the same doctor in the past has talked about using dna from aliens to make medicines. all of which led to an exchange for the ages. the woman you said was a great doctor in that video that you retweeted last night said that masks don't work and there's a cure for covid—19, both of which experts say is not true. she's also made videos saying that doctors make medicine using dna from aliens and that they are trying to create a vaccine to make you immune from becoming religious... maybe it's not but i can tell you this. she was on air along with many other doctors that were big fans of hydroxychloroquine, and i thought she was very impressive in the sense that — from where she came, i don't know which country she comes from. but she said that she's had

tremendous success with hundreds of different patients, and i thought her voice was an important voice but i know nothing about her. she says masks don't work. last week... 0k, thank you very much everybody. thank you. and with that the president was gone and here was what auntie fauci thought. when the president as he did again yesterday retweets things from people who say you don't need to wear a mask, how unhelpful is that from a medical perspective? well, you know, i mean... this issue of tweaking and retreating is something i've never understood or gotten involved in but i can tell you, you have to say it is not helpful if people get signals about not wearing masks when we are trying to get people to universally wear masks. ——

tweeting and re—tweeting. people to universally wear masks. —— tweeting and re-tweeting. so, you would ask the president not to do that? that is not the way it works. i think my feeling about what we should do with masks is very, very clearly understood by everyone including those in the white house. what about hydroxychloroquine? and i ask you about this because it has come back into the news because the president yesterday evening in the white house stood there and said he believes in it and that it is safe and again seemed to be touting this drug. is the president right? again, it is not productive or helpful for me to be making judges on right or wrong but what i can say is what i have said all along that the overwhelming body of data from trials that were well—run,

randomised placebo—controlled trials, indicate that hydroxychloroquine is not effective in treating coronavirus disease or covid—19. katty kayjoins me again. i think when i'm talking to you i had to step back here and think what are the state of affairs we have it where you are doing an interview with the leading scientists uncover 19 and yet to ask about the president referencing doctors who referenced previously aliens, this is an unusual place we have gotten to. we are in the dna from aliens phase of this presidency which is pretty reared, right? she has also suggested that gynaecological problems can come from having dreams about having six with demons. i mean, it's bizarre. —— having sex with dimas was at the president did not like it because he left immediately as he was being asked about her. i pushed doctor fauci on this and he is not very comfortable talking about the politics of this and the differences he has with the president. but the reason i wanted

to push him on this is because dr faucihas to push him on this is because dr fauci has a 65% approval rating in this country, very few people have that. there is so much misinformation about this disease out there on the internet. the president says one thing, some of the doctors say another thing. here you have somebody who has a high degree of trust from the american public and to some extent having his voice clarifying the issues around masks, the issues around hydroxychloroquine and i think is useful when the president might be saying something else and i wanted to ask dr fauci in the sense don't you have the duty to speak out because the american public does trust you at a time when they are getting a lot of misinformation and there is not a lot of trusts and other institutions? he doesn't necessarily want to talk about it but he does want to make his position clear. his position is that masks are helpful, that hydroxychloroquine for the treatment of covid—19 is not helpful and has not been proven to be helpful, and

he was very categorical that he has not misled the american public on either of those issues. thanks for joining us on outside source, fascinating interview, appreciate you coming on to talk to us about her. we switch to europe. in europe young people could be contributing to the resurgence of coronavirus here, the new warning from the world health organization. a railway bridge has collapsed after a freight train caught fire and derailed in tempe, arizona. up to ten cars from the train left the track just west of the city of phoenix. april wernecke is from cbs. we just heard from fire officials down there and they said there have been no major injuries but they have had one person treated for smoke inhilation. it's really pretty incredible that we haven't seen more injuries because this is a train that caught fire going on a bridge and then to rail and the bridge collapsed

right over a very popular park in ourarea. it's over tempe town lake and tempe beach park and tempe is a suburb here of phoenix and that is a large park and grassy area where on a morning like this we have a lot of people out there biking and walking around. we spoke with one woman this morning who said she had just finished going under that bridge on her morning walk when it collapsed immediately afterward. she said the sound was horrifying and she described the scene out there as looking like a scene out of hell. this is outside source live from the bbc newsroom. the bosses of amazon, facebook, apple and google are being grilled by congress over claims they're stifling competition. there's been a fresh warning from the world health organization — that young people, could be driving up the spikes in coronavirus cases across europe. here's nick beake. across europe, the authorities are on the lookout, and they're

worried by what they see. covid cases are on the rise — amid celebrations, not just here in barcelona but in many places, that some social restrictions have been lifted. experts warn a second wave is not here yet, but people do need to be much better at keeping their distance. the trouble is learning to navigate this new world we're in. it's not back to normal, it's back to finding the new normal — ways to live with this virus to prevent it from rising, prevent the transmission from rising. on the belgian coast, they've long had to shelter from a blustery wind, but in 2020, protection also comes in the form of a face mask, the summer accessory everyone is wearing. and there are now new restrictions on how many people you can meet here outside of your household. in fact, here in brussels, the belgian government is now

