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protect the internal workings of our united kingdom. that's responsible government. concern from care home providers, over access to the government's coronavirus testing programme, as infections rise. a stretch of the ms has been closed in gloucestershire after a serious collision involving several vehicles. the husband of nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe — the british—iranian woman jailed for spying in iran — says there's a "confusing game" going on between 2 governments, and that it's taking a toll on her. all along, this has been a game of cat and mouse between the iranian authorities and the british government, and they are using her as leverage to get the money, and that has been true for a long time. that was certainly true this past week. sue barker is leaving the bbc‘s a question of sport after 23 years — as part of a major shake—up at the programme. 17,000 people have been participating in a virtual version of the great north run, which was cancelled
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because of the pandemic. hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me arejoe twyman — the co—founder and director of deltapoll uk — and the broadcaster, yasmin alibhai—brown. hello to both of you. first, a quick look through tomorrow's front pages. final virus warning — a sombre headline on the frontpage of the mirror, with medics warning that a new coronavirus peak is inevitable within the coming months if improvements aren't made to the track and trace system. meanwhile the paper says ministers are considering telling 4.5 million people to shield.
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the independent says the party's over — with a picture of revellers on the streets of soho ahead of a new lan banning gatherings of more than six from tomorrow. meanwhile, on the metro, the tale of a student who was fined £10,000 for organising a party that broke existing covid rules — he says he invited 25 people but it's reported that more than 50 partygoers turned up to the house in lenton, nottingham. gps are being told that they must see patients "face to face". reports the front page of the telegraph. the paper says a letter to every gp in the country, following growing concern that too many patients are "shut out" from surgeries. 0n the front page of the daily mail, figures showing the impact of the pandemic on hospital admissions — with reports that during lockdown,
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admissionns for seven major illnesses were down by 173,000 compared to the same time last year. for cancer alone, admissions were down by 137,000. elsewhere, thethe financial times reports that bp is warning that global oil demand could peak within the next few years, signalling a decline in the fossil fuel era earlier than anticipated. 0k, ok, so let's start our chat. joe, yasmin, lovely to see you both. i was wondering if you could pick us —— kick us off with the front page of the guardian, the showdown for tomorrow morning. was it me orjoe? the showdown for tomorrow morning. was it me orjoe? yourself, yasmin. the guardian front page, the big story on sunday has been this build—up, i suppose, story on sunday has been this build—up, isuppose, of story on sunday has been this build—up, i suppose, of what's going to happen with the brexit bill and
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the guardian is kind of picking up the guardian is kind of picking up the story that there is internal dissent now, internal to the tory party, the justice dissent now, internal to the tory party, thejustice secretary dissent now, internal to the tory party, the justice secretary was dissent now, internal to the tory party, thejustice secretary was on the andrew mar show saying at one point that's, you know, if it reaches a point, he is a lawyer, where he is a lawyer cannot supports the breaking of international law, then he would resign. he said that quite reluctantly, but nevertheless, there is a kind of growing despair, i think among borisjohnson supporters, but here is my prediction. it will be all right on the night for boris johnson. prediction. it will be all right on the night for borisjohnson. it a lwa ys the night for borisjohnson. it always is. joe, would you agree with that? well, i think with the majority of 80, you have to have quite significant backbench dissent and then backbench rebellion for it to actually make a difference, so to
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a degree, i think this bill will pass, but i think this is really only the beginning of the difficulties that we have around brexit. already we have seen over this weekend both sides blaming one another, both sides accusing the other of misleading the public. this is going to get extremely messy over the next few weeks and months, and there is no guarantee as things stand at the moment that the outcome will be a positive one for anybody who is involved. quite how the public then responds to that will be an extremely interesting question, because what we are seeing so far is that your view of this whole situation, if indeed you have a view, which most people probably don't, if you do have a view, it's very much influenced by your view on exit generally, and brexiters generally speaking are in favour of what the government is doing and those that wish to remain are against it, but having said that's, we have had, tonight, for instance,
