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this is bbc news with the latest headlines. a plan to protectjobs — the chancellor will unveil new measures to replace the furlogh scheme — a wage top up, and more business loans could be on the way. critics say it may come too late for some. we can't have this last—minute response again. we parted around wage support and today surround support for south isolators. we need to have much more future planning from the chancellor. the nhs covid—19 contact tracing app is now available in england and wales. anyone with a smartphone is being urged to download it. a screen will come up on your app and a notification saying that you have been in close contact with somebody with coronavirus and that you need to self—isolate.
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if you have any thoughts on what you'd like to hear from the chancellor or want to share your experience of using the new nhs contact tracing app get in touch with me on twitter at annita underscore mcveigh or with the hashtag bbc your questions. 600 people at glasgow university are self—isolating, after more than 120 students tested positive for coronavirus as freshers week ended. two police officers are shot during protests over a decision not to charge anyone with the death of black hospital worker breonna taylor. fleet street legend and former editor of the sunday times sir harold evans has died aged 92.
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hello and a very good morning to you. thank you forjoining us. the chancellor, rishi sunak, will today set out how the government plans to protectjobs after the current furlough scheme expires next month. he's expected to unveil a package of measures after warnings that new coronavirus restrictions could lead to mass redundancies this winter. it may include a extension to a vat cut for tourism and hospitality until the end of march. our political correspondent iain watson has this report. coronavirus has changed how we work, where we work and even if we are able to work at all. borisjohnson has said the furlough scheme has supported 12 millionjobs but it will be withdrawn at the end of next month. as coronavirus cases continue to rise, employers, unions and the opposition have called on the chancellor to extend or replace it. today, rishi sunak will set out how. the treasury have been studying
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schemes in germany and france where companies bring back staff on reduced hours. employers and the government both chip in to make up for some of the lost wages. the chancellor's also likely to extend schemes that make it easier for struggling firms to get vital loans. but there will also be a recognition and not everyjob can be protected. a universal scheme of the nature we've had so far is probably not sustainable beyond the end of october. what will matter now is targeting. and so what he's got to do is use the imagination that i think he has shown hitherto to make sure that the support is targeted on those businesses that can get through this crisis and be sustainable into the medium and longer term. this autumn‘s budget has been cancelled. that means there won't be any tax rises. even if the budget has been scrapped, it's important the chancellor signals what he's going to do to support britain's
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businesses and britain's workers and as well, as a successor to the furlough scheme, support for short—term work and he also needs to set out what we're going to do to invest in low carbon electricity, in building new houses, in building a public transport system that this country desperately needs and deserves. these are the things that are going to keep the british economy moving as we get through these next few difficult months with the coronavirus. labour is accusing the government of being slow to act. the party's leadership says they suggested the idea of wage subsidies more than a month ago. but for many people who are laid off from work and are fearful of furlough ending, any extra help from government is likely to be welcomed. iain watson, bbc news. in a moment we'll speak to our business correspondent ben thompson, but firstjessica parker is in westminsterfor us. good morning to you. first of all, the chancellor under pressure
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obviously to come up with something to follow on from the furlough scheme even before the announcement by the prime minister earlier this week of further measures, so what are we likely to get from him? there has been building pressure. opposition parties who have been suggesting the government needs to look ahead to be fellow scheme to support businesses, i think the pressure was ratcheted up on tuesday after borisjohnson announced the new set of measures and restrictions for england and other restrictions have been announced in other parts of the uk as well. i think what we are expecting today is some kind of wage subsidy scheme, the likes of which we have seen in countries like germany and france. but i think, as well, the background to this of course a huge strain on areas like the hospitality sector after those new restrictions were announced. clu bs new restrictions were announced. clubs and pubs and restaurants closing at 10p from this evening, only able to do table service, work
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from home advice meaning city centres, places where offices are, the business they will struggle once again. i think that's a thing which are spurring us again. i think that's a thing which are spurring us on again. i think that's a thing which are spurring us on today but opposition parties have been saying what happened so far is not enough. here is anneliese dodds. we think it is apparent to those industries directly impacted by the crisis cut that support. obviously we're just talking about hospitality and that's really important but also there are manyjobs are sadly who have already been lost, for example in advanced manufacturing where we really need to have a system of targeted wage support for the future. above all be can't have this last—minute response again. we've had it aroused wage support today, ran support for south isolators, we need to have future planning from the chancellor.m doesn't sound at least in the short term that we are going to hear anything about how this is going to
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be paid for, whateverform of this additional support takes. the government has been spending a lot of money in terms of propping up the economy. i think they would say they have come up with schemes running beyond the winding down of fellow, things like the kick—start scheme, thejob retention bonus, that kind of thing. you are right in terms of they are splashing the cash but how we will pay for that long term isn't yet clear, because the other thing we learned yesterday as there is not going to be an autumn budget. a budget where, potentially, economic and tax rises. it's not necessarily the case that's what they were going to do this year, given the fragile state of economy and there was political pressure from conservative backbenchers not to go down the line of tax rises but there was quite a lot of speculation about what the treasury may be looking at but those decisions certainly put off now. 0k. let's head over to ben now. then, we've been told rishi sunak is been
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thinking about creative and imaginative solutions for what might follow on from fellow, but what do you think is the minimum business and industry would like to see especially those sectors that have been disproportionately affected by this pandemic? yes, you are hearing there from jessica about some of the industries that have been so badly affected but particularly this would be aimed at hospitality, travel and tourism because we know that those are the industry is finding it so difficult to recover because of the new restrictions put in place. just this week the new restrictions coming into force today, the 10p closing requirement to offer only table service, wearing masks, and while those businesses can remain open, they are worried about what it means for their staffing levels and how many customers will come through the doors and so what they are saying is they need more support to keep staff on payrolls, even though they may be working less. there are suggestions for scheme will not be
