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this is bbc news with the latest headlines. borisjohnson calls his cabinet ahead of announcing tougher restrictions as ministers reject claims political leaders in the north have been left out of the decision making. you say that there is anger in the north. there is. but the measures we are bringing in here are universal, these apply across the whole of the united kingdom and there is nothing that we would ever do that penalises one part of the country over another. i haven't felt anger like this towards the government since i was growing up here in the 19805. people feel that they haven't just been abandoned by the government, they feel that the government is actively working against us. a warning from england's deputy chief medical officer that the country is at a tipping point in the fight against covid—19. margaret ferrier, the scottish mp who took public transport knowing she had coronavirus,
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says she acted out of character and refuses to stand down. rescuers search for survivors after a missile attack on azerbaijan's second biggest city as a brief truce in the nagorno kara bakh conflict shows signs of unravelling. the buildings here are clearly residential, these were apartments where people were asleep in their beds when the attack happened. and in half an hour, we look back at the summer of 2015, when more than a million people crossed into europe and find out what the situation is for migrants now.
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hello, welcome to bbc news. the prime minister will hold a telephone call with members of the cabinet this afternoon, to update them on the next steps in the fight against covid—19. tomorrow he will announce new measures, including a new "tiered" system of rules for england. liverpool is expected to be one of the areas placed under the tightest restrictions. ministers insist that the north of england is not being penalised as talks with leaders across the region continue about plans for further coronavirus restrictions. our political correspondent jessica parker reports. last night in liverpool. leaders have been told the city is set for the highest level of restrictions. police were out enforcing the rules as they are. but tougher ones could come, including further potential curbs on hospitality, pub closures. it is a disaster for the economy, for that business, but also for people's well—being because getting out, having a meal, having a couple of drinks, is very important. as of monday we are getting an announcement but we don't know
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what we are being announced to, you know. it is kind of like, is everything going to be shutdown? or are you just planning on closing certain things? like, nobody has any idea. just making things clear to the people and not patronising them and also not leaking things through the press, just tell them directly. large areas of the north already under extra restrictions wait for what's next. amidst the uncertainty there is anger as well, says labour, and worries that businesses are not going to get enough support. i haven't felt anger like this towards the government since i was growing up here in the 1980s. people feel that they haven't just been abandoned by the government, they now feel that the government is actively working against us. downing street has emphasised it is holding discussions with local leaders, talking to councils about giving them more control over test and trace, and ministers insist the north of england is not being penalised. you say that there is anger in the north. there is. but the measures that we are bringing in here are universal,
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these apply across the whole of the united kingdom and there is nothing that we would ever do that penalises one part of the country over another. the chancellor represents north yorkshire, i represent north nottinghamshire. neither of us would want to do anything that hurts the north or the midlands more than any part of the country, but it is right that we take a localised approach. the government has pledged to pay two thirds of people's wages where businesses are forced to close, but it's not just labour politicians who say that is not enough. i have called and made public demands that it has to at the very least leave packages alternate to the furlough march lockdown and anything less is not acceptable. ministers say support for affected businesses is part of an unprecedented package of measures and tomorrow we'll hear more on any changes to travel, new tiers of restrictions. the country, one top scientist says, is at a tipping point. out enjoying themselves last night people know change is on the way. jessica parker, bbc news.
