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this is bbc news with the latest headlines borisjohnson is to announce new lockdown restrictions for certain parts of england, as part of a new three—tier system. liverpool is expected to face the toughest restrictions with pubs and betting shops closed. the region's mayor says a deal is yet to be agreed. the only thing open to us is to try and influence the package of support. we have been negotiating since late friday evening and burning the midnight oil. talks have gone on way into the early hours. we wa nted gone on way into the early hours. we wanted to understand what the package was. the chinese city of qing—dao will have its entire population of nine million people tested for covid after a handful
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of new infections. the top us government scientist, dr anthony fauci, says a trump campaign ad that quotes him is misleading. the chief executive of british airways, alex cruz has stepped down from the role with immediate affect, as the airline continue its pandemic struggle. and, the premier league criticises a radical plan to shake—up english football. project big picture would see the top tier cut to 18 teams, and the league cup and community shield scrapped. towns and cities across england are bracing themselves for a tighter lockdown as more restrictions are expected to be brought in today. rules that could drive firms out of business and put more people out of work. borisjohnson is to announce
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a new system of "local covid alert levels" in england, following accusations of a lack of clarity in the various restrictions in place across the country. the prime minister will tell the commons there will be three categories. regions will be classified as being on "medium", "high" or "very high" alert but it's not yet clear which measures will apply to each category. it's expected the liverpool city region will be put on the highest alert level. in a statement, the area's leaders said they had been told pubs, gyms and bookies will close. john mcmanus has this report. it was a weekend of bar—hopping and socialising for some on the streets of liverpool, but later today, the government may announce that the party's over, for now. like other parts of the north west and north east of england, the transmission of covid—19 continues to rise. and after a weekend of negotiations between whitehall and local leaders, some likely measures are becoming clearer.
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it's expected that different parts of the country will come under medium, high and very high alert levels. however, the full restrictions have yet to be announced and they may vary between areas with the same alert levels. the full details will be confirmed by the prime minister when he addresses parliament today. the government says it's worked closely with regional mayors but there has been significant pushback. the leader of the liverpool city region says gyms and betting shops will close, alongside pubs in his area. but he says a deal hasn't yet been done and he wants crucial information. if the government can provide us with that scientific evidence that says that there are some outbreaks in gyms and other things that are on the list then we have to accept that. if not, of course, we will be asking them to release those restrictions as soon as they possibly can. as i say, we've got four weeks where we all have to abide by what the government are imposing,
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then after that, it's for us to hopefully put a case forward to say we should be going down to tier two. officials in manchester, meanwhile, says they've begun legal proceedings to challenge any closure of hospitality venues. several breweries have also joined the application for a judicial review. they say there's no scientific evidence to support the measures. there's real concern that some pubs might not survive a second closure. it's been a long weekend, shall we say, ever since friday's announcement when we didn't find out anything and now possible closure again. there's a lot of pubs that won't recover from this. other parts of england are also bracing themselves. nottingham has the highest infection rate and the council expects new restrictions to be announced today. whatever they may be, the direction of travel is becoming clearer. john mcmanus, bbc news. and the prime minister,
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the chancellor rishi sunak and the chief medical officer for england professor chris whitty will be holding a news briefing from downing street at around 6pm this evening — we'll bring that to you live here on bbc news. let's talk to two experts. joining me now is dr stephen griffin, professor in the school of medicine at the university of leeds and and sunetra gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology at the university of oxford. welcome both of you. what do you think is the best strategy for the government to take a head of the winter months now? i wasjust listening to the previous broadcast and this idea restrictions is a choice between partying and not partying has to leave our consciousness. we are talking about a choice between jobs consciousness. we are talking about a choice betweenjobs are nojobs, between starvation and no
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starvation. given that context, what we are proposing is, under the great barrington declaration, is the should try and shield the vulnerable, because we know now, what we do know is the virus specifically causes deaths in a segment of the population. we should put all our resources we have two shielding them or allowing them to make the choice to shield themselves, while permitting the general population to conduct their lives as normal, which will allow them to keep them theirjobs, allow children to be educated, allow young people to return to university, all of these things that are absolutely crucial, we can preserve those and the wonderful news is while they are doing that, they will build up immunity, which in the long term is
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the only way to protect the vulnerable. michael rosen says we must wash hands and all of that and thatis must wash hands and all of that and that is great, we must do all of that is great, we must do all of that as well but the only way we can really guarantee long—term protection for vulnerable people is by building up immunity in the population. 0k, by building up immunity in the population. ok, let's bring in dr stephen griffin, what do you think of that approach? it is important to say first of all that shielding was brought in as an emergency measure. i think there were serious issues of having this as any long—term strategy, ok? ithink having this as any long—term strategy, ok? i think ethically, having this as any long—term strategy, ok? ithink ethically, if you are asking for a section of the population to be segregated, whilst other people essentially go about what we think will be normal lives, conjures apple sorts of difficulties. at the same time, you are expecting the rest of the population to almost take this hit as the virus passes through our communities. we know this virus is not benign to those who would not be
