this is bbc news with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. i'm david eades. the vice—presidential you say it is awkward but they candidates take centre stage — mike pence and his democratic have to say mike pence's head challenger kamala harris clash over the coronavirus didn't move and he was pretty crisis in their one televised debate together. unflappable through the whole debate, he stayed pretty calm and if anything you could argue that maybe it made mike pence look quite good because he was quite unflappable during the debate, so not really a potentially awkward moment for him but it's interesting that we, the media, pick up on karen pence not wearing a faith mask if the vaccine emerges during at the end but people are the trump administration, i think it is unconscionable, and talking about a fly on twitter, senator, just ask you, stop playing politics with people's so... talking about a fly on twitter, lives. so... and a fly that has its there were also clear divisions own persona now. well, indeed. between them over china, climate change, racial there are already over 100 accou nts there are already over 100 accounts on twitter that have

justice — and the economy. been set up by that fly, mike america, you just heard senator harris tell you, on day one, pence's hair fly, the been set up by that fly, mike pence's hairfly, the hero of joe biden is going to raise the american people, various your taxes. joe biden will not people making quips like no flies on mike pence. i suppose raise taxes on anyone who makes less tha n this is the moment for social raise taxes on anyone who makes less than $400,000 a year, he has been very clear about that. media to gobble it up and do the debate was far more what they will with it, but is orderly than the clash between president trump it possible to say at this stage, in comparison with the and joe biden just over a week ago — but will it influence amount of interest and cover we saw our week ago, the trump— the undecided voters? biden fiasco, gives us a sense as to where we should put this in terms of importance. it seems like more people have hello and welcome. been talking about this presidential debate more than those previously, during the well, american politicians can two hours there was also be civilised to one another! mike pence and kamala harris did their best to make ironically the masked singer the vice—presidential was trending, there was also debate a calm affair, after the previous, rancorous performance of donald trump and joe biden. talking about some wrestling that was going on, so it wasn't all the american people were watching but certainly a lot

more were watching it than early exchanges were dominated previous ice presidential debate. and mr trump had by the coronavirus crisis — something to say in the midst and of course the debate has taken on added significance of it as well, of course. thank since mrtrump you so much for taking us through the social media contracted the virus. senator harris said the trump consequences of the vice adminstration‘s response presidential debate. you are to the pandemic had been the greatest failure in presidential history. watching bbc news, much more to vice—president pence accused her of undermining come, do stay with us. public confidence in an eventual vaccine. hello. the weather picture first thing not looking so great across england the an eventual vaccine. american people have and wales, a lot of cloud out there and some witnessed the american people have outbreaks of rain. but hang in there because witnessed what is the greatest the afternoon offers a much brighter picture. failure of any presidential administration in the history here we are with this of our country. and here are area of low pressure currently feeding in all of the cloud the facts. 210,000 dead people and the rain, but notice to the north of it how much clearer the skies are. we'lljust pick out this little in our country the facts. 210,000 dead people in ourcountry in white streak of cloud here, the facts. 210,000 dead people in our country in just the last several months. 0ver though, because that in our country in just the last several months. over 7 million is a line of showers people have contracted this that will push into scotland disease. one in five businesses and northern ireland. and they're set to be pretty punchy. but once this band of rain closed, we are looking at starts its journey southwards frontline workers who have been treated like sacrificial through the morning, skies will begin to brighten. so, by 9am, hopefully workers. vice president pence, something a little bit brighter already into wales. scotland and northern ireland should see some decent sunshine from the get—go,

you have been in the front row but a lot of those showers ofa super already in the west you have been in the front row of a super spreader event at turning quite heavy, perhaps clumping together the rose garden, no social into longer spells of rain. just a few, i think, further south distancing, few masks, and now and for northern ireland. the front finally off a cluster of coronavirus cases into the continent after lunch, among those who were there. how and that's when we'll see things brighten for southernmost counties. can you expect americans to for much of england and wales, though, not a bad second follow the administration's half of the day at all. safety guidelines to protect themselves from covid, when you at the white house have not been doing so? if i may say, that rose garden event, there has been a great deal of speculation about it. perhaps just some cloud hanging my wife, karen, and i were back across east anglia, there and honoured to be there. but up to 17 degrees in the brightness, 11—12 many of the people who were at that event, further north for scotland and northern ireland. susan, actually were through thursday evening tested for coronavirus, and overnight into friday, and it was an outdoor event plenty of showers crossing scotland, which all of our scientists a more organised regularly and routinely advise. band of rain trails back into northern ireland and sinks the different here is, into northern england. president trump and i trust either side of that the american people to make cloud and rain, choices in the best quite a chilly start to friday, interest of their health. patchy frost perhaps in some rural spots across england and wales and northern scotland. and then a lot of cloud around joe biden and kamala harris for northern england, consistently talk about northern ireland and wales first thing on friday, mandates and notjust mandates then this whole system sinks its way with the coronavirus southeastwards through the day. but a government takeover so, we'll see cloud and rain of health care... moving in for southern thank you. and eastern england, crosstalk. thank you, vice president pence. ..the green new deal — i think, later on on friday. all government control. we are about freedom

