tv Outside Source BBC News October 8, 2020 7:00pm-8:01pm BST
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hello, i'm ros atkins, this is outside source. donald trump's been changing his mind, on the election debates. hello, i'm ros atkins, this is outside source. donald trump's been changing his mind, on the election debates. the president first refused to take part in a virtual debate after the format was changed — saying he'd hold a rally instead. here's whatjoe biden made of that i don't know, i'm just hearing the same thing you are hearing as we are going. never know what's going to come out of his mouth. but now, it's back on — after the trump campaign accepted the democrats offer, of a week's delay. the fbi arrests six men for plotting to kidnap gretchen whitmer, the democratic governor of the state of michigan. federal and state law enforcement are committed to working together to make sure that violent extremists never succeed with their plans.
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particularly when they target our duly elected leaders. a record number of new coronavirus cases worldwide. the world health organization records more than 330,000 new infections in a single day. and, we'll be looking at why a bizarre collection of false conspiracy theories — qanon — has become a concern, in the mainstream. we begin in the us with a story that's just breaking. the next presidential debate will be held a week later than planned because of donald trump's coronavirus diagnosis. here's how that played out. first, the debate commission said the event would be virtual. then the president told fox news he was out. no, i'm not going to waste my time ona no, i'm not going to waste my time on a virtual debate, that's not what debating is all about. it's a behind
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a computer into a debate, it's ridiculous, and then they cut you off. and that prompted this response from joe biden. we don't know what the president is going to do, he changes his mind every second. for me to comment on that now would be irresponsible. i think i'm going to follow the commission recommendations and if he goes off and going to have a rally, i don't know what i'll do. depends oi'i i don't know what i'll do. depends on what the... we don't know enough to know right now. i will talk to a later about it. i don't know. i'm just hearing the same thing you are hearing as we are going. never know what's going to come out of his mouth, who knows. thank you. thenjoe biden‘s campaign said: "we hope the debate commission will move the biden—trump town hall to october 22nd, so that the president is not able to evade accountability." and the trump campaign agreed. so the event will be held on the 22nd of october in the key swing state of florida — with another debate scheduled for the week after that.
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gary o'donoghue, washington. that sounds like it's all been com pletely that sounds like it's all been completely straightforward.” that sounds like it's all been completely straightforward. i don't think that's actually what's going to happen, because there's been another statement from the jill biden camp that says the debate on the 22nd should be the last one, that it's already very late, the latest debate in a0 years. they want the 22nd to be the last one to take place in miami. also do to be the date of the nashville debate which would be the third one. the truck campaign wants that to go ahead on the 29th. there's still no agreement on that between any of them. the commission on presidential debates, the a political body that arranges all these things have been utterly silent since, well, for the last six oi’ silent since, well, for the last six or seven hours since it dropped the bombshell about the virtual nature of the miami debate. and it's
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courting some particularly strong political winds here. notjust about the debate itself but about how the candidates look about the debate. yes it is. i think they may be ruing the fact that he did not try to talk to the campaigns before making their announcement about turning this debate into a virtual one. if you are effectively ended up putting joe biden and donald trump at least initially on the same side arguing against the presidential commission. but however donald trump once two more debates, that's the bottom line. he needs two more debates in some ways to turn things around for himself politically. the bidens don't want to be seen, that camp does not want to be seen from running away from debates of the others they are happy to agree to one but not to. so stalemate. that's about as clear as we could be. also while on fox, donald trump suggested he may have contracted
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covid—i9 from the relatives of military personnel who died while serving. i can't back up and say give me room, i want room can be can be 12 feet away. they come within an inch of my face sometimes, i want hug me and kiss me. —— they want to. the president is probably referring to a white house event on september 27. several high—ranking military leaders attended including a coast guard admiral who has since tested positive. crucially and incredibly we still don't know when donald trump first tested positive. that's relevant understanding if he took chances by meeting people when contagious. here's the senior democrat nancy pelosi. there is one question that he refuses, they refuse to answer. when was the comma before he got the virus, and admitted to it, when was his last negative test? when was his la st his last negative test? when was his last negative test with mac to make
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a judgement about the actions that we re a judgement about the actions that were ta ken after a judgement about the actions that were taken after that. earlier, the white house released a video in whcih the president trump said his coronavirus infection was "a blessing from god". and he said he wants to make the experimental antibody treatment he received free for all americans with covid. here's part of the video. i want everybody to be given the same treatment as your president. because i feel great. i feel like perfect. so i think this was a blessing from god that i caught it. a blessing in disguise. i caught it, i heard about this drug might said, let me take a commit was my suggestion. i said let me take it and it was incredible the way it worked. incredible. but in reality many americans can't get the same treatment as their president. as the new york times highlights here: "president trump spent three