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shielding. we know about long covid and other complications the virus can cause so there and other complications the virus can cause so there is a real issue there. logistically, how you go about identifying those people you wa nt about identifying those people you want to categorise as shielding is tremendously difficult. we don't understand enough about this virus to do that. i think it's a little scientifically naive to say we could do that because this virus is affecting our hearts, our lungs, our kidneys and potentially our brains and it is causing profound clinical problems. lastly, iagree and it is causing profound clinical problems. lastly, i agree that immunity really is the only way to combat this virus in the longer term but achieving herd immunity by acquired transmission and infection are something that doesn't really happen for the majority of clinically important infections we are experiencing and the best way to achieve that is by vaccine. no evidence suggests we are protected enough by herd immunity. sunetra
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gupta, your view is a minority view amongst the experts and scientists. how do you respond to some of those points from doctor griffin? 0k, there is a misconception about herd immunity. herd immunity is something that happens and allows us to contain infections such as the other coronaviruss, which also caused deaths in those who are vulnerable. largely, we manage influenza, although we still have io—20,000 deaths from that in this country but we tolerate that because we have come in the population, sufficient immunity to keep the risks of that virus low. so the idea that we can only achieve population immunity through vaccination is flawed. that is not correct. that is one way of doing it, a great way of doing it and it is possible for things like measles, where you do get natural
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lifelong immunity upon exposure. you can't have it both ways. you can't say we don't get natural immunity to coronavirus but we will be able to get a vaccine very, very easily. there is a link between the two which you can't have it both ways. i think a vaccine will do a really good job, i hope, think a vaccine will do a really goodjob, i hope, of protecting those who are vulnerable but i think that we are going to have to rely, as we do for many other respiratory diseases, on a wall of herd immunity oi’ diseases, on a wall of herd immunity or whatever population level immunity to protect the vulnerable. and are you prepared to manage those who have sometimes even a mild infection but have really horrible and debilitating long—term symptoms from covid? and debilitating long—term symptoms from covid ? do and debilitating long—term symptoms from covid? do you think it's a price worth paying? that is a phenomenon that we know about for all viral diseases. sure, i'm asking you do you think is a price worth paying? two things. first of all, i
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think it is we should be diverted more resources into and thinking about more carefully. sure, but is ita about more carefully. sure, but is it a price worth paying? is it a price worth paying? let's consider 130 million people are going to starve to death. if you think about it that way, yes. if i had it myself, i would rather have eight weeks of muscle ache and fatigue than allow 130 million people to starve. where have you got that figure of 130 million people starving to death if we don't do what? it is from the world bank. if we don't do? if we continue to impose lockdowns and restrict activity, economic activity. at the moment, there are people on this planet who are starving to death because of this. so that is where we are coming from. ok, do you accept those figures, dr stephen griffin,
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as professor sunetra gupta puts it? if we continue to impose lockdowns, 130 million people will starve to death, the source is the world bank? i have not heard those figures but i think there is an important point there. i must pick up the point about herd immunity. we don't have herd immunity against measles and we see that when our vaccination rates drop. we don't have herd immunity permanently to seasonal coronavirus and the majority of those infections are re—infections. that is why we keep getting colds. that is very well documented. there was a paper this week that told us about that in great detail. on to the point about lockdowns, no one is advocating that we should be in a state of lockdown perennially. that is not the way forward. that is not what the scientific advice has stated. the scientific advice has stated. the scientific advice has stated. the scientific advice is one relating to suppression of infection, which we know we can do with these measures
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and having an effective test and trace policy, such as in countries like south korea, taiwan and new zealand. the fact that has not happened is to do with policies, rather than scientific advice, ok? the scientific advice is to suppress this infection, which we know we can do, and to people people who would otherwise be shielding to have a long—term safe means of getting back into the community. we cannot ignore the people that have been shielding, let's not forget, since march. it was officially stopped in august that people who are actually afraid to go out of their doors because they could be infected with this virus have not changed their behaviours. this is a profoundly important point to make because these people are the ones that are going to have the consequences for walking out the door. i'm afraid as well, the last point, i'm sorry to go on, the long covid symptoms are notjust eight go on, the long covid symptoms are not just eight weeks of muscle aches. i think it's wrong to belittle that. long covid is a
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serious condition, people have been reduced from marathon runners to barely walking up the stairs. as we see an increase in transmission, we will see that more and more often. we already know there are students at manchester in intensive care, for example. to minimise the long—term effect of this virus and just focus on fatalities is a profound mistake and will overrun our nhs if we do this. thank you both very much. dr stephen griffin from the school of medicine, university of leeds and professor sunetra gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology at the university of oxford. the chinese city of qingdao says its entire population of nine million people will be tested for covid—19 after a handful of new infections were discovered. health officials say the testing programme will be completed within five days, and most of the latest cases were linked to a single city hospital. the response comes after 12 new cases were reported in the city on sunday. china has recorded low levels of infection since imposing stringent containment measures early this year after the first cases were recorded in wuhan.
