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good morning. here are the headlines. president trump urges peple not to be scared of coronavirus — as he returns to the white house —from hospital don't let it dominate to you. don't be afraid of it. you're going to beat it. we have the best medical equipment. we have the best medicines. what do you think of his comments to not let coronavirus dominate your life? comments to not let we particuarly want to hear from you if the virus has affected you or yourfamily in any way. send me an e—mail or message me on instagram or twitter. borisjohnson says he wants every home in the uk to be powered by electricity from offshore wind farms within a decade.
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figures obtained by the bbc show british bosses were planning to make 58,000 people redundant in august, meaning nearly half a million jobs were at risk in the first five months of the coronavirus outbreak. germans have been told that a difficult time lies ahead, as the number of coronavirus cases continues to rise across the country. and comic relief is to introduce its first plastic—free, environmentally—friendly red nose. it will be ready in time for the charity's next telethon in the spring. president trump has made a theatrical return to the white house to continue his treatment for coronavirus after a three—night hospital stay. mr trump, who is still contagious, removed his mask on the balcony of the white house while posing for pictures. the president told americans he felt really good,
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and said in a tweet, "don't be afraid of covid. don't let it dominate your life." leibo diseko has more. a made—for—tv homecoming for president trump after three days in hospital. the message — trump has triumphed, as he greeted the waiting press. shortly afterwards, he posted this video on twitter. i learned so much about coronavirus. and one thing that's for certain, don't let it dominate you. don't be afraid of it. you are going to beat it. we have the best medical equipment, we have the best medicines, all developed recently. and you're going to beat it. i didn't feel so good and, two days ago, i could have left two days ago. two days ago, i felt great, like better than i have in a long time. i said just recently, better than 20 years ago. i stood out front, i led. nobody that is a leader would not do what i did. and i know there's a risk,
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there is a danger, but that's ok. the white house says they are taking every precaution to keep the president and his staff safe. they are limiting access to him and say appropriate ppe will be worn when staff are near him. and, unlike ordinary americans, he will have round—the—clock medical care. though he may not entirely be out of the woods yet, the team and i agree that all our evaluations and, most importantly, his clinical status, support the president's safe return home, where he'll be surrounded by world—class medical care. for days, his supporters gathered outside the hospital. and, for many of them, the president's illness could not have been avoided. but the number of top republicans who have tested positive since attending the same rose garden eventjust keeps growing. donald trump certainly knows how to make an entrance and an exit, and he'll be keen to get back onto the campaign trail. but there are still many unanswered questions about the status of his health and the more than a dozen members of his close
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circle that have been diagnosed with covid—i9. lebo diseko, bbc news, washington. mr trump's democratic party rivaljoe biden has been on the campaign trail in florida. speaking at a town hall event in miami, he attacked the president for downplaying the wearing of masks. these pictures are from nbc news. anybody who contracts the virus by essentially saying, masks don't matter, social distancing doesn't matter, i think is responsible for what happens to them. if these people took off their masks, and they all have them on, i notice, and suddenly got in a gaggle and starting talking to one another, well, they are taking a responsibility that in fact, they should be held responsible for, because every major scientist and doctor and immunologist has said that's a very dangerous thing to do. the particles and droplets can stay
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in the airfor a long time, longer than they thought. it can go beyond ten feet. there's all kinds of things they have learned and know, and look, i view wearing this mask, not so much protecting me, but as a patriotic responsibility. all this tough guy stuff, i'm not wearing a mask, i'm not afraid, well, be afraid for your husband, your wife, your son, your daughter, your neighbour, your co—worker. that is who you are protecting, having this mask on, and it should be viewed as a patriotic duty to protect those around you. some observers are saying there are still unanswered questions about the timeline of the president's illness. 0ur north america correspondent peter bowes has more. i think for a lot of people it does not add up. this is a president who was taken to hospital, well, he was diagnosed four days ago and he was only there for three days and presumably is still infectious and is now back at home, at the white house, heading onto the balcony, removing his mask, and then,
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it seems, not putting his mask back on even as he entered the white house. the message that that sends to the american people is what is angering so many, that it is a reckless message, irresponsible, to suggest that in some way that the bravado that goes with it is appropriate for the president at this time, when 210,000 americans have died from covid—i9 and the number of cases, those spikes in infections are occurring all around the country. the prime minister will close the conservatives‘ virtual party conference later today and outline his pledge for what he's calling a "green industrial revolution." borisjohnson wants every home in the uk to be powered by electricity from offshore wind farms within a decade. the speech comes amid criticism, including from mps inside his own party, over his administration's handling of the pandemic. 0ur political correspondent jonathan blake is at westminster for us.