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days in the hospital. he arrived and left by helicopter. and he received multiple coronavirus tests, oxygen, steroids and an experimental antibody treatment. "for someone who isn't president, that would cost more than $100,000 in the american health system." there are also questions about the effectiveness of the experimental treatment, regeneron. here's nomia iqbal in washington. it's an experimental drug, and also the clinical trials it has only been tried on about ten people. it's not even been approved by a federal regulators. and even his medical team, his doctors have not backed his comments. also he is on quite a few experiments with drugs including a heavy steroid. so we are unclear as to why he thinks this is the drug that has made him better. the pandemic is the doiminant issue in this election — how could it not be when over 210,000 people in the us have died from covid. this polling is relevant. it's found 35% of americans approve of how the president
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has handled the crisis. among republicans that figure is 76%. unsurprisingly, it's much lower among democrats. 72% of all respondents said mr trump did not take the "risk of contracting the virus seriously enough". a similar yahoo news/yougov poll found that around half of respondents believed he could have avoided contracting the disease if he had practised greater social distancing and worn a facemask. gary o'donoghue, washington. you will know better than me but the president's argument seems to be yes, i was not doing what everyone else was doing but it wouldn't been appropriate for me to. he's made the argument a couple of times, he made that when he senior adviser got the disease suggesting it had happened some time on one of their trips where they were meeting members of law and order, that they always want to hug you and kiss you, he said at
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the time. there is no evidence they have produced to suggest this is how he picked up the disease can we know he's never been a fan of wearing a face mask, he never does it. continues to shake hands with people and a lot of people around him seem to follow suit inside the white house, hence we got the white house asa house, hence we got the white house as a hotspot now. the other thing the president suggested this morning is that he does not feel infectious any more. i don't think very many people are going to accept that as a kind of yardstick for whether or not say for people to be around him. was not aware you could feel infectious. thank you very much. live with us from washington, there's many circumstances where you can be contagious with covid and you don't feel that way. we begin in the us with a story that's just breaking. the fbi says it's charging six people involved in a plot
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to overthrow michigan's state government and kidnap the governor, gretchen whitmer. these are images of ms whitmer. the fbi said the alleged conspirators surveyed her holiday home and considered kidnapping ms whitmer to a remote location in wisconsin to stand trial for treason ahead of november's election. several members are accused of talking about murdering ‘tyrants‘ or ‘taking' a sitting governor. prosecutors in michigan held a news conference a short while ago. last night the fbi and michigan state police arrested six individuals charged in a federal complaint with conspiring to kidnap the governor of michigan, gretchen whitmer. all of us standing here today with the public to know that federal and state law enforcement are committed to working together to make sure that violent extremists never succeed with the plans. particularly when they target our duly elected leaders.
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jon lewis from the george washington program on extremism joins me live. what is your reaction to this press conference? this is another indication of the rise of antigovernment extremism in the united states. we seen a number of these movements spring up in the last six to eight months. especially the ones that you have seen with the hawaiian shirts and ar fifteenths and a lot of these antigovernment groups have attempted to both spark violence at these protests and continue their attempts as you seen from this case to target individuals in the us with a dutch law enforcement, elected lawmakers for violence with a view as a tyrannical and ungrateful government. violence with a view as a tyrannical and ungrateful governmentm violence with a view as a tyrannical and ungrateful government. is the allegation that those behind this alleged plot are connected to a broader network of extremists? we
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have not yet seen any clear indication of that. i know from the allegations that were set forth this morning both of the complaint and the subsequent press conference, the attorney general of michigan announced that several of the individuals arrested were members of the wolverine watchmen which they report is a small michigan—based militia movement. we have not seen any militia movement. we have not seen a ny clear militia movement. we have not seen any clear indication at this point that ended in divorce arrested are of this larger boogaloo movement in the us, but i would say certainly from the allegations that we have seen a lot of the narratives and talking points echo a lot of what we have seen in the past six to eight months, especially as it relates to gretchen whitmer and a lot of the actions she has taken in response to the pandemic. people all around the world taking in what you are telling us, we cannot talk with the specifics but more broadly what of
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these mass extremists hoping to achieve, what is there and goal? an excellent question. a lot of these acceleration is, antigovernment groups in the us, their primary goal is to incite violence in order to speed up societal collapse. whether that's planning on building a molotov cocktail and taking it to a peaceful protest, or allegedly committing a drive—by shooting of federal officers at a courthouse, or in this case allegedly attempting to plot to kidnap a sitting us governor. these are individuals who wholeheartedly believe in what they are doing, and they believe that through these violent acts and many of these cases they have alleged to have been plotting, they can then speed up the collapse of the us government for their own goals. speed up the collapse of the us government for their own goalsm appreciate you explaining that to us, john lewis life from washington.
