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she doesn't know how she will vote in the next general election. hi emily 7 what 5 your question to ed davey and layla moran. my my question for both of you, is there anything that you can do to improve thejob there anything that you can do to improve the job market and how do you plan to help people get back into work? layla moran, let's start with you. emily, i am sorry to hear about your situation, we are hearing about your situation, we are hearing about a lot of people who have been made redundant during this really difficult coronavirus crisis and i wa nt difficult coronavirus crisis and i want the liberal democrats to be a party that is on your side, understands your concerns. i think getting you and others back into work has to be a priority for this government but for us as a party to hold them to account. what we know is there's lots of people who have been left off any of the scheme is the government has put into place, they have not been taking care of you and i think in this economic recovery, you and i think in this economic recovery , we have you and i think in this economic recovery, we have to put the green agenda at its heart, that's notjust the right thing to do for the
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planet, it's also the right thing to do for the economy, the smith school in oxford has done studies on this. it creates jobs, it is creating new opportunities for people like yourself. we also have to have a programme of mass retraining so if you need to change career, if you need to find that next thing that you perhaps are always thinking was the right thing for you, you are well supported. ed davey? emily, i am sorry to hear about your situation, i don't know what your company was but i know the government schemes have left out a lot of the sectors and not really given support to the self—employed and small businesses that are so essential if we are going to keep our economy going and improve it. i published a plan, i call it my green economic recovery plan because as we get out of this covid i9 recession, there is a real opportunity to tackle the other crisis, the climate emergency crisis. so, if you have a really bold plan, i've talked about
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£150 billion investment over the next three years, that could create a lot ofjobs for the future economy. but not now? people need jobs now. a lot of these jobs i propose would come very soon. how soon? the next three, six months, there's lots of homes need insulating, a lot of greenhouse gas emissions that come from leaky properties. how many jobs without create, we will have hundreds of thousands of people out of work? directly creating tens of thousands ofjobs in towns, villages and cities across the country. other people would have to wait years for your green revolution there is also another part about rewilding, helping nature recover and that creates jobs very soon also. emily, i know you said once you stop crying after losing yourjob you started applying jobs. what's your situation right now? at the moment, i'm working two part time jobs, right now? at the moment, i'm working two part timejobs, i couldn't just work part time,
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working two part timejobs, i couldn'tjust work part time, it wasn't financially viable so i am fortu nate wasn't financially viable so i am fortunate enough to be working still but it's not in the sector i planned to work in and it's certainly not the best situation in the world. ok. what do you make of what you've just heard from both candidates in terms of how they would help people back into work? you've both got plans in place, it's just, as into work? you've both got plans in place, it'sjust, as you said, whether those jobs are available right now. whether people are going to be the right fit for those rules. i don't know what those rules actually entail. and about retraining and things, people may already have a degree, like myself, how do we carry on with our training, like, how do we move forward ? training, like, how do we move forward? apart from insulating homes what kind of jobs forward? apart from insulating homes what kind ofjobs are created in a so—called green economy, green revolution? insulating homes is one, making sure tree—planting is the other but a large part of it as research and innovation. we note the
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university sector right now is going through a really difficult time, there is a potential some of them will go under because particularly, siphoning off of students we have seen particularly to universities that have had the cap lifted, there isa that have had the cap lifted, there is a big problem in the university sector now but to the specific point emily made, we have a policy of lifelong learning which would be money given directly to emily, to decide how to spend, depending on what she wanted to move into. what we cannot go back to is that your levels of unemployment and that is one of the outcomes are possible government mismanagement of this and we need to have a benefits system that works for now. universal credit is not working. if emily found herself in the situation she had to apply, there is still a five—week wait in place and with severaljobs on the go it is complicated. i suggested a universal basic income isa suggested a universal basic income is a better way to tackle this. you've both suggested that. emily,
