of europe's biggest and richest nation. this is bbc news. i'm mike embley bringing you special coverage of the first televised presidential debate between donald trump and joe biden. the two men are about to go head to head for 90 minutes in cleveland ohio. millions are watching. the two men about to lock horns in front of a small studio audience and tens of millions of people watching at home. president trump is expected to come under attack for his handling of the coronavirus pandemic — and the recent disclosures about his tax affairs. joe biden hasjust released his tax returns — but he will face challenges about how he would tackle law and order issues —

and his relationship with the left of the democratic party. will their performance swing any votes? we'll have analysis of the debate with the bbc‘s katty kay and laura trevlyan as well as amanda renteria, former national political director for hillary clinton in 2016 and republican strategist ron christie president trump and former vice presidentjoe biden are now about half—an—hour away from their first debate of this year's us presidential election. with a distinct lack of campaign events due to the pandemic, the political clash is seen as the best chance for both sides to make their case to the country. but this contest won't be quite like anything we've seen before, while as many as 100 million americans will tune in to watch the two men go head to head, only 70 will be in the room to see donald trump and joe biden‘s verbal joust. laura trevelyan is our correspondent in cleveland.

what are we expecting? high drama. ican what are we expecting? high drama. i can tell you thatjoe biden has arrived and i can hear the president's motorcade and in less than 30 minutes, the two men are going to be on stage together in a socially distant manner. no handshake, no masks on stage either. everyone in that room will have been tested for coronavirus and you can expect president trump in his energetic combative way to try and take the initiative and take back control of this race which hasjoe biden a national polls suggest, ahead. it is much more in the battleground swing states. —— much tighter. he will get across his message that he believes the president will —— has mishandled the pandemic and that only he can lead america out of the chaos. republican strategist has asked the big

question on the bbc not long ago, he said according to the polls joe ago, he said according to the pollsjoe biden will win bit this time the debate will really be key. that is quite unusual, isn't it? absolutely because remember, partly because remember, partly because of coronavirus, america has been in such different mood for the last six months so you haven't had door to door campaigning. the biden campaign is not going door—to—door so much. this is a chance to see the two men up close and personal in this setting where they won't be the usual interruptions that you get when you get a big audience in an auditorium, when you have 900 people who were there, for example, fort hillary clinton and donald trump. in a way, it may make the debate more substantive because you don't have the interruptions from the crowd. i have seen suggestions

that a sitting president underperforms in the first debate because in the previous four years they have not been used to being directly challenged in that way. that was definitely true for baroque 0bama in the 2012 campaign when he came off pretty badly against mitt romney in the first debate. he wasn't expecting to be attacked. he said afterwards that he was to ta ke said afterwards that he was to take up with the business of governing and president trump has said something similar when he has been asked about preparation for this debate. he says he has a lot on his plate right now but he has been prepping over the weekend for this debate with his debate preparation team but typically heissues preparation team but typically he issues his formal debate prep whereas biden on the other hand has ta ken prep whereas biden on the other hand has taken this extremely seriously and has been sequestered away with his aides, really for much of the last week, rehearsing for this. his big moment. his challenge, i was talking to one of his key aides, he said forjoe —— for joe biden, this will be like

rock em, soc em, robots. it is a game. he will have to deliver his message about how he will change america for the american people. laura, there is this sense that haps by caricature injoe biden as sleepyjoe, geriatric, possibly even senile. he set a very low bar. he might, anything that doesn't come across as sleepyjoe might look like a win. the trump campaign ‘s have been running these ads and so have their surrogates about what has happened to joe biden? surrogates about what has happened tojoe biden? running clips together where he seems to be stumbling, not knowing his words, not knowing where he is. ifjoe biden appears a little bit more together than in those ads, you can argue that will seem like a win for him. but rememberjoe biden has had a lot of experience here. he did a lot of debate in the

democratic primaries and did better the field narrowed and there was more —— less people but this is his big test this evening. as his supporters said, this is his moment to indict the president on his failed response to coronavirus, the disastrous effect on the economy and if you can't do that, he can't persuade the american people he can be president. laura, of course this is drama, it is theatre, and it is what, 35 days, five weeks until the election? many people voting already. i think the polls should adjust only about 14% of voters have not decided who they are going to vote for and the whole thing is usually decided by 11 states that swing between republican and democrat? is it really that important? you know, yes, but at the same time, 70% of people say, tell opinion pollsters that they have already made up their mind and they are just tuning into the debate to cheer

on their man. but for the critical undecided sector and remember, donald trump one in 2016 -- remember, donald trump one in 2016 —— won in 2016 with a few amount of undecided votes. undecided voters broke for donald trump late in the race. polling suggests they were interim —— influence byjames comey saying the matter of hillary clinton's e—mails was not completely closed was not if you think the whole thing is coming down to those few voters then yes, it is key. but your other point, absolutely. 1.2 million of americans have already cast their votes. millions have requested absentee ballots because of coronavirus. clearly, many have made up their mind off of that sliver who have not, tonight —— tonight is crucial. katty kay is in washington for us. you have a long experience of these campaigns. if you were writing a movie script, you

couldn't write it more, on the one hand you have a president who apparently has the blood of hundreds of thousands of americans on his hands and imminently faces a financial ruin and is done in the polls. another man who the president claims is senile, geriatric and on the widerfringes claims is senile, geriatric and on the wider fringes of the internet, there are claims he cannot function without serious drugs and an earpiece. what are you expecting out of all of this? i think if i could write a movie script, i wouldn't be speaking to you in the middle of the night, mike, i would be somewhere else. in some ways, you could look at these and you have two white men in their 70s up have two white men in their 70s up on have two white men in their 70s upona have two white men in their 70s up on a stage together having a political debate and perhaps that doesn't sound like the most thrilling contest but both of them have so much at stake and one of them is probably the most unusual debater in american presidential history. so yes, there is going to be drama and point you are picking up

drama and point you are picking up with laura and what he was saying, there are, you are right, very few people that have made up their minds in this country, but there are very few opportunities for those people to see these two men together without the filter of cable television, to hear them make their case, as one of joe biden's supporters put it today, it is not really a debate, it is a job interview. they have read answers to the extent that anything could swing those mines, this is a big deal. this is one of three chances to make an impact and given that it is only going to be tens of thousands of americans who actually decides this election if you can swing some of those voters tonight then that helps your site. and above all, surely, we and everybody else need to work out what for more years of a trump presidency is going to look like and what a biden presidency is going to look

like. i spoke to someone who had been a senior adviser to hillary clinton in 2610 and actually played donald trump her prep sessions in these debates —— 2016. he was saying to me the thing about debating donald trump is a shape shifter ona donald trump is a shape shifter on a debate stage is that he doesn't actually really debate. imean, he doesn't actually really debate. i mean, he doesn't answer particularly policy questions. what he said when he had done all of that research on how donald trump is on a debate stage is he basically says three things, he says i'm great, your terrible and then he has a long discourse about —— you are terrible, and he has a long discourse about things but he doesn't address things. that is in a sense a challenge because joe that is in a sense a challenge becausejoe biden that is in a sense a challenge because joe biden is that is in a sense a challenge becausejoe biden is moss a rebuttal and more hillary clinton. he spent years in the senate and get into policy details and he won't be able to have that clash of visions —— joe biden is more serena

cerebral. he has been handed a script, in a sense. or handed chris wallace at script who is the moderator. the white house has been preparing since the new york times story broke for the question about donald trump's taxes to be the very first question, potentially, that donald trump has answered and he has historically, he was asked about this in 2016 and he deflected hillary clinton's own campaign finances deflected hillary clinton's own campaignfinances and deflected hillary clinton's own campaign finances and answer the question but here now we have this new york times report saying that donald trump only paid saying that donald trump only pa id $750 saying that donald trump only paid $750 in federal income taxes in 2016 and 2017 and that gives chris wallace, the moderator, a pretty clear place to start. donald trump doesn't like being asked about his finances like this and he is prone to getting defensive and something else you are picking

up something else you are picking up on with laura about incumbent presidents not having very good first bates, the reason for that partly is they have been surrounded by people saying yes to them —— first debates. they have been surrounded by people telling them they are wonderful by endorsing every idea they had and barack 0bama had the same problem. he hasn't been used to people saying, we have to deal with your finances, why did you only pay $750, the average american pays six ad 16 times that will. this isn't fair. they have been prepping donald trump and the thing that aids have been found with donald trump, you can prep him or the like and he doesn't follow the script and part of the reason he is so popular with his supporters is that he doesn't follow the script and he follows —— he has written the rulebook. on the taxes, there may well be voters who say, well, if i am avoiding taxes, that just makes me well, if i am avoiding taxes, thatjust makes me smart. he

certainly wouldn't be the first businessperson to declare a loss when of course there wasn't much of a loss but he wasn't much of a loss but he was avoiding some taxes that way. this issue that he might be in massive personal debt and might therefore be in a hock to all kinds of people or potentially foreign governments, that is potentially a problem for him. yes, nancy pelosi has called that a national security issue. i wonder whether the biden campaign and this is what i have been finding lately by speaking to people, they may be more likely to go after a narrative that actually, he is not a very good businessman. actually, look at all the losses he incurred. he sold himself to america in 2016 as the fantastically successful businessman who could fix the country's economy but actually, if you look at his tax returns, he had huge losses and maybe he wasn't such a great businessman after all. and it might be that you hear that line of attack because that may resonate with

people more than how much tax as he pay, was he in hock to otherforeign as he pay, was he in hock to other foreign governments or businessmen? it may resonate with some swing voters. you are either a maga boater or you are not a maga people and —— voter. it is about tonight, joe biden easter show that he can do the job and that american —— joe biden needs to show that he can do thejob. biden needs biden needs to show that he can do the job. biden needs to reassure people that he is not too old, that he still has it, that he is still on top of the case and that he is the reliable person that they might like to see in the oval office.

mr biden surely has to answer the two questions about how far the two questions about how far the democratic party has moved to the left and also inevitably questions about his son hunter. yes, and that is probably where, was talking about how the biden campaign might try to get under trump's skin, you are not a very good businessman, i suspect for the trump campaign it will be going after hunter biden and he is sitting on the board of a ukrainian gas company and was he therefore corrupt and did he get thejob because his father was vice president and compromise joe biden? and we have seen out on the campaign trail that that rattles joe the campaign trail that that rattlesjoe biden. the campaign trail that that rattles joe biden. he the campaign trail that that rattlesjoe biden. he lost his temper to a voter once who was out there at a diner and raised this issue and joe biden got very cross with him. they will have been prepping. both sides will have been prepping and joe biden will have been prepping for that line of attack and it will be interesting to see how he deals with that. the dams have been briefing that really

all biden has to do is be the smiley opposite to president trump —— dems. smiley opposite to president trump -- dems. iwas smiley opposite to president trump -- dems. i was watching back the tapes from 2016 and i had forgotten in those debates with hillary clinton donald trump often comes across as kind of angry, kind of surly hours away, and joe biden, if you look at his historic debates, even when he was running for president or when he was vice president up against sarah palin when they we re against sarah palin when they were ina against sarah palin when they were in a vice presidential debate together, he is capable of being very smiley on the stage. i think if he summons some of that, the warmth and the smiles, that will probably be to his advantage, particularly if you have a contrast of somebody looking slightly irritated, being slightly irritated, being slightly grumpy about being there, which, was barack 0bama's problem back in 2012, why am 0bama's problem back in 2012, whyami 0bama's problem back in 2012, why am i hear debaty, i am president of the united states, should not be debating, why don't they just should not be debating, why don't theyjust me a second term? that was a problem for