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ten years, apparently, how many offshore wind turbines is that and how manyjobs will it create? welcome a lot, in short, would be the government answered that. the prime minister is not putting numbers on the exact number turbines that the government wants to create, but it is putting a number, or at least an aspiration on the amount of energy that it wants offshore wind to create in the uk, and the aim will be to create enough electricity to power every single home in the country by 2030. it is, as you say, what the government wants to be a green industrial revolution. it is a big game and an ambitious project that the prime minister will talk about later. he says the coronavirus should be a catalyst to starting all of this and he says it has the potential to support possibly hundreds of thousands ofjobs in the future. the initial numbers are much smaller, with 2000 jobs being created in the construction sector asa created in the construction sector as a result of £160 million worth of
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investment going into sites in humberand investment going into sites in humber and teesside and also elsewhere in the uk. the prime minister will be hoping that talking about this bold aim for the future we'll satisfy some of those conservative mps you mentioned, who are anxious that the prime minister needs to look past the pandemic and remind them and voters what the government plans to do after it won its landslide victory at the end of last year. but there will be questions about how it is all going to be paid for, as ever, and the man writing the cheques, the chancellor, rishi sunak, has been out and about this morning after his speech to the party conference yesterday, reaffirming that message that he had, that he will need to balance the books before too long. as to how he is going to do that, and how the government might look to raise taxes to potentially pay back some of the huge feel that it has racked up in its response to the pandemic, we got very little in the way of detail on the chancellor this morning. but it was interesting to hear him talking
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about the discussions in cabinet. he said he was responsible for the economy, making it clear, ithink, that he has been arguing, as we know, for more sectors of the economy to be allowed to open up, perhaps, and making the case against further restrictions on particular sectors. it is the hospitality sector, as we know, that has suffered more than most during this pandemic but on the issue of the 10pm curfew, which sees bars, restau ra nts, pu bs 10pm curfew, which sees bars, restaurants, pubs closing at 10pm every evening, the chancellor said he supported that. in common with many other countries around the world, this is thought to be something that can help suppress the spread of the virus. we are not an outlier in having a curfew. lots and lots of countries have done very similar things. some earlier, some later. but as a tool that we have at our disposal to try and suppress the spread of the virus, it is one that is advised across the board can make a difference and what i would say is it is better than having places closed. so the chancellor, talking in terms
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of that measure having possibly an impact on the spread of coronavirus, so impact on the spread of coronavirus, so farfrom impact on the spread of coronavirus, so far from conclusive impact on the spread of coronavirus, so farfrom conclusive in impact on the spread of coronavirus, so far from conclusive in terms of the evidence in support of that measure and there are lots of conservative mps who are sceptical about it and they will have their say ina about it and they will have their say in a vote in the house of commons tonight on the rule of six, which the government imposed a little while ago, and tomorrow night, on that specific measure of the 10pm curfew. we could see a significant number of conservative mps attempting to get it overturned. thank you very much. and politic slive will be with you at 11.15 here on the news channel — to bring you borisjohnson‘s conservative party conference speech. the health secretary says that the error that saw nearly 16,000 covid—19 cases go unreported in england "has not substantially changed" the government's assessment of the spread of the virus. it's now known that the cases, between 25 september and 2 0ctober, were left out of the uk daily figures.
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public health england says those who tested positive were informed, but their close contacts were not. the problem apparently originated with an old version of excel software, as our technology correspondent rory cellan—jones, explained the software could only cope with 11100 tests at most. when the surge happened of lots and lots of positive tests coming through, the system just could not take them and log them into that central computer. in the short—term, there is a very simple fix. they are just going to put the batches of tests into smaller batches so that the excel system can cope, but they are looking to replace what the health secretary has called a legacy system. across the software industry, people are saying, "legacy? yeah, that is very old. people don't do that any more. why on earth were you doing that?" let's talk to dr sarah pitt, she's a virologist at the university of brighton. good morning. iwant
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good morning. i want to ask you, do you think that life have been put at risk by this land as the shadow health secretary claims with yellow well, potentially, because what we have seen is that there were 16,000 people that tested positive. those people that tested positive. those people will have been told but the contact tracing did not happen. and you know the people that you —— if you know the people that you —— if you test positive and you know the people you have been in contact with are your best friends and family, you can contact them but one of the reasons you have the app on your phone is if you are in close contact with somebody in a restaurant or somewhere else. the idea is that it would pick it up. so if you have beenin would pick it up. so if you have been in contact with people that you don't know their contact details, those people would not have known. we also know that the early days of the infection, before you actually
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come out with symptoms, if you are going to get symptomatic, there are maybe two or three days before the symptoms develop where you were actually infectious, and you are probably very infectious at that point. there will be people who did not know they had been in contact with a known positive case who thought they would have been fine he went around doing their... but they we re went around doing their... but they were infectious. that reinforces why were infectious. that reinforces why we have to wear a mask and keep social distancing because any one of those people, you know, anyone of us could have been any one of those people but potentially, yes. could have been any one of those people but potentially, yesm could have been any one of those people but potentially, yes. it is reported that about half of the 16,000 mist cases are thought to have been in the north west of england where the added cases saw manchester's infection rates doubled to more than 500 cases per 100,000. i'm sure many people know butjust to repeat, when it is 20 per