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you may be interested, both candidates suggesting universal basic income, you both want to give eve ryo ne basic income, you both want to give everyone in the country are sum of how much? at first, i suggested we start slow compass. somewhere in the order of £80 a week. what about you? a little less, to be honest. the modelling i've seen starts at 40—60. the real question is would everyone get this, with everyone get everyone would get it but money would be clawed back from the highest earners. most people are already getting it, i would not get it, iget already getting it, i would not get it, i get it through my tax allowa nce, it, i get it through my tax allowance, if you benefit through an allowa nce allowance, if you benefit through an allowance you would not get extra, it's really the people who benefit most are unpaid carers, they are the biggest category, they get nothing at the moment unless they have 35 hours of care and get the carers allowa nce. hours of care and get the carers allowance. the caring agenda is a massive agenda for me, as you saw in your clip before hand, massive agenda for me, as you saw in your clip beforehand, caring has beena
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your clip beforehand, caring has been a big part of my life and what i've been saying in the selection, we need to be a more caring country, especially post—coronavirus. i like the universal basic income, it recognises unpaid care so many, particularly women, delivered. recognises unpaid care so many, particularly women, deliveredlj wa nt particularly women, delivered.” wa nt to particularly women, delivered.” want to check, you would give your 80 quid a week tojk rowling, sir alan sugar, raheem sterling, sir andy murray? in reality they would end up paying lots more of back because i want a system that encourages those with the broadest shoulders to carry the tax burden. whenever we have put out a manifesto in the past we had a progressive taxation system, those who are in the most would pay more and there's a real case right now for protecting those. are children who will go to bed hungry tonight, we have seen it, coronavirus exposes the inequalities existent in society and exit worse. there is precariousjobs, people coming in and out ofjobs, we cannot have anyone falling through the cracks right now and if they do,
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it's possible we won't get them back, we had to put something like this in place, it's an emergency measure at first and we decide to put something after coronavirus, we wa nt put something after coronavirus, we want to keep. what do you think, emily, of the idea of a universal basic income? it sounds like a good idea but whether it's feasible, for all the money come from? fun is to give everyone that money each week? where is your cut—off? you say higher earners will end up paying it backis higher earners will end up paying it back is that people above 20% tax cut? ed davey, explain in layman terms how you would pay for a universal basic income. jk rowling would not get it, they get it through the tax allowance! the vast majority of people would not see any difference, the people who would benefit most are people who have insecure ... how benefit most are people who have insecure how would you pay for it? we set up a sovereign wealth fund, what we have done in this recession, which i think is right, we lend huge amounts of money to
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business to keep them going and a lot of businesses during recovery will not be able to pay that back or will not be able to pay that back or will struggle to pay it back and be a millstone round the neck of recovery a millstone round the neck of re cove ry so a millstone round the neck of recovery so what i said, rather than forcing them to pay back debt, give them the option of turning it into shares which we as a country, we don't. and we put it into a fund and those shares yield dividends which pay for my proposals. how would you pay for my proposals. how would you pay for my proposals. how would you pay for it, briefly? ordinary people wa nt pay for it, briefly? ordinary people want to know that this is something they are going to get and they aren't going to be the ones disproportionately affected by it in taxation. we are seeing tech companies making massive profits out of coronavirus stop if we returned the amount that we tax those businesses to what it was before, then that would create a fair amount of money but this is a time when it's right, the economy is going down, at a time when this is happening governments should be investing and my argument is if we
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don't ensure people don't fall through the cracks, then we are going to have problems that are going to have problems that are going to have problems that are going to cost us for more than this money in the medium and long term. emily, thank you and i wish you all the best. thank you for your questions. trish on twitter says the problem with the lib dems if they have no definable identity, the last leader was full of bluster and wild ambition. oliver says i wish the lib dems have a huge revival but i cannot see this happening. on the identity point, it's critical, one of the issues i've been making is we have to answer the question, what do we stand for? i've been talking about a we stand for? i've been talking abouta green we stand for? i've been talking about a green economy, there are a society, more caring country, alice's behind that, we have to answer that question if we are going to win again. you couldn't beat jo swinson in the lib dems leadership contest this time last year so what makes you think you can beat layla moran? first of all, 10 swinson and i had moran? first of all, 10 swinson and ihada moran? first of all, 10 swinson and i had a very friendly campaign and
