hello, i'm ros atkins, this is outside source. after the first presidential debate, donald trump has been forced to explain this. proud boys, stand back and stand by. but donald trump now says he has always condemned white supremacists. you'll have to give me definition because i don't know who the proud boys are. you will only list i can only say that i have to stand down and let law enforcement do their work. he didn't know who they were but he didn't know who they were only the third term in the debate. lots of name—calling and mudslinging. the moderator said they are going to introduce more measures

to ensure a more orderly discussion in debates to come. we will also update you on the discussion on the other‘s doorstep. we'll also update you on the esclating conflict on europe's doorstep. azerbaijan is refusing to end its military operations against armenia, as it demands full control of the nagorno—karabakh region, and the human cost is mounting. and at the latest covid—i9 briefing, the uk's chief scientific adviser has warned "we don't have this under control". if us presidential debates are about informing voters about policy and showing a watching world how democracy works, then what we saw last night was a failure. for 90 minutes, the pressure america is under was laid bare. msnbc called it a "dark event". cnn called it a "hot mess, inside a dumpster fire, inside a train wreck." the interruptions and insults cast such a shadow over proceedings so much so that the commission

which organises them now says it will bring in new measures to "to ensure a more orderly discussion of the issues" in the next two debates. well, in the coming minutes, we're going to work through the key moments and the fallout from an infamous night — starting with donald trump passing up the chance to condemn white supremacists. do you want to call them — what do you want to call them? give me a name, give me a name. white supremacists. go ahead. who would you like me to condemn? the proud boys, white supremacists and... the proud boys, stand back and stand by. but i tell you what, i'll tell you what, somebody‘s got to do something about antifa and the left. so he didn't address white supremacy, but he did tell a far—right group, the proud boys, to "stand by". well, he's now clarified. he says he has always denounced white supremacists. and here's what he said about the proud boys. i don't know who the proud boys are. i mean, you'll have to give me a definition because i don't really know who they are. i can only say, they need to stand down, let law enforcement do their work. let's be clear, he didn't address

white supremacy when asked to join the debate ended refer to the boys. —— and did refer to the proud boys. earlier, the senate republican leader mitch mcconnell was asked about the president's handling of this issue in the debate. he said the president condemns white supremacists in the strongest possible way. washington post columnist brian klaas sees it differently. it's not that he just didn't condemn it. it that he gave an instruction to this group, as though he was their leader. he said to "stand by" as though he's waiting for further instructions, if there is election related violence. so i think the intentions and the polarisation around the election are so great, and president trump's language is so explosive, that i'm very worried about violence around the november elections. joe biden was asked about those concerns today. here's what he said. if in fact we win this election, this president will step down. it's a lot of bravado. he has no alternative. the american people will not stand for it, no agency would stand for that happening. my message to the proud boys and every other white supremacist group is, "cease and desist. " that is not who we are. this is not who we are as americans.

if you don't know of the proud boys, this is a group that was founded in 2016. it's far—right, anti—immigrant, and all—male. and there are strict membership protocols. in order to join, members have to declare that they are "a western chauvinist who refuses to apologise for creating the modern world". they've become notorious for violent confrontations and have frequently faced off against opposition groups. facebook, instagram, twitter and youtube have all banned the group. facebook says it consideres it a hate organisation. they continue to use private social media channels like telegram and parler, where they are reportedly celebrating mr trump's refusal to condemn them. ——according to us media. the other group referenced in this segment of the debate was antifa. that's short for "anti—fascist". it's not a coherent group and more a loose affiliation of mostly far—left activists. and some antifa activists have a track record of using violence to make their point.