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100,000, then this government puts in quarantine for people coming from countries who have that rate. the north of england is the worst hit parts of the country. the fact these cases were missed, how much pressure does it put on that part of the country? i think what it shows is, asi country? i think what it shows is, as i have said all along, the people in all the bits of the system, so, my colleagues who are biomedical scientists working in laboratories, they are working their socks off, they are working their socks off, the people who are doing the contact tracing locally are working their socks off, even the data handlers in php are working their socks off but the bits of the system are not working together. —— in ppe. it also illustrates how local, people working in the local area, the public health professionals and
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indeed, the local, elected politicians, should be able to respond to what is happening in a local area because they are the ones that know what is happening. that is interesting that you say local leaders should perhaps take more of a role in this and you say that the bits are not working effectively enough together. can i ask for your opinion on this? i wonder if you have considered that the difficulties we have seen with test and trace are in any way compounded by the decision to outsource various functions to the private sector rather than making use of the expertise of local authorities and public health england? well, it is very difficult to comment on that without knowing everything that is happening in the private laboratories. but my professional body, the institute of biomedical science, and other professional groups have the well, have been trying to find out what is going on in the laboratories and we have offered our help. it does seem that
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there are things which... that people who do this all day for a living and have done it for, you know, 20 or 30 years, some of the things which happened could have been predicted and we could have, we wouldn't have... you know, it is almost like, we wouldn't have done it that way, but we are where we are and we could help sorting it out now but i do think this might be time to have local involvement and expertise of the people who are already doing thisjob and of the people who are already doing this job and have done this job... you know, we have a very effective public health contact tracing system. all it needed was a little bit more resources to do the same thing they always do more effectively and the same with the nhs diagnostic laboratories, my collea g u es nhs diagnostic laboratories, my colleagues who work in the diagnostic virology laboratories, we know how to do this. we just needed a bit more resource. so this might be the time to kind of try to marry
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all of the bits of the system that we have got at the moment they are a bit piecemeal, trying to find a way of marrying it altogether so we can all work together more effectively and we can all support each other. those big laboratories have worked out to do lots of tests in a short amount of time, you know, in a very fast, industrial operation, which, in the hospital laboratories, of course, we are notjust testing for covid but other viruses and things. the two things could go together. thank you forjoining us. there could be a "tsunami" of cancelled operations this winter as a result of a second wave of coronavirus, according to a number of leading surgeons. a survey of 1,000 of them suggests that many have no faith in ministers‘ plan to get surgery back up to 90% of pre—pandemic levels by the end of this month. the nhs says goals for the end of august have been met. the headlines on bbc news... president trump urges people not to be scared of coronavirus
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of coronavirus as he returns to the white house from hospital. borisjohnson says he wants every home in the uk to be powered by electricity from offshore wind farms within a decade. and figures show nearly half a million jobs were at risk in the first five months of the coronavirus outbreak. ireland is re—introducing stricter nationwide restrictions after a surge in infections. from midnight tonight, people will be asked to stay in their county of residence and organised indoor events will be cancelled. restaurants and pubs will be barred from serving customers indoors, employees encouraged to attend workplaces "only if absolutely necessary" and religious services will be moved online. germans have been told that a difficult time lies ahead as the number of covid cases continues to rise across the country. new daily infections are regularly over 2,000, but scientists and politicians are hopeful that minor restrictions already in place will keep infections under control.
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0ur berlin correspondent jenny hill reports. for germany, the show is going on — just. its performers mastering the art of improvisation. doing what they can, where they can, while they can. there is always a risk. i think, though, and this is important to say, that culture means something. the situation of complete lockdown also means that bach and handel and shakespeare and goethe and beethoven are just not saying what they have to say. europe's leaders immersed in the second wave. angela merkel, ever cautious, admits she's worried. german case numbers are rising, although they are still significantly lower than those of france, spain, britain. there is seriously a strong chance that things might
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get out of control. i think it is really down to how effectively the public health institutions can track cases and stamp out cases. so far, they've been doing a pretty good job. in a country traditionally obsessed with fresh air, there is a renewed respect for ventilation. the government now advises, and funds, organisations to install airing systems like those produced here. the firm expects a busy autumn, because, since the pandemic began, they've also developed this, an air purifier designed to filter out aerosols from classrooms. to get a corona infection, it is not only that you have one aerosol, but you need to have a certain concentration of aerosols to be infected. if we can at least reduce the risk of being infected significantly — for everyone in the classroom — then it's great.
