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hello and welcome to wednesday in parliament. as mps agree emergency powers to tackle coronavirus, the speaker lays down the law to ministers. i want the government to rebuild the trust with this house and not with the contempt that it has shown. —— and not treat it with the contempt that it has shown. boris johnson dismisses claims of confusion about new rules in parts of england. i cleared that matter up as fast as i could. it is very clear that you shouldn't mix indoors either at home or in a hospitality setting and you should avoid socialising outdoors. and is this the future of immigration policy? sending asylum seekers 5000 miles from the uk to an island 1000 miles off
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the coast of africa. all that to come, and more. but first, the speaker of the commons has launched a stinging attack on the government over what he said was the "totally unsatisfactory" way it has introduced emergency measures to tackle the coronavirus pandemic. in an unusual statement to mps, sir lindsay hoyle accused ministers of treating parliament with "contempt" by pushing through new powers without debate or scrutiny. the way in which the government has exercised its powers to make secondary legislation during this crisis has been totally unsatisfactory. all too often, important statutory instruments have been published in a matter of hours before they come force, —— published in a matter of hours before they come into force, and some explanations why important measures have come into effect before they can to be laid before this house has been unconvincing and shows a total disregard for the house. i am looking to the government to remedy a situation i regard as completely unsatisfactory.
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i am now asking the government to rebuild the trust with this house and not treat it with the contempt that it has shown. the speaker's intervention came as mps prepared to debate the extension of the coronavirus act, under which many of the emergency powers have been introduced. dozens of conservative mps mounted an attempt to gain more of a say over the sweeping new curbs on people's everyday lives, although the speaker said that for technical reasons, he could not allow that vote to go ahead. but the attempt did earn a concession from the health secretary. today, i can confirm to the house that for significant national measures with effect the whole of england or uk wide, we will consult parliament wherever possible, we will hold votes before such regulations come into force. but of course, responding to the virus means that the government must act with speed when required. and we cannot hold up urgent regulations which are needed to control the virus
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and save lives. labour said that with a "heavy heart" they would not block the renewal of the act. but today, we say to the government that things cannot go on as they are. the incredible efforts of the british people have not been matched with competence and grip by the uk government. announcements about measures made overnight, no proper —— announcements about measures made overnight with no proper notice and no proper power of review. government ministers on national media with absolutely no idea of what the rules are, the public are being let down on a grand scale. but one labour mp didn't think much of the government's concession. it is not worth the paper it has not been written on. we would like to see something in writing about what this consultation will really look like. —— consultation with this house will really look like. my honourable friend is absolutely right. i think the lesson from this government is that you always need it in writing and even
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then, it isn't necessarily delivered. i've got to say, ministers, i have to say as i listen —— i've got to say, ministers, i've listened to what you have said, and i'm not convinced we will see that proper scrutiny because, if i heard you right, first of all, it would only be for matters which are significant. now, who will make the judgement as to whether the issue is significant? frankly, it is nothing more than a gentleman's agreement. this act in its current form allows clumsy and asymmetrical authoritarianism, powers to restrict mass gatherings might well have been necessary, but broad police powers under schedule 20 to detain potentially infectious people have led to unlawful prosecutions 100% of the time. but the senior conservative who acts as the shop steward for tory mps pronounced himself satisfied. i believe the outcome we have reached is in the interest of parliament, in the interest of better government, and most importantly, it gives the british people reassurance that measures which restrict their liberty interfere with their family life and very often threaten their livelihoods will not be
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implemented without important questions being asked and answers given in advance. the government cannot govern without the consent of the house of commons. i will go further than that — a slightly more party political point — which is the prime minister cannot lead his parliamentary party unless he has their consent. this deadly virus presents unparalleled challenges to all of us entrusted with governmental powers. but that is all the more reason as to why the decisions need the insight of scrutiny and the legitimacy of parliament oversight. it is not only about scrutiny allowing this house to debate and vote, it is also about giving my honourable member, the minister, the credibility to continue to do the work that he is doing. it also exposes the very difficult decisions and trade—offs he has to make when he is balancing the spread of this virus, versus all the restrictions we have to undertake, so i welcome
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the opportunity for further debates — much longer i hope — and votes too. many mps were disappointed this debate was limited to an hour and a half. by by the standing orders of the house, this debate is 90 minutes and neither the speaker know we have the choice over that. the secretary of state did say the time couldn't have been extended. yes it could. and i would've agreed to it. no longer are we still in that first flurry of panic. we know much more now than we did that. —— we know much more now than we did then. i would gently say to the business managers i wish they had to given more time for this discussion. 90 minutes? 90 minutes is an utter, utter disgrace! it is actually disrespectful to the house, and it is disrespectful to colleagues. and i am sorry, secretary of state, if i sound — actually, i'm not sorry that i'm angry, because a lot of people in this place are angry. we want to see this virus beaten, of course we do, but it would be nice — just nice — if this house was shown some respect! well, at the end of the 90