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and by having an effective track and trace system. our correspondent steve mcdonnell has more from beijing. this is basically the way the chinese authorities are handling every outbreak here. ever since the initial huge cluster in wuhan, was got under control, every time there's even the smallest outbreak in any city, mass testing. it happened in beijing, with more than half the population here, and now with only a dozen cases, half of whom don't even have symptoms, they've announced that more than 9 million people will be tested in the coastal city of quingdao this week. now, of course, what worries the authorities there, is where the outbreak happened. it's at a chest hospital, which had been dealing with people who have turned up from overseas and tested positive for the coronavirus.
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including a taxi driver, for example. his wife works at the hospital. he has no symptoms, but she does. now, of course, they will be worried if he is driving around in a taxi, you're potentially passing on the coronavirus. if people who are working in that hospital are going out into the community, and somehow passing on the virus, then there has been a bit of a breakdown in the systems there, so the quingdao chest hospital locked down. all of the housing apartments where these people live also locked down. and this is again the way the chinese authorities deal with this. controlled lockdowns in very specific areas, where quite strict measures are imposed, but this is done in combination with mass testing. and so, by testing and tracing, you try and work out where people have gone and restrict any lockdown measures to where they have to be imposed, rather than across an entire city.
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the headlines on bbc news: borisjohnson is to announce new lockdown restrictions for certain parts of england, as part of a new three—tier system. liverpool is expected to face the toughest restrictions with pubs and bookies closed. the region's mayor says a deal is yet to be agreed. the top us government scientist, dr anthony fauci, says a trump campaign ad that quotes him is misleading. the labour leader kier starmer has accused the government of "treating local leaders with contempt" during the pandemic, saying the government has made a "major mistake" by not consulting them more in the crisis. our political correspondent — nick eardley is in westminster for us this morning. tell us more about this criticism. it's one of these questions that keeps coming up, which is should central government be introducing measures in areas or should more
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power be given to local leaders to come up with those restrictions? we are expecting the government to come up are expecting the government to come up with this three tier system later today, full details this afternoon. interestingly, negotiations are still going on with the liverpool metro mayor, steve rotherham, about what economic package needs to be put in to support people in the area if those restrictions are being brought in as we expect over the next few days, which would do things like close pubs. the labour leader keir starmer has been on lbc this morning saying he thinks one of the big mistakes the government has made is not listening to local leaders more, have a listen. i think everybody wants to know this. if an area goes into a restriction, how does it get back out again? because leicester has been in local restrictions now for over two months, and a number ofareas have been, for more than two months, and they're not able to get out of it, so the tier system
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is the first part of what we need from the prime minister, but there's a lot more than that we need this afternoon. i think we will start to get more of that detailed this afternoon on exactly the input to the local leaders will have into this process but i do get the impression the government is listening to some of these concerns, there will be a lot of negotiations with local mayors over the weekend, in part because some in government wanted to share this responsibility, quite frankly, and make sure there is as much buy into this restrictions as possible. and people around the country are waiting to hear how their lives will change after this announcement from the prime minister today? absolutely. we know there will be three tiers. the bottom will be medium, probably similar to what we have in many parts of england just now, with the rule of six. a high tier, at which point people will be asked to limit their social interactions, particular meeting other households indoors. then you will have the very high tier, the one we are expecting for liverpool,
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which will mean things like pub closures, potentially some bans on travel out of the area unless absolutely essential, as well. the big question that still remains about what that is going to look like, today anyway, is what support will be on offer for people in those areas. the chancellor has come up with this plan to pay two thirds of the salaries of people who work in places that are forced by law to close, which might work in areas where people are fairly well paid. if you are on the minimum wage, the argument is being made by local leaders that that will leave your two thirds of minimum wage, struggling to get by, struggling to make ends meet every month. i think it will be this afternoon before we know exactly what those support packages will look like. the prime minister is in the commons about 3:30pm and then a press conference with the pm, chancellor and chief medical officer and what this will all look like at six o'clock. thank you. this e—mail from
