good morning — welcome to breakfast with dan walker and louise minchin. our headlines today: will you shut up, man? don't ever use will you shut up, man? don't ever use that word. because you know what, there's nothing smart about you at all? it's hard to get any word in with this clown. personal attacks and fiesty exchanges — donald trump and joe biden face—off in their first presidential debate. millions tuned in overnight to watch the pair clash over covid, taxes and even their own families. there's new restrictions for more parts

of wales as northern ireland introduces a curfew. boris johnson will update the public later. could energy going green costjobs? as shell moves from oil to renewable sources — and assesses the impact of covid — could more redundancies be on the way? a dramatic penalty shootout with tottenham coming out on top. chelsea miss the last spot kick to put spurs through to the league cup quarterfinals, increasing their fixture pile—up. a yawning rabbit, goat in a hammock dog that can walk on water. the contenders fighting for top place at the comedy pet photography awards. from the temperate house and two gardens, the state of the world's plant infungi gardens, the state of the world's plant in fungi report is released showing extinction rates might be higher. we will have more stats through the programme but for the

forecast is for wet and windy weather in the north—west spreading east through the course of the day. more details in ten minutes. it's wednesday september 30th. our top story. the us presidential candidates have taken part in their first televised debate, ahead of november's election. donald trump and joe biden clashed over issues including coronavirus, race and the economy in a series of heated exchanges. our washington correspondent gary o'donoghue has the details. it's gary o'donoghue has the details. the biggest morr election it's the biggest moment of the election campaign so far. toto, face—to—face, the virtual sparring over, the time that the gloves come off and it wasn't long before the insults started to fly. i'm not here to call out his lies, everyone knows he's a liar... you're the liar. i wa nt to he's a liar... you're the liar. i want to make sure. you came last in your class, not first in your class.

0h, your class, not first in your class. oh, god. the spy the first subject being the vacant seat on the supreme court, much of the discussion centred on healthcare and whether the court could scrap the affordable ca re the court could scrap the affordable care act. joe biden said the president wanted to take away healthcare from 20 million americans. the president said he would do a greatjob on drug prices. all of the things that we've done... i'll give you an example, insulin. it was destroying families, destroying people. i'm getting it for so cheap, it's like water, you wa nt to for so cheap, it's like water, you want to know the truth, so cheap. take a look at all the drugs, what we're doing, description drug prices. we are going to allow our governors to go to other countries to buy drugs because they payjust a tiny fraction. the covid-19 pandemic was always going to be central to this debate and joe biden wasted no time in laying the blame for america's 7 million cases in 200,000 deaths at the president's door.“ we would have listened to you, the

country would have been left wide open, millions of people would have died, not 200,000, and one person is too much, it's china's fault, it should never have happened. resident trump's taxes were bound to be a question given claims it only paid $750 in federal income tax on his first year in office. millionaires and billionaires like him in the middle of the covid crisis have done very well. billionaires have made another $300 billion because of his profligate to tax proposal and focus on the market. after months of protests following the killing of african—americans by protests following the killing of african—america ns by police, protests following the killing of african—americans by police, the president has made law and order a central question in his campaign. he is arguing that the democrats are anti— police. is arguing that the democrats are anti- police. you can't even say the word law enforcement because if you say those words, you're going to lose all your radical left supporters. and then it all got really personal when the president

began his much anticipated attack on joe biden‘s children. the moderator interrupted the former vice president bit. he was not a loser, he was a patriot and the people left behind their were heroes and i resent... like hunter? i'm about my son beau biden. i'm talking about hunter. hunter got thrown out of the military. this was a thoroughly bad tempered and chaotic affair. both sides will claim a victory, both sides will claim a victory, both sides will claim a victory, both sides will live to fight another day. let's get more on the debate now with our washington correspondent, nomia iqbal. nomia, who came out on top? what do you think the american public will pick out of that? well, not the american public, that's for

sure, according to a lot of the us tv network. 0ne hope priorfile —— high—profile news presenter used to swear word to sum up the debate, another presenter described it as a dumpsterfire. another presenter described it as a dumpster fire. we always another presenter described it as a dumpsterfire. we always knew another presenter described it as a dumpster fire. we always knew that president trump would be like this ina president trump would be like this in a debate. we know his style, we just saw it there. the trump campaign team actually set a pretty low bar for campaign team actually set a pretty low barforjoe biden, there are a lot of baseless accusations made about his mental health and so forth and he skipped over the bar as we saw in the debate. but donald trump still wa nts saw in the debate. but donald trump still wants to portray himself as the outsider that he has a record to defend, he's been president forfour yea rs defend, he's been president forfour years and still wants to show that joe biden is the ultimate career politician, having been in office for 47 years but the big question is, does it change anything, do people care about this debate? cbs,

48% said biden one, a01% people care about this debate? cbs, a8% said biden one, a01% said trump one. this sums up how polarised the country is. most people have made up their minds, millions of already voted, and there are not a lot of undecided people left in this country, about ia%, two more debates to come, i'm sure we will be seeing much of the same as what we've seen the seat. -- this evening. the first of three debates. we will look at some of the content of that debate a bit later. pubs, hotel bars and restaurants will have to shut at 11pm in northern ireland under new rules for the hospitality sector.the rules come into force from midnight tonight. first minister arlene foster said there could be no exceptions to the rule, and it would also apply to weddings and other social events.

borisjohnson will hold a press conference this afternoon to update the public on the coronavirus pandemic. it's happening ahead of new restrictions coming into force in northern ireland and north wales. we can speak now to our political correspondent helen catt. helen, what can we expect to hear later today from the prime minister? helen, tell us about this vote in the commons later today? it's not going to be about those restrictions in northern ireland. the government sets the regulations for england only. we not expecting any drastic change in those regulations to come out of that press c0 nfe re nce . regulations to come out of that press conference. we know the government has been keen to let the rule of six that it announced bed in and see what the impact is from that. the expectation i think is that. the expectation i think is that we might get an update on where the figures are and what, if any impact there has been from those restrictions that were most recently introduced. we know there is a vote in the commons later about

regulations, there is a lot of power over our lives. each six months that's the vote that's happening this afternoon, is no suggestion that mps will vote against that. more say over any future coronavirus restrictions. concerns about the fa ct restrictions. concerns about the fact that in england, children aren't exempt from the rule of six, there are worries about that 10pm cu rfew there are worries about that 10pm curfew so the technical way they are trying to do it in parliament, some question about whether or not and that will work but what it's done is lead to these side chats because a lot of conservative mps have signed up lot of conservative mps have signed up to back it, 50 of them, side chats between mps and the government, so we will see later

whether that has gotten the government to come into any sort of compromise. meanwhile four councils in north wales are to go into local —— a shipment of british beef will be exported to the united states today, the first of its kind since 1996. american authorities banned beef from the eu in the wake of the bse outbreak, otherwise known as mad cow disease, but the restrictions were lifted in march. ministers say the export was an historic moment for british farming. a hydrogen—powered train has travelled on britain's rail network for the first time ever, reaching speeds of up to 50 miles per hour. the prototype train, called the hydroflex, made a 25—mile round trip in warwickshire — all while producing zero emissions. 0ur transport correspondent tom burridge was on board. the prototype train, called the hydroflex, a20- a20— mile a 20— mile hydrogen powered round trip and a first for uk rail. here we are, uk mainline running on

com pletely clea n, we are, uk mainline running on completely clean, green electricity. hydro fuel cell and battery, it's a massive moment. on-board hydrogen is me with oxygen to produce electricity to power the motors. having trains that can run on hydrogen power means they can run when there are no overhead wires, there isn't electricity available. this is a prototype, so its maximum speed is about 50 miles an hour. it ta kes m ost speed is about 50 miles an hour. it takes most of the day to fill up the hydrogen tanks on board. then it can travel about 100 miles. the challenge now is to get all of this equipped and underneath the train so we can have passengers inside and carry on service. the aim is for paying passengers to travel on like this one by the end of next year. the project has the government's backing. hope of this is to get it up backing. hope of this is to get it up to 200 miles of normal line speed and getting all the infrastructure

in place. and that's the broader challenge, having an up hydrogen available to power trains in the future and ensuring the hydrogen itself is sourced in a sustainable way. tom burridge, bbc news, in warwickshire. very interesting. carol is having a very busy week. she's been to a whole list of most beautiful gardens and today she is at kew gardens. i am in the template house at kew gardens and today's state of the world's plant and fungi plants is released and the statistics are out, with many plants threatened with extinction. how can we help? it is also showing that we are not using

pla nts also showing that we are not using plants and fungi as much as we could. we could use them much more for our food, could. we could use them much more for ourfood, fuel and could. we could use them much more for our food, fuel and medicine. it's quite toasty in here this morning. it's not hot like you would expect. we are under the flight path for heathrow. you can hear planes going overhead. 0utside, it's not a particularly cold start to the day. what we have today is rainy and windy conditions already in the north and west moving eastwards through the course of the day and some of that rain will be heavy. some mist and fog to watch out for across parts of hampshire and east anglia and for some eastern areas, a bright start. don't be fooled, rain going to push slowly eastwards on with it, gusty winds. strongest across the irish sea originally and then, initially, through the english channel in the afternoon.

temperatures today, this evening and overnight, the rain eventually moves out. also across north—east scotland. a cold and i tonight in rural areas would got clear skies, also a touch of frost. tomorrow, while we start as we're going to finish, we're looking at some rain across parts of northern and north—eastern scotland, one or two showers across southern areas as well as wales and also into northern ireland times but for many, it will actually be dry. don't be fooled, cooler for the rest of the week and u nsettled. cooler for the rest of the week and unsettled. in fact, cooler for the rest of the week and unsettled. infact, friday, into the weekend, we could have stormy conditions coming our way, something definitely to keep watching the forecast for. glad you are indoors today after two days braving the cold. the first presidential debate between mr trump and joe biden was full of heated exchanges, fiery insults and personal attacks.

in the turbulent 90 minutes they argued over the united state's response to coronavirus, healthcare and race. let's get more on this from julia manchester, who's the political reporterfor the hill. julia, we spoke to you yesterday ahead of the debate — did it live up to your expectations? i've been watching presidential debates here in the united states since 2000 when former president bush went up against al gore and i've never seen anything like this, the negative reaction to this debate has gone on line from viewers and commentators here in the united states has been overwhelming, what you saw was a sitting president of the united states go up against a former vice president, the two spent the first 20 minutes of the debate talking over each other, over the moderator, one telling the other to shut up, the other lobbing insults

about the other‘s family, that being president from going afterjoe biden and itjust got so incredibly personal, i think we all knew it was going to get and heated but we didn't expect it to get this contentious this quickly. didn't expect it to get this contentious this quicklylj didn't expect it to get this contentious this quickly. i wonder amongst all of the insults, did they learn anything, the american public, about any policy intentions from eitherjoe biden or president trump? i don't really think so. joe biden and president trump really dug into their current policy stances, what they have been talking to, whether it was president trump defending his coronavirus plan or joe it was president trump defending his coronavirus plan orjoe biden attacking president trump's coronavirus response. 0ne attacking president trump's coronavirus response. one moment that did get quite a bit of attention was when president trump was asked to disavow white supremacy here in the united states and particularly white supremacist, the white group called the proud boys.

he did not disavow them but said "sta nd by". he did not disavow them but said "standby". that got a lot of attention and a lot of quick —— critics of the president said we might not be getting anything new but we are seeing quite the contrasts today. i read in a newspaper, forjoe biden to have a bad day, he had to have a terrible night. did he have a terrible night ordid he do night. did he have a terrible night or did he do enough to convince people he could potentially be the next president? he did not have a terrible night. i thinkjoe biden did what he needed to do. he appeared calm and especially when president trump was attacking his son, hunter biden and president trump did not even acknowledge the fa ct trump did not even acknowledge the fact that his other son served in the military. joe biden kept calm through that and did resort to

name—calling at one point but resident trumps at the bar low and biden surpassed it. —— president trump set the bar low. do you think there will be some appetite in the american public for another two nights of that? we will really have to see. there is not appetite at that moment. we also have the vice presidential debate coming up later in october so that is something to look forward to but it will be interesting to see because the next debate as town hall so it won'tjust be the moderator, it will be real voters, undecided voters, asking questions. it will be interesting to see whetherjoe biden and donald trump keep up this bickering back and forth during the debate or if they get really into substance with real—life voters. they get really into substance with real- life voters. a word they get really into substance with real-life voters. a word on the moderator. is it impossible to moderate debate like that where both men are intent on interrupting or not letting people finish their points? it almost seems like that

was part of the play from both individuals, to make sure that the other didn't get a chance to finish their address, if you like. it is certainly difficult and chris wallace definitely had a big task ahead of him. however, i was a little shocked that chris wallace didn't doa little shocked that chris wallace didn't do a betterjob of at least getting a handle on the situation. it seemed like donald trump was bullying both him and joe biden and taking shots at both of them. the moderator should be able to stay out of that and shut that down really quickly. however, chris wallace was unable to do that. chris wallace is known as a very good moderator and interviewer on his fox news sunday show so it could definitely be a difficult task but for any moderator it would be difficult. i was a little surprised with chris wallace. thank you for your assessment, i am sure we will speak to you again soon, julia manchester, having watched like many people in america, the first presidential debate between donald trump and joe biden.

it was definitely fiery. let's take a look at some of today's papers. they don't have the debate as it was too late for them. they're mainly dominated by boris johnson's apparent failure yesterday to fully grasp the new coronavirus restrictions in the north—east of england. "sorry, the pm hasn't a clue" is the metro headline. the mirror uses the same image of the prime minister scratching his head. its headline reads: "and you thought you were confused". and the same image appears on the telegraph front page, along with a report that mrjohnson's error has fuelled demands from tory rebels who want a vote before any new national measures are brought in. in other news, the new york times online has covered the first presidential debate between donald trump and joe biden. its damning verdict is that the "chaotic" event was dominated by "crosstalk and mockery".

