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with me are comment and features editor of cityam rachel cunliffe and the daily mail's deputy political editorjohn stevens. now, tomorrow's front pages, they begin with the telegraph says the prime minister is to unveil tough new regional lockdowns which are expected to see closing time called for hundreds of pubs in the north—west of england for four weeks from 5pm wednesday. the metro are calling it "locktober". the paper says a new three tier system of local covid alerts will be announced, with some areas to see pubs and bars shut — along with beauty salons, gyms and betting shops — for up to six months. the times says it understands the strongest measures for areas a very high risk will be implemented for four weeks at a time before being reviewed, while local leaders will be offered the opportunity to go further with their own measures. the mirror says up to 85% of workers fearjob cuts as new restrictions on people's freedom are brought in.
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the mail says the prime minister is facing growing criticism — one former conservative minister writes that lockdowns are not working, and they are destroying livelihoods and creating untold damage and poverty. the guardian says the uk is at a critical moment as new restrictions are brought in. the papers says the prime minister will underline the gravity of the situation with a televised downing street press conference tomorrow evening. and in other news, on the back pages — telegraph sport splashes on proposals from some of the premier leagues biggest clubs for a radical overhaul of english football that would see the top flight reduced to 18 clubs and major competions scrapped. so let's begin... will start with the guardian. john, do you want to get us off? uk a critical point ahead of new covert restrictions. here we go again. so,
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over the last few months, we have had local lockdowns being the strategy. they have been different in different parts of the country, so in different parts of the country, so in order to simplify it for people to more easily understand what they are meant to be doing time of the government is bringing in this new 3—tiered system. so some areas will say they are medium risk, some will say they are high risk, and some people will be very high risk. and depending which risk category your risk area has been given, you have different restrictive than what you can can do. so as you say, borisjohnson announced this tomorrow in the commons comments this set up from the three tiers, how this will work over the next few months. at the one thing that's up in the air is which area is going to be in which tier and there has been a lot of wrangling going on over the weekend between the employees and the government. it sounds like liverpool is ready to accept going in that top tier, so they will have pubs shut down from wednesday and more restrictions on who you can meet
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outside your house. at other areas have been less keen to have this. we've had a lot of this going on over greater manchester and we have had politicians there come include tory politicians and mps saying, "hang ona tory politicians and mps saying, "hang on a minute, locking bars and restau ra nts "hang on a minute, locking bars and restaurants have put in a lot of work to make sure that they are covid secure it so that people can't catch the virus when they are in there." if you stop people going to there." if you stop people going to the pub, they arejust there." if you stop people going to the pub, they are just going to there." if you stop people going to the pub, they arejust going to be their friends at the pub, they arejust going to be theirfriends at home the pub, they arejust going to be their friends at home for a drink, actually, you have got a higher risk there of transmission of the virus. rachel, what is interesting, in the kind of detail of this story, the dispute over whether restaurants should also shut. so we have a definitional argument, should also shut. so we have a definitionalargument, because restau ra nts a nd definitionalargument, because restaurants and pubs feel that they are very similar places, because you have to be served at the table, most pubs, at least on the mainland of great britain, tend to do food as well as drink, and we have also got this question that we were hearing earlier on this channel from the leader of penned accounts all saying, "well, where is the evidence
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that people are transmitting this virus in those environments, are they more likely to be transmitting them in their homes than in places that are covert secure? "ij them in their homes than in places that are covert secure? " i don't think the evidence is there. it certainly wasn't there for the 10pm curfew. we know that that wasn't a result of scientific advice, that was a result of a compromised measures. that is what they came up with. i think one interesting detail in that story is local leaders and the people thought it was going to be a curfew situation for restaurants at least not being shut completely. a very similar challenge for the one nicholas turgeon faced earlier this week. she made a similar point about restaurants and i think cafes were allowed to stay open, at which point, the question becomes, how do you to find a cafe? what about a cafe that serves alcohol, or does serve alcohol, but is allowed to serve alcohol, but is allowed to serve food, but the puppets of solid food isn't allowed to serve commit all gets very confusing. and arguing