0bama back in 2012, remember it well, that evening in denver. if that is the personality donald trump brings and by contrast you have joe donald trump brings and by contrast you havejoe biden being warm and accessible and smiling, that is the kind of thing that could potentially sway a few voters. we will see who has what problems tonight and how they deal with them in 15-20 and how they deal with them in 15—20 minutes or so. the moment, thank you very much. so what is the background to all this? 0ur north america reporter anthony zurcher looks now at some of the challenges the two men face as they go head to head for the first time. honestly, never lied. that is a good thing. that is the big difference between honest a ba nya. difference between honest a banya. there are enormous opportunities once we get rid of donald trump —— honest abe and you. when donald trump took the debate stage in 2016 he was a political neophyte, but we knew about how he was going to

go about debating. he was going to be unpredictable, he was going to be uncouth, he was going to be uncouth, he was going to be uncouth, he was going to try to rattle his opponenfs going to try to rattle his opponent's cage full, dogs, slobs, and discussing animals. your twitter account... only rosie o'donnell. it will be a stark contrast to joe rosie o'donnell. it will be a stark contrast tojoe biden who has been a politics nearly half a century. he has been in a lot of debates, none quite so important as this. his style is much more affable, much more casual. you know me. you know my heart. you know my story. he tries to put his opponents of balance by seeming like the everyman. so walk with me in my neighbourhood. go back to my old neighbourhood or go up to scranton with me. donald trump has gone afterjoe biden's competency, questioning his age and his mental acuity. sleepy joe biden. have you ever seen sleepy go with the little circles ? sleepy go with the little circles? sleepy djohore slow

joe, —— joe. circles? sleepy djohore slow joe, -- joe. donald trump has attacked his character, his fitness to serve as president of the united states in a time of the united states in a time of turmoil —— joe biden. of the united states in a time of turmoil -- joe biden. the simple truth is, donald trump failed to protect america. so now he is trying to scare america. we could get ugly quickly. there is a risk for both candidates if it does though. donald trump and joe biden have different debating styles, they have a similar weakness, when they get pushed by their opponents they tend to get defensive. have you taken a cognitive test? no, i haven't takena cognitive test? no, i haven't taken a test. why the hell what a take a test? that's a saying to you before you go on this programme you take a test whether you were taking cocaine or not. you know you are a fake. you know that. the whole network, is sweet. both candidates don't like being at eight —— attacks, and that is when at times they are at their most vulnerable and unpredictable. when this debate

gets into policy details that is going to be risk for both candidates. you havejoe biden who may not want to talk necessarily about criminal justice policy in detail because he has shifted his position over time. this is one of those instances where the house was set on fire and you claimed responsibility for those laws and you can'tjust now come out with a plan to put out the fire. donald trump, on the other hand, he might not wa nt to the other hand, he might not want to talk about his handling of the coronavirus. it will go away. you know it is going away and it will go away and we will have a great very. all the candidates prepare intensively for these presidential debate is because it is their moment in front of millions of americans where they try to land the key zinger, an interesting line, something voters will take with them to the ballot box in just a few weeks. it isjust awfully good that someone with the temperament of donald trump is not in charge of the law in our country. because you would be in jail. .. secretary clinton...

laughter. and zettel with that round up there. i'm joined now by republican strategist ron christie. i know you were involved in debate prep, you played the tv moderator, the chris wallace role tonight. give us an idea how the candidates are feeling now, it is 15 or so minutes, less tha n now, it is 15 or so minutes, less than 15 minutes before they go on in that greenroom. good evening to you. one thing ican good evening to you. one thing i can tell you is both the candidates are very nervous. for all their experience, their polish, all of their aplomb, they are now sitting in a room looking at the clock thinking "i am about to go out on stage, iam owing "i am about to go out on stage, i am owing to be in front of 100 million american voters and many millions more around the world and can i put my best foot forward ? can world and can i put my best foot forward? can i give a good impression as to why i should be the next president of the united states? " and

be the next president of the united states?" and for all the debate preparation, all the chatter with the staff, they are the only ones, those two, on stage, we can make that case. so having been there for several presidential cycles i can tell you they are really feeling their nerves right now. president trump is not known for prep, is he, he likes to shoot from the hip. i suppose his instinct and experience will be telling him, i went it before and 01 and they can wing it again. i think that is right. the danger for the president is thatjoe biden, say what you want, he has been in politics for the better part of 50 years. the former vice president knows how to debate. he knows how to mix it up top he knows how to get that really cutting soundbite that president trump might not be anticipating or expect. so from everything i have, his former chief of staff has been his chief of staff has been his chief debate coach and his debate preparing for the former vice president, i would expects

them razzle—dazzle. i would expects early fireworks coming from the vice president to try to put the president of balance. i have to put something to you. this information is always a feature of three debates, it is a feature of campaigns. you have put out a couple of tweets which, to put it politely, look mischievous. the person says" let's not sugarcoat this, the joe biden campaign will not confirm that their candidate won't be wearing an earpiece tonight. the logical next step, you say, is that he could have his stuff feeding him information, oranswers, his stuff feeding him information, or answers, we need the next president of the united states to demonstrate, you say, that they are capable, able to conduct the significant duties of said office stop this dancing around give me significant concerns as to whetherjoe biden, someone may have known and admired for numerous yea rs, is have known and admired for numerous years, is up to the task at hand. seriously, you say, no earpiece or helping device. before you come back on

that, i thinkjoe biden has come back on that on twitter. he says it is debate not so i have my earpiece and my performance enhancer is ready. this is dirty dealing. this is from the wider shores of the internet, isn't it? i think so... no, i'm in by you! let me say this, as a political strategist i would have thought that the biden campaign would have immediately come out and said this is absolute nonsense, this is just absolutely not where we should have been. my concern as a political strategist was why didn't they shoot this down immediately, what it was to this, if there isa what it was to this, if there is a 280 character with that i will say had never sent, as a political analyst for the bbc, i would say that you that that is not up to the standards of who we are and what this organisation is. they apologise to our view was for it. and it is time to focus on the debate and everyone makes a mistake

and everyone makes a mistake and i'm a mind today. all right, we will leave it there. thank you for that. i'v —— i've made mind today. i'm joined now by amanda renteria, ceo code for america. former political director hillary clinton 2015 presidential campaign good to talk to you. everybody says, tell me whether it is true or not, that debating donald trump is an ex— area is in itself like no other. it is. it is an experience like no other and prepping is an experience like no other. you really do go through anything and everything that could possibly happen. i think we are now four years might not the democratic side has been spending time really understanding the way trump has attacked. you see over and over again, the character attacks, and biden has already been through some of it already. i would say they are a little more prepared or a lot more prepared than we were four yea rs prepared than we were four years ago. there is nothing quite like being on that stage and still hearing it come out of someone's mouth or hearing lies or bullying tactics that you would never imagine seeing before stop so what you try to

do in prepping is really make sure it is not the first and they saw it on stage, but they have practised ways of dealing with and there is no doubt that this administration, that run claim and everyone on the team is ready for it now. you know when he came back in 2062 hillary clinton, who effectively accused him of sharp practice, not only are not paying taxes, but several other things, but when he came back and said "that makes me smart " back and said "that makes me smart," connected with the voters. he has a way to connect with the voters, doesn't see? he does. what is different this time is he has actually been running the country and there is something you have to be accountable for. that is different than it was in 2016. in fact, we often heard on the campaign but he won't really do that but maybe he will actually be able to govern this country well. and now we're the results of that. rotavirus and the debts we are having, where the economy is today, all of that feels and is different when all ofa feels and is different when all of a sudden you are the person in charge. an i think what we will hear tonight is joe

in charge. an i think what we will hear tonight isjoe biden make that case to say this isn't fun, this isn't a game, this is really people's lives at stake here. an i think there is no—one better than joe at stake here. an i think there is no—one better thanjoe biden with the authenticity he does to make those kind of points tonight and i think that is what we are going to see. he has to be engaging, doesn't it, and human, but he has to convince people he can function without an autocue. that's right. a lot of folks have talked about this idea that you have got to keep your cool and you have to rise above it. i think is really important for joe biden tonight to bejoe biden. and that means at times he is going to smile and laugh it off. and that's really the trick here, is being there in the room, truly being able to be authentic in the moment and thatis be authentic in the moment and that is what people will be watching out for. and they tell you what, if biden is her biden is, he naturally connect, but it is nothing like he has experienced before to be with trump. when you take the bait

and when you say no, this is over me to express a vision, this is a time for me to take more leadership conversation and to take the debate of the entertainment factor that donald trump takes to that stage. i have to really in these questions from the outer regions of the internet, what about the drugs and hippies, will either be present?” about the drugs and hippies, will either be present? i think biden handled this perfectly well to say yes, i'm showing up with both. that is a bit of what is going on here. you have to know when to roll with the punches and say, yes, i have a hearing aid. we roll with the punches and have a good time with it and say this isn't worth getting angry about. this isn't worth getting fired up about. that is what is important make sure he is an authentic leader, that he takes the bait when he needs to, laughs it off, and then, actually, one of the pieces that will be really important is what is the vision that is speaking to how the country is feeling right now? to give you

a sense of this, 23 states are trending with in the coronavirus right now. what is he going to say to them? and i think when you think about the way biden talk to people, connects with people, empathetically, that will mean something to a lot of folks who adjust right now gin gin giudice presidential debate. unit because you were there, hillary clinton had a detail and depth. joe biden can do that, of course, as he can really debate, but he can get lost in detail, kanti? gas. in one of the things that is really tough with trump is he can through a lot of different things at you at once and you can see a candidate going which one do a tape. and i think for joe biden it will be important to say he is taking the fights that are connecting with people and letting the other things slide —— do i take. the other thing on everyone's migrate now is coronavirus. there is no doubt people are thinking about how below protect my family and as estates are getting worse in certain parts of the united states, some of which are

battlegrounds, how does he speak to them through the noise of what will be the antics of a debate platform? amanda, thank you very much indeed for that. just a few minutes away from the start of the debate. we go back live to cleveland, ohio, where it is all happening. chris wallace is making his introductory remarks. laura trevelya n introductory remarks. laura trevelyan is there for us. give us trevelyan is there for us. give usa trevelyan is there for us. give us a flavour of exactly what officially we are supposed to cover in the debate tonight, also what to expect from chris wallace. chris wallace has chosen six topics for tonight. he has chosen the records of donald trump, the coronavirus, the economy, race and also election integrity and the supreme court. he is the chief sunday interviewer of fox news. he was also debate moderator in 2016 and you can expect him to be tough and fair. specifically, i think they are starting with

the records of mr trump and mr biden. , race and violence in cities, coronavirus, the ecology —— economy and integrity of the election. presumably much more than those topics. interestingly, climate change is not one of the ones that was selected. i am sure you would not expect —— you would expect to come up. really, you can see the anticipation building in the hall. the candidates have arrived and it was a very interesting shot. joe biden's wife looking as you would expect any wife to look, pretty anxious at this big moment for her husband. it is a key because that is when impressions are formed. how will the candidates approach the opening? how will they go in hard? you can expect donald trump to come out fighting, trying to land a knockout punch onjoe biden trying to land a knockout punch on joe biden and trying to land a knockout punch onjoe biden and how doesjoe biden deal with that? all of

this with a hall that has almost 100 people in it. the dynamics will be so different to usual and absolutely fascinating to watch. may be 100 million americans tuning in to watch. laura, you have seen a lot of these events but this isa a lot of these events but this is a special, two, in the sense that it these two old white quys that it these two old white guys don't really like each other and they have utterly different visions for americans. they certainly do and we will hear them outline their visions. and we will hear them outline theirvisions. president and we will hear them outline their visions. president trump says he will make america great again, that he will lead to the v shaped recovery from the coronavirus pandemic errors joe biden wants to say he builds a better future and donald trump is someone who threatens the very institutions that america has rested on for so long to radically different approaches. it is bound to be a clash of the titans with so much at sta ke. the titans with so much at stake. the president wants to

wina stake. the president wants to win a second term that he wants so badly pulled upjoe biden trying to paint himself as the elder statesman that can bring america out of the chaos of the trump years was up so it will bea gripping trump years was up so it will be a gripping 90 millets of television and all the more consequential because —— 90 minutes of television —— all the more consequential because coronavirus has had america in its grips for so long. all these, 35 days or so, five weeks until the election but many people voting already. as you said, 1.2 million voted already and the polls are suggesting perhaps 14% of voters haven't decided which party they will vote for. let's here chris wallace. —— hear.

good evening. from the health education campus of case western reserve university and the cleveland clinic. i'm chris wallace of fox news and i welcome you to the first of the 2020 presidential debates between president donald j trump and former vice president joe biden. this debate is sponsored by the commission on presidential debates, the condition has designed the four, sits roughly 15 minute segments with two—minute a nswe rs segments with two—minute answers from each candidate to the first question then open discussion for the rest of the segment. both campaigns have agreed to these rules. for the record, i decided the topics and the questions in each topic, i can assure you, none of the questions have been shared with the condition or the two candidates. this debate is being conducted under health

and safety protocols designed by the cleveland clinic which is serving as the health security adviser to the condition for all fob debates. asa condition for all fob debates. as a precaution, —— four debates. the candidates will not shake hands at the beginning of tonight's debate. the audience here in the hall has promised to remain silent, no cheers, no boos or other interruptions so we and you can focus on what the candidates have to say put up no noise except right now as we welcome the republican nominee donald trump and the democratic nominee vice president biden. applause. how are you doing, man? good.