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an extension of the furlough scheme but instead may be subsidising some of the hours people cannot work, so perhaps if you go into work for half of your normal hours, maybe the government with your employer will top up the rest of your earnings. that is a system which has been used across large parts of europe already. it predates the coronavirus crisis. there could be some sort of suggestion that may be one way to keep people on company books without making them redundant. we know that the furlough scheme expires at the end of october and so businesses need to give notice to their staff if they intend to lay them off. they got until october one to do that. and so there's very little time now for the chancellor to come up with a scheme keep employers happy and encourage them to keep staff on their payroll and prevent the unemployment rate rising significantly when the furlough scheme runs out. even so, expectations are unemployment in the uk could hit 10% before the end of the year. can ijust clarify
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uk could hit 10% before the end of the year. can i just clarify with you what the position is exactly with regards to loans that businesses may have taken out and the repayment of those loans? is there anybody there? yeah, i mean there anybody there? yeah, i mean there are also expecting to hear a little bit of news about whether that scheme will continue. you know that scheme will continue. you know that there have been emergency loans to get businesses through the worst because we know businesses need cash flow. that is based on people spending money, so they get the money in and then pay it out in rent and rates and staff costs and raw material costs and all of that ground to a halt. so many businesses i've spoken to recently have told me actually they order book is holding up actually they order book is holding up for now because they are fulfilling a lot of the orders they couldn't do during lockdown, but the real issue comes now towards the end of the year and the start of next year when they may find customers are less willing to put their hand in their pocket because they are a little short of cash. they are working fewer hours, maybe they've been made redundant. that's when things start to get sticky, a bit
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messy as far as they order book is concerned. so those loans you talk about could be the ones to help get them through. it pays for the bills due and help them meet their rent payments for the rest of the month for example and that could help them so we are for example and that could help them so we are expecting to hear more about that but already a lot of the banks offering these loans particularly to small businesses have said we are not expecting to get this money back because of the unprecedented nature of this pandemic that meant it's been so difficult for business just to get on and do what they do every day. it's been a tough time for them so some of that money may not be paid back. 0k, some of that money may not be paid back. ok, for the moment, ben thompson and jessica parker, thank you both are very much and we will be talking to a range of people today. we will talk to a range of voices and of course we will bring you that chancellor statement live a full rishi sunak is expected to
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address mps in the house of commons at around 11:16am and there will be full coverage here on bbc news are so do stay with us for that. 600 people at glasgow university are self—isolating, after more than 120 students tested positive for coronavirus. the outbreak has been linked to freshers week activities at two halls of residence. the university says it's providing advice to any student self—isolating, but warned that those breaking the rules faced disciplinary action, including suspension from their degree. the health secretary, matt hancock says the outbreak is worrying. of course i'm concerned about rising cases amongst people at university and younger people. for two reasons. the first is because, no matter what your age, even though you're much less likely to die of covid if you are younger, you can still get nana
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covid, meaning months and months of symptoms meaning it's hard to get out of bed in the morning, you can have aches and pains going on for months. the second reason is the more young people who get it the more young people who get it the more they spread it to older people. a coronavirus contact—tracing app has been finally launched in england and wales today after months of delays. it's being described as an important step forward by the health secretary matt hancock. anyone over the age of 16 is being asked to install the app on their smartphone. simonjones reports. the app will help us safely live our lives protecting you and others. an advertising campaign urging us to get the app and protect our loved ones. this is how it works. the app uses a bluetooth connection, once it's installed, if you come into close contact with others that will be recorded on your phone. then if you report through the app a positive test result, those who may
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have been close enough to be infected will be sent an anonymous alert they will be lead into south isolate. an early version didn't work and had to be scrapped despite being hailed as a potential game changer by the government in may. but now there's a new version. i've just downloaded the app, it's pretty quick to set up. the government says it is secure and will help keep us safe. but its success will very heavily depend on how many of us choose to use it. the government admits, though, there is a three in ten chance someone admits, though, there is a three in ten chance someone who was notified they are a high risk will actually be low risk but it is working to improve the accuracy. the app will also allow users to scan a code to register their details when they visit pubs and restaurants. scotland and northern ireland have already launched their own versions but the evidence so far suggests apps are only useful as an addition to effective tracing programmes staffed by people. simon jones, effective tracing programmes staffed by people. simonjones, bbc news. our technology correpondent,
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rory cellanjones, joins me now. he has the app on his phone. good morning to you, rory. take us through this. how do you download it, how easy do you think it is to use? it's pretty easy. new downloaded by going to either an apple phone, their app store or to the google play store is android unethical nhs covid—i9. when you login you are asked to give the first element of your postcode and thenit first element of your postcode and then it gives you information, i don't know if you can see it, that in my area, w 13, don't know if you can see it, that in my area, wis, the risk don't know if you can see it, that in my area, w 13, the risk level is medium. iget in my area, w 13, the risk level is medium. i get more information from... keep talking to us. hopefully we will get the picture back. somebody foolish from my
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offices trying to call me while i'm on air. are they not watching you? that's not good. this is not good. i am back. if leo is listening, stop phoning me. i'm on the television. yes, as i said, it has a number of features, telling you what the risk level is like. my level is medium right now. it allows you to scan, one of the crucial elements, using a qr code scanner when you go to a shop or a pub or restaurant and record your presence there. and it does not contact tracing for the bluetooth signal from your phone matches up with bluetooth signals from other people using the app, records if you get close then what if one who tests positive you get this alert telling you self—isolate.