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there is no 100% certainty. as the season changes, new concerns arise. life, after all, is about to move back indoors. in towns and cities across this country, officials are trying to work out how to keep infections under control. there's lots of debate. should masks be worn in outdoor spaces? should alcohol sales be banned at night? but all agree on this — germany simply cannot afford a second lockdown. restricted, determined, but it could be a long winter. jenny hill, bbc news, bavaria. the bbc has learnt that a controversial company providing consultations and prescriptions online for transgender young people has been mentioned hundreds of times on a website hosted by the charity mermaids. the closed group for parents
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is meant to be moderated, but those using it were not warned the service provided by the company, gender gp, could not be regulated in the uk. dr faye kirkland is a journalist and a working gp and has been investigating. what have you chat great for pa rents, what have you chat great for parents, based on the mermaids website which is a charity in the uk for young transgender website which is a charity in the uk for young tra nsgender people website which is a charity in the uk for young transgender people in the family. there are more than 2000 pa rents family. there are more than 2000 parents on the group and it is meant to be moderated so there are warnings that parents could be barred from the site if they are not meeting the standards, but the bbc are told that this private company has been mentioned more than 500 time since the start of the on the website, called gender gp. what concerns are there over the website? it was founded by a doctor who is now suspended from working as a doctor in the uk. she has a
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conviction for providing care through this website from wales in 2018 without registering it with the ca re 2018 without registering it with the care regulator. her husband also provided care from the site and he also has a suspension by the doctors regulator for also has a suspension by the doctors regulatorfor his care also has a suspension by the doctors regulator for his care of young transgender patients. he has previously said that the patients and their families were happy with the care. since then, the company has been bought by a company in hong kong and employs doctors outside the uk which means that the service, the care, cannot be regulated in the uk. but the company itself that owns gender gp says it is operating legally. what were parents saying to each other on the site? on the site, pa rents a re each other on the site? on the site, parents are trying to be supportive, often talking about really long waits for nhs care and talking about their children's mental health and often that children are very keen to stop medication, so we are talking about things like puberty blockers to stop the onset of puberty and also hormone medication. this website, gender gp, has been mentioned hundreds of times in the
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last six months, parents are saying to each other, where can i get private care for my child? gender gp is mentioned and the parents then ask if it is a reptile site, and other satyrs. parents say they sometimes feel rushed into medication through the site and they sometimes get medications prescribed for things like injections and take it to the gp, who refuses to give it and they are supporting each other or recommending how to give each other the medications at home. i should say, gender gp says it works to all international standards for transgender care. it is not the first time there has been concerns about mermaids and gender gp's relationship. that is right, mermaids is funded by the national lottery partly and last year there was a review into the link between the two because on the mermaids website, they used to be a link directly to gender gp which has been removed because the national lottery said it could cause negative attention for the charity or a misunderstanding so it has been taken down. all of these posts are
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private. what have mermaids said? the chair of the board of trustees has said they are now doing a full internal investigation. they are looking at their moderation processes . looking at their moderation processes. they have employed new star. but it was important that people had the space to be able to talk about these things in a nuanced way but they are making it very clear now that they only support nhs pathways. thank you forjoining us. more now on president trump who's returned to the white house to continue his treatment for coronavirus there after a three—night hospital stay. mr trump, who is still contagious, removed his mask on the balcony of the white house, while posing for pictures and has faced critisism for that. there are also questions about the timeline of his illness. let's talk to dr matt morgan, an intensive care unit consultant. good morning. from the drugs we have been told president trump has been treated with, what have you learned about how serious his illness is?
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well, many of the drugs he has been given, especially dexamethasone, one of the main ones, a steroid drug, is one that has good evidence behind it but only for those patients who are receiving oxygen or for patients who are critically ill. certainly in the uk, if people are in hospital, on oxygen or, where i work in the intensive care unit, they will be given those drugs but what we don't know is whether that drug is helpful in people who are less ill. and does it change your mood? dexamethasone isa drug it change your mood? dexamethasone is a drug that has been around since the 1950s. is a drug that has been around since the 19505. it is a drug that has been around since the 1950s. it was discovered by an american scientist, the same person who discovered steroids discovered napalm which president trump might be interested in knowing and it has a range of side effects, some which are common and some which are less common. mood disturbance is one of those as well as increased appetite, your blood sugar can change and it can also give you some stomach
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problems like ulcers, for example. what about antibodies? how will they help him? well, he has allegedly been given some drugs, and i am not president trump's doctor, which i am pleased to say but in the public domain, this new antibody cocktail has been discussed, which is a mixture of man—made antibodies against the covert virus. that has not got strong evidence behind it but there is a group in the uk who run the recovery study on dexamethasone, a group from the university of oxford, who are now including that drug in one of the biggest covid trials in the world, thatis biggest covid trials in the world, that is running in over 170 sites in the uk. we will know more about that drug hopefully when the study is completed. the fact that he was given oxygen twice, we are told, what does that tell you about the seriousness of his illness? well, we forget that oxygen is also a drug,
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discovered byjoseph forget that oxygen is also a drug, discovered by joseph priestley forget that oxygen is also a drug, discovered byjoseph priestley back in the late 1700s, an english chemist. so president trump has asked to thank for that. but that is probably the most powerful drug use in hospital. we know that the most common effects of covid when people are are on the lungs and they often need oxygen. —— when people are ill are on the lugs. it is in that category where we would think about using drugs like dexamethasone and another drug he has had, remdesivir. when he was tweeting that he felt really good, and don't be afraid of covid, what did you think as an intensive care consultant? fear is never a good way to go in the world. we have to have hope. that is why i go to work in intensive care and thatis go to work in intensive care and that is why there are 200 nursing staff, cleaners and cooks go to hospital, to give people hope even when they are critically ill and fear is not a helpful emotion for that but there are other emotions which are helpful, such as responsibility. what we know is the