gentlemen, a lot of people have been waiting for this night so let's get going. 0ur been waiting for this night so let's get going. our first subject is the supreme court. president trump, you nominated amy coney barrett over the weekend to succeed ruth bader ginsburg on the court. you say the constitution is clear about your obligation and the senate's to consider a nominee to the court was not vice president biden, you say that this is an effort by the president and republicans to jam through an appointment and what you call an abuse of power. my first question to both of you tonight, why are you right in that the argument you right in that the argument you make and your opponent wrong mark and where do you think ajustice wrong mark and where do you think a justice barrett would ta ke think a justice barrett would take the court? president trump, you go first, two minutes. element i will tell you, very simply, we won the election for top elections have consequences. we have the senate, we have the white house and we have a phenomenal

nominee, respected by all, top, top academic, good in every way, good in every way. in fa ct, way, good in every way. in fact, some of her biggest endorses are very fact, some of her biggest endorses are very liberal people. —— endorsers was up we have plenty of time. even if we did it after the election itself, i have a lot of time after the election, as you know. so i think that she will be outstanding, she will be as good as anybody that has served on that court. we really feel that. we have a professor highly respected by all, said she is the single greatest student she has had —— he has had. we won the election and therefore we have the right to choose her and very few people knowingly would say otherwise and by the way, the democrats, they wouldn't even think about not doing it. the only difference is they are trying to do it faster. —— they would try to do it faster. they had merit garland but the problem is they didn't have the

election. so they were stopped. probably that would happen in reverse also. definitely it would happen in reverse. so we won the election and we have the right to do it. president trump, thank you for top same question to you, vice president biden. you have two minutes. first of all, thank you for doing this. the american people have a right to have a say who the supreme court nominee is and that say incurs when they vote for a united states senators and when they vote for the president of the united states. they are not going to get that chance now because we are in the middle ofan election already stop election has already started. tens of thousands of people have already voted and so the thing should happen is we should wait. we should wait and see what the outcome of this selection is because that is the only way the american people get to express their view, is by who they elected as president, and who they elect as vice president. what is at

sta ke as vice president. what is at stake here is the president has made it clear he wants to get rid of the affordable care act. he has been running on that and governing on that. he is in the supreme court right now trying to get rid of the affordable ca re to get rid of the affordable care act which will strip 20 million people from having insurance, health insurance now, if it goes into court and the justice and i have nothing, lam not the justice and i have nothing, i am not sub the justice and i have nothing, lam not sub —— the justice and i have nothing, i am not sub —— opposed to the justice committee seems like a very fine person, but she has written before she went to the bench, which is her right, that she thinks that the affordable ca re she thinks that the affordable care act is not constitutional. the other thing, and it is struck down, what happens? women's rights are fundamentally changed. once again, a woman could be held for more money because she has a pre—existing condition of pregnancy was not they are able to charge a woman more for the same exact procedure a man gets and that ended when we in fact passed the affordable care act.

there is 100 million people with pre—existing conditions and they will be taken away as well. those pre—existing conditions, insurance companies are going to love this. so it isjust not are going to love this. so it is just not appropriate to do this before this election. if he wins, the election, and the senators, democrat or republican, then he goes forward was not if not, we should wait until february. there aren't100 million people with pre—existing conditions. people already had their say. 0k, people already had their say. ok, justice ginsburg said very powerfully and strongly, at some point, ten years ago or so, she said a president and the senate is elected for a period of time but a president is elected for four years was up is elected for four years was up we is elected for four years was up we are is elected for four years was up we are not elected for three yea rs. up we are not elected for three years. i'm not elected for three years. so we have the senate, we have the president... during that period of time, during that period of time, we have an opening. i'm not elected for three years, i'm elected for four years. not elected for three years, i'm elected forfour years. 100

million people, joe... that is totally wrong, i don't know where you get that number. the bigger problem that you have is that you are going to extinguish 180 million people with their private healthcare. that is simply not true. you are going to socialist. gentlemen, we are now into open discussion. go ahead, vice president. this number one, he knows what i proposed. what i propose is we expand 0bama care and we increase it. we do not wipe any, and one of the big bates we had with 23 of my colleagues —— debates with 23 of my colleagues who won the nomination, i did wanted to allow people to have —— i didn't want to do have private insurance was not they will and they do with my proposal. your party wa nts they do with my proposal. your party wants to go socialist. two the party is me. i am the democratic party right now. the

platform of the democratic party is what i in fact approved of it. what i approved of. here is the deal. the deal is it will wipe out pre—existing conditions and by the way, the 200,000 people that have died on his watch, how many of those have survived, will have survived. 7 million people have contracted covid? what million people have contracted covid ? what does million people have contracted covid? what does it mean for them owing forward if you strike down the affordable care act? joe, you took 308,000 military people dying because you couldn't provide the proper healthcare in the military. i'm happy to talk about this. healthcare in the military. i'm happy to talk about thism you were here, it would be 200, it would be 2 million people because you were late on the draw. you didn't want me to ban china which was heavily infected. mr full stop. mr president, mr president, mr president, mr president, mr president, as the moderator, we will talk about covid in the next segment but go ahead. let

me finish. the point is, the president is also opposed to in the court. that is also at sta ke the court. that is also at stake right now. so the election is all... you don't know its on the ballot, why is on the ballot? it is not on the ballot. it is on the ballot in the court. in the court. i don't think so. there is nothing happening there. don't know her view on roby way. you don't know what that is. we have a lot to unpack here and we have a lot of time. on healthcare and then we will go back to rovie wade. they are seeking to end 0bama care. back to rovie wade. they are seeking to end obama care. you have spent the last... because i want to give wood healthcare.

over the last four years, you have promised to repeal and replace 0bama care but you have neverin replace 0bama care but you have never in these four years come up never in these four years come up with a plan, a comprehensive plan to replace 0bama care. up with a plan, a comprehensive plan to replace obama care. of course i have, because i got rid of the original mandate, excuse me, i got rid of the original mandate. that is not a competitive plan. crosstalk. asked joe. the individual mandate was the most unpopular aspect mr president, mr president. mr president, i am the moderator of this debate andi the moderator of this debate and i would like you to let me ask my question and then you can answer. go ahead. in the course of your four years, you have never come up with a comprehensive plan to replace 0bama care and just this last thursday, you signed a largely symbolic executive order to protect people with existing conditions five days before this debate so my question,

sir, is what is the trump healthcare sir, is what is the trump healthca re plan? all right, well, i guess i'm debating you, not him. that's all right. is nothing symbolic. iam all right. is nothing symbolic. i am cutting drug prices. i'm going with david nation. which no punt —— president has done because you are going against big pharma. drug prices are coming down at — 90%. you could have done it during your time in government but you never did it. never has done it. all the things we have done... crosstalk. insulin. it was destroying families, destroying people because i am getting it for so cheapit because i am getting it for so cheap it is like water. if you wa nt to cheap it is like water. if you want to know the truth. so cheap. take a look at all of the drugs, prescription drug prices, we will allow our governors now to go to other countries to buy drugs, because they pay just a countries to buy drugs, because they payjust a tiny fraction... crosstalk. this is big stuff. you will be happy. i'm about to pick up on one of your points to ask the vice president. he points out

that you would like to add a public option to obama care and the arguments he makes and other republicans make is that is going to end private insurance... it is not! iwill ask the question. it is not what your parties is, by the way. it will end private insurance and abbott government ta ke insurance and abbott government take of healthca re. insurance and abbott government take of healthcare. it does not. it is only for those people so poor they cover for asthma qualify for medicaid. they can get free in those days except for governors who want to deny those who are poor medicaid. anyone who qualifies for medicaid would automatically be enrolled in the public option. the vast majority of the american people would still not be in that option. number one. number two... so you agree with bernie sanders‘s far left on the ma nifesto sanders‘s far left on the manifesto that gives you socialised medicine... are usain... i am socialised medicine... are usain. .. i am not socialised medicine... are usain... i am not going socialised medicine... are usain. .. i am not going to listen to him. the fact of the matter is i beat bernie sanders. not by much. i am

standing here facing you... not by much. no contest would have stood facing you —— pocahontas. crosstalk. i got very lucky. by note. here is the deal. the fact is that everything he is saying so far is simplya everything he is saying so far is simply a lie. i am not here to call out his lies. everybody knows he is a liar. crosstalk. you were last in your class, not first in... mr president, can you let him finish. he doesn't know how to do that. you'd be surprised. you'd be surprised. go ahead. we picked on the wrong day at the wrong time. you agreed with bernie sanders... left him... please let him speak,. you just lost the left. you just lost the left. you agreed with bernie sanders on a plan... foakes... bernie sanders on a plan... foakes. .. foakes, bernie sanders on a plan... foakes... foakes, do you have any idea what this clown is doing. mr president...

socialised medicine. they tell you what. he is not for any help for people needing healthcare, because he, in fa ct, healthcare, because he, in fact, already has cost 10 million people there healthcare that they had from their employers because of his recession. number one. number two. there are 20 million people getting healthcare through 0bama now that he wants to take it away. he won't ever look you in the eye and say thatis look you in the eye and say that is what he wants to do. takeit that is what he wants to do. take it away. i want to get better healthcare at a much lower price because obamacare... lower price because obamacare. .. i have already fixed. he doesn't know how. he has never... crosstalk. obamacare... has never... crosstalk. obamacare. .. gentlemen, do has never... crosstalk. obamacare... gentlemen, do you realise if you are both speaking at the same time... go ahead, sir. obamacare is no good. we made it better. they had a choice very early on, we took away the individual mandate, we guarantee pre—existing conditions but took away the individual mandate. listen, this is the

way it is. and destroyed. they should even call it obama do i let my people run it really well or badly? if they run it badly they will probably blame him but they will blame me but more importantly i want to help people. is that you have got to run it so well stop and ijust had a meeting with them. they said no matter how well you run obamacare it is a disaster. it's too expensive, premiums are too high it doesn't work. crosstalk. we do want to get rid of it, chris, we want to get rid of it. i understand. but we have to give you roughly equal time. read —— please let the vice president talk. he has no plan for healthcare. yes, we do. he sends out wishful thinking. he has executive orders with no power. he hasn't lower drug costs for anybody. he has been promising a drug plan since he was elected. he has not. like anything else he talks about, he does not have a plan. he doesn't have a plan. the factors this man doesn't know

what he is talking about.|j have one final question for you, mr vice president. have one final question for you, mrvice president. if senate republicans, we were talking originally about the supreme court here, if senate republicans go ahead and confirm justice barrett, there has been talk about ending the filibuster or even packing the court, adding to the nine justices there. you call this a distraction by the president but, in fact, distraction by the president but, infact, it distraction by the president but, in fact, it wasn't brought up but, in fact, it wasn't brought up by but, in fact, it wasn't brought up by the president, it was brought up by some of your democratic colleagues in the congress. my question to you is, you have refused in the past to talk about it, are you willing to tell the american people tonight whether or not you will support either ending the filibuster or packing the court. whatever position are taken that it will become the issue. the issue with the american people should be. you should go out and vote. you are voting now, vote and let your senators know how strongly you feel. vote now, make sure you in fact let people know your

senators. i'm not going to answer the question because the western is... crosstalk the radical left. will you shut up, man. who is on your list, joe? this is so presidential. gentlemen. we have entered the segment. we will move on to the segment. have entered the segment. we will move on to the segmentm was a really productive segment, wasn't it? the people understand you. 47 years you have done nothing. they understand. the second subject is covid—19. an awfully serious subject. so let's try to be serious about it. we have had more than 7 million cases of coronavirus in the united states and more than 200,000 people have died. even after we produce a vaccine experts say it could be months or even yea rs before we it could be months or even years before we come back to anything approaching normal. my question for both of you is, based on what you have said and

done so far, and what you have said you would do starting in 2021, why should the american people trust you more than your opponents to deal with this public health crisis going forward , public health crisis going forward, in this case, the question goes you first, sir, two minutes uninterrupted. good luck. 200,000 dead. as you said, over7 luck. 200,000 dead. as you said, over 7 million affected in the united dates will not we in fact have 5%, 4% of the world's population, 20% of the deaths. 40,000 people a day are contracting covid. in addition to that, between 751,000 people per day ideye. when he was presented with that number is that "it is what it is." it is what it is because you are who you are. that is why it is. the president has no plan. he hasn't laid out anything. he knew all the way back in february how serious this

crisis was. he knew it was a deadly disease. what did he do? he is on tape as acknowledging he knew it. he said he didn't tell us of your people warning of because he didn't want to panic the american people. you don't panic, he panicked. in addition to that, what did he do? he went in and we were insisting that the people we had on the ground in china should be able to go to wuhan and determine for themselves how dangerous this was. he did not even ask president xi to do that. he told us what a great job president xi was doing. he said we owe him a debt of gratitude for being so transparent with us. and what did he do then? he then said nothing, he waited and waited and waited. he still doesn't have a plan for dot wrong. crosstalk. ilaid crosstalk. i laid out in much what we should be doing and injuly what we should be doing. we should be providing all the protective gear possible stop we should be providing the money the house has passed in order to be able to go out and