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matt hancock has been talking about a whole range of issues this morning on various outlets. he's also been stressing that he wants everybody to download the app because it's good for the whole community. the app will help to find more contacts who we don't know about through normal contact tracing because if you think about it, if you test positive what happens right now is that you get called by a doctor from nhs test and trace, who asks you who you've been in close contact with and they then get called and told to self—isolate and offered the £500 if they are on low incomes. what the app can do is find the contacts that human contact tracers can't find. for instance, people you don't know because, in the example i gave, you've been sitting near them on public transport. that might be one example but there will be others. and therefore, it helps us to find more people who are at risk of having the virus and that's why
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downloading the app is good for you but also good for your loved ones, it's good for your community. a two—part question. hopefully his picture will come back again. we are having issues with out this morning. talk about technology. do you have to do be in the vicinity of someone who subsequently tests positive for a particular period of time before you are alerted via this app? talk to us about the handling of data collected on the app as well because obviously earlier in this process there were concerns about privacy, there were concerns about privacy, the use of data and so on. yes, so quite complicated. it uses a bluetooth system and there is a complicated recipe for determining what amounts to a significant
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contact. you have to rack up a number of points, be close enough to somebody and long enough period and later they get infected, so treating that recipe will happen i think over the coming months as they work out whether it's working properly. as for the data and privacy, well, we moved from a system where quite a lot of data would be collected to a decentralised system using a tool kit supplied by apple and google, which pretty well guarantees privacy. one of the issues is that there's so much privacy nobody will know they just will know theyjust hope when you get the notification you will take it seriously. 0k, thank you very much. thank you for battling through
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the technology issues as well. we got there didn't read? in a moment we'll have more on the app with professor christophe fraser, who's scientific advisor to the test and trace programme. but first let's return to our lead story and how the government plans to protectjobs. hannah essex is co—executive director of the british chambers of commerce. good to have you with us this morning. what would you like to see from the chancellor today? what do you think would be best forjobs in the economy? we have warned of a cliff edge businesses are facing when thejob retention cliff edge businesses are facing when the job retention scheme ends at the end of october but other schemes also come to an end. we've already seen grants have stopped in some local authorities, loan schemes due to come to an end, so what we need is action on two fronts, jobs and cash so the fellow scheme has saved a huge number ofjobs, phenomenal success in keeping people employed, rather than being made redundant during this difficult time. as businesses face difficult choices overwinter
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time. as businesses face difficult choices over winter about the kind of people they need to retain and the capacity they will have and the customers they will have, a successor to that scheme that will subsidise wages in some way will be really welcome. and also come an extension of the loan schemes so that businesses who haven't yet taken out those loans and are finding themselves facing a cash shortage, we know a third of businesses have less than three months worth of cash in reserves, they will have somewhere to go to get money to get them through this difficult winter. during recent discussions, we heard about targeted support, consideration of what businesses are considered to be sustainable and those that are not. do you think what the chancellor announced today will be something that takes a broader view of what might be sustainable, especially for jobs in sectors like tourism, travel and the arts? yes, it's a really difficult position he's in. the
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chancellor has always said he can't save every singlejob chancellor has always said he can't save every single job but we know the disruption we are seeing is temporary but what we don't know is when it will end, so we don't know when it will end, so we don't know when those businesses are going to get back up to their full capacity. those are the sectors hardest hit. whether a sectorial package for those businesses will come through today, we have to wait and see. but i think it will inevitably be some job loss coming soon in those sectors and whatever measure is put in place today, it will be about tapering and easing the way through the next few months, rather than continuing with live support which is what we had in the last few months. we heard the prime minister earlier this week use the expression a stitch in time in relation to curbing the transmission of coronavirus, we've heard today from the shadow chancellor saying that maybe this announcement from the chancellor is coming a bit too late. yes, the fellow scheme doesn't end
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until october, but people need to know what's coming up a little way ahead, don't they? do you think this is too late or do you think the timing is right? i think it would have been helpful for businesses to have been helpful for businesses to have a clearer sight for the october deadline coming and it's within the time frame businesses need if they are looking at redundancy processes, so are looking at redundancy processes, so it's timely in that sense. i think what would be great to see is what the next phases of restrictions we re what the next phases of restrictions were likely to face if the spread of the virus continues. which businesses will be impacted by that and what is the support package available to those businesses? if the announcement today doesn't go far enough and further restrictions come in, we want to see the chancellor remain open—minded to bring in further support packages, targeted at those most restricted over the coming months. 0k, thank you very much for your time today and your thoughts on that story. and just to let you know
