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this is bbc world news. the headlines: democratic presidential contender, joe biden, has said donald trump knowingly and willingly lied about the threat posed by coronavirus. it follows the publication of excerpts from a new book by the journalist bob woodward, who spoke to mr trump in february and march as the virus was taking hold. tighter restrictions have been revealed in england to try and curb the spread of coronavirus, with the prime minister saying only six people will be able to meet at any one time. a fresh fire has broken out on the greek island of lesbos, destroying what was left of the country's biggest migrant camp. an earlier blaze had already spread through the site, leaving 13,000 people without shelter. wildfires have turned the day sky blood—red over san francisco. fires are burning out of control across swathes of california, along with other pacific coast states of washington and oregon.
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hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are the author and journalist rachel shabi and christopher hope, chief political correspondent at the daily telegraph. very grateful that you are both back with us. let's take a look at some of the first papers. there will be little cheer at christmas, says the telegraph, responding to borisjohnson‘s press conference today, in which he said it was too early to say whether large family gatherings would be possible this winter. "there goes christmas" is the mail's headline, calling the new rule limiting gatherings to six people ‘draconian‘. the i says the new measures will last for six months, with the times also saying that normal life is unlikely to resume before next spring. if the public don't follow
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the new rules, tougher actions could yet be taken, says the mirror. but rapid testing could provide an answer. the guardian reports on leaked official documents which show the prime minister believes mass testing is ‘our only hope for avoiding a second national lockdown before a vaccine‘. the metro says mrjohnson is reportedly gambling £100 billion, nearly as much as nhs england's entire annual budget, on those super fast virus tests, which it's hoped could be used by up to 10 million people a day. so, let's start with our guests. it's lovely to have you both back with us on this wednesday evening. we'll we‘ ll start we'll start with the telegraph. since it's your paper, we will start with you. this is in relation to this rule of six that will be coming
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in on monday, on the prime minister, he's looking pretty miserable. he looks tired, doesn't he? look at that face. you can't help thinking this is not what he signed up to when he became prime minister last december. you want to try and take this country out of the european union —— he wants to. and he was full of optimism. he's facing the biggest challenge faced by any premierfor biggest challenge faced by any premier for decades, frankly. the latest thing is this return of covid this autumn, which we are starting to see, the decision he's taken is to see, the decision he's taken is to bring in the rule of six, which means if you gather with more than five friends, you can be fined or worse, arrested. that starts on monday. this is not what he signed up monday. this is not what he signed up to, because that's the nature prime minister, but that photograph
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there is a classic in looking at the pressure of thejob. there is a classic in looking at the pressure of the job. the mirror also, stick to the new rules or christmas is all. the mirror talks about the fines that people face if they breach of the rules of £100 for the first, but could possibly go up to as much as £3200. that's right. this is new, the introduction of enforceable, apparently, fines and potential arrests. this is coming because the rate of infections has risen, and it is increasing at an alarming rate, particularly in the last week. so, this is expectation management from the government, which is much better than what was coming from the prime ministera than what was coming from the prime minister a few months ago, the idea that would all be over by christmas
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seemed improbable even then, although understandably, lots of people will have been looking forward to spending christmas with their loved ones. but i think we need to take a step back here. it's notjust down to need to take a step back here. it's not just down to the public, whether this works or not. chris whitty, the chief medical officer, today said the period between now and spring is going to be difficult, going into winter, people spending more time inside. but it's also on the government. they also need to get a grip on the test and trace system. that's how you deal with outbreaks in the community. that's how you identify where the virus is in the community, how it's spreading and how you can contain it. the government is not managing to do any of those things effectively. we talked about this before. i'm not an expert or a scientist, that i've spent the last few months talking to