get people the help they need to get their businesses open, open schools that cost a lot of money, you should get out of your bunged up and get out of the sand trap in your golf course and go in the oval office and bring together the democrats and republicans and find what needs to be done now to save lives. so if we would have listened to you... you have listened to you... you have two minutes, sir. if we would have listened to you the country would have been left wide open, millions of people would have died, not 200,001 person estimates, it is china's fault, it should never have happened. they stopped it from going on, but it was china's fault. and by the way, when you talk about numbers you don't know how many people died in china, you don't know how many people died in russia, you don't know how many people died in india, then give you a straight count, just so you understand. if you look at what we have done, eye closed. is that he is a racist and xenophobic, because you didn't think we should close our country. you didn't think we should have closed our country because you thought it was terrible. you would have closed

for another two months. by my doing it early, in fact, doctor fauci said "president trump save thousands of lives." many of your democratic governor said "president trump did a phenomenaljob." really, go ta ke phenomenaljob." really, go take a look. your governess at idida take a look. your governess at i did a phenomenaljob. most of them said that. in fact, people who would not be necessarily on my side said that. president trump did a phenomenaljob. we did. we got the gowns, we got the masks, we made the ventilators. you wouldn't have made ventilators stop now we are weeks away from a vaccine. we are doing therapeutics already. fewer people are dying when they get sick stop far fewer people are dying. we have done a greatjob. the only thing they haven't done a good job, that is because of the fa ke job, that is because of the fake news stop no matter what you say to them they give you bad press. they give you good press, give me but press, because that is the way it is, u nfortu nately. let because that is the way it is, unfortunately. let me just tell you something, ivanka, i have got used to it. i'd tell you, joe, you could not have done

thejob we did. you don't have it in your blood. you could never have done the job. my know how to do the job. you didn't do very well in swine flu. age one and one, you were a disaster. 14,000 people died, not 200,000 people. there was not 200,000 people. there was no economic recession. you made a point. let him answer. there is no—one, we didn't shut down the economy. this is his economy. he has shut it down. the reason it is shut down because, you folks at home, how many get up in the morning and had an empty chair in the kitchen table because someone died of covid? how many of you we re died of covid? how many of you were ina died of covid? how many of you were in a situation where you lost your mum or dad and couldn't even speak to the nurse holding a phone up so you could in fact say goodbye... you would have lost far more, far more people. you would have been... and by the way, his own cdc director says we could lose as many as another 200,000 people between now and the end of the year and he said if we just wear a mask we can save

half those numbers. just a mask. and, by the way, in terms of the whole notion of a vaccine, i don't trust him at all, nor do you, i know you don't. what we trust is the scientists. you don't trust johnson &johnson, scientists. you don't trust johnson & johnson, pfizer... gentlemen, let me move on to questions about the future because you both have touched on two of the questions we will ask. focusing on the future first, president trump, you have repeatedly either contradicted or been at odds with some of your government's on top sizes. the week before last the head of the centers for disease control, doctor redford, said it would be summer before the vaccine would become generally available to the public. you said he was confused and mistaken. those are your two words. but, the head of your operation has said exactly the same thing. they both wrong? i have spoken to the companies and we can have ita

the companies and we can have it a lot sooner. it is a very political thing because people at this would rather make a political than save lives. it isa political than save lives. it is a very political thing. i have spoken to pfizer, i have spoken to all of the people that you have to speak to. we havejohnson & that you have to speak to. we have johnson & johnson and others. they can go faster than that by a lock. it has become very political, because the left, i don't know if you would call them live... the head of your operation... i disagree with him. no, disagree with both of them. he didn't say that. he said be that we could be much sooner. they had him in my office. he talked about the summer before it is generally available. he said it was a possibility we will have the a nswer possibility we will have the answer before november one. it could also be after that. for it to be generally available. we will deliver it right away. we will deliver it right away. we have the military all set up, logistically they are all set up. we have the military to deliver soldiers and they can do 200,000 a day... this is the same man who said by easter this would be gone away. by the warm weather it would be gone.

miraculous, like a miracle. by the way, maybe you can inject simply turn yourarm the way, maybe you can inject simply turn your arm and that would take care of it. that was said so —— sarcastically a new know it. this man is talking about a vaccine. every serious company is talking about maybe having a vaccine done by the end of the year. at the distribution of the vaccine will not occur until sometime beginning in the middle of the year to get it out. if we get the vaccine. and pray god we will. mr vice president, i'm going to pick up... you will have the vaccine soon. you say the public and trusty scientists, but they can't trust president trump. you have said that again tonight. your running mate senator harris goes further saying the public health experts" will be muzzled, will be suppressed". given the fact that the polls already so that people are concerned about the vaccine and are reluctant to take it, are you and your running mate, senator harris, contributing to that fear? no more than the

question you just asked him. you pointed out he puts pressure and disagrees with his own scientist... crosstalk you and senator harris is saying you can't trust the scientist. you can trust the scientist. she did not say that. quote she said it would be muzzled. that is what is going to try to do. but there are thousands of scientists out there like here at this grace hospital that don't work for him. the job doesn't depend on him. they are the people and, by the way...|j the people and, by the way...” spoke to the scientist that are in charge. they will have the vaccine very in charge. they will have the vaccine very soon. in charge. they will have the vaccine very soon. do you believe for a moment what he is telling you in light of all the lies he has told you about the whole issue relating to covid? he still hasn't even acknowledged that he knew this was happening, knew how dangerous it was going to be, backin dangerous it was going to be, back in february and he didn't even tell you. he is on record as saying it. he panicked or he

just looked at the stock market, one of the two, because, guess what, a lot of people died and a lot more will die unless he gets a lot smarter. mr president? you said you went to delaware state but you went to delaware state but you forgot the name of the college. you didn't go to delaware state. you graduated even the lowest or almost the lowest in the classes i don't ever use the word smart with me, don't ever use the smart. 00, give me a break. let me just tell you something. if you we re just tell you something. if you were to have had the charge of what i was put through, i had to close the greatest economy in the history of our country and by the way, now it is being built again. crosstalk. when it comes to how the virus has been handled so far, the two of you have taken very different approaches and this is going to affect how the virus is handled going forward by whichever of

you ends up becoming the next president. i want to quickly go through several of those was not reopening stop vice president biden you have been much more reluctant than donald trump about reopening schools. why, sir? because he didn't have a plan was that you have got to have the money to reopen with the ppe as well as with sanitation they need. you have to provide crosstalk. nancy pelosi. ltd will he just quiet for a minute. by the way, nancy pelosi has a plan. he sits on his golf course and i mean, literally, think about it. you probably play more than i do, joe. what about the question of reopening. he wants to shut down this country and i want to keep it open. wait a minute, joe, let me shake you down for a second, joe, just for one

second. he wants to shut down the country. we just went through it. we had to because we didn't know anything about the disease and now we have found that elderly people with heart problems and diabetes and different problems are very, very vulnerable. we learned a lot. young children aren't. even younger people aren't. we have learned a lot. but he wa nts to have learned a lot. but he wants to shut it down. more people will be hurt by continuing. if you look at pennsylvania. they want to keep it shut down until after the election. i want to move onto another... i want to move onto another... i want to move onto another... i want to move onto another. president crosstalk. president, you have begun to increasingly question the effectiveness of masks as a disease preventer and the issue of waiters touching their masks and touching plates.”

of waiters touching their masks and touching plates. i put a mask on when i think i need it. i have a mask right here. i wear masks when needed. he could be speaking 200 feet away from me and he shows up with the biggest mask of ever seen. vice president biden, go ahead, sir. limit look, the way to open businesses is given the wherewithal to be able to open. i was asking you about masks. they make a big difference was up they make a big difference was up ahead of the cdc said if everybody were a mask and social distance between now and january, we would probably save up january, we would probably save up to 100,000 lives. it matters. they have also said the opposite. we make no serious person said the opposite. no serious person. dr

fauci said the opposite. he said masks are not good and then he changed his mind. i'm 0k then he changed his mind. i'm ok with masks. i'm going to ask you one last subject. your different approaches has even affected the way that you have campaigned for the president trump, you are holding large rallies with crowds packed together, thousands of people. outside. yes, sir, agreed. vice president biden you are holding much smaller events. nobody would show up. it is true, nobody shows up. in any case, why are you holding the big rallies and why are you not? you go first. because people wa nt you go first. because people want to hear what i have to say. i have 25— i have 25- 35,000 i have 25— 35,000 people showing up at airports. are you not worried about the disease? well so far, we have had no problem whatsoever. it is an outside that is a big inference, according to the experts. we do them outside, we have tremendous crowds, as you

see. literally 24 hours notice. and joe does the circles and has three people someplace. by the way did you see one of the la st the way did you see one of the last rallies he had and a reporter came up to him to asking question many years said no, said no, no, no, stand back, put on your mask. have you been tested? i'm way far away from those other people. that is what he said. he said i'm going to be ok for that he is not worried about you, he not worried about the people one another. no negative effect. we have had no negative effect. we have had no negative effect. just to quickly finish up effect. just to quickly finish up because i'm going to finish up. up because i'm going to finish s up because i'm going to finish up. syes, up because i'm going to finish up. s yes, i would stop he has been totally irresponsible in the way in which he has added social distancing. and people wearing masks, basically encouraging people not to.“ you could get the crowds but nobody cares. gentlemen, can we move the economy? the economy,

i think it is fair to say, recovering faster than expected. much faster. the unemployment rate fell to 8.4% last month. the federal reserve says the hit to growth which is going to be there is not going to be nearly as big as they had expected. president trump, you said we are in a v shaped recovery stop vice president biden you said it is more of a case shape. what difference does that mean to the american people in terms of the economy? --k people in terms of the economy? —— kshape. people in terms of the economy? -- k shape. we built the greatest economy in history and closed it down because of the china plague. when the plague came in we closed it down which was very came in we closed it down which was very hard. psychologically, it was hard. again, 2 million people would be dead now instead of still 204,000 people is too much. one person is too much. it should have never happened from china. what happened from china. what happened is we closed it down and now we are reopening and we

are doing record business. we have put people back into the workforce, a record of which nobody has seen before. he wa nts to nobody has seen before. he wants to close it down, he will shut it down again again, he, you know a lot of people, drugs, alcohol, depression was up drugs, alcohol, depression was upafew drugs, alcohol, depression was up a few shut it down, look at what is happening in some of the democrat run states with these big shutdowns they want to open. one of them came out last week, you saw that, they wa nt to last week, you saw that, they want to open up on november nine, it is after the election. they think they are hurting us that they are hurting people. people know what to do, they can social distance, they can wash their hands, they can wear masks. they can do whatever they want but they have got to open these estates up. when you look at north carolina, when you look at the governors under siege, pennsylvania, michigan and a couple of others, you have got to open the states up. it is not fair. you are talking about it is almost like ang in prison and you look at what is going on with divorce, look at

what is going on with alcohol and drugs, it is sad and he will close down the whole country. this guy will close down the whole country and destroy our country. our country is coming back incredibly well stop setting records as it does it, we don't need somebody to come in and say let's shut it down. all right, your two minutes, sir. we will now to you. as i said, posing the question, the president says it is a v shaped recovery and you say it is a k shaped recovery, what is the difference? two the difference is billionaires and billionaires like him in the middle of a covert crisis have done very well. -- covid. billionaires have made another $300 billion because of his proof attacks proposal and only focused on the market. but you focused on the market. but you focus at home. you folks at home living in all of the small towns and working—class towns in america. how are you doing? this guide paid a total of $750 of tax cuts. you have agreed to

the two minutes so please, let him have it. do i get my time back? he has worked on this in a way that he is going to be the first resident of the united states to leave office having fewer jobs united states to leave office having fewerjobs in his administration and when he became president. fewer jobs. first one in american history. secondly, the people who have lost theirjobs are those people who have been on the front lines, those people who have been saving our lives, those people who have been out there dying, people have been putting themselves in the way to make sure that we could all try to make it. and the idea that he is insisting that we go forward and open when you have almost half the states in america with a significant increase in covid deaths and cove rt increase in covid deaths and covert cases in the united states of america and he wants to open it up more? —— covid cases was not what is a key ta ke cases was not what is a key take care of the american... he can't fix the economy until you

fix the covert crisis and he has no intention of doing anything about making it better for you all at home in terms of your health and safety for stops schools, why aren't schools open? because it costs a lot of money to open them safely. they were going to give, his administration were going to give the teachers and school students masks and then they decided no, couldn't do that because it is not a national emergency. not not a national emergency. not not a national emergency. not not a national emergency. they have done nothing to help small businesses, nothing, they are closing was a one in six is now gone. he ought to get on the job and take care of the needs of the american people so we can open safely. your time is up, so. you both had two minutes was up excuse me, i need to respond to it, he made a statement. people want their schools open was they don't wa nt to schools open was they don't want to be shut down. they did what they that their state shutdowns of new york is most like a ghost town and i'm not sure that it can ever recover, what they want, people want their places open. i'm the one