they have been prominent during some black lives matter protests and have frequently clashed with opposing groups and police. to be clear, proud boys and antifa are relatively small — a few thousand active supporters at most, some think even less. but their willingness to use violence means they get a lot of attention. so remarkably, one issue was the president refusing to condemn white supremacy. the next issue is how moderator chris wallace struggled to contain donald trump's continual interruptions. here's one of many examples. we're moving on. he didn't take them. mr president, no. can i be honest? try to be honest, it's a good thing. no, he stood up, he stood up... no, the answers to the question is no. ..and he threatened ukraine with $1 billion. that is absolutely not true. you know what, you're not... stop. you're going to have... he's on tape doing it. not true.

gentlemen, i hate to raise my voice but it seems to be... chris, he's on tape. i hate to raise my voice but why should i be different than the two of you? the country would be better served if we allowed both people to speak with fewer interruptions. i am appealing to you, sir, to do that. well, i am too. well, frankly, you have been doing more interrupting than he has. well, that's all right, but he does plenty. well, sir, less than... does plenty. less than you have. let's please continue on. it was always going to be difficult. one columnist for the new york magazine tweeted. .. "people are hating on chris wallace but i think there was no way to moderate this debate effectively." anne applebaum of the atlantic argues that was intentional. she tweeted. .. "the point of trump's performance in that debate was to undermine confidence in the election and in democracy itself." mr trump himself has responded. "chris had a tough night. two on one was not surprising, but fun." two things of interest to note about chris wallace — he is a registered democrat, but on the other hand,

he works for a network, fox news, that's consistently supportive of the president. well, as i mentioned earlier, the commission which runs these debates says the rules now need to be changed. in a statement, the commission on presidential debates said... "last night's debate made clear that additional structure should be added to the format of the remaining debates to ensure a more orderly discussion of the issues." let's get further analysis from the bbc‘s barbara plett usher in dc. after the debate last night, commentators who finally looked visibly shocked said let's stop here, why would you want to make another one of these, what is the point ofmay have this commission saying yes, more structure is needed for orderly discussion, we are considering new tools and we were let you know shortly. they have called for things like the moderator being able to cut the might or to end the debate early if it gets out of hand but bear in mind that the next debate is going to be different formats, it is going to be a town hall format in which ordinary people ask questions, that might be a format which is less likely to be dominated by mr trump in this way because he did seem be very calculated about his barrage of insults and interruptions and so on, it did seem to be a tactic of disruption which even his own people said was too hot. mr biden has said he is going to continue with these

debates no matter what an impact he made quite a lot of money for his campaign during last night's debate so campaign during last night's debate so that at least is an incentive to keep going but you do wonder how many more people are going to keep tuning in at the commission doesn't come up with something that can actually bring order to this and make it a debate rather than a sort of fiasco. and, barbara, i'm losing count of the number of commentators who are either writing articles are going on tv or tweeting that this is no crisis in american democracy, what we saw last night, what we have seen more generally. we have been covering american politics for a long while. do you think that is overstating it? well, president trump has been chipping away at the norms and institutions of democracy in the past four years but i would say that that has escalated in the last four months in the sense that he has begun to actively cast doubt on the democratic process itself so he has said that mail—in voting will lead to massive fraud when there is no evidence that is the case, he has not committed himself to accepting the results of the election if he thinks that there is fraud. he is not even committed to a peaceful

transition of power, which is bedrock stuffer democracy so i think the trajectory is alarming. is alarming. is democracy, right now, in crisis here? i would say at the very least the foundations of democracy in the us are being tested. just quickly, how are we looking at the polls at the moment? mr biden is still up, i assume? that have been a lot of numbers that he has had a very stable lead over president trump for a while, in the single digits, between six and 10% and also the lead in western states as well. the feeling going into the debate was that mr trump was on the defensive and would need to shift attention away from himself was mr biden and his presumed weaknesses and that didn't happen as we have seen, it was very much centrestage in his destructive practice and some analysis were saying there was no winner therefore joe analysis were saying there was no winner thereforejoe biden analysis were saying there was no winner therefore joe biden is analysis were saying there was no winner thereforejoe biden is the winner thereforejoe biden is the winner because he is out in front. this is one of those moments when the world