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best way to get over this virus is not with expensive drugs, is not by ha rd not with expensive drugs, is not by hard work in intensive care, it is with simple things, by not getting it in the first place. that is not just for individuals, that is for the people around them. so washing your hands, keeping your social distance, wearing a mask. they are incredibly simple, cheap and effective things to do which are far better than any drugs. and he is of course at the centre of a covid outbreak in the white house and he has returned there and is still infectious. what should he be doing in terms of isolating? well, i am not a public health doctor. my expertise is when people are critically ill but what we do know is that this is an incredible infectious virus, especially indoors. the key messages that we all know we hear repeatedly, and they are true and they work and they help, to isolate yourself from others when you are infectious or you have symptoms, wash your hands
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and weara you have symptoms, wash your hands and wear a mask indoors. those are incredibly simple, cheap, powerful interventions which work and which, really im porta ntly, interventions which work and which, really importantly, are there to help other people is well as yourself. thank you forjoining us. we really appreciate your time this morning when you are so busy. dr matt morgan, an intensive care unit consultant, talking to us from cardiff. how sensible was he? now it's time for a look at the weather with carol hello! today, once again we are looking at scattered showers, possibly with thunder and hail in them, cloudy mini, there will be some sunshine, the best across northern scotland and eastern areas. the wind also featured today, gusty winds across the coast of wales, devon and cornwall, the channel islands, gusts with exposure up to 50 miles an hour, top temperatures 15 or 16. this evening and overnight we hang onto a lot of showers coming
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ona we hang onto a lot of showers coming on a north—westerly flow, dry weather, the clouds thickening across the isles of scilly and it's not going to be a particularly cold night. we start with showers tomorrow on the north—westerly across northern and western scotland, getting into north—west england, north wales. a lot of dry weather, some sunshine in northern ireland, much of england, away from the south—west, south—west wales, the south—west, south—west wales, the channel islands, thicker cloudier, some of us seeing light rain. hello, this is bbc news with victoria derbyshire. the headlines... president trump urges people not to be scared of coronavirus — as he returns to the white house
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from hospital don't let it dominate you. don't be afraid of it. you're going to beat it. we have the best medical equipment. we have the best medicines. borisjohnson says he wants every home in the uk to be powered by electricity from offshore wind farms within a decade. figures obtained by the bbc show british bosses were planning to make 58,000 people redundant in august — meaning nearly half a millionjobs were at risk in the first five months of the coronavirus outbreak germans have been told that a difficult time lies ahead — as the number of coronavirus cases continues to rise across the country. and comic relief is to introduce its first plastic—free, environmentally—friendly red nose. it will be ready in time for the charity's next telethon in the spring. sport and for a full round up, from the bbc sport centre, here's katherine.
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good morning. victoria, good morning. manchester united were the busiest club on the final day of the european transfer window. their biggest signing is edinson cavani, the uruguay striker, who's been a free agent since leaving paris saint germain in the summer. micah richards played against him when he was in the italian league and he says it's a great move for united. he will be a massive player for man united. i played against him not even before he was at napoli. wow, what a player he is! and if he can produce anything like he did back then, what a signing for united! and they're getting him for free. why not? united also strengthened that defence that let in six goals against tottenham on sunday. brazilian left—back alex telles joins from porto. arsenal hit their target, signing thomas partey from atletico madrid in the most expensive deal of the day — they've paid a £45—million release clause.
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and there he is. one notable loan move to tell you about — theo walcott is back at southampton, where he began his career almost 15 years ago. here he is, at the bottom of screen, at the age of 16, scoring his first goal in the fa cup. he's rejoined the club on loan from everton. england manager gareth southgate has been given another headache by players breaking covid—19 rules. tammy abraham, ben chilwell and jadon sancho have been told that they can'tjoin up with the squad yet, after they attended a suprise birthday party thrown for abraham, with around 20 people present. it's unlikely they can be tested for coronavirus and cleared in time to make the game against wales at wembley on thursday. the laws of women's rugby union will be adapted to allow the premier 15s league to start this weekend. the changes mean players won't be tested for coronavirus but they will have to adhere to strict guidelines, including temperature checks and hygiene protocols. teams will play 35—minute halves
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and there will be fewer scrums. reserve weekends have been built into the fixture list to allow for matches to be rearranged in case of an outbreak. novak djokovic said it was "very awkward", after he accidentally hit a line judge in the face with a ball at the french open. remember he was disqualified from the us open last month when a ball he swatted away in frustration struck a linejudge. this was beyond his control, though — the ball flew off his racquet as he tried to return serve against karen khachanov. he made it through to the quarter—finals in straight sets. my gosh, it was, very awkward deja vu. i saw it, a little bit of a bruise, like, redness on that place britain's geraint thomas is out of contention
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for the giro d'italia, afterjust three of its 21 stages. and it was a water bottle that ended his chances. this footage shows the bottle rolling across the road before the racing had even begun. thomas caught it under his wheel and crashed. you can see the damage to hisjersey here. he was in third place but he lost more than 12 minutes on the way to mount etna. portugal'sjoao almeida leads. really unlucky for geraint thomas before the racing had even started. that's all the sport for now. a new bill is being presented in parliament today which could close the loophole which allows under—18s to get married in england and wales. 16—and—17—year—olds are allowed to marry with parental consent — but campaigners argue the law leaves children vulnerable to exploitation and coercion in some communities. it comes as charities warn that coronavirus lockdowns are exacerbating the hidden problem of child marriage in the uk, after new data revealed that referrals from professionals plummeted during lockdown.
