katya, i look forward to your michel barnier doorstep next week. this is bbc news, laura set a very high standard today. the headlines: class dismissed. i shall love you and leave you both. microsoft says it has detected lovely to chat to you. and thwarted a series bye, katya. of cyberattacks from china, goodbye. 0k, bye—bye. russia and iran, which have well, it is pretty pants to say targeted november's us the least for people living presidential election. amongst those responsible in california, because there are the group accused are huge wildfires there, of hacking the 2016 us two and a half million presidential election. all three countries have previously denied acres ablaze, let us talk allegations of cyber—espionage. about what this means, what is the planet trying to tell us or not with our chief environment correspondent justin rowlett. hello, justin. hi, everyone, i hope i can do that. thousands of migrants i will do my best, anyway. it is a small brief. are spending a third night exactly. i like to give people a big billing when they come sleeping out in the open, on this podcast. hello. planet whisperer. well, actually, we know on the greek island of lesbos what the planet is telling after a fire destroyed us in california. their makeshift camp. it is very hot, because there authorities are investigating whether tuesday night's fires are these massive wildfires were started deliberately that are now covering two after covid—19 tests led to the isolation of 35 refugees and a half million hectares and they are calling it the nuclear winter there. yeah, there are these things called firenadoes, they are like tornadoes, the uk says it will not but with fire, caused withdraw controversial by the updraught from the fire. legislation that the european it is like 100 fires, commission has urged it to scrap. three of the five biggest fires the eu is now threatening to take legal action over ever in california history. never has so much of california burnt. the new brexit bill, across the whole of the western which includes a re—write on issues concerning united states, i think northern ireland. we are talking about something like 3.4 million hectares. these are numbers that are really hard to understand and i was going to bring in that kind of standard

measurement, which is wales but on this occasion, let's go with america, it is ten times, now on bbc news: newscast. california alone, ten times adam fleming, laura kuenssberg and chris mason chew over the size of new york the latest political news. city has burned down. an absolutely extraordinary scale and the fire, there are incredible shots of the fires, really amazing images of the fires, with this sky in san francisco, this kind of livid so there i was, adam, this orange colour. it looks kind of otherworldly, it looks like an alien galaxy, morning, waiting, waiting, it really is extraordinary. waiting, waiting, waiting some i mean, the pictures are like some kind of terrible, more and i kept thinking, you post—apocalyptic, sort of action film that are about to come around the doesn't look real. they don't look real, corner but you didn't. is that butjustin, can ijust check, because my old sparring partner you said ten times the size of new york city has already michel barnier was in town? burned? this is early in the fire season, normally california, the fires really get going yes. that meant that it was me, a bit later on in the season when these offshore winds come not you, who had to be door in, fanning the flames, it is quite windy there stepping him and asking him if at the moment, but yeah, he would be over so good as to this isn't even the worst time give a few words of the camera. of year for fires and this let me see how you did. mr follows a number of really bad fire seasons. i'm in, to put this in context, bunny, can you get a deal, as a california is in the 20th year way through this? is there a of what they are calling a mega—drought, a really way through this? is there a way through this? is there a exceptional period of dry weather. way through this. good do you think californians afternoon. very well. you have and people living in other states will look at turned this into a new didn't the terrible pictures of the fires and think, do i need such a big turned this into a new didn't turn up into a how did you car next time? do... or does it not work that way? laughs look, there is actually quite well. i would say strong a high level of recognition

of the fact of climate change questioning from you as you in america, much higher expect. thanks. strong, charm than people assume, often it is characterised as the people in america do not offensive from him. you said the first name to avoid care, or don't believe the link, but actually i think answering any questions. but a over 70% when polled say they do believe the link, new development, the facemasks so it is an exception not to be which means he can say is little or as much as he wants sceptical about it and this under their. and it makes it is unarguable, isn't it? you know, there is a huge fire, rather harder as a journalist these are unprecedented and you would have thought it to do, absolutely the right thing to do in a gram, scrum would galvanise people to say, situation but it does make it look, we need to do something about this. rather harderfor situation but it does make it rather harder for the clarity we saw trump a couple of days of your questioning to be understood. rhubarb. they may ago, celebrating his have been plenty of reasons by environmental credentials the end of the day to be saying in florida, so he clearly thinks, whatever you those kinds of naughty words. think of his position on environmental issues, he clearly thinks that there on this edition of newscast. are votes to be had in inverted commas, in environmentalism. 0k. now, at the other end of the planet in terms newscast from the bbc. of the temperature scale, you spent two months in antarctica, two months. such a long time. hello, it is at in the studio. we complain that we have to sit and watch a debate and laura in the same studio in parliament for two hours! two metres apart. and it is they said to me, you will definitely be back. i said, how long is catcher here in brussels, glad this going to take? tojoin you once again. and they said, listen, catcher here in brussels, glad one thing we can be certain of, to join you once again. once again, we have reunited the old