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about definitions. it's quite easy to laugh at that and laugh at it as a cafe come as a pup them is at a restaurant, until you realise that people's livelihoods are at risk and the difference in a definition could be the result, could determine whether or not their business survives, whether or not they have a job, whether or not their family is supported. so they are quite... the detail actually matters quite a lot. again, people asking very justifiably as discussed if people are not allowed to meet in the social settings which have put a huge amount of time and energy and investment and money into making themselves covid secure, i have never seen pub so themselves covid secure, i have never seen pub so clear and so well organised as they have been in re ce nt organised as they have been in recent months. they have to close now. people are going to find other places to socialise. i think what we are seeing as we places to socialise. i think what we are seeing as we are places to socialise. i think what we are seeing as we are coming to the end of human patients with isolation, that people have actually
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spent six months unable to socialise as they normally would with their friends and family and colleagues, they have had a taste of it, but are we really going to be telling people that was it now, now we are in anti—social behaviour for the next six months. i'm not sure that's where public approval is. it's interesting, looking at the front of the eye newspaper, that we have got a photo of two police officers out in liverpool city centre on saturday night. i guess the police are going to increasingly see a roll here, and it's going to be very difficult for them if there is a kind of public relu cta nce them if there is a kind of public reluctance to actually kind of challenge or take part in these rules. they are reporting a travel ban ahead with areas in lockdown, you want to be able to move in or out of those, tier 3a work or to go to school, to and from school, can we look at the ft, john, the commons page. i was very struck by its leader page. very struck by the tone of this. it echoes something that
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they wrote in the weekend ft on saturday where they were pretty excruciating about the premise or‘s strategic opponent —— approach. is that the tenor of this lead as well? yes, so the ft is arguing here that the government's eroding people's trust in following the virus restrictions by not having a proper track and trace system up and running. so people have done their bids, they have followed the rules, they have showed a willingness to do what the government says to do, but there have been problems with this track and trace system, they kept saying it was going to be world leading and world —class, it was going to be world leading and world—class, throwing out all these descriptions, it doesn't seem to be acting quite as well as it should be. people don't seem to have confidence in the system commit isn't anywhere near like places like south korea who have been so good at doing this sort of thing, but one of the positive changes out of the weekend has been that the government said it's going to use more local
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contact tracers, so it's been done centrally, but they have been struggled to get a hold of people, and when some people get a call on their mobile phone and it's an unusual number, they assume it's some sort of salesperson, actually come a contact racer. now they are going to start bringing in local people with local knowledge, and so you will have count they are —— they will have local councils helping them out, and they will be able to go knock on someone's door. you are more likely to cap someone when they are income and that seems a much more effective way of doing things. struck, rachel, by this, the way that the ft links the problems. describe some of them as fiascoes of the test and trace system with the risk to the credibility of the government's latest response, therefore, the public‘s willingness to abide, picking up on your point about whether patience has run out. i think the ft is spot on, and actually doesn't really go far enough when it comes to this issue. i think we have seen the most severe
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restrictions on civil and social liberties that we have ever seen in peacetime in this country. and overwhelmingly in march, people accepted because they understood that the risk was very very high, but also that the government had a crucialjob to do and the messaging was, "do this now, and we the government will put the systems in place, we will do the research, we will get the logistics sorted so that going into winter, which we know is going to be tough because of the seasonal flu and because of the changing weather, we will have come up changing weather, we will have come up witha changing weather, we will have come up with a plan because you the public stayed at home and you brought —— bought us that time." and the public more or less held up theirend of the the public more or less held up their end of the bargain. compliance with these incredibly draconian restrictive rules were kind of accepted. what did the government use that time for? it's very difficult to see those results, in fa ct, difficult to see those results, in fact, track entry system is an absolute scandal. barely a quarter
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of tests get done or get the results are in 24 hours, which is vital if you are trying to contact contact, and trying to encourage people to get those tests so that they can continue to go to work and school and feel confident that they are not going to transmit the virus to someone going to transmit the virus to someone else. i think the excel fee act so where 16,000 cases were just act so where16,000 cases were just lost because dido harding didn't do herjob properly and nobody — it didn't occur to anyone that maybe they should be handling this data in excel. we haven't mentioned domenic cummings at bernard castle, that may have an impact as well as they feel the government isn't abiding by the rules, then the snp and p who has broke the rules and not face any repercussions whatsoever. we need to have more acceptance that what we are asking people to do is incredible he hard. we are asking them to put their financial security at risk, their children education at risk, to really limit their own social contact, to put their own mental health at risk. why are they going to do that if the government isn't doing its job?