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payzee mahmod was married at the age of 16 to a man almost twice her age — she now campaigns for the iranian & kurdish womens rights 0rganisation, which supports girls and women affected by underage marriage. and i'm alsojoined by pauline latham, the conservative mp for mid derbyshire who will be presenting the 10—minute rule bill calling for the removal of a loophole that allows 16/17—year—olds to marry in england & wales with parental consent how did you come to be married at 16? it was something that my father spoke to me about and before i knew it, i was coerced into a marriage with someone that i did not even know. you had no choice? exactly. as a child, this is something we need to remember. this is something a child can't make a decision about,
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informed decision, i was 16 years old and thinking about my education, i had my whole life ahead of me in this position i was put into, a decision i had no say in, it was basically forced on me. and if you had been given a choice you would have said, no, thank you? at 16, one child wants to be married and takes on the responsibility that comes with marriage? no child. i understand after your wedding, when you were alone with your new husband, you claimed he became violent towards you. you lock yourself in the bathroom, you called yourself in the bathroom, you called your parents. what was the conversation you had with them? u nfortu nately conversation you had with them? unfortunately they weren't very helpful in getting me out of the situation, it was a matter of i was married now and i would have to deal with the position i was in, the new situation i was thrown into by force. can i ask it to teachers ask about your marriage and your welfare
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or whether you were looking forward to your wedding? did or whether you were looking forward to yourwedding? did neighbours, people in the bridal shop? no one did and! people in the bridal shop? no one did and i think one of the things, looking back, i feel so did and i think one of the things, looking back, ifeel so neglected by eve ryo ne looking back, ifeel so neglected by everyone around me, by every single agency, every adult that came across me. no one saw anything wrong with this picture of a 16—year—old child that would be married to an older man. one day i was just that would be married to an older man. one day i wasjust a that would be married to an older man. one day i was just a normal child going to school and thinking about college, the next day i was married to a stranger. and i do hold all those people accountable. i think it's a great shame nobody said anything because at any point, once, even just anything because at any point, once, evenjust one person having said, are you 0k? is this what you want? i would have been able to say this is not what i want and i would have been able to get out of the position i was been able to get out of the position iwas in. been able to get out of the position i was in. that is astonishing, not one adult said, are you 0k i was in. that is astonishing, not one adult said, are you ok with this, is this safe? yes. that is the issue. it shouldn't be happening.
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why do you think no adult said that, what is going on there?|j why do you think no adult said that, what is going on there? i think there's a few factors that come into it. first and foremost, i believe some people plate the bystander and would have thought, we might offend if we say anything and i also think people don't really see the issue. i mean, it's literally, in plain sight in front of them but people are just not seeing the issue and it worries me that millions of girls could be living this way and people are just missing what's going on, agencies arejust missing it missing what's going on, agencies are just missing it because they don't realise this falls under child abuse. your sister, our viewers may not know, your sister is banaz mahmod, forced to marry at 17, allegedly abusive marriage, she got out of that, she was later killed by her father, your father, out of that, she was later killed by herfather, yourfather, because he believed she had brought shame on the family. if she had not been forced to marry as a teenager, could
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come she still be alive today?” strongly believe that, victoria. i believe my sister ‘s story may have had a very different ending, all of this started with her being in a child marriage, she did not choose, forced to face abuse and when she left the marriage, this is when her life turned upside down and she became the victim of a tragic honour killing so i do strongly believe she may have still been with us today if this had not have happened. let me bring in pauline, if i may. in 1929 the law came in in britain that you could get married at 16 with the permission of your parents so why is not the right time to change this, in your view? to say people going through this, hundreds of thousands who go through that sort of experience now. in this country. to me, that is absolutely shocking.
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nobody seems to care. it is a form of child abuse. i think the outdated laws, 1929, it's so outdated it has to be changed. we have to persuade the government to back my bill to change it now. but, forced marriage is illegal in this country and has been since 2014. yes but how many children of 16 will admit that they are being forced? they are being coerced. they are being forced into marriage but they are not going to go against their parents, it's frightening for them. they don't wa nt frightening for them. they don't want to do that sol frightening for them. they don't want to do that so i feel if we make it illegal and a crime to marry someone at 16, that. an awful lot of it, it won't stop it all but it. an awful lot of it and children will then, by 18 cannot be much more grown up, then, by 18 cannot be much more grown up, much more likely to stand up grown up, much more likely to stand up to their parents and say, i don't wa nt up to their parents and say, i don't want to get married, i want an education. if they don't have that education, they are never going to be economically active or with
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difficulty, anyway. there are astonishing stories you hear all the time about this happening. it isn't many people in this country that are registered at being married under 16 but it is happening and it is happening in this country as well as people being taken abroad to be married and then brought back when they are 16 and then parents say, we agreed to it and the children have no rights whatsoever. it's only the parents who say that. the children cannot stop it. sol parents who say that. the children cannot stop it. so i think we've got to act and act quickly. let me ask you, if it was illegal in this country, if the lot was different, would it have been any different, had you been 18 or which your father had you been 18 or which your father had said i want you to marry this man? well! had said i want you to marry this man? well i think it would have been 18, as an 18—year—old you are more likely to understand the level of force that is happening. i think of asa force that is happening. i think of as a child, what we need to remember
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is the position you are put against your parents, that responsibility is placed on you to first recognise the force but then to also speak against it and like you say, from personal experience, i did not have the strength, the courage to speak against my parents. i did not even know how to do that, to go against this decision. putting the edge as it should be, at 18, has the forced marriage unit in place which allows adults to speak up against this. and not put children in a position to have to really take themselves out of the situation. as adults we are responsible for the welfare of children, we cannot be putting that responsibility on children to have to do that for themselves. pauline, do you know how many people this is happening to, how many 16 or 17—year—olds are coerced into marriage? no, because it is hidden and it is very difficult to find out. we know there's not many children getting married at that age but there is a lot of times where
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it's unofficial, not registered. that is a problem. really, if you cannot say yourself that you want to get married, you are not an adult, you are a child and if the parents say that, you have got to stop them. do you describe it as abuse? yes. it is sex abuse of a child. you need government backing for this to progress. have you got that?” government backing for this to progress. have you got that? i am going to see borisjohnson progress. have you got that? i am going to see boris johnson fairly soon and he wants everyone in the world to have 12 years of quality education, they are not going to get that if they are married at 16, they will not have that opportunity and we aren't even abiding by the conventions we signed, going into the rest of the world saying stop child marriage and then turning back and saying why should we? we cannot defend it, it is illegal. and we need to stand up and be counted.