you will definitely be back by christmas. i did not get back until almost brexit cast going. not sure the end of january. it was unbelievable. where chris is. i think he's he we were delayed and delayed and delayed. you know, bad weather came in, is ok. just too many questions these are huge distances that you fly and the planes need probably. exactly, he is doing to be able to fly back, other programs. reunited again so you need open weather. because there are so much to it just took absolutely ages. talk about in the brexit it was the most unbelievable process or whatever you want to trip, i mean, an incredible talk about these days. should thing to have done, but yeah, we talk about the latest round pretty time—consuming. of trade talks which happen in christmas—related pledges london and seem to have gone are falling like dominoes this week, aren't they? disastrously? or the separate now, justin, we arejust going to play a clip of some but related negotiations of the of your reporting from antarctica where you introduced joint committee over the island us to a new concept protocol which has also gone in environmental reporting. spectacularly disastrously? where should we start? so much we have been out here for like, i don't know, an hour and a half, and this choice, so little time. the lovely thing about that as we is the result. check the snotscicles on this. know is that all of it is he squeals. intertwined so we can't talk about the trade negotiations was that sore? without talking about the divorce deal. i think that is what gets so confusing right fiow what gets so confusing right now when you're listening to the story, like, which still what was happening there, i was out in the cold, are we talking about? the divorce deal, the trade deal, reporting the storm that had blown in, we were in the middle what is going on? basically, there is a lot of brinkmanship of the west antarctic, trying to get down to the front going on. i think we can say of this epic glacier, this huge glacier the size

that, can't we? that the eu is of the uk in the western not ready to walk out the door. antarctic and the storm came and i think we can definitely in and i was reporting saying, look, the planes are all say after what happened today grounded, we cannot go anywhere with those different processes, and when you are out there, but the chances of a trade deal it is so cold, it was like —20 before the end of the year are or —30 celsius and obviously falling and falling quite fast. your nose runs a little in cold weather. i mean, people will be and the headline from today is familiar with that. obviously, if it is that cold that the eu, for the first time out there, whatever comes out in this whole long process, has of your nose freezes issued an ultimatum, a full on and there is a word for this in antarctic lore and they are ultimatum to the uk government, known as snotscicles and some saying drop your controversial plans to change the deal that rather extravagant snotscicles had appeared underneath my nose. was already done last year and and i shared that has only been put into law stop and if you don't do that, we might take you to court and if we don't do that, then there with the bbc audience. may be isn't any way we can continue the trade talks. the application of that, the application of that, the application of that is that it makes doing a deal by the end talking of mankind, mankind in the uk and people kind, of the year harder and harder we have had this citizen's and harder. of course, no—one assembly, which was a group of 108 members of the public wa nts and harder. of course, no—one wants them to come around and to represent all bits of the uk say, it's a off, because they and all walks of life, don't want to say that because they were brought together brinkmanship is the order of by some parliamentary select the day committees and they have just published this huge report about what the public wants when it comes to climate policies and it is things is important to note that like a ban on the sale because eu point of view, they of new petrol and diesel cars

by 2030 or 2035, using our cars tend not to be outspoken in less, improvements to public their statements. this is a transport, cheap buses, terse and angry statement they stop frequent flyers getting had from the eu. they wanted a air miles and my favourite one, speed up technological meeting from london to hear progress. laughter. what do you make of from the government, assurances the citizen's assembly, and guarantees. honestly, we justin? i think it is a really fascinating experiment. are going to respect that the idea is to get ordinary brexit deal in full, really we people, educate them, are regardless of this bill and they can invite the witnesses so on. are regardless of this bill and so on. and they didn't hear that they want to see, they invite them over that so they were crossed. but a period of i think, they did stop short of six weekends, they did this, threatening to press that 60 hours they committed to it, nuclear button on the talks. chosen at random from across the country, they could call partly because they still hope witnesses and hear what they had to say, that the government could do a what they thought the problem u—turn and dress it up however was and potential solutions they want and partly because and the idea is then for them to draw it altogether and suggest policies there are definitely many in to government. i think it is a fascinating of the government at least idea, a really good example trying to push them into a corner so that the eu of direct democracy, walks out the door on these getting people to kind trade negotiations first. so that the no deal risk of interact with it and, is as high as it has ever been, in a sense, like a really kind of useful tool for government and the brinkmanship as high as it has ever been as well. in that government can now say, we should rewind a bit and talk look, we have had a citizen's assembly and these guys said about the events of the day. we should do x, y and z and it one of the vice presidents gives them what you might of the commission, the body with the uk on it, where describe as a bit of political they are working out cover, but if you look at it from the other way, it is also the details of the a kind of stick that other implementation of the island people, you know, campaigners,