and respecting the freedom still plenty of showers further of the american people. let's talk about respecting north, but hopefully the american people. interspersed with you respect the american people some sunny spells. and then from friday when you tell them the truth. into the weekend, here's our you respect the american people next significant transition. we move into a when you have the courage... northerly airstream. which we have always done. we move into polar air, to be a leader speaking that's the blue shading of those things on the map behind me, that you may not and we do so because we finally pull away the low want people to hear pressure that we've been talking about all week towards the continent but they need to hear and allow a high to establish so they can protect themselves. from the atlantic. but this administration stood the squeeze between on information that, the two, though, if you had as a parent, gives us that northerly airstream, if you had as worker, so quite a chilly northerly breeze knowing you did not have but a lot of dry weather enough money saved up, and sunshine for the majority and now you're standing of the uk for in a food line, because of the ineptitude of an administration that was willing the weekend ahead. to speak the truth to the american people. but some on northern coasts could be prone to some thicker cloud, so let's talk about caring perhaps the odd shower about the american people. and we may see some the american people have had drifting in off the north to sacrifice far too much, sea into eastern because of the incompetence england as well. of this administration. it is asking too much of the people... susan, we talked about this... ..the president is asking too much of the people that they would not be equipped with the information they need to help themselves, to protect their parents and their children.

the reality is that we are going to have a vaccine in re cord going to have a vaccine in record time, in unheard of time, in less than a year. we have five companies in phase three clinical trails and we are right now producing tens of millions of doses, so the fact that you continue to undermine public confidence in a vaccine, if the vaccine emerges during the trump administration i think is unconscionable, and senator, i'd just ask you, stop playing politics with people's lives. the reality is that we will have a vaccine, we believe, before the end of this year. sophie long is there for us. and sophie, we will have a look at foreign policy in a moment, let's have a look at environment as well in a moment of all, that was the topic of the debate, it felt like quite a strong, feisty start for a viewer, for someone trying to get into this. what was your impression of the whole show?

it was certainly a very strong start for kamala harris, the first question of course was the pandemic, it was always likely to be, it has been dominating the preparations for this debate and it dominated the opening part. she had a very strong start and as you saw there and basically said, making the case that their handling of the pandemic meant that they had forfeited their right to re—election. we will just get a few stats coming through now, in terms of this debate it was very different to the one that we saw a week ago, the one that we saw a week ago, the first presidential debate, thatis the first presidential debate, that is what people had hoped that is what people had hoped that it wouldn't be fraught with interruptions and we might actually hear a bit of policy and a plan copy it was a very different debate and perhaps that's what this one will be remembered for. we are announcing the statistics come through, mike pence apparently spoke for nearly three minutes longer than kamala harris, he interrupted her ten times and she interrupted him five times, so were

she interrupted him five times, so were there any standout moments that were going to change the course of this race in tonight's debate? probably not. did both candidates do what they set out to do? probably, yes. ithink what they set out to do? probably, yes. i think for kamala harris she had a very differentjob to do to that of mike pence, joe biden leading significantly the polls at the moment, but she really needed to maintain that momentum and i think that is what she succeeded to do and what was the most important was to not make any missteps which would good morning, welcome to breakfast with charlie stayt enable mr pence and his boss to and louise minchin. shift the focus of this 0ur headlines today: new coronavirus restrictions campaign away from the public are set to be unveiled health crisis which is exactly for the worst hit parts of england where, really, they wanted to next week — the north is expected stay. she kicked off, of to face the toughest measures. course, on the record and the pandemic. mike pence did a it follows new rules announced by the scottish government affecting decentjob of defending that, pubs and restaurants, it is not an easy thing to do which come into force tomorrow. when a pandemic has infected clashes over the covid crisis — your boss who is still mike pence and kamala harris trade recovering from his positive blows over the handling diagnosis and of course claimed of the pandemic in the us vice the lives of more than 211,000 presidential debate. americans. he had his strong points as well on the supreme