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people like geoffrey cox, the former attorney—general and former brexiteer who said that he would abstain in this bill. of course, abstaining is one think i'm actually voting against it as another, and as i say if you've got another majority of 80 community a lot of people to vote against it. we will stay with the brexit bill enter into the front page of the this obviously following the commons made by thejustice secretary earlier today on the andrew mar show, saying that he will quit if there is an unacceptable breach of international law. what do you think unacceptable would look like, yasmin? you knowl don't know. he isa like, yasmin? you knowl don't know. he is a lawyer, swear to abide by the rule of law as did several others, as did our attorney—general, andi others, as did our attorney—general, and i don't know whether one can set 1's own definitions of what is a cce pta ble 1's own definitions of what is acceptable if you are a qualified
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barrister. you know, you cannot trim the law to suit a political purpose. soi the law to suit a political purpose. so i don't know. he will get onside. of course, he will. but i think what a lot of people in the lords and of course people likejohn major, even michael howard who is quite a rabid brexiteer have expressed unease about office. it's not about brexit any more, i think this is about how far british people are willing to let their ancient democracy and its pillars be crashed, trashed. that's what we're talking about here now. yasmin commutes on very resigned over the. i am. i am. yasmin commutes on very resigned over the. lam. iam. well yasmin commutes on very resigned over the. i am. i am. well done for picking it up. ifeel we over the. i am. i am. well done for picking it up. i feel we are, over the. i am. i am. well done for picking it up. ifeel we are, you know, the brexit thing is almost a sideshow that the judiciary, the rule of law, you know, the media,
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everything that maintains a democracy is now just everything that maintains a democracy is nowjust being kicked aside. we will not recognise this country's system in ten years time, and that really breaks my heart. echo to come i will put a spin on this, a lot of people have compared the strategy taken by borisjohnson with that going on across the atla ntic with that going on across the atlantic and that of president trump, you think he has learned lessons there and he's just going through whatever he wants? sorry, could i just put through whatever he wants? sorry, could ijust put that through whatever he wants? sorry, could i just put that to joe, sorry. i would say that that is one interpretation, but i think it's inevitably more complicated than that, what would they talk about if it was an unacceptable breach of international law, but he hasn't justified what would be an a cce pta ble justified what would be an acceptable breach. in the united states, donald trump tore up the
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international act regarding iranian sanctions and the whole nuclear weapons treaty, was that's an a cce pta ble weapons treaty, was that's an acceptable or unacceptable breach in robert buckland's eyes, we don't know, but donald trump certainly thinks it was reasonable. 0f know, but donald trump certainly thinks it was reasonable. of course, it's worth pointing out that negotiations are never presented as easy. i think if it's got to the la st easy. i think if it's got to the last minute in december and everyone decided that this has been a relatively straightforward process, fio relatively straightforward process, no one would have gone home happy. it's in everyone's interest, but particularly in the interest of borisjohnson and particularly in the interest of boris johnson and his administration to make these negotiations look as difficult as possible, and in turn, to make him and his team look as strong as possible that is in their interest. they want people to perceive them in that way, even if that isn't the reality. that is what they are searching to do. it would
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not surprise me if this whole thing is simply another particular stage of this game over brexit that we've been playing now for so long that point we will stick with your line there about reality, and still on there about reality, and still on the front page of the daily a hard reality for some withjob the front page of the daily a hard reality for some with job losses that could be the highest since the 90s. yes, i think the economic cost, i think we are already come i was talking to some economists that's, you know, we are already in the beginnings of a recession and the furlough scheme couldn't carry on forever. the economic cost and the job losses and what that will lead us job losses and what that will lead us to is i can't predict, i can't predict. we are entering the most chaotic historical period since the second world war, and i'm not sure
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we have a government that's capable of getting us through it. i'm not sure none of us know what's going to happen. they certainly don't. they are asjoe said, playing some kind of sophisticated game. it's unforgivable, really. joe? the knock on consequences of unforgivable, really. joe? the knock on consequences of covid—19 are really only beginning to be felt, really only beginning to be felt, really up until this point, a lot of concentration has been played to the health impacts, how many people are being admitted to hospitals, how many people are losing their lives? of course, the longer—term consequences of of course, the longer—term consequences of which the economy is just one part are only starting to be felt. every government department really is going to be in turmoil over the next few months, and potentially the next few years dealing with the knock on effects of this. we have seen the justice department for instance have a huge backlog of legal cases that need to