watches american democracy, and it's fair to say a lot of people were unimpressed. here are some front pages. in germany, der spiegel said the debate was "a tv duel like a car accident." the state—run chinese newspaper, the global times, called it "the most chaotic presidential debate ever." and italian newspaper la repubblica declared that "american politics had never sunk so low" and that it was "chaotic, rowdy and based on mutual contempt." or you could read the times of london described is as "was not a debate in any meaningful sense," but rather "an ill—tempered and at times incomprehensible squabble between two angry septua—genarians who palpably loathe each other". nick bryant from our washington bureau writes... "when historians assess the self—inflicted harm america did to its international reputation in the early 21st century, the florida debacle will be on the list, guantanamo, abu ghraib and that first presidential debate. watched the world over. incalculable soft power damage. " donald trump's former national security adviser, general hr mcmaster, spoke to bbc world news earlier, and said the deep divisions on show were harming america.

we're acting like we're oui’ own worst enemies. and so, as you allude to, russia in particular is trying to drag us down, trying to polarise all of our societies, pit us against each other, and really amplify these narrow identities in a way that reduces our confidence in who we are as a people and in our democratic principles and institutions, and processes. so all of our leaders, especially those on stage last night, they have to be a heck of a lot more responsible. because i don't think they recognise the damage they're doing and how easy they are making it for our determined adversaries. moving away from the us — and an update on covid—i9 in the uk. prime minister boris johnson is warning the government will not hesitate to bring in further restrictions if need be. here's some of a press conference earlier. no matter how impatient we may be, how fed up that we may become, there is only one way of doing this

— and that's about showing a collective forbearance, common sense, and willingness to make sacrifices for the safety of others. the number of new cases is over 7,000 for a second day in a row, with a further 7,108 confirmed cases reported in the last 2a hours. for a second day, there were 71 deaths. and here's chief medical officer chris whitty warning that case numbers are going in the wrong direction. there's a general increase across the whole of england. and the same is also true of scotland, wales, and northern ireland, with a few exceptions. but a very rapid increase in particular areas, again, particularly in the northeast and northwest, and areas in the midlands. for more analysis, here's our political editor laura kunessberg. this is a precarious moment for the country, and i think it's a precarious moment for the government and it's not the first time we have

had these kind of warnings from the finest in recent days. it is only just over a fortnight since the rule of six was brought in to apply because cases were going up again. it is only a week since the prime minister sat at the desk in downing street and gave a very unusual address to the whole country, again, to one that we were in a serious moment, and i think the reason we're hearing these kinds of warnings in pretty grave terms time and again is, of course, first and foremost, because there is real worry about the way the disease is spreading, but also because there is a concern about how much the public is really paying attention right now and whether or not there is an element of fatigue after six months of limits in our lives in some way, shape orform. limits in our lives in some way, shape or form. on limits in our lives in some way, shape orform. on the limits in our lives in some way, shape or form. on the other elements are all of this is also the prime minister is working in a less forgiving, more hostile political environment. he certainly has that huge majority in parliament, but as we have seen in recent days, he is

less a ble we have seen in recent days, he is less able to rely on support being comprehensive and being reliable for the things that he feels he may need to do in the coming weeks. thanks to laura for that. stay with us on outside source. still to come: protests are growing in india over the gang rape and death of a young woman, and how the police have handled the case. we'll have the latest from bbc hindi. the world health organisation is pledging to investigate allegations from dozens of women that they were sexually abused by aid workers who were sent to the democratic republic of congo to tackle the ebola outbreak there. 51 women have accused staff from the who and other aid agencies — in an investigation by the new humanitarian and the thompson reuters foundation. here's deputy africa editor, anne soy, in nairobi. i've been speaking to some people that i met when i covered the ebola outbreak in eastern drc and i am really surprised that, you know, they were telling me that they are not surprised that this has come

