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good morning, welcome to bbc news, i'm victoria derbyshire, here are your headlines. calls on the government to review its policy on face coverings in england's schools as the scottish government says they will be compulsory in corridors and communal areas from monday. the world health organisation says it's for countries to decide. children between 12 and 5 years old can wear masks where appropriate and where asked to, but it is very important to ensure they know how to use them. should england follow scotland's lead 7 what's your view as a student, teacher, mum or dad? let teacher, mum or dad? me know, you can send me e—mail let me know, you can send me an e—mail or visit me on twitter or instagram. police and demonstrators clash for a second night in the american state of wisconsin,
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after officers shot a black man in the back. a commitment i make to everyone, to the family, the officer and everyone else is justice will be served and people will be held responsible for their actions and we will know the truth. donald trump tells republican supporters the democrats are using the pandemic to steal the presidential election as his party formally confirms him as their candidate. we hearfrom the mum of ellie gould — murdered by her ex boyfriend — as reports suggest minimum sentences for young offenders found guilty of murder are being considered by the government. james anderson's quest for a 600th test wicket looks set to resume today after bad weather stopped play yesterday.
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in the last half hour it's been confirmed that pupils and staff in scotland's secondary schools will have to wear masks in corridors and communal areas from next monday. so, should pupils over the age of 12 wear them in schools in england too? head teachers are calling for clarity as students prepare to go back next week. this report from andy moore. in some schools in scotland masks are already being worn, but the government's most recent advice to schools in england says the use of face coverings is not recommended, based on current evidence. that view is supported by a senior adviser on the government's scientific committee. for teenagers we do not have the evidence that this is useful. we have to look at the way teenagers transmit this virus. the evidence that they transmit in schools is not very high. there are interesting issues
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about the difference between in—school and out—of—school. i get that actually people are worried about young people and teenagers and their behaviour, but very little evidence for the use of masks in schools. but that official view is coming under pressure, especially after the announcement by scotland's first minister, nicola sturgeon, that coverings were set to be used in secondary schools in corridors and shared areas. the ascl head teachers' union said the guidance in england was silent on what schools should do if staff or pupils wanted to wear a covering. the union is calling on the government to review its guidelines, bearing in mind the advice from the world health organization. what we are saying is that children between 12 and five years old can wear masks where appropriate and where they are asked to, but it is important to ensure they know how to use them and they know how to remove them, they know to wash their hands before they put them on and wash their hands when they take them off,
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and they need to be provided a bag that they can put them in so they can close the mask and put it carefully in the bag. i downing street spokesperson has ruled out any review on masks in schools. a department for education spokeswoman said coverings were not necessary because they were a range of other protective measures in place, including children staying in consistent groups. cleaning and hygiene measures, she added, would further reduce the risk of transmission. andy moore, bbc news. our political correspondent nick eardley is at westminster. because the government change its mind? i suppose it is possible. the uk government, which has control of this in england, at the moment does not want to make face coverings are mandatory like they will be made in scotla nd mandatory like they will be made in scotland on monday. the argument by the department for education is they have put plenty of mitigations in place. there will be social
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distancing between teachers, there will be consistent groups for pupils and for teachers as well. that is supposed to give some sort of protection. there is some pressure, though. the unions are saying the government needs to keep looking at this, particularly in the light of what has happened in scotland. they are pointing to the world health organization which is saying all children over 12 should be treated the same as adults when it comes to wearing face coverings. we have seen it before, where scotland introduced measures on face coverings like on public transport and in shops and england did the same a few weeks later. it is worth pointing out that scottish schools have been back for a couple of weeks, so they are slightly ahead when it comes to working out what is and is not working out what is and is not working in classrooms. for the moment ministers in london are sticking palm and saying they do not think there is a need for this, the
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evidence suggests it is not necessary , evidence suggests it is not necessary, but that may change. thank you, nick. as you heard in andy moore's report, the association of school and college leaders wants to know if masks can be used in schools in england if parents or teachers request them. geoff barton is the general secretary of that teachers' union. hello, mr barton. good morning. head teachers can allow pupils or their staff to wear masks if they say so, you do not have to wait for something from the government, do you? know, what i would say is the people i represent, 20,000 head teachers and deputies, know a lot about teaching and running schools and colleges and we do not know a lot about face mask, yet we have lots of pa rents lot about face mask, yet we have lots of parents asking us about this, quite rightly, because they are anxious. then we see what is happening in scotland and we hear from the who. the guidance from westminster did not say that young people did not need to wear a face mask, and i heard the schools