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that at half past three on the bbc news channel, we'll answer your questions on brexit with 100 days to go to the end of the transition period. joining us will be our europe editor katya adler and business correspondent darshini david. send your questions using the hashtag #bbcyourquestions or email them using yourquestions@bbc.co.uk let's speak to professor christophe fraser, who's scientific advisor to the test and trace programme. thank you very much, professor, for joining us today on bbc news. tell us joining us today on bbc news. tell us about the app and how it works and what you think will be in terms of curbing the spread of the virus? soi of curbing the spread of the virus? so i think, you know, you could go out now and install the app, it's available, easy—to—use, we are in a
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difficult situation now, seeing the beginning of a second wave and i think that there is two points about this. it's within our power to stop it collectively but clearly we need to be doing a bit more than we are doing now so we need this additional social distancing. we need these measures and we need to bolster additional calls to help the contact tracing efforts over the app is really built around the user experience, data privacy, and solid epidemiology is, so we've seen outbreaks in venues and spread through close contacts and the app really addresses both of those things. with the qr scanning you get a notification if there is an outbreak associated with that particular venue, pub or restaurant, ora particular venue, pub or restaurant, or a shop, particular venue, pub or restaurant, ora shop, and particular venue, pub or restaurant, or a shop, and it also keeps track of the close contacts you had but in a way which is anonymous with the system supported by google and apple, so if you are one of your
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friends or close contacts gets infected you receive that notification. if you install it, you can protect your loved ones, protect your friends and colleagues, can protect your loved ones, protect yourfriends and colleagues, and can protect your loved ones, protect your friends and colleagues, and we all have somebody may be a bit more vulnerable and it reduces the chance of they are going to get infected. to that end, if i may interrupt, what percentage of the population do you think needs to be downloading and using this app for it to be effective, for it to make a difference? that's a national policy question. the answer is very straightforward. the more people who downloaded the better. but when you're making a choice about whether to download it, and i think you should, that decision is much more local. we know a lot of the people we are in contact with, people who are quite close to us, and actually you get a protective effect to your loved ones if you, your colleagues, your friends, your
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loved ones if you, your colleagues, yourfriends, yourfamily loved ones if you, your colleagues, your friends, your family install it. it's a very local effect in your neighbourhood. the health secretary said this morning when he was asked on that point how many people, what percentage of people should be downloading it to make it useful, is that i don't have a figure because there isn't one, and even if two people downloaded it's going to be useful but surely there must be a percentage of the population that needs to download it to really get it working properly. we have developed this, my team at the university of oxford together with google research, have detailed stimulations about how people interact and the structure of the social network and the nature of repeated contacts and what we found with simulations is that the more people downloaded, the bigger the effect during the second wave, so all the way through even starting from a very small percentage, every additional percentage of the population who install it you get a
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help to reduce the number of infections and it works together with a manual contact tracing and the testing and it really is also dependent notjust on how many people use it but adhering to the isolation instructions and partnering it with a social distancing, wearing a mask, clean hands, avoided crowded spaces. distancing, wearing a mask, clean hands, avoided crowded spacesm does dependence well on how public spirited anyone is who happens to get a notification. if they've got the app in the first place, one would hope that they are thinking that way, being public spirited and unselfish about it, but it does depend on people obeying the instructions because there is no compulsion on them to do so and how much do you think the app might be hampered by the wider issues in the test and tray system, the availability of testing and lab space to actually get results back to people? obviously as frustrating
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when things don't work as we want and obviously things happen that change peoples confidence. but i think none of us, irrespective of those issues, you know, want to have a second wave and will want to do things to protect ourselves and our loved ones. and also i think one thing that is not appreciated about contact tracing is its early warning system, so if you are contact traced, it helps you to stop infecting others, but if you are not infected of telling you the virus is circulating within your social network close by, so actually that instruction to isolate yourself and to reduce your contact during that time may help protect you in fact because if you have been contact traced as a result of contract with one person, the chances are that there are other people close by in
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your social network who may be infectious and who may not be symptomatic yet. so there is valuable information in that exposed a notification that you receive from a notification that you receive from a manual contact tracer or digital. 0k. a manual contact tracer or digital. ok. very good to hear your thoughts on that today. thank you so much for your time. now it's time for a look at the weather with matt taylor. good morning. i don't know about you, but i definitely had my raincoat on this morning, dark and wet as i left home for work, but how is the rest of the day looking?l bit more of it to come, to be honest, umbrella up, umbrella down for a lot of us in some thunderstorms around but not everywhere. we saw the coldest september morning since 1997 in parts of scotland and central and northern areas will be dry and sunny through the day and temperatures lifting up to between ten and 12
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degrees but the southern half of scotla nd degrees but the southern half of scotland and northern ireland, rain starting to push on in the next few hours and it will persist into the afternoon and if you are under the rain band it will only be around seven or 8 degrees and a big turnaround from the start of the week. quite across western england and brought on by a stiff breeze that could touch 60 miles an hour in the hours of silly and gales for a time in the english channel. through the night, the rain pushes south so showers across england and wales —— the isles of scilly. and another frosty night for southern scotland. but the next few days it will be cold, and the wind will ease but there will be dry weather developing as well.
