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this is bbc news with the latest headlines. calls for a huge increase in covid testing. operation moonshot aims to do ten million daily tests by early next year. the idea is to have a test which would be carried out at the location, a bit like a pregnancy test that provides a very quick result, and that would completely revolutionise things. do get in touch with us. at 0930 we'll be putting your questions on all the latest coronavirus developments to virologist dr chris smith. you can get in touch with your questions to me on twitter @annita—mcveigh or by using the hashtag #bbcyourquestions. senior uk ministers will hold emergency talks with eu officials later over the government's plan to override parts of the brexit
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withdrawal agreement. a month on from the derailment in stonehaven in aberdeenshire, a report by network rail says there needs to be better use of technology to predict heavy rain on railways. wildlife populations are plummeting across the world according to a stark new report from the world wide fund for nature. tax frequent flyers and ban cars from city centres. just two ideas from the public to tackle climate change in the uk's first citizen's assembly on the environment. government plans for a huge increase in coronavirus testing could cost tens of billions
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of pounds, according to leaked whitehall documents. the papers set out how borisjohnson‘s so—called "moonshot" programme could work — with an aim of 3 million coronavirus tests per day available by december, and up to 10 million early next year. the details of the project emerged yesterday — as the prime minister set out a ban on gatherings of more than six people in england. the restrictions, he says, break his heart to enforce, but insisted they were necessary to avoid a second lockdown. back at the downing street podium to announce new restrictions for england because of real concern in government about the rising number of coronavirus cases. we are introducing the rule of six. you must not meet socially in groups of more than six, and if you do, you
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will be breaking the law. schools and workplaces are exempt. so are funerals, weddings and team sports, but here is why the government is taking action. this map shows the number of coronavirus cases in england. as areas get darker, they are seeing more people testing positive. in recent days, there's been a significant increase. flanked by the government's to key experts for the first time in weeks, boris johnson said imposing new restrictions was tough but necessary. the trouble is that the people who think they can take responsibility for their own health and take their own risk are i'm afraid misunderstanding the situation and i will perhaps ask chris and patrick to comment on this. it's not just chris and patrick to comment on this. it's notjust the risk to yourself, alas, but you can be, at any age, a vehicle, a vectorfor the disease. the chief medical officer
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warned new restrictions limiting gatherings could be in place for a while. we have to be honest with ourselves that we are in a much better place than we were but there are still constraints, and those constraints are notjust magically going to disappear and the demand on testing has increased, outpacing at certain points, our increase in testing and that may have been happening for a little while, i think. the government hopes in time that mass testing could allow many people to return to normal. leaked documents reveal ministers are hoping 3 million tests every day could be available by december, and even up to 10 million a day early next year. that could cost billions, and at the moment capacity is far lower, so for now, downing street is hoping extra restrictions will help control the diaries —— the virus. our political correspondent, iain watson joins us now from westminster.
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good morning, ian. given the issue with testing currently, the prime minister's moonshot programme is an ambitious aim by his own admission and he says there's lots to be worked out, the logistics, the technology itself, so why did he actually announce that yesterday. obviously he wants to offer some hope to people but with the current problems, why did he do that given the existing problems with testing? i think quite simply, as you said, i think he is a politician who likes to see hope triumph over fear and likes to point to the distant sunlit uplands of normality returning and i think when he is delivering a tough message, telling people effectively that there will be these draconian measures, the rule of six as he calls it, people not being able to meet beyond that indoors and outdoors, he wanted to say that we can't get back to normal sometime in the future and i think that is
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partly the political message and also don't forget he's been under huge political pressure. he was at prime minister's questions a few hours before that press conference and keir starmer was saying effectively that the government isn't getting the basics right on testing, so i think he wanted put this in context about the bigger picture of the government's efforts. i have been told that the government has been working on this project sincejune, and we got the first whiff of it last week when the government said it was spending £500 million on testing. matt hancock, the health secretary, announced that, so effectively we are seeing more regular testing in salford on a weekly basis and also seeing the testing, different types, more rapid tests give results in 20 or 90 minutes in southampton, so it's at a very early stage and very much in the foothills of boris johnson's mountainous ambition and that is something the transport secretary admitted to this morning. the idea
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is to have a test that can be carried out at the location, a bit like a pregnancy test providing a quick result, and that would completely revolutionise things. it's interesting that grant shapps mentioned a pregnancy test because if you cast your mind back to the time when the virus was at its peak in this country, borisjohnson was saying then that there could be a game changers, a silver bullet, which was a so—called immunity test, antibody test, and he said it could be as simple as going down the chemist and getting a pregnancy test and you would get very rapid results if you had the infection before and had antibodies and you could return toa had antibodies and you could return to a more normal way of life. we know since then that immunity is not necessarily confirmed for a long time or at all if you get the disease in the first place. the scientific evidence is in there yet and that has not been a game changer at the government expected. some of the figures flying around on the
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moonshot project, the government is trying to back off from some of the big costs because they say quite simply they don't yet know if some of the things they are trialling real wheelie work in practice, so there are no firm costings yet —— will really work. he would like to see all those test by the end of the year but we have no idea if that will happen. at the moment it's simply trying to give people a message that in the absence of a vaccine there are other ways of tackling this virus and i think also, to be fair, behind—the—scenes, they are working on this project and as one downing st insider put it, we are prepared to throw everything at it. thank you very much for that. let's talk some more about what we had yesterday from the prime minister at the downing street news conference. stephen reicher is a professor of psychology at the university of st andrews, and a member of sage — the scientific advisory group for emergencies, which has been advising the government on how to deal with the pandemic. thank you very much for your time this morning. boris johnson