that brought back foot, by the way, i brought back football. it was me and i'm very happy to do it. people of ohio are very proud of me. gentlemen, we will get to your economic plans going forward in a moment. you paid going forward in a moment. you pa id $750 going forward in a moment. you paid $750 a year in federal income tax, each of those yea rs. income tax, each of those years. i know that you pay a lot of other taxes but i am asking you the specific question. is it true that you paid question. is it true that you pa id $750 question. is it true that you paid $750 in federal income taxes, each of those two years? ipaid taxes, each of those two years? i paid millions of dollars, millions of dollars of income tax and let me just tell you, there was a story in one of the papers. show us your tax

returns. i paid $38 million one year. returns. i paid $38 million one yea r. two returns. i paid $38 million one year. two show us your tax returns. i will show you as soon it is is finished. there isa soon it is is finished. there is a report that says every banki is a report that says every bank i have, i am totally under leveraged because it is extremely good and i built...” am asking you a specific question. i understand all of that, i understand. crosstalk. i'm asking you a question, mr president four. will you tell us how much you paid federal income taxes in 2016 and 2017. allen millions of dollars. millions of dollars. millions of dollars and you will get to see it. when? chris, let me tell you something, it was the tax laws. i don't want to pay taxes. before i came here, i was a private developer, i was a private business people. like every other private person u nless every other private person unless they are stupid, they go

through the laws and that is what it is. he passed a tax bill that gave us all these privileges for depreciation and tax credits. we build a building and we get tax credits like the hotel. which, by the way, was given to me by the 0bama way, was given to me by the obama administration, if you can leave that. the man got fired right after that happen. iden, do you want to respond? yes, ido iden, do you want to respond? yes, i do want to respond. the tax code that put him in a position that he pays less tax thana position that he pays less tax than a school teacher is because he says he is smart because he says he is smart because he says he is smart because he can take advantage of the tax code and he does ta ke of the tax code and he does take advantage of the tax code and that is why i am going to eliminate the track —— the trump tax cuts. and nature that we invest in the people who in fa ct we invest in the people who in fact need the help. —— make sure. people out there need help. why didn't you do it over

the last 25 years? you were screwing things up. you are the worst president america has ever had, come on. will let me just say, joe. i have done more in 47 months. i have done more than you have done in 47 years, joe. we have done things that you never even thought of doing including fixing the broken military that you gave me. taking care... mr president, we're talking about the economy. i would like to ask you about your plans going forward because mr vice president, your economic plan, if you were to be elected president, focuses a lot on big government, big taxes, big spending. i want to focus first on the taxes. you have proposed taxes on individuals and corporations. president trump says that kind of an increase in taxes is going to hurt the economy coming out of a recession. take a look at the analysis done by wall street

firms. it points out that my economic plan would create seven more million jobs economic plan would create seven more millionjobs than he is in seven more millionjobs than he isina seven more millionjobs than he is in a four years. it would create an additional $1 trillion in economic growth because it would be about buying american. we are going to make this federal government spent $6 billion a year from ship, to steal, to buildings and the like. under my proposal, going to make sure every penny that has to be made... i'm talking about taxes not spending. i am going to eliminate significant number of tax, 28% for the corporate tax. 91 companies who do not pay a single penny in tax, making billions of dollars... what did you not do it? that was your tax reform. the economy boomed

like it has never boomed. mr president, let me pick up on that, you would continue your free market approach, lower taxes, deregulation. not for the american people. it turns out that in obama's final three yea rs more out that in obama's final three years morejobs were out that in obama's final three years more jobs were created, 1.5 million morejobs than in the first three years. we have had to slowest economic recovery since 1929. it was the slowest recovery. all you had to do was turn on the lights but it was the slowest economic recovery. let me tell you about the stock market. when it goes up, it meansjobs, if you got m, up, it meansjobs, if you got in, if you ever became president, you want to terminate my taxes, you lose half of the companies that have

poured in here will leave and half of the companies ready here will leave for other places and you will have a depression the likes of which you have ever seen. we inherited the worst recession sort of a depression stop i was asked to bring it back. we had an economic recovery that created the jobs you are talking about. he blew it. he blew it. it was not blooming, it was the weakest recovery... is itfairto it was the weakest recovery... is it fair to say he blew it when there was record low unemployment before covid ? manufacturing went in the whole before covid make. crosstalk. chris, they said it would take a miracle to bring back manufacturing. i brought back

700,000 jobs. they brought back nothing, he totally gave up on manufacturing. i was asked to bring back chrysler and general motors, i brought them back. they are gone, he blew it. ohio had the best year, michigan had the best year they ever had. many companies went to michigan and ohio. you take a look at what he has done, he has done very little. trade deals. it talks about the great trade deal, china has perfected the art of the steel. we have a higher deficit with china them before... crosstalk. china eight your lunch and no wonder your son goes there and takes out billions of dollars, billions of dollars. he makes

millions of dollars and also, while we're at it, just out of curiosity, some $3.5 million from the man of moscow, what did he do with burisma... crosstalk. none of that is true. mr president, please. totally discredited. crosstalk. it is not true. mr president, it is an open discussion. it is a fact. it is an open discussion. it is a fa ct. totally it is an open discussion. it is a fact. totally discredited. with no experience in energy. my son did nothing wrong. let him answer. he does not want to let me answer because he knows

i have the truth. his position has been totally discredited... by has been totally discredited... by who? the media... by everyone. everyone has discredited it. testified under oath crosstalk. 3.5 million dollars from moscow. he testified under oath and he saidi testified under oath and he said i did myjob and i did it very well and honourably. i will give you the list who testified. you have already fired most of them because they did a good job. crosstalk you get the fun of it. it is hard to get a wedding with this clown, excuse me, this president. here is the deal, we wa nt president. here is the deal, we want to talk about families and ethics, i do not want to do that. his family, we could talk

about all night... crosstalk. every single one of them lost a fortune. it is about your family, the american people. he does not want to talk about what you need. you, the american people. it is about you, that is what talking about. that is the end of the segment. we are moving on. crosstalk can i be honest... tried to be honest. so,... stop. crosstalk gentleman! i hate to raise my voice. this is the deal, we have six segments. we are going to go to the next segment. you're going to have

two uninterrupted moments. you can say whatever you want. i think that the country would be better served if we allowed both people to speak with fewer interruptions. i am appealing to you to do that. frankly, you have been doing more interrupting. but he does 20. less tha n interrupting. but he does 20. less than you have. —— plenty. you say that president trump's response to the violence in cha rlottesville when response to the violence in charlottesville when he talked about verified people on both sides was what directly lead you to launch this run for president. president trump, you have often said you believe you have often said you believe you have done more for black americans than any resident with the possible exception of abraham lincoln. i question is,

what should voters trustee rather than your opponent to deal with the racism facing this country. it is about equity and equality. it is about decency and the constitution. we have never walked away from trying to acquire equity for everyone, for the whole of america but we never accomplish it but we have never accomplish it but we have never walked away from it like he has done. i got in the race stop close your eyes, people coming out of feels caring torches, spewing anti—semitic bile and accompanied by the click klux klan. the young woman got killed. the president said they were fine people on both sides. no president is ever said anything like that before. the second point i make to you, when george floyd was

killed, they was a peaceful protest in front of the white house. what did he do? he came out of his bunker, and the military use teargas so he could walk across to a church and hold up a bible and what happened after that? the bishop of that very church said it was a disgrace. the general who was with him said all he wants to do is divide people, not unite people. this is a president was used everything as a dog whistle to try to generate racist hatred and division. this is a man, in talking about helping african—americans, one in 1000 african—american has been killed because of the coronavirus and if he does not do something quickly, one in 500 by the end of the year would have been killed. one in 500 african—american. this man isa 500 african—american. this man is a saviour of african—americans! this man cares at all! this man has done

virtually nothing. you have to look at what he did and what he did has been as extras for the african—american community. president trump you have two minutes. why should americans trust you over your opponent to deal with racism? you called super predators, the african—americans and super predators, the african—america ns and they super predators, the african—americans and they have never forgotten it... african—americans and they have neverforgotten it... you did that and they called you super predator and i am letting people out ofjail. you have treated the african—american population community, the black community about as bad as anybody in this country. and that's why, if you look at the polls, i am doing better than any republican has done in a long time because they saw what you did. you call them super predators and worse than that. you have called them a lot worse than that. as far as the church is concerned and if the

generals, wejust got church is concerned and if the generals, we just got the support of 250 military leaders and generals. total support. low enforcement, almost all low enforcement groups stop i have florida, texas, ohio. excuse me, portland. the sheriffjust came out today and said i support president trump. i do not think you have any law enforcement. you cannot say that was because you will lose your left wing supporters. if they called us in portland, we would put out that fire in half—an—hour but they will not do it because they are run by radical left democrats. if you look at chicago, any place you wa nt to look at chicago, any place you want to look at, seattle, they heard we were coming in the following date and we got back seattle. minneapolis, we got it back because we believe in law & order. the top ten cities and just about the top 40 cities

are run by democrats who are in many cases radical left. you got to a point where you do not wa nt to got to a point where you do not want to say anything about law and order and the people of this country want and demand law and order and you are afraid to even say it. i will return to the question of race. after the grand union in the rihanna taylor has decided not to charge any of the police. —— breonna taylor. could just as be equally applied in america? do you believe there is a separate but unequalled justice for african—americans in this country? there is systemic injustice in education, work and law enforcement and the way it is enforced but the vast majority of police officers are good and decent men and women, but there are some bad apples

and when you find them, they have to be sorted out and held accountable. what i am going to do as president of the united states is called together an entire group of people, at the white house, from the civil rights group, police officers, police chiefs and we are going to work this out so we change so we have more transparency when these things happen. these costs are not happy to see what happened to george floyd, to see what happened to breonna taylor. we have to have a syste m taylor. we have to have a system where people are held accountable and violence in response is never appropriate. peaceful protest is. violence is never appropriate. what is a peaceful protest when they run through the middle of town and went down your stores and kill people all over the place? crosstalk.

mrtrump, iwould mr trump, i would like to continue with the issue of race. we will go to law and enforcement in a moment. this month, your administration directed federal agencies to end racial sensitivity training that addresses white privilege or critical race theory. why did you decide to do that to end racial sensitivity training and do you believe that there is systemic racism in this country? i ended it because it is racist. i ended it because a lot of people were complaining that they were asked to do things they were absolutely insane, but it was a radical, revolution that was taking place in our military, in our schools, all across the place and you know it and he knows it and you know it and he knows it and everyone knows that. what about racial sensitivity training? if you are a certain person, you had no status in life. it was a reversal. if you look at the people, we were paying people hundreds of thousands of dollars to teach very bad ideas and frankly basic ideas will stop and

really, they were teaching people to hate our country and i'm not going to do that. i'm not going to allow that to happen. we have to go back to the core values of this country. they were teaching people that our country is a horrible place, a racist place and they were teaching people to hate our country and i'm not going to allow that to happen. vice president biden. nobody is doing that. he is the racist. here is the deal. i know a lot more about this than he does. the fact is, there is racial insensitivity. people have to be made aware of what other people feel like, what insults them, what is demeaning to them. it is important for people to know. they don't want to— people to know. they don't want to — many people don't want to hurt other people's feelings but it makes a big difference. it makes a gigantic difference in the way a child is able to grow up and have a sense of self esteem. it is a little bit like how this guy and his friends look down on so many people. they looked down their nose on people like irish

catholics like me who grew up in scranton. they looked down people don't have money, on people don't have money, on people who are of a different faith. they looked down on a people of different colour. in fa ct, people of different colour. in fact, we are all americans. the only way we're going to bring this country together is to bring everybody together. there's nothing we cannot do if we do it together. we can take this on and we can defeat racism in america. president trump. during the obama biden administration, there was tremendous division. there was hatred, you look at the ferguson, look at — many places, look at oakland! look at what happened in baltimore, look what happened, frankly, it was more violence than what i am unseeing now. the reason is that the democrats who run these cities don't want to talk about law and order like you. are you in favour of law & order? woah i am infavour of the law. crosstalk you asked the law. crosstalk you asked the question, let him finish.