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thank you both very much, we really appreciate your time and we will follow this. the headlines on bbc news... president trump urges people not to be scared of coronavirus — as he returns to the white house —from hospital borisjohnson says he wants every home in the uk to be powered by electricity from offshore wind farms within a decade. and figures show nearly half a million jobs were at risk in the first five months of the coronavirus outbreak let's get more on that story. figures obtained with a bbc freedom of information request show that british employers were planning to make nearly 60,000 people redundant in august. our business presenter ben thompson joins me tell us more. victoria, good morning. pretty stark figures about the scale ofjob losses as the result of coronavirus. 500,000, as
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you said, potentially lost in the first five months of this crisis. simple maths suggest 100,000 every month and this is based on what's known as the hr one advanced notice of redundancy form which basically means ifan of redundancy form which basically means if an employer is intending to lay off more than 20 staff in their organisation they have to let the insolvency service, part of the government, know that they are intending to do that and that has huge repercussions in terms of knowing these redundancies are happening. we get advanced notice of it much earlier than the official figures from the office for national statistics would tell us. so far, as we said, 500,000 almost in the first five months. last month, august, it was far lower than the redundancy planned perhaps in june was far lower than the redundancy planned perhaps injune and july. but nonetheless, it suggests as we approach the end of the furlough scheme that is due to run out at the end of october, employers are considering what they do with their staff and whether they can afford to keep them on the books and it could
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be that firms are now looking up at that new job be that firms are now looking up at that newjob support scheme means, how much it could cost them and therefore, whether they are unable to keep them on the books and they might be planning those redundancies now. we know there are certain sectors that have been hit pretty ha rd sectors that have been hit pretty hard on this, we know retailfor example, hospitality, still struggling to get back to any sort of normality. the big swathe ofjob losses are likely to come in those sectors. we've seen that already, some big retailers laying off staff, some big retailers laying off staff, some big retailers laying off staff, some big hospitality firms closing their doors. cineworld making five and a half thousand jobs at risk but we must remember in these figures, it's very easy to talk about big, headline figures like this but 100,000 jobs a month lost during this pandemic. that's100,000 livelihoods, 100,000 incomes and therefore causes huge problems further down the line. there are two caveats on all of this we have to be
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aware of. one, whilst employers have to notify the government that there are intending to lay off they may not actually lay off all. so the figures are not respect could be a little lower but at the same time, if you are an employer intending to lay off fewer than 20 staff, you don't have to tell the government. and so, but we often find, those two cancel each other out and the figures end up being very accurate. soa figures end up being very accurate. so a pretty stark assessment of the jobs market right now, many people potentially going to lose theirjobs and as we discussed at length, very difficult for people to find new work right now, given the impact that coronavirus has had on the jobs market. the unemployment rate currently at 4.1%, all estimates are it could rise to as close as 9% by the end of the year. before things start to get a bit better. cheers, ben. thank you. these figures just in from the 0ns. they tell us about the number of deaths registered in the number of deaths registered in the uk, the week of the 25th of
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september. there were nearly 11,000 registered deaths in the uk in that week. according to our head of statistics here at the bbc that is within the range of deaths expected at this time of year. it's about one and a half percent above the five year average. 234 of those deaths involved covid—19, up by 76 on the previous week. we will have more on that with robert, our head of statistics after 10am. one of the greatest rock bands of all time — led zeppelin — have won a long—running legal battle over claims it stole the opening guitar riff from its 1971 song "stairway to heaven." the band — one of the best—selling rock acts of all time — was handed victory after the us supreme court declined to take up the case. paul hawkins reports its opening guitar riff is iconic.