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thank you very much for your time this morning. borisjohnson very clearly said yesterday that this was not another national lockdown, but these were steps to try to avoid another national lockdown. let's begin with the idea of the rule of six, and in terms of people's approach to what the prime minister had to say yesterday, do you think they are ready to knuckle down, listen to what he said and put in the effort to try and reduce the rise in the virus again. well, as so often throughout the pandemic, i don't think the problem lies with the population. at the start there was this notion that people were psychologically frail and would have behavioural fatigue psychologically frail and would have behaviouralfatigue and psychologically frail and would have behavioural fatigue and would not be able to go out after lockdown of what we discovered was that people did remarkably well and were far more resilient than the government expected and in fact, far better at observing lockdown and certain government figures. so i think the notion of psychological frailty is misplaced. the problem doesn't lie
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there. in fact, there was polling just after the rule of six was announced which showed actually quite strong support for restrictions. people understand that we need to limit our contacts if we are to limit the infection, so the pole for instance showed that by 77% against 70, people approved, —— against 70, people approved, —— against 17. that was across the board. we are hearing a lot about young people and how dreadful young people are but the evidence shows that young people also are supportive, they supported it by 67% against 26. another poll out last week showed that 70% of young people wa nted week showed that 70% of young people wanted the pandemic to be taken more seriously, and that leads to a really important point. a lot of the discussion at the moment about the cause of these spikes and infections and to some extent the way in which the rule of six was sold is premised on the notion that the problem lies
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with the public and the misbehaviour of the public and the misbehaviour of the public and the misbehaviour of particular groups, young people in particular. of course, we've all got to take responsibility and take it seriously, but at the same time a lot of the problem was not people breaking the rules, it was people following the rules. people have been told they have to go back to work and in fact the prime minister told people that if they didn't go back to work they might lose their jobs, and equally, people have been told they should be going to the pub and the prime minister told them it was there patriotically duty, so i think everybody has to take their responsibilities seriously to limit contact and limit infections and the government as well as the public. the prime minister did say that there had been issues with communication and he hoped that this rule of six was clear, clearer and yet it has given rise to lots of questions, but in terms of those young people and yesterday's news conference started with professor chris whitty showing is a series of graphs and he was looking at the 17
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up graphs and he was looking at the 17 up to 18—year—olds and the 19 to 21 age group as well, both going up quite steadily he said since the middle of august in terms of testing positively for the virus. i just wa nt to positively for the virus. i just want to put to you... it's very important to be clear about the evidence. the evidence is showing us there is an increase in infections in young people and that is undeniable. what is questionable is why that is happening. is it because they are doing the wrong thing, or is it because they are more exposed because they are going out more and going to work more, they are going to pubs because they have been told they can go to pubs. the notion that infections are going up because people are misbehaving is, i think, misplaced. a lot of the problem lies in the framework, the overall framework of what the government is doing and it's notjoined up. framework of what the government is doing and it's not joined up. that's a good point and that point, to quote you, is it misbehaviour or is it people being encouraged to put
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themselves in a position where actually they are in a situation where the virus is more easily transmitted and one would imagine if people are in pubs and clubs for example, they have a few drinks, inhibitions or the idea that they should socially distance might become more difficult? notjust pubs and clubs, but going back to work on finding themselves with multiple people as they are being told they should do even when they can work perfectly well from home. lots of people are going back to work yet. they are being pressured to do so. my they are being pressured to do so. my point is this, and let me get back to the key overall point. what we need is a clear, overall, joined up we need is a clear, overall, joined up strategy of different measures which come together to drive the infection down. and what we are seeing at the moment, and it's not just a matter of communication, it's a matter of policy, is we are seeing ad hoc measures. we are seeing last—minute interventions, often contradicting, rather than a joined
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up contradicting, rather than a joined up strategy to drive the infection down where all elements fit together. we are not seeing that and people understand we are not seeing that, and that is the source of their confusion and it's what we very much need. one of the graphs yesterday, referring back to those, compared the uk's rate of growth in the virus four weeks forward and looked at spain, france and belgium, and chris whitty said that we could end up in a very similar pattern to france with the rate of the virus still going up unless we take decisive action. he said if we do, the uk could begin to look more like belgium where the rate had started to go up again and then following rapid action, it has tapered off. i don't know how much you know about what has happened in belgium specifically, but is there anything else that belgium has done that the uk isn't doing that it should be doing in your opinion? well, if we look across the world, notjust doing in your opinion? well, if we look across the world, not just a belgium, the one lesson that comes
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over very clearly indeed is that if we are complacent then this infection comes back to bite us and can come back very quickly. that has happened in europe, and it's happened in europe, and it's happened for instance in israel and has happened around the world. so very clearly we need sets of clear policies, and what we need to do is to look at all elements of what we're doing and ask how we can keep people and allow people to distance. so let me take one example. schools. we are told, quite rightly, that school should be open. they should, and they should be socially distance and they should be socially distance and they should have mitigation in place and headmasters have done vast amounts of heroic work to make it happen but they can't do that without the resources which allow them to have smaller classes or smaller classrooms so that is possible, so quite friendly, it's not happening. so people are trying to do the right thing but at an individual level, and at schools, but not given the support necessary.