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our political correspondent chris mason is here. a lot of frantic activity today and an announcement tomorrow. do we know what the broad outline of as been agreed. yes, we know the regions that i seen these spikes have been in conversation in the last couple of days on video conference with downing street and senior and cabinet ministers. they have been discussing what the restrictions might be in their particular regions. there has also been this heated row about the financial support that businesses and people within them will get if they are told to close. but at the heart of the discussion, as well as the local rows, and we have seen several labour mps rows, and we have seen several labourmps in rows, and we have seen several labour mps in greater manchester and indeed were conservative this afternoon, publicly speaking out and they don't think they should be put in the most severe tear of restrictions. in addition to that,
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there has been an intense discussion in government which has gone on for weeks about how you make this system work. crucially, what are the threshold? if you agree there are going to be three tiers and there is an element of simplicity there, all of england is in one of three, that is fine, but you have to define what cou nts is fine, but you have to define what counts as tier one, tear two and tier three. what are the criteria that allow you to jump from one to the next. to what extent are the criteria publish? how do you then unwind measures that are imposed? in all of these regions you might be subject to rules without an end to it. he put up manchester. the mp5 there and other local leaders say there and other local leaders say the demographic in manchester is largely focused on the student population and the wider community will be penalised and suffer as a result. that plays absolutely into the politics here. then you have different regions who might be
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politically aligned. we saw the labour mayors in four regions in the north during a joint news conference. but the epidemiology is different in different places. for insta nce different in different places. for instance in manchester, speaking to people there, they think, some hope, that restrictions there will be looser than the ones we might see on merseyside, for instance, in the liverpool city region. all sorts of ideas are being kicked around. we will not know the precise detail until tomorrow. it looks like pubs will close, there will be restrictions on restaurants, even talk on limitations on travel in and out. that is on the outer edges of the discussion. but we have seen it within counties in wales already. it seems to be in the mix. . originally the government because my view was that all this needed to be done in a centralised way that has changed, has it? the local approach, as these
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local leaders have been party at for months, is better? definitely edging in that direction. when robert jenrick who were sitting in this chaira jenrick who were sitting in this chair a few hours ago was asked about that, he acknowledged there would be a new role for councillors. precisely how that works and the financials as well, clearly that is crucial detail we do not have. it was quite striking he publicly acknowledged they needed to be a move in that direction, which is something we have been hearing from local leaders for weeks and weeks now. chris, thank you very much indeed. chris, thank you very much indeed. we are nowjoined in the studio by professor stephen reicher, who advises both the uk and scottish goverments on covid—i9, with a focus on behaviour. on that point, let's go back six or seven months and the messaging that was issued then. have things improved in terms of the message that government is sending out? well, we did pretty well at the
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beginning and the messaging was pretty clear and people understood what it meant to say stay—at—home. then when it shifted to stay alert at that point things unravelled. if stay—at—home was understood by 91% of the population, stay alert, how do you stay alert to a virus? it was understood by about a third. to that we have added complexity, different rules in different places, to the extent that the prime minister when questioned did not know exactly what the measures were. i think clarity has been undermined. the second factor which is important is consistency. i think people will accept measures if they think they are fairand accept measures if they think they are fair and necessary. but if they begin to believe that they are unfair, if they begin to believe they are being discriminated against, they will be much more reticent about going along with those measures. again we are seeing the emergence sense of unfairness,
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and north south divide. when you look at so—called lockdown measures, who are four times more likely to have them if you live in a deprived area. it is very important indeed to address that question of inequity. the final thing, and this is equally important, for a while the government has slipped into a blame narrative, telling the public it is oui’ narrative, telling the public it is ourfault if there narrative, telling the public it is our fault if there are spikes in infection. but you get infected if you are more exposed and there less privileged are more likely to be exposed. they are more likely to work in retail and cafe is, unlike professionals who can stay—at—home. people have not done anything wrong to get exposed and therefore rather than blaming people critical thing is to ask how we can support people, support them with information, support them with information, support them with making it easier to get tested, support them by making it easier to self—isolate and support them if you are asking them to close their particular facilities. you need a pivot that
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much more in terms of not how do we lockdown and restrict people, some restrictions are necessary, but how do we help and support people so that government is not seen as simply coming along and having a go at you, but the government is supporting us all to do the right thing and that is the way in which we will bring the infection down. and building on covid fatigue as well, i wonder if with your specialism in mine, about behavioural activity people, are you surprised that people still, according to the latest polls, happy to follow government advice, despite all those discrepancies that you just pointed out now. you're right. if you look at the polling that shows about 80% of people when you ask them say they always or nearly a lwa ys ask them say they always or nearly always follow the guidance. people on the whole believe that we should act more firmly rather than less firmly. if anything, the government has opened up too quickly and has