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minister say this on the bbc yesterday, is they should not wear them because it increases hygiene risks because they fiddle around with their masks all the time. pa rents with their masks all the time. parents will say i want my child to wear a face mask and staff will say that, so should they be saying it is purely a matter for you, that, so should they be saying it is purely a matterfor you, or that, so should they be saying it is purely a matter for you, or it we have a u—turn from the government and could we have that now so that we can plan for the beginning of time? i am sure you are across every word of the guidance and it says, public health england based on current evidence recommends the use ofa current evidence recommends the use of a face coverings in school. the evidence will be kept under review. they are not required because pupils and staff are mixing in consistent groups, in the classroom for example, and because misuse may inadvertently increase the risk of transmission and there may be negative effects on communication and adverse education. if the heads wa nt and adverse education. if the heads want their kids to wear masks in
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communal areas, they can just tell them to do that. yes, they could do that, but it would be useful for that, but it would be useful for that to be based on evidence. sorry to interrupt, we know what the evidence is. the evidence is when you are moving in communal areas you are mixing up potential bubbles, classes in year groups, and there might bea classes in year groups, and there might be a few high spirits along the corridor where the potential for droplets could pass between one kid and another. yes, that is the case, but a lot of parents will say why in scotla nd but a lot of parents will say why in scotland will young people be expected to behave in a certain way and in england they don't? i would like it not to be the case. having spent 30 years telling children to do up their ties and stack their share in, it would be nice not to do this. if the government is going to change its mind, we need to know that and we can reassure parents about the rules. you are right, if a young person says i want to wear a
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face mask, no one will put them in detention, but it would be nice to have consistency. you may not get consistency. yesterday the government said we are not changing this, so that is pretty clear. yes, we have had that kind of consistency, if that is what it is, from the government when they said no one was to wear a face mask anywhere. we have had that consistency when they followed the scottish example of exams. if there isa u—turn, scottish example of exams. if there is a u—turn, and there may be, and if there is not, let's have clarity about it, and it would be better to do that now so that parents understand what expectations are, and so do my members, who are getting ready to open schools next week. i am getting messages, and it is not many, they are in a minority, but i got a message from kate neville who said, i cannot send my child to school knowing it is not safe, i just cannot child to school knowing it is not safe, ijust cannot do it. after months of trying to avoid the virus
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iam not months of trying to avoid the virus i am not just months of trying to avoid the virus i am notjust going to walk right into it now. what would you say behalf of your members and head teachers to try and reassure kate neville. we have seen the evidence and we know this is about managing the risk for a child and a member of staff in school and it is low, we know that. it is about what happens around that, it is about how we travel to school, this is not about young people in school. you are right, i have had some pretty snarky m essa 9 es right, i have had some pretty snarky m essa g es to right, i have had some pretty snarky messages to me yesterday from pa rents messages to me yesterday from parents saying why are you encouraging them to go back? they need to go back to school and my union as a head teachers but are not union as a head teachers but are not union absolutely believes that. once we get into the rhythm of school pa rents we get into the rhythm of school parents will be reassured. but we need to take on final questions about what they need to wear and the sooner we do that, the sooner the reassurance and we will be able to bring as many young people into school next week. thank you very much. thank you very much.
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meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of btec students will start to receive their grades from today after the exam board pearson delayed their publication. results for the vocational qualifications were delayed to give the board more time to recalculate after a—level and gcses were based on centre assessed grades. nearly half a million results have been reassessed. schools in the south korean capital seoul and surrounding areas have been ordered to switch to online classes, as the authorities try to tackle an increase in coronavirus cases. the region is home to half the country's population of 52 million. south korea was widely praised for controlling the initial outbreak of covid—i9 with extensive testing and tracing, rather than imposing a strict lockdown. police in the american city of kenosha have fired tear gas to disperse protesters who defied a second overnight curfew. the us national guard has been deployed in response to violent demonstrations after the police repeatedly shot an unarmed black man, jacob blake, in the back. he's in a stable condition in hospital.
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the city mayor has called for a full investigation. what occurred last night is unacceptable. rioting and looting is not something that is acceptable to the community and therefore that also has consequences and people will have to be held accountable under a legal process, with due process, just like everyone else. our heart goes out to jacob bla ke's family. i cannot think of anything that is harder than whatjust occurred to them and how that impacts them and so the commitment that i make to everyone, to their family, to the officer and everyone else, is that justice will be served, people will be held responsible for their actions and we will know the truth. donald trump has warned his fellow republicans their opponents may use the coronavirus crisis to "steal"
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the election for president, due to take place in november. president trump made an hour—long, unscripted speech on the first night of the republican national convention our us correspondent peter bowes has more. we come together tonight to imagine a future... the republican national convention, starring donald trump and members of his family, showcasing all things trump. this is the week the president hopes to win over new supporters as he lags behind joe biden in the polls. less virtual and the democrats, but still mostly remote, less virtual than the democrats, but still mostly remote, the pared down convention featured a slew of ordinary americans who said the country was better off under donald trump. a health worker, a coffee shop owner and the father of a student killed in a school shooting. president trump made an unscheduled speech at the convention earlier in the day. he repeated his claim that the election could be rigged.