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minutes, mps voted by 330 votes to 2a to extend the coronavirus act — a majority of 306. you're watching wednesday in parliament with me, david cornock. still to come, will a minister's promise to football clubs leave fans over the moon? boris johnson has been challenged over the confusion about lockdown rules. on tuesday, the prime minister apologised after getting the new rules for parts of northeast england wrong. it's now illegal for households there to mix indoors, including in pubs, and they're advised against meeting in pub gardens, too. the confusion offered an opportunity for the labour leader sir keir starmer at prime minister's questions. mr speaker, one of the major problems with as we seen in the last 2a hours is widespread confusion about the local restrictions. and i don'tjust mean the prime minister not knowing his own rules. having sat opposite the prime minister in pmqs
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every week, that didn't come as a surprise to me. he said a conservative council leader in a locked—down area had also complained people felt forgotten and let down. mr speaker, if the prime minister doesn't understand the rules and his own council leaders are complaining about mixed messages, how does the prime minister expect the rest of the country to understand and follow the rules? i actually think that the people in this country do understand and do follow the rules and may i say is in spite of the efforts of the leader of the opposition continually to try to snipe from the sidelines, to undermine what we are trying to do. and he mentions the restrictions in the northeast. i cleared that matter up as fast as i could. it is clear you shouldn't mix indoors, either at home or at a hospitality setting and avoid socialising outdoors. and we need to apply the rules in the northeast
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because that is where it is spiking. i think people do understand why we are doing that. i think people do get it. i think people want us to defeat this virus and they want to see us doing get together! i spoke to the leader of newcastle council yesterday. he said the other big problem, apart from government messaging, is the lack of economic support being provided to local communities and the restriction. —— under restrictions. newcastle council indicate that by the end of the year, 10,000 jobs in hospitality will have been lost. many businesses are forced to stay closed. prime minister, but for these extraordinary restrictions, these are viable jobs. these businesses are doing the right thing. why has the government decided that these jobs aren't worth saving? as i said repeatedly, we're putting our arms around the whole of the uk economy and we're doing everything
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we can to save everyjob. i must say, i saw the leader of newcastle and was surprised by what he said because actually, to the best of my knowledge, they were calling for the measures that we put in. and the best way to protect our jobs and our economy is to continue to work together, to comply with the measures, to drive down the virus, to keep our children and education which is an absolute priority for this country, and to keep —— to keep our children in education which is an absolute priority for this country, and to keep the economy moving. that is what we want to do. the rules are different in the different nations of the uk. from tomorrow, 2.3 million people in wales won't be able to travel out of county without a good reason. yet, people from lockdown areas in england can still visit rural wales. travelling from two starting places could land
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you with a fine, but no problem from england to wales. i raised this with the prime minister last week. leisure travel from lockdown areas has got to stop. will he make good on this today? i am grateful to the honourable lady. there are different measures in places as we have discussed already this afternoon. but overall, the uk is proceeding with the same approach, and i'm very grateful to mark drakeford and everybody else in the welsh government for the way we are working together to defeat the virus. there will be some differences, yes, there will be some seeming illogic qualities which is inevitable when tackling a pandemic, but i am grateful for the cooperation that she is giving. on tuesday, mps backed the controversial internal market bill which besides allowing the uk to override parts of the brexit divorce deal gives westminster more say
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in some areas devolved to governments in cardiff, edinburgh and belfast. borisjohnson insisted the bill actually gives scotland more powers, but the snp weren't happy. here we go again. yapping, bumbling, mumbling, but no answer. since he can't answer a straight question, i will tell the prime minister... order! i expect the prime minister to be heard. i certainly want to hear the leader of the snp. thank you, we are very used to scottish voices being shouted in this place. —— voices being shouted down in this place. a tory government that casually and arrogantly breaks international law and breaks devolution. they have shattered any remaining trust in this broken westminster system. i think the honourable gentleman demonstrates once again that his ambition is simply to ferment grievance where no grievance should exist. all this bill does actually is devolve power back from brussels to edinburgh, and give powers back
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to edinburgh, which you should welcome. now coronavirus rules may have been the focus for mps concerned at the way the government is bringing in significant new laws with limited parliamentary scrutiny but there's also concern that the method is being used in other areas, such as relaxing the planning rules in england. there's growing concern among conservative mps about new rules that will allow developers to add two storeys to some houses and blocks of flats. a conservative former minister was worried about the way the government was designating areas for new houses. harriett baldwin said there was a lot to welcome in the government's proposals. but.... the formula that's been used to allocate the homes seems be doing the opposite. it is overshooting numbers and investment is concreting down rather than levelling up.