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the world health organisation has reported its biggest increase in global coronavirus cases in a day. it's just posted this on its website. as you can see — a record 338,779 cases were reported in the past 2a—hours. the biggest increases were seen in india, the us and brazil. we'll have updates on the pandemic in europe — lets start in england. the bbc understands covid restrictions will be tighened in the worst affected areas next week. pubs and restaurants will close and overnight stays away from homes will be banned. all that said, no announcement is being made til monday — and cabinet minister robertjenrick gave little away today. we are currently considering what steps we should take, obviously taking the advice of our scientific and medical advisers. and a decision will be made shortly. but i'm not able to give you right now exactly
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what's going to happen, but we will continue to take a proportionate and delocalized response which i think is the right thing to do which committee variations are significant in england from over 550 in manchester per 100,000, to as low as i9 manchester per 100,000, to as low as 19 in cornwall, dorset and hereford. a localised but proportionate response has to be the way forward. well details were leaked to the bbc and other media outlets. what we know is the government is looking to bring in a three tier system — so different parts of the country face different restrictions. we think it could look like this. tier one could be the loosest restricto ns — the current rule of six — meaning gathering of maximum — would stay. tier two — could mean a ban on mixing households in indoor venues. that would kick in when cases are above 100 per 100,000. tier three is stricter still. the times newspaper has more detail: "businesses such as pubs, restaurants and cafes in this tier will have to close, with leisure
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venues and hairdressers also likely to be shut. schools, universities and other businesses will remain open."and we're told these areas will be affected: "merseyside and other parts of northern england will be placed in the highest tier as some millions living in northern england are living with local restrictions. and leaders there have hit out at these leaked plans. the mayor of greater manchester tweeted: "no discussion. no consultation. millions of lives affected by whitehall diktat. it is proving impossible to deal with this government." others want more details of the plan too. here's chris mason on that. this is leeds where new rules have some sort are expected. new regulations are coming for parts of england where there are a lot of cases, but precisely where, when and how severe it will be is not yet
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clear. too much complicated. we don't know what they are going to do next. do we? it'sjust one big mess. well, if it's going to get rid of this virus again that we are going to have to put up with all of this. people losing theirjobs. but it's out people losing theirjobs. but it's our lives. kill the account or make everything. and the leader of the counsellor here says. seeking urgent discussions with government to understand what expecting to understand what expecting to understand why, there's been a delay in the announcement until next monday which gives the weekend. where people can go out as they please and just understand that there's going to be a time restriction on this. go along the and 62 deliverable were again there's a lot of cases, and again lots of questions from local leaders. you can't have an effective
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government if the strategy is announcement by media leak. we've said all along we want to have an open and meaningful dialogue with governments, and i just open and meaningful dialogue with governments, and ijust ask them to speak to areas where potentially they could be facing even more stringent lockdown measures. yet again decision time here at westminster with the growing clamour that adds up to a simple demand. tell us what's happening. another development today. the leader of the oppositon keir starmer now says he will support the 10pm hospitality curfew in england — when it's put to a vote next week. he'd been pushing for more scientific evidence to justify the rule — so this was a surprise. here's what be said. the problem with the vote next week is that the and up, down, take it all or leave it vote. therefore if you vote down the current arrangement there will be any restrictions in place, that's not what we want. we will not be voting down the restrictions but would you
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say to the government reform the 10pm rule, show us the evidence, do it in 10pm rule, show us the evidence, do itina 10pm rule, show us the evidence, do it in a much smarter way. the government has always insisted the hospitality is playing a role in this part of the virus. for more on this part of the virus. for more on this here's jonathan this part of the virus. for more on this here'sjonathan blake. to more questions at the moment, the ministers put some of the local authority leaders you mentioned in parts of the north of england, and also from the labour party and others here in westminster, and those are what is the evidence the restrictions that are already in place are working in terms of limiting the spread of coronavirus, and if they are not working well enough or too confusing what are you going to replace them with? we've gone some way to addressing the first today with a meeting for mps representing constituencies in the midlands and northern england led by the health ministers and the chief medical officer for england where
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mps were presented with some evidence, albeit limited that exposure to of the 19 does happen in hospitality settings. i think that's an attempt to at least provide some assurance or some evidence that the 10pm curfew is based on some sort of scientific methodology. in many parts of europe, infection rates go up and new restrictions are coming in. we're going to talk about spain, italy, and germany. first the czech republic. it currently has the worst infection rate in europe — with 327 cases per 100,000. its prime minister is warning of a ‘danger zone' and that hospitals could soon be overwhelmed. these are pictures from prague. this is a drive through test centre. we're told from monday next week all theatres, cinemas and indoor sports grounds wil close for 1a days. next — madrid. a court has struck down a national government order which put the city
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and nine neighbouring areas in partial lockdown last week. the judges ruled the order violated "fundamental rights and freedoms." madrid's infection rate 591 cases per 100,000 residents — that's twice the national average. here's spain's health minister reacting to the ruling. let us always think first of sick people, their families and health workers. on this basis, guided by the experts recommendations, we will make legal decisions that best protect public health. we are sure that the regional government of madrid will agree with this approach." the ruling means police won't be able to fine anyone for leaving shops, restau ra nts a nd bars after set curfew times. and the timing of this matters. spain is heading into a national holiday — and people usually leave the cities for as long weekend. but madrid's president is clear on what people should do. we ask the people of madrid once
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again not to leave madrid and to follow all the health recommendations, especially in the next few days." covid rules have been at the centre of a political impasse between madrid's centre—right regional government and the centre—left national government. guy hedgcoe can explain that. a central government thought they we re necessary, a central government thought they were necessary, the local conservative government here in madrid thought they were not. that they went over the top. a lot of people were divided almost along political lines. many people felt they were necessary, but other people said as there were the top, you cannot close down the whole city and nine other surrounding cities just like that. that's too much when it comes to trying to control that. it was a very divisive set of restrictions. next — italy — where facemasks must now be worn outside and indoors — except in private homes. mark lowen is in rome.