court. she was asked about the american people have witnessed court packing, this idea that what is the greatest failure of any the democrats have elected ——if presidential administration in the history of our elected would create more supreme elected would create more supremejustices so elected would create more supreme justices so they could readjust the balance after president trump has had two nominees appointed to the supreme court, he is hoping to get another one although that is looking in doubt at the moment and she didn't really a nswer moment and she didn't really answer that question, she just spoke about how president trump had not appointed any black federaljudges during his first term, so she didn't answer that question. what the american people wanted, everyone i've spoken to here over the past couple of days as they wanted to hear more about the plan going forward for each candidate. did they hear more on policy? yes. but both candidates were guilty ofjust dodging questions. if they didn't want to answer one, the first, the most standout question that neither candidate asked about the protocols and whether they would have discussions with their bosses about what would happen in the case of a presidential disability if they weren't able

to continue to govern. mike pence didn't even pretend to ask that question and neither did kamala harris either, but we got from her was a detailed resume, a very impressive resume, a very impressive resume, but she didn't answer the question. and you can understand perhaps why that question might be dodged, but there was quite a bit going on there. let's have a look at a couple of areas, sophie, where there was a discussion of policy to a degree and vice president pence, for example, defending the trump foreign policy. he said isis have been defeated, nato allies were now contributing more. , harrison returned said the us had been diminished asa returned said the us had been diminished as a world power under trump's leadership. let's have a listen. but donald trump, the commander in chief of the united states of america prefers to take the word of vladimir putin over the united states intelligent committee. a reputable research firm has done an analysis that shows

that leaders of all our formally allied countries have now decided that they hold in greater esteem and respect xi jinping, the head of the chinese communist party, then they do donald trump, the president of the united states. this is where we are today. because of a failure of leadership by this administration. nato is now contravening more to our common defence than ever before thanks to president trump's leadership. we have strengthened our alliances across the asia— pacific, strengthened our alliances across the asia—pacific, and we have stood strong against those who would do us harm. when president trump came into office, isis had captured an area of the middle east the size of pennsylvania, but president trump unleashed the american military and our armed forces destroyed the isis caliphate and took down their leader without one american

casualty. so that they sort of foreign policy cover stopping climate change and the environment, that is another of the key topics that was debated, highlighted by the wildfires which are raging through the american west at the moment, the cyclone sweeping off the gulf of mexico as well. like pence defended his administration's record on the environment, adding that the environment, adding that the democrats' policy would cost trillions of dollars copy president trump has made it clear that we are going to continue to listen to the science. joe biden and kamala harris would put us back in the paris claimant accord, they would impose the green new deal which would crush american energy, would increase the energy, would increase the energy costs of american families in their homes, literally would crush american jobs. and president trump and i believe that the progress that we have made in a cleaner environment has been happening precisely because we have a strong free market economy. joe believes, again, and science. i

served when they first got to the senate on the committee thatis the senate on the committee that is responsible for the environment. do you know this administration took the word science of the website? and then took the phrase climate change of the website? we have seen a change of the website? we have seen a pattern with this administration which is, they don't believe in science, and joe's plan is about saying we're going to deal with it but also create jobs. donald trump, when asked about the wildfires in california, and the question was, the science is telling a. you know what donald trump said? science doesn't know. at least you can hear, sophie, what their points are, what their arguments were as opposed to the last time around with the biden— trump fiasco. i suppose the question for voters now is, we have heard what they say and we got to make a choice, those who haven't decided. yeah, it's interesting. 0n decided. yeah, it's interesting. on your first point we did actually get to hear what they wanted to say and susan paige the moderator set it out the beginning that

they would have two minutes uninterrupted and they did get that. even she wasn't interrupted when they decided to just have it from one subject to another, when they didn't want to answer one question, so we have heard more. were there many exciting moments? was it as exciting as the american people were hoping? donald trump is obviously watching it and tweeting throughout. he said he was excited by the debate and by mike pence's performance. he said that he showed that he is ready to step and. one thing that kamala harris would have been seeking to do tonight is show that she, too, is able to step into the resident's shoes ata step into the resident's shoes at a moment's notice because of course, the age of both presidential candidates. so will it excite the american people as much as it excited donald trump? we will wait to see and that of course, we won't find out for some weeks now. the election day is less than four weeks away, so not too long to wait but we don't

even know how long counting will take and when we will get a result. so, one of the memorable moments was of course when a fly unfortunately landed on mike pence's had, just about ten minutes towards the end of the debate. joe biden didn't resist the opportunity to tweet about that and i think many other people will be doing that too. they are, in their droves, it seems. sophie, thank you very much indeed for that. a real run through there at the way in which this debate has worked. going to speak to democrats and republicans, supporters from both sides as to their views as well over the course of the programme. this is bbc news and still to come coal on the us vice president, mike pence and his democratic democratic challenger, kamala harris trade attacks through plexiglass barriers in their only debate ahead of the elections. this was a celebration