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all look like at six o'clock. thank you. this e—mailfrom a student all look like at six o'clock. thank you. this e—mail from a student at liverpool university. i am 20 and studying there. the university itself has done a very good job at at informing us in providing our own covid—19 testing centre. i understand cases in liverpool have been rising and continue to do so and will continue to do so unless something has changed but my opinion, gyms should not be in the same bracket as bars and pubs. they have social distancing, sanitation and everything the best it can be. pubs and bars have crowds, drinks and lots of uncontrolled situations, where most rules are broken. for many including myself, the gym is the main part of the day and for some the reason to get up in the morning. it supports mental health massively and health as a whole for everyone. a bar or pub is a luxury says emma, a gym is a necessity. stu d e nts says emma, a gym is a necessity. students have been treated unfairly in this pandemic, we have had a university experience stripped from us while paying the same price tag. is it more difficult the second time around i was asking? neil says yes, it's difficult and hard, it's been a
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difficult year but if people were more committed to looking down on a much stricterfashion, more committed to looking down on a much stricter fashion, perhaps the first one should have been for longer, it would be more beneficial in the long run. we can hearfrom our correspondent in liverpool today, dan johnson. they're nervous about exactly what's coming but they know some extra measures are needed because case numbers here have kept rising in the last few weeks, even though there have been local restrictions in place already. so, there's acceptance more is needed and there's an understanding that that is going to mean more social disruption and economic pain for this city and the region. but i think the real sticking point here has been the level of support that is on offer for people who are going to face disruption. the regional mayor was very clear that what he's expecting to be enforced here from wednesday as something similar to the original lockdown. that's the sort of level of disruption we're talking about and he says with that needs to be support for the workers who are going to be effectively furloughed again. the offer from the government
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is two thirds of pay. it's been pointed out here that so many people rely on low paid wages in the hospitality industry that this city is built on that that won't be enough. the other concern from local leaders is once they go into this lockdown, how do they get out? how are those measures released? what are the gauges of working out what the right point is to reduce that, so life can start to resume again here? otherwise, what people are seeing is that this may go on and on and the local lockdown here might exist right through the winter and people are saying that won't be sustainable, it will absolutely finish off their city's businesses. but no doubt they need to take action because case numbers have kept rising and hospitalisations are increasing as well. a really difficult balance the government has to find here, in working out what the right measures are as it tries to apply a simplified system across the country, it then has to work out what each city is going to fit into that system and what the right set of measures are for each place. a lot of difficult decisions to be
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made to get this right. yes, thank you, dan. geeta is in nottingham. let me read you this e—mail from jane. she says, hi, victoria. i live in nottingham. i am heartbroken because i have observed social distancing to the letter to protect my disabled husband and myself. i am so upset that nottingham is in the state it is, due partly to the large student intake. under new restrictions, i won't be able to see my son in sussex or my daughter in leeds for the foreseeable. what kind of life will that be for me? i'm 65 and i am devastated. i mean, what's to come is already hitting people hard, isn't it? yes, absolutely. there is that real sense of frustration at what might be about to happen. we know there will be further restrictions here. from what we know, anyway, currently, there is that sense of anticipation with no one knowing the exact details yet. even the local council here, nottingham city council, i heard from an official this morning who told me they don't know yet.
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what's widely sort of expected is the local authorities have advised people here not to mix indoors with other households. it's sort of expected that perhaps will be part of the restrictions must what everyone is waiting to hear is which tier will nottingham and nottinghamshire, which surrounds the city, which tier will it be placed in and what will it mean? of course, if it does go into the most severe tier, tier three, it could see the closure of some of the hospitality sector, places like pubs and bars. a leaked document on friday suggested it would be placed into tier two, but that hasn't been confirmed yet. and as you mentioned with that e—mail, it is how will people interact? what will they be able to do? what will be the impact on livelihoods? so, lots of questions. it's anticipated that the prime minister will make that announcement later today and, hopefully, that will give some people some comfort at least to know what they can and can't do.