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going to do that if the government isn't doing itsjob? sol going to do that if the government isn't doing itsjob? so i thank you are going to see a lot more of this kind of erosion of public face in the restrictions and public compliance going forward. we got a lovely photograph on the front of the times. this is the royal ballet which is one of 1300 organisations the paper says which is going to share in £257 million to contribute to help the arts sector. it's a terrific photo. everybody there at least looks like they're having a good time. of course, plenty of theatres and entertainment venues not having a great time. hopefully, this money will be of use, particularly with these new restrictions coming in. i did promise, if you are watching our review at 10:30pm, that we would come up with a couple more cheerful stories. i've got one at least. john, do you want to pick up on this? this is about some new material that might make air—conditioning a little niss —— less essential in some building. yes, so there is a new material which takes the heat away from your body, and the people who have designed it say it so effective that
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taking the heat away from your body, that it taking the heat away from your body, thatitis taking the heat away from your body, that it is the same as being in an air—conditioned room, so if you have got these clothes on, it immediately ta kes got these clothes on, it immediately takes the heat away, if you are much cooler. does that appeal to you, rachel? yes, definitely. partly because air—conditioned temperatures are generally set by the majority of office users who tend to be men and tend to like the temperature lower than women do. this isjust science, that's metabolism thing, and i'm always cold and offices when they have i —— high air—conditioning commander for the people were wearing that might be slightly more comfortable. it also helped the environment, better for efficiency, better for ventilation if we are looking at kobe transmission risks, but for my personal point of view, yes. it feels like a lifetime ago when you two are in this building, but you will probably remember that actually, this building has a system thatis actually, this building has a system that is supposed to be green, which means that it uses the body heat that we generate, unfortunately there are so few people in the building at the moment, that i think it's 20 be a very cold november and
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december in here. but that is our problem, a lot of other people who have much greater problems to deal with. i wanted to and, if i could, rachel, on the times. this is ashley page two, not the front page, i'm cheating a bit. a good story, this, isn't it? this is trying to offer something to look forward to at christmas and the age of coronavirus. it's like santa claus, not an image i ever... who knew? ! is trying to say christmas by saying that the rule of six, which can only be six people should be doubled to be six people should be doubled to be the rule of 12 over christmas to allow grandparents and extended families to get together and not feel guilty. other tory mps are saying, we should describe scrap it will complete the over the festive period, i think that's something that may be the majority of the british public, as i would say, might choose for them, i think the bridge people will put up with a lot, but the government cancelling christmas probably not one of them. it is good to know that there is at least one cabinet member who
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recognises that —— the importance of family celebrations and is really trying to push for something that people will be able to look forward to. john stevens, rule of 12, citing more palatable rule of six? doesn't seem more palatable rule of six? doesn't seem that long ago since prince johnson said it was all going to be over by christmas, we would be able to get rid of all the restrictions completely, so i'd hate to sound like a grinch and not put that there is sexy much hope this happening. like a grinch and not put that there is sexy much hope this happeningm is sexy much hope this happeningm isa is sexy much hope this happeningm is a pretty bleak prospect otherwise, isn't it? finally, i wonder what you think would be the most useful thing that people could do as they prepared to hear the prime ministers speaking tomorrow in terms of understanding the regulations, because one of the difficulties we've heard is it was simple enough whenever buddy was affected the same way, it's a work —— a lot more competent now. rachel, what do you think would be the most useful thing? jenna tonic. john? i really don't know, i'm really not sure. “— really don't know, i'm really not sure. —— mac gin and tonic. really don't know, i'm really not sure. -- mac gin and tonic. you are going to be having a notebook and
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pen for all the details. limit i do know about you, i'm having a jenna tonic. you can have that as well. thank you as ever for being with us. coming up next, it's the film review. we will be back with more news at midnight. hello and welcome to the film review with me mark kermode. rounding up the best movies available for viewing in cinemas and in the home.

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