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they spied on my campaign, you know what they found? nothing. but this is big stuff, this is stealing millions of votes and it's going to be very hard. now, we are in courts all over the country and hopefully we have judges that are going to give it a fair call. because if they give it a fair call, we are going to win this election. the only way they can take this election away from us is if this is a rigged election. we are going to win this election. for his part, the president's older son framed the election as a stark choice between the law and order policies of his dad, and those ofjoe biden. it's almost like this election is shaping up to be church, work, in school, versus rioting, looting and vandalism. or, in the words of biden and the democrats, peaceful protesting. there was no applause, no cheering supporters in the hall, but the battle lines were clearly drawn. peter bowes, bbc news, los angeles. a court in new zealand has
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been hearing another day of testimony from witnesses, survivors and bereaved families from the christchurch shootings. brenton tarrant murdered 51 muslim worshippers when he attacked two mosques last year. he has pleaded guilty to the murders and is expected to be sentenced on thursday. let's hear some of the family statements. what ever gave the offender the right to take his life away from me for ever. this monster had no right to take my son from me. i have a life sentence now and will forever feel my loss. he stole that safety and security from him, just as he stole our nation's innocence and insulted the manaakitanga of our country. you are already dead to me. whatever punishment you are going to receive in this world, will never be enough. the court case involving harry maguire is due to continue today after the manchester united
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captain was involved in an alleged altercation with police on the greek island of mykonos. the england defender has pleaded not guilty to all charges and will not be present at the trial in syros. anthee carassava is in athens and gave us more details about the background into the case. it's important that it is happening, because up until yesterday there were concerns it would not because of an outbreak of covid—i9 that hit the city hall. it resulted in a partial lockdown of the facility that houses the chambers and that will try this case. but i have been speaking to the mayor of the island of syros and he says the trial will go ahead, all health protocols have been followed and this case will proceed. it remains to be seen what will happen. we don't know whether the lawyer will go in and possibly request another extension to have more time to prepare this case.
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but it is important because when this trial begins we will, for the first time, be hearing publicly the line of defence that mr maguire will be putting out through his lawyers to this local court. and don't forget, he faces several charges. he and two other britons who were arrested in this brawl that took place late thursday into early friday, and these charges include assault, verbal and physical. assaulting at least four police officers, causing bodily harm. disobedience, insult and one of the three also face attempted bribery charges. the headlines on bbc news... calls on the government to review its policy on face coverings in england's schools as scotland says they will become
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compulsory in corridors and communal areas from monday. the world health organisation says it's for countries to decide. police and demonstrators clash for a second night in the american state of wisconsin, after officers shot a black man in the back. donald trump tells republican supporters the democrats are using the coronavirus pandemic to steal the election as his party formally confirms him as their candidate. could the government change its mind on the wearing of masks in england's schools? in scottish secondaries, face coverings are going to be used in corridors and communal areas. that is from next monday. on the front of one newspaper this morning you can see students at a school in belfast wearing them in lessons. joining me now is former conservative mpjustine greening, who was education secretary between 2016 and 2018, and also single parentjennifer dunstan, who has started an online petition calling for a judicial review to demand parents be
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given the right to choose whether or not their children return to school, and corinne pearson, a mother of two who's founded a campaign group called boycott return to unsafe schools. jennifer, tell us about your situation with your little boy rear. good morning, pleased to meet you. my good morning, pleased to meet you. my little boy is nine years old and attends a special educational needs school in the city where i live. it isa school in the city where i live. it is a lovely school and i don't want him to lose his place, but i don't feel confident sending him back to school, given the pandemic is still around and there is no cure, vaccine or treatment for this awful coronavirus. and the worry is that you might potentially catch the virus from him? that is right. i am a lone parent and like a lot of people i have a hidden disability and it is called me, which means i
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live with the symptoms that a lot of people who are sadly getting along with covid are sadly living with. i cannot imagine what this virus will do to my body given how limited my mobility is daily as it is. it is a nightmare, it is keeping me up at night. i knowi nightmare, it is keeping me up at night. i know i am farfrom the only one. there are over 105,000 people who have now signed this position and they are giving it to the prime minister to think again and to withdraw the fines for parents this september. your fear is that if you caught it, your little boy would have to be taken into care because they would be no one else who could look after him? that is right. if i was covered 19 positive i would not be able to send my son to my elderly pa rents, be able to send my son to my elderly parents, would i? there would not be anybody else i could send him to. my mother's family are all down in
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cornwall. it is one of these things that when you are a parent or carer every pair of‘s worst nightmare is losing your child and when you are a pa rent losing your child and when you are a parent or carer it is in the forefront of your mind. this child needs me so much, what if something happens to me? now it is heightened during this pandemic and the government are not paying any due regard to families who have disabilities or concerns in general about the virus in schools and how it can affect the communities. you said, i will only take my son to school when the scientists agree it is safe. all the chief medical officers in england, scotland, northern ireland and wales and their deputies at the weekend said children will be harmed by not going back to school than if they catch coronavirus. it looks as if there is much less transmission from children to adults than adults to adults. those are the scientists. part of