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not imposed restrictions enough. that is what the polling tells us. i think it's pretty clear. i think as long as there is that clarity, as long as there is that clarity, as long as there is that equity, as long as there is that equity, as long as there is that equity, as long as people are supported, people will go along with them. let me address the issue of fatigue. it is address the issue of fatigue. it is a very seductive idea, but it is a very dangerous idea. we heard it in march when people said people would not be able to stick with lockdown and we would have to delay. that delay, the week of the 16th to the 23rd of march, probably cost tens of thousands of lives. when we did lockdown people showed remarkable resilience. if people do not go for long with the guidelines, it is not necessarily because they are psychologically unable to do so, it is either because the information is poor or because they do not have the practical ability to do so. during lockdown the evidence showed poor people were three to six times more
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likely not to abide by lockdown than rich people. if you look at their motivation, it was identical. it had nothing to do with psychological weakness, it had everything to do with the practical difficulty of staying at home and putting food on the table. that is why it is so unhelpful and destructive to blame people when they get infected and you blame the public. much more we need a government which respects the public, which supports the public and which acts in partnership with the public. argument not be used for certain student populations? the stu d e nts certain student populations? the students are having the most terrible time, especially if they are in the first year, but there does seem to be evidence that they are not following the guidelines or indeed the rules. there is some evidence. insert in university towns. working in the media you know this better than i, of course a big house party makes a better headline
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rather than people behaving themselves and i2 rather than people behaving themselves and 12 people coming around. scottish picked up interesting evidence. they were called to 440 house gatherings, which 13, less than 2%, where large gatherings. the large majority were people slightly evading the rules. when police knocked on their door they said, why are you having a go at us? we are not having parties. if you set up the notion the problem is big house parties, it makes other people complacent and break the rules. there is not a lot of people doing terrible things and breaking the rules, no doubt there are a few people. it is not a few people doing really bad things, it is a lot of people breaking the rules a little. we have got to take our responsibility seriously, rather than thinking it to somebody else's full and problem. all the stories about house parties get in the way
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and misrepresent the phenomenon and it makes things worse by thinking it is somebody else's problem, it is everybody‘s problem. is somebody else's problem, it is everybody's problemlj is somebody else's problem, it is everybody's problem. i want to go back to the initial issue about clarity and face masks and the information has changed and trusted over the last few months. would it be better to have a clarity of message of where a face mask inside and outside because everyone knows thatis and outside because everyone knows that is the best way of protecting themselves and other people, even if themselves and other people, even if the science does not necessarily back that up. who knows what the science is on outside now anyway because it seems to change a lot?|j don't think the science changes that much. i think we have known all along that this is a disease that likes particular conditions. it likes particular conditions. it likes indoors, it lacks poor ventilation, it lacks crowding. it is important that while we have clear measures that suppress the pandemic we do not do too much so we can support people to maintain a social life. we can have encounters
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with people outside, as long as we maintaina with people outside, as long as we maintain a distance. doing more than is necessary undermines the credibility of the measures that are needed. certainly indoors and crowded spaces, we need to be very careful indeed. but, as i say, i think with a sensible approach we can get through this pandemic without doing too much harm to people either in terms of their health or their mental health, or indeed the economy. thank you very much forjoining us. thank you. since we have been speaking, some more good news for lewis hamilton. great news for lewis hamilton, he has won the eiffel grand prix to equal michael schumacher‘s record of 91 formula 1 victories. he started from second and overtook his team—mate valterri bottas, who started on pole position. on the 30
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lap valterri bottas was forced to retire and max verstappen could not catch hamilton, who claimed his seventh win of the season and another record. from one incredible sportsman to another. rafael nadal is taking on never djokovic in the french open final and he is showing he is the king of clay. he was untouchable in the first set by winning 6—0. novak djokovic at least is on the board and it is 1—1 in the second set. they are hanging out on juice at the moment. wales, top of theirgroup, are juice at the moment. wales, top of their group, are currently taking on their group, are currently taking on the republic of ireland in the nations league in dublin. one player tested positive in the irish team and another had to isolate. it is goalless at the moment. all the home nations are in action. england face the well‘s top ranked team at five o'clock. belgium is hoping to become
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the first team in a decade to beat england in three consecutive meetings. northern ireland had to play 120 minutes before going past bosnia on thursday are against austria. you can follow that coverage on radio 5 live and text commentary on the bbc sport website. four games taking place in the women's super league. arsenal were thrashed 5—0 in the early kick—off. arsenal maintained their perfect start to the season, which has seen them win all four of their matches so them win all four of their matches so far. everton have also kept up their hundred percent start to the season with a 3—1win over west ham. it is just season with a 3—1win over west ham. it isjust coming up season with a 3—1win over west ham. it is just coming up to half—time season with a 3—1win over west ham. it isjust coming up to half—time in the other matches.