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this is bbc world news, the latest headlines: the vice—presidential candidates take centre stage — mike pence and his democratic challenger kamala harris clash over the coronavirus crisis in their one televised debate together. what are we meant to make of it all? our reality check correspondent is here. unless you were saying this same? exactly. last week was a scrap, evenif exactly. last week was a scrap, even if this one did feel like a debate, perhaps if there was no clear winner. coronavirus was the dominant issue and i think it is the dominant issue of the selection for election for unsurprising reasons. there we re for unsurprising reasons. there were a couple of things you could fact check in the debate. kamala harris said donald trump is called the virus a hoax. we don't think that is quite

right. goes back to comments the president in february when here she is the democrats are politicising the virus. he went on to say that criticism of his handling of covid—19 was quote, their new hoax. so the handling of the virus, not the virus itself. we know that he said monday it will magically disappear and he has played it down but we don't think he has said directly, this is a hoax. as for the vice president, mike pence noticed that donald trump had suspended all travel from china in the early days of the pandemic, saving hundreds of thousands of lives. again, not quite right. there was no blanket and on travel from china. there were restrictions put in but loads of exemptions for us citizens for legal residents and for others. we reckon about 40,000 people arrived directly from china to the united states in the first two months after esther trump impose those restrictions. so certainly not a blanket ban. and anyway, more of the infection that came from the us

properly came from europe than china. so some pretty clear points run out there. as a been discussing, there was policy talks out here for an hour or more. so there were these important issues but what did you note, what really struck you note, what really struck you in terms of what they were gunning for and how close to the wire they were getting on it? you're right, we got into some proper policy debates. healthcare is an important issue in american elections. wanting that the vice president said which was noted all was that donald trump and i have a plan to improve health and protect pre—existing conditions for every american. we know they want to get rid of president 0bama's health plan but we haven't seen any detailed plan for them, certainly not one that protects pre—existing conditions. it was interesting, he was pressed on the point by the moderator, saying what is in the plan and what is in it? and he basically ignored the question went on to talk about abortion and the court instead. the other big

issue always is the economy and their were lots of facts run around in the campaign around jobs created jobs not created. 0ne being kamala harris said during the debate was that more than 30 million people about to file for unemployment in the last few months. that is true but what she didn't say was that number has already fallen sharply. it is now down to about 12 million. she didn't really mention the context of the global pandemic. what we have seen is unemployment around the world rise dramatically and then in many countries fall again quite sharply. so her number was correct on a one level but she really didn't put it in the context that i think any american president, either democratic or republican, would have struggled to protectjobs in america in an unprecedented pandemic like this. thank you very much chris. we will get some focus on the economic issues as well in the business section of the program in about 10 minutes time. chris morris with a reality check there.

we can now speak to robin swanson who's democratic strategist and former spokesperson for the california democratic party and speaker of the california assembly. thank you forjoining us. i wa nt to thank you forjoining us. i want to know what you're made of this. there was debate and thatis of this. there was debate and that is the wanting we all agree on. yes, there actually was much more civilised debate than the presidential debate which is a sad state of affairs. i think we saw senator harris come out strong, i, from her home state of california, know her as a prosecutor, attorney general. she sits on the senate judiciary attorney general. she sits on the senatejudiciary committee. this is someone we are familiar with but the rest of the world and the rest of the country isn't necessarily. so i think she did a really good job of prosecuting this administration for their handling of the coronavirus and i think the fa ct coronavirus and i think the fact that the vice president is the chair of the coronavirus task force. she left the

211,000 dead americans at his feet because it has been so mismanaged in this country. i counted the minutes that they we re counted the minutes that they were going back and forth on the coronavirus and for at least the first 25 minutes of the debate, they were talking about the coronavirus. and frankly, when this administration is talking about the coronavirus, they are losing. that is the context of the debate itself. let's be realistic. we know these are exceptional circumstances and we have two old presidential candidates frankly. but does this cut any ice really across the states as a moment?” this cut any ice really across the states as a moment? i think it is marginal. i don't think anybody is moving big camps with these debates. i think it is- with these debates. i think it is — you know, we have a big lead right now in some important swing states but it is really important for democrats to motivate motors to get out and vote —— voters. so

i think for those paying attention, they would have had attention, they would have had a lot of things they like from senator harris. i think there is going to be a lot of blowback for mike pence's radio host style. and his ability to just sort of drone on and dodge questions. so i think there is going to be some blowback in that respect but it doesn't move the needle in a huge way. we are going to live there actually. robin, thank you very much indefinite. very clear perspective coming from what you might call the democratic camp there. jonathan jakubowski is executive chair of the republican party in wood county ohio. it is one of the key swing counties in the united states being closely watched. he has also written a book bellwether blues, a conservative awakening of the millennial soul which looks at what republicans need to do to entice this group away from the left. he's in bowling green ohio. thank you forjoining us