as louise was saying, if you have just woken up and wondering what was said, we will bring you some of it. it was quite extraordinary to watch, a lot of crosstalk. having watched a lot of these in the past, it was extraordinary to see them really go for each other. looking at the inside pages will stop a photography competition about animals. send in your photographs. this is about rude pa rents. your photographs. this is about rude parents. five foul mouth parrots have had to be separated, apparently. they are in lincolnshire zoo. apparently. they are in lincolnshire zoo. they joined the apparently. they are in lincolnshire zoo. theyjoined the wildlife park in august but apparently the new arrivals, the five of them, started encouraging each other to swear. yes. "we're quite to parrots swearing , " yes. "we're quite to parrots swearing," they said but they are

not used to five at the same time. most parrots claim up outside but these five relish it. they have been had to be separated because of their bad language. so that they don't set each other off. no—one has complained, apparently, but they we re complained, apparently, but they were separated for the sake of young visitors. i think some people might go therejust to visitors. i think some people might go there just to see them. i understand others wouldn't. 0n the subject of words, this is 18—30 —year—olds, words which these people in that age graph at either don't understand or haven't heard before. things like sozzled, nincompoop, booty, bounder, —— boogie. brill, ke rfuffle, booty, bounder, —— boogie. brill, kerfuffle, disco, tosh. disco? i

feel sad that nincompoop is dying out. we have to bring these things in. why don't you call nincompoop —— nina and nincompoop? no, never. you are talking about shell?” nina and nincompoop? no, never. you are talking about shell? i was thinking you could teach the other words to the parrots and that could help reintroduce the words. nincompoop is a great word. just not calling it to me. thank you. this might sound a bit odd... europe's biggest oil company — shell — is expected to announce more job losses later today as it moves the business away from fossil fuels. an oil company moving away from oil. the british and dutch firm shell will give an update later on its future plans and that could mean job cuts. so why is the performance of a global oilfirm important? well, traditionally big chunks of pension funds are invested in oil, so when they do well, so do pension pots. and last year shell made profits

of almost £12 billion. but the pandemic stopped us in our tracks. we stopped needing oil and its value plummeted. as shell's profits nosedived, they decided to speed up plans for big changes; which involve cutting costs and moving in a greener direction. shell wants to be net zero by 2050. that means not adding to greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. it's an ambition for thousands of companies hoping to help limit any rise in global temperature rise to 1.5 degrees celsius. and some experts say energy companies like shell are in a perfect position to be part of the green revolution. many have major infrastructure in place like the north sea, so for example, areas around the capture and storage, for example, they have and storage, for example, they have a lot of expertise. a lot of geo— expertise and science to enable this to happen. companies like shell, they own a huge amount of real estate. ships fuelling stations

around the country. they have over a5,000 of these so we can see that sort of infrastructure is potentially in the future going to be re— purposed for hydrogen filling stations or things like that. for this to work... shell will need to sell more products like renewable energy, biofuels and hydrogen. that's a big change, and it will also mean taking on people with different skills — and fewer people overall. its rival bp is moving in a similar direction. they've already announced big cuts. shell employs more than 80,000 people worldwide. nearly 7,000 of those in the uk. so what the company has to say about its future will be closely watched by different groups, those worried about theirjobs, those worried about the future of the planet, and those worried about their pensions. interestingly, this morning, a reaction from one of the providers are saying it is great they are moving towards green but if it

happens too quickly, it will create volatility in the oil market and that can affect almost everything. anyone with a pet will probably have spent more time with them over the last six months — so the opportunities to snap a comedy photo of them will have been high. and in recognition of this, we can bring you the finalists of the comedy pets photography awards, which will help put a smile on ourfaces — and we could all do with some more of that right now. let's take a look.

so that competition has been created by the founders of the comedy wildlife photography awards. and it's inspired a little competition here this morning amongst our own team. we would love to get your photos this morning. this is loki, who belongs to our assistant editor mark, looking very christmassy. we also have macy may the cat on her birthday, who belongs to our colleague megan. and this is harvey the cocker spaniel, on holiday in france,

with the barton family. and so of course, we would like to see your pictures. you can email us at bbcbrea kfast@bbc. co. uk. and you can tweet us at hashtag bbcbreakfast. we love your pictures, as ever. time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. good morning from bbc london, i'm alpa patel. young people from london who are being exploited by criminal gangs are being told to dress as key workers according to city hall. it's to enable them to sell drugs, while also getting around lockdown restrictions. the new methods have been revealed following a week of police action to shut down the activity, known as county lines. charities say around 3,000 young londoners are involved in this type of crime.

0ne one thing it tells us is we have a lot of work to do. a lot of the problems happens outside of the family home. we need to make sure we can make community spaces safe for young people so that they are not pulled into this type of criminal activity and experience the degree of harm which they do. a new study by imperial college london says the coronavirus pandemic is worsening the obesity crisis. weight management services were suspended during the covid crisis until recently. and with fears of a second wave specialists are concerned their services might be disrupted again. a lot of us no that for the obese, if they get covid, their outcomes could be much worse but this is a piece of work and research we have carried out that has shown there is worse obesity because of covid. brixton has been selected as one of four locations around the country to install

a special post box to mark black history month. the box in acre lane, was chosen for its proximity to the black cultural archives. each box feature a figure of significance to the british black community. let's take a look at the travel situation now. 0n the tube — a good service across all lines. 0n southeastern: there's no trains running london—bound on the sidcup line. in barking — it's very slow on the a13 into town approaching the beckton roundabout. now the weather with kate kinsella. good morning. 0ne good morning. one or good morning. 0ne ortwo good morning. one or two mist and fog patches around this morning, particularly towards the north of london and out into the home counties. we should get a bright start with a bit of sunshine for the end of the day which is going to be different to the start. cloud increasing this morning and then the rain arriving through the afternoon. the whole time the wind is strengthening. suddenly south—westerly wind and it will make

things fill chilly. cooler than yesterday. this evening it stays with —— wet and windy, clearing away north and east but still the risk of maybe one or two showers and the risk spills into thursday morning as well. the minimum temperature between nine and 11 celsius. thursday is looking at a much drier day. a decent amount of sunshine, still a little easy and the temperature similar. the sunshine doesn't make an impact on the temperature. 1a—15. a deep low pressure m oves temperature. 1a—15. a deep low pressure moves in for friday so turning wet and windy through the afternoon and unsettled through the weekend. i'm back in half—an—hour. plenty more on our website at the usual address. now, though, it's back to dan and louise. good morning, your chin first with dan and louise. good morning, got the neatest use in sport. also on the neatest use in sport. also on the programme.

we will be chatting to strictly‘s amy dowden about living with crohn's disease. spitting image is back with a host of new puppets including borisjohnson, tyson a host of new puppets including boris johnson, tyson furey, a host of new puppets including borisjohnson, tyson furey, ed sheerin and kanye west. comedian griff rhys sheerin and kanye west. comedian griff rhstones will tell us about the list of most at risk edwardian and victorian buildings in england and victorian buildings in england and wales. lots to talk about, including our appointment with the gp. some pharmacies are talking about running out of flu jabs and asking for people to wait. the government says there is no national shortage and there is no national shortage and there will be enough doses in next coming weeks. let's talk about that with our gp doctorjamie parker.

some people, gps and pharmacy saying they run out of flu jabs. what about you? tha nkfully thankfully we haven't. we did last year. you order months in advance and try to plan as best as you can and try to plan as best as you can and if you run out, it's not as easy to get it as quickly as you think so thankfully, we've ordered a lot in advance this time so in a good position. we've already had two big flu clinics already and we've got stock. it is difficult those people who may be not have the stock. even if the supplies are there, they can be quite delayed. is there a finite amount of flu jabs? it depends what the drug companies have made it as far as the drug companies have made it as faras i'm aware, the drug companies have made it as far as i'm aware, there is not a shortage, it's a question of getting it, ordering it, lots of people are competing same flu jabs so it's not as easy as a phone call. it can take

several weeks sometimes. over 65 shall be encouraged to get it now. when will that happen for example in your pharmacy? at our gp practice, we are prioritising those people in the at risk categories as we normally would, those in the over 65 is in long—term health conditions. prioritising those people first. then moving on to the over for these. more changes are coming into north wales. if there are different rules are different local lockdowns, what you say. just being aware there

are different local restrictions and if you are planning on doing something, checking them. as has been demonstrated. knowing they are looking them up, yes. let's also talk about the recent rise in cases, there is going to be a news briefing later on with the prime minister and chief medical officer and scientific officer. we are seeing a rise in the number of cases. acing that reflected in your surgery and concerned are you? yes. also people with symptoms of coronavirus, personally, i'm concerned. i'm not looking forward to the next few weeks, i can't imagine it's going to be nice for anyone to be honest. quite a few people who are potentially avoiding having a test

because they are worried about the implications of the isolation. it can be quite a deterrent, potentially your family having to isolate. it can include calling up and saying, i've got a cough but it's not coronavirus and my question is, how do you know and it's it's not coronavirus and my question is, how do you know and its key to remember that if you have got those symptoms, you've got a temperature of 37.8 and a continuous cough and sudden change in smell, it's important you do self isolate and arrange a test. you can't tell on the phone, can you? no, and it may not be coronavirus, it may be something else but in the context of a pandemic, if you do have those symptoms, it is your duty to get that check and check that it isn't coronavirus. there is very good advice. if you've got the axis for that. good to talk to you as ever.

jane has got the sport for us this morning and it was a good penalty shootout. very interesting. tottenham manager jose mourinho is talking about the number of fixtures they have to play but it doesn't matter because spurs are through to the quarterfinal after beating chelsea. they were 1—0 down when jose after beating chelsea. they were 1—0 down whenjose mourinho stormed down the tunnel in pursuit of eric dyer who ran up the pitch with no explanation. it was an urgent call of nature and he was soon back in action. shortly after, mourinho was smiling again after tottenham equalised. mason mount centre spurs through. after the match, all the talk was about that incident, he was

man of the match. if you've got to 90, man of the match. if you've got to go, you've got to go. just pleased there were no accidents on the pitch. another high—profile player is tested positive for the coronavirus. tiago alcantara tested positive after joining tiago alcantara tested positive afterjoining from bayern munich this month. the national league has been ensure that financial supporters its way. no details have been confirmed but the department is working with the foot will association on a rescue package. rugby, st helens are top of super league after hammering wigan. wigan lead at the start of the night that this was a much changed side. they got two of seven st helens tries. heather watson is worried about the future of british tennis after

becoming the final bits not doubt. she questioned the funding set up, saying she doesn't see who is next. she was beaten in straight sets by ferro. there are no british players in round 2 for the first time in seven yea rs. in round 2 for the first time in seven years. i think personally that more players need to get help rather than just helping your selected. i don't know how many there are, and i feel like there needs to be a bigger pool of support and then in that way, you are not spoiled and you are not given everything at a young age, and you need to work for it and learn the grind on the hard work of the tour and what it takes. staying at the french open, world number one novak djokovic came through his tie comfortably but look at this moment of magic, not from

djokovic but his opponent. the swede managed to pull off this very impressive hotdog shot, look at that, winning a point by playing the ball through his legs. i bet he didn't mind losing that after that shot. that's your sport. thank you very much indeed. having a holiday ‘s plans cancelled because of coronavirus is frustrating but some holidaymakers have been formed forced to wait five months for a refund. 2a,000 people have complained to the uk's competition regulator. sarah corker has the details. golden beaches in the caribbean. millions of dream holidays have been ruined by the pandemic. rory and jan from wigan had their trip to barbados in april cancelled. the couple said getting a refund from

the operator was a battle. just a shocking way to treat people. they wouldn't let you go on holidays if you don't pay on time but they won't refu nd you don't pay on time but they won't refund the money that is rightfully yours. rory said he spent months trying to get £2500 back from tui. eventually he gave up and got a refu nd eventually he gave up and got a refund from his credit card provider instead. a lot of people could have done with the cost of the holiday money in their bank and while they we re money in their bank and while they were looking after themselves. hanging onto that money, others were suffering. how do you feel about the way you've been treated?” suffering. how do you feel about the way you've been treated? i get angry over it. that is caused by frustration. there is nowhere to go, there is no want to talk to. if you pa rt there is no want to talk to. if you part with £2500, you'd expect that your money was safe, secure. tui said it cancelled 2 million holidays and its systems were overwhelmed at the height of the crisis but it is on track to clear the back log of

refunds by the end of today. anyone who's package holiday has been cancelled as the right to a full cash refund. by law, you should get your money back within 1a days stop if your flight is cancelled, you are entitled to a refund within seven days. the huge backlog is led to long delays. how long have you been waiting to get your money back and how much are you owed? so i've been waiting about five months and i mowed just over £1500. david's family holiday to turkey was cancelled in april. he had booked tui flights through lastminute. com. ididn't imagine tui flights through lastminute. com. i didn't imagine it would take this long to get the money back. you would allow things for coronavirus but not five months worth, its just been unbelievably frustrating as a process. when it should be seven days, it's taken five months. exactly. lastminute.com said the volume of cancellations was unprecedented. it's apologised for

delays and is working through all refu nd delays and is working through all refund requests. another frustration for travellers has been airlines encouraging them to take vouchers instead of money back. they certainly didn't make it easier for you to get a refund. terry from inverness now has two sets of vouchers from british airways or cancelled flights to moscow and new york. they've certainly made it very difficult and it still is difficult. you have to persevere and keep calling and calling if you want money back, but they make it very easy for you to accept vouchers. it looks like this pandemic and restrictions are going to last another six months so that's eating into the timescale that they are saying you can use them up until. do you think they purposely made it more difficult to get a refund and push people towards the vouchers? 0h, definitely, absolutely. push people towards the vouchers? oh, definitely, absolutely. the airline says it will always provide airline says it will always provide a refund if a customer is eligible. the travel industry, though, has

been struggling to deal with the scale of this crisis but travellers say they shouldn't be the ones that out of pocket. sarah corker, bbc news in wigan. carol is out and about again for us. she is at the wonderful kew gardens today. it looks gorgeous. good morning to you. we are in the tempered house in kew gardens because you's state of the world plant and fungi report is due today and it shows extinction rates are higher than thought, with two in five of the world's plants threatened with extinction. it also highlights the new plants and fungi that been found, new snowdrop, relatives of spinach, new begonias

and aliums in six species of aliums we re and aliums in six species of aliums were found in turkey alone, ten new species of spinach were found in california, but why is this important? well, these are wild relatives of our current species and in the future, they may well be able to be adapted in order to feed a growing population. something else it also highlighted was that there is an awful lot an awful lot we still don't know out there. talking about there, it was rather wet and windy, particularly in the north and west. that is all going to be travelling eastwards today. so stick your umbrella in the bag but make it strong. eastern scenarios are getting off to

a relatively dry start but it won't last because the rain already on the north and west where it was heavy will continue its journey will continue moving eastwards. windy, gusty winds through the irish sea but even inland it will be gusty today. our rain continues eventually pouring into the north sea but we have, for north—east scotland in the northern isles it will be wet for you and under clear skies it will be a cool night. temperatures for some rural areas falling as low as freezing. tomorrow we start off with the rain across northern isles and north—east scotland. for many of us a lot of sunshine around with variable amounts of cloud. you will notice the difference in

temperature. it won't be as windy as today. on friday, a deep area of low pressure coming our way. that will introduce some heavy rain and strong winds, potentially stormy conditions. for scotland and northern ireland, you will be drier and brighter with fewer showers. temperature is nothing to write home about and that continues into the weekend. cool and unsettled with low pressure dominating our weather and again, very wet and windy at times. there is the potential for again, very wet and windy at times. there is the potentialfor some rather unpleasant conditions as we had through friday into the weekend. did you demand to be endorsed after two days outside, carol? —— indoors.