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italy has, for now, largely avoided the worst of the spike in infections that other countries in europe are seeing. but cases here are raising 20. at the same level now as they we re 20. at the same level now as they were in the middle of april, and so in order to combat at the italian government has introduced new measures, the latest of which is to require mandatory mask wearing outside across the country. the one exception is if you are in a very isolated place, so for example if you're on the beach we are required to have the mask with you but not necessarily to where it if you are a long way away from other people. the government has he recommended you are endorsing your own home that you wear a mask if you're mixing with people were not from your household. next to germany. after cases rose by almost a third in one day. angela merkel says she doesn't want a repeat of the spring. i think we can all agree on that. here'sjenny hill is in berlin.
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rather fortuitously the health minister planned a press conference this morning to update journalists on the general corona situation. his basic view is that the authorities are concerned. they see the situation is still under control, the numbers are still relatively low but they are really worried that germany will squander the advantage that it managed to achieve over the last few months getting the initial outbreak under control. seeing these new numbers today representing a sharp increase in previous days. so we are starting to see some restrictions, usually coming into place yesterday and members of the 16 states decided that people who live in so—called hotspots, high—risk areas with a number of cases exceeds 50 per 100,000 inhabitants will no longer be able to go and stay overnight as tourists and hotels anywhere else in the country. the authorities have the autumn holidays which are coming up here. here in berlin there's
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restrictions on the sale of alcohol after a certain time at night, restrictions and the number of people that can gather at night. brussels next — which is also experiencing a sharp rise in infections. all bars and cafes will close today for at least a month. and drinking alcohol outdoors is also now banned. gavin lee is in the belgian capital. these are drinking establishments around here, cafes close to the commission council. lots of diplomats and nato staff, and people who are living here as well. close from today in the situation in brussels is stark. the original president, this is a regional position by the authority on top of at the belgian government has already done to tighten restrictions here, they say that out of every seven people tested, one out of every seven is coming back with a positive coronavirus result. they said that people have become complacent and gotten fatigue and have started particularly in cafes
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and bars meeting in bigger numbers and bars meeting in bigger numbers and describe them as contamination hotspots. they are now close for a month. hello there. earlier read temperatures into the high teens across our southern parts of the uk. for all of us the next few days as we head to the weekend it will be feeling colder by day and by night as well. with sunshine and some showers. a good day today for chasing rainbows as we saw here in scotland where there has been the book of the showers. for the south local out has been freaking out, it did take a lot to think and break in cambridgeshire and across other southeastern parts of england. clear skies are following on through this evening and for much of the night, for the north in scotland we see cloud coming in rain as the wind picks up blowing it down into northern england in north wales by the end of the night. i have it with clear skies it will be recorded than it was last night, five or six degrees and a touch colder than that in the glens of scotland
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where after the overnight rain we are seeing sunshine and showers following in. that rain moving south from north england and wales, into southern afternoon, it could be heavier by then. the russian showers finally behind, some of these heavy with hail and thunder and the north—west of the uk where the winds will be stronger and it will feel colder. look at the temperatures in the afternoon, typically 11 degrees on friday afternoon maybe making 15 in the south—east ahead of that rain where that rain will give us a wet and to the day. cooler air coming across the country all the way from iceland in a north to northwesterly airflow, high pressure to the west of the uk, low pressure to the east as well. that will feed in a mixture of sunshine and showers over the weekend. saturday the bulk of the showers for northern and western areas, it could be areas as well for much of the day eastern england likened to be dried with some sunshine at times. but there will be a chilly wind blowing on saturday and thus temperatures other than 12
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or 13 degrees. for the second half of the week and it will be a cold surface of the wind strongest on the eastern side of scotland. north sea coast of anga and here we are more backward to catch a few showers. many other areas may well be dry with sunshine and it won't be as windy but not getting much warmer. again 12 or 13 degrees and those temperatures may not change early next week as well.