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the premier league says proposals for the reform of english football could have a damaging impact on the game. the proposals are understood to be led by the champions liverpool and manchester united and have the backing of the fl chairman rick parry. one idea is reducing the premier league to 18 teams and scrapping the league cup in its present form. the plans will see the premier league give a £250 million bailout to the afl and 25% of its annual income. ashley young has tested positive for coronavirus in italy. club, inter milan, say the results are from a test yesterday at their training ground. the former england and manchester united player is isolated at home. england all—rounder ben stokes is back in action for the first time since the first test against pakistan in august. stokes has been in new zealand spending time with his dad who's
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been ill. stokes is playing for rajasthan royals today in their ipl match against sunrisers hyderabad. needing 159 to win, stokes opened the royals‘ reply alongside england teammate jos buttler and hit a four on his second delivery. but he was soon heading back to the pavilion, clean bowled in the very next over by kk ahmed. his side are 13 for one from overs. italy's danilo petrucci has become the seventh different rider to win a motogp race this year after victory at the french grand prix. the damp conditions at le mans caused chaos with valentino rossi crashing on the first lap. both british riders bradley smith and cal crutchlow also crashed out. alex rins hopes of winning disappeared with seven laps to go. there was no stopping petrucci though as he held on to claim his first win of the season. the last few minutes of portugal's river in korea has one of the g italia. follow that on the bbc sport website. rafael nadal is 2—1 up in
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the second set of the french open, after having won the first set. the scottish mp who refused to resign despite travelling from london to glasgow by train after testing positive for coronavirus has given herfirst interview since the incident. margaret ferrier told the scottish sun on sunday she had acted "out of character" and had made an error ofjudgement as connor gillis reports. margaret ferrier was elected as an snp mp in december and has been at the centre of a scandal for weeks now. ..commitment over the last seven months. this is her speaking in the house of commons. showing coronavirus symptoms, she had taken a test. after confirming positive, she decided to take the train back to scotland, claiming she doesn't have a flat in london and would have been forced to quarantine in a hotel. in an interview with the scottish sun, she said she panicked, it was a blip, the virus made her act out of character. she said it had been a highly stressful situation but she will continue to work. the mp also questions whether her hard work and dedication
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should be wiped away for an error of judgment. despite being suspended by the snp, there is still a sense of anger here in her constituency of rutherglen and hamilton west. also anger from the snp leader and scotland's first minister, nicola sturgeon, who described her actions as completely indefensible, reckless and dangerous. ms ferrier has today responded, saying she feels hurt by the criticism from people she considered friends and colleagues. she doesn't want to lose the money. everybody else would be sacked, fired or anything else and live on nothing. she should be the same and see what it's like for the people. i just think she's a silly woman. she really is, because i've not seen my family. i can't see my family, and it angers me. she was irresponsible, and mp5 should be people who set an example to the rest of the public.
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she has done the exact opposite and she should go. nicola sturgeon insists she has done all she can. no party leader has the power to make an mp resign from parliament, but i couldn't be clearer — she should step down from parliament. police are investigating this incident. for now, margaret ferrier clings on in the face of overwhelming criticism. connor gillis, bbc news, rutherglen. the ceasefire between armenia and azerbaijan brokered yesterday by russia has failed to last even 24 hours. the main city in the disputed nagorno—karabakh region has been hit by shellfire overnight and there are reports of civilian deaths in azerbaijan's second city, ganja. a senior azerbaijani official has told the bbc that baku is trying to stick to the ceasefire, but they have the right of self defence. our international correspondent orla guerin sent this report a short time ago. well, they are still searching
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here by hand, with dogs, and they have brought in some heavy machinery. you can see the extent of the destruction. it is over a really wide area. the buildings here are clearly residential. these were apartments where people were asleep in their beds when the attack happened at about 2am local time. we have seen mattresses and blankets strewn around in the rubble. a local explosives expert has said that the weapon used here was a long—range rocket. this was clearly a large—scale attack and we have seen no sign of any kind of military targets in this area. standing here now in the rubble, is the ceasefire dead? actually, it is hard to assess the situation. currently we are considering the situation. if armenia continues to attack azerbaijan civilians, then azerbaijan will be obliged to take necessary measures against legitimate military targets.