for those of us lucky to have a garden, they have provided a welcome calm. as if —— as a foundation, similar century so those working in our nhs. the project creating green spaces in hospitals. gita penn say is there for us. could morning louise. it is beautiful. this is the brand—new tranquillity garden. before it was transformed, it was unused and under loved but it has been redesigned the well—being of staff and patients in mind. it came during the lockdown due to the enormous strain those who

work here are under and those who are here as patients. joe thompson is the designer. you are an award—winning designer and you have given your time to create the space. talk us through it. it has been wonderful to create this space and this garden of tranquillity. as you say, it was a complete mess when we got here and we are all firm believers in the powers of green to restore and make people feel better. we looked at what we had which were these fabulous trees. we have this idea of bathing in trees and leaves which is so good for us. we have created this enveloping space and it isa created this enveloping space and it is a space for everyone, it is a space for staff, it is a space for patients, it is a space for children. it can be as meditative or

playful as you like but we really just wanted to celebrate the green. you are an award—winning designer, you have won numerous awards at chelsea flower show. how has it been to work on this? wonderful. when we came up with the idea, it was exciting to see. are to take their hopes and thoughts and make it into an actual thing that people can use. we will be hearing from joe and carly let us go and speak to one of the most important people, rachel who was the lead nurse here for emergency care. what does it mean to have a space like this? it means that staff can come out and have their breaks here to sit down and relax and have a little bit of headspace. to think and reflect on the day they are having. give them somewhere quiet and track full and the busy areas so it is really nice

area for them to come and sit. thank you very much, rachel. i know you will be recommending people use this space. the space has been designed with the idea that wherever you are in the hospital around here, you can look down and see the green and perhaps get the sense of tranquillity. as well as being a place to relax, it could be a space for yoga and mindfulness and they are hoping that eventually there might be gardens like this in hospitals across the country to help so many people who are working really ha rd to so many people who are working really hard to take care of us. you really hard to take care of us. you really get a sense just watching us here, the sense of peacefulness. thank you very much. later on this morning we will be speaking to those who are behind the project, just after nine o'clock. a unique snapshot of victorian life in britain has been revealed within a collection of some of the oldest photographs ever ta ken stock ca ptu red photographs ever ta ken stock captured by a local man, they ca ptu re captured by a local man, they

capture the town of horsham and were west sussex. tim muffett has been for a look. sussex life in the a0s and 50s. that is the 18a05 and 50s. sussex life in the a0s and 50s. that is the 1840s and 50s. these are the older —— oldest photographs that are known to exist. i never really imaginedi known to exist. i never really imagined i would have the opportunity to handle a catalogue and sell something this special. the photographs were ta ken and sell something this special. the photographs were taken by captain thomas honeywood who lived in horsham in west sussex. less than ten yea rs horsham in west sussex. less than ten years after what most considered to be the world was my first ever photograph was ta ken to be the world was my first ever photograph was taken in 1839, honeywood captured local scenes and people. his first picture is believed to be from 18a8. most are from the early 18505. believed to be from 18a8. most are from the early 1850s. the use of light and shade, the composition, it

is like an oil painting. he is basically creating old masters with this new form of art. people that we re this new form of art. people that were photographed here, they didn't know what the camera was so you are getting an intimacy. people just don't know what to make of the cameras. they look at it like it is some sort of witchcraft. i think it really communicates well that was it —— suspicion, perhaps, of looking at a photographer and looking at a camera, this newfangled piece of technology, this lady looks like she doesn't quite believe what is going on and is very cynical and suspicious of it and i think that is just fascinating. the album was owned privately, it is thought, bias —— descended of honeywood until ten yea rs —— descended of honeywood until ten years ago when it was snapped up at an auction. now it is being sold again. the big question, how much do you think this is worth? personally, i think you think this is worth? personally, ithink up you think this is worth? personally, i think up to six figures. perhaps a 50- £70,000 is an

i think up to six figures. perhaps a 50— £70,000 is an attractive estimate. if you look at some of the french master photographers from the same period, one photograph of a landscape can fetch up to a quarter of £1 million. jeremy knight runs the horsham museum and unsurprisingly, the photographs are causing quite a stir. we in britain don't value photography so much as art whereas other countries like france and america do. that is now changing four. we are now seeing what these early photographs are. they are portraits. as good a quality portraits as an oil painting and they should be seen as art. some scenes haven't changed that much was not many buildings remain, but other views are barely recognisable. to stand here where he stood with this camera, he must have had some weird looks. exactly the same. photography we ta ke looks. exactly the same. photography we take for granted but in those days it was something special. tripods and a mahogany box, things

have come along so far, so much and he himself recognised it. when these come up for auction, do you want to put in a bid? we wanted to but they are of national significance. honeywood's photographic techniques would earn him widespread acclaim in later life. he died in 1888 but his early pictures give a unique snapshot of life in britain 170 years ago. tim muffett, bbc news. wonderful photographs. we were talking about photographs. we were talking about photographs on breakfast. coming up, quite different, we are going to have some paw—sitively good pictures. oh, louise. we have been asking you to send in your

photographs and cute pictures, we have had lovely cute pictures, we wa nt have had lovely cute pictures, we want comedy. comedy pictures of your pets and let's see if you can possibly beat some of those. we have had thousands already. we will try and get through as many as we can over the course of the programme. right now, the news, travel and weather where you are. good morning from bbc london, i'm alpa patel. young people from london who are being exploited by criminal gangs — are being told to dress as key workers according to city hall. it's to enable them to sell drugs, while also getting around lockdown restrictions. the new methods have been revealed following a week of police action to shut down the activity, known as county lines. charities say around 3,000 young londoners are involved in this type of crime. we need to be thinking about how we can make public transport,

school environments, parks, other community spaces safe for young people so that they're not pulled into this type of criminal activity and experience the degree of harm which they do. a new study by imperial college london says the coronavirus pandemic is worsening the obesity crisis weight management services were suspended during the covid crisis until recently. and with fears of a second wave specialists are concerned their services might be disrupted again. a lot of us know that for the obese, if they get covid, their outcomes can be much worse, but covesity is a piece of research that we've carried out at imperial college that has shown that actually there is worse obesity because of covid. urban beekeeping in cities including london could be threatening wildlife rather than helping it because of a lack of nectar in urban areas. experts at kew gardens say the amount of flowering plants and trees is insufficient in supporting current beehive numbers in the city and that subsequently honeybees monopolise the flowers, outcompeting

their wild cousins. brixton has been selected as one of four locations around the country to install a special post box to mark black history month. the box in acre lane, was chosen for its proximity to the black cultural archives. each box feature a figure of significance to the british black community. let's take a look at the travel situation now. 0n the tube — a good service across all lines. in barking — it's very slow on the a13 into town approaching the beckton roundabout. now the weather with kate kinsella. good morning. one or two mist and fog patches around this morning, particularly towards the north of london and out into the home counties. elsewhere, we should get a bright start with a bit of sunshine but the end of the day which is going to be different to the start. cloud increasing this morning and then the rain arriving through the afternoon.

the whole time the wind is strengthening. southerly south—westerly wind and it will make things fill chilly. cooler than yesterday. this evening it stays pretty wet and windy, clearing away north and east but still the risk of maybe one or two showers and the risk spills into thursday morning as well. the minimum temperature between nine and 11 celsius. thursday is looking at a much drier day. should see a decent amount of sunshine, still a little breezy and the temperature similar. the sunshine doesn't make an impact on the temperature. 1a-15. a deep area of low pressure moves in for friday so turning wet and windy through the afternoon and unsettled through the weekend. i'm back in half—an—hour.

good morning — welcome to breakfast with dan walker and louise minchin. 0ur headlines today: will you shut up, man? don't ever use that word. because you know what, there's nothing smart about you at all. it's hard to get any word in with this clown. personal attacks and fiesty exchanges — donald trump and joe biden face off in their first presidential debate. there's new restrictions for more parts of wales as northern ireland introduces a curfew. boris johnson will update the public later.

cancer charities say almost a million women have missed out on routine breast screening because of the pandemic. tottenham go through on penalties in the league cup after chelsea miss the last spot kick. but there was more drama for spurs off the pitch with an emergency for one of mourinho's players. a yawning rabbit, a goat in a hammock and a dog that can walk on water. the contenders fighting for top place at the comedy pet photography awards. key's state of the world plant and fungi report is released showing plant extinction rates are higher than thought with two in five of the world's plans at risk of extinction. wet and windy in the north and west, living through the course of the day with hefty showers. more on the details in about ten minutes. it's wednesday september 30th. our top story.

the us presidential candidates have taken part in their first televised debate, ahead of november's election. president trump and former vice presidentjoe biden clashed over issues including coronavirus, race and the economy in a series of heated exchanges. 0ur washington correspondent, gary 0'donoghue has the details. it's the biggest moment of the election campaign so far. toe to toe, face to face, the virtual sparring over, the time that the gloves come off, and it wasn't long before the insults started to fly. i'm not here to call out his lies, everyone knows keep yapping. the people a7 years, you've done nothing. it's hard to get any word in with this clown. the fa ct get any word in with this clown. the fact is everything he sang so far is simplya fact is everything he sang so far is simply a lie. i'm not here to call out alike, knows he is a liar. use the word smart. you said you went to delaware state but you forgot the name of your college. you didn't go to delaware's state. you graduated

the lowest or even the lowest in your class, don't use the word smart with me, don't use that word because you know what, there is nothing smart about you, joe. a7 years, you've done nothing. the covid pandemic was always going to be central and joe biden wasted no time laying the blame for the deaths and cases of the president's door.“ laying the blame for the deaths and cases of the president's door. if we would have listened to you, the country would have been the wide open, millions of people would have died, 200000 and one person is too much, it's china's fault, should never have happened. president trump's taxes were bound to be a question, given claims it only paid $750 in federal income tax in his first year in office. millionaires and billionaires like him, in the middle of the covid crisis, have done very well. billionaires have made another $300 billion because of his profligate tax proposal and they

only focus on the market. after months of protests following the killing of african—america ns months of protests following the killing of african—americans by police, the president has made law and order a central question in his campaign. arguing the democrats are anti— police. you can't even say the word law enforcement because if you say those words, you're going to lose all your radical left supporters. and then it all got really personal when the president began his much anticipated attack on joe biden's children. the moderator interrupted, but the former vice—president bit. he was not a loser, he was a patriot and the people left behind there were heroes, and i resent... are you talking about hunter? i'm talking about my son, beau biden. i don't know beau, i know hunter. hunter got thrown out of the military. this was a thoroughly bad—tempered and chaotic affair. both sides will claim a victory, both sides will live

to fight another day. gary 0'donoghue, bbc news, cleveland, ohio. we'll talk about that later because it was quite extraordinary. we got more coming back in a couple of minutes. borisjohnson will hold a press co nfe re nce minutes. borisjohnson will hold a press conference this afternoon to update the public. that's happening ahead of new restrictions coming into force in north wales. we can speak now to our political correspondent helen catt. helen, what can we expect to hear later today from the prime minister? unusually, i'm more able to tell you what we're not going to get. we're not expecting there to be any big announcements of any more drastic restrictions for england. the last couple of them, we have the 10pm cu rfew, couple of them, we have the 10pm curfew, the rule of six a couple of weeks before that. we're not expecting anything like that. we are

more expecting it to be a run through. the feeling with downing street is they are keeping people updated. what about a vote in the commons later? this is the coronavirus emergency legislation. it gave the government quite wide powers over our daily lives. there was a time limit settlement. keeping those restrictions in place every six months. that vote is happening today. there is no suggestion that is not going to pass. those powers will stay in place. reason it's become quite controversial is a group of mps i try to urge that divorce the government to give more ofa divorce the government to give more of a say over any future restrictions it wants to bring in. they are worried that also got too complicated or too harsh are unnecessarily harsh in some way. they are trying to use this to make

sure that mps are able to have a vote on them. there is some discussion about whether the technical way they are trying to do that in parliament work, even if it came toa that in parliament work, even if it came to a vote, they have got the numbers to defeat the government done sort of sideshow between downing street and the rest of the government, between the backbenches, the conservative backbenches, to try and thrash out some sort of compromise and we will find out later if that has been successful. will keep an eye on that inspected the business minister about that and other issues at 730 this morning. first minister arlene foster said there could be no exceptions to the rule, and it would also apply to weddings and other social events. let's speak to chris paige in belfast. it is important to know what is going on wherever you live.