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hello, i'm ros atkins. this is outside source. the fbi has foiled a plot to kidnap gretchen whitmer, the governor of the state of michigan. federal and state law enforcement are committed to working together to make sure violent extremists never succeed with their plans. particularly when they target our duly elected leaders. six men have been arrested, accused of planning to abduct the democrat at her holiday home — and then overthrow the state government. the mike pence and kamala harris debate was a draw, according to most observers. we'll pick through what happened in the vice presidential debate. lawyers who help asylum seekers try to remain in the uk have told
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this programme they're receiving threats online — on a daily basis. we'll bring you that story. and, we'll be looking at why a bizarre collection of false conspiracy theories — qanon — has become a concern, qanon has really move from what was a bunch of kind of misinformation in general to actually planning different types of violence in the real world. -- conspiracy theories — qanon — has become a concern, in the mainstream. let's look at the reaction to last night's vice presidential debate. the whole thing was dominated by covid — right down to how it was organised. mike pence and kamala harris locked horns as best they were able to. seated four metres apart, separated by plexiglass. it was a visual metaphor of how the virus has impacted many aspects of life in america — and a practical precaution, given how's the virus has been spreading inside the white house. covid—19 was the main subject too.
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senator harris said the trump campaign had forfeited its right to re—election because of how it handled the virus. the american people have witnessed what is the greatest failure of any presidential administration in history of our country. the american people have witnessed what is the greatest failure of any presidential administration in history of our country. and here are the facts. 210,000 dead people in our country and just the last several months. over 7 million people who have contracted this disease, and here's the thing. onjanuary 28th, the vice president and the president were informed about the nature of this pandemic and they knew what was happening and they didn't tell you. the vice president came to utah ready to defend the administration's record. i want the american people to know that from the very first day, president donald trump has put the health of america first. before there were more than five cases in the united states,
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all people who had returned from china, president donald trump did what no other american president had ever done, and that was he suspended all travel from china — the second largest economy in the world. now, senator, joe biden opposed that decision. he said it was xenophobic. this debate was totally different to the presidential match up last week which was marred by insults and constant interuptions. instead, the two candidates were largely civil and actually debated one another‘s policies. nada tawfik was watching for us in salt lake city. the rule of thumb with vice presidential debates is do no harm. well, both of these vice presidential nominees got through the night unscathed without any embarrassing sound bites, and they both proved to be prepared and polished even dodging questions from the moderator that didn't help with their messaging. voters probably know more about mike pence than they do his opponent.
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in the democratic primaries, kamala harris took positions that were considerably more liberal on key issues than the man who is now her boss. republicans are trying to press the message that if kamala harris were to succeed joe biden as president, she would take america to the left. she could not answer the question about whether she would expand or what is referred to as packing the supreme court with liberal justices which is a huge concern and fear for conservatives and even those who would consider voting for biden on the right, and she could not answer that question directly. and so, again, i think for any independent or any centre—right person who would consider voting for biden, kamala harris continues to put them on edge. the debate itself may have been a relatively straight up and down affair — but on social media inevitably disinformation soon began to spread — as it does about most things
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in politics these days. we rely on marianna spring the bbc‘s disinformation reporter to sort out fact from fiction. here's her analysis. a lot of the disinformation we've seen circulating online has focused on this outbreak of coronavirus in the white house with lots of people suggesting that mike pence, who had a very red eye, could actually also have contracted coronavirus. this image has been shared across facebook and twitter and used to fuel this claim. however, not only is this a rare symptom of the disease, but mike pence has repeatedly tested negative for coronavirus. so, there's actually currently no evidence to back up this claim. on the other side in lots of pro—democrat and anti—trump facebook groups, people have been sharing a false claim that was made by kamala harris during the debate. she said that president trump had called the pandemic a hoax and he actually has never called at that. he's spread a great deal of misinformation about coronavirus but that's one of the things he hasn't said and a quote that we have seen taken out of context on social media a lot
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in recent weeks. a lot of people will not tune into the debates, especially the vice president's one, but they will be seeing these memes and claims spreading on their social media feeds, they might come across some in a facebook group or on an instagram story. it is really important that we talk about this alternative conversation that is happening online whilst the candidates and their fights presidents talk about guns and laws and pandemic, alot of people willjust be hearing about conspiracy theories or allegations that are totally untrue or online. —— the candidates and their vice presidents. and that could end up impacting what they do on polling day. during the debate the word "fly" began to trend worldwide. that's because one landed on mike pence's head during the debate. and it stayed there for around two minutes. generating an awful want of attention. the biden campaign tried to capitalise, posting on twitter a picture ofjoe biden holding a fly
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swatter with the caption... —— an awful lot of attention. his campaign also posted swats away flies and lies... ican i can assume they can keep going with this stuff. reasonably weak gas in the vice presidential campaign but they got them out quickly. —— week gags from vice president biden. this event was of greater importance than vice presidential debates usually are, for the obvious reasons. one of the men running to be president has coronavirus, and donald trump and joe biden are both well into their 70s. so in this election, the candidates for vice president are more than just supporting players. here's nada tawfik again. this debate was also a look into the future of the democratic and republican parties. remember this is a historic debate in the sense that kamala harris was the first woman of colour on the debate stage at a national level. and for her, she used that spotlight to really introduce herself once again to the american people. from mike pence's perspective, he needed to get suburban women onboard with the campaign and he really did walk that line between trying to dodge questions,