jonathan. i noted actually the very last question in this debate was drawn not from the moderator herself but a question sent to her by a millennial, saying, when are you to make basically going to start talking civilly to one another? she might have meant that about the presidential candidates but could have mentioned it about any of them i suppose, that is a real challenge isn't it for the republicans when they are behind in the polls? yes, so, david, what of the things to look at is, you can't trust polling. it is in the same state of affairs it was then in 2016. one of the things i would notice if we turn the clock back to 2016, when donald trump became candidate for the republican party, there were lots of people in places like wood county ohio, swing counties in swing states that didn't trust donald trump as a candidate. for his indiscretion that his past, he chose mike pence and he became a coming force that secured a lot of voters they otherwise wouldn't have gone with him. and i think tonight, mike pence is really

the coming force that the trump campaign really needs to deliver and demonstrate the policy benefits that voters in wood county care about. but let's be honest, that is probably the high water mark formike probably the high water mark for mike pence a donald trump is back. are not try and understand that precisely when is at the high water mark.|j mean, these are the vice presidential candidates. donald trump, as we know, is not a man who is going to be outshone on his own campaign. he will dominate as long as he is fit and ready to do it, so in a way, your temporary assurance coming from mike pence is possibly just that, temporary? i think it is more than a temporary assurance given what we have seen here in the 2016 election and over the course of the last four years. wood cou nty the last four years. wood county is one of the handful counties in the nation, the new york times called back everyone of the top 10 counties to watch in 2020. some talking a lot of voters who are considering what they want to bore. a lot of people around here like the

policy prescriptions of the trump p administration. a lot of people are struggling with the brashness about how donald trump when in the campaign. a lot of people are following the lead of pence. a lot of people will go for a selection and attracted to him. and i think they will deliver another victory in 2020. i wouldn't expect you to say anything else. it is a big gap nonetheless. you set at the start that a lot of these republicans might not bother about the polls at this stage. is it really doable? it absolutely is. you can't look at polling. any polling from 16 -20 at polling. any polling from 16 —20 is at polling. any polling from 16 — 20 is going to be similar numbers. looking at registration numbers as well. it is not just registration numbers as well. it is notjust about polls, to become incredibly politicised since 2012 and there are some polls out at a show a very different story than the national polls are out there from some large organisations that have bias in them. looking ata that have bias in them. looking at a story from 2016, do we really believe the same thing is going to happen? i know on the ground, what i've seen in wood county in a swing county

is not the story at all. it's a close race and there is a lot to be done. i tell you what, we watch wood county like a. thank you forjoining us watch wood county like a. thank you for joining us jonathan. stay with us, thanks watching bbc news. we will get economically views in a moment. —— the economic news. hello. the weather picture first thing not looking so great across england and wales, a lot of cloud out there and some outbreaks of rain. but hang in there because the afternoon offers a much brighter picture. here we are with this area of low pressure currently feeding in all of the cloud and the rain, but notice to the north of it how much clearer the skies are. we'lljust pick out this little white streak of cloud here, though, because that is a line of showers that will push into scotland and northern ireland. and they're set to be pretty punchy. but once this band of rain starts its journey southwards through the morning, skies will begin to brighten. so, by 9am, hopefully something a little bit

brighter already into wales. scotland and northern ireland should see some decent sunshine from the get—go, but a lot of those showers already in the west turning quite heavy, perhaps clumping together into longer spells of rain. just a few, i think, further south and for northern ireland. the front finally off into the continent after lunch, and that's when we'll see things brighten for southernmost counties. for much of england and wales, though, not a bad second half of the day at all. perhaps just some cloud hanging back across east anglia, but up to 17 degrees in the brightness, 11—12 further north for scotland and northern ireland. through thursday evening and overnight into friday, plenty of showers crossing scotland, a more organised band of rain trails back into northern ireland and sinks into northern england. either side of that cloud and rain, quite a chilly start to friday, patchy frost perhaps in some rural spots across england and wales and northern scotland. and then a lot of cloud around for northern england, northern ireland and wales first thing on friday, then this whole system sinks its way southeastwards through the day. so, we'll see cloud and rain moving in for southern and eastern england, i think, later on on friday. still plenty of showers further north, but hopefully

interspersed with some sunny spells. and then from friday into the weekend, here's our next significant transition. we move into a northerly airstream. we move into polar air, that's the blue shading on the map behind me, and we do so because we finally pull away the low pressure that we've been talking about all week towards the continent and allow a high to establish from the atlantic. the squeeze between the two, though, gives us that northerly airstream, so quite a chilly northerly breeze but a lot of dry weather and sunshine for the majority of the uk for the weekend ahead. but some on northern coasts could be prone to some thicker cloud, perhaps the odd shower and we may see some drifting in off the north sea into eastern england as well.