bit of the brexit deal, people who are concerned about the environment can beat which still leaves some bits the government with, to be ironed out say, look, you ask the people, they said these policies, many of which are more radical between the two sides. than the government policies, so it is also a way of pressuring the government he was coming over to sort out for change. bits of the brexit deal, justin, for a long time, and he wanted to get some clarification from i mean both are big political michael gove, and afterwards parties, both the big main he issued this statement political parties have always saying, you need to pull this paid a lot of lip service legislation either as soon as possible or certainly before to environmental policies, but it is often felt in westminster that actually, the end of this month, behind closed doors, politicians were sort of waiting for a moment which got this response from his opposite number, when they thought they would be michael gove. enough pressure from the public to do things that are radical or that would really make a difference. this government says they are doing a lot around green technology, there is a lot of chat around we are committed to this, hydrogen and the potential of that and kind of things, but from your point of view, and the vice president spending all your time looking suggested that we withdraw at these issues, how from the legislation, would you characterise actually and i suggested that we what the government is trying could not and would not, to do at the moment, and instead i stressed i suppose, on a scale of how the vital importance much change they are actually of reaching a joint prepared to drive or whether they are just saying some of the right things. i think a lot of the language we hear is very positive and good and i think the way agreement on this.

to look at this issue is to compare what is happening in the uk maybe with what other countries are doing, the ambition of other countries in other words, there is no way, right now, the government will ditch and i would say look at europe, the controversial bits that they want to change which has a 2 trillion euro in this law, and to give a bit plan for a kind of green of context if you haven't been recovery package, investing following it this week, hugely in charging for electric they are trying to do, cars, hydrogen network, that kind of thing and again, joe biden in america is talking they know it is controversial, about a 200 billion us dollar it is audacious, it is by stimulus package which again a cabinet minister's admission would invest huge amounts in the house of commons of money in all these kind on the public record, of environmental kind of solutions or attempts on the telly this week, to address the problem. a breach of international law, so they knew that this was going to be the nuclear option, and they knew too the scale of what the british government has committed that the eu would be very, to its much less. very cross, and they were we may hear more in the budget, waiting to see whether or not but at the moment there isn't the eu was going to take the same scale of commitment of resources for dealing with the problem as there the bait, and as katya is another countries and i think that is what i would say is the problem at the moment. you have been frozen was saying, they don't in antarctica, where is next want to give the uk the full on your list for other exciting satisfaction of saying it is all off, but they have biological adventures? responded in a very strong way, i would love to be and i don't know what that in california. i would love to be in means for the next few weeks.

can i ask you, laura, california, i would love to be something on behalf in brazil, notjust the amazon of the european union? burning, but other important not that you represent them! i definitely don't, ecosystems in brazil and indeed but i do have to ring around in argentina are burning, there are loads of lots of people and ask environmental stories to cover them what they think all over the world, siberia is going on what they are had its warmest spring ever, planning to do, and so often that was unquestionably attributed to climate change during the brexit process by a group of scientists they turn the question on me when they did an assessment, and say, what is the first time they had the government doing? been so clear on putting is this aimed at brexit backbenchers who were unhappy the fingerprint of climate with the government over other change on a weather event, things like over the summer if you like. exam chaos, trying to get them on side if they were worried about u—turns? is it to get power back there are loads of things to from the different countries inside the united kingdom come but we cannot go anywhere. when they repatriated ? i am lucky, i went to london is it for the eu to leave the talks? zoo today, that is as far is it to put pressure, to keep the withdrawal as i can go and that agreement but just get was lovely as well. to the eu being more flexible? justin, thank you very much. what is it all about is come back another time. that is all for this episode of newscast. what they are asking. we will be back with another number one, there is one very soon i think. genuinely a frustration i hope so. with what they see as eu definitely. goodbye. newscast, newscast, intransigence in the talks, newscast, from the bbc. whether whatever the bits you have the talks you are talking about, there was a genuine frustration that the eu still sees the uk as being part of their ambit and therefore not respecting that the uk has already left and can do what it wants, that would be part of the genuine view. secondly, there is a need