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so i had a very friendly campaign and so layla moran and i have had now, we work as a team, but the economic and political situation has changed. we have massive challenges, coronavirus. why does that mean you can beat layla moran this time? they are not the same. what i am saying, you asked me a question, what i bring to the job, the economy is the numberone bring to the job, the economy is the number one now, the biggest and deepest recession we've had for 300 years, i deepest recession we've had for 300 years, lam deepest recession we've had for 300 years, i am an economist by training, put myself through my school for a post in economics and i think very hard about how we recover it so people like emily who lost their job it so people like emily who lost theirjob can it so people like emily who lost their job can look it so people like emily who lost theirjob can look forward to a brighter future. i'm concerned about young people and the climate emergency, i've been tailoring my economic plans so it meets their aspirations and hopes. since u been acting leader in the past seven months you've gone from 12% vote share in the december general election to 6% now, in fact sub lib dems insiders call you apparently,
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sir6%, dems insiders call you apparently, sir 6%, that is not good? i've been the acting co—leader after a disastrous general election during a pandemic. you've lost have your support? i remember, iworked with paddy ashdown as leader, 11 months into his leadership we got 5.9% in the first nationwide election and he rebuilt us, he built the foundations. i was by his side at that time, i saw what he did. paddy ashdown went from there to there, you've gone from there to there.” think that's true but what i will say is under paddy he built the foundations with local government basis and i'm fortunate, local government base under vince cable and underjo government base under vince cable and under jo swinson government base under vince cable and underjo swinson was built and that will give us a really good springboard for really good results in the future. this is difficult, it's challenging that the question is do you want someone with the experience i had to bring to this job, to rebuild the party and i think that is really important. you
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are the next paddy ashdown and it sounds like you said.” are the next paddy ashdown and it sounds like you said. i wouldn't go that far! i will do my best to emulate him. layla moran, the candidate of experience, you have very little experience compared to ed. i have little experience in parliament but look at the track record have achieved in the three yea rs record have achieved in the three years i've been here, during the cross— party years i've been here, during the cross—party group on coronavirus, leading the inquiry over the summer period. what have you achieved since u been an mp? in 2017i overturned a massive conservative majority two win the seat in the first place when others didn't. we did that by amassing a group of people from all sides of the political spectrum to do itand sides of the political spectrum to do it and where we are now as liberal democrats, as you say, we are at 6%, we have to turn this around. the bulk of my professional experience as a maths and physics teacher is outside parliament, at a time when people do not trust politicians. we need to win back trust of the electorate, show we have learned from the mistakes of
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the past and start rebuilding again. this is a from scratch situation. on schools, michael contacted us saying we had both candidates have sent children back to school now? you've just mentioned you're a teacher. ed davey, i know you've got a disabled son, john, who is home educated but you have a little girl who went back to primary school before the summer. are you convinced by the reassu ra nces are you convinced by the reassurances from the chief medical officer yes, they have to go back to school. but i am not convinced by the reassurances they are giving right now. i am very worried because while they are giving reassurances on some parts of the science, there are other things we still don't know about how this is going to affect the very young, there is a thing called long covid 19, people suffering long lasting effects of covid i9, 19, people suffering long lasting effects of covid 19, we know people get this with mild and moderate symptoms at first and it carries on for months, we need to put more research into that but the second
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thing they haven't done, kirsty williams, the lib dems secretary for education in wales has done this, is consult head teachers about what happens at this phase. they haven't done that, i don't have faith gavin williamson is on top of this, he needs to go, i've been calling for this, put someone in who knows what they are doing for the sake of our children who should be going back to school in my view. but i think a lot of people, not just school in my view. but i think a lot of people, notjust me, are yet to be convinced they have a grip.” think children should go back to school, i will be sending my own daughter back and i value the reassurances of daughter back and i value the reassurances of the chief medical officers in the four nations but my concern is with the government, i am not sure they are giving the school is the support they need. particularly on guidance. i've talked to head teachers who say what happens if one of our pupils gets a temperature and get symptoms during the day? what are the implications? and i don't think the government has given the support that head teachers need and support to schools, particularly extra funding, to enable them to create the spaces,
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create and ensure every single school, every single nursery is covid 19 secure. you've mentioned you've called for gavin williamson to resign over the exams controversy. apparently he overdid an boris johnson controversy. apparently he overdid an borisjohnson rejected it which i find extraordinary. you mentioned ki rsty find extraordinary. you mentioned kirsty williams who is the education ministry in wales, a liberal democrat. you didn't call for her resignation and she too had to apologise to students for the mess 7 apologise to students for the mess he apologise to students for the mess up? the difference between england and wales as they have a different system, she put flaws in place, they we re system, she put flaws in place, they were using this algorithm but she said no one would get less than they would have got with their as—level, we change that in england, we didn't have the same checks and balances in the system. —— she put floors in place. sheep follow joyce to appear sleep for the mess. she should stay in post? even though there is a mess and wes? what she has done