this is bbc news with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. the vice—presidential candidates take centre stage — mike pence and his democratic challenger kamala harris clash over the coronavirus crisis in their one televised debate together. the american people have witnessed what is the greatest failure of any residential administration in the history of our country. if a vaccine emerges during the trump administration i think it is unconscionable and senator, i'd just ask you, stop playing politics with people's lives. there were also clear divisions between them over china, climate change, racial

justice, and the economy. america, you just heard senator harris tell you. on day one, joe biden is going to raise your taxes. joe biden will not raise taxes on anyone who makes less tha n raise taxes on anyone who makes less than $400,000 a year, he has been very clear about that. the debate was far more orderly than the clash between president trump and joe biden just over a week ago — but will it influence the undecided voters? well, as you've been hearing, mike pence and kamala harris did their best to make the vice—presidential debate a calm affair, after the previous, rancorous performance of donald trump and joe biden. early exchanges were dominated by the coronavirus crisis — but the two also clashed repeatedly over economic policy.

vice—president pence defended his administration's handling of the economy. and he claimed a vote for the democrats meant higher taxes. when president trump and i took office, america had gone through the slowest economic recovery since the great depression. it's when joe recovery since the great depression. it's whenjoe biden was vice president, they tried to tax—and—spend and regulate our way back towards a growing economy. president trump cut taxes across the board. despite what senator harris says, the average american family of four had $2000 in savings in taxes, and with the rise in wages that occurred, most predominantly for blue—collar, hard—working americans, the average household income for a family of four increased by $4000 following president trump's tax cuts. but america, you just heard senator harris tell you. 0n heard senator harris tell you. on day one, joe biden is going to raise your taxes. that

tax—and—spend message there. senator harris said the only tax rises would be on the rich and said the trump administration had inherited a strong economy from president 0bama and vice president biden and then proceeded, she said, to mismanage it. joe biden will not raise taxes on anyone who makes less than $400,000 a year, he has been very clear about that stubbly joe year, he has been very clear about that stubblyjoe biden will not in fracking, he has been very clear about that. joe biden is the one who, during the great recession, was responsible for the recovery act that brought america back and now the trump pence administration wants to take credit when they wrote the coatta ils of credit when they wrote the coattails ofjoe biden's success for the economy that they had at the beginning of they had at the beginning of the term. of course, now, the economy is a complete disaster, joe biden, on the one hand did that. on the other hand, you have donald trump who has reigned over a recession that is being compared to the great depression. the two also

clashed over the dividing economic policy of the trump administration and that is the trade war with china with mike pence saying their policy had predicted usjobs pence saying their policy had predicted us jobs and that mr biden would surrender to china over trade. joe biden wants to go back to the economic surrender to china. when we took off half our international trade if that was with china alone and joe biden wants to repeal all of the tariffs that president trump put into effect to fight for american jobs and american workers. joe biden says democracy is on the ballot. make no mistake about it, the american economy, the american come back is on the ballot. senator harris argued that the trade what had been summoned to boast about but had damaged the economy. you earlier referred to it as part of what he thinks is an accomplishment, the president's trade war with china. he lost that trade was.

he lost at. what ended up happening is, because of a so—called trade war with china, america lost 300,000 manufacturing jobs. farmers have experienced bankruptcy because of it. we are in a manufacturing recession because of it, and when we look at where this administration has been, there are estimates that by the end of the term of this administration, they will have lost morejobs administration, they will have lost more jobs than almost any other residential administration. so you got the economic you if you like of that debate. with us to look at some of the economic issues raised in the debate are michael gordon — communications consultant who served in the clinton administration — he is in westport, connecticut. dr pippa malmgren a us policy analyst and author who served as an economics adviser to president george w bush. daniel meere is managing director of consulting firm

axis corporate — which advises companies in europe and the us. thanks very much to all three of you forjoining us for this andi of you forjoining us for this and i hope you enjoyed the debate as much as anything, at least you could hear what was being said this time. michael, let me start with you. i'd just wonder what your thoughts were on who won that argument, because tax and spend, as a criticism and accusation, is an easy one to make and a very easy one to make and a very easy one to make and a very easy one for people to understand and follow. sure, but i think more importantly americans want a functioning economy, which we don't have right now, and they want to stamp out the coronavirus and most americans, a majority of americans feel that the trump administration has done a poor job managing it and statistics have pointed that out. we have had more than 210,000 deaths