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a wage top—up, and more business loans could be on the way. critics say it may come too late for some. the nhs covid—19 contact tracing app is now available in england and wales. anyone with a compatible smartphone is being urged to download it. 600 people at glasgow university are self—isolating, after more than 120 students tested positive for coronavirus as freshers week ended. two police officers are shot during protests over a decision not to charge anyone with the death of black hospital worker breonna taylor. fleet street legend and former editor of the sunday times sir harold evans has died aged 92. sport now, and mike bushell is at chesterfield football club this morning, one of england's more famous non—league clubs — and one potentially facing an uncertain future,
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mike. such worrying times and good morning. the national league season was due to start a week on saturday on the 3rd of october, on the understanding that some fans would be allowed into the ground. here, in this 10,500 capacity stadium they we re this 10,500 capacity stadium they were going to allow 3500 which would have kept the club going through the season because the season because have kept the club going through the season because the majority of the income for clubs at this level comes from the fans coming through the turnstiles. now the button has been pressed to pause the idea of fans coming back to stadiums and they have a dilemma. do they go ahead with the season, but how do they pay for the matches with no fans? or do they cancel the whole thing and another season is bypassed altogether. let's get the thoughts of the chief executive. the problem as well as you've already spent tens of thousands of pounds getting it ready and you were about to put
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tickets on sale and then suddenly it's all. yes, that's right. we were watching the bbc, an interview with michael gove and he suddenly announced that the government had put a pause on stadium spectators, so put a pause on stadium spectators, so that was about eight o'clock in the morning and we were due to sell the morning and we were due to sell the tickets at ten o'clock and we came straight down here and we had got fans who had started to queue. you'd already spent tens of thousands getting the stadium ready for the return, paying players, training in august again. how difficult is that? it's not easy with no income streams for some time and we also have great hospitality facilities overlooking the pitch and very little usage from that at the moment. that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon, we will do things with the restrictions around that, so it's notjust the football side of the income streams, it's the hospitality as well. there is a
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meeting by the national league board to make recommendations as to what they should do. what would you prefer? the season bypassed so you don't have the cost of staging matches or some package? we've got to play football. we've got players on contracts and we need a rescue package and we need the government to step in. the national league needs around £20 million, and we needs around £20 million, and we need that support. a football club isa need that support. a football club is a vibrant part, a cornerstone of its community, it's far more than just football. we've already been working with local authorities, derbyshire county council, chesterfield county council on how it can help with this community project. it is wider than playing foot ball project. it is wider than playing football and it's essential we get the money coming through. the national league as a whole needs around £3 million a month, and there are over 3000 people employed in the national league, itsjobs
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are over 3000 people employed in the national league, its jobs at stake. what do you think will happen? do you think some clubs will follow macclesfield out of existence? you think some clubs will follow macclesfield out of existence ?|j don't like to think about it that way, mike. it is such a part of the community. maybe it is inevitable from what people are telling me, that it may well be the case, but let's try not to think like that. let's think positive. what you need is some hollywood actors to come and step in. like what is happening at wrexham. well, one of the teams that chesterfield will play this season — if the national league starts of course — is wrexham, and they could be in line for a hollywood takeover. a warning that there is some flash photography coming up. the club have confirmed that movie star ryan reynolds is interested in investing money, alongside the american tv actor rob mcelhenney. the welsh side have been fan owned since 2011, and any potential takeover could mean £2 million being invested. the actors will put forward their vision for the club at a special general meeting.