let him finish. law and order, withjustice. violent let him finish. law and order, with justice. violent crime we nt with justice. violent crime went down 15% in our administration. it went down andl administration. it went down and i watch and has gone up much more in his. crosstalk you are going to be very happy because we are now going to talk about law and order. we a lwa ys talk about law and order. we always have trouble with democratic once it is. there has been a dramatic in america this summer particularly and you often claim that undemocratic and dominus but there has been equivalent spikes in republican—led cities like tulsa and fort worth. is this a party issue? i think it isa this a party issue? i think it is a party issues. you can bring ina is a party issues. you can bring in a couple of examples but if you look at chicago and what is going on in chicago where 53 people were shot and eight died. if you look at new york where it is going up like

nobody has ever seen anything. the numbers have gone up almost 200% in crime. it's crazy what is going on and he doesn't want to say law and order because he can't because he will lose his radical left supporters and once he does, it is over. if he ever got to run this country and they run it the way he wa nts to ru n and they run it the way he wants to run it, we would have our suburbs gone, they would be gone. and you would see problems like you have never seen it. he wouldn't know a suburb unless he took a long—term. i was raised in the suburbs, this is not 1950. all of these dog whistles on racism don't work anymore. suburbs are by and large integrated. there are many people driving their kids to soccer practice, black, hispanic, white, hispanic in the same kaiser has been in any time in the past. what really isa time in the past. what really is a threat to the suburbs and their safety is his failure to do with covid. they are dying in the suburbs. his failure to do with the environment. they are being flooded and burnt out

because he is refusing to do anything. that is why the suburbs are in trouble.” anything. that is why the suburbs are in trouble. i do wa nt to suburbs are in trouble. i do want to talk about this issue are law and order because in thejoint are law and order because in the joint recommendation that came from the biden bernie sanders task force, you talked about, quote, reimagining policing. first of all, what is reimagining policing and do you support — let me finish the question. what is a reimagining policing mean and do you support the black lives matter call for community control of policing? what i support is the police having the opportunity to deal with the problems they face and i am totally opposed to defunding the police office. asa to defunding the police office. as a matter of fact, the only ones defunding it, his budget calls for a $400 million cut in local law enforcement assistance. they need more assistance. they need more assistance. when they shop for assistance. when they shop for a 9/11 call, they need someone to show up as a psychologist or

psychiatrist to keep them from having to use force and be able to tie people down. we need community facing like we had before where the officers gets to know the people in the communities. that is when crime we nt communities. that is when crime went down. it didn't go down, it went —— didn't go up, it we nt it went —— didn't go up, it went down. that's not what they are talking about. you're talking about defining the police. that is not true. he does not have any law—enforcement support. does not have any law-enforcement support. that's not true. almost nothing. who do have, name a single group that supports you came out to support you? go ahead, think. we don't have time ——we have time. we don't have time to think about this. name a single law—enforcement group that came out to support you. i'm going to ta ke out to support you. i'm going to take back the moderator‘s role and i want to get to another subject which is the issue of protests in many cities that have turned violent. in portland, oregon, we had more than a hundred straight days of protests which i think you would agree,

talking about peaceful protest, many of those turned into riots. as the vice president, you say that people who commit crimes should be held accountable. the question i have though is, as the democratic nominee and earlier tonight you said that you are the democratic party right now, have you ever called the democratic may of portland or the democratic governor of oregon and said, hey, you've got to stop this, bring in the national guard, do whatever it ta kes national guard, do whatever it takes but you would stop the days and months of violence in the portland ? days and months of violence in the portland? i don't hold public office now. i am a former vice president. i public office now. i am a formervice president. i have made it clear, i have made it clear in my public statements that the violence should be prosecuted. it should be prosecuted. it should be prosecuted and anyone who commits it should be prosecuted. you have never called for the leaders in portland and in oregon to call in the national guard and knock offa in the national guard and knock off a hundred days of riots. they can fact take care of it

if he displays out of the way. i really? crosstalk the killer of the young man in the middle of the young man in the middle of the young man in the middle of the street, they shot him in for three days. they didn't do anything. the us marshals. crosstalk and by the way, his own former spokesperson said, you know, riots and chaos and violence help his cause. that is what this is all about. will i don't know who said this. i do. who said that? kellyanne conway said that. here is the point. that is what he keeps trying to do, to rile everything up. he doesn't want to calm things down. instead of going in and talking to people and saying, let's get everybody together and figure out how to deal with this, what does he do? he pours gasoline on the fire constantly, every single solitary time. and to button up this segment, i will give you a minute to answer. you have repeatedly criticised.

crosstalk you're talking before. he made a statement... i would love to and it. crosstalk if you would like to switch seats we could do that. if he sent in the national guard, there will be no problem but they don't want to accept the national guard. you have repeatedly criticised the vice president for not specifically calling out antifa and other left—wing extremist groups. are you willing tonight to condemn a white and militia groups and to say that they need to down and not add to the violence in and not add to the violence in a number of these cities, as we saw in kenosha and as we saw in portland? i would say, saw in kenosha and as we saw in portland? iwould say, almost everything i see is from the left not from the right wing. if you look, i am willing to do anything. i want to see peace. then do it so. say it. what you wa nt to then do it so. say it. what you want to call them? give me a name. white supremacist and right—wing militia.

name. white supremacist and right-wing militia. stand back and standby but i will tell you what, somebody has got to do something about antifa and the left because this is not a right wing problem. this is a left—wing problem. right wing problem. this is a left-wing problem. crosstalk two antifa is an idea, not an organisation. it is not a militia. that is what his fbi director said. we are done so. crosstalk when a bat hit you over the head... everybody in the administration who tells you the truth is a bad idea. antifa is a dangerous, radical... we are moving onto the front and biden records. crosstalk i'm going to answer a question, ask a question. when a president seeks a second term, it is a referendum on his record. vice president biden, you like to quote one of your dad's sayings which is don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the almighty, compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative. and in this case, you are the

alternative. looking at both of your records, i'm going to ask each of you, why should voters elect you president over your opponent. in this segment, president trump you're first, two minutes. because there has never been an administration or president who has done more than i have done in a period of 3.5 years and that is despite the impeachment hoax and you saw what happens today with hillary clinton where there was a whole big conjob. despite going through all these things, there was a fight on both flanks, behind me and above, there has never been administration that has done what i have done. before every came in, the greatest economy in history, the lowest unemployment numbers. every was good, everyone is going — and by the way, unity was going to happen. people were calling me for the first time in years and saying it is time maybe and then what happened, we got here but we are building a back up again. the rebuilding of the military, including space force and all of the other things.

and the fixing of the va which was a mess under him. 308,000 people died because they didn't have proper healthcare. he was a mess and we now have a 91 person approval rating at ba. we ta ke person approval rating at ba. we take care of our veterans. we take care of our veterans. we have re— built our military --va. we have re— built our military ——va. also something, and maybe the most important. by the end of the first time, i will have approximately 300 federal judges and court of appeals judges and court of appeals judges and court of appeals judges and hopefully, three great supreme courtjudges, justices. that is a record the likes of which very few people, and you know one of the reasons why we will have so manyjudges because president obama and him and left me 128 judges to fill. when you leave office, you don't leave anyjudges. just loaded up. they left 128 openings and if i were a member of his party, because they have a little different philosophy, i would say if left us 128

openings, you can't be a good president, you can't be a good vice president. i want to thank you because it gives us, it will probably be above that number by the end of this term. 300 judges, is record. number by the end of this term. 300judges, is record. looking at both your records, why should voters elect you president as opposed to president as opposed to president trump? under this president, we have become webber —— weaker, poorer, more divided and violent. when i was vice president, we inherited a recession. we were asked to fix it andl recession. we were asked to fix it and i did and we left a booming economy. because the recession. with regard to being weaker, the fact is that i have gone head to head with putin and made it clear when not going to take anything of this stuff. he is his puppy. he refuses to say anything to putin about the bounty on the head of american soldiers. crosstalk mr president, your

campaign agreed that both sides would get two minute answers uninterrupted. your site agreed to it and why don't you observe what your campaign agreed to. he never keeps his word. i'm not asking, it's a rhetorical question. so, thirdly, we are poorer. the billionaires have gotten much more wealthy by a tune of over three — gotten much more wealthy by a tune of over three - $400 billion more than just tune of over three - $400 billion more thanjust since covid. given the home got less. in more trouble than you were before. in terms of being more violent. before. in terms of being more viole nt. when we before. in terms of being more violent. when we were in office, there were 15% less violence in america than there is today. he is president of the united states. it is on his watch. with regard to more divided, the nation can't stay divided. we can't be this way and speaking of my son, the way you talk about the military, the way you talk about them

being losers and and just being suckers, my son was in iraq. he spent a year there, he got the bronze star, got the conspicuous service medal. he was not a loser! he was a patriot and the people left behind theirwere patriot and the people left behind their were heroes! patriot and the people left behind theirwere heroes! and i resent. are you talking about hunter? i am talking about my son beau. i don't know your son but i know hunter. he got thrown out of the military. he was dishonourably discharged. that's not true. it was for cocaine use and he didn't have a job until you became vice president. none of that issue. he made a fortune in ukraine and china and moscow and various other places. that is simply not true. he is my son, my son, like a lot of people, like a lot of people we know at home had a drug problem. he has ove rta ke n home had a drug problem. he has overtaken it. he has fixed that. he has worked on and i am proud of him. i am proud my son. crosstalk

he was not given tens of millions of dollars. crosstalk i think the american people would rather hear about more substantial... as the moderator... $3.5 million from the mayor of moscow. that report is totally discredited. mitt romney said that report was not worse... i would like to talk about climate change. the forest fires in the west are raging, they have burnt millions of acres and misplaced hundreds of thousands of people. when state officials blamed the fires on climate change mr president you said i do not think the salience knows. you have pulled the us out of the paris club at accord, you have pulled back

environmental records. what do you believe about the science of climate change and what will you do in the next four years to challenge it. i want crystal clear water and air. we now have the lowest carbon... if you look at our numbers right now, we are doing phenomenally but i have not destroyed our businesses. our businesses are not put out of commission. the paris accord was a disaster and people are actually very happy because our businesses are doing well. you need forest management. the forest floor is a loaded up with trees, years old, and if they are like tender and leaves. you drop a cigarette, the whole forest birds... what do you believe about the science of climate change? i believe we have to do everything we can to have

immaculate air and water. we are planting a billion trees. it is very exciting... do you believe human pollution, greenhouse as emissions contribute? i think a lot of things do. when extent, yes. but we also have to do better management of our forests. every year i get the call, california is a burning. if that was planned, if you had good forest management, you would not be getting those calls. in europe, they have forest cities, they manage that forests. i was with the head of a major country, it is a forest city. he said, we have trees that ignite much easier than california. i spoke with the governor. at some point, i said, you cannot every year

have hundreds of thousands of acres of land adjustment to the ground. that is burning down because of a lack... but if you believe in the science of climate change, why have year—old back the obama clean powerplant which limited carbon emissions in power plants?m was driving energy prices through the sky... relaxed fuel economy standards that will create more pollution from carbon emission? the car is much less expensive and it is much less expensive and it is much safer and you are talking about a tiny difference in what would happen because of the cost of the car, you would have at least double and triple the number of cars purchased. we have the old slugs that are 10-15 have the old slugs that are 10—15 years old. if you did that, the cars would be safer... it would take a lot of because of the market because people could afford to buy a car but we will see how that turns out but many people agree with me. the car has got so

expensive because they have computers all over the place foran computers all over the place for an extra bit of gasoline andi for an extra bit of gasoline and i am ok with electric cars as well. i have given big incentives for electric cars but what they've done in california is just crazy. but what they've done in california isjust crazy. vice president biden, i would like you to respond to the president's climate change record and you have proposed $2 trillion in greenjobs, you talk about you live it on fracking, not abolishing it, and in the use of fossil fuel to generate electricity by 2035 and zero greenhouse gases by 2050. the president says a lot of these things will take the economy and cost millions of jobs. he's absolutely wrong, number numbertwo, i jobs. he's absolutely wrong, number number two, i was able and was in charge to bring down the cost of renewable energy to cheap as coal and gas and oil.