which, per capita, is among the very highest of wealthy nations, and so the old tax—and—spend argument is an old scare tactic but it is not really relevant in 2020, considering all the other issues that are percolating right now. pepper, what do you make of that? it is certainly true that there has been an awful lot of spending by this administration as well, effectively because it had to be done and somewhere down the line, there is going to have to be taxed to cover that. yeah, you know, i've just be taxed to cover that. yeah, you know, i'vejust written be taxed to cover that. yeah, you know, i've just written a book about leadership and one of the key points is that people arejudging of the key points is that people are judging leaders of the key points is that people arejudging leaders not on what they say or even what they do, but on how they are. like, what is their core being about? and what we kind of sore here wasn't even about the policy issues, it was more about, harris didn't really say vote for me, she said vote for

joe, and so there wasn't a week, it was a ham, and i think that that is going to undermine the confidence in what she says about whatever the facts are, and equally pence, he had a lot of pa rents and equally pence, he had a lot of parents issues, like the concerns about his health because of the condition of his right i, and so whatever they are both saying about the so—called facts, i'm not sure that really changed anybody‘s mind, but who they were on stage, was either a confidence builder or not and itjust has less to do with the substance and more to do with the presentation, amazingly. it's quite interesting, isn't it? after the first debate everyone was crying out for substance and now we get a little bit of it, people tend to think, especially with the vice presidential, maybe that's not the important thing. daniel, what did you make of it? and if we just stick what did you make of it? and if wejust stick on what did you make of it? and if we just stick on these economic points and i suppose the

tax—and—spend argument first of all, viewed from slightly further afield, was there a winner or a loser? it's really interesting for the us electorate because they've got a choice between long—term stability, investment that was the position of the biden—harris debate, and certainly more a short—term recovery plan, which potentially is unsustainable which is the trump pence argument. i think the uk, there are certainly a question mark over the current good relationship between president trump and boris johnson relationship between president trump and borisjohnson being short lived and whether the us election will be a distraction which will prevent a uk—us trade deal taking place. which will prevent a uk—us trade dealtaking place. 0k, let's go round the houses again, and this time on the trade war issue, if you like. michael, you made the point to start with that you really feel covid-19 start with that you really feel covid—19 was the big issue.

nonetheless, we are talking jobs, aren't we? we are talking about the future of every american's, their livelihoods, their wealth or otherwise, is there still an argument to be had over the trade war being something that the us has won or lost? is it something that can decide the undecided?” don't think so. i think the biggest issue is far and away the virus. i do think each candidate tonight scored points on the trade war but in different ways. i thought pence prosecuted a pretty good argument, whether i agree with it or not, on nafta, while harris persecuted a good argument on the failed trade effo rts argument on the failed trade efforts with china, and so i think they each scored points, it is certainly important to swing voters and some of the key midwestern swing states such as my home state of

michigan, and pennsylvania where i went to school, but it still is not the primary issue that most voters are voting on stopping the primary issue is the virus. pippa, i don't know if you agree with that? again, what's really interesting as they presented completely opposite facts about the economic reality. pence presented an america that has more manufacturing jobs returning to the united states because of the hard line on trade policy, and kamala harris comes out saying that the united states has lost 300,000 manufacturing jobs. they can't both be true, and neither one really defended that seemingly factual statement, so the public is left with, what is their preconception about that reality? it's not that there is a reality, it'sjust you either buy into one or you buy into

the other, so again, the swing vote, i'm not sure was affected by any of these arguments. it will be interesting to see if this debate moves the dial at all on who the public is actually going to vote for, so once again, substance is not what is winning these arguments with the general public. this is really interesting stuff, isn't it, because there's so much emphasis on reality checks, on fact checking, and yet a lot of fact checking ends up yet a lot of fact checking ends up saying, well, that wasn't entirely true, although it is a grain of truth to it which only makes it harder to decide whether you believe an argument or not. again, as seen from beyond the united states, the issue of something like the us—china trade war, would it be fairto us—china trade war, would it be fair to say generally speaking, it is being seen as a very negative element? yes i would agree on this comes back to the point around stability. i think a lot of the criticism of current us administration is

that it has been very disruptive and at a time when we have disruption through natural events, if you like, such as covid—19, that is certainly not something that is going to give confidence to the electorate, whether it is in the us or people who are affected more broadly such as the uk. andjust affected more broadly such as the uk. and just one affected more broadly such as the uk. andjust one last point, the stimulus package which, 0k, is delayed, at least, to an extent beyond the election itself in terms of anything coming into play, michael, it didn't play in this debate, is it something that you would say both sides are happy to avoid at the moment?” think both sides are to blame for the fact that a stimulus package has not been passed, but of course in any national crisis, any national issue, the voters tend to blame the party in charge which in this case is the republican party, so i think it was an opportunity for