out, so yes, clearly, this is something that was going on, this was something that was well—known to those who were in those circles. it is shocking because it is coming just a few years the allegations, you know, the investigation in haiti about aid workers there and, you know, the meaty movement that followed, so it is really shocking that it could go on for so long and it could go on at this scale. this is outside source, live from the bbc newsroom. our lead story is... president trump says far right groups should "stand down" and let law enforcement do their work, after he was criticised for telling one right—wing group to "stand by" instead, during tuesday's presidential debate. let me update you on the fighting between azerbaijan and armenia. this is over a breakaway region called nagorno—karabakh — and this escalation

is into its fourth day. this video was released by azerbaijan's ministry of defence showing artillery strikes on wednesday. we're told nearly a hundred people have been killed since sunday. nagorno—karabakh is a landlocked region inside azerbaijan. and even though it's recognised internationally as azerbaijan's territory — it is controlled by ethnic armenians. the region declared independence in 1991 and has ruled itself since then — with the support of the armenian government. that has been a major source of tension between these two former soviet republics. they fought a war in the late 19805 and the early 19905 over it. that eventually reached a ceasefire in 1994 which gave armenia full control of nagorno— kara bakh and these surrounding enclaves you can see in darker yellow. and while there was a ceasefire — crucially no formal peace treaty was reached. so this area is still disputed.

and on sunday this happened. there was artillery fire and shelling on both sides. armenia has accused azerbaijan of beginning a military operation inside the region — azerbaijan contests this version of events. and this is an extraordinary situation. as the guardian reports "we have a situation where we have trench warfare going on in europe more than 100 years after the first world wa r". "in some areas the lines are so close they can hear and potentially talk to one another." now, azerbaijan hasn't come out and reported any military losses. but we know it has suffered casualties. this pictures are from azerbaijani today. we believe this is the funeral of an azeri soldier. who was killed in the fighting. this picture was also taken today. it's the aftermath of shelling inside an azerbaijani district neighbouring nagorno karabakh. you can see the damage for yourself. the bbc‘s gunel safa—rova is close

to the town of tartar where fighting broke out on sunday. let's hear from her. throughout the day i have heard standards artillery shells. today the azerbaijan government announced that armenian military fired artillery at the city of... and as a result seven civilians were injured. i have talked to many people. they say that they fled the city and many of them say that they were living under threat of attack for 30 years and they just want this conflict to be resolved. but this country isn't just about these two countries. turkey backs azerbaijan in this conflict. and yesterday armenia accused turkey of shooting down one of its fighter jets killing the pilot. and today it released this footage saying this is proof. it says this is the wreckage of the jet. armenia claims it was shot down by turkey in armenian airspace. turkey denies this. here's the armenian prime minister in an interview on russian state tv. "armenia and the armenians of nagorny karabakh are now exposed

to a direct threat from turkey. according to our data, turkey is looking for a pretext to intervene even more broadly in this conflict." as you'd imagine, many in the international community are worried. the un security council has called for an immediate halt in fighting and a return to negotiations. and this is french president, emmanual macron. translation: i have noted turkey's declarations, which i think are ill—considered and dangerous. and i say this, particularly with regard to armenia, france — translation: i have noted turkey's declarations, which i think are ill—considered and dangerous. and i say this, particularly with regard to armenia, france — within the minsk group in its role which presupposes the impartiality thatjustifies my prudence — remains extremely concerned about the warlike messages that turkey has sent these last few hours. we also have this from azerbaijan's president. today he said: "we have only one condition — armenian must leave our lands unconditionally, completely and immediately. " he added...