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epidemiologists, virologists, experts and they are all critical of the government outsourcing test and trace into the private sector, where is run inefficiently as compared to the existing public health system, which could have managed it far better. go on, chris. rachel's point, it's well—made but it's disputed. it is a bit like the dunkirk evacuation. 0n disputed. it is a bit like the dunkirk evacuation. on twitter in the fulljudgement days of the guardian and other newspapers. not easy. an issue of what was the best choice, we will find out soon enough because there will be a review. there's a inquiry before the election. but i think the daily mirror, the second line when they sayjohnson admits previous guidance was complicated and cause confusion,
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i think that's right. i think people we re i think that's right. i think people were unclear on whether the guidance —— there was guidance are not on what you can do. indoors or outdoors. i think the clarity of monday, walter conan, at least it means everyone knows where they are —— while draconian. if you see more than five friends walking around, they are breaking the law. course johnson hates it, going back to the telegraph front page. he hates it with every bit of his body. this is what he would rail against if he was writing columns for our newspapers. he wishes he wasn't doing this, but he has to, and that's why these awful headlines that this could go on till march. is it simpler than this idea now that six people and fewer is ok, any more is not? it is and it isn't. i think the idea of socialising in groups of six makes sense, andl socialising in groups of six makes sense, and i think the public health
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mess should the government is rolling out about space is good. but people will wonder why they can't socialise in groups of more than six, but they can be on trains going to work or be at work. or be in pubs and restaurants, which the government has been encouraging people to do, especially throughout the month of august with special deals. so there is a contradiction there that i think the government has not addressed. again, there has beena has not addressed. again, there has been a lot of outrage. it's not like this is people complaining on twitter. this is a scientist, this is the scientific community. pointing out that you absolutely need to have a test and trace system. the reason we are regressing in terms of having to go back to him more punitive measures is because we
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don't have a test and trace system and there are countries around the world that do rely more on a local public health decentralised system. but we can see they are doing better. it's not a case of unknowns, if the case of the government making an ideological choice to spend in the private sector rather than in a perfectly functional public sector thatis perfectly functional public sector that is crying out to help. perfectly functional public sector that is crying out to helpm perfectly functional public sector that is crying out to help. if not ideological. there is no perfect ideology on it in a global pandemic of the scale. they found ways, yet not all the private companies do that well. some went to phd labs. it's too early to say. i think it's totally unfair to say it was logical totally unfair to say it was logical to go after some private companies
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in. let's just to go after some private companies in. let'sjust keep on the test side of this. the metro is looking at this £100 billion covid shot. googling what this kind of moonshot concept was, you have a good explanation. this kind of moonshot concept was, you have a good explanationm this kind of moonshot concept was, you have a good explanation. it goes back to jfk you have a good explanation. it goes back tojfk in you have a good explanation. it goes back to jfk in 1961 you have a good explanation. it goes back tojfk in 1961 before thejohn f. kennedy, the former us president when he said trying to get to the moon by the end of the decade. the us did in 1969. this number is eye watering. the estimate cost of testing at all before we go out of oui’ testing at all before we go out of our business, trying to get to this country back to normal. taking a regular swab or saliva test to see if we have covid—19. if we have it, we can go out in the community. £100 million of the nhs budget, three times the mod‘s budget. that's on top of the 200 billion estimated to be sent by the opr on this crisis.