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what you said, what they said, was based on science. but at the beginning of that statement from chris whitty, with all due respect, started with children are most likely. that is a supposition and it is not good enough. until there is a cure, treatment, a vaccine for this virus, the government need to withdraw the fines in law. they did it injune and july because of this pandemic. they said the prevalence of the virus has decreased and schools have put in so many control measures. let me bring in korean before i speak to the former education secretary. hello, tell us what your view is on this and if you agree withjennifer that what your view is on this and if you agree with jennifer that the fines should be withdrawn if parents do not want to send their kids back to school in england. i wholeheartedly agree withjennifer school in england. i wholeheartedly agree with jennifer and we school in england. i wholeheartedly agree withjennifer and we have got agree withjennifer and we have got a campaign group of over 8000
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parents, carers, teachers, school support staff, that also support whatjennifer is support staff, that also support what jennifer is saying. essentially what jennifer is saying. essentially what the government is doing here is taking away parental choice and threatening parents, frightened parents, parents who have been shielding, parents who have vulnerable family members, students who are scared to go back to school, threatening them with punitive fines and actually threatening them with the possibility of plunging possible lone parents like jennifer into debt that they cannot recover from. again, iwas that they cannot recover from. again, i was reading the department for education guidance last night and it reiterates school attendance is compulsory and the guidance says usual rules on school attendance will apply, including the availability of schools to issue fines. are you saving up money in order to pay the fines because you
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do not want to send children to school? i am not saving up money to do that because i have so much faith in power and people power and we are going to turn this callous government decision to threaten and frighten parents and frighten stu d e nts frighten parents and frighten students in the midst of a pandemic. what we are seeing is we know because of our campaigning that sheffield city council have made the right decision for their constituents to not find parents come september. we are now asking local councils to follow sheffield's lead. i live in york and have had recent conversations with the executive member for children's service and education and yet despite knowing that sheffield city council have ta ken despite knowing that sheffield city council have taken the brave and bold decision to listen to the people that they serve rather than
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this reckless government... you keep saying reckless and you described them as callous. the prevalence of coronavirus is coming down, they say. there are many fewer admissions to hospital. schools have many control measures in place. all of the uk's four cheap medical advisers have said on balance the risks of staying at home outweigh going to school. it will harm children in the long term if they continue to stay at home. their deputies have backed that up. what else would you need to hear? what else would need to happen before you feel confident about sending your children to school? we need to hear a plan b from the government because at the moment what they have done is they have sat on their hands for the last six months and there plan a is to revert back to status quo and that is not good enough. it is not good enough
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when we have parents whose gut instinct is telling them it is not safe for their children, we need a plan band safe for their children, we need a plan b and that is what our campaign has been working tirelessly on for the last six months. our campaign is working towards a traffic light system which is in accordance with the independent sage approach to opening schools. let me bring in justine greening, a former education secretary and former conservative mp. what do you say to them, having heard their genuine concerns this morning? it has been really difficult for parents all over england. home—schooling, not knowing when and how schools will open and injennifer's case when and how schools will open and in jennifer's case having when and how schools will open and injennifer's case having additional challenges on health care and a special needs child. what the government needs to do is to provide reassurance to parents that going back to school is safe. i think the chief medical officer has been clear that that is certainly his view.
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there will be individual cases that need to be looked at really carefully and i think on the ground i would expect that head teachers will take that sort of approach to work with parents to help reassure them where they can. but it is important we get our schools open and children are back in school. they have missed too many months at education. we get one shot at education. we get one shot at education in our lives as a young person and we have to make sure young people are back in full—time education. the government need to get on the case and get ahead of the curve . get on the case and get ahead of the curve. clearly there is a lack of confidence of parents, teachers and students in decisions that have been made and you are hearing that actually individual parents around the country, in some cases, are still worried about whether their school can be opened safely. still worried about whether their school can be opened safelym still worried about whether their school can be opened safely. it is right to say in some cases because we have the ons survey that showed
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that many parents have a reasonable degree of confidence, if not a high degree of confidence, if not a high degree of confidence about sending their children back. do you feel another u—turn might be coming on masks on children over 12 in england? i would not be surprised, it makes sense to continue to review the guidance as to whether facemasks in schools could help to reduce the risk. my perspective is if it can, thenit risk. my perspective is if it can, then it should be considered. we can see the decisionsjust being taken in scotland for facemasks being worn in public areas of schools. that sounds sensible and if there is a lack of confidence from parents all these sort of steps can help to make sure that parents understand there isa sure that parents understand there is a clear strategy in place that they want to see and we need set out by the government for preventing covid-19 by the government for preventing covid—19 from spreading through schools being open, detecting cases when schools have been open and responding to those cases in terms
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of how we might lockdown locally or shut schools locally or shut part of schools locally. but if you are going to do that parents want to know their children can be properly home—schooled and we are still waiting to see what the plan is as to how children can learn remotely if they are backed out of school again. we have to understand that education has to get back up and running in this country. it is absolutely crucial for these young people's features and they need to be back and learning and the government needs to get a grip and get a plan and confidence in the education system. have they not demonstrated they have got a grip to you? too often we see them responding to events rather than shaping them. we have seen that over the last two weeks with the exams grades chaos. it was clear that when schools were shut down we would need to have a plan for reopening them. that was several months ago. what you are seeing now is parents not