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one more example and i think it's the most important example. a lot of talk about testing, a lot of talk about test and trace and the aim is to test people and identify them and get them to self—isolate. what is missing is actually supporting them to actually self—isolate. the figures that came out last week showed that only about a quarter of people are self isolating often because they simply can't afford to do so. it's not that people are recalcitrant and they want to break the rules, it is they are not getting the support necessary. so we need a partnership between the government and the population, not just telling the population what to do, but giving us the support to do the right thing, and it's far more effective to give that support in securing compliance than hectoring people and telling them off for not doing things that you are not helping them to do. so in terms of policy, we need a reset in terms of partnership, not hectoring, but support of the population. we have
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time for one more question on this so—called moonshot programme. given the current problems with the testing programme, and the prime minister said yesterday it was ambitious, but do you think there is any possibility of getting the rate of testing he is talking about, this test to show if people are negative and therefore can potentially act as if social distancing didn't need to happen. do you think there's any chance of that happening in the timeframe he was talking about? well, it depends on all sorts of ifs and buts and uncertainties, but one of the problems is, talk of aiming for the moon is all very well but actually it's a distraction from the concrete problems we have in the here and now. there is a pattern that each time the government has failed on testing it has announced something yet more ambitious in the hope of distracting us from the present problems. there are very simple problems that could be sold at much simpler levels by for
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insta nce at much simpler levels by for instance using local public health rather than centralised and privatised agencies in order to track and trace people. like for insta nce track and trace people. like for instance giving people the financial support they need to self—isolate, like having testing that means you don't have to travel 75 miles which not only is impossible for some people but it's a very bad idea if you are poorly. so i think we need to attend to the gaping holes we have in the present system rather than, if you like, howling at the moon. thank you very much. students arriving at universities in england this autumn should not return home in the event of a local outbreak, under new advice set out by the government. the prime minister said it was to avoid spreading the virus across the country. the guidance also says that higher education providers may wish to introduce their own testing programmes for staff and students. the university and college union has called for testing on campuses to be scaled up to help manage the risks.
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president trump has defended his decision to play down the danger posed by coronavirus at the start of the pandemic, saying he didn't want to create a frenzy of panic. he first made the admission to the veteran journalist bob woodward in a recorded interview. his election rivaljoe biden has accused mr trump of knowingly and willingly lying to the american people. senior uk ministers will hold emergency talks with eu officials today about the government's plan to override parts of the brexit withdrawal agreement. borisjohnson has urged mps to support the bill but some senior conservatives have warned that trust in the uk will be damaged if the plans go ahead. the eu wants urgent clarification on what the legislation could mean for the brexit deal. joining me now from brussels is our correspondent, nick beake. good morning to you. we have the vice president of the european
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commission meeting michael gove today and i get the feeling that he does not just want to today and i get the feeling that he does notjust want to hear what michael gove has to say, he needs to see his eyes when he saying it. yes, i think you're absolutely right. if you look at the response we have had from the european commission, visually, they have talked about their strong concerns over what the british side is proposing, but talking to people privately in brussels and they use words like flabbergasted, stunned, shocked. the suggestion that the divorce deal agreed last year might be in tatters, even if the british government insists it is tinkering around the edges and tying up loose ends. i think this meeting will be important for the eu's side when it happens later this afternoon in london, and i think in particular they will want to hear from michael gove what it means for northern ireland and what it potentially means for the peace process. so, yes, a real keenness on the eu side to hear more from london. what does
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all of that mean for the trade talks? will it be a really difficult atmosphere for those trade talks to continue in? i think they have certainly soured them. i was talking to someone closely involved with them on the eu side and they said, yes, actually, they remain pretty cordial but it was a weird atmosphere because they were looking atmosphere because they were looking at the nuts and bolts of the trade deal but the bigger picture, the shadow, the cloud hanging over this was the fact that boris johnson said no deal would actually represent quite a good thing for the british and that the uk could prosper mightily if there is no trade deal done. so that has certainly changed the dynamics. there is a big meeting today alongside another meeting we are talking about between david frost, the lead negotiator, and michel barnier, the eu chief negotiator which is taking place this afternoon and you would imagine that that would be pretty tense as they try to work out where the trade
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deals go from here. nick, thank you very much. network rail‘s interim report on the stonehaven rail crash has been published this morning. it found that the train, which derailed nearly a month ago in aberdeenshire, struck a pile of washed—out rock and gravel before derailing. it sets out plans to assess thousands of miles of sloped ground beside railway tracks to reduce the risk of landslips in the future. from elephants in africa to the turtles of costa rica — populations of animals across the world are falling at a rapid rate according to a new report. the wwf says the nature around us in "freefall" due to human activity. our environment and rural affairs correspondent claire marshall reports. wildlife is dying out at a rate which has never been seen before in human history. from the arctic to the warm seas of the caribbean, to the gardens of britain, it's happening faster than all the predictions and its global.