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differently, it's not the same, the same level of risk, is not true, i have to say this. all i ever wanted from this government was openness and transparency about their thinking. kirsty set out her thinking, she drove a consensus, work with head teachers, that is not what gavin williamson did and the reason why i am calling for him to go is notjust on the exam fiasco. it is also, remember when they were trying to reopen schools first time. what he did to politicise that. saying teachers did not really want this to happen when in fact what was happening is people were scared, com pletely happening is people were scared, completely different kettle of fish. murali gunarajah, who's 51, hasn't had any work during lockdown. he voted lib dem in the last election but isn't sure if he'd vote for them again, if he votes at all. hello and what is your question. we are leaving the eu at the end of this year. what would be your new eu policy after we leave? did you get
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brexit wrong? no. we are proudly pro—european and will remain a pro—european and will remain a pro—european party, we lost the argument in the last general election, clearly, borisjohnson has the majority to force it through but will remaina the majority to force it through but will remain a very pro—european party. and i will make the case, even when britain leaves the eu, we should cooperate with our european friends on trade. cooperate with them on climate change, cooperate with them on things like the pandemic. as an internationalist and a liberal democrat i believe working with other countries is in our interest and that is what i would say to you, i think britain is stronger if we work with other countries. i am a proud european. i believe we did the right thing by trying to stop brexit but it did not work. the thing we need to focus on right now is to stop and no deal brexit, we saw this week that michel barnier says negotiations have gone backwards, the implications for a no
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deal on jobs, backwards, the implications for a no deal onjobs, and backwards, the implications for a no deal on jobs, and the backwards, the implications for a no deal onjobs, and the economy is massive, we have to start there. i would love to see in ten years time, people, if the argument is made, if we can show them by how being closer to the european union is the right thing to do, if that public opinion shifts, the liberal democrats will be first in line to rejoin position andl be first in line to rejoin position and i would love to see that but i don't think that is the right thing to dojust yet, fight don't think that is the right thing to do just yet, fight the battles don't think that is the right thing to dojust yet, fight the battles in front of us now, ensuring the best possible deal for this country and then, moving on after that. are you a rejoin party, do you want to rejoin, ed davey? we have to deal with the situation as it is, at the moment, rejoin is not where the british people are at, we have to make the case european cooperation andl make the case european cooperation and i think people see us over the next few years, cooperating to mutual benefit, people's views may change. in your heart you want to rejoin. i am a pro-european. say it! we thought brexit, its really care, i don't need to say, we oppose
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brexit and we will continue to be at the heart of the european union.” would love for this country to rejoin the european union at some point but i recognise now is not the time and we have to win the hearts and minds of people first before we get that position. what joining the euro? we are not anywhere close to there. no! if you wanted to rejoin we would have to sign up to that? we are talking crazy hypotheticals right now but the first thing we need to do is make the case what we wa nt need to do is make the case what we want to maintain for example british eu standards on the first things like —— on things like animal welfare , like —— on things like animal welfare, environmental standards, we see a government cosying up to donald trump at the expense of farmers in this country so let's talk about those things first, those are more important tojobs and lives right now. thank you for your question. lets introduce tara murray who's 23. she's a carer living in bristol and was a lib dem candidate in the last election. she has been a lib dem member
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for five—and—a—half years. what is your question?” what is your question? i want to ask how are you going to put confidence in your bame supporters following the slow and quite vague response following the black lives matter protests ? following the black lives matter protests? right from the very beginning when we saw the black lives matter movement, the first thing i felt was a shame, shame on our society, on our party for not being representative enough and people quite rightly level a does how can you talk about these inequalities and look at you as a party. we have to change our party in orderto party. we have to change our party in order to change the country. what we have to ensure as there is equality of opportunity in jobs, i've called for boards for example, of ftse 350 companies to ensure there are minimum numbers of bame communities are you embarrassed you don't have any black mps?