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interrupt the moderator without seeming too rude to kamala harris throughout the debate. overall, this didn't really change the course of the debate but certainly shows the sharp contrasts on the ballot in november. we've been talking a lot about the conflict between azerbaijan and armenia in the disputed region of nagorna—karabakh. today, three journalists were injured, one of them seriously, by shelling in the town of shusha. azerbaijan has been laying seige to the town, which is held by armenian forces. this cathedral in susha is also said to have been damaged by shelling — armenia is blaming the azeri military. more than 300 people have died since fighting broke out on the 27th of september. nagorno—karabakh is officially part of azerbaijan but has been run by ethnic armenians since the early 1990s. a number of towns and cities have been hit by shelling in the last few days, they are marked here in purple. the yellow territory to the south is where active fighting is taking place, shusha is just to the
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north of that area. but the city of goranboy, north of shusha, in azerbaijan has also been hit by shelling, this time blamed on armenia. our international correspondent orla guerin is there. the newest victim of a decades—old conflict is brought home for the last time. she was the victim of indiscriminate showing by armenian forces. but both sides in this conflict are guilty of that. this mourner cries out, "god killed the armenians!" the azeri community steeped in its own painjust like their enemies across the front line. here on the left was a 63—year—old
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widow. her neighbours deep in shock just hours after the attack. translation: on that she was a single woman and she wouldn't leave her house. we we re she wouldn't leave her house. we were asking her to come to us. say to ted merker with us or come to our relatives. —— she said they wouldn't be able to hit us. but they did at 630 in the morning. her six certainly in anguish says azerbaijan will carry on fighting for nagorna—karabakh for zah —— her sister—in—law. .. nagorna—karabakh for zah —— her sister—in—law... " nagorna—karabakh for zah —— her sister—in—law. .. " nagorna—karabakh is ours" she tells a facet "it was ours and it will be ours. long live azerbaijan. our sons and brothers are fighting now and i know they will fight to the end." for many here, it has already been a long
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battle. they were driven from the disputed region during the war in the early 905. they say it is occupied territory and part of their motherland. there is a real sense here of shock, of grief, and of angen here of shock, of grief, and of anger. thi5 here of shock, of grief, and of anger. this was a woman killed in her own home in her own bed. every fresh attack, every new death add5 to the bitterness here which already stretches back for decades. a5 to the bitterness here which already stretches back for decades. as she was buried, ru55ia, france, and the us were pushing for a cease—fire. for now, there is no sign of that. no respite for those who mourn, he or inside nagorna—karabakh. orla guerin, bbc news, azerbaijan. stay with us on outside source — still to come...
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we will look at outright false because receipt theories going under the name qanon and how does making big social media platforms take interventionist action. —— how it is making big social media. the government's being urged to do more to make sure that — post—brexit — farming and animal standards are guaranteed in law. the celebrity chef jamie oliver is one of those lobbying the government, as our political correspondent alex for5yth has been finding out. british farming has to follow some pretty strict rules to protect both the animals they rear and the food they produce. since brexit, there's been a campaign under way to make sure those same standards apply to food produced in other countries the uk might trade with, and they have got some high—profile backing. there's hundreds of banned pesticides and herbicides that we don't use in britain that they do in north america. a bad trade deal is bad for public health. my main concern is child health, my main concern, but then of course its public health — their parents are
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pretty important too. then you have farming, we have got a farming community that holds some of the best standards in the world. if they have to fight against an influx of lower standard products, they're not geared for that. the government has repeatedly said standards won't be compromised, but campaigners want the promise to be legally binding. no one person should ever be able to promise the british public that it will all be all right. that's why we have legal frameworks. blooming hell, all we're asking for is a debate in parliament and not a back door to do a quick deal. you know the government has set up this agriculture and trade commission which they say can oversee the trade deals, make sure the standards are up to scratch. why is that not enough? because they don't have any legal power, as far as i can work out, so for me it just feels like a gesture to shut everyone up. despite the government's reassurance, there's pressure building here too. next week the agriculture bill is before the house of commons, that's part of a framework for food and farming after brexit. the government has repeatedly
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promised food standards won't slip in future trade deals. but some mp5, including some conservative backbenchers, want that written into law. ministers, though, say they simply won't sign a deal that this is outside source live from the bbc newsroom. our lead story is... the fbi arrests six men for plotting to kidnap gretchen whitmer, the democratic governor of the state of michigan. these pictures are coming in — a massive fire has engulfed a residential building in the south korean city of ulsan, forcing hundreds of evacuations. the fire is reported to have started on the 12th flood of the building just after 11 o'clock at night. —— on the 12th floor of the building. every week we produce a video for the bbc news website that looks in depth at one of the main stories of the week. and this time, we're going online. a bizarre unfounded malicious conspiracy theory has shifted from the message boards
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to the mainstream. qanon has really moved from what was a bunch of misinformation in general to actually planning different types of violence in the real world. and now the world's most popular platform is trying to stop it. but can qanon be contained? well first let's deal with what it is. qanon is a conspiracy theory movement built around two central false beliefs. one, that q is a powerful person, perhaps even president trump, who posts clues to guide followers towards the truth. and two that president trump is waging a war against satan—worshipping paedophiles among the world's elite. a complete lack of evidence hasn't stopped qanon. it began on the message boards achan and 8chan, before rapid expansion on facebook, instagram, twitter, reddit, and youtube.