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the living planet report carried out every two years assesses more than 20,000 creatures all around the world, species in all groups of animals on every continent are being lost. what we have seen is a wholesale destruction of some of our most important natural assets in the space of one human lifetime, 50 years. and this is a trend only increasing and accelerating and that's why we have to stop now and start to address it. intensive agriculture is one of the key drivers. these are huge banana plantations in ghana and its a monoculture. wildlife is being driven out, so people around the world can eat the fruit whenever they like. it's the same story elsewhere. in the amazon, a football pitch of rainforest is lost every minute, cleared as grazing for beef cattle
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and to plant soy which goes into animal feed. and a third of their food produced in the world for human consumption is lost or wasted. but it is possible for food to be intensively produced working with nature and that's what's happening here in wiltshire. it's a very good hunting ground for birds of prey. this farm isn't organic but still a haven for wildlife. the grey partridge, here filmed in a different location, has declined by 85% since 1970 but is thriving on his farm. it's a nice wildlife habitat. he believes agriculture has to be balanced with nature. if we have no fertility in our soil, if we have poor air quality, if we have poor water quality then we are not going to have high yields of crops and we are not going to have healthy animals and healthy food and that directly feeds through to people. oil pours from a tanker shipwrecked
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off mauritius last month. this is about people destroying systems that we ourselves depend on rather than just wildlife. humans are managing nature for their own benefit, whether it's for grazing animals orfor building on and it's having a dramatic impact all over the world. scientists say we can see this now by the pandemic we are living through. research suggests the emergence of covid—i9 could be linked to bats. we are fairly confident that the driving forces which have led to the spread of that virus came through a combination of expansion into habitats, illegal wildlife trade, the removal of wildlife, and we are going to see those threats increase, so we've had a clear warning that impacts on wildlife overseas directly affect us at home. but the report says we can stop and even repair the damage but it will need unprecedented conservation action and radical changes in how we produce and consume food. claire marshall, bbc news.
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a tax on frequent flyers and banning cars from city centres are among the climate change solutions members of the public have come up with, as part of the uk's first citizen's assembly on the environment. more than 100 people looked at the changes needed to cut greenhouse gas emissions to zero by 2050. our science correspondent rebecca morelle has more. our planet is heating up fast. with greenhouse gases causing temperatures to rise. now the uk's first climate assembly has a plan to tackle this. launched by sir david attenborough, the assembly brought together people from across the country to give their views on combating climate change. this report covers every aspect of our lives. it recommends stopping the sales of the most polluting cars. forfood, the suggestion is that we reduce the amounts of meat and dairy we need by up
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to 40% and the assembly members don't want to ban air travel, but they do say taxes should increase the further and more often we fly. leah, a student, and ibrahim, a gp, both took part. obviously we are a representation of the people and it's very important that the government listens because, as it's going now, climate change is a big issue and there's going to be big effects in my lifetime. there are also lots of little contributions that each person can do on a day—to—day basis and i would like to think that everyone as they look at this report will say, right, how can i as an individual improve my carbon emissions? energy was also looked at and offshore wind farms got the biggest backing while protecting forests and planting trees was also widely supported. the report has a vision for a greener future and will now be submitted to parliament. it should reveal which policies may or may not receive wider public support.
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rebecca morelle, bbc news. ronald "khalis" bell, a founder member of the soul—funk band kool and the gang, has died. he was 68. born in ohio, he started the band with his brother robert "kool" bell. their biggest hits include "celebration", "ladies night" and "jungle boogie". ronald died at his home in the us virgin islands. the cause of death hasn't been specified. now it's time for a look at the weather. hi there. good morning to you. it's not bad out there at the moment across the country. a bit of a chilly start, admittedly but temperatures on the rise now the sun is out across the uk. the best of the sunshine is the further east you are an cloud will build up through
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the day and in the west the cloud could be thick enough or isolated showers but there will be more developing across the highlands of scotla nd developing across the highlands of scotland later. we have lost the humid airof scotland later. we have lost the humid air of recent daiso temperatures around 19 or 20 —— of recent days. an isolated light shower in the west on the same in northern ireland but whilst parts of eastern scotland stay dry and turn cloudy, the western half of scotland sees more in the way of showers and they become a bit heavy and the breeze picks up so rather cool here at between 11 or 13 degrees. the showers are replaced by longer spells of rain in the morning the most of them dry, clear skies, lighter winds further south so it's across england where the lowest temperatures will be, down into single figures in the countryside and the rain in scotland and northern ireland will push south by the time we get to tomorrow afternoon, as far south as the north of england.