what is going on? that's right. this is the last day of normal opening hours for pubs, bars and restaurants here for example in the cathedral quarter of belfast. a pop in the nightspot. there will be change coming in after today. basically last orders at 1030 and then everywhere will have to shut their doors at 11 o'clock. closing time is an hour later. why the difference? the devolved government has given a few reasons. they decided it would be best to have the pubs closing time at the same as the cut—off time for supermarket and off—licence is serving alcohol. that is 11 o'clock on most nights over in the irish republic, 1130. the thinking was at the closing time was set for ten o'clock, people in border areas could cross the frontier and continue their night out in the irish republic, they wanted to avoid that, that it would defeat the purpose and the hospitality industry has been making the argument that if the closing time was ten o'clock,

restau ra nts the closing time was ten o'clock, restaurants couldn't have a second sitting for dennis and now the industry is pleased at the curfew has been set for 11 o'clock though they say they hope it isn't going to bea they say they hope it isn't going to be a long—term measure. they say they hope it isn't going to be a long-term measure. chris, thank you very much. coventry university has strongly condemned footage of a party believed to have involved dozens of students. footage shows the partygoers in a private accommodation block ignoring social distancing guidelines and the rule of six. they can be seen climbing on top of ping pong tables at arundel house, close to coventry university's main campus. a spokesman said coventry university was aware of the incident and said any students found to be in breach of the university's code of conduct could face disciplinary proceedings. a leading cancer charity says almost a million british women have missed a breast cancer screening appointment because of the coronavirus pandemic. breast cancer now say

thousands of cancers could be undetected with their diagnosis delayed. breast cancer screening services were paused during the height of the pandemic to help free up emergency nhs resources. services have now resumed. those are some of the main stories around this morning. if you just tuned in, we will be speaking to the government at 730 this morning. also looking for your photos of comedy that your animals have got up to. we are celebrating the comedy pet photograph of the year. we are doing that later, send them in. do keep them coming in. carol has the weather for us this morning from kew gardens. good morning everyone. i am good morning everyone. iam inside the template house in kew gardens and today, kew garden's state of the world plant and fungi report is

released and shows plant extinction rates may be higher than originally thought with two in five of the world's plans with extinction and it also shows how we are currently using plants and fungi, and what we are at risk of losing and in 30 minutes i will be talking to doctor colin clubb about some of these things and finding out more about the report. the moment outside, a fair bit of rain around. through the course of today, it's going to be drifting east. it's going to be accompanied by gusty winds. first thing this morning, some missed and to watch out for. that will lift and for some eastern areas, relatively dry and bright. don't be fooled by that because the rain already in the north and west will move eastwards through the course of the day with gusty wind. the strongest winds this morning in western areas, especially the exposure, they will transfer through the english channel. showers

will be quite happy this afternoon. through this evening, showers around. the rain northern isles in north—east scotland. especially in rural areas, temperatures could fall down to freezing. through the course of tomorrow, we start off with that rain in the north—east of scotland. it will travel across northern scotla nd it will travel across northern scotland through the day but for many of us, dry day with sunny skies. some showers in the south, some showers in the west as well stop temperatures tomorrow, much lower than today, about 12— 1a degrees. just what bearing in mind as we head through friday on the weekend, the potentialfor some stormy conditions coming our way. 0k, we have been warned. give very much. the first debate between president trump and former vice—presidentjoe biden was full

of heated exchanges, fiery insults and personal attacks. in the turbulent 90 minutes they argued over the united states' response to coronavirus, healthcare and race. but who came out on top? we can get some opinion on that now from former republican candidate for congress, randi reed and celinda lake who has worked on the biden campaign. good morning to you both. i'm sort of guessing that you are on different sides of this debate. let's talk first, you worked with joe biden before. how did he come out of it from your point of view?” think he came out of it very well. he showed that he was strong and prepared, presidential. and fortu nately, prepared, presidential. and fortunately, the president —— u nfortu nately, fortunately, the president —— unfortunately, the president was com pletely unfortunately, the president was completely out of control, interrupting, disrespect, bullying and in that context, it's very hard

to have any winners but in the post—election poles, they show over 60% of voters in the us think that vice president biden won the debate. i'm going to ask you the same question, as moderator, because there was a moderator, we'll talk about that later. how did president trump come out of it? honestly, i think they both acted as such kindergarten types, no thanks to the moderator. they both had jabs. i don't know that you could declare a clear winner. unfortunately, we as americans at this point are losers because we have to grown men going at it on stage. yes, trump interrupted quite a bit, biden had name—calling. it was totally inappropriate. i wish they would have stuck to the facts, hopefully moving forward, that will change. coming back to you on that issue, do

you think the american public actually learned anything about policy, the direction of where one of these men take the country if they were to win the election but is it all about insults and essentially good tv, but was it good for the public? i don't even think it was good tv, unless you like episodes of the apprentice. maybe reality tv. i don't was good tv. it was hard to get our plans but the vice president was clear about the distinction on covert. and what he would have done differently. he was able to talk about and the fact that it's really important that every person votes but i think what was really on display was the character of the two men, andi display was the character of the two men, and i think particularly for women voters, what bothers them most

about donald trump's personality, and looking at the analysis after—the—fact in the focus groups at the tv had, there is a huge gender gap with women really rejecting donald trump. i want to talk to you about that and other things. from your point of view as well, from voters, was this more confusing? you talk about fact and they're more confusing? you talk about fact and they‘ re not more confusing? you talk about fact and they're not being that many.- the end of the day, most people who we nt the end of the day, most people who went into this debate basically knew who they were going for. theyjust really wanted to see the performance and a performance is exactly what we saw. i think moving forward, if trump could get to the facts more so about what his record for the past a7 months have been and what those

successes are an especially pre— covid, he needs to focus on that. name—calling was a little ridiculous. i will say that i did link it was very unfair from the moral —— moderator's standpoint. it felt like trump was pushed into the corner when biden was bailed out of the corner. a personal opinion. going back to the suburban women, i don't think they were necessarily affected was not in fact ijust saw affected was not in fact ijust saw a poll about an hour ago that people voted in favour of trump in winning this debate. again, going back, was there necessarily a winner? not at this point, i don't think, but moving forward, if trump can stick to the fact, i'm a woman boater, i'm mum, i'm —— woman boater, i to the fact, i'm a woman boater, i'm mum, i'm —— woman boater, lam to the fact, i'm a woman boater, i'm mum, i'm —— woman boater, i am a small business owner, trump i will always vote for trump. donald trump was given the opportunity to condemn

white supremacy and you say you were hundred % behind trump. how does that sit with you? his inability to condemn that? i would flip that an ask why they didn't flip it on blm. two focusing on one right wing group. it was chris wallace being completely unfair. they were zero questions about blm. i would leave it at that. i don't get was a fair fight. trump actually did condemn them. leaving it kind of open because nobody is willing to condemn blm and antifa and every thing we are seeing again. i'm going to let you respond to that. black lives matter is entirely different from antifa and you saw vice president

biden condemn anti— fat which is a made up concept to begin with. it is not an organisation. —— antifa. black lives matter is 58% of the american public was that they have brought to the forefront of something that i would hope people could join in ipad —— something that i would hope people couldjoin in ipad —— in a bipartisan way. the debts of george floyd and —— deaths, we need accountability. black lives matter and white supremacists are aren't even remotely the same thing and the public has a solid negative view of one and a solid negative view of the other. —— positive view of the other. —— positive view of the other. thank you for your opinions. that is the first of the debates, there are two more to come. we are 33 days away. plenty more of that over the coming weeks. so we've been hearing a lot recently about rising coronavirus cases, with yesterday seeing

the highest number of new recorded daily cases since mass testing began. but it's important to remember that experts still think that daily cases were much higher back in the spring at the peak of the pandemic. virologist dr chris smith joins us now from cambridge. had to get you want to try and paint a clear picture for us. when we hear about over 7000 daily cases, what does that tell you? what should we be thinking about? what other telling us? can be misleading when you look at the graph because what is being presented on the graph is what was happening in march and april and what has happened now so it makes it look from the number of cases being reported that we are back where we were in march and april and that is not true. it is the fact that we are doing enormously large number of tests now compared with march and april so we are picking up a very large proportion of the positives. that 7000 cases per day probably

tra nslates 7000 cases per day probably translates into, based on a number of different lines of evidence, between ten and 12,000 cases across the country per day. that is in contrast to 100,000 plus cases per day across the country rack in march. —— back in march was not what it does tell you is it is reasoning -- it it does tell you is it is reasoning —— it has risen, they have risen pretty much everywhere. a lot of restrictions for millions of people across the uk at the moment and a lot of that is concentrated on indoor spaces like pubs and restau ra nts a nd indoor spaces like pubs and restaurants and in people's homes as well. is that where the virus seems to be spreading, indoors? the data we have suggest that between 70 and 90% of transmission events, one person giving it to another, is occurring in the domestic setting or in situations where you mimic the domestic setting outside the house so you take your family out somewhere and that is to be expected because this virus spreads through

close contact twin individuals so in any situation you are affording the virus that conduit between individuals and you will see transmission. people who live together share living space together, they share time together, they share air together, these are all the ways in which the virus transmits so it is not surprising that the main route is in people's homes and that is why any measures that have been introduced are seeking to bear down on that particular challenge for top but it isa particular challenge for top but it is a challenge because there is a limit to what you can do. people have to go home, they have to live and we can't destroy family life in order to save cases. you can do your best but there are limits. these viruses are good at what they do and have had thousands of years to evolve to do it. this is a question government ministers are talking about all the time but do you feel with rising cases and increasing restrictions that we are heading towards a national lock down? the government have described this as a nuclear option but i think there would be extremely reticent to take on so many levels because i think it

would be wrong on many levels. we have to remember we are in a much stronger position now compared to where we were in march and april with an enormous contesting capacity compared with where we came from, where we had 1000 tests —— tests a day across the country or less at some point and now we have hundreds of thousands. test are not everything and people need to be on board but the negative impacts, if we went down that road and try to shut everything down again, is not constructive and i think the reason for that is we had a lockdown, we got the virus under control, we bought ourselves a very high price, admittedly, respite. but now we have to make sure we have a plan in place to make sure we have a plan in place to handle cases and accept that we arejust to handle cases and accept that we are just kicking the can down the road. this is like trying to hold back the tide, it did not work for kim canute, we can't get this. we have to work out a strategy to

tolerate a level of transmission of the virus in the same way that for yea rs we the virus in the same way that for years we tolerated levels of flu and other infectious diseases like measles which unfortunately do claim lives but we have learned to live with them and work out ways around tolerating a certain level of transmission in society. we are going to have to get ourselves to think in those sorts of terms to get the best outcome under these circumstances because i don't think shutting the country for business again is going to actually translate into a long—term benefit, i think it will translate into a long—term cost. appreciate your analysis. thank you forjoining us. now we can talk about what is happening in hospitals, admissions. it is the intensive care consultant dr alison pittard. you are right at the front of the plan, are you ready? certainly in a better place that we were earlier on

in the year. we have learned about how the disease affects different people, we have new treatments that can people, we have new treatments that ca n affect people, we have new treatments that can affect the outcome of patients. the nhs has done a lot of work to improve capacity so that we can deal with an increase in covid admissions, both to hospital and intensive care. we are as ready as we can be. but the most important thing is to try and reduce transmission and the one way we can do that is by listening to the government advice in terms of hands, space, face and looking at the local interventions to make sure we reduce the number of people that not only get covid get sick and come into hospital. just another point, if somebody had been admitted, for example, in march and april and a similar case admitted now, you have learned a lot over those months, have you, about how you would treat

those cases? we have and i think what is also happening now is people are presenting earlier because they are presenting earlier because they are aware of all the symptoms and being tested so we have a lot of people being tested positive which doesn't necessarily correlate with number of people into hospital. 0ne of the biggest changes that is happened since march and april is that we now have covid secure pathways in hospitals and in all nhs healthcare settings so it is really important that people who have illnesses or they have concerns that aren't related to covid, that they access the healthcare that they need, be that going to see the gp, coming into hospitalfor routine tests offer surgery including cancer surgery. particularly pregnant women who might be scared for themselves and for their unborn baby. it is safe to come into hospital and access healthca re safe to come into hospital and access healthcare in whatever setting was not we will leave it

with that message. thank you very much indeed. we have the business secretary coming but now it is time for the news, travel and weather where you are. good morning from bbc london, i'm alpa patel. young people from london who are being exploited by criminal gangs — are being told to dress as key workers according to city hall. it's to enable them to sell drugs, while also getting around lockdown restrictions. the new methods have been revealed following a week of police action to shut down the activity, known as county lines. charities say around 3,000 youngsters are involved in the crime. a lot of the harm caused by county lines for children and young people happens outside of the family home. so we need to be thinking about how we can make public transport, school environments, parks, other community spaces safe for young people so that they're not pulled into this type of criminal activity and experience the degree

of harm which they do. urban beekeeping in london is becoming an unsustainable hobby that is doing more harm than good, scientists say. too many hives across london are increasing competition for nectar, crowding out wild competitors warns the royal botanic gardens at kew. they say there aren't enough flowers to keep all honey bees fed. a new study by imperial college london says the coronavirus pandemic is worsening the obesity crisis weight management services were suspended during the covid crisis until recently. and with fears of a second wave specialists are concerned services will be disrupted again. a lot of us know that for the obese, if they get covid, their outcomes can be much worse, but covesity is a piece of research that we've carried out at imperial college that has shown that actually there is worse obesity because of covid. brixton has been selected as one of four locations around the country to install a special post box to mark black history month.

this box in acre lane, was chosen for its proximity to the black cultural archives. each box feature a figure of significance to the black community. let's take a look at the travel situation now. 0n the tube — a good service across all lines. in barking — it's very slow on the a13 into town approaching the beckton roundabout. now the weather with kate kinsella. good morning. one or two mist and fog patches around this morning, particularly towards the north of london and out into the home counties. elsewhere, we should get a bright start with a bit of sunshine but the end of the day is going to be different to the start. cloud increasing this morning and then the rain arriving through the afternoon. the whole time the wind strengthening — a southerly south—westerly wind and that's going to make things feel pretty chilly. temperatures 15 to 17 celsius, so cooler than yesterday. into this evening, it stays pretty wet and windy, that rain clearing away gradually overnight, north and eastwards, becoming much drier, still the risk of maybe one or two

showers and the risk spills into thursday morning as well. the minimum temperature between nine and 11 celsius. so for thursday, it is looking like a much drier day, should see a decent amount of sunshine, still a little breezy and the temperature very similar. that sunshine doesn't really make an impact on the temperature — 1a—15. a deep area of low pressure moves in for friday so turning very wet and windy through the afternoon and unsettled through the weekend. i'm back in half an hour. hello, this is breakfast with dan walker and louise minchin. yesterday saw the highest daily total of coronavirus cases since the first ofjuly, and later today borisjohnson will hold a press conference to update the public on the pandemic. it comes as the government is facing growing calls for more parliamentary scrutiny of its covid policies. we can speak now to the business secretary alok sharma. welcome.