one condition, but of course a very big one that is a long way from armenia's position. here's famil ismailov, azeri journalist here at bbc news — and a news editor for bbc russian — on how entrenched the conflict is now. we have seen the position of azerbaijan and armenia close to each other after some negotiations with the minsk group but since then, a long time ago, the positions are as farapart as it long time ago, the positions are as far apart as it is possible. these are to the sworn enemies now. what i could do with some help with is wires azerbaijan pushing this issue so wires azerbaijan pushing this issue so strongly now when armenia has effectively been running this region for many years? or indeed, azerbaijan has lost the war, has lost control over this area and also seven surrounding regions. it suffered casualties as well as armenians but also, hundreds of

thousands of refugees, which had to be resettled elsewhere in azerbaijan, and this is biggest possible problem and issue for the azerbaijani public. they feel that they have been overlooked by the international community. they feel that they have been victims in this warand that they have been victims in this war and they want to return back to their homes, but there is one big problem that the two governments do not speak to each other in those terms. and i wonder, you must have been in touch with many friends, family and journalistic colleagues in azerbaijan. how they to this escalation? well, the public mood now is that there has to be war and if there is war we will have to unite with the army, with the government of azerbaijan. that probably was something that the government was counting on, because with the social problems, the falling price of oil, with reforms that are needed in the economy, the war probably is the best possible

outcome to make sure that public rallies around the leader but after that, you know, what next? also, when i am thinking about my generation, it is our children who are fighting now in the trenches. it is our children on both sides that are dying, and the blood that is spilled there is the worst possible outcome in this problem. and that is what the governments do not take into consideration. the blood that will make sure that the two nations are as farapart will make sure that the two nations are as far apart as possible for many years to come. well, we are a lwa ys many years to come. well, we are always indebted to our colleagues at bbc world service to cover a number of stories we tend outside source. we are indebted to bbc russia there and let's turn to a story we are being helped on by bbc hindi. there have been protests in india over how the authorites have responded to a gang rape and murder of a woman. the attack happened in the city of hathras in uttar pradesh two weeks ago. the victim was left paralysed with a broken spine and after two

weeks in hospital died yesterday. the protests have been triggered by what happened next. police took the victims‘ remains and cremated them in the middle of the night — despite herfamily pleading to be allowed to take her body home to pay their respects. when news of that emerged, people went onto the streets and led to these clashes with police. the victim was from the dalit community, which is an underprivileged group in indian society. four men from a higher caste have been arrested. police say they cremated the body to prevent outsiders creating a disturbace. and they say they did have permission from some family members. here's the local magistrate. translation: about four or five women laid down in front of the vehicle carrying the body. i talk to them for ten or 15 minutes and then bought the vehicle to the house. after that, with their consent only, she was cremated. her family members we re she was cremated. her family members were present there. to make this allegation absolutely wrong. the family say they were afraid of the police and went along with their orders. the context here is that india has

seen a series of attacks involving gangs of men. this story brings back thoughts of the gang rape and murder of a woman on a bus in delhi in 2012. that led to huge protests. four men were given long prison sentences because of it. this latest incident has prompted a similar upset. these women on the streets in uttar pradesh are chanting "modi government — come to your senses". activists say that crimes like this — when the suspects are from a higher caste, and the victims families are powerless — often don't get investigated properly. bbc hindi has a reporter in the town at the centre of the story. iam in iamina i am in a village in western it up a dash where an alleged gang rape of a dash where an alleged gang rape of a da girl has backed national out rage. the 20—year—old died and was cremated here last night by the police in absence of her family. the family alleges they were not even allowed to see her one last time. there is very heavy media presence in the village. police is displayed

to maintain law and order. several politicians of various parties try to visit the village but they were not allowed in. the roads heading to this village are by police. —— are blocked by police. before we go — a reminder of our top story.... last night the president's said — during the presidential debate — that the proud boys — an extreme right—wing group — should "stand back and stand by". here's what he said at the white house in the last few minutes. i don't know the bad boys are. i i mean will really have to give me a definition because i don't know who they are. i can only say that they have to stand by and that law enforcement do their work. i was denounce any form of any of that, you have to denounce. —— i don't know who the proud boys are. well, that the president claiming that he a lwa ys that the president claiming that he always denounces white supremacist and that he doesn't know who the