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and during the pandemic — interest has surged. in response we've seen the platforms take action. in july, twitter banned thousands of accounts. now facebook is doing the same... twitter says it wants to prevent qanon causing "offline harm". but what danger and harm are we talking about? well that brings us to the crux of this issue — how oanon's malevolent misinformation connects to democracy and violence. on violence — here we have the fbi in 2019 — saying qanon is... one man barricaded himself to a bridge near the hoover dam with an armoured vehicle. another shot dead a new york mob boss. he scrawled "q" on his hand in court. there are other examples including murders and attempted kidnappings. then there's democracy — and in particular oanon's impact on the us election. a great deal of people who are not particularly political may have been converted via facebook or other social media groups and now
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have very bizarre ideas about the democratic party. certainly qanon is often visible when trump supporters gather. it's also influential in protests against covid restrictions. qanon's misinformation is definitely impacting america's democratic discourse. but containing it — well that looks close to...mission impossible. you suspect facebook is well aware of this. it's statement on closing qanon accounts says... i'd add months and years to that. for four reasons. first, oanon's messaging and location constantly evolves. honestly, they are up against an idea. and that is going to be a bit of a whack a mole across social media for quite a while. second, there's no agreement on what online content is ok. here's mark zuckerberg in may... the internet is full of people saying
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things that are incorrect. is it realistic or even desirable to try and stop that completely? these arguments are not settled on facebook or elsewhere. point three concerns the practicalities, the very nature of the web. this is thejournalistjames ball. across the open web there are millions of websites but it is much more complex tackling them. the tech giants can clearly do more but we cannot expect them to police the entire internet. and the fourth point is this. it became sort of a whirlpool of all sort of constrictive theories. —— conspiracy theories. the more qanon becomes a catch all for spiralling distrust in authority, the harder it is to contain. meanwhile the qanon story has reached this inevitable moment. the new york times reports... which of course it isn't. but the ban and their reaction to it is proof of the strength of their convictions — and is the other reason why containing their movement remains
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profoundly difficult. this week we've seen lawyers accusing the uk government and some uk imigration lawyers say they're being threatened and abused daily — and have accused the government and some media outlets of stoking hostility towards the legal profession. one lawfirm... last week, the mail on sunday and mail online reported that "taxpayers foot £55million bill for lawyers blocking deportation flights of channel migrants". that same day, the home secretary priti patel said this. and for those defending the broken system, the traffickers, the do—gooders, the lefty lawyers, the labour party, they are defending the indefensible. and that we heard the same langauge from borisjohnson this week,
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while he was promoting a pledge to increase the number of police officers on the streets. and stopping the whole criminal justice system for being hand strong by what the home secretary would dou btless by what the home secretary would doubtless and rightly call the lefty human rights lawyers and other do—gooders. —— from being hand strong. the law society said his ‘divisive language' puts lawyers and their clients at risk. it tweeted. .. attacks on members of the legal profession for doing theirjobs it was also critical back in august, when the home office posted a video on twitter accusing migrants' lawyers of being "activists". here's a screenshot from the now—deleted clip. it said the current asylum system was "open to abuse", allowing lawyers to "delay and disrupt returns" of people. the law society said the video was "misleading and dangerous" and the home office said the video "should not have been used on an official government channel" and took it down. then in september — the daily mail had this story with the headline: "the kingpins who operate the channel trafficking rackets and the uk lawyers who coach
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asylum seekers to help them avoid deportation." zeena luchowa from the uk law society. are you aware of circumstances in which workers would coach assignment seekers or refugees?” which workers would coach assignment seekers or refugees? i can say that iam not seekers or refugees? i can say that i am not aware of that and i certainly can't comment on any individual cases. what i can say however is where instances such as this do exist, there is a process for this. there is a rigorous process and lawyers would be disbarred for that sort of thing. but do you agree than more broad with priti patel‘s discussion of a broken system that needs overhaul? in terms of what priti patel has been saying and more recent in the prime minister of the broken system and activist lawyers, what is
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happening here and in terms of what lawyers are doing is upholding the rule of law. they are looking at which intimate ways for individuals, often vulnerable individuals, to ensure their status in the uk. in terms of whether it is a broken system or not, i think we have to look here at the statistics. 73% of asylu m look here at the statistics. 73% of asylum applications do eventually result in a grant of a decision. so in terms of a broken system, it is really looking at the quality and level of decision—making here. really looking at the quality and level of decision-making here. not the first time we have heard conservative ministers being critical of the immigration situation in the uk but in terms of what the —— the uk law society is expressing, would you say that the rhetoric is different in the last few weeks? yes it has been very