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i've had several conversations with both rob and ryan, and they seem very down—to—earth, serious and confident people with lots of energy. so hopefully we'll hear more from them and we will move through the process and get something in front of our supporters. they will make a decision on whether they want to move from what we have to do, community owned into ownership under the guidance of rob and ryan. plenty of goals in the carabao cup last night. all the results and reaction on the bbc sport website and app. there was a huge win for newcastle united. they absolutely thumped the league two side morecombe 7—0 — strikerjoelinton with the pick of the goals. it's newcastle's biggest ever competitive win away from home.
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lewis hamilton's vowed to increase the number of black people in motor racing. the six—time formula one world champion has started a group to analyse the lack of diversity in the sport. hamilton is the first and so far the only black driver to race in formula 1, and has set his commission the target of identifying the "key barriers to the recruitment and progression of black people in uk motorsport" that's all for now. just to say there is a big meeting of the national league today. hopefully cheerier times at chesterfield head. there's concern changing government advice could have a devastating impact on some of the uk's biggest cities. after workers were encouraged to return to the office a month ago, they're now being told it's safer to work from home again. phil mackie reports from one of the worst affected cities, birmingham.
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packing everything away again. it's probably the last day in the office for a while. i didn't stay long. there will be no more bountiful staff at this pr agency who have just got used to seeing each other face—to—face again, but from dates back to working from home. i'm gutted because i feel i work best with people and you can bounce ideas off people a lot more and i'm quite social, so i do miss the social aspect of it. i feeli social, so i do miss the social aspect of it. i feel i didn't realise how much i missed it until i came back and now i realised i really missed this actually. being able to speak to alice about graphic design projects and look over her shoulder and say it is fine, without having to call or an e—mail, it makes life so much easier. this is how it looks at lunch time in what used to be a busy city centre. before coronavirus, tens of thousands of people would pile out of their offices for lunch or a coffee. now, in britain's second city, it's just a trickle. the bigger the city the bigger the
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problem. footfall in birmingham city centre is barely half what it was before the pandemic and a number of people who have returned to work in offices is just 15%. small businesses which thrived thanks to office workers are really struggling. before lockdown, there would have been up to nine people having their hair cut in the lunchtime rush, but today it was empty. itjust seems we have gone backwards. we have gone back to march, which was scary. we managed to come through that, and ijust don't think we can go through another period of time like we did early on in the year, really, to be honest with you. the city has weathered storms before. in the future is looking bright, but it's less certain now. we design the space to maximise engagement. this office was only opened injanuary and there are 20 staff we will continue to work from home, but it's not always easy. we are quite a
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young team and for many it's their firstjob and they are learning side by side with their experienced colleagues, so working remotely makes it more tricky. even for those who briefly returned to the office, it's time to sign off and pack up again. phil mackie, bbc news, birmingham. the chancellor, rishi sunak, is expected to announce new measures to support employers after the 52—billion pound furlough scheme ends next month. it's initial purpose was to support people's wages, and allow them to keep theirjobs, while expressly staying at home. without further support, economists are predicting mass redundancies. the new scheme is likely to take inspiration from the likes of france and germany by allowing employers to reduce workers' hours — rather than making them redundant — and helping top up their pay. with me is kenneth wright, co—owner of phoenix arts club, in the capital. john o'connell is the chief executive of the tax payers‘ alliance. and marsha vaknine is
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currently on furlough. thank you so much forjoining us today and i will begin by looking at this from the employee and employer perspective, so marcia, tell us about the furlough experience for you as an employee and how important that has been. it's been absolutely important. without the furlough scheme, personally we would not have survived. i have friends that have or will be made redundant and five friends that have been made redundant, so for us, i can't thank rishi sunak enough. i don't think any other government could have done better. for me, personally, it's been a worry free, up to now, experience. i think your wage is the only one coming into the house at the moment as well, so at the beginning, yes, huge relief to have that, but as we got closer to the
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october end of furlough deadline, i presume you've been worrying what comes next. totally. at the end of next month, i don't know what my future is. i was in that group that didn't get their pensions at 60, so i have to work longer. yes, it's very worrying. everything is very uncertain. up till now, my bosses have been quite transparent, but at the moment, we are not sure what is happening at the end of october, am i going back in november and things are changing rapidly as well. i can't work from home, so i would have to be in the office. lots in limbo for you, kenneth, as we mentioned, you are the co—owner of the phoenix art club in soho in london, so from the employer's perspective, what has the government support meant for you? no one goes into a business looking for a
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bailout. it hurts to have to see my business reliant on this support, but reliant it is, and the furlough scheme, although hastily cobbled together, perhaps could have been refined, has been a saviour, most certainly for my employees and has taken some of the burden of running a business off me, because you have to keep filling the pot and with reduced operating hours and a reduced operating hours and a reduced customer base, we simply don't have the ability to fund that ourselves. have you been able to hold onto all of your employees as things stand ? hold onto all of your employees as things stand? sadly, with the exception of one, my head chef, our most expensive asset, we couldn't make the numbers work. we have had to lose him and it's really hard getting chefs at the best of times, so getting chefs at the best of times, so it is with heavy heart that we had to make him redundant. and there is some doubt about other employees, because this has come a little late
