old wounds or opened up fresh ones? sabet choudhury has been to meet two people who took a stand after the fall — for very different reasons. bristol moves to its own beat. and they feel the rhythm of their city. known to his fans as wish master, he saw the fall of colston as a defining moment. so, city of

protest, what change, if any, can come from this and will it leave bristol united or divided? come from this and will it leave bristol united or divided ?m come from this and will it leave bristol united or divided? it meant a lot because i felt like people made the decision instead of, like, listening to the politics and it was back to the basics. how do people feel. and they showed how they felt, basically so it was good. i felt proud. since that happened do you think anything has changed 7 since that happened do you think anything has changed? i would say no. nothing has changed, really. we're still in the same place and i think people are bit more aware the circumstances but ultimately nothing has changed. he has followed in his mothers footsteps. for decades she

has fought with her community and on the 7th of june has fought with her community and on the 7th ofjune she saw her son on the 7th ofjune she saw her son on the empty plinth making a speech. the 7th ofjune she saw her son on the empty plinth making a speechli felt really proud. i the empty plinth making a speech.” felt really proud. i have always been out in the community and i rememberwhen he been out in the community and i remember when he uses eight people, mum, you have been doing community work or your life, where has that got you? and to see him come along and thinking, well actually, this ain't right and i've got to do something about it. as i got older it kind of replace, why do you keep doing this and actually now the responsibility falls on me as the next generation. so it is for people like me to keep this going because they can do this forever. it seems like generation after generation has the same old battle. if we never had the bristol boycott at saint pauls carnival, we wouldn't be where we are today. conversation is plenty of but there is not enough.

i could not agree more. before the colston was not without its critics. a week later there was a cou nterprotest a week later there was a counterprotest from the all lives matter group, who said they wanted to protect the senator. and taking centre stage was a scaffolder from ha rtcliffe. centre stage was a scaffolder from hartcliffe. anger. anger made me do the things i done. it was a moment of madness, caught up in the moment. why i done it was for my own reasons, i'io why i done it was for my own reasons, no one else's. not for any protests. i was not at the protest, but some people i know was and try to defend the war memorial and they we re to defend the war memorial and they were marched off by the police because they were being shouted at, nazi some off our streets. said that is what i was mad at. that part there. we are proud of our history, how we fought in the world wars. my grandad fought. i'm proud of him and

what he did and it saddened me very much to see how his memory wasjust that way. racism and nobody wants it the same as homophobia and sexism. nobody wants that. i was painted as a racist but what did i do that was racist? i said in a plinth of my british flag and defended the war memorial. no racist words left my mouth. that's what it takes to defend a war memorial so be it. i don't like it and i still don't but i've not done nothing in any which way that is racist. so what happens when two different people who took a stand come together? did you know that she was coming down before you we nt that she was coming down before you went there? no. that is what i thought. i got a phone call from someone thought. i got a phone call from someone saying they are pulling it down, they are pulling it down. did you know about the statue before hand ? i have you know about the statue beforehand? i have always known about it. i never knew about it. i

never knew he was. i never knew coast and tower was called that of him anything. i never knew what he had done so when it was done i thought why are they throwing statues down? no one cares about a slave trader i don't. which is how things went about and it was dry to the street and terrorise. at the same time, it is like, people are upset that the statue got dragged through the city, whatever. then you've got to think, how many peoples lives has that guy ruined and how many people are still feeling the effects of that today? if it came to light that there was about to put in take the statue down i wouldn't care about it and i don't think more than 90% of the community would care about it. no one cared about it, you know, it isjust what we nt about it, you know, it isjust what went on that day. there have been petitions for years to get that statue removed. i never heard that, yeah. it is down on the sustain down but it will not change the history. all that has done is brought it to

light. you are saying there is no change but this is the perfect time and opportunity of a change to actually happen because for me, effectively, my community put up and about the children coming up, not having to experience and go through some of the stuff that i have had to go through when i was young be able to give them a better chance and opportunity to flourish. this blm thing has just become a trend in the fashion now. everyone is like, blm this. that is right. that is what i think. but not dealing with anything, do you see what i'm saying? as a white person, hear about a blm protest i think what egotists mash up now? i don't care about the all lives matter protest andl about the all lives matter protest and i don't see the sense in it. i attended just at the cenotaph in the cenotaph alone. if i offended you and yourfamilyl cenotaph alone. if i offended you and your family i have apologise. i was made to look racist.|j and your family i have apologise. i was made to look racist. ijust and your family i have apologise. i was made to look racist. i just felt

so passionate. to be honest, i don't feel any way towards you because you done what you've done. you can't ta ke done what you've done. you can't take it back. where are you going to go from here? do you know what i mean? it is not about what you've done it is about what you're going to do. you what i mean? i can understand, defend said to me, they called me barbaric and racist but i did not say one basis word, i do not do anything that was racist. i was portrayed as a racist and it does worry me. because you stood on the edward thing. i don't know because obviously, at that time, you felt like you need to be heard and you wa nted like you need to be heard and you wanted to get your point across, yeah? of course, yeah. and when the statue came down i felt like i had to get my point across.|j statue came down i felt like i had to get my point across. i climbed up there andl to get my point across. i climbed up there and i spoke. i can't condemn you. idid there and i spoke. i can't condemn you. i did not know you climbed on there as well stop so we both climbed on there? i was up there