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hello, this is bbc news. the headlines. calls for a huge increase in covid testing. operation moonshot aims to do ten million daily tests by early next year. senior uk ministers will hold emergency talks with eu officials later over the government's plan to override parts of the brexit withdrawal agreement. a month on from the derailment in stonehaven in aberdeenshire,
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a report by network rail says there needs to be better use of technology to predict heavy rain on railways. wildlife populations are plummeting across the world according to a stark new report from the world wide fund for nature. tax frequent flyers and ban cars from city centres, just two ideas from the public to tackle climate change in the uk's first citizen's assembly on the environment. more on our top story now and the prime minister borisjohnson has warned "we must act" now to avoid another lockdown as cases of the virus continue to rise in england. because of this, the government has announced new guidelines — including the ‘rule of six‘, restricting gatherings to a maximum of six people — which will be enforceable by law from monday. he also outlined a ‘moonshot‘ plan
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to control the virus with mass testing possibly by next spring. these new rules have led to many questions about what that means for our day to day lives. we are nowjoined by virologist, professor chris smith who will try and make sense of these new changes for us. great new changes for us. to have as ever, chris. lots of great to have as ever, chris. lots of questions for you from our viewers and let's begin with with this from nick. how often would you have to take a rapid test to prove you are immune in order to live a free covid life as the pm describes? the test that he is outlining, to find out whether a person has the virus at that moment in time, this is not the same as immunity and we are not sure where we stand on immunity at the moment. we don't know how long, having had the virus, and a vaccine against the virus, is going to last. so what borisjohnson was outlining a press conference yesterday was some kind of programme
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yet to be revealed the details of which which will involve mass testing to look for people who actively have the infection at that moment in time. so, in other words, it will only tell you the time you ta ke it will only tell you the time you take the test are you infected? the aim would be and the rationale behind this is if i test you, if the tests as negative, then we will assume a negative test means a person doesn't have enough virus in dam on them coming out of them to infect a third party and therefore they can be regarded at that point in time as covid safe and could go into a venue such as a festival or a concert or even a restaurant or school in future. just to elaborate on this, there are a number of concerns around this, first of all and most fundamentally, that there is not a reliable test that can do this yet. that's right. he's talking about doing half a million tests a day possibly into the millions of tests per day and that's an upscale
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from about 150,000 per day but those tests are currently taking 48 hours and this would be there for new technology, tests which can deliver a result reliably within 20 minutes or 90 minutes. that's ambitious but technology is a wonderful thing. maybe they do know something most of us don't but we will have to wait and see. the next question is from steve. the prime minister says we shouldn't get a test if we don't have symptoms but if the steep rise in cases as amongst young people and they are often asymptomatic, surely it makes sense to get a test even if they are no symptoms? a lot of people have said if i'm going to visit elderly relatives or getting ona visit elderly relatives or getting on a flight, wouldn't it be public spirited and the right thing to do to get a test even if i don't think i'm displaying any symptoms of the moment? what we have learned since march is that unlike the flu, where a person who is infectious is
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infectious and has symptoms, and very significant proportion of people who have this new coronavirus don't have any symptoms at all or have symptoms which are so trivial that they dismiss them as of no consequence. that number may be as high as half or even two thirds of cases. therefore, it is helpful in certain circumstances to get a test. i think what the prime minister was getting out is in recent weeks we have seen a system come under load, so ifa have seen a system come under load, so if a person has a very low risk, isn't going to be going and seeing vulnerable people or infecting people, there less usefulness in them seeking a test that if someone is actually going to be at risk, has been exposed, potentially to a large group of people and will be exposed to other groups of people. under those circumstances there's more sensibility having a test, so i think they are trying to urge people to think and do i need to get a test and ifi to think and do i need to get a test and if i can make a reasoned
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judgment as to why it would be useful and of course go and get a test and if you have symptoms get a test and if you have symptoms get a test and if you have symptoms get a test and if you are contacted by the test, track and trace system get a test, track and trace system get a test, but if you are thinking i'll just get a test today, maybe do that another time because the system has been under quite a considerable load in recent weeks. the next question, lots of people have asked this one, chris, we will give you sarah's version. she says i'm a new mum with a 12—week—old baby, so our baby is included as one of the six people in the rule of six? as far as we know babies in utero, we are not counting them but once you got an individual who was outside the mums body, baby, then they count as an individual pa rt then they count as an individual part of the six. this is not specifically outlined in the guidelines, i did have a quick look this morning, because i was intrigued myself because somebody else asking the very same question so as far as we know that becomes an
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individual and therefore part of your six. interesting you had to search through to see if there was any specific information on that. this next question from peter, one that lots of people have been asking us today, our places of worship are exempt from the rule of six? this is actually specified and i think the church of england did issue a statement a couple of days ago because i think they were concerned that having opened up places of worship that perhaps that would then be snatched away again. as far as we know, an exemption has been made of places of worship and they may continue even though more than 30 people may use those venues. there are existing guidelines around how those venues will operate including face coverings and what you can and can't do but as far as we know, places of worship will continue to operate after monday. so some specific information on that. next