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music plays. stairway to heaven, by rock legends led zeppelin. this is jimmy page, who created the band, speaking to the bbc in 2014 about the song. the idea of stairway was to have a piece of music, a composition, whereby it would just keep unfolding into more layers. his lawyers have been in american courts for six years, arguing he was not a fraud. the claim was that stairway to heaven ripped off another song, taurus, by a band called spirit. music plays. the claim was logged by the estate of the band's late front man, randy wolfe. lawyers argued that led zeppelin became famously with the spirit song after the bands played on the same night at a club
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in birmingham in1970, a year before stairway to heaven was released. bothjimmy page and lead singer robert plant argued they had never heard of the song until ten years ago. but a jury did not believe them. instead, they believed evidence from musicologists. they said the descending musical pattern in both songs was a common musical device, for example, you can hear it in chim chim cheree from mary poppins. # chim, chiminy, chim chiminy, chim chim, cheree #. at the heart of the debate was whether this was blatant copying or the natural evolution of music which borrows from other genres, as page himself admits. it started with. .. quite a fragile, exposed acoustic guitar, playing in sort of the style of a poor man's barre by bach. in march, a federal court ruled in favour of led zeppelin, but wolfe's estate appealed. now the supreme court has said it won't hear the appeal
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so the originaljudgment is final, not that the lawyer for wolfe's estate is backing down, claiming instead in a statement that led zeppelin won on a technicality. it means both page and plant are spared millions of dollars in compensation but that has not stopped rock fans continuing the debate. paul hawkins, bbc news. kremlin critic and russian opposition leader, alexei navalny, has given a long youtube interview to a russian journalist. it's his first video appearance since he was discharged from a berlin hospital. he believes he was poisoned with novichok by russian intelligence services on president putin's orders. damien mcguinness is in berlin for us — what has alexi navalny been saying?
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good morning. good morning. some forthright accusations, as you say. he accuses vladimir putin of ordering the poisoning. he says russian secret services carried out the poisoning, that is according to alexei navalny. he says the problem russia has is that upcoming parliamentary elections next year and civil unrest in belarus means vladimir put in ‘s government feels under threat and he says that's why he's been targeted. the kremlin has rebutted these accusations saying such accusations are unacceptable, causing a scandal, they have accused alexei navalny of working with the cia so there's quite a row going on between two. mr navalny is still here in berlin, doctors say he has made a remarkable recovery, that's recording —— according to this latest interview with mr navalny, it seems he's doing really well,
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spotted walking around berlin with his family, doing a tour of the city. he says his health is improving remarkably and that he does have a little bit of shaking still but a partner, very few symptoms so he's well on the road to recovery. he now wants to go back to russia at some point, he says it's important for him to carry on the fight but of course, the fact that the kremlin have now accused him of working for the cia means that's not a fight that's going to be easy for him. no signs so far mr navalny is giving up his to mr putin but no sign of the kremlin is giving up their accusations that mr navalny is trying to undermine the russian state. thank you very much. thank you for your messages, you are reacting to donald trump saying do not lead coronavirus dominate your life, don't be afraid of it. this is from cheryl, who is an american living in the uk. donald trump as being irresponsible but to blast it is totally disgusting. the uk
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government in its irresponsibility over covid—19 is no different, the most appalling decision by this government is how care homes were dealt with in sending covid—19 patients back to care homes when we all knew and were told its patients back to care homes when we all knew and were told it's mostly the elderly who are affected by covid—19. emma in west sussex says hello, trump has access to all and any treatments. he is lucky, if he's only suffered a short, mild illness but this is not the case for everyone. my husband and i have suffered with long covid and we would not wish it on anyone. we still had the teak —— chest tightness, we were fed, no underlying conditions, in our 40s but we are very afraid of getting it again. rob says i agree with trump, simple washing and distance advice as he did we need to get out and get on with life. as a 70—year—old i have never missed a day outdoors and i get out to work and exercise but too many are far too timid. we only have one life so don't waste it. there is a plea here from one
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mother, mother of a paramedic who says please can there be a review of the 10pm curfew. my daughter as a paramedic, after speaking to her she said it's like a street party once eve ryo ne leaves said it's like a street party once everyone leaves the pub at ten. she is not protected. paramedics are not protected and i worry about her so i'm sure other partners and parents worry as well. thank you for this. get in touch, you are very welcome. i'm on twitter, and instagram. here is carol kirkwood with the weather. hello, once again we are looking at some scattered showers, some of those heavy possibly with some thunder and hail and it will be fairly cloudy in between but there will be some sunshine. the best of which across northern scotland and eastern areas. the wind is also a feature today, gusty winds around the coast of wales, devon and cornwall, the english channel and channel islands, gusts with exposure up channel islands, gusts with exposure up to 50 miles an hour. top
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temperatures 15 or 16. this evening and overnight we hang on to a lot of the showers coming in on the north—westerly, dry weather, then we see the clouds thicken across the isles of scilly and it's not going to bea isles of scilly and it's not going to be a particularly cold night. tomorrow we start with showers coming on the north—westerly across north—western scotland, sun getting into north—west england, north wales, a lot of dry weather, some sunshine in northern ireland and much of england, away from the south—west, south—west wales, the channel islands, bigger cloud, some of us seeing some light rain.
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