good morning. thank you very much for spending a bit of time with us. cani for spending a bit of time with us. can i ask you, i don't expect you to tell us what the prime minister is going to say when we hear him address the nation, though, will it be about further restrictions or are we looking at a clarification press conference? good morning and thank you for having me. i'm not going to pre—empt what the prime minister says. we'll have to wait to hear what he says. in terms of that overall issue with regard to making sure that people are observing the rules, following the guidelines, we have a very clear message, there was a rule of six but inside and outside of course, the best way of combating this virus is to make sure that you wash your hands regularly, you cover your face you wash your hands regularly, you cover yourface you maintain wash your hands regularly, you cover your face you maintain social distancing. it's an interesting situation the prime minister finds himself in. the past few weeks, we are ina himself in. the past few weeks, we are in a situation where we speak to are in a situation where we speak to a government minister every day on this programme and you've been on before, and many other of your

cabinet colleagues have spoken about the need for clarity and you've tried to give us that clarity and with that in mind, how damaging is it that the man at the top, the prime minister himself quite clearly yesterday doesn't understand the rules ? yesterday doesn't understand the rules? if i may just yesterday doesn't understand the rules? if i mayjust go yesterday doesn't understand the rules? ifi mayjust go back yesterday doesn't understand the rules? if i mayjust go back to this point, what's important is for people to know what the overall national message is and to repeat that once again, observe the rule of six both inside and outside, wash your hands, cover your face and maintain social distancing. in terms of local restrictions around england, there are around 13 million people who are in different levels of restrictions. in the best thing people can do if you want to find out precisely what restrictions are, is to go onto the gov.uk website will go to their local authority website that's the best way they can see what requirements they need to follow and it's about keeping them safe, and doing everything we can to return to some level of normality.

backin return to some level of normality. back in march, we had to go into this national lockdown. nobody wants to go there again. we've managed to reopen the economy over the last few months. the vast part of the economy is open again and the reason we can do that is over those months, people follow the rules, they showed great commonsense and that's what we want people to keep doing.” commonsense and that's what we want people to keep doing. i asked you about the prime minister not knowing those regulations, does it matter that he didn't know? if i mayjust say to you, this is one of those gotcha questions that you get on these programmes. with respect, it wasn't a gotcha question. he's been talking about the fact these restrictions are clear and he was asked to explain them and he couldn't. surely that's embarrassing for the prime minister not to be able to say what they are? i think that matter was clarified immediately. i said a couple of times with the overall messages and that's what people ought to be following and if there are local restrictions on those areas, the

best things they can do is at those websites. getting a minister to come on completely, i understand you want us on completely, i understand you want us to answer on completely, i understand you want us to answer your on completely, i understand you want us to answer your questions and of course we want to do that but ultimately what we don't want to do is have a destruction, what is important is for all your viewers would be if there is a particular restriction in my area, where can i find out what it is, because as you know, across the areas there are restrictions, there are different restrictions, there are different restrictions so it's important for people to understand what is required of them. i understand, but i could save the prime minister knew what those were, it wouldn't be a distraction. he created that by not knowing what they are. that speaks to what some of your critics would say. there are so many different regulations in different places, and this speaks to when you are trying to preach clarity, there is a lack of clarity which comes back to a lack of leadership. i don't agree

it's to do with initial leadership, it's to do with initial leadership, it's responding to what the local needs are in local areas. infection rates are different in different parts of the country. the reason restrictions are different in different parts of the because we also work with local leaders, local authorities and plan with them what those restrictions should be so this isa those restrictions should be so this is a collaborative effort that we are making in your viewers will understand this. nobody wants to impose any more restrictions than we need to. we think very carefully before you do this but this is about keeping people safe and i'm sure that your viewers listening to this will agree, that this is for their benefit, benefit of their families and all of ours. talking about the benefits, 100 of the uk's used hospitality and restaurant chains are written to the prime minister and us business secretary are aware, demanding a review of the curfew. they say restrictions are killing

their businesses. what you to them? i talk to the hospitality industry ona i talk to the hospitality industry on a regular basis and what i would say is that over the last few months, we provided a lot of support for that sector, we've made sure there are grants available to them. we will ensure they don't have to pay any business rates for a year. that's as well as taking advantage ofa that's as well as taking advantage of a fellow scheme and the like. there is a lot of support out there. i completely understand they have concerns about a restriction at 10pm but actually they are able to meet large parts of the evening. we also introduced measures some months ago. i talked to a bill in parliament which means businesses are now able to have alfresco activities as well in terms of serving food and drinks outside. we are taking measures to support the industry but i think what people also understand and appreciate is the reason we are taking measures, there are range of

we've introduced, the reason is to keep this under control. if we didn't do that, what we might end up having to do something more draconian nobody wants to do that. these are some of the biggest names in the uk. you've made the fight for survival even harderfor in the uk. you've made the fight for survival even harder for them, talking about the curfew at ten o'clock, removing key trading hours for all of us, it was vital for our survival, removing shifts from a food lead business. they're asking you to review this. if you find the cu rfew you to review this. if you find the curfew is not working and causing more damage and not doing what you wa nted more damage and not doing what you wanted it to do, will you remove it? of course we keep all policies under review. this 10pm timing has been used whether there have been more localised restrictions, it has worked in this is about keeping people safe. my department, or sectors that we are responsible for, we will continue to do that but ultimately i know people understand

the reason we are having to do this is to keep this under control and to go back to where we were in march. it's affecting large parts of our economy. particularly for the businesses. you're talking about alfresco options. is that the answer for this time of year? well, i think you are already seeing some businesses responding to this, they are putting up warnings, having outdoor heaters. this is about what makes sense that individual business. i completely understand its belting down with rain. 0n the other hand, over the last few days, we have weather and we are into autumn. all i'm saying is, it will allow the flexibility to businesses andi allow the flexibility to businesses and i know how hard it is the many of these businesses. i do understand

the chancellor understands this. we had the schemes, will continue to see what you can do. it will be interesting to see what happens with carol's weather over the next few days. i also want to talk about universities. i'm assuming you've seen them somewhere else. this is pictures which apparently have come from coventry university last night, being condemned by the university. they say they are going to investigate. these students who are partying, abandoning the rule of six. they are taking personal responsibility for what they are doing. an inevitable consequence of locking down hundreds of young people. i have to daughters who are of university age. this has been a

very, very difficult time for young people. and actually, they want to get back to some sense of normality. universities are open and students have gone back and of course, we ask them, just as we asked the rest of them, just as we asked the rest of the population to follow the rules and the guidance and act responsibly and the guidance and act responsibly and ultimately this is for their own good and i hope people will do that. 0ne good and i hope people will do that. one of the things the education secretary was talking about is stu d e nts secretary was talking about is students might need to self isolate at the end of the current term in order to go home safely at christmas stop a talking about a shorter term? what is going to be the case there? the education ‘s —— education secretary made a statement to parliament. i know that was a concern over the last few days over stu d e nts concern over the last few days over students at christmas, whether pa rents would students at christmas, whether parents would miss out on spending time with their children and vice—versa so we've given that

commitment. is looking to see precisely how we will make this possible but as i said, we want stu d e nts to possible but as i said, we want students to have a sense of normality, to be able to enjoy the teaching and of course, ultimately to also keep safe. at the same time, we wa nt to also keep safe. at the same time, we want everyone to observe the rules. that's how we're going get through this. you are watching bbc brea kfast. through this. you are watching bbc breakfast. jane is here to talk to us breakfast. jane is here to talk to us about the world of sport. jose mourinho had written off their chances against chelsea in the league cup before the game, but tottenham are through to the quarter—finals — so that won't help with the fixture congestion he's been complaining about. and there was almost more drama off the pitch than on it last spurs were 1—nil down in the second half, when mourinho stormed down the tunnel in pursuit of eric dier, who'd suddenly run off

with no explanation. it turned out to have been an urgent call of nature and dier was soon back in action. // shortly afterwards mourinho was smiling again, shortly afterwards mourinho was smiling again, when tottenham equalised through eric lamela. it went straight to penalties, and after the first nine were scored, mason mount‘s miss sent tottenham through. dier was named man of the match — and this is what he posted on social media if you've got to go, you've got to go. liverpool's thiago alcantara is the latest player to test positive for coronavirus. the club said he had minor symptoms and but was generally in good health. he's only played for liverpool once, since joining from bayern munich this month. england rugby union manager eddiejones will be concerned about injuries to two of his key players last night. northampton forward courtney lawes suffered an ankle injury in the eighth minute of their defeat to sale.

four minutes later, sharks centre manu tuilagi also had to be helped off the field after picking up an achilles injury. england play their last re—arranged six nations match against italy in a month's time, with the new nations cup starting a fornight later. st helens absolutely thumped wigan a2——nil, to go to the top of the superleague table. wigan were the leaders at the start of the night, but this was a much—changed side, with six debutants. regan grace got two of st helens' seven tries. heather watson has said she's worried about the future of british tennis, after becoming the final brit to be knocked out in the first round of the french open singles. watson questioned the funding set—up, saying "i don't see who's next". she was beaten in straight sets by fiona ferro — she's lost six straight matches since the professional game

returned last month. there are no british players in round two at roland garros for the first time in seven years. i think personally that more players need to get help rather than justjust helping get selected. i don't know how many there are, and ifeel like there needs to be a bigger pool of support, and then in that way, you are not spoiled and you are not given everything at a young age, and you need to work for it and learn the grind and the hard work of the tour, and what it takes. that's your sport. carol has the weather for us this morning from kew gardens. whatever have you got for us? good morning. we are in the temperature house at the moment and we are here because you gardens today are

relating the state of the world pla nts relating the state of the world plants and fungi report. we are joined by dr colin clubb, the head of conservation science here at kew gardens. got the report with you and you took part in it. good morning. it's great for you to join us at the temperate house. that's what the plant is all about, unlocking the treasure trove of wild plant and fungal diversity, to provide nature —based solutions for many of the world's most critical and pressing issues. my food security, fuel poverty, climate change. in one of the stats is that two out of five of the stats is that two out of five of the world's plants face the polity —— face extinction. the world is under pressure. we need land for agriculture in places for people to

live. discovering new plants as well, the report, the documents, early 2000 species of plants. it's been described as new to science in 2019 and these may hold the potential to new medicines, new foods. we need to conserve our biodiversity, work with people, and make sure we are really using a land well so we have options for the future and a legacy for next generation. your listeners could come in here and find out more about the details. look in your cupboard, look in your medicine cabinet.

whether these things come from? can you look at where sustainably you can source things and sure, by your consumer choices, you are not contributing, potentially, to biodiversity loss. i think also keep your leaders to account. asked questions, be it at the local level, your local council, or writing to mps. ask them why and what they are doing to conserve the world's biodiversity. it is a race against time. inside here it is not particularly cold. 0utside this morning it is not particularly this morning called either but the forecast is wet and windy. at the moment we have heavy rain across northern and western areas in particular, that will be drifting through the course of the day. early morning mist and fog to lift in eastern areas and when that happens it will be relatively bright before the rain arise from the west later on. the other thing is we are looking at gusty winds today. initially with exposure in the west

and then transferring eastwards through the english channel as we go through the english channel as we go through the english channel as we go through the afternoon but even inland we are looking at gusty winds. temperature wise, 12 in the north to about 17 as we sweep down towards the south. through this evening and overnight, all the rain eventually moves off into the north but there is a hook of it are still affecting parts of north—east scotla nd affecting parts of north—east scotland and the northern isles and under clear skies in the west, it will be cold. in some rural areas, temperatures could get down to around about freezing. tomorrow we start with the rain across north—east scotland, drifting across other parts of north—east scotland through the day but for most of the uk, it will be dry with sunshine and a few showers in the south, a few showers in south—west england and northern ireland and temperatures again, nothing to write home about but the temperatures are going to get lower. in fact, just a heads up, friday into the weekend is looking rather unsettled and for some, potentially stormy.

carol, you keep reminding me this and it has gone in the notebook now, storms on the way. i know lots of people will be running the london marathon, not in london but all over the uk so, including myself. we might need to take that into account, it will be rainy. strictly star amy dowden has been effortlessly quickstepping her way around a dance floor — and our screens, for the last few years, but she's also been managing a hidden chronic condition. in a new documentary, she opens up about living with crohn's disease since childhood and shares what life is like managing the illness. we'll chat to her in just a moment, but first let's take a look. just remember that order. today morning. you are in big competition

and you went in on the friday and you are only up in hospital and you are on to intravenous trips. and your arm was infected where the drip was and you said, i shouldn't be here, dad, ishould be going was and you said, i shouldn't be here, dad, i should be going to competition today with my dance partner. i felt so competition today with my dance partner. ifelt so helpless. competition today with my dance partner. i felt so helpless. you are so partner. i felt so helpless. you are so ill and we could see it but why couldn't everybody else ? so ill and we could see it but why couldn't everybody else? why couldn't everybody else? why couldn't the professionals see how ill you were? couldn't the professionals see how ill you were ? that couldn't the professionals see how ill you were? that is what was so frustrating. amy, gosh, i really feel for you. that was you talking to mum and dad. when did you first realised something was up? good morning, first of all, guys was up i was 11 years old and it was with ms eve and i was a child that couldn't keep still, not even to watch a

cartoon. —— christmas eve. we went to winter wonderland and we were supposed to be going ice—skating and i was just so poorly, i supposed to be going ice—skating and i wasjust so poorly, i had no energy, i was sick and then the next thing my parents got me home and i collapsed in pain and that was the start, really, of what was going to be eight years until a diagnosis. it com pletely be eight years until a diagnosis. it completely changed my life and obviously from watching that clip back and what i have learned from the documentary, the impact it had on my family, my twin sister, my brother, ourfriends, it has been an emotionaljourney for us all i'm sure. a lot of people watching will understand what crohn's and ulcerative colitis are that people watching this morning, how does it affect you? give us an idea, if you can. that is why i have done the documentary. raising awareness. people don't like to talk about guts

or bowels or toilets but basically crown —— crohn's, the balance can be narrowing, ulcers, inflammation, so many symptoms you can have, mouth ulcers, extreme pain, vomiting, being sick, constantly, the pain can make you pass out. joint pain, there are so many symptoms and every patient is different. it affects everybody completely different. some have diarrhoea and some have chronic constipation. i think it is really important because there are hundreds of thousands of people who suffer from this condition and there are still so many who don't know about it and the more we talk i think the quicker we are going to get a cure because there is still a chronic illness but how much quicker others can get diagnosed and not go through the gruelling years of tests and the

unknown. we see you on our screens on street lee and nobody had any i hear —— that at the same —— nobody had any idea the same time you are presumably in a lot of pain —— on strictly. allen yes but for me, dances my —— my producers, everyone, they are so supportive. -- dance is my dream. i want to show everyone as well, you can be ‘s diagnosed with a chronic illness but you could still achieve your dreams and it doesn't define me. those who watch the documentary will also be able to see you on the new series of strictly which will be a bit shorter than we have seen and as safe as it possibly can be under the current restrictions. how much are you and the other professional dancers...