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so, could my right honourable friend commit that when the consultation closes tomorrow, that he will pledge to change some of the elements of this, dare i say it, algorithm? well, i am grateful to my right honourable friend. we are going to ensure that we have a planning system that is fit for purpose, that allows us to give young people for the first time in a generation, the chance of home—ownership, which currently millions and millions of people are shut out from. that's what we want to do, but we think we can do it in such a way to avoid desecrating our beautiful countryside, avoid desecrating our green belt. that is what we are going to do and i hope very much that she supports it. later, the government announced that all new homes in england delivered under the new permitted development rights scheme must meet space standards to ensure these homes
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provide "adequate natural light" — a move allaying the fears of some mps that developers would be able to create tiny flats in former office buildings. now, a proposal to build a centre to process asylum seekers on ascension island in the south atlantic has been branded "inappropriate, impractical and expensive," by a senior united nations official. the financial times reported that the government considered and rejected the idea. downing street confirms the government is examining proposals for offshore asylum processing centres, but potential locations are likely to be closer to the uk. we have seen them exploring sending asylum seekers thousands of miles from the uk to an island a thousand miles off the coast of africa, which has about 800 people population with no substantial health care system, no support system or administrative system in place.
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does that strike you as a remotely practical, responsible or ethical proposition? this is the australian model and i think we are seeing that this model has brought about incredible suffering on people who are guilty of no more than seeking asylum. it has also, additionally cost and continues to cost an incredible amount of money. so, it seems to be both extremely inappropriate in terms of the commitments that the country should have to human rights and to asylum, but also incredibly impractical and expensive way it to do it. so, i do hope the uk will not choose to go this way. you make it sound as if it is a very strange aberration. but it was considered by the eu in 2018 and i think,
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i believe, proposed in 2003 by tony blair for discussion at the european council. so, are there any other countries or states who actually have considered that model? i do not know of any that have been able to implement it. which also speaks to the fact that aside from what we want to say in terms of its impact on the people who eventually are put to the system, it is clearly not an easy one to manage and so, i think it is indicative by itself. what the european union had in mind, i understand was somewhat different from the entire off shoring. to the lords now, where opposition peers are trying to change brexit legislation to require the government to assess the impact of its immigration policies on the social care sector. social care workers have been excluded from the fast track visa scheme for nhs and care workers. the government wants care homes
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to look to the uk workforce instead and make caring for vulnerable people a more attractive career choice. this bill makes an immense change to our immigration system which will have a significant effect on our already understaffed and underresourced social care sector. at the same time, as we are going through a global pandemic. 0ur care sector has always been vital. now, it is a part of ourfront line. with the government having decided that this low—paid undervalued but skilled sector with its enormous turnover of staff and vacancies running well into six figures, is now to face on top of that, a significant source of labour being closed down injust three months' time. social care faces a potential perfect storm. shamefully, the united kingdom ranked numbertwo in the world after russia. for the number of deaths among
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health care workers. the majority of them worked in social care. some of the poorly paid and the so—called unskilled paid with their lives, many not citizens of our country. we saw on our televisions, poorly paid staff working in crowded nursing homes, many from european and other countries, living in tents in the back gardens of nursing homes so they could isolate and protect our elderly and vulnerable. also isolated from their families and friends. this bill is in front of us today because of brexit. but the social care sector is highlighted because of the covid—19 crisis. today's amendment would have been necessary if we hadn't had six months of a global pandemic, but the pandemic has
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made it clear to everyone the importance of social care but also the huge numbers of eu nationals and third country nationals in this country looking after some of the most vulnerable in our society. the minister said she recognised the problems facing social care. if i go back recognised the problems facing social care. ifi go back to 2005 when i was the new leader of the council and david cameron was the very new leader of the opposition. he asked me at that time, what the biggest challenge for local authorities and straight out i said social care in 15 years later, that is absolutely the case. but she didn't think labour's proposal was necessary. peers didn't get the chance to register their views because of a problem with the remote voting system in the house of laws known as peerhub. a peer came along to explain the situation. i apologise for the technical hitch which is the first time the voting system has let us down and i'm afraid
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is not going to be fixed today. we have talked to the clerks in the usual channel who have shown great flexibility and i think you'd be amazed at the speed of which we are ordering procedures. and pierce decided to carry on with the debate. they won't be any votes on peerhub until next monday. the sport minister, nigel huddleston, has said that support for football's national league clubs the fifth tier of the game in england will come after one of his predecessors asked him about the current funding crisis. we have to contain the virus and given the backdrop of rising infection rates, we have to press the button. i want to assure the house that we are working at speed alongside the treasury with sport governing bodies and clubs across the country to understand what support they need as a result of the decision to postpone the 1st of october return. and for football, were asking the premier league to support the fl clubs, the higher end of the football pyramid. yesterday, we also provided the national league