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necessarily having confidence in decisions being made, the whole cabinet now needs to be behind developing that plan for safe reopening of schools. also a catch—up plan. it is easy to lose sight of the fact we need to help young people catch up those lost months of education. and then for those schools where there are still challenges and for the pupils where there are still challenges and concerns, more specific, bespoke, personalised plans to help make sure no child loses out on their education because of coronavirus. all of you, thank you very much for your time this morning. really appreciate your views and contributions. wherever you are in the country, do you want england to follow scotland in making the wearing of face coverings compulsory in schools in england and corridors and communal areas? would that help you psychologically? would that make you psychologically? would that make you feel more confident? is that
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sensible? the who recommends it when there is high transmission in an area and where other social distancing measures, like staying two metres apart, cannot be put in place. send me a message on instagram or twitter or e—mail me at the bbc. time for the weather will storm francis is making its presence felt and it will continue to do so today bringing disruption. winds gusting around 70 miles an hour and couple that with some heavy rain. there is a deepening area of low pressure and the isobars telling you widespread, windy conditions and the weather fronts bringing widespread, windy conditions and the weatherfronts bringing northwards and to wales, northern england through the day. south of that it is bright spells and showers but the wind will remain a feature,
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widespread gusts, a0 to a5 miles an hour plus. temperatures, 13 to 23 this afternoon. this evening and overnight, we start to see the low pressure that is storm ellen towards the north sea. gusty winds, perhaps easing a bit, it will be a mild night across the board. the headlines: calls on the government to review its policy on face coverings in england's schools — as scotland says they will become compulsory in corridors and communal areas from monday. the world health organisation says it's for countries to decide. police and demonstrators clash for a second night in the american state of wisconsin, after officers shot a black man in the back. donald trump tells republican supporters the democrats are using the pandemic to steal the presidential election — as his party formally confirms him as their candidate.
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let's get the latest from the bbc sport centre, and join sally. jimmy anderson is just one away from 600 wickets. england are hoping for better weather in southampton as they look for victory on their final day of test cricket this summer. yesterday anderson got his 599th as pakistan closed on 100 for 2 in their second innings, still more than 200 behind. joe lynskey reports. jimmy anderson played his first england test 18 years ago. no bowler like him's been so prolific for so long. today he could reach 600 wickets, but he might have done it already. since sunday, his fielders have fumbled too often. this drop from jos buttler was one of the worst. england need eight more wickets to win this third test with pakistan. but rain could yet still cost them victory and history. they had to wait until four o'clock
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for monday's first wicket. stuart broad hoped it would open the floodgates, but the tourists won't roll over. nice shot. azhar ali made a century in the first innings. he's still hanging on. anderson's wicket made it 88—2. pakistan are still a long way behind and h9s 599 strike is already unique. fast bowling takes its toll on the body. only spinners have got more. and with stuart broad up there, too, england have one team with two legends. it's gone brilliantly. you know, i mean, iwas looking at my stats earlier and to have two people above 500 test wickets in your side and one closing in on 600, its a brilliant achievement. for somebody to get that many wickets is just amazing. the milestone may happen in the bio—secure bubble. winston, the groundsman's dog, will be one of the few to see it. this is england's last test of the summer and quite possibly the year. they hope the final day comes
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with a special wicket. joe lynskey, bbc news. andy murray heads into next week's us open off the back of one of his best wins since his return from a hip injury. he beat the world number 7 alex zverev in three sets at new york's flushing meadows. it's his first win against a top ten opponent for more than three years. murray's been awarded a wildcard to play in next week's grand slam at the same venue. he won his first major there in 2012. he plays milos raonic next after he beat dan evans. the western & southern open is the first atp event since the tour was suspended in march. i would have preferred playing with the crowd. i think it was 15—30 in the crowd. i think it was 15—30 in the last game, running passing shot, a winnerfrom out the last game, running passing shot, a winner from out of the court. you know, you get silence. which,
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obviously, you feed off the crowd. maybe that explains a little bit, the drop of intensity sometimes, in a long match like that, i don't know. there's a lot of factors that could go into that, but it is not the same. meanwhile, johanna konta looked in extremely impressive form in her win over kirsten flipkens, losing just two games in the match. serena williams overcame a scare against dutch qualifier arantxa rus to reach the third round. the 23—time grand slam champion had to win two tie—breaks in the three set match that lasted almost three hours. she will play greece's maria sakkari next. usain bolt says he's self—isolating as he awaits the result of a coronavirus test. the eight—time olympic gold medallist says he was tested as a precaution despite having no symptoms, and has urged friends he's been in contact with to also be checked.
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this week, everybody has checked social media. i should say that i am confident of covid—19. i did a test on saturday because i am trying to be responsible and i will stay in and stay in for my friends. also, i am having no symptom so i am going to quarantine myself. usain bolt com obviously going into quarantine but not confirming the test result, he is still waiting to hear. that is all the sport for me. thank you, sally. your messages, disney hand says i am a member of school office staff and i will be wearing a mask. i doubt i will be asked to remove it. lisa says i teach in further education, i went back to work last week and we have enrolled students face—to—face, two open days and more
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enrolments to come this week. no social distancing, no staggered start orfinishing times social distancing, no staggered start or finishing times and all teachers are banned from wearing mask. susan says my kids have been affected badly by being off school. they have had covid—19 but it was nothing in comparison. carl says before lockdown i pick up my grand children from school three times a week, can i still do this from september? yes you can, wear a mask to make yourself feel better and keep two metres apart. those are the control measures we are meant to be doing anyway. we have no concerns about our sons, says nicola, aged 11 and 13, returning to school. our youngest was fortu nate returning to school. our youngest was fortunate enough to return in june for seven weeks, we did not hesitate. perspective needs to be kept here. a court in new zealand has been hearing more distressing details about the effect of the christchurch mosque shootings on witnesses, survivors and bereaved families. our correspondent shaimaa khalil is following the proceedings from sydney.