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it isjan, in a house of specific information on that. next it is jan, in a house of multiple occupancy where, for example, there are five tenants, this is treated as are five tenants, this is treated as a single household for isolation purposes, so i assume in respect of a new rule, it will only ever be possible to have one extra visitor in the house. is this correct? yes, if you live in a block of flats or a house divided up into flats, where each of the residences is an independent dwelling, it's different. those are independently judged to be households, but if you live in a shared occupancy place where you are a group of students living together and you are sharing facilities, you're not living in conditions any different from a family. they would bejudged to be a household and therefore capped at six. a multiple occupancy property would fall under the same umbrella i would fall under the same umbrella i would say, so if there's five of you you can have one visitor and that's your lot. so, jan, getting in touch
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with us, absolutely correct to say, yes, only one visitor in the house at any one time. from bob, if a maximum of 60 buchan meat indoors and outdoors for monday, how on will this work in restaurants and pubs? -- 60 this work in restaurants and pubs? —— 60 people can meet outdoors. this work in restaurants and pubs? -- 60 people can meet outdoors. they already covid safe and secure, these venues, so when you go into the venue, they will be legally required to ta ke venue, they will be legally required to take contact details of no more than six people will be able to meet under that roof at any one time, so you can go in as a group of six people, from multiple households, and this is the difference, because previously the rule was two households could go to a pub or a venue as households could go to a pub or a venue as the government dubbed them, and you could eat a meal. now you could have sex how cells come together with one representative of each household, so you have a group of six and they would be socially distance within that restaurant so
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the restaurant on the pub, wherever, they could have multiple groups of six as long as they are covid safe all under the one venue roof. does that, in your opinion as a scientist, increase the potential if you can have people from six different households increased the potential for the transmission of the virus if one person within that group of six coming from one of those households happens to have it? this is all about the balancing act. if you think of this as a seesaw, and if you load one side of the seesaw, you've got to balance it on the other, so on the one hand we are collecting information from these venues as to who is a dining there, keeping it for 21 days, therefore potentially facilitating test, track and trace, to make sure it is easy to pursue outbreaks. that will help. the other question is where do most of the transmission events occur? at the moment we know 80 or 90% happen
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in the domestic situation. these interventions are effectively really do bear down on the numbers of people getting together in the domestic setting, so that also helping to mitigate some of the outbreak potential of people getting together under one roof. so it's all a guessing game, this, based on the modelling into maths and numbers. we don't know all of the answers. but we are going to learn all the time and further adjustments may well have to be made this is an adjustment on an existing set of rules, as we have learned how things have worked. i suspect there will be more adjustments to come. why can't i need with more than six members of my family when my daughter works in a hotel and comes into contact with hundreds of people every day? well, there's a number of aspects to this. work is handled separately and dealt with separately compared with domestic life and settings. as i just mentioned, the vast majority of transmissions we are seeing occur in the domestic setting and that's to
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be expected, people sharing a living space, sharing air with each other, a lot of time with each other, and these are the factors which do influence the spread of a disease. in the workplace, there are additional rules and people are generally more cautious in the workplace compared to in the home setting. and so therefore there is more emphasis on people using various other defence mechanisms like face coverings, keeping their distance and so on in the workplace and so in that respect it's a balancing act again but, as we know, most of the transmissions occur domestically rather than in the work setting and that's why more intervention has been made in that setting at the moment to really deliver those big numbers we are seeing which are thought to underpin many of the outbreaks which have happened. i hope that answers your question, lynne. sam asks, we will talk to a guest in a little bio who ru ns talk to a guest in a little bio who runs an entertainment business which deals with a lot of children's birthday parties and events of that
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sort, our children's birthday parties are illegal from sort, our children's birthday parties are illegalfrom monday? tha nkfully parties are illegalfrom monday? thankfully not. since you can get individuals, six individuals from six different households under one roof from monday, you could have a small child's birthday party because you could get six kids together. how the parents are going to deal with the parents are going to deal with the drop off and pick off because you can't have more than six under one roof, that will take some marshalling, so perhaps a drop off at the gate or something or as i suggested earlier, remember children will be treated in the year groups asa will be treated in the year groups as a group set at the school could be persuaded to host a party that might be one reason for how you could have a slightly bigger group because they are within the same group and you could have the same party. that interesting thinking on that but you don't often hear the word children's birthday party and illegal in the same sentence, but a small birthday party on some careful marshalling of the drop—off and
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pick—up points. katie finally, given the rise in cases among the 17—21 —year—old age group, how safe is it to send this age group to all corners of the country to university? katie, remember arise isn't in absolute terms. if i had one case and it went up to two cases that would be a 100% rise, but still only two cases out of a very large number of people in the country. i'm using extremes of course, but in society, in the community at the moment, the number of cases are still very low. there are outbreaks in various places and rising rates, but the chances of a person going to university and having coronavirus this week and next week probably is very, very low indeed some of the moment it remains extremely low and that they need to be re—evaluated but at the moment we are comfortable that isn't going to translate into a mass export of virus all over the country because the amount of virus
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in society at the moment is very low. a number of universities are looking at carrying out their own frequent testing programmes. chris, thank you so much for your expertise and answering all those questions from our viewers. professor chris smith from university of cambridge. thank you, as ever, for sending in your questions to us. i hope those a nswe rs we re your questions to us. i hope those answers were useful and told you what you are looking find out. greece is in a race to find shelter for thousands of migrants, who were forced to flee an overcrowded camp on the island of lesbos that has been destroyed by fire. the blaze ripped through the moria camp late on tuesday, with a second fire wiping out any remaining tents on wednesday. mark lobel has the latest. hundreds of unaccompanied children leave for greece's mainland from theirfire ravaged camp on the island of lesbos.