warning there may have to be a second complete lockdown. but before that, if cases continue to rise, the british government may put belgium in the same category as spain, and that would mean anyone coming from here to the uk has to quarantine when they arrive. latest maps show the current hotspots in europe, seen in dark red. notably, north—east spain, luxembourg and the south—eastern balkan region. the challenge is to keep outbreaks isolated. although we call it a pandemic, and even within this country it's a series of lots of smaller epidemics all coalescing together. people are living in areas where there's virtually no disease. that doesn't mean to say it won't come back at some time, and you won't know that it's come back until it's started making people ill. the british government says it will take action quickly in response to new spikes in cases across europe. all governments on the continent

are facing crucial decisions, as they try to protect their people, their visitors, and their economies, decisions which can be a matter of life and death. nick beake, bbc news, brussels. two big stories are developing in turkey. first in ankara, parliament has passed a new law giving the government sweeping new powers over social media platforms. firms with more than a million users in turkey must set up local offices — and must comply with requests to remove content that the government deems offensive. if they don't comply, they face fines of up to $700,000, which probably won't hurt too much — and have their data speeds cut by 95%, which might. this turkish opposition mp had a similarwarning. she wrote... "if this law passes, women's murders will not be heard, violations of rights will not be heard and different ideas will not be heard." ece goksedef of bbc turkish joins me from istanbul. help me understand what kind of

firms will be affected by this. the law says it is all social media platforms, youtube, and to grant —— and second, twitter, facebook, which is mostly primary sources of news in turkey that they can reach the content that they cannot reach from mainstream media and that is why it also chris concerned about the freedom of expression in turkey. -- created concern. what kind of reaction has been to this new law. some journalists are publishing their work on social media and they do live shows on youtube. also the opposition politicians are using social media as a platform in turkey since the mainstream media in turkey is mostly controlled by businesses close to the government. that's why there is a huge reaction on social media and people say that this is the future of what is freedom of

expression in turkey. thank you for that update, that's mike coley from bbc turkish ending this addition of outside source. bye—bye. —— my colleague. it was a little bit warmer out there today. but over the next two days, the heat will really build. temperatures will rise and, by friday, it could be the hottest day of the year so far. temperatures will be slower to rise in scotland and northern ireland, perhaps because we've got these weathers front coming in from the atlantic, bringing more cloud and some outbreaks of rain. and through the night, most of the rain will be affecting northern ireland. there will still be some for a while in wales, and a few spots will head up into the northwest of england and southwestern parts of scotland. either side of that, some clearer skies developing. and generally, temperatures 10—12 celsius tonight, but probably a bit colder across northern parts of mainland scotland with maybe some early sunshine on thursday. very quickly, though, we'll see that rain turning heavier

in northern ireland. it will cheer up through the day as the wind picks up and blows that rain away, pushing it further north into scotland. at the same time, we'll see more sunshine coming up from the south across england and wales, and it's here that temperatures will get particularly high — 27—28 celsius through the midlands and the southeast of england, warmer than today for northern ireland. now it was only yesterday that we had those cool, northwesterly winds. in order for the temperatures to rise so rapidly in the next few days, the wind direction has to change. and we're tapping into a south—easterly breeze bringing in warmth from continental europe ahead of these weather fronts, trying to push in from the atlantic. so whilst it's getting much warmer across much of the country, northern ireland may miss out on the high temperatures because we've got this showery rain coming in from the west. ahead of it, more of a breeze picking up, blowing in lots of sunshine — strong sunshine, as well — lifting temperatures in scotland into the mid—20s, widely 29—30 celsius in england and wales, and 34 in the southeast of england.

this will be the peak of the heat on friday and, with that heat, there could be a few showers developing across the midlands and eastern england ahead of the rain that's coming in from the atlantic to western areas. all that wet weather pushes its way eastwards overnight and, as we head into the weekend, it's all change again. we return those winds to the west or southwest atlantic air, and that means it will turn cooler and fresher. those temperatures certainly will be dropping away. there'll be some sunshine and a few showers, with most of the showers in the northwest of the uk.

hello i'm ros atkins, welcome to outside source the bosses of amazon, facebook, apple and google are being grilled by congress over claims they're stifling competition. we'll bring you the latest. america's top infectious diseases expert warns the politicisation of the coronavirus is coming in the way of an effective response. it comes after president trump again defended the malaria drug to ward off covid—19. the world health organisation is saying that young people could be driving up the spikes across cases in europe. the resurgence has raised the prospect of board is being closed again after weeks after lockdown. in the us department of federal agents a federal agents will be removed from portland but dozens will be sent to three more cities as pa rt will be sent to three more cities as part of president trumps operation legend