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this is the sentencing hearing of the man who killed those people at the man who killed those people at the two mosques in 2019? that is right, victoria. another emotionally charged day in court for that sentence, hearing a mix of anger, of grief and defiance, as many of the survivors and the bereaved families we re survivors and the bereaved families were facing and directing their remarks at brenton tarrant himself, the killer responsible for the christchurch massacre. many mother spoke to him directly. one of them said, he was dead to her, whatever punishment he was going to get was never going to be enough. another called him a monster and asked what right he had to take her son away from her. we also got a lot of detail about the extent of devastation from the people in the mosques at the time of the attack,
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describing what it has been like, describing what it has been like, describing feeling the pain, knowing they had been shot and seeing friends and family members shot in the mosque and speaking about having to live with these physical injuries for more than a year now. we also saw the extent of the mental and psychological effect and told this has had on so many people. so many people spoke of how they couldn't go back to normal, that everyday life has become a burden to them. this is what we are seen now, they speak of flashbacks, they speak of the difficulty that will stay with them for a long time, long after the sentencing. when are we expecting to hear the actual sentence? the judge said he won't announce the sentence before thursday. we have another day of testimony is, of impact statements. we are expecting to hear from brenton tarrant himself, who will be representing himself in
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court after firing his defence staff. no idea what he will say, thatis staff. no idea what he will say, that is why recording has been controlled as to what comes out of the court. that is expected tomorrow or thursday. but we are not getting anything before thursday with regards to the sentence. thank you very much. why hasn't the football association published its independent review into child sex abuse allegations in football yet? the scandal has been described as one of the biggest crises in the history of the fa. it was commissioned four years ago by the organisation to look into historical abuse in the sport, following a series of allegations by former players made on our programmeinto sot i know what he has been through, because i have been through exactly the same and all of the lads have been through the same. this has got to stop. and the only way that i can help is to come forward. you seem quite strong, chris, if you don't mind me saying? a lot of people have
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said that, but i don't know if i am that strong, i don't know. deep down, i don't think i am. but i am a funeral director and i see lots of horrible things so that has probably made me a little bit stronger than the rest of the lads. what would you say to andy? i love and tibbetts, i am here because of him. mandy, you have done quite a remarkable you know? i am just totally overwhelmed, you know. last week i was on here, i was on my own and i was so scared, but i knew they were here. honest to god, victoria, i cannot thank the public enough and the media and more importantly, the lads for backing me up, you know. i importantly, the lads for backing me up, you know. lam importantly, the lads for backing me up, you know. iamjust importantly, the lads for backing me up, you know. i am just totally overwhelmed. chris unsworth and andy woodward talking to me in november 2016. the independent review commissioned by the fa has looked
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into what the fa and clubs knew and did about allegations of child sexual abuse between 1970 and 2005. publication of the report has been delayed by legal proceedings and further allegations, but all criminal matters have now concluded. yet there's still no date for publication and that's left some survivors frustrated. let's talk to andy woodward who gave evidence to the fa's review. good morning to you, and e. good morning, victoria. what do you think about the fact that this report has not been published? to be honest, i am dumbfounded. it has taken a few yea rs am dumbfounded. it has taken a few years since i broke the story and i cannot believe it has taken so long and so many victims that are out there, for the past four years, have just been waiting for this. for them not to produce that after the investigations have concluded. you
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know, i have no words. i am investigations have concluded. you know, i have no words. iam in investigations have concluded. you know, i have no words. i am in a great place now, i have never been happier. but there are people out there who have just come forward, or come forward and ongoing to the last few years and they don't know what is going on. it has taken four years so far, if it takes another few weeks, even months, how would you feel about that? how long is a piece of string? i have had e—mails from them, but not all the way through. i mean, an e—mail recently that stated that we are trying our best. but trying our best is not good enough for the victims who wanted this review come through earlier. it was delayed because of the investigations and now we don't know when it is going to be. a spokesperson for the review team said to us, we share frustrations at the delays in the review reaching its conclusion. however, it was
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essential to ensure ongoing criminal investigations were not prejudiced by the work of the review. while they were ongoing, the qc in charge has continued his extensive investigations into what happened across a couple in england over a 35 year period. since barry bennell, yourformer year period. since barry bennell, your former coach recently pleaded guilty to further charges, the qc has made contact with more survivors and is in the process of finalising his report. victoria, what i can say also is that in terms of the content of statements, i spent five hours in those chambers. i am not going to give any detail of that, obviously, but i walked out of there after five hours and i was suicidal at that time. there was no welfare chats, i got on a train from london to manchester and i have seen the