cowboys are. both of these things been heavily contested both because he didn't condemn white supremacists during the debate and he did refer to the proud boys name. good evening. pretty wet weather for some of the moment. but things will turn to big dryer to the night and into tomorrow. tomorrow will be much brighter day for many. not completely dry but also compared to the strong winds we have at the moment, it will be a day of later winds. it will be a day of lighter winds. the stronger winds are in the edge of this with a friend that is bringing rain through the evening, pushing its way eastwards, still rending of the first part of the night through eastern england, eastern scotland and struggles to turn dry across some parts of eastern scotland. where the rain will linger, elsewhere you can see that the blue is starting to diminish and turns drier in most with clearer skies around, particularly across northern ireland, north wales,

where we could see a touch of frost to take us into tomorrow morning. the picture for thursday morning, a lot more sunshine around with the exception being the northern half of scotland, outbreaks of rain here in have been marked out for a time, east anglia with some rain around the far eastern coast it a few showers crop up across england, something scotland a few showers crop up across england, southern scotland and northern ireland, showers and the southwest as we go into the afternoon, some of them heavy and thundery to take us into tomorrow morning. the picture for thursday morning, a lot more sunshine around the exception being the northern half of scotland, outbreaks of rain here in cloud for time, east anglia with some rain around the far eastern coast it a few showers crop up across england, southern scotland and northern ireland, showers in the southwest as we go into the afternoon, some of them heavy and thundering. many will spend the bulk dry and a little bit fresher as a result of today, temperatures in the mid teens. thursday evening, the showers push us northwards and to the south. all in the jet stream is panic across the atlantic, dipping down to the side of the uk in within that dip, area pressure will be stuck and be with us for a few days and how that

interacts with the jet stream will be showing just how wet and windy it is. it looks like we will see a lot of air pressure developing across france, storm alex, this where the greatest impact will be felt but is potential to cause some disruption across southern counties on friday and strong gale force winds, maybe 60 mile per hour gusts and pushing its way northwards, exact positioning of that rain could change a little bit further south, the winds might be a bit lighter and greater impact around the english channel further north. more than half of the country looks predominantly dry on friday with lighter winds and some sunshine. that will change as a going to the weekend but the pressure still there, spinning around like a sock in a washing machine and areas of rain and strong winds, particularly around the fringes. even if you get to friday, this potential heavy rain and strong winds this weekend. hello, this is bbc news with kasia madera. the headlines... borisjohnson says we are at a critical moment in the fight against the coronavirus, and urges people to follow rules aimed at curbing the spread.

hospital admissions up, the number of infections rising. the government's chief scientific adviser said the virus is not under control. this is headed in the wrong direction. there's no cause for complacency here at all. a brexit blow for the uk car industry. it could face trade taxes even if there is a deal with the eu. the greater manchester fire and rescue service apologises to the families of the arena attack victims for their two—hour delay in getting to the scene. i'm not going to answer the question because... why don't you answer the question? because the question is... radical left... will you shut up, man? personal attacks and feisty exchanges from the two men who want to be the next president of the united states. millions tuned into the first presidential tv debate.

hello and a warm welcome. the prime minister, borisjohnson, says they uk is at a critical moment in the fight against the coronavirus, as his advisers warn that this is not the time for complacancy. it comes on the day that the number of covid cases has once again topped 7,000 — with a further 7,108 confirmed coronavirus cases reported. in the last 2a hours. and there have been 71 deaths within 28 days of a positive covid—19 test, the same number as reported on tuesday. with millions of people living under tighter national restrictions, the prime minister warned it was too early to tell if they were having an impact on the spread of coronavirus. but he insisted that he would not hesitate to take further measures if the evidence required it. the government's chief medical officer said the virus was accelerating rapidly in some parts of the country and that the rise in cases was being led by young people.