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here is an e—mailfrom roger who says to blame hospitality sectors for the rise is wrong in a blanket closure will cause total devastation and brew into certain towns and cities. councils already have the powers to revoke licences from established nations —— micro establishments that don't follow the rules. businesses have spent money adapting them to be as safe as they should be. to penalised them in the same stroke as businesses and individuals who ignore the guidelines is wrong. this tweet on if it will be more challenging second time around, yes, mostly because the goodwill and trust of the people has been lost and the opportunity to get rid of covid has been squandered by inept politicians. another, yes, as i live alone and friends and pals have got new routines and habits. i don't see anyone any more and there is no musical gigs to go to, the local pub hasn't reopened. the only respite before was being able to go in the
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garden. now the next six months, the weather will be cold and wet. it is sad. kirsty says, the first time we knew the government needed time to sort out test, track and trace but now they seem to have wasted millions on a system that doesn't work effectively. if you are getting in touch, send me a message on instagram or twitter or you can e—mail me. some really good news now. more than 1,300 arts venues and organisations are to receive money from the government's culture recovery fund, to help them survive the pandemic. grants worth a total of £257 million have been announced — beneficiaries include the cavern club in liverpool and other theatres, museums and ballet companies across england. the funds are intended to help the organisations produce work and keep going until the spring. all pregnant women are being encouraged to take up the offer of a free flu vaccination before the winter. health experts say the jab is even more important than usual because of covid—19.
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more people have been offered the vaccine this year — anyone over 50 in england is also eligible. twitter has attached a disclaimer to another of president trump's tweets — saying it violated its rules on spreading misleading information about the coronavirus. mr trump tweeted that he was now immune to covid—19. scientists say the virus hasn't been around long enough to understand an immune response. mr trump made the same claim on fox news, after his doctor said he was no longer a transmission risk. the us government's top infectious disease expert doctor anthony fauci says comments made by him have been taken out of context and used without his permission in a republican party tv ad. his words that he "can't imagine that anybody could be doing more" to fight covid—19 appear in the ad to refer to president donald trump specifically. but dr fauci, who clashed with mr trump before on covid, was actually talking about himself and other public health officials. today, the senate is moving ahead
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with confirmation hearings for president trump's pick to fill a vacancy on the supreme court, amy coney barrett, an appeals court judge. her appointment would cement a conservative majority on the influential body, with enormous implications for the nation. the push is like nothing seen in us history so close to a presidential election. barbara plett usher reports. an already contentious candidate walking straight into pandemic politics. today, it is my honour to nominate one of our nation's most brilliant and gifted legal minds. amy coney barrett is a dream nominee for those on the right. she's of formidable intellect, a devout catholic, a super mum, and staunchly conservative. although here she tried to distance herself from partisan divides. if confirmed, i would not assume that role for the sake of those my own circle, and certainly not for my own sake. i would assume this
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role to serve you. this ceremony became ground zero for a covid outbreak. it appears to have infected two senators on the congressional committee that's questioning her. but nothing is getting in the way of the rush to confirm the new supreme courtjustice, the third nominated by president trump. the stakes are just too high. i will process this nomination, consistent with the rules of the committee, and, um, look forward to the coming days here. it's going to be a lot of fun. for republicans, because it's an unprecedented chance secure a conservative court for a generation, and recharge the election campaign by energising the base. yes, we can! for democrats, this is a nightmare. a job for life on a court that sets the nation's social and cultural direction on issues like gay rights, gun control, abortion, obamacare. i think this is less about her than it is about the targeting
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here of the affordable care act, of roe v wade, of obergefell. those are indisputably, you can take that right out of the republican party platform. you can take that right out of the words of president trump talking about it his appointees. amy coney barrett is the ideological opposite of the woman she'd be replacing — ruth bader ginsburg. liberal americans are afraid she would chip away at rbg's legacy. they're also furious about the politics. in 2016, republicans blocked democrats from filling a supreme court seat because it was an election year. but now that they're in power, they've changed their tune. if donald trump can secure a supreme court seat, even if he doesn't win the election, his presidency will be deemed a success by the ideological right, by evangelical christians — that's why they voted for him. and it will be remembered as a