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just as new fires began destroying parts of the camp that had been spared the initial onslaught. the greek government says the original fire was caused by protesters after 35 residents who had tested positive for coronavirus were isolated. strong winds then fanned the flames in a tinderbox where families crammed into a space meant to house just a quarter of the 13,000 men, women and children who were placed there. these new fires at europe's largest refugee camp have opened up old wounds. after afghanis, syrians and iraqis headed for a new life in europe, a deal struck four years ago with turkey has was meant to offer accommodation there. but the problem was pushed onto greek shores is the closest destination. and now look.
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the truth of the matter is that people on the greek island welcome the refugees years ago but after so many years of continuous flows, there has been a lot of fatigue in local communities. the german government is under pressure at home to a urgently house more migrants. demonstrators in berlin and frankfurt insist there is room. translation: the situation is such that the people there could simply come here to live normal lives instead of having to go to hell. that's why we are here, we are saying the city of frankfurt has a room and so does germany. angela merkel, who once opened the doors wide to migrants, is now more reluctant. she hopes this tragedy will give new impetus to the likes of poland, hungary and the czech republic to share the burden. for five years we've been saying this is untenable, why are we doing this to human beings? why aren't we finding some sort of solution for them on whether it's the mainland or other parts of europe? there are so many other options
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than the inhumanity which has befallen these people. and now another challenge. as the coronavirus pandemic pushes the problem of migration further into the open. could it also make it more difficult for economically strapped countries to open their borders and keep the pandemic at bay? mark lobel, bbc news. wildfires are continuing to burn out of control along parts of the west coast of the united states destroying hundreds of homes. smoke and ash have turned the sky orange in the city of san francisco and other parts of california, where 30 majorfires are burning. parts of the states of oregon and washington are also badly affected. for many older people, the long months of self—isolation during the height of the pandemic were made more bearable by the thought of spending some quality time with their grandchildren, once the lockdown was over. but new restrictions mean that's about to become a lot more
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difficult in england, particularly for larger families. tim muffett has been to meet some of those affected. like so many grandparents, isabel has found 2020 incredibly tough. how important is it to interact with your grandchildren? very. you are going to make her cry now. yes, it's very important. i don't see my grandchildren in suffolk very much because they are in suffolk and it's not always that easy. isabel's daughter lucy and her husband andy live in basingstoke. as lockdown restrictions have eased, she's been able to visit more often but from monday, for this family, gatherings involving more than one grandparent won't be possible. because they are a family of five, so to more people, that pushes it over the limit. and i think that's a great shame
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because the children enjoy seeing all of their relatives and for the moment that will have to stop. and i really do feel for all of those families that it's just not going to be able to happen again. hi, dad. yes, i'm good, thank you. lucy's dad trevor is exasperated at the actions of many younger people. do you think you are suffering because of the actions of maybe younger people who aren't taking the role seriously? most definitely. i've seen it first hand where i live here in stowmarket, i see gatherings of youngsters going up and down the street on a friday and saturday in the early hours. i always see groups coming back from the pubs or whatever, and they are all youngsters. and that's going to happen, so it is probably going to get worse before it gets better. what impact do you fear the restrictions can have on your family and your ability to see each other? it's necessary precautions to overcome the virus and i think
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everybody gets that and everyone should add and listen to the advice that the government has given us, but i think, you know, a lot of people aren't mentally prepared for this type of situation. you know, christmas, birthdays, family get—togethers, they are what fill your year and that's how you kind of build memories as a family, so without that there is quite a significant impact. i'm happy to crack on with any rules we need to adhere to to get rid of this virus, basically. i don't want my kids and my elder family members to be at any risk, so we are fine to just do it. jenny lives in york and has three young children. we are not happy about these changes at all. i'm feeling really frustrated and a little bit angry and ijust feel like the government has
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got its priorities on the economy and not families, and that's a real problem for me. we are just going to be isolated and stuck. grandparents really need to see them, so day to day, it will be massive, just completely change the way we live our lives at the moment. they are really worried about the youngest with her only being two, they are worried they will forget them and skype is not the same when you speak to them, and you know, she'sjust started getting back to being used to them and not being scared of them and thinking who is this stranger, and now we won't be able to see them in the same way and have the family meetings we have been having. so they are really worried about that part. from monday in england, the rule of six will kick in. gatherings of seven or more will not be allowed at peoples homes and many families will once again have to rethink the way they interact.