myself. i don't feel so bad now. yeah, man. i just myself. i don't feel so bad now. yeah, man. ijust literally. iwent up yeah, man. ijust literally. iwent up there and i spoke from the heart, man, but this whole situation. i'm going to watch that speech. i'm not angry at you. i am angry at the system, do you understand? the system, do you understand? the system that we have to grow up in. the educational system that police and constabulary system. i don't know how it was for up but for me andi know how it was for up but for me and i was younger i used to get stopped and searched all the time. all the time. i did get arrested a few times but it was only for things that were my fault. i can't say i was with the stopped and searched all the time. that is just was with the stopped and searched all the time. that isjust one example. see when i used to apply forjobs, example. see when i used to apply for jobs, yeah? i example. see when i used to apply forjobs, yeah? i used to apply for jobs with my middle name because my first name... but my middle name is liam which sound more english. i would not know what that is like

obviously. yeah, i've just gotta typical english name, i reckon. even the school system, we know it didn't really work. homes are so broken in saint pauls, hartcliffe, everywhere. homes are broken, families are broken and it is hard trying to fix because the kids have got so much problems at home. sending them to school they can't concentrate. so when i went to school although learned at school about my history was that basically i were slaves or that basically there was a place called ancient egypt that they didn't even tell me was enough occur. even as as a young person you don't... occur. even as as a young person you don't. .. they occur. even as as a young person you don't... they don't give you anything to hold yourself in a regards from a young age you feel very beaten on. i've never looked at it in that way. i've never sat down and spoke asked anyone. ijust thought ijust and spoke asked anyone. ijust thought i just didn't and spoke asked anyone. ijust thought ijust didn't think.

and spoke asked anyone. ijust thought i just didn't think. just me and you sitting down and having this chat i'm sure there are things that you have learned that i have learned. more people did this don't you think that peoples it would broaden peoples horizons more? do you feel that from seeing me on the things i've done then meeting me today and you different to how you see me as well? to be totally honest, i did not even have an opinion of you that's fair enough. i didn't, because for me i know that a lot of things are always deeper than the surface, to see what i'm saying? that is true. that was just a surface level. i didn't know the ins and outs of i could not a judgment on that, do you know what i'm saying? i could not say could condemn you. i think i was a commit to what i could expect and that opened my eyes from me so i think i was a bit judgmental as to how

opened my eyes from me so i think i was a bitjudgmental as to how he was a bitjudgmental as to how he was he thought he was coming to meet a hard core racist. is there i was coming to meet the national front or something. that is what i was expecting. i said, something. that is what i was expecting. isaid, i something. that is what i was expecting. i said, i coming down. i said to my girlfriend, if they took me in the water in going to be happy. ijust me in the water in going to be happy. i just had me in the water in going to be happy. ijust had visions of being chucked in the docks. and, you know, yeah, ithink chucked in the docks. and, you know, yeah, i think maybe i was a bit ignorant to think of all that so i apologise for that and i'm glad i have met you. i really am. that was a really interesting experience and i really enjoyed it, leg, listening to his views and giving him some knowledge of my background and my views on finding common ground and just actually having a conversation because i feel like it's been an argument for so long where we actually had a civilised conversation so that shows that

people can meet and talk and find ways to, you know, understand each other better. so, yeah, man, hopefully the change will come and people follow suit. now on bbc news it's time for sportsday. here is what is coming up in a very busy programme. we have got the moves and the goals. everton put past brighton to choreograph their way to top spot. an incredible last minute when four salford sends them to wembley to face leeds rhinos in the first challenge cup final for 51 yea rs. the first challenge cup final for 51 years. and the rain might have stopped play but it could not stop him. novak djokovic is through to the quarterfinals of the french open.

welcome to the programme. all that and more coming up plus huge news from rugby but i premiership but we start with the premier league as everton continued their remarkable start to the season. the cider top of the table as they were inspired to 4-2 of the table as they were inspired to 4—2 win at home to brighton. in the premier league at the crowd still are not here. top—flight football carries on in the silence and on merseyside they may fill it ha rd est. and on merseyside they may fill it hardest. everton fans are missing their best start since the 30s. it is being led from the fund by a young striker. girls like this are why he made the england squad this week. he said his mum cried when she heard the news but his opener was

cancelled out by an england to's mistake. brighton drew level with a tap in afterjordan pickford spilled the ball. but everton now have resilience. they went back and front through a header and in midfield this club now has a superstar. rodriguez was signed from real madrid. his goals give them hope they could be at the top to stay. there are no songs in the stands but the blues are coming together. there are no songs in the stands but the blues are coming togetherlj think the blues are coming together.” think we manage well the situation of the game. composure, defensively, we had an opportunity. and so i think the performer was complete and this is the reason. while everton keep winning manchester city keep dropping points. after defeat to leicester last weekend they have

been held to a one all draw by newly promoted had looked comfortable in the opening exchanges. hitting the post before taking the lead just after 17 minutes. leeds managed to snatch a point. the city keeper having a bit of a shocker here. and gifting the record signing with this first goalfor the gifting the record signing with this first goal for the club. the first 20 minutes of the game we didn't play very well but after this i think we played a very good game. we had our chances to win the game, which they had also but i think we are very happy for the performance today and to keep the good result with the last two wins. no such problems for chelsea as a goal or set up on a debut for the club. they

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