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be dealt with and can't be because of the crisis. we are seeing reports of the crisis. we are seeing reports of the crisis. we are seeing reports of the department of health and gps having trouble seeing patients face to face and also the number of people being admitted for serious illnesses that aren't covid related dropping through the floor compared to last year, and we only last month saw the impact of covid on the education system. the trouble with exam results for this year may be out of the way, but in 12 months' time, we are going to have the same problem as people who potentially have missed out on half of their a—levels come to set their exams. how the government departments deal with this is going to be extraordinarily difficult because there are no easy answers. 0k, slightly running out of time, but you have brought up covid, the front page of the daily mirror talks about a final virus worry so you might warning and heading into a second peak in the coming months if you don't sort out the test and trace,
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the prime minister starting up a system, but if we look at the front page of the daily mail, if you could head to that, yasmin, revealed, locked on blow to uk health. there are loads of things going on, but one thing has to be said, that testing and tracking promised world beating, do you remember? we are going to be world meeting, has been a catastrophic failure. it is such a failure we should feel ashamed as a country, and the daily mail says there is a backlog of all the other serious illnesses that require treatment and has been denied or delayed for a very long time, including you know, cancer, heart problems and so on. will the national health service be able to cope with the second peak, which many doctors i think a survey shows a huge number of doctors predicting
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this backlog. it's an unimaginable scenario for the national health service. yes, i'm going to take you to the front page of the express, please, joe. this front page, linked with what we were just talking about, lives at risk in cancer research cash crisis. these warnings have been sounding for months, haven't they? yes, that's right. charities across the board, not just medical charities, but all different types of cherries have faced a real funding crisis as a result of a drop in donations since the covid crisis began among cancer uk research workers, they could be losing up to 4000 researchers that need to take place. impact of that is enormous, 137,000 fewer people have admitted themselves for cancer treatment this year compared to last year because of covid. so the knock on impact of
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all of this whether it's on the research site or the treatment side is enormous, and how the hospitals and how the nhs generally deals with thatis and how the nhs generally deals with that is a question i don't think anyone has the answer to. lets go straight to the front page of the guardian, sentences were deadly drivers to be tougher. yes, but we have been here before. we have been here before. so it seems to be an obscurity to put on the front page. it's a recycled story. we have had this thing going on and on, so i don't quite get the point of it, but yes, that is the next cycle of let's be tougher on bad drivers. i think this is part of the discussion with robert buckland ona number of the discussion with robert buckland on a number of justice the discussion with robert buckland on a number ofjustice issues, joe, could you figure —— finish this up for us. people who get death by dangerous driving a certain circumstances are sentenced to 14 years, maximum of 14
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years, the suggestion is that they should be extended to life. i don't think it would help much in the way of serious objections from f and the members of the public, and indeed this was driven by campaigners and victims of this problem. yasmin,joe, i yasmin, joe, i shall see you again at 11:30 p:m.. for now, thank you very much indeed. thank you and for thank you for watching. up next, it's click. hey, welcome to click. hope you're doing 0k. if you've got kids, then i hope the whole back—to—school thing
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is going as well as it can do. to be honest, here, it is a little bit like that. how's it going with you, lara? it's tricky, isn't it? i remember going back as a young child as though it was yesterday, when clearly it is not, and i think, as parents, we relive that experience through our children. yeah, we certainly do, we certainly do, and, let's face it, education is just going to feel different this year. it is also going to be different depending on the age of the kids. really young children will probably be asked to bubble within a year group. older children will be asked to follow stricter rules. and universities, well, they're facing a whole world of challenges. yes, they're getting set to reopen, and for many, there will be some in—person education, but the role of remote learning is going to be more important than ever. but for some courses, it's notjust about listening to a lecture — the practical is just as important. so i took a trip to an empty university science department, to see how virtual labs
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could transform education as we know it. let's go. please wear a lab coat before entering a lab. where's my lab coat? oh, there. most will be learning via a laptop, but, for some, virtual reality will place them in the experiment. and today, i get to be a science student. what type of molecule is shown in the picture above? i'll go for dna. you are a genius. i'm a genius! 0k, it was one question. i just want to press all the buttons. but not everything goes right first time. modules like this can let students learn about dangerous subjects safely. meanwhile, others let you bend the rules of reality. let's use an inverted microscope to have a look at some cells. i'm actually inside a cell, which is, of course, not something you could do in real life. weird. and the simulations give students