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can use a number of children have been taken to hospital with injuries after a school bus hit a railway bridge in winchester. we are told that the roof of the bus was taken com pletely that the roof of the bus was taken completely off and an air ambulance has been at the scene on well house lane in winchester. importantly, none of the injuries are life—threatening, although some are described as serious. others are walking wounded. we are told also pa rents a re currently walking wounded. we are told also parents are currently collecting children who attended henry beaufort school. a number of children taken to hospital with injuries, some of them serious, after a school bus hit a railway bridge in winchester, sharing the roof off the bus completely. more now on network rail's interim report on the stonehaven rail crash, which has been published this morning. it found that the train, which derailed nearly a month ago in aberdeenshire,
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‘struck a pile of washed—out rock and gravel before derailing'. our transport correspondent, tom burridge, is with me. tom, tell us more about the key points of this interim report. yes, this report is not really looking at the causes of the crash. that's going to be looked at in great detail by an independent investigation by the rail accident investigation by the rail accident investigation board. there are other investigations by the police and the rail regulator too. the report was commissioned by the department for transport, published by them, and carried out by network rail which manages the infrastructure around the railways and it is looking about two primary issues which have come out of the derailment in aberdeenshire. one is how can network rail better project extreme weather? there was heavy rainfall on that day before the train derailed. how can it use new technology to
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project whether at a local level and potentially if needs be suspend services in a local area if it is appropriate to do so? and the other broad area is also looking at how better network rail can manage and probably modify in the short term the earthworks. these are embankments, cuttings, adjacent to railways. in the aberdeenshire derailment, at the point of derailment, at the point of derailment, there was a very steep slope going down and a drainage system the other which will be part of the investigation carried out by the rail accident investigation board, so network rail is saying we have a huge number of these assets all around the country, thousands and thousands and thousands. we need to look at how we can better assess their safety and their risk in terms of being prone to land slippages if
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there is heavy rainfall. ok, do we think, tom, at this stage, the embankment and surrounding area played a role in the stonehaven crash? well, i mean, without prejudging the independent investigation, it is one of the fact is that they will be looking at. that drainage system, an interim report by the r aib, the independent investigation published a few weeks ago, identified that a drainage system and that appears at least to have been one of the factors which meant gravel and rocks spilled onto the track at the point of derailment. ok, thank you very much. time now for a look at the weather. hello. another burst of summer warmth on the horizon for many of you but for the time being, we are into slightly fresher spells of weather. a cool start to today but for most a dry day and it stays that day. for the rest of the day, as
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well. isolated showers in the west, but it's the north and west of scotla nd but it's the north and west of scotland where the main shamus will be. some of them becoming heavy in the afternoon as the breeze picks up. once you get breaks in the sunshine, feeling quite pleasant. not as humid as the south. 17—19. 11-13 in not as humid as the south. 17—19. 11—13 in the north of west of scotland. overnight, showers to begin with in western scotland but those showers eventually merge together and we'll see longer spells of rain tomorrow morning. the odd shower in northern ireland. many places dry on friday morning but a little on the cool side with temperatures in the countryside in single figures, especially the further south you are where the high—pressure system is there. low pressure in scotland and northern ireland pushing persistent rain through the morning through the west of scotland. heavy rains in northern ireland during the second half of the morning and the rain slicing through scotland and northern england in the afternoon which means it brightens up for sunshine and
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showers but a windy day. 13—15 miles an hour in the south. england and wales spending the bulk of the day dry. except north—west england and north—west wales as the rain arrives later. that pushes southwards at the start of the weekend but not much in the way of rain. a zone of thicker cloud and the odd isolated shower. england and wales start the day dry with sunshine. later in the day, in particular, we will see heavy and persistent rain arrived. temperatures similar to friday. starting to lift a little bit across the south. saturday night, persistent rain in scotland. minor flooding in the hills in the west to ta ke flooding in the hills in the west to take us into sunday. sunday, the rain returns later but as we go into the afternoon, glasgow, edinburgh, southwards, longer spells of sunshine and temperatures more widely into the 20s because as low pressure and high pressure switch position, we bring in a southerly wind which will give us a boost of
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late summer warmth. temperatures could peak in the south—east around 28 degrees. goodbye for now.
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this is bbc news with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. plans for a huge increase in covid testing in britain. operation moonshot aims to do ten million daily tests by early next year. the idea is to have a test which would be carried out at the location, a bit like a pregnancy test that provides a very quick result, and that would completely revolutionise things. senior uk ministers will hold emergency talks with eu officials later over the government's plan to override parts of the brexit withdrawal agreement. thousands of migrants desperately seek shelter after a camp on the greek island of lesbos was destroyed by fire. three people die as wildfires continue to rage in california,

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