to genuinely also to prepare hello. some warmer weather on the way for many of us to end for what happens if there isn't a deal. the weekend, but also some there is going to have to be heavy rain over the weekend in parts of scotland. a piece of legislation always about what happened in fact, during thursday, between scotland, england, northern ireland and wales the rain clouds were gathering if there wasn't a deal, in scotland and northern so that is genuine. ireland for friday morning. some wet and windy weather on the way as this area of low pressure drives across the uk. this is how it looks number three, this is partly a product of a thing we have as we start the day. talked about for so long, the ambiguities in the arrangements for northern ireland that had to be done to actually be able to get this is where the rain will be sitting first a political agreement. there was always a fudge there, thing for the morning and much northern ireland was promised of the uk starting dry. unfettered access to the uk temperatures at their lowest but at the same time due to clear skies in the east they were having to follow and south—east of england. eu rules, and that is some rural spots, around a contradiction. it always makes me think five or six degrees. so through friday morning, of my maths teacher at school the wet weather will push south across scotland and northern ireland. some of the rain quite heavy who was quite scary, but by the afternoon, as you so, so shall you reap. unquestionably, part it's brightening up. a few blustery showers of this is a provocation with the sunshine from an administration that in northern loves poking the hornets nest, and western scotland. the rain reaching into northern and they want to be seen to be playing hardball england at this stage, because even if they end up substantial west of the

making a concession, they have done a lot of, pennines and into north wales, it's a blustery day wherever look how tough we are. you are, but particularly through northern england, northern ireland and scotland. these are average wind and if they don't end up gusts, a0 mph or so. making a concession, south of our rain and they have certainly band is mainly dry. warned people and business parts of eastern england seeing a few and the public and all hazy, sunny spells. the rest, brexiteers who might high temperatures 20, be impressed or former maybe 21 degrees. remainers who might be friday evening, a very narrow appalled, that it is band of rain makes it further slow progress through south very much the option. of wales and england. behind it is unclear spells katya, laura was making and further blustery showers the point that this has never into parts of northern ireland, looked so bad in the whole process since 2016. northern and western scotland. can you see a way that this a cooler night in eastern scotland and a milder night could be solved in a way that both sides are happy across much of england as the area of cloud on this weather front not much rain enough with? makes further slow progress southwards. yes. what i can't see getting resolved, if that happens, and i think the hole for that still around on saturday to happen is narrower, morning, still capable i don't see how this government of producing a few showers gets over the fact that it or a few spots of rain. don't be surprised stood there and said, if you encounter this. yes, we are going to still a few showers in northern break international law. ireland towards northern i think in many circles that is now going to stick and western scotland, still quite blustery here. in people's minds. many places with a dry saturday i think you have to take in many places with broken cloud the eu's assertion now that and sunny spells. temperatures for the most part

you are undermining trust and we need trust into the mid to high teens. for the trade deal. this area of rain will push yes, good relations between two in towards northern ireland sides when you negotiate and scotland as we go a trade deal goes a long way, through saturday night. particularly in scotland but the eu is a big beast on the stage of making trade deals. saturday to sunday and it does not do trade deals on trust, and it is trying especially in the hills to do a trade deal with the us, of the west it is looking very definitely doesn't trust wet. some spots may end up with over donald trump and his 100 mm of rain bringing a risk of flooding. elsewhere on sunday, administration. a surge of sunshine and warmth coming from the south which will continue into monday. that's your forecast. bye— bye. and also there was very little trust in this government anyway. so i think you can put that to the one side, because the eu still want to deal with this government with the united kingdom. what they would need, they would need, the government, to take out those bits of legislation, they wonder, is this bill designed to fail in the house of lords and therefore it doesn't come to pass? welcome to bbc news — if that is the case, i'm rich preston. can you solve some of these our top stories: issues in the joint committee microsoft says it's thwarted that you are explaining there, a series of cyberattacks adam? from china, russia and iran,