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it's a huge number. these eye watering figures that we paid for yea rs watering figures that we paid for years and years, maybe decades, by us years and years, maybe decades, by us and our children. that number is terrifying, frankly. on the flip side, this testing is promising. results back in 15 minutes. the testing doesn't exist yet, so it might be promising speculatively, but the fact remains that the money being spent is on speculative testing that does not yet currently exist. and that's precisely the problem. the bmj has been very critical of this policy, not least oi'i critical of this policy, not least on those terms, but also saying that it hasn't had input from scientists and clinicians, and the sort of people you'd want input from. it also criticises government again for spending on companies like deloitte. you have to ask why spend on them,
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why not give that money to the nhs and to the public sector instead? which has capacity that is not currently being used. you have to ask that question. especially when you are looking at scribbling —— spending the equivalent of the annual budget for nhs. what do you think, christopher?” annual budget for nhs. what do you think, christopher? ithink rachel is right. it is not clear, she named checks their companies. i think the government, around borisjohnson have found the civil service wanting, we see the way they've been letting go one permanent secretary a month since they came into power. there were... they might find that if they'd given money, they would
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get better results. i don't think it's a question of ideological companies who may have worked before with the government. i think they wa nt to with the government. i think they want to try and find a way to get through this. maybe the mistake might be trying to go at it alone. the brits know best, that's why the nhsxapp the brits know best, that's why the nhs x app did not work, which may be relied on software there. we should work as a group of countries rather than go at it alone. these numbers are huge, and my goodness, we haven't even started paying for it yet. thank you so much. let's move away for the time being from coronavirus. the guardian is picking up coronavirus. the guardian is picking up on coronavirus. the guardian is picking upona coronavirus. the guardian is picking up on a story that has been developing tonight. it's a new book byjournalist bob woodward. he's done various interviews with mr trump in february
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and march of this year, and he's suggesting that the president knew about the threat of coronavirus, yet knowingly, according to mr woodward and willingly lied. played it down, and willingly lied. played it down, and the president reacting, saying he didn't want to cause a panic. this is a slightly different book coming out by bob woodward, which though media outlets have seen details from. it's slightly different from other books making allegations against mr trump. the clips circulating today demonstrate quite clearly that donald trump knew as early as february that the pandemic was coming and was deadly. he knew, he said, he told woodward that it was five times at least more
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deadly than the flu, but at the same time he was telling the public it wasjust like the time he was telling the public it was just like the flu and that it would be over very quickly. and he's oi'i would be over very quickly. and he's on record, he's on tape telling bob woodward that he played it down deliberately. so this is a slightly different situation where it's not somebody making claims about trump. it's actually trump saying in his owi'i it's actually trump saying in his own words that he knew about this in february and he played it down. own words that he knew about this in february and he played it downm was initially the president saying it was a fake book. he can't say that now, but joe it was a fake book. he can't say that now, butjoe biden hasjumped up that now, butjoe biden hasjumped up on this. do you reckon this is going to be a coronavirus election? i think this is the first start of a big battle about how to play this issue and how, i think that such a keyissue issue and how, i think that such a key issue now. this book is amazing,
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looking at the interviews bob woodwards done. that's real record. thanks for that. let's talk about brexit. the financial teams —— financial times front page, borisjohnson, this proposal to rewrite part of the brexit deal. we've got an emergency meeting which is going to be held on thursday. described as damaging, talks will continue. that's right. dft is reporting on increasing alarm and disreputable of the government's announcement —— disapproval. excluding the prime minister as well asa excluding the prime minister as well as a former conservative prime minister. saying it's an idea for years of negotiations by a country
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once known as a cradle of democracy. alarming to see the government admit in parliament that they're prepared to remain on a treaty. they are prepared to break the law, raises all kinds of questions of what that demonstrates to the public about abiding by the law, not to mention what that says to other countries who might want an international treaty, who the uk might want international treaties with. the fda saying downing street sources are didn't fully comprehend the details —— the. he boasted about signed late la st —— the. he boasted about signed late last year, saying get brexit done. they said they never meant it to be conclusive, which is quite a staggering thing to say. it's basically borisjohnson staggering thing to say. it's basically boris johnson is staggering thing to say. it's basically borisjohnson is either an
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idiot. i have to put that to christopher. not true. the government is making preparations in case there is a no—deal brexit. this may never happen. this may not be required if there's a trade deal when we leave at the end of the year, that's the point. that's what the government is doing. there's a way around this problem to get a deal. i this shows the eu that the uk is willing to break parts of a treaty agreed last year to get the best dealfor treaty agreed last year to get the best deal for the uk. treaty agreed last year to get the best dealfor the uk. if treaty agreed last year to get the best deal for the uk. if the treaty agreed last year to get the best dealfor the uk. if the eu didn't think that the uk is not bluffing, it wants a deal, this shows it. i think the treasury counsellor, that shows that you that they are willing to operate without a deal. —— that the eu. rachel is
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right, this is a damaging thing for this country. but it may not have to happen if we can get a deal. but why would anyone trust the uk to agree toa would anyone trust the uk to agree to a deal if it'sjust would anyone trust the uk to agree to a deal if it's just demonstrated that it's prepared to break the last one? it making snow since? i find it ha rd one? it making snow since? i find it hard to defend —— it makes no sense. preparations in case there's a deal, that's what i was saying. it looks bad when you havejohn major, you got theresa may lining up to criticise you. for a justjohnson knows he has to get the union to work as a group of four nations —— borisjohnson. work as a group of four nations —— boris johnson. goes to show how difficult it is to agree on this topic. we are out of time as always. rachel and christopher, thank you so much and thank you for your honesty and your opinions. there were plenty of them, so thank you for that and thank you to our viewers as well.