harris to score some political points. she didn't on this but there is plenty of time with there is plenty of time with the forthcoming two debates for biden to make that case. that's an interesting point, we focus so an interesting point, we focus so much on that stimulus package over the last few months and then weeks and finally days and here we are, it is still sitting on the table, and yet the two people who could find themselves dealing with it very directly rather steered away? yeah, and i think every body knows there will be one. the conditions of the economy absolutely demand that there is some kind of government policy reaction, so the public isn't really asking the public isn't really asking the question, are we're going to have this, they already know we're going to. itjust the parameters, and because the sense is we will get there either way within a few weeks because the election is within a few weeks, i think the sense of urgency has already been addressed. the bigger issue, i

think, is taxation, and i thought it was super interesting when, harris said, but we will only text people who make more than $400,000 a year, that is a signal to most entrepreneurs in america that they will be hit by that and i think that is partly what is contributing to the entrepreneurial vote leaning towards the republicans, even though people may be liberal in their heart, they still vote conservative with their pocketbooks. and daniel, i think it is seen by many americans as a bit of a sideshow. from further afield, is it even a bit of a sideshow? it's interesting what the ramifications could be. the biden harris have set out a two —$3 biden harris have set out a two — $3 trillion recovery package which is relatively conservative compare to other estimates and represents 3% of gdp. the uk also has a similar situation where somebody has to pay for all of the investment does not think about the job

retention scheme in the uk, to billions of pounds that is cause. uk election will be looking at this and saying, we face a similar challenge. and how we do if it. i think that's an interesting point stop other countries perspectives on how this is panning out. thank you to the panel forjoining us here in bbc news. and thank you for being with us. stay with us on bbc news, still to come: the us vice president, mike pence and his democratic challenger, kamala harris trade attacks through plexiglass barriers — in their only debate ahead of the elections. wonder what they make of on i wonder what they make of it on social media. this was a celebration by people who were relishing their freedom. they believe everything's going to be different from now on. they think their country will be respected in the world once more, as it used to be, before slobodan milosevic took power.

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with me now is our news correspondent, paul hawkins who's been monitoring reaction across social media. and across social media. there is a lot of reaction. it and there is a lot of reaction. it might be the biden, trump picking of the numbers but give us picking of the numbers but give usa picking of the numbers but give us a flavour as to how it has gone down really. we will get to social media in just a moment but first, i been looking at what americans have been searching for on google. this is public information that is available. and whoever wants to look at it, google makes it publicly available. the last few minutes, google have published the top searched issues during the debate. if we run it on here, you can see that the top, unemployment stays fairly top—4 this side of the debate and as it runs on,

what gets interesting is, once it gets into an hour into the debate, unemployment flips over and abortion and the supreme court more or less remain near the top. and that is the point in the debate where kamala harris was pushed by mike pence on whetherjoe biden would try and pack the supreme court if they want the election. a question they didn't answer —— won. a lot of people in the united states, and we must add this as an voter intention, but it certainly says that a lot of people are curious about what they would do if they were to get hold of a supreme court if they won the next election. and they won the next election. and they want to know if they are looking to reinforce already established views or the like. exactly. for me, these are potentially floating voters because if your views are entrenched, you wouldn't be searching for it on google. that was one interesting thing. the other thing i also noticed was if we look at google trends as well and we look at the dimensions of the candidates.

trump, mike pence, biden and harris. in the past two hours, the whole map on the left has been mostly blue, turquoise blue that shows how my harris has been the most search for candidate and in the top right—hand corner of the united states, the north—eastern united states, people there have just started looking for mike pence in the last half—an—hour. if you look on the right, that just half—an—hour. if you look on the right, thatjust shows donald trump and joe biden. before the debate, that was mostly before the debate, that was m ostly rea d , before the debate, that was mostly read, mostly donald trump and is the debate has gone on, it is mostly leaning towards being blue. does that mean essentially that from kamala harris's point of view, job done. it's about putting herself in front of the american nation and that map of the states there suggests she has done that. yes, she has got the retention. they are looking for that. i would say that. whether it has affected the polls, we'll have to see because there is a seven to 8% margin in the polls in biden's

favourite the moment. so if that doesn't change, you could argue polls. in terms of what is trending on social media at the moment. mike pence is still at the top there. if we scroll down, susan, susan page the moderator has been trending a lot. been getting a little bit of stick for not raining in how long each candidate was speaking for. in actually stop them. three or four times she repeated that and it was only about an hour into the debate that she really took mike pence to task and she has been trending quite a lot. and we have to talk about this. i didn't even that during the debate. i did notice that he had a fly on his head. it wouldn't be the kind of thing you're looking for but people really picking up on that. you wonder how you know, how could you have missed it. maybe your

attention wasn't held as much as it should have been during the debate? it did. ifi only lives on average for about a month but what a moment in the life of the fly. it's 00:52:11,004 --> 4294966103:13:29,430 interesting actually because a