and i say this because, targeting the us presidential for example, the uk wants election in november. to keep its internal market thousands of migrants intact, and doesn't want are spending a third night northern irish businesses sleeping out in the open to have to sign customs forms and declarations formed when they are exporting on the greek island of lesbos. from northern ireland into the rest of the uk. the eu is not that bothered about that. so is there some kind of flexibility that could be worked in? homes, livelihoods gone in an but here is the first insta nt. homes, livelihoods gone in an instant. it's like a bomb has thing, can i ask this. hit this entire area. the boss of one of the world's you say the eu is not that bothered about that kind biggest mining companies, of form filling in declarations rio tinto, has resigned over the destruction of a sacred for things going from aboriginal site in western australia. northern ireland into gb, at least seven people are dead but that is one of the things after a hundred wildfires rip through the us west coast the uk has been saying for ages, we don't want to do it. and they have never accepted that they ought to have to do so are you mr bond? it, but the eu has tried to insist on it, but if the eu isn't that bothered, why are they insisting on it? that is the kind of thing that winds up uk ministers. they are not at the end of the joint committee process. when you think of all the tools that are deployed by these people over all the years of us doing this, can you not see a situation where threat is made, threat has just been made, pressure is applied in process, perhaps some meetings, come up with the compromise permission, two out of the three

things the uk wants, it gets, and then something is done in parliament, either an amendment to this internal market bill on the 29th of october or a letter sent between london and with some assertions, assurances and stuff, that the problem is solved and everyone gets the drama and everyone gets the solution. so cynical from one still so young and freshfaced. but here's the thing, i think the government might be in big trouble in parliament over this. a lot of this is very familiar in terms of the dance between, the angry dance, not so much diplomatic but kind of angry, like an angry thrash, it is like a thrash, i don't know, anyway. i have been talking to people in parliament talking about whether or not this is going to get through, and the chances of it getting through the house of lords are right now zilch,

notjust because of that liberal lawyers, but because of people like this. does my noble and learned friend not understand the damage done to our reputation for probity and respect for the rule of law by those five words uttered by his ministerial colleague in another place on tuesday, words which i never thought i would hear uttered by a british minister, far less a conservative minister? how can we reproach russia or china or iran when their conduct falls below internationally accepted standards when we are showing such scant regard for our treaty obligations? and how could you not recognise that voice, lord michael howard, one of severalformer conservative party leaders who have said a similar thing to the government this week. and a brexiteer, not somebody who could be portrayed as any way a london remainer

lawyer which might be the standard response you would get to this administration on this kind of criticism, and i know there is rebellion in the house of commons, partly because of those remarks made by brandon lewis admitting this would breach international law, and a former cabinet minister and member of the privy council said to me, how is privy council could i or any of the other many privy counsellors be able to vote for something that the government has admitted breaching international law, so i think soon we will see a flurry of amendments. it was suggested to me by somebody in the government that what will happen is that the lords will reject it, it will go back to the commons, they will be a bit of ping—pong, but i'm not sure, and other ministers suggested to me that it might not go through the commons, i'm not sure that the government is going to be able to get what they want. we will see. and we will get the first sign

next week because it will have its second red in which is kind of like its first red in if you watch it like a human being, so we will find out next weekjust how many people might be for or against it. and provocative too, because the government in classic style is trying to ram it through at 100 mph. so if you like brexit stand—offs and excitement and drama, as we all do... this may be the best one yet! while we have all been talking, michel barnier has been doorstepped again by neither of us! one rule — trust and confidence will be key. typical barnier, asked for one word and then he says six. trust and confidence will be key. which is more than one word, but behind the mask, a bit muffled, but that is what it was. right now it is more like fear and loathing between the two sides, isn't it, but i have trust and confidence in both of you and our lovely newscasters for sure. that is the one thing to be certain of. katya, very quickly, while we have got you, michel barnier also put out a statement this evening, just summing up how round eight of the trade negotiations went. it is notjust trade, it is some other things as well. what would you pick out of that for us?

it was pants. laughter. what, they are negotiating over pants? i have got to challenge assumptions, you thought i was going to wang on for hours there, no, it was why i referred earlier to this huge pile of issues still unresolved between the two sides, because barnier lists... a huge pile of pants. a final statement from frost, we have agreed to meet in brussels again next week. oh, the rattling sabres and the 00:17:40,906 --> 4294966103:13:29,430 smoke and mirrors. let's see.