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concerned about the rhetoric coming out when ultimately lawyers are trained to do theirjobs. and in line with what they are permitted to do. it is about upholding the rule of law, ensuring that there is a fairand due of law, ensuring that there is a fair and due process. when it comes to decision—making where decisions are approved, these cases can be challenged at court. these are decided byjudges who are the ones who decide if cases are well or not. and what has been the consequence of that rhetoric? but we have certainly seen a that rhetoric? but we have certainly seen a lot of threats within the legal profession aimed at legal professionals and it is an unwelcome distraction from them being able to do theirjob in what is already a tricky environment. it is a complex
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area asylum law. and as i say these lawyers are simply ensuring that individuals are able to be aware of their legal rights and their legal rights at the legal sager by challenging unlawful decisions. zeena luchowa from the uk law society. thanks for joining zeena luchowa from the uk law society. thanks forjoining us on bbc news. the american poet louise gluck is the winner of this year's nobel prize in literature. she's one of 16 women to have won the award. these are images of louise gluck receiving the us national humanities medal from president obama in 2016. her poetry focuses on the reality of being human, dealing with themes such as death, childhood and family life. let's have a listen to her reading a poem from her collection ‘faithful and virtuous night‘ it came to me one night as i was falling asleep that i had finished with those amorous adventures to
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which i had long been a slave. finished with one of, my heart... to which i responded that many discoveries awaited as helping at the same time i would not be asked to name them, for i could not name them. but the belief that they existed, surely this for something. just before we wrap up up this hour, a reminder of our weed to start coming from the state of michigan in the us, an extraordinary story where six people have been arrested suspected of wanting to kidnap the state governor, a democrat and to further use that kidnapping to overthrow the state government as well. quite an extra ordinary story, we spoke to an expert in domestic extremism earlier who perhaps wasn‘t as surprised as perhaps some of us watching this story play out. we will keep you
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up—to—date on that. thanks for watching. hello there. earlier we had temperatures into the high teens across our southern parts of the uk. for all of us the next few days as we head to the weekend it will be feeling colder by day and by night as well. a good day today for chasing rainbows where there has been the bulk of the showers. although quad has been breaking up it did take a while to thin and break in cambridgeshire and across other southeastern parts of england. clea rest guys are following southeastern parts of england. clearest guys are following on through this evening and much of the night. further north in scotland we see cloud coming in, rain blowing that down into northern england and wales by the end of the night. it‘ll be colder than was last night,.
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clear skies are following on through this evening and for much of the night, for the north in scotland we see cloud coming in rain as the wind picks up blowing it down into northern england in north wales by the end of the night. you can see the rash of showers following on behind. some heavy with hailand following on behind. some heavy with hail and thunder in the north—west of the uk with the wind will be stronger and feel colder. look at the temperatures in the afternoon, typically 11 degrees on friday afternoon may be making 15 in the south—east ahead of that rain where that rain will give us a wet and to the day. cool air coming right the way down across the country from iceland in a north to north—west of the airflow. high—pressure to the west of the uk, low pressure to the east as well. that will feed in a mixture of sunshine and showers over the weekend. the bulk of the showers saturday for northern and western areas, some could be heavy but the east of england likely to be dry with sunshine at times. there will
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bea with sunshine at times. there will be a chilly wind blowing on saturday and the sceptres know better than 12 or 13 degrees. for the second half of the weekend, it will be a cold start. the wind strongest down the eastern side of sutton, north sea coast of england and here we are more walking to catch a few showers, many other areas may well be tried with sunshine at times and it will not be as windy but not getting much warmer. 12 or 13 degrees. those temperatures may not change a great deal early next week. it does look cloudier and wetter on monday. some more which whether continuing into to say particularly across the south—east of the uk. —— some more wet weather.
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this is bbc news. the headlines at 8pm: another big rise in coronavirus infections as hospitals gear up for the next wave. 17,500 new cases of covid—19 were recorded today. tighter restrictions to control coronavirus are expected in the worst—affected areas of england next week. nottingham now has the highest rate of covid—19 cases in the country, moving above manchester, liverpool and knowsley. we‘ll speak to one of their mp5. i think this was a blessing from god that i caught it. president trump claims he‘s no longer contagious but refuses to take part in next week‘s presidential debate after it‘s made virtual.
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