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contents manchester and i have seen the co nte nts of manchester and i have seen the contents of my statement which is a page. i am deeply hurt by that. i am sure there is a lot of survivors and victims out there who are also deeply frustrated. i feel really strongly about this... you spent five hours giving your evidence about what you had experienced as a little boy at the hands of your former coach to the qc, to the fa review tea m former coach to the qc, to the fa review team and it has been summarised in one page of aa paper? that's right, one page. the content of that, which i cannot disclose, obviously, is absolutely shocking. i have not signed to say i agree with that and i have not heard anything since. if you think of how many of the victims have given statements, i am sure they are all frustrated with the content of what they have been given. i know it is a detailed investigation and there is only so much you can put in a statement, but what i gave in terms of what
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happened to me and the football clu bs happened to me and the football clubs involved, you know, i was absolutely gobsmacked. there are football clu bs absolutely gobsmacked. there are football clubs out there, what happened back then, they only know. one club, manchester city who accepted liability, they have spoken out and they have said and they have dealt with it accordingly. other clu bs, dealt with it accordingly. other clubs, i cannot comment on every single club in the country, but this is not right. ifeel single club in the country, but this is not right. i feel really strongly about this, victoria. i am is not right. i feel really strongly about this, victoria. iam in is not right. i feel really strongly about this, victoria. i am in a really strong place now and i have said from the start, i want to help people. i have spoken to the fa, spoke to the pfa about doing something to make a change, and i will continue with that. i have been through a lot in the last four yea rs, through a lot in the last four years, i could write a book with what has just happen. this is wrong, i stand by with what i say and i am determined to make a difference and also that the fa have not contacted
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me for two and a half years, not even to check on my welfare, it is nothing but shocking. let me read this bit of their statement... while there is only limited space in the report for verbatim test to me, the report for verbatim test to me, the report will have accounts from many survivors and all survivors will be asked for their consent to share the full transcript with the fa. no survivor was made to recount the experience. we will share their story that the review but some will have found the process distressing and for this reason, survivors were provided in advance of the interview details of support services, including sporting chance and they we re including sporting chance and they were contacted to check on their welfare. what is your message to the football association today, andy woodward? i made it clear from the
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start, i was invited into wembley and gregg clark and the fa said they would support me all the way. i have had maybe one contact from greg clark when he spoke in parliament. he came to manchester and i asked him for some support and also a job within the fa to try and help and support people, being the person who brought it out. his words were, i cannot give you a job. i have not worked for five years because i have been tirelessly trying to help other people. my view is, i am a person that wants to help others. this is wrong, what has happened in the last four and wrong, what has happened in the last fourand a wrong, what has happened in the last four and a half years. it has nearly taken my life. i am stronger than i have ever been, victoria, and i want to make a difference. it is down to the authorities, the organisation is to do this but they have a moral responsibility to look after victims
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of any abuse, whether it is child abuse or not. i really want to make that happen. whenever this report is finally published, what do you hope will come from it? there is one word, victoria, the honest truth. i really hope that is the case and i cannot say that now, because we have not seen it. ijust hope it is a true, accurate account of what happened to us footballers that were in that generation that are all damaged and we cannot take that back. thank you very much for talking to us. can ijust also say, iam the talking to us. can ijust also say, i am the happiest i have ever been andi i am the happiest i have ever been and i am the strongest i have ever been and i have a beautiful partner now, he is watching this. i am ready to move forward now, victoria and thank you for all you have done over the last four years. it is so good to hear that, thank you so much, andy woodward with his message to the football association. as soon as the football association. as soon as the independent review is published, we will bring it to you first hear
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on bbc news. details of organisations which offer support and information about domestic abuse can be found online, at bbc.co.uk/actionline. or you can call 08000 155 9a7 to hear recorded information 2a hours a day. ellie gould was a bright and popular sixth form student who should have turned 18 earlier this year. but in may, she was killed in her own home by a former boyfriend. now, reports suggest the government is considering increasing minimum sentences for young offenders found guilty of murder. the proposal comes after a campaign from ellie's parents, as john maguire reports. the tributes to her that came from the other children at school sort of reinforce that fact, really, how kind she was and smiley and always incorporated everybody into a group orfriendship group. she didn't like anyone to be unhappy, and as she was, she was that girl with a smile, really.