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access to expensive kit, that not all universities could afford. in real life, this microscope would cost around £150,000. at least this means more people can actually interact with this, albeit virtually. the vr experience was a bit glitchy, and another obvious issue is that not everyone has a vr headset. but for universities like this one, it's the pc version that's proving vital through the pandemic. 0bviously when covid came along, we wanted to bring the virtual lab into every student's home, in the context of an online seminar, where it's led by an academic, and they're asked questions, they're checked on their knowledge as they go through the workshop. globally, over1 million students have already accessed labster‘s tools, and the company says that the pandemic is accelerating adoption. as an example, the california community college system that has 2 million students, based on the urgent need,
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we entered a partnership with them in less than one month, and now they're rolling out to hundreds of thousands of students right away. whether donning a headset or on a screen, users could also do a spot of surgery, go on a field trip, or even visit mars. if you want to keep exploring the lab, feel free to do so. you can say hello to our iguana or have a look... there's a rodent. is that a mouse? 0k, there are some things i'd rather only see virtually. and learning through vr isn'tjust for students. professionals have been doing it too. 0mar mehtab's been finding out how the emergency services have been putting these to good use. with emergency services being stretched thin, and social distancing in place, it means face—to—face training isnt as easy as it used to be. but that doesn't mean that they can't still be trained. sure, people have been using video calling
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or slide presentations, but what about... virtual reality? first up, firefighting. vobling have created a platform where you can customise a fire. this extinguisher that they provide has been fitted with trackers to make it feel like you are operating a real one, and notjust a couple of controllers. but what about the more serious scenarios? rivr have created a way for firefighters to learn almost on the go. by filming 360—degree videos of big expensive set—ups, firefighters can put on a wireless headset, and go through the training as if they were there. now looking at this, i thought, isn't this just playing a video? how exactly can this be any more useful in virtual reality? simply, we can't get those venues on a day—to—day basis ‘cause
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we can'tjust set fire to buildings. that also costs us in the region of between £10,000—£15,000 at a time. so we ran a brief feedback session this morning, with the crews that actually attended the scenario, and a number of other people have seen it who didn't go, and they were really engaged, almost entering the scenario themselves, verbally talking about what they would do and how they do it. right, that is what is going on with firefighting. let's move on to health care. fundamental vr systems help train surgeons and nurses on how to perform certain tasks during procedures. by using haptic feedback through the tools, the user can feel how they are doing in the virtual procedure. is this on something, is it...am i touching something? no, it's in the air. and the system is also accredited which means it is also a way for some in health care to earn credits for their course. and their multi—user system means students can remotely patch in to virtual surgeries, to watch and learn — an alternative to traditional
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learning and examination. so the pandemic has just accelerated, in my view, a trend that was already taking place, and that is about being able to go 24 hours a day into a learning environment, now that they can't get into the operating room as easily as they used to, the numbers of cases are dramatically reduced. people don't want to come into hospital at the moment, and this is an opportunity to fill some of that gap. that's health care done. so, finally, let's look at the police. we went out to the police constabulary in derbyshire, where officers are learning how and when to use a taser in virtual reality. normally, you'd be taught in a room, where someone in a big blue padded suit would approach you with a rubber knife, and officers would use mock taser cartridges to subdue the bad guy, like this. but these cartridges are expensive, around £30 a pop, and being in a room in your workplace isn't
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exactly the same as a life—threatening scenario. so virtual reality company avrt have created a massive space using these sensor mats where officers can put on a headset and roam around a virtual environment. would you mind just stepping onto that side for me? they can be transported to a normal street, an alleyway or a rooftop, to create a more realistic feeling. and an instructor even adds a voice, so it feels as though you're dealing with a real person. and things got intense. put the weapon down, put the weapon down! stay on the floor, stay on the floor! stay on the floor, please! it highlights a few flaws that we have in sort of real—life training in terms of, obviously, people come to do a role play and there is somebody in a big blue suit, there's a taser suit, and it kind of gives people a precondition of what the things going to happen.