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and it will all be in the detail. i'm not sure what we are going to hear this afternoon. you will be watching and listening closely, kenneth, and let's go tojohn, the chief executive of the taxpayers alliance, and i'm sure you've heard many, alliance, and i'm sure you've heard any alliance, and i'm sure you've heard many, many examples of that from kenneth. is this a little bit too late from the chancellor? would businesses and employees have benefited from having a little bit of certainty sooner than this? that would have been ideal but it's very difficult to criticise when things are so difficult to criticise when things are so fast moving, so fluid, so rapid. i think back in march when everyone was very uncertain about the severity of the virus, i think it was the right thing to do to roll out a blanket furlough scheme and it has saved a lot ofjobs but as we move into a different phase, a wage subsidy scheme similar to that in germany will probably be a better option and allow people to stay on
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the job and actually working as opposed to staying at home doing nothing and it would be cheaper for taxpayers in the long run because reports this morning say that a scheme of this type or cost 500 billion —— 500 million, so it allows people to keep theirjobs and retrain if necessary. the germany scheme you refer to, that cuts the work is ours and the government pays the worker a percentage of the money they have lost, and that can run for up they have lost, and that can run for up to 21 months in that particular instance. but other organisations like the tuc are calling for something much more generous, potentially. people could work a number of their normal hours and still qualify for help, and the tuc wa nt still qualify for help, and the tuc want people to be guaranteed 80% of their pay four hours lost, or 100% if they are on a minimum wage. what do you make of that particular model
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and suggestion? it would be nice but that imagines a dream world where taxpayer pockets are limitless. the cost of borrowing for the pandemic so cost of borrowing for the pandemic so far is around £320 billion according to a report this morning, so according to a report this morning, so why are we looking at the other side of the ledger? taxes and regulations that stop employers from retaining their staff in the way they would like to. why not a pause on employers national insurance? what about a furlough break on business rates? what about business rates that hinder people who create jobs? if we look at the other side of the ledger and accept that borrowing increases in the short term, we could do it through tax cuts as well as spending. what would you like to see? do you accept that furlough as it stands cannot continue, and what do you think might bea continue, and what do you think might be a good replacement for that? i think the german scheme seems to have work and will make
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less redundancies, so i think going forward , less redundancies, so i think going forward, that could be what the chancellor is going to say. it would be for anybody in my position 100% positive, so if that's what he's going to do, that's very, very promising for all of us. so it gives you a bit of certainty, doesn't it? evenif you a bit of certainty, doesn't it? even if you're working reduced hours, you know you will get a percentage of what you would have earned for the other hours, so you at least know what is coming in in a month. absolutely. i know that my job is kind of secure with that. i don't know about going forward, but we can only think a day at a time way in these very strange times, but that would be something that could give me and millions of others hope that we would not be made redundant and we can hang on in until it is over or make it through the next months. and kenneth, back to you, i'm sure you've read a little bit
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about these various options and schemes that other countries are using and suggestions from organisations in the uk. what do you wa nt to organisations in the uk. what do you want to hear from the chancellor this lunchtime? it would be good to hear something. you're absolutely right. we've had to rely on people like the federation of small businesses to try interpret or influence where government policy is going. it all seems to be left to the very last minute, and business, all business, has been sat on a knife edge constantly, from march. it's beginning to hurt a bit. we are not expecting bailout is all the time. we are working really hard behind the scenes to make our businesses work and make our customers safe, and it would be a bit useful now and again just to have a bit more advanced warning or being involved in what the government think we should be doing to make one of the most taxed industries, hospitality, in europe, you are going to rely on my industry to pay back all of these tax dollars
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when it ends, so we should be part of the discussion process, not waiting tentatively for an announcement. i'm just briefly, john, back to you, kenneth saying it would have been nice to be had happened sooner but lots of people have said that the furlough scheme has been one of the better executed parts of the government's response to coronavirus, so do you think a rishi sunak, he's not going to please all of the people, but do you think he will deliver something that will please most? i hope so. the furlough scheme was successful in a sense because it was quick, rapid, decisive and blanket across all sectors, so what he should not do todayis sectors, so what he should not do today is try and have too much pick and mix. he should have a blanket syste m and mix. he should have a blanket system that everybody understands. what i'd also say is when so much of taxpayer money is on the line, if
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any employers or rogue employers are found to abuse the scheme, the punishment should be severe because we are supposed to be in a national effort together. ok. thank you all very much for your thoughts on this today. if you want to get in touch with me about furlough or the covid—19 tracing up, you can do that on twitter. two police officers have been shot at a protest in the us city of louisville, after the decision not to charge anyone in connection with the death of the black woman breonna taylor. the 26—year—old hospital worker, was shot multiple times after police officers stormed her home in march. one officer has been charged, not with ms taylor's death, but with "wanton endangerment" forfiring into a neighbour's apartment. two other officers face no charges. donald trump has taken a swipe at meghan markle
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after she and prince harry urged americans to vote in the upcoming presidential election. the couple appeared to throw their support behind trump's rival —joe biden. in a recorded message, they asked voters to reject hate speech, with meghan calling november's election the "most important of our lifetime". the president told reporters he disliked her. i'm nota i'm not a fan of hers. and i would say this, and she probably has heard this, but i wish a lot of luck to harry, because he's going to need it. one of the most famous names injournalism, sir harold evans has died at the age of 92. married for almost a0 years to fellow journalist tina brown, evans forged a reputation as one of the most fearsome investigative writers of his time. our media editor amol rajan looks back at his life.