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with the assurance of financial support from the government will be forthcoming so they can start the season saturday. we've asked for detailed financial returns for all major spectator sports to see what support they need, we expect this returns by the end of today in any club in the immediate financial distress should alert their sports governing body. tracey crouch is undergoing treatment for breast cancer. via video link, she explained why she'd asked an urgent question. mr speaker, the question relates to all professional sport because there fires raging around the whole sector. and to be honest, it's been difficult to see precisely where support is coming from, but the urgency of the question relates to the national league starting on saturday, and therefore the reassurances are welcome, but it is disappointing that there is no specific announcement as of yet as to what the minor league will receive. i pay tribute to the
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memberfor bringing this urgent question. we miss her in this place, mr speaker and i for one miss her by my side on the football pitch playing for the parliamentary football team. she addressed the minister. he says the department is working at speed, but they should have known the situation could have arisen for months all across the summer. other colleagues who have specific questions about difference mr speaker, but all sports are united in wanting to know what is the plan? those with the broader shoulders will be expected to carry the greatest burden which means those who are possible to do so, we expect to contribute financial support for clubs lower down, particularly in football. as with the earlier theatre and cultural support package, it feels like a sticking plaster over a gaping wound. does the minister agree with me that there needs to be a short, medium and long—term plan in place? including a new target date to plan for getting crowds back, rapid testing, tax reliefs to help the sports remarketing themselves to their local communities and even guaranteeing businesses
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interruption insurances? while project restart allowed men's football to return, women's football was forgotten about, with the top tiers of the game unable to finish the seasons. can the minister assure me that if coronavirus restrictions increase, the government will provide the necessary support to women's football to allow their seasons to continue in—line with the men's game? the honourable lady shares my passion for women sport and we've had many conversations, not only of football but other sports to say that i expect and require women's sports to get the priority that it deserves and require women's sports to give priority the deserves will continue those conversations and certainly if public monies being distributed, i would expect women sport to get its fair share. has the minister thought of more innovative ways to raising finance by creating some sort of community trust where we ask the top earning
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footballers in this country, some earning 350,000 to 500,000 pounds a week, tojust donate one weeks wages to a trust which then can be distributed amongst those struggling clubs to ensure that communities still enjoy their football? well, both now and in the future, i encourage all stakeholders in sports to do the right thing and play their part. he is making some good points about voluntary donations as well as what we will be requiring and expecting from sport at various levels he is also highlighting some innovative models and business models which again, i think should be looked at very carefully indeed. the sports minister, nigel huddleston. and that's the final whistle for this wednesday in parliament. thank you for watching. i do hope you canjoin me at the same time tomorrow for the week in parliament. until then, bye for now. hello. thursday offers up the promise
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of a dryer day for the majority of the uk in comparison to wednesday. there should be some decent sunshine and the winds will be a little light as well. how are we managing that when our weather is dominated essentially by this massive area of low pressure for the coming days? one with actually seven centres — but we are getting quite close to a little hill in the isobars. that is a brief ridge of high pressure that we will sit in through thursday. it's not plain sailing though, there will still be some more persistent rain across northern and eastern scotland through the day and coming into the south—west through the afternoon, some sharper showers that will push into wales, some for northern ireland, perhaps some more generally across southern britain later on in the day. but in contrast to wednesday, lighter winds, and the rain nowhere near as widespread — temperatures 111—15 degrees. we head through thursday evening, and we will start to notice something developing to the south of the uk. the rain towards the north pulls away, it becomes quite
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quiet here, skies clear, it's a largely dry night across scotland and northern ireland, and actually chilly in some rural spots. but to the south of the uk, we've basically got a hook that's formed, and this is a deep low pressure centre that is set to spin up across brittany, ploughing its way into france — the worst of the weather think on the way to france. the french met service have given it a name, it's storm alex, and it looks like it will also affect southern britain, so hence our concern for friday, particularly through the early part of the day for heavy rain across southern counties of england pushing into south wales, and very strong winds, jersey maybe gusting up to 70 mph. even in land, though, 30—35 mph as that low centre spins away to the south of us and this weather from swings north. quite a contrast between the north and south on friday. england and wales, wet and windy. scotland and northern ireland, largely dry with some decent spells of sunshine. but for the weekend, we are still dominated by low pressure, and as such, it looks like further bands of rain will sweep around this larger low with its centre to the south. i think some wet weather for all areas through the weekend, some strong winds at times too.
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the detail on this low, somewhat complicated, so it's very hard for us to pinpoint exactly when your area will get wettest of the weather. but that trend, i'm afraid, is very clear.
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