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so in the vr world, it's just nice that we can input certain scenarios we are not aware of. i completely mirror that. you do get fully submerged into the scenario which you don't think you will by putting something over your face and ears. but as soon as that headset goes on, and the headphones go on, you do get straight into it, and you forget about everyone else around you, and you just deal with what you're seeing. and it was time for me to give it a go, to test how immersive it really was, and see if it would affect whether i pulled the trigger or not. put the knife down, hey, take a step back! david, david, go back! hey, hey...david! drop the knife, drop the knife! david, stop, stop where you're standing! i've got a taser! do not get any closer, put the knife down! put it down! that don't feel good, honestly. honestly, i...twice, twice i've gone into that and i have purposely not fired this, and the third time i forced myself to fire it, forced myself, and i hated it, i knew i would hate it, and i did hate it.
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i really did feel stressed, and the instructors' personal responses to what i was saying piled even more pressure on me. i really did think about the gravity of actually firing that taser. i think that's enough, i think we've done enough now. yeah. we happy? cool there is, i think, an issue with trust between the public and the police force, and a lot of that is down to how force is deployed by the police force. there is a huge story that goes on, before the deployment of a weapon, before a weapon is even drawn, before any use of force is engaged. we can really capture, right from the start of that first interaction with someone, measure what sort of empathy we're getting from our police officers, and actually make officers accountable for the training of their decision—making process, right up to, and including, that use of force. but do these simulations actually
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help people to learn effectively? one of the research challenges is proving the effectiveness of the training. so you're training for a dangerous situation and making sure that transfers to real world is a challenge because you can't ethically or safely expose people to this dangerous situation, to see how well they perform. what i've seen in this area is that people have a tendency to be very excited about this technology, and perhaps not ask to see the evidence that it's effective. i think it should be used cautiously until we have the evidence to use it to a greater extent. so crossing from the real to the virtual world may seem like an obvious alternative to traditional training, but given how much is on the line with the work of these emergency services, and how new this all is, perhaps it's better to use virtual reality to complement, rather than replace, for now. that is it for the shortcut of click for this week. i'm afraid. plenty more in the full—length version, which is waiting
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for you right now on iplayer. and as ever, you can keep up with the team on social media. on youtube, instagram, facebook and twitter @bbcclick. thanks for watching, we'll see you soon. bye— bye. hello there. hot weather is on the way to england and wales for the next couple of days, but it's been rain that's been causing a bit of a headache in the northwest of scotland. this weather front stretching thousands of miles out into the atlantic has brought some very large rainfall totals — 130 mm of rain in parts of the highlands. that's caused some localised flooding. we've also had reports of a landslide on the a83 at the rest and be thankful. now, that rain is slowly going to turn a little bit later and patchy across the far northwest
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of the country overnight. elsewhere, it's a dry night with a lengthy clear spells, maybe an odd mist and fog patch forin some of the deeper river valleys. temperature is 10—14. now, tomorrow, any morning mist and fog clearing very quickly. lots of sunshine from the word go for most in england and wales, and it becomes very warm, if not hot. the north and west always a little bit more in the way of cloud, prone to seeing an odd spot of rain developing through the afternoon. temperatures 20 degrees across the north, but up to 30 in the southeast. similar temperatures around on tuesday before things turn much cooler for wednesday.
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