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harold evans in the early 1980s after he had left britain for america. on both sides of the atlantic, he achieved success as a brilliant journalist and editor, atlantic, he achieved success as a brilliantjournalist and editor, but his greatest triumph was to turn the sunday times into a campaigning newspaper. and his greatest campaign was that on behalf of victims of thalidomide. the paper when then increased compensation scored a landmark victory for freedom of press in the european court, to the editor's delight. tremendous, it's the most important judgment editor's delight. tremendous, it's the most importantjudgment not only for the freedom of the press, but the citizens right to know in england. the most distinguished group ofjudges england. the most distinguished group of judges have england. the most distinguished group ofjudges have told the british government to reform the laws and they have got to do it now. after 13 years, he was banged out by the sunday times printers. that measure the esteem they held me. rupert murdoch bought the paper and asked evans to edit the times but it did not work out. a year later he
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resigned claiming the proprietor would not give him the editorial independence he has promised. we found america more congenial, later becoming us citizens. the americans are enormously welcoming and open. you wouldn't get quite the same thing in london. by now, he was overshadowed in the public eye by his younger, more glamorous wife, tina brown. she was the fashionable and sometimes controversial editor first of vanity fair and then of the new yorker. they were a power couple. from the clinton white house down, they were at all the best parties. eventually harold evans was knighted, a fine journalist and editor who combined technical brilliance with a crusaders belief and the duty of the press to make the world a better place. harold evans, who's died at the age of 92. a number of cougars have been spotted strolling through the suburbs of the chilean capital, santiago. scientists say coronavirus lockdowns have embolded the cougars, who have been searching for food
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after years of drought in the andes. local zoo workers captured one cougar that became trapped in a neighbourhood garden. it was released back into the wild after a medical. time for a look at the weather. here is matt taylor. an interesting day so far. whilst many areas have seen an interesting day so far. whilst many areas have seen the umbrellas get a good work—out through the morning, over the north it was a cold and frosty start, the coldest toa cold and frosty start, the coldest to a september morning since 1997, -5 to a september morning since 1997, —5 and it could get close tonight. it's here where we stayed dry, sunny throughout and elsewhere we have a band of rain that will persist through the afternoon through parts of northern ireland, the far north of northern ireland, the far north of england and southern scotland on the showers continue to pack in across parts of england and wales, especially west and south and gale force winds around west cornwall and very blustery through the english channel. fewer showers toward central and eastern parts of england
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but you head north and there are more downpours, especially around the borders of scotland, around seven or 8 degrees and wet for parts of southern and eastern northern ireland but a bright and fine day for parts of scotland after the chilly start. we will see showers returning in the hebrides later and the rain that reaches the far south of scotla nd the rain that reaches the far south of scotland and northern ireland will push south, so many parts of england and wales will see rain overnight and it will stop the temperature dropping too much but this is the temperature in glasgow, two or three degrees, and in the countryside we could be below freezing again. as you go into friday, the big picture is the low pressure and it is to the east which means normally —— northerly winds will bring frequent showers and longer spells of rain in the easternmost counties of england, gales along the coast and further south we will see showers early in the day on the western fringes of western scotland, the far west of wales, into devon and cornwall and pushed down on the brisk wind which will make it feel rather chilly
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temperatures only between ten or 15. it should be 15 up to 19 this year, but colder along the eastern coast given the strength of the wind and it will remain windy as we go through friday night into saturday across eastern areas and at the same time an area of cloud and potential rain in the scilly isles or west cornwall before brightening up later. mostly on saturday we will have a dry day with plenty of sunshine, particular during the morning, a chance of some further rain at times in the eastern coast and feeling cold in the breeze once again. the breeze eases down through saturday night and through the weekend, get ready for chilly nights with a greater chance of frost, particularly in the north and the west.
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this is bbc news with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. a plan to protectjobs — the uk chancellor will unveil new measures to replace the furlogh scheme — a wage top up, and more business loans could be on the way. critics say it may come too late for some we can't have this kind of last—minute response again. we've had it around wage support. today it seems we had it around support for self—isolators. we need to have much more future planning from the chancellor. the nhs covid—19 contact tracing app is now available in england and wales — anyone with a compatible smartphone is being urged to download it. a screen will come up on your app and a notification saying that you have been in close contact with somebody with coronavirus and that you need to self—isolate. 600 people at glasgow university are self—isolating, after more
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