nobody is going to build another coal—fired plant in america, no—one is going to build another oil fired plant. they're going to move to renewable energy. we are going to actual we are able to take the federal fleet and turn it into a fleet that is run on electric vehicles, we can put 500,000 charging stations in all the highways that we will be building in the future. we will build an economy that in fa ct will build an economy that in fact will provide for the ability to take 4 billion buildings and make sure they are weatherised in the way that they will admit significantly less gas and oil because the heat will not be going out. there are so many things we can do to create thousands and thousands ofjobs. do to create thousands and thousands of jobs. we do to create thousands and thousands ofjobs. we can get to net zero in terms of energy production by 2035. not only

not costing people job at creating jobs, good paying jobs. having a new infrastructure that in fact is green. and the first thing i will do, i will rejoin the paris accord because, with us out of it, look what is happening? it is all falling apart. and talk about someone who has no relation with foreign policy, the rainforests in rozelle are being ripped out. more carbon is absorbed than any bit of carbon emitted in the us. is that of doing something about that, i would be gathering up and making sure we have the countries of the well coming up with $20 billion. here is a $20 billion, stop tearing down the forest and if you do not, you will have significant economic consequences or what about the argument that president trump says you have to balance environmental interests and

economic interests? he has drawn his line. he has not drawn his line. he has not drawn a line. he wants to make sure that methane is not a problem. you can emit more methane. this is a guy that says... that's not true. it is all true. the green new deal is $100 trillion. they want to rip down buildings and rebuild the buildings. it is the dumbest, most ridiculous... to cut systems around, their plans around, they want to take out the cows... that is not true either. that is more money than our country could make in 100 yea rs. our country could make in 100 years. that is not the case. crosstalk. i have studied your

plan and it includes upgrading 4 million buildings, whether rising 2 million homes, building 1.5 million energy—efficient homes so the question becomes, the president is saying, and some people who support the president would say, i guess it is going to cost a lot of money and hurt the economy. it is going to create thousands of millions of jobs. let him finish. he does not know how to do that. it will create millions of good paying jobs and tax incentives for people to weatherised, which he wants to get rid of, is going to make the economy much safer. look how much we are paying to deal with the hurricane. he has an answer, maybe you should drop a nuclear weapon... i never said that. yes, you did. we are going to be ina yes, you did. we are going to be in a position where we can create hard, good jobs by making sure the environment is

clean and we are all in a better shape. we spent billions of dollars now on floods, hurricane 's, rising seas. we are in real trouble. look at what is happening in the midwest, storms coming through and wiping out entire sections and wiping out entire sections and counters in our wealth. they did not happen before. that is because of global warming. we make up 50% of the world's problem. we have to get back into the paris accord. why did he not do it for 47 years? china seems real dirt into the air, russia, india. we are supposed to be good. and he made a couple of statements. the green new deal is $100 trillion. that is not my plan. crosstalk gentleman. he and his

friend said i made something up about the military. i never did. he called the military stupid i would never say it. play it. the final question is, i do not remember which of all his rant... i am having a little trouble myself. about the economy and what it is going to cost, the green new deal. the green new deal will pay for itself as we move forward. we're not to build plans that are great polluting plant. you support it? no, i do not. that is a big statement. i support the joe biden plan that

i put forward which is different to what he calls the radical green new deal. final segment. election integrity. millions of americans are receiving mailing ballots or going to vote early. how confident should we be that this will be a fair election and what are you prepared to do over the next five plus weeks, which will include after election day, what are you prepared to do to ensure the next president will be the legitimate winner of this election? prepared to let people vote. decide how and when they are going to vote and what means. he's homeland security director and the fbi director says there is no evidence that mailing ballots

are afraid. he sits behind a resolute desk and sent his ballot to florida. we are going to make sure that those people who want to vote in person are able to vote because there are enough paul watches to make sure they are socially distant, that they open on time. this is about dissuading people from voting because he is trying to scare people into thinking it is not going to be legitimate. show up and vote. you will determine the outcome of this election. vote, vote, vote stopped if you are able to vote early, vote early. if you're able to vote in person, vote in person. vote however you well. he cannot stop you. when the votes are counted, that will be

accepted. if i win, that would be accepted, if i lose, that would be accepted. by the way, if he says he's not sure if he's going to accept, it will, it is not matter because if we get the votes, he's going to go, he cannot in power. it will not happen. so vote, understand that you have it in your control to determine what this country is going to look like in the next four years. is going to change or is going to get four more years of these lies. when i listen tojoe talking about a transition, there is been no transition. if you look at crooked hillary clinton and all of the different people. there was no transition because they came after me, trying to doa they came after me, trying to do a coup. they came after me trying to spy on my campaign. they started from the day i won and even before i won. the day icame and even before i won. the day i came down the escalator with

our first lady. they were a disaster, they were a disgrace to our country and we have caught them. we have got them all. we have it all on tape, we have caught them all and by the way, you gave the idea for the logan act against general flynn. you had better take it a look at that because we caught you ina look at that because we caught you in a sense of the president 0bama you in a sense of the president obama was sitting in the office and knew about it so don't talk about every transition. as far as the ballots are concerned, it isa as the ballots are concerned, it is a solicited ballot, ok? solicited, it is ok because of you are soliciting, you are asking, they send it back, you send it back, i did that. if you have an unsolicited... they are sending millions of ballots all alone the country. —— all around the country. they found some that had the numb —— the name trump, it was found in a wastepaper basket. it was around the place. they sent two and a democrat area, everybody got to ballots. this is going to bea got to ballots. this is going to be a fraud like you have never seen. the other thing, it is nice, on november three, you are watching and you see who won the election and i think we

will do well because people are really ha p py will do well because people are really happy with the job we have done that you know what? we might not know for months because these ballots are going to be all over. take a look at what happened in manhattan, ta ke what happened in manhattan, take a look at what happened in newjersey, take a look at what happened in virginia and other places. they are not losing 2%, 196, places. they are not losing 2%, 1%, which by the way is too much was not they are losing 30 and 40%. it is a fraud! and it isa and 40%. it is a fraud! and it is a shame. can you imagine when they say, you have to have your ballot in by november ten, november ten, that means that is seven days after the election, in theory, should have been announced. ok. major state all run by democrats. crosstalk. president trump, you are going to be able to continue. you have been charging for months that mail in balloting is going to be a disaster. you say it is rigged, going to lead to fraud but in 2018 in the last mid—term election, 81 million people voted mail in voting. that was

a quarter, more than a quarter of all the voters that year, cast their ballots by mail. now that millions of mail in ballots have gone out, what are you going to do about it and are you counting on the supreme court, including justice barrett, to settle any dispute? i think barrett, to settle any dispute? ithink i'm barrett, to settle any dispute? i think i'm counting on them to look at the ballots, definitely. i hope we don't need them in terms of the election itself, but for the ballots, i think so because what's happening is incredible. ijust heard, i read today that at least 1% of the ballots for 2016 were invalidated. they ta ke 2016 were invalidated. they take them, we don't like them, we don't like them. if there are millions of ballots going out... crosstalk. you do a solicited ballot, that is ok i'm asking you about the fact that millions of people... you go and vote. like they used to. william's of people... you either do, chris, solicited ballot, they are sending in,

they have mailmen with lots of... did you see what is going on? takea of... did you see what is going on? take a look at west virginia, they are being sold, they are being dumped in rivers. this is a horrible thing for our country. there is no evidence of that. there is no evidence of that. there is no evidence of that. there is no evidence. this is not going to end well. five states have had mail in ballots for the la st had mail in ballots for the last decade or more, including two republican states. you don't have to solicit the ballot, it is sent to you. it is sent to your home. what they are saying is it has to be a postmark by the time, by election day. if it doesn't get in until the seventh, eighth, ninth, it still should be counted. he is just ninth, it still should be counted. he isjust afraid of counting the votes... you are wrong, you are wrong.” counting the votes... you are wrong, you are wrong. i want to continue with you on this, vice president beynon. levicki is a social wrong. —— he is so wrong. i want to go to you vice president. it has not been

wrong, historically. it has beenin wrong, historically. it has been in sizeable numbers, sometimes hundreds of thousands of ballots have been thrown out because they have not been properly filled out there was other irregularity... are you concerned that the supreme court with justice barrett will settle a ny court with justice barrett will settle any dispute? i am concerned that any court will settle this because here is the deal. when you get a ballot and you fill it out, you are supposed to have an affidavit. if you don't know, if you don't know this is me, you should be able to. it you can verify that as you before the ballot is thrown out, that is sufficient to be able to count the ballot because someone made a mistake and not dotting the correct i. sakeit and not dotting the correct i. sake it is you, that is totally legitimate. —— say it is you. s if you have 80 million ballots, senator, swamping the system, you know it can't be done for the you know it can't. already

there has been fraud. crosstalk. gentlemen, final question. in eight states, election workers are prohibited currently by law, eight states, by even beginning to process ballots. even take them out of the envelopes and flatten them until election day. that means it is likely because there is going to be a huge increase in mail—in balloting, we are not going to know on election night it could be weeks, it could be months. for you, finally, for the vice president, i hope neither of you will interrupts, will you urge voters to stay calm, not to engage in any civil unrest and will you pledge tonight that you will not declare victory until the election has been independently certified? president trump? you go first. i am urging my

supporters to go into the polls and watch very carefully because that is what has to happen. i am urging them to do it was up as you know today, there was a big problem. in philadelphia, they went into watch, they were called poll watchers, a very safe and very nice thing. they were thrown out and weren't allowed to watch was up you know why? because bad is happening philadelphia, bad rings. iam urging my people, i hope it is going to be a fair election. i am 100% on board, it is fair election for the beef it if i -- if election for the beef it if i --if| election for the beef it if i —— if i see tens of thousands of ballots being manipulated, i can't go along with that. due tell people to tab to the streets ? tell people to tab to the streets? what are you going to do? crosstalk was up these people aren't equipped to handle it. number 14. people aren't equipped to handle it. number14. number two, they cheat. they cheat. they cheat. they found ballots ina they cheat. they found ballots in a waste basket. they were military ballots, military, they all had the name trump on them. do you think that is

good? eyes president biden, -- vice president biden, last question for you. will you urge your vote rs question for you. will you urge your voters to stay calm and not alleged victory until you -- until it not alleged victory until you —— until it is been counted question might these cannot be opened until election day. question might these cannot be opened until election day! question might these cannot be opened until election day. . by the way, our military, they have been voting by ballots for sent, at the end of the civil war, in effect, and that is why, why is it for them somehow not fraudulent? it is the same process. it is honest. no—one has established at all that there is fraud related to mail in ballots. that somehow it is a fraudulent process. it has already been established. you had an opportunity to respond. based president biden, go ahead with the he has no idea what he

is talking about, here is the deal. i will accept it and he will, the top once the votes are counted, that will be the end of it. that will be the end of it and if it is me, in fact, fine, if it is not me, i will support the outcome. and i will bea support the outcome. and i will be a president notjust for the democrats, i will be a president for democrats and republicans and this guy... gentlemen, this is the end of this debate. we're going to leave it there. crosstalk. to be continued. in more debates as we go on. president trump, vice president biden, it has been an interesting 1.5 hours. i want to thank you both for participating in the first of three debates that you have engaged in. we want to thank case western university in the clevela nd case western university in the cleveland clinic for hosting this event. the next event will be one week from tomorrow, october seven, at the university of utah in salt lake

city. the two vice presidential nominees, vice president mike pence and senator kamala harris will debate at 9pm eastern that night. we hope you watch and until then, thank you and good night. that is indeed the end of the first presidential debate in this 2020 election campaign. between donald trump and joe biden, moderated, kind of, it has to be said, by chris wallace of fox news. katty kay is in washington for us right now watching along with, we think, about 100 million americans tuning into watch this was up maybe even 70 in that room because of the covid restrictions. katty kay, i am speaking as an old white guy, i see to old white guys figuring, insulting, talking over each other, with very little control of the chair and i have a timeline of people saying it this really a sensible way to choose a president of the united states? element i don't know about you, mike, but i

think a large glass of wine is needed. at this point in time. that was absolutely exhausting. i don't know if people tuned in at the beginning, whether it was 100 million, iwould be very surprised if it was still 100 million by the end of it. it was unedifying, it was impossible to make out policy positions. all three of the elderly white men in that room at one point were yelling at each other which is a pretty curious representation of this country. i just don't see curious representation of this country. ijust don't see how this helps voters choose the next president of the united states. perhaps if what you wa nt states. perhaps if what you want from the next president is somebody that can yell over somebody that can yell over somebody else and act from all parties, confusingly, like my children acted better when they we re children acted better when they were in kindergarten, frankly. i don't know how that's going to make the case for more presidential debates that it is interesting listening to quite a lot of people in social media

this evening, they are saying perhaps they shouldn't be more presidential debates because this doesn't advance the argument. certainly not the argument. certainly not the argument for policy differences a nyway argument for policy differences anyway because you just couldn't hear them, even if you wa nted couldn't hear them, even if you wanted to, you couldn't hear them. there was certainly a feeling. joe biden was trying with addresses to camera to court to america and mr trump was dressed —— addressing eitherjoe biden or if addressing was the right word, or chris wallace but you have to wonder, those are supposed women in the suburbs that politicians are trying to gain the votes of, they go for this? —— do they go for this? the votes of, they go for this? -- do they go for this? i don't know. it sounds like you are being yelled at by all the men you have ever had an argument with. seriously. i mean, i just... exactly. if i am with. seriously. i mean, i just... exactly. ifi am an undecided female voter and i have to make my decision based on that, i don't know whose policy will definite ——