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ellie gould should have been embarking on the next chapter of her life. she should have recently received her a—levels alongside herfriends. but in may last year, she was murdered by her ex—boyfriend, stabbed repeatedly in her own home. this is the worst thing that could ever happen to a parent and especially taken in such a brutal way by somebody that i suppose we trusted, that was supposedly fond of her. and to take away such a beautiful person, such a beautiful soul, is just unforgivable, his actions, unforgivable. her killer, thomas griffiths, had tried to cover his tracks, but he later admitted ellie's murder and was given a life sentence with a minimum term of 12 and a half years. although he was 17 at the time of the attack, he was an adult when he went to court for sentencing. ellie's mum is campaigning
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for a change in the law. we want sentencing for child killers to be tougher, particularly for mature killers. so somebody like griffiths, who was only five months off being 18, who came from a very stable background, very stable parents who, you know, cared for him, who was intelligent, who did not have any mental health problems, he was cleared by a top psychiatrist, by his barristers. somebody like him who carried out a most brutal, frenzied murder just because he couldn't have his own way, just because ellie didn't want to be his girlfriend any longer, somebody like that should have a much tougher sentence than what he received and should be treated more like an adult. however, he does have a right because he was under 18, to apply to get his sentence reduced halfway through if he behaves himself in prison and we would like to scrap that as well and have that within ellie's law.
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and carol is welcoming recent reports saying the change named after ellie will be included in a government white paper next month, a precursor to a new law. it is a relief. you know, it does feel ellie will be remembered for the wrong reasons, but a positive thing going forward. and, you know, other victims will get more justice than we have received for their lost ones. if the law is changed and if it bears ellie's name, it will provide some small solace for her friends and family. john maguire, bbc news, wiltshire. thank you for your messages regarding whether england should follow scotland in schools for kids over the age of 12 wearing face coverings in communal areas like corridors. could the government change its mind on this?
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steve says, yes they can and probably will change guidance for secondary schools. why wear masks on public transport but not on school buses where bubbles will be mixed. allah says i feel sorry for the children that will have to wear masks in school. laurie says i think i have to contact laurie says i think i have to co nta ct you laurie says i think i have to contact you the interview earlier. while i understand vulnerable pa re nt‘s while i understand vulnerable parent's concerns, i feel schools are not being given any credit for putting everything in place. staff in schools put the needs of the children first and the staff have been working tirelessly to ensure all precautions are in place and ensure the well—being of the children. parents, carers and the government need to stop making this an issue and trust the schools. pa rents an issue and trust the schools. parents parents an issue and trust the schools. pa rents pa rents a re an issue and trust the schools. parents parents are concerned about whether the school is taking the necessary precautions, they need to visit the school to see what is in place. sue say she is concerned about returning her grandson to school.
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the government needs to listen to the public and not threaten them with fines for not sending children back. and masks should be mandatory in any public place. sue says i am not racial, common infection rate where we live is high and we are a high—risk family. my son is not allowed to meet his best friend in the garden due to restrictions, but the prime minister expects me to send him to class where they will both face 30 plus kids in the classroom. let us choose and please don't give us a fine. if you want to get in touch, you are very welcome. instagram, e—mail. now it's time for a look at the weather with carol. hello again. storm francis is making its presence felt across our shows and will do for much of the day and for some of us, for parts of tomorrow as well. it is bringing some very strong
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tomorrow as well. it is bringing some very strong gusts of 60 mph in some very strong gusts of 60 mph in some part of the country with exposure as much as 70 and heavy rain. disruption is likely. it is this area of low pressure with all its isobars squeezed together as well as the weather fronts bringing the rain. the rain is wrapped all the rain. the rain is wrapped all the way around the low pressure moving northwards, but we see a second batch of rain coming in across northern ireland and also northern england and wales through the course of the afternoon. in terms of the gusts of wind we can expect this afternoon, you can see 55 in plymouth, a2 in st helier and 66 in cardiff. but in we are looking at gusts of 50 miles an hour and with the rain across some of the trans pennine routes, it will not be pleasa nt trans pennine routes, it will not be pleasant if you are travelling today. across northern ireland and scotla nd today. across northern ireland and scotland strong gotze of wind and string gusting 50 miles an hour in eastern scotland so far north hangs the driest and the brightest conditions. temperatures are academic amongst all of this, but pretty poor in the north in the wind
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and the rain. a little bit higher as we move further south. this evening and overnight, this is the centre of the literature, heavy rain to come and the wind will still be a feature of the weather, but it will ease down just of the weather, but it will ease downjust a of the weather, but it will ease down just a little bit and of the weather, but it will ease downjust a little bit and it of the weather, but it will ease down just a little bit and it is going to be a mild night across the board. so tomorrow, you can see how this storm starts to move away but we have an array of isobars across our shows and some rain to clear as well. so gusty winds first thing in the morning, particularly in eastern areas and we could still have gusts 30 to a0 mph and some of the rain. with the ridge of high pressure building in from the west it will settle down from the west with some sunshine. the winds ease as we head to the afternoon with just a few scattered showers. temperatures, 13 in the north and 22 as we push further south. as we head into thursday, we have got two batches of rain, one coming across northern ireland, through scotland and northern england and then later in the day this next batch of heavy rain coming from the south—west and
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this is bbc news with the latest from the uk and around the world. calls on the uk government to review its policy on face coverings in england's schools as scotland says they will become compulsory in communal areas. the world health organization says it's for countries to decide. children between 12 and five years old can wear masks where appropriate and where asked to, but it is important to ensure they know how to use them. in the united states republicans begin their national convention with warnings about the country's future ifjoe biden were to defeat donald trump in november's election. police and demonstrators clash for a second night in the american state of wisconsin after officers shot
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