you have actually filled some of it already, haven't you? —— filmed. element we are so excited, literally. we're so grateful for the are going beyond and making this show happened. felt so safe and happy being back and i am just literally so, so excited, i can't wait to find out who my next partner is going to be and get this new one started, really. best of luck with strictly and i'm sure lots of people watching as well will be very much looking forward to when it starts. amy dowden: ‘my crohn's and me', will be broadcast on bbc one wales on october 15th at 9pm, and will also be available on the iplayer. we could all do with more to make us smile at the moment, and we think we have just the thing for you this morning. yes — the finalists of

the comedy pets photography awards have been chosen, so without further ado, let's take a look. those were the finalist and thank you for all of your pictures. we will come to this shortly. the man behind this is pauljoynson—hicks, a wildlife photographer,

who had the idea of getting snaps of comedy pet moments after the success of his comedy wildlife photography awards. he joins us now from tanzania, where he lives. you are a professional photographer. how did you come up with this idea? really, on the back of the comedy wildlife photography awards, we saw how excited everybody got about it so we thought, well, pet could be the next stage and especially as, it isa the next stage and especially as, it is a great opportunity to spread our message of animal welfare, basically, but through a positive and an exciting method, rather than seeing pictures of animals that are tortured, what we can do is show these amazing funny pictures of our pets and try and spread the message and this year our messages pet homelessness, trying to get rid of it entirely. let us have a look at some of the pictures that have been

making the shortlist. what are you looking for is a winning image?” can imagine. you are looking for technical photography billions, obviously, nice, sharp images, nicely exposed and then you are looking for something where usually it is an animal that is anthropomorphising, looking silly, funny, dangerous or whatever. anthropomorphising, looking silly, funny, dangerous orwhatever. humans are funny to illustrate but the animal kingdom is so funny. we are looking at the guard dog, the guard, animal in the convertible. do you have a favourite? you are probably not allowed to say, are you? good point was up obviously we are in the final stages of dodging now and i can't say what my actual favourite is but as a dog lover, i do have a leaning towards the funny dog

pictures but yes, they are all great. the idea itself, we have witnessed it this morning. when there is so much going on in the world around us, it is a bit of light relief. we have had dozens of pictures sent in because people love their pets and spend a lot of time with them. when life is as difficult and awkward for us all, a little bit of light relief and i think yes, it works well. wonderful to speak to you. it is clearly an idea that has been taken to heart by our viewers, i don't think you will be able to see the pictures but we will show some of them now. lim tremendous —— tremendous shirt as well! thank you for sending us in your comedy pictures of your pets as well. woody the dog.

this is woody the dog — in his wetsuit. he's part of the kershaw family who live in stockport. willow the cat has been helping her owner carly with the washing. this toothy grin comes from ruby and her owner mark hogarth. here's a photo of izzy the dog helping out debbie who's working from home in north yorkshire. brilliant. when i am working, she sits behind me with her head on my shoulder, reading the computer. stay with us, headlines coming up.

good morning and welcome to breakfast, with dan walker and louise minchin. 0ur headlines today... would you shut up, man...? there is nothing smart about you, joe...“ is hard to get any word in... personal attacks and fiesty exchanges — donald trump and joe biden face off in their first presidential debate. there's new restrictions for more parts of wales, as northern ireland introduces a curfew. boris johnson will update the public later. cancer charities say almost a million women have missed out on routine breast screening because of the pandemic. the cost of going green.

shell announces plans to cut up to 9,000 jobs over the next two years, losing 10% of its global workforce. the company blames the cuts on the impact of covid and the move to more renewable energy. and the return of satirical puppet show spitting image almost 36 years after it first hit our screens. good morning from the temperate house in kew gardens, where this vine has almost engulfed the stairway during lockdown. we have got some heavy rain in the north and the west which will be travelling east during the day, accompanied by gusty winds. i will have the details in ten minutes. it's wednesday september 30th. our top story... the us presidential candidates have taken part in theirfirst televised debate, ahead of november's election. president trump and former vice presidentjoe biden clashed over issues including coronavirus, race and the economy in a series

of heated exchanges. 0ur washington correspondent gary 0'donoghue has the details. it's the biggest moment of the election campaign so far. toe to toe, face to face, the virtual sparring over, the time that the gloves come off, and it wasn't long before the insults started to fly. will you shut up, man? the people understand, joe, a7 years done nothing. the fact is that everything he has said so far is simply a life. everybody in that he's a liar. you said you went to delaware state but you forgot the name of your college. you didn't go to delaware state. you graduated either the lowest or nearly the lowest in your class, don't ever use the word smart with

me, because there is nothing smart about you, joe. a7 years, you've done nothing. joe biden wasted no time in laying the blame for the 7 million cases in america of coronavirus at the presidential as door. the country would have been left wide open, millions of people would have died, it is china's fault, it should never have happened. president trump's taxes we re happened. president trump's taxes were bound to be a question. it is claimed he only paid $750 in federal income tax in his first year in office. billionaires like him in the middle of the covid crisis have done very well. billionaires have made another $300 billion, because of his profligate tax proposal, and he only focused on the market. after months of protests following the killing of

african—americans by of protests following the killing of african—america ns by police, of protests following the killing of african—americans by police, the president has made law and order a central question in his campaign. arguing that the democrats are anti—police. arguing that the democrats are anti-police. you can't even say the word law—enforcement because if you say those words, you're going to lose all of your radical left supporters. and then it all got really personal, when the president began his much anticipated attack on joe biden's children. the moderator interrupted but the former vice—president bit. interrupted but the former vice-president bit. he was not a loser, he was a patriot, and the people left behind there were heroes. really? and i talking about my sun, beau biden. i don't know beau, hunter got thrown out of the military... this was a thoroughly badtempered and chaotic affair. both sides will claim a victory, both sides will claim a victory, both sides will claim a victory, both sides will live to fight another day. gary 0'donoghue, bbc news, clevela nd, day. gary 0'donoghue, bbc news,

cleveland, ohio. borisjohnson will hold a press conference this afternoon to update the public on the coronavirus pandemic. it's happening ahead of new restrictions coming into force in north wales. we can speak now to our political correspondent helen catt. we are trying to make sure that everybody knows the rules everywhere, that we are clear at least here on breakfast, but there are local lockdowns in different areas all over the uk, different rules, what's going on? yes, as you said, in an effort to avoid their ever being a second national lockdown, the government's strategy is to put these local lockdown is in place across england, and that brings with it different rules, different places having different rules. and there was some confusion yesterday, borisjohnson was asked to clarify some of the rules in the north—east, for example, and couldn't, he later tweeted to apologise for what he said was mis—speaking, which has led to claims that this is too confusing. business secretary alok sharma said

earlier that people need to check out the rules in their area. ultimately what we don't want to do is to have a distraction. what is important for your viewers is, if there is a particular restriction in my area, where can i find out precisely what it is? across the areas where there are different restrictions, there are different restrictions, there are different restrictions applying so it is important people look at the website and find out precisely what is required of them. there are concerns among mps that there was differences in local rules are too confusing but also that if you were to bring in some more blanket national rules, it would be too restrictive, and they believe that it is important that parliament should have more of a say on the setting of these rules, and there will be an attempt later by a group of mps to get the government to give parliament a vote on any new rules before they bring them in. they are trying to do that by attaching it to a bit of legislation, a vote later for mps to re—approve the emergency powers they

gave to the government six months ago. the technical process of how they are trying to do that in parliament, there is some dispute about how it could actually work, even though there are enough conservative mps to defeat the government on that if it came to it. there has been lots of chatting going on between government and mps to try to come up with a compromise, and one of those conservative mps this morning, steve baker, was saying that he hopes the government will make a reasonable offer that they can accept, to give parliament more of a say. if not, he warns that mps will keep battling on. helen, thank you very much. and we know that boris johnson thank you very much. and we know that borisjohnson is going to make a news briefing later as well. coventry university has strongly condemned footage of a party believed to have involved dozens of students. it shows the partygoers in a private accommodation block ignoring social distancing guidelines and the rule of six.

they can be seen climbing on top of ping pong tables at arundel house, close to coventry university's main campus. a spokesman said coventry university was aware of the incident and said any students found to be in breach of the university's code of conduct could face disciplinary proceedings. a leading cancer charity says almost a million british women have missed a breast cancer screening appointment because of the coronavirus pandemic. breast cancer now say thousands of cancers could be undetected with their diagnosis delayed. breast cancer screening services were paused during the height of the pandemic to help free up emergency nhs resources. they have now resumed. oil company shell has announced it is planning to make thousands ofjob cuts as it moves the business towards renewable energy. nina has been looking at the numbers for us. what is the company saying today, nina ? just a reminder about why we care about how big oil companies perform. traditionally, big chunks of pension funds are invested in them. energy firms grow, so do pension pots. we knew there were some losses

coming at the british—dutch firm shell but we didn't know how many. this morning they announced between 7,000 and 9,000 jobs, so about 10%, will go from their global workforce in the next two years. it's unclear how many of them will be in the uk, though it does include 1,500 people who have already agreed to voluntary redundancy. covid, of course, stopped us in our tracks, driving down the need for oil, and shell say that demands still at about two thirds of pre—covid levels. but some of the job losses were expected anyway as the company moves away from oil and gas towards investing in biofuels and hydrogen energy production. bp announced similar measures back in june, so people who care about theirjobs, the environment and pension investments will be looking out for the detail of where exactly the jobs will go and how the move in a green direction goes.

so, yes, somejobs will go but also some newjobs will be added in those companies as well. thank you very much. carol has the weather for us this morning and she is out and about at the beautiful kew gardens. good morning, carol. good morning, we are in the temperate house at kew gardens and today, kew gardens releases its report, state of the world's plants and fun guy. it also highlights in this report that two out of five of the world's plants could face potential extinction. —— fungi. it also shows that lots of new plants have been found, for example, six new types of allium found in turkey, ten new types of spinach found in california. why is that important? it shows that in the future, perhaps these plans could be adapted to feed the growing population, and that would help if

the current species become extinct. so, very important details contained in this report. the weather, of course, is also very important and todayit course, is also very important and today it is a very wet start across northern and western parts of the uk, and also pretty windy as a weather front comes from west to east. there will be some early folk today. —— fog. but when it lifts, many eastern areas will have a relatively bright start today. however, the rain will be moving eastwards during the day and behind it, in northern ireland, there will be some hefty showers. gusty winds today through the irish sea, later in the english channel, even inland it could be quite dusty this afternoon. this evening and overnight, the rain continues to push eastwards, eventually getting into the north sea. but there is a bit of it still affecting the

northern isles and north—east scotland. it will be a cold night, colder than last night. getting down to close to freezing in some rural areas. tomorrow, rain across the north—east of scotland. but there will be a lot of dry weather around as well and a fair bit of sunshine. some showers in the south and west with temperatures nothing to write home about. at the weekend, low pressure will be dominating, and we are looking at some potentially stormy conditions. back to you, dan and louise. as we just told you, we have been hearing cancer charities estimating that almost a million women have missed their mammogram after breast—cancer screening services we re breast—cancer screening services were paused during the pandemic. susan daniels is one of those affected, she couldn't rebook her screening earlier this year and later discovered a lump which turned out to be cancerous.