necessarily help me because i couldn't hear them. i will —— i am thinking of the poor people who had to transcribe battles up who had to transcribe battles upi who had to transcribe battles up i missed a bit of the debate and my husband said to me, i'm sure there is instant transcript and then he laughed because how do you transcribe something like that? i think there is a really serious discussion to be had coming out of that about whether these debates, and to some extent this was raised during the primary is when they were so many people on the stage and there was a gladiatorial contest. does this help making a sensible decision about the next president of the united states ? next president of the united states? i think i will get that glass of wine, mike. i'm sure i deserve one. i'm -- i hope the bbc can guarantee you a glass of wine, well, your husband can bring you want to stop it was also vicious. yes, it was vicious. at one point donald

trump went after former vice president'sjoe biden's sons. that got particularly vicious. joe biden accused the president of the united states of being a liar, using this mocking tone about him. if i had to make a call who did this help, to the extent that people went into this on the democratic side worried thatjoe biden might make a huge gas or a peer —— make a huge gas or a peer —— make a huge gaffe or appear stumbling for some he did a reasonably effective job, problem more effective. —— probably more effective than hillary clinton did four years ago, of handling donald trump ona ago, of handling donald trump on a stage. yes, he is not the most coherent and sometimes his argument got swallowed. i

didn't know what he was going to do on healthcare, covid or taxes, oddly that was one of his weaker moments, when he was talking about covid. he held his own against donald trump andi his own against donald trump and i think democrats will be pleased with that because that is pretty much all they felt he needed to do. katty kay, go and have a wine. thank you. laura trevelya n have a wine. thank you. laura trevelyan is in cleveland, ohio where it all happened. i have a list here with what other headlines, what hits, what message should voters take and why should voters trust this man under this man was to mark underneath it i wrote, wow was not element yes, it certainly was chaotic. i have a headache. i have a headache from watching it and i have a headache from watching itandi i have a headache from watching it and i wrote notes underneath andi it and i wrote notes underneath and ijust it and i wrote notes underneath and i just wrote it and i wrote notes underneath and ijust wrote it it and i wrote notes underneath and i just wrote it was it and i wrote notes underneath and ijust wrote it was chaos and ijust wrote it was chaos andi and ijust wrote it was chaos and i wondered what undecided voters would make of it. i also

wondered what the next debate will be like and how the moderator will handle it, if indeed there is a next debate because the fact was that president trump didn't stick to the rules, each candidate was supposed to get two minutes to speak uninterrupted and then they were supposed to have two minutes on each topic where they would discuss and so then of course the rules went com pletely of course the rules went completely by the wayside and joe biden didn't stick to them either. but i suppose, if you think, president trump wanted to reset the race, not sure he reset the race, i think hejust made it — there were a lot of personal attacks. joe biden seemed steady which as katie was saying, the democrats's worst nightmare would be that he stumbled and made gaffes. and he didn't so maybe it was a draw? these polls suggest that i think, what,

draw? these polls suggest that ithink, what, 14% draw? these polls suggest that i think, what, 14% of voters, only that number are undecided at this stage around who they will vote for. as you said before, i think 1.2 million people have already voted with five weeks to go before the election. this name—calling, this really serious name—calling between the two candidates. how do you think that plays politically with those people? well, i decide to know isn't it really because it is difficult to think that president trump will have done much to win over wavering voters because he went in hard and he attacked joe biden. he didn't really do a tremendous amount to talk about what he would do in a second term and thatis would do in a second term and that is something that his aides would say he would do going into it. he would spell out a positive vision for why you should vote for donald trump ina you should vote for donald trump in a second term in there really wasn't very much about. there was a lot of sustained attack onjoe biden. i guess another moment that stood out from the debate was the exchange about joe from the debate was the exchange aboutjoe biden's son hunter. and when joe exchange aboutjoe biden's son hunter. and whenjoe biden was

talking about his son beau who died of cancer who was a military veteran, donald trump turned the tables to be talking about hunter biden. that was in about hunter biden. that was in a way that seemed when you're talking to a parent who has lost a child, it seemed a little bit mishandled. is that something that potentially would put off people who are unsure about how to vote? it's very ha rd to unsure about how to vote? it's very hard to know. i think anybody who watched the whole debate is still reeling from it and wondering quite what to make of it. laura, thank you very much for that. we're going to speak to the former communications director for president trump's 2016 campaign, brian lanza in washington. good to talk you. you know that the president presented this before it started as a debate between him and a man who was essentially senile and could barely function. whatever you think of joe biden, he was functioning wasn't he? yes, and all, thank you for having me. joe biden did meet the bar of functioning

but i think some of the state m e nts but i think some of the statements he made are going to cause a tremendous amount of damage to his campaign going forward because they are unsubstantiated but true. i think that is what the campaign wa nted think that is what the campaign wanted to do, get his 47 year record of failure out compared to what he's saying now. i think he into the trap of making these declarative state m e nts making these declarative statements that are despicable. is that of major policy decisions for the states of ohio, pennsylvania and michigan. we have got fact checkers working at the moment. nothing much could be sad about what president said. what do you think should be played about, i think there was a sense that when joe about, i think there was a sense that whenjoe biden was speaking to the camera, he was trying to speak to americans. president trump iva seemed to be railing against or interrupting job biden or overriding chris wallis? it was a demolition derby. we have that here in the us where cars are put together and crash in crash and crash. i think substantively, crash and crash. i think su bsta ntively, voters crash and crash. i think substantively, voters and walk away from us. it was hard to

make a hard cohesive argument to why he should receive a second term. i think when you look at that, that is a disadvantage forjoe biden. he has demonstrated that he has not ready to take the mantle of the presidency. but he was sought only owned in the conversation as president trump was so disruptive and rude and many other things. i think it didn't really showjoe biden in a presidential way. do didn't really showjoe biden in a presidentialway. do you really think this is the best way to help choose the next president of the united states? no. i think there's a soundbites. joe biden, trump... will soundbites, you couldn't even hear them. i don't think voters got a lot out of it. it was like a college football game. he left she is for left annie wright for the right and you watch the wreckage take place on the field. no, i don't think this is a substantive way for us to choose voters but it is the only way we have and

it's not changing in the near future. so hopefully next debate, the moderator can do a bit of a betterjob. i don't expect much to change. but the moderator can't do a betterjob unless he can literally kill, let's face it, it was donald trump mostly who was doing the interrupting. unless they can kill somebody's could run onstage, i don't see how the moderator can do a betterjob and i'm seriously wondering what the point is of the next two presidential debates. lesson, there is a very good questions. if these two next debates are what we receive now, it will be a tremendous disservice to the american public. there are a lot of issues, there is a lot of contrast between what is canada's contrast between what is ca nada's want contrast between what is canada's want do. president trump's style is to be aggressive, lenient and push forward and joe biden's was to be dismissive, laugh and betray this strong commander—in—chief view. from the theatrics, i think it hurtjoe biden. from the fanatical side of it but

the fanatical side of it but the policy side, —— theatrical. i don't think both of these sides walk away and say, you know, the president or vice president as of this effectively so i'm now on their side. this was very much a couege side. this was very much a college football game where each team and the fans shared for their own team. thank you for their own team. thank you for your candour on the brain because i am wondering what the point is also. thank you for joining us. thank you. that speak now to the democratic party strategist marion marsh was in boston for us. good to to you. it was a really ugly dogfight wasn't it. ijust wonder, there were many things that president trump managed to get in thatjoe biden did manage to answer and perhaps because he wasn't allowed to a nswer because he wasn't allowed to answer and i think those will —— i wonder if they will hang in the airand —— i wonder if they will hang in the air and stick with the voters ? in the air and stick with the voters? i think the real point here is thatjoe biden walked into the debate the frontrunner and left the frontrunner. the

reason is that donald trump needed to change the dynamics of this race and what he did tonight didn't help him, it hurt him because he needs to win back white suburban boaters and seniors. he is losing the white vote and that is the predominant number of voters in this country. he needs to win back people who voted for him the last time who now have buyers remorse. by his conduct tonight, he alien entered them. he has only got 34 days left to try and catch up, especially in a place like pennsylvania where you are now starting to seejoe biden go above 50% in pennsylvania, michigan, in wisconsin. the only place for donald trump to go is to try and win back people who voted for him the last time. and tonight from his performance, certainly his base love that are now more fired up now. no question. but that was not donald trump's job. he question. but that was not donald trump'sjob. he needs to pick up points and i think he lost them instead. do you think it works for a candidate to say

to the face of the prison of united states, everybody knows he's a liar, to call him a racist. the fact is this man does not know what he's talking about. joe biden also said, "will you shut up, keep yapping. you "will you shut up, keep yapping, you need to shoot for a minute". he called him a clown and he says" i don't want him to answer because he knows i have the truth". you are the worst president we have ever had. do you of voters?” worst president we have ever had. do you of voters? i think on the first point where donald trump was called a liar, that's a provable facts. he has light over 20,000 times and offer so far. there are people working on it. on the rest, didn't help either one of them in that respect but overwhelmingly, it was donald trump's strategy to be disruptive and filibuster. whenjoe biden be disruptive and filibuster. when joe biden had be disruptive and filibuster. whenjoe biden had his shots and he had several, including on covert, he looked at the camera and he spoke to the american people and he made his case and when he did, he did her trump which is why he kept trying to interrupt him to throw him off his game. isjoe biden the best debater, no but

given where we are in this race with 34 days to go and joe biden consistently leading in the states that matter, this was not a good night for donald trump. i don't say that as a pa rt trump. i don't say that as a part of them. theyjust trump. i don't say that as a part of them. they just where we are in this race. maryann, you canjoin mike and i for a glass of wine for us after this because i'm sure you are as exhausted as we were from that spectacle. i wanted to pick up on what i was talking about with ryan because i think there isa with ryan because i think there is a real question now about whether there should be two more debates in this campaign. how, or rather, let me rephrase it differently, what could be done to restructure the debates in sucha done to restructure the debates in such a way that actually vote rs in such a way that actually voters get what they need out of it. if anything? it won't be the debates. there was a debate and a wrestling match showed up instead. donald trump has boxed everybody into his game so if you cut his mic, he will say he

is being silenced and cheated. he is questioning the outcome of the election already. he is telling people to go to polling places. he is bringing in the supreme court. the debate is not yet. i think tonight's debate, the first half hour, which is the one that really matters, — it will be interesting to see how many people dropped off of the debate after the first 30 minutes. it'll be interesting to see what the polling numbers are in the days to converse for donald trump. we have talked about this before, this is a very fixed race. 93 — 95% of voters since august have already known who they are going to vote for. we're talking about margins and we probably should go ahead with the two debates but i don't expect to be any better. -- them to be any better. thank you forjoining us mary anne marsh. thank you for being with us. we have any idea of what four more years of america president trump would look like or what four years of america under president biden will look like. i will leave that to you.

34 days, by westerly election and many people already voted. that's it for now. much more on the bbc website and other innovators. —— twitter pages. hello there. most parts of the country enjoyed some sunshine on tuesday — temperatures reached 21 celsius in kent. today, though, we are going to find cooler and wetter weather arriving across the uk, and sunshine will be in short supply. and that's because all this cloud has been massing out in the atlantic and is now starting to stream in, and these weather fronts are bringing with it some outbreaks of rain that will push their way eastwards steadily through the day. now, ahead of that rain, it's a milder start to the morning. temperatures in double figures in most areas. but the winds could be quite strong and gusty through the irish sea first thing, and we have got a wet start to the day across many western areas. some early brightness perhaps across eastern england,

but the rain will push steadily eastward through the day. some heavier rain over some of the western hills. and while some western areas may well turn a bit brighter in the afternoon, there will still be some heavy showers around as well — so not a straightforward clea ra nce. temperatures will be lower — 14 degrees in scotland, northern ireland, highest temperatures in the southeast before that rain sets in from mid afternoon onwards. that rain does then move away overnight. that weather front takes the rain into the north sea. then behind that, the air gets cooler. so, temperatures will be lower still, i think, on thursday. maybe still quite damp in the northeast of scotland for a while, there will be some sunny spells elsewhere, some showers likely to break out, particularly across more southern and western parts of england and into wales, perhaps into northern ireland as well. the winds will be lighter, there will be some sunshine at times, but the air is still on the cold side with temperatures only 12—15 degrees on thursday despite the sunshine. as we move things into friday, where we have got the threat of some heavier rain coming into southern parts of the uk, together with some

strengthening winds, gales, possibly even severe gales as well. looks a bit drier and less windy as you head northwards into scotland and northern ireland, but it's still on the chilly side. some uncertainty as we head into friday and into the weekend as well, because we've got a potentially rather nasty area of low pressure, and essentially over the weekend, we are going to find low pressure dominating right the way across the uk. so the weekend forecast doesn't look particularly appealing. it's going to remain on the chilly side, there will be a lot of cloud around, some strong winds and some rain at times.

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