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but, as we stand here now, you were saying that they have fired at you and you are also saying that you reserve the right to retaliate. so which is it, are you sticking to the ceasefire, or are you going to retaliate for this attack? at this stage, we are trying to stick to the ceasefire regime. but, of course, if they continue to do so, attacking azerbaijani civilians, as every nation, we also have a right to self defence. and we also have a responsibility to ensure safety and security of azerbaijani civilians. now, there are accusations from across the front line that azerbaijan, too, has breached the truce. officials in nagorno—karabakh are claiming there has been shelling from this side towards rural districts. there is supposed to be a truce in place, mediated by russia, but when you look around here, it looks far more like all—out war than ceasefire. orala girl in
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oral a girl in —— orla guerin reporting from ganja. since the conflict between armenia and azerbaijan escalated last month, both sides have been lobbying for government and aid support around the world. armenia has a highly organised lobby in washington, and a louder global voice because of its large diaspora, particularly in france and the united states. it's estimated there are around 1.5 million armenians across the us alone. and as soon as the conflict broke out, the armenian community in los angeles began mobilizing to send food and medical equipment to the region. reality star kim kardashian—west, who has armenian heritage, has pledged to donate a million dollars to armenia. hi, everyone. it's kim kardashian west. i have been speaking about about the current situation in armenia, and having conversations with so many others to bring further awareness to the crisis that we cannot allow to advance. my thoughts and prayers are with the brave men, women and children. i want everyone to remember that, despite the great distance that separates us, we are not limited by borders. we are one global
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armenian nation together. president trump is no longer at risk of transmitting covid—19 to others, according to the white house physician. on saturday he delivered a speech to hundreds of cheering supporters from the balcony of the white house in his first public event since being hospitalised. first of all, i'm feeling great. i don't know about you, how is eve ryo ne don't know about you, how is everyone feeling? i want you to know oui’ everyone feeling? i want you to know our nation is going to defeat this terrible china virus as we call it. and we are producing powerful therapies and drugs and we are healing the sick and we are going to recover and the vaccine is coming out very, very quickly, in record time. as you know it is coming out very soon time. as you know it is coming out very soon and there are great, great companies doing it and they will be distributing it and we will to our military very, very rapidly. but questions have been raised over
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the safety of the gathering, after pictures showed hundreds of people packed tightly together. his democratic rival, joe biden, has once again called on the president to follow the guidelines on masks and social distancing. before i came out again today to go somewhere i had another test this morning. and i am clear. i think it is important that the president make sure of two things. one, that he is clear, he is not a spreader like doctor anthony 5g said, a super spreader. secondly, ithink doctor anthony 5g said, a super spreader. secondly, i think it is important that he makes it clear to all the people that they should be socially distanced. they should be socially distanced. they should be socially distanced. they should be socially distanced and wearing masks. that is the only responsible thing to do. 40 years ago ian curtis, the lead singer of band joy division, took his own life aged 23, after struggling with his mental health.
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now a mural paying tribute to the musical icon has been painted in manchester. kelly foran reports. # love, love will tear us apart, again...#. joy division, pioneers of the post—punk movement. but the night before their first big american tour, lead singer ian curtis took his own life after suffering from epilepsy and depression. he was only 23. his band—mate and friend says 40 years ago, mental health was, even more so, just something people didn't talk about. what he went through, you know, it must've been so difficult and, in funny way, i still live with the guilt of it, you know, survivor's guilt thing, so it's been a great help to me to realise that, these days, there's so much more help, and people need to seek it. this mural has been done for a manchester mental health festival this weekend,
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but will stay here for good. he caught the eyes magnificently, which was one of ian's striking features, his eyes, which always looked so warm and friendly and then he went and looked like a demon, it was fantastic. but behind those eyes were a sadness that he didn't share with many. ian suffered greatly, and i suppose one of the odd things about ian was that he soldiered on, and it didn't do him much good, sadly. and this is street artist akse's way of getting people to talk. it was a good thing to do, especially during this when lockdown has affected so many people. it is a critical issue. his murals have been changing the face of manchester. you might recognise a few. # walk in silence...#. i think there probably still is an image to some that street art equals graffiti, graffiti equals vandalism, vandalism brings down an area but,
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