she joins us now along with kris hallenga, founder of breast cancer awareness charity coppafeel. good morning both of you and thank you so much forjoining us. first of all ijust you so much forjoining us. first of all i just want to hear your story. so, what happened? ok, so, i missed my screening at the beginning of the year due to a house move, so i phoned the breast test wales organisation in march two this screening but unfortunately the screening but unfortunately the screening services were postponed because of the pandemic. and then you found a lump? absolutely. weather it is a subconsciously or consciously, i don't know, but i checked and found a small lump in my left breast, contacted my gp, who immediately referred me to the rapid diagnosis, whereupon it was discovered that actually i had breast—cancer in both breasts, and this was picked up obviously on the mammogram that i had through the diagnosis service. coming to you

this morning, kris, how concerned are you? this morning, kris, how concerned are you ? 0bviously, this morning, kris, how concerned are you? obviously, the visors has been taking a lot of everyone's attention over the past few months, but it has taken the attention away from some of the things we are speaking about this morning and people have missed out on crucial scans? yes, it's terrifying, but i am just so proud of susan for checking her boots and knowing them and then acting on that and i think it comes back down... and similarly with the coronavirus, knowing what is happening with your body and noticing any changes in symptoms, we then have to act on it and do something about it. and most breast—cancer is are picked up by checking your boots yourself. compared to the mammogram service, although that is hugely important. and now the screening services up and running again and we need people to start going again. i think there is still a bit of fear around going and we need that, we need people to

start going for their mammogram is again, we need people to start realising that there are other illnesses happening all the time still, they have not stopped because of coronavirus. i can tell you that a mammogram is not fun, but i can tell you also, confirm, that secondary breast—cancer is way less fun. so it is really important that people go in now, now that you can. and it is worrying that there is a huge backlog, really worrying. and the sooner we can get that cleared, the sooner we can get that cleared, the better. we speak to a gp most mornings on this programme and they try to get people to talk to them about other issues. how dangerous does that feel, some people must think i don't wa nt to feel, some people must think i don't want to bother my gp at the moment. hugely, at coppafeel we noticed a huge increase in people coming to us

with concerns and they need that extra level of encouragement to go. whereas normally they may be wouldn't have thought twice about it, calling it a gp. wouldn't have thought twice about it, calling ita gp. now wouldn't have thought twice about it, calling it a gp. now they need this extra boost to go. that is all because of the virus. but the thing is, the services are up and running, the gp will see you all at least speak to you on the phone and he will get to see them. she was diagnosed and she was seen within two weeks and she was diagnosed. i, myself was due to have a mastectomy at the beginning of the year which got delayed. it wasn't alive saying vasectomy, it was an aesthetic mastectomy and that was delayed. but the service was incredible, they we re the service was incredible, they were so careful and they were amazing. you know, as well as sharing the awful stuff, i want people to know that once you are

seen, the service is running well and you will be seen and ultimately we need the breast cancer to be diagnosed early, that is what will save people's live. it is good to hear that point of view as well. susan, did you have that concern that you didn't want to go and see yourgp, that you didn't want to go and see your gp, where you affected by what was going on around us, as it were? initially, when i first discovered the lump, i hoped it would just go away. i was worried about leaving the house. there was so much going on in the press it made you afraid to leave the house. but when the lump didn't go away, i knew i had to contact my gp. it was concerning, but from there on in, everything was brilliant and everyone dealt with it really well, it was dealt with speedily. i have been through surgery andl speedily. i have been through surgery and i am waiting for my course of radiotherapy. i urge anyone who has got any concerns to

contact their gp immediately.” anyone who has got any concerns to contact their gp immediately. i can ask both of you this, but susan, the importance we often hear about early diagnosis with any type of cancer, it is crucial? absolutely, ifi had left it, who knows where i would be now. you campaign on the soul of the time, chris and your message is really clear? yes, if breast cancer is diagnosed at an early stage of stand such a highest chance of survival for a long stand such a highest chance of survivalfor a long time. if you stand such a highest chance of survival for a long time. if you are diagnosed at stage four, and stage four means a secondary breast cancer, it means it is in another pa rt cancer, it means it is in another part of your body. that is when it kills. that is what we are trying to avoid. early diagnosis, plus the best possible treatment is what is going to make people survive. we

need people to focus on checking themselves again, speak to their gps about something that might not be coronavirus and we need people to start thinking there are charities out there and medical research that needs to continue, to help people like me who do not get a chance of an early diagnosis. as ever, i appreciate your time. good to talk to you again. she is founder of coppafeel and to you again. she is founder of coppa feel and susan, good to you again. she is founder of coppafeel and susan, good luck with your treatment. thank you very much. thank you. a unique snapshot of victorian life in britain has been revealed within a collection of some of the oldest photographs ever taken. captured by a local man, they show the town and people of horsham in west sussex, like you've never seen them before. now, the privately—owned album is going up for auction as breakfast‘s tim muffett reports. sussex life in the ‘a0s and ‘505. that's the 18a05 and 50s.

these are the oldest photographs of something that is known to exist. i never really imagined that i would have the opportunity to handle, to handle, catalogue and sell something this special. the photographs were taken by captain thomas honeywood, who lived in horsham in west sussex, less than ten years after what most considered to be the world's first ever photograph was taken in 1839, honeywood captured local scenes and people. his first picture is believed to be from 18a8, most are from the early 18505. the use of light and shade, the composition, it's like an oil painting. he's basically creating old masters with this new form of art. people who were photographed here, they didn't know what a camera was so you are getting an intimacy there that you don't get later on? it's so interesting looking at photographs from his time

because some people just don't know what to make of the cameras. they look at them like it's some sort of witchcraft. i think this really communicates well with the suspicion, perhaps, of looking at a photographer and looking at a camera, this newfangled piece of technology. this lady looks like she doesn't quite believe what's going on and is very, very cynical and suspicious of it. and i think that's a fascinating image. the album was owned privately, it's thought by a descendant of honeywood, until ten years ago when it was snapped up at an auction. now it's being sold again. the big question then, how much do you think this is worth? personally, i think they could fetch up to six figures. perhaps, you know, 50 to £70,000 is an attractive estimate. if you look at some of the french master photographers from the same period, one photographed by them, one landscape can fetch up to £250,000. i thought they were great because they are so different. jeremy knight runs the horsham museum, and surprisingly, the photographs are causing quite a stir.

we, in britain, don't value photography so much as art, ordidn't. whereas other countries like france and america do. that's now changing and we are now seeing what these early photographs are. they are portraits, they are as good quality portraits as an oil painting and they should be seen as art. some scenes haven't changed that much, many buildings remain, but other views are barely recognisable. to stand here where he stood with his camera, he must have had some weird looks then mustn't he? yeah, like people looking today, what are people doing here? exactly the same people. photography, we take for granted, but in those days it was something special. from a tripod and mahogany box, life has gone on so fast, so much and he himself, he just wouldn't recognise it. when these come up for auction, are you tempted to put in a bid? we would love to, but the reality is they are of national significance.

honeywood's photographic techniques would earn him widespread acclaim in later life. he died in 1888, but his early pictures give a unique snapshot of life in britain 170 years ago. tim muffett, bbc news. we have got something special for you now. working as a search and rescue dog is no easyjob, so after more than a decade of helping people across the lake district, it's time for our next guest, skye the border collie, to put her paws up. at the tender age of 1a, she's taking a well—earned rest. let's meet her now with her ownerjohn leadbetter. good morning to you both. john, she is absolutely gorgeous. tell us, what have you been up to with her over the many years, she is a rescue dog? yes, about skye, 14 years old

and she has been graded with 11 yea rs and she has been graded with 11 years with the lake district rescue dogs. sadly, it's time for her to retire. she is a companion on the hill, she has always been there for me. definitely a member of the mountain rescues i have been with. skye has proudly earned her time and place those muddy paw prints on the vehicles as we go out on rescues. she is gorgeous, looking right down the camera. give us an idea of some of the worksheet and you have involved in? the search dogs can do the work of about 15 to 20 people in a mountain rescue team. strangely enough, they use their noses to detect human scent on the win. you can imagine in the middle of the

night, foul weather conditions, complex search areas, we can send the dogs into places that really would be difficult for the two legged side of the rescue team to search. the dogs are designed, trained to bark, when they find the casualty to bark at the casualty and then return to me as the handler, bark at me. then they take me to the casualty. i can then administer firstaid, casualty. i can then administer first aid, shelter, what ever i might need to. radio the position of the casualty into the rest of the rescue the casualty into the rest of the rescu e tea m the casualty into the rest of the rescue team where they can turn up with more advanced medical kit, stretches and even call in the helicopter for emergencies. stretches and even call in the helicopterfor emergencies. so really, the search dogs are very good search tool mountain rescue. she is so lovely, she is mesmerising. why did she need to retire now, you said she is a bit

slow in the snow? yes, we do an annual avalanche training course, normally held in scotland. this year, we noticed that skye was getting a bit slower in the deeper powder snow and with a 1a—year—old dog, it is like the rest of us, we dog, it is like the rest of us, we do start to showed signs of wear and tear. we downgraded from the steep mountain stuff to what we term as low level. but open fell land, farm land and things like that, which was one of her most recent, her last search with the kendall team. she ended on a high actually searching a local area for a missing lady with a very local area for a missing lady with a very own local area for a missing lady with a very own team. what happens now, do you look after her, i imagine you are training a replacement as well? first and foremost, if i took this

jacket off, skye is my pet. i have had her since she was a pup, which is common with a lot of the search dog handlers. they are our dogs, we put the jacket on them and they have a special purpose in life. when the pager goes off, the jacket goes on and she knows she will be working. now she has earned her retirement, she will take leisurely strolls, well, she will take leisurely strolls, i have a young pup who i am hoping to train up as my neck search dog. now i have to go through the training process again. i am getting the new dog used to being on the mountains. skye takes it easy and i have got to take two different dogs out on two different types of orcs. john, i wish we could talk to you all morning. thank you so much and skye, good luck in your retirement. what a gorgeous dog, thank you, john. look after her. that has

cheered me up. dogs always do that. let's get the news, travel wherever you are watching. good morning from bbc london, i'm alpa patel. young people from london who are being exploited by criminal gangs are being told to dress as key workers according to city hall. it's to enable them to sell drugs, while also getting around lockdown rules. the new tactics were revealed after a week of police action to shut down the activity, known as county lines. bustards there are warnings from the charity st mungo's — that temporary workers are at risk of homelesness. new research suggests those on zero

hour contacts or working in the gig economy — are more vulnerable than ever a new study by imperial college london says the coronavirus pandemic is worsening the obesity crisis. weight management services were suspended during the crisis until recently. with fears of a second wave, specialists are concerned services will be disrupted again. urban beekeeping in london is becoming an "unsustainable" hobby that is doing more harm than good. experts at the royal botanic gardens at kew say too many hives are increasing competition for nectar. they say there aren't enough flowers to keep rivals like wild honeybees fed. brixton is one of four locations around the country to have a special post box, marking black history month. the box in acre lane, was chosen because of its proximity to the black cultural archives. each box features a figure of significance to the black community. let's take a look at the travel situation now. 0n the tube — the central line

is part suspnded because of a person on the track at bank station, severe delays there. 0n the trains — southeastern services are still not running london—bound on the sidcup line. and in barking, still slow on the a13 into town approaching the beckton roundabout. now whe weather with kate kinsella. good morning. one or two mist and fog patches around this morning, particularly towards the north of london and out into the home counties. elsewhere, we should get a bright start with a bit of sunshine but the end of the day is going to be different to the start. cloud increasing this morning and then the rain arriving through the afternoon. the whole time the wind strengthening — a southerly south—westerly wind and that's going to make things feel pretty chilly. temperatures 15 to 17 celsius, so cooler than yesterday. into this evening, it stays pretty wet and windy, that rain clearing away gradually overnight, north and eastwards, becoming much drier, still the risk of maybe one or two showers and the risk spills into thursday morning as well. the minimum temperature between nine and 11 celsius. so for thursday, it is looking like a much drier day, should see a decent amount of sunshine, still a little breezy

and the temperature very similar. that sunshine doesn't really make an impact on the temperature — 1a-15. a deep area of low pressure moves in for friday so turning very wet and windy through the afternoon and unsettled through the weekend. i'm back in half an hour. plenty more on our website at the usual address. now though it's back to dan and louise. hello, this is breakfast with dan walker and louise minchin. in one of the most popular shows of the ‘80s and ‘90s, the grotesque caricatures of spitting image pulled no punches as they took regular aim at celebrities and public figures likejohn major and the royal family. and now after a 2a—year absence, it's back, this time with new puppets including the sussexes, boris and putin. let's take a look. what did you say the show is called?

the... latin pond, is spitting image. spitting image, it's sketch show with puppet caricatures of real people, and it can be rather nasty. puppets? that is the very most moronic thing i have ever heard. my puppet is going to be the best puppet is going to be the best puppet and i love it. a show that takes on the global elite with sophisticated satire...” takes on the global elite with sophisticated satire... i hereby declare myself a ruler of earth!l show with sharp insights about technology... got all your private data! but i got all your money! it's perfect tonight! it's rubbish. i mean, do you really want to see me brained on the noggin by a piece of lumber?

we're joined now by one of the show‘s creators, roger law, who's in norfolk. iam i am probably showing my age, i think i used to set my alarm virtually to watch spitting image backin virtually to watch spitting image back in the day. so, you are back again, how do you choose who you are going to caricature? well, it is much vigour this time, there's about 100 puppets made already, and the show is global, it goes out all over the place. it's rather difficult for an old guy like me to know some of the people i am caricaturing. so, we saw some of the names in popular culture at the moment, you said you had worked your way through a lot of caricatures, who are you going to target this time around, is it largely politicians or are you branching out even further? no, there is a lot of social satire with people i don't know chrissie tegan and elon musk and... it is written by. westbrook, who worked for simpsons for over a decade. and when

i look at your puppets, i always wa nt to i look at your puppets, i always want to know, so, the people you make puppets of, some of them are flattered, aren't they? well, they have to be because you can't say, i'm deeply upset by my caricature, can you, if you're british? you have to say, it's perfectly all right, i love it! and roger, do you think that things are very different now to when spitting image was around first time, how do you caricature somebody but at the same time, and you will know what i am getting at, how do you tread carefully on modern day sensibilities about still... ? first of all, it is not that different, because you have got a great lot of division out there, and people are really upset about a lot of things, and that i think that is why ina of things, and that i think that is why in a way i have been allowed out—of—the—box again, quite frankly. and what you have to do with the

caricatures is look a bit more closely, and each one is done to that person. you don't deal in cliches these days at all. michelle 0bama is the most popular woman in america, so you had better get her right. and when you look at someone, from your artistic point of view, do you immediately see what you are going to exaggerate, make a thing of? when i was much younger kai could never understand why people didn't see what i was seeing. you won't remember this politician, richard nixon, but it was quite clear who he was from one glance. and of course, you didn't have much trouble caricaturing him, really. we talk about the fact that the political landscape has changed, roger, what about the audience, what do you think the audience perception of spitting image will be this time round? well how the hell would i know, i am down here in norfolk? i

meet people who clearly voted for boris who are just dying to see the show, so i'm very confused, you tell me! and what is funny watching it as well as, we've been working through a global pandemic et cetera and none of them are going to have to wear masks, are they, or do you also deal with that, too? well, every time i've seen biden on screen, because they pipe it down to me, he's wearing a mask. i mean, the puppet is, you know. and roger, everybody we speak to, we talk about the difficulties of working over the last few months, have you been working largely on your own so it hasn't really affected you? i've been working on this machine, and it's really rather strange, but it is also effective. i've got a young person that knows how to use it. the biggest mistake i made is, there is no sense of scale on zoom, so some of the puppet heads were rather small, some were rather large, but

we have got round that problem. no, the bit i really miss is being in the bit i really miss is being in the workshop and catching things before they happen, because you're rushing around shouting, and i miss that enormously, working with the team. that's what i really like, i've spent most of my working life in workshops. that's a bit upsetting. but i went down last week, it was a big day out for me, i haven't been out of here since march andi haven't been out of here since march and i saw love the puppets and i couldn't believe how excited i was. a day out in acton! i was loving it! you look like you've got a lovely workshop there as well. i remember that it was really current and up—to—date, and are you able to do that this time, what kind of timescale are you filming it in? the format has changed somewhat, but there are topicals, which is what we did before. so they will be filmed as near to the going out time as possible. and who is your all-time

favourite puppet? greatto, greta timber, is my favourite puppet. why? i think timber, is my favourite puppet. why? ithink any timber, is my favourite puppet. why? i think any puppet that really works, and will be used over and over again, is my favourite puppet. because you make puppets and drawings and they never happen. it was a great idea at the time, but no one seems to want to write for them, and they can't wait to write for gretha, so she is my favourite puppet. thank you so much for being on the programme. spitting image will be released on britbox on saturday. carol has the weather for us this morning from kew gardens. look at that, beautiful surroundings, what is going to be happening with the weather, carol? isn't it gorgeous, we are here in

kew gardens in the temperate house. we often walk past trees in cities without even noticing them, and one thing a new report from kew gardens out today has highlighted is the lack of diversity in our city trees, making them more vulnerable to the effects of climate change and pests. trees help reduce flooding, and also help with clean air, so we have to plant more trees and a wider range of trees, that can cope with our changing world. and another thing that the report also highlighted was that the report also highlighted was that we are at risk of losing two out of our every five plants in the world due to potential extinction. that is quite a staggering number. weatherwise, we are looking at a lot of rain today, which is coming in from the north and the west, and it will be accompanied by gusty winds. we have got a couple of weather fronts bringing this rain with them.