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absolutely, i was embarrassed, as the first mp a palestinian heritage i...let the first mp a palestinian heritage i... let me the first mp a palestinian heritage i let me bring in sir ed davey. why should target vote for you in this context? i think your question is absolutely critical. it would be one of my top priority to address the black lives matter protests and the black lives matter protests and theissues the black lives matter protests and the issues it raises in our country. but also the failure of our party at all levels to have black candidates elected. and one of the things i wa nt elected. and one of the things i want to do is repeat things in my constituency which is diverse but has a large korean population, muslim population, which are ratty, i have been working with many ethnic groups. i've been working with groups, gaining theirtrust, encouraging them to join groups, gaining theirtrust,
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encouraging them tojoin our party, stand for the local council, we have eight bame councillors elected now, large proportion we do not have a large black community but i have reached out to the communities that we do have and what i want the party to do is reach out to the black community across the country and i hope you will help me. tara, how do you respond to those answers?” guess, it's all good and well saying this. we are supposed to be a party of diversity. right now, i don't feel like i am in a position to be able to stand as a candidate and support the party when the party do not support me. sorry, what about positive discrimination, when we come to the next election, could you say there has to be a black candidate in each short list? what i
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said isa candidate in each short list? what i said is a rooney rule, a quota who are at least on the short list, that is allowed in the equality act but longer term, have to campaign to change the equality act so if we had all black short list for example that would be allowed, currently it is not allowed and we need to campaign for it and i am absolutely adamant what you're saying people not being supported by the party, it isa not being supported by the party, it is a culture shift we need to achieve. this party loves to talk the talk but we so often do not walk the talk but we so often do not walk the walk, that is notjust on this matter, that is in so many different things. we had to change as a party if we are going to adequately represent the country and it starts at home. thank you very much, i appreciate your question. we have not got long left so i want to commit big questions, but i am going to ask you to be concise. layla moran, standing to be the leader of one of the main political parties means your life will be scrutinised. you chose to spoke about a number of months ago when you slapped your ex—boyfriend when you felt
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threatened. tell us concisely what happened. what i said at the time andi happened. what i said at the time and i said it consistently throughout this leadership election, i spoke about this because i want to be open and transparent about my plans. what happened ? be open and transparent about my plans. what happened? we got into a situation where i felt very, very under threat and i was acting defensively and what happened after that, yes, iwas defensively and what happened after that, yes, i was arrested, all the charges were dropped and i have moved on and so has my former partner. why did you feel the need to introduce it to the public domain? people were asking questions about it in the same with any aspect of my life. people look at politicians and think why don't you a nswer politicians and think why don't you answer the question. i want people to see me for who i am but what that doesin to see me for who i am but what that does in return is it builds trust and that fundamentally is what we now need to do as a party, build trust with people. ed davey, who served in the coalition government for five years, 2010—2015, served in the coalition government forfive years, 2010—2015, he defended austerity by claiming without the lib dems it would have been worse, you've mentioned your
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sonjohn who is disabled. at the time you were in government people with disabilities lost £28 billion in support. you voted for the so—called bedroom tax, voted in favour of housing benefit penalties for council house tenants who were deemed to have excess bedrooms, you voted to raise tuition fees to £9,000. are you proud of voting for those things when you look back? £9,000. are you proud of voting for those things when you look back7m was a very tough time for the country and the economy. you are standing by those votes? we had some tough decisions to make. all governments make mistakes. we made some mistakes. your mistakes. one of the things i am pleased the party has now done, in our manifesto at the last election, we said we would reverse a number of the thing is, for example the bedroom tax but i would also like to argue we did stop the tories making £12 billion of welfare cuts, making a forward for disabled people and vulnerable people. we introduced things like free school meals, we took millions
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of low— paid people out free school meals, we took millions of low—paid people out of free school meals, we took millions of low— paid people out of tax, free school meals, we took millions of low—paid people out of tax, we really tried to make sure the tories agenda which was an agenda of cuts on the poorest was actually offset by liberal democrat agenda fairness. right, that's it. the time when swiftly for me, presumably somebody was having fun! keep us very much, i really appreciate your time. good luck to you both. the winner will be announced on thursday. good luck and thank you your questions. hello again! once again, we are in for some unseasonably strong winds. the first batch will be tonight and also tomorrow. what we have today is also tomorrow. what we have today is a mixture of sunshine and showers. some of the showers will be heavy and potentially thundery, especially in southern counties. on the satellite picture you see a bit of
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cloud around the uk producing showers. this is a developing area of low pressure in the atlantic and this is what is going to bring us the strong winds and heavy rain later on. we have showers pushing from the west to the east, some of those heavy and thundery in the south, possibly south wales. showers across eastern england, eastern scotland, the west of northern ireland, in between, a lot of dry weather and sunshine, gentle breezes, highs of 12 in the north, 21 in the south. this evening, still lots of dry weather, qc already this advancing rain, green and yellow telling us of heavy bursts accompanied by statements, gusting 40-45 accompanied by statements, gusting 40—115 miles an hour. picking this up tomorrow, in the centre of the low pressure it will not be windy but look at these isobars, widely looking at costs in england and wales a5, 50 miles an hour and later, the same across eastern scotland. the rain advancing across
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scotland, leaving behind drier conditions and showers but those wind gusts you can see. we see more rain across northern ireland, north wales, northern england through the afternoon. temperatures disappointing for the time of year across the board, 12 in aberdeen, 21 as we push into london. wednesday, the low pressure moves away to the near continent, before it does, you see the squeeze in the isobars close to the north sea coast. for those counties along the east of the country we are looking at a windy start but the wind easing through the day and many of us will have a dry day, variable amounts of plant and some sunshine, highs 12—21. heading into thursday we have a band of rain moving from northern ireland to scotland, turning showery in this next area of low pressure brings in further heavy rain and some gusty winds. temperatures 12—20.
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