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the conversation is hashtag bbc papers if you'd like to get involved. port in england was dealt a blow when borisjohnson port in england was dealt a blow when boris johnson announced port in england was dealt a blow when borisjohnson announced the pilot event with browser stadiums at 1000 people. and be reviewed on the 1st of 0ctober. it comes as a chief collective —— executive of the premier league... richter and masters as a failure to do so can cost clubs hundreds of millions of pounds. it's actually critical. that's because like every other industry, football has been impacted by covid already. so like
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women's draws of the us open, had to the bbc sport website, but that is all your support for now. good evening. the cloud and the odd spot of drizzle we've had across southern parts is clearing right up, southern parts is clearing right up, so week weather front and it's weak because we got a ridge of high pressure building across the uk. that is also reducing the amount of showers that we are seeing in the north, they are becoming confined to the north—east of scotland. and actually, the cloud will tend to melt away as we go through the evening and overnight notjust the cloud either melting away but the winds will fall light. so, ingredients are there for a chilly night. it was quite muggy in the south in particular last night. it will be distinctly chilly overnight. the glens of scotland are expected to fall to freezing in a few spots. and further south through the countryside areas, into low single figures. the towns and cities as you can see here are low enough.
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so, a distinctly chilly start to our thursday morning. there could be a little mist around, even a little shallow fog and some of the river valleys. but that should clear and we should have plenty of sunshine, an abundance of sunshine first thing. the cloud will tend to build up through the day. it mightjust produce the odd shower for northern ireland but more so for western and northern scotland. further south and east, mostly dry and staying mostly dry for england and wales but notably, the temperatures are several degrees down on recent days. i still think it will feel pleasant enough because of the light winds and the sunshine. it's still early september but it's a notable change. and so a chilly night will follow in the south tomorrow night but by that time, we have got low pressure establishing itself. so, showers merge into longer spells of rain, and quite heavy and substantial rain across the scottish mountains and also for northern ireland. northern england will also see some rains before it brightens into showers in the north but again, further south and east, largely settled and dry on friday, just a bit more cloud around. that weather front just about fizzles away, then, through friday night as it crosses into southern england but again to the north, we are watching that next pulse of rain come in on our next
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area of low pressure. so, initially starting as showers end of saturday. by the end of the day, it looks like we will see heavy rains spilling back into probably northern ireland, more so scotland. whilst elsewhere, parts of eastern scotland, much of england and wales largely dry, feeling warm with the light winds. and then as we change our up our wind direction into a more southerly for sunday, we will see it warm up again and our first pulse of rain clears away saturday night, so quite a wet night and potentially some more rain for the far north—west than into sunday. but by that stage, 2a in the south.
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this is bbc news — with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. i'm kasia madera. a second fire breaks out a camp in lesbos — as greek officials blame migrants for the blaze that's left thousands homeless. the us speaker of the house warns britain — there'll be no trade deal if the uk undermines the good friday agreement. donald trump is accused of deliberately downplaying the danger posed by coronavirus. he says he didn't want to panic people. and i don't want people to be frightened, i don't want to create panic as you say. and — covid may have crippled the world economy — but new research suggests
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