close together ice bars tell you that we have got gusty winds, the strongest in the morning will be out to the west. they will transfer eastwards through the day. in the afternoon, they will be across the english channel. but there will be gusty winds inland as well. first thing this morning, we lose the mist and fog and then it is a relatively bright start. but the rain will continue moving eastwards during the day. temperatures ranging from 12 in the north to 17 in the south. this evening and overnight, the band of rain continues, eventually getting into the north sea, but there is some still lying over the north—east of scotland. tonight will be colder than last night. in some rural areas, it will get down close to

freezing. tomorrow, we have the same band of rain across north—east scotland. but for many of us it is going to be a dry day with some sunny spells. some showers in wales and the south—west of england and northern ireland. temperatures will be slipping towards the end of the week. rain and strong winds will be coming up from the south on friday. scotla nd coming up from the south on friday. scotland and northern ireland will be drier and brighter with fewer showers. but there is the potential in england and wales for some stormy conditions. and that continues into the weekend, as low pressure remains with us, and still feeling cool with windy conditions and quite a bit of rain. so, stay tuned to the weather forecast if indeed you have any outdoor plans this weekend. the positioning might still change. it

has been wonderful being here at kew this morning, dan and lou, we have really enjoyed it, we hope you have, too. and indeed there are outdoor plans, the london marathon takes place on sunday. you are running at virtually? well, i am running it... if you have got a place, you can run it in if you have got a place, you can run itina if you have got a place, you can run it in a place of your choice, so i am still running it, butjust not in london. and we hope to speak to eliud kipchoge, who knows a thing or two about running marathons, and steve cram will also be joining two about running marathons, and steve cram will also bejoining us. having your holiday plans cancelled because of the coronavirus is frustrating enough but some holidaymakers have been forced to wait up to five months for a refund. since the start of the pandemic, 2a,000 people have complained to the uk's competition regulator. 0ur consumer affairs correspondent sarah corker has more. golden beaches in the caribbean.

millions of dream holidays have been ruined by the pandemic. this couple from wigan had their trip to barbados in april cancelled. they said getting a refund from tui was a battle. it is a shocking way to treat people, they would not refund the money which rightly was yours. roy said he spent months trying to get £2500 back from tui. eventually he gave up and managed to claim a refu nd he gave up and managed to claim a refund through his credit card provider instead. a lot of people could have done with the gusts of that holiday money in their bank. and while tui were looking after themselves, hanging on to that money, other people were suffering. how do you feel about the way you've been treated, then?” how do you feel about the way you've been treated, then? i get angry over it, that's caused by frustration. there is nowhere to go, there's no one to talk to. if you part with £2500, you would expect that your

money was safe and. tui said it cancelled 2 million holidays and its systems were overwhelmed at the height of the crisis but it is on track to clear the backlog of refunds by the end of today. anyone whose package holiday has been cancelled has the right to a full cash refund. by law, you should get your money back within 1a days. if your money back within 1a days. if your flight is cancelled, you are entitled to a refund within seven days, but a huge backlog has led to long delays. how long have you been waiting to get your money back and how much are you owed? we've been waiting about five months and we are owed just over £1500. david's family holiday to turkey was cancelled in april. he had booked tui flights through last—minute.com.” april. he had booked tui flights through last-minute.com. i did not for one minute imagine that it would ta ke for one minute imagine that it would take this long to get their money back. allow a bit of leeway for coronavirus but not five months. it

has been unbelievably frustrating as a process. when it should be seven days and it has taken five months. and still no sign. last—minute.com said the volume of cancellations was unprecedented and it has apologised for delays and is working through refu nd for delays and is working through refund requests. another frustration for travellers has been airlines encouraging them to take vouchers instead of money back. they certainly did not make it easy for you to get a refund. this person from inverness now has two sets of vouchers from british airways for cancelled flights to moscow and new york. it was made very difficult and still is difficult. you have to persevere, and keep calling and calling if you want money back, but they make it very easy for you to accept vouchers. it looks like this pandemic and restrictions are going to last another six months, so that is eating into the timescale that they are saying you can use them. do you think they purposely made it more difficult to get a refund and

push people towards the vouchers? definitely, absolutely. the airline says it will always provide a refund ifa says it will always provide a refund if a customer is eligible. the travel industry, though, has been struggling to deal with the scale of this crisis, but travellers say they should not be the ones left out—of—pocket. sarah corker, bbc news, the a0th annual london marathon is just days away, but with a six—foot high barrier to prevent the public from gathering and only elite athletes taking part it will look very different. runners will complete a closed—loop circuit around saintjames's park, completing almost 20 laps. let's speak to olympic champion and world record holder eliud kipchoge in central london and olympic medallist steve cram in hexham.

lovely to speak to you this morning. hopefully we will speak to eliud later on. as louise said, it will be strange but at least it is happening, i suppose? it is and hats off to the organisers. i know they have worked tirelessly and the london boroughs who were part of the conversation about what could happen when it was postponed and hope they could have the massive event. we are least going to see the best marathon runners in the world. we have a lovely eight and a half hours on the bbc with the women's race, then the men's race and then the wheelchair race. but we will be catching up with louise and everyone else. i think you can start at midnight. you have 2a hours in which to complete your own marathon. it will be a great day. i am starting at dawn, which i think is at 7.12, to be

precise. it is 19.8 laps or something like that, is it going to be fast? well, it will be fast but in terms of world records, i think most people are thinking that amount of laps, lots of corners, it is basically a rectangle. as you said, almost 20 laps, so i think we have great head to heads, it will be pretty quick but any chance of running world records, the cause probably will limit that a little bit. hopefully eliud kipchoge was listening in. hejoins us now. steve cram has talked a little bit about how the marathon will be different this year, what has it been like from your perspective and preparing in this bio secure bubble?”

from your perspective and preparing in this bio secure bubble? i have been well and my training has been coming on well. i can say i am ready and fit to run on sunday. are you feeling confident for defending the title, even though it will be a slightly different race? absolutely, lam slightly different race? absolutely, i am confident. i am working hard and crossing my fingers i will defend my title and become the fastest man to win london five times. that would be really something. eliud, give us a bit of an idea because obviously one of the things about london is the incredible crowds. is that going to make a difference to you that you are not surrounded by people watching you? absolutely, it it will bea watching you? absolutely, it it will be a different thing. it will be a huge different for the london marathon 2020. you know, the crowd, the fans contribute a lot for our

performance and enjoying the marathon. but all in all, it is the challenges and i am respecting what has to happen. this is the only way we can hope to do all we can and tell the world that even with covid—19, you can still train behind—the—scenes. covid—19, you can still train behind-the-scenes. steve, just to bring you in on that, even though it is going to be different, lots of people to watch it and the fact it is on at all. lots of the runners will be wearing devices so they can maintain social distancing while they are running, how is that going to work? the technology, the bump

technology, i think it is called, is something they have been wearing since they arrived, the staff and athletes and everybody connected with the event, it is to track interaction with each other when you are sitting close to somebody for too long a period and any of them become ill, because people have been arriving since earlier in the week, you know you have been close to that person and you can take appropriate action around isolation. all of the athletes were tested before they flew in. they have taken every possible precaution. yes, this technology, i know we were keen that was how it could take place and keep people apart because it flashes when you get too close to somebody. i am not sure about whether the elite athletes are wearing them or not, you will have to ask eliud but they

are being used around the hotel, every precaution being taken. we are not inside the actual course, i am so pleased it is happening. i really am pleased and once again, well done to the guys. hopefully the weather will be ok as well. i missed carol's weather forecast for the weekend. the london marathon always seems to get good weather, so fingers crossed. eliud, if i can get good weather, so fingers crossed. eliud, if! can ask you get good weather, so fingers crossed. eliud, if i can ask you one question because you havejust crossed. eliud, if i can ask you one question because you have just got a few days to go, what are your priority is to get yourself ready for the race? for now, i amjust training around the hotel. i make sure that i concentrate, relax and i will be ready for sunday. it isjust

a matter of making sure i relax folly, have a massage and other things. because i have done a lot of training in kenyan, so this few days to acclimatise the body. thank you so much forjoining us, eliud kipchoge, and steve cram. all of us who were doing the virtual london marathon, the bill relax. we have done all your work, louise, sojust relax for the next few days. on sunday you can follow live coverage of the london marathon across bbc one, bbc two and the iplayer. the documentary "eliud kipchoge: my sub two hour marathon" will also be repeated on bbc two at one o'clock. it starts at seven o'clock in the morning, the coverage starts at seven o'clock.

a circus theatre and a gothic—towered police station have been named among the buildings most at risk of ruin in england and wales. they are part of the victorian society's annual list of the top 10 most endangered buildings. let's speak to the society's president who happens to be the comedian griff rhstones. hejoins us now. good morning. lovely to have you on. you are not running the marathon this weekend? i wish i was. you are not running the marathon this weekend? iwish i was. but! must admit my running days are over. i in need of conservation myself. how did you become the president?‘ long time ago i did a programme called restoration and i did spend too much of my life restoring the hackney empire. that happened, that was a victorian building and then i moved on and became the vice president. now i am president of the victorian society and i have not been impeached, so i am all right. we talk about endangered species,

but endangered buildings, really? for the last ten years, the society has called on its members and said, let's nominate the ten saddest buildings, the ones that you love and need help. you might think, you are going to see second—rate churches and things like that. the extraordinary thing about the list andi extraordinary thing about the list and i have been publicising it for the last five years, is to say that when they come up, they are enlightening because you see the extraordinary range that the victorian and edwardian builders made, but these are very important, good buildings that really should be recycled. also, it is important, our landscapes, towns and high streets are constantly changing and the beauty of some of these buildings, it is part of that landscape, part of the difference between the old

and the new which we can enjoy with generations to come as well? what we are hearing at the moment, the idea that in the cities, they have a new threat. retail is struggling and it has been struggling for years. perhaps we will go in and use them as offices again, who knows? but the point is, if we want our inner cities to thrive, we need to keep them to be places which are attractive, interesting, fascinating, places that have got character. there is no doubt the victorians and the edwardians had the imagination and the resources to build extraordinary buildings. in the 1920s people didn't like them and they tried to tear them down. but i think people recognise now, what extraordinary, dignified buildings they could build. and they had a sense of self—importance.

sometimes rather silly, you know, we have a police station that looks like a swiss chalet and we have a brewery in shepperton that looks like a great renaissance palace. but at the same time, we don't, funnily enough, have the resources to build these buildings again and as a result, they add an extraordinary sort of level of character and joy to the places you find them. they we re to the places you find them. they were clearly built to last, because they are still here. what about financials, because it costs money to keep them going to care for them? it does, but some of them, there is no particular reason why they haven't been developed. there is a hospital... i was shocked, because i live in the centre of town, i was shocked to find there were buildings right next to where i lived which we re right next to where i lived which were on the endangered list. there is one on the marylebone road, not

farfrom is one on the marylebone road, not far from where any of us are uncertain in the middle of central london, it has been empty for 23 yea rs. london, it has been empty for 23 years. the samaritan hospital. there is no reason for this decay. the building has extraordinary value. we need flats, we need apartments. everybody is talking about the need to get people into recycled buildings, and this building should be used. i don't know if you have seen much of the presidential debate, the first one, people might be watching this money, griff rhys jones, mr president, i want to help with yourcampaign, jones, mr president, i want to help with your campaign, what can we do? the victorian society, which was founded byjohn betjeman, amongst others, has lots of things to offer. we have not been able to do our regular tours and visits, but i was amazed when i joined, regular tours and visits, but i was amazed when ijoined, what a series of events and activities it offers. if you join, it makes us powerful.

the victorian society is a voice and the more we represent, the more we can be heard. griff rhys jones, lovely to talk to you. thank you mr president. you're watching bbc breakfast. it's 8.59.

hi, good morning and welcome to bbc news, i'm vic victoria derbyshire, here are the headlines... personal attacks and feisty exchanges from the two men who want to be the next president of the united states. millions tune into the first presidential tv debate. i'm not going to answer the question because... why won't you answer that question? the question is... radical left... will you shut up, man. listen... the men insulted each other and argued about america's response to coronavirus, race and tax. people out there need help. but why didn't you do it in the last 25 years? because you weren't president screwing things up. you were a senator and... you're the worst president america has ever had, come on. let me just tell you, joe, in 47 months, i've done more than you've done in 47 years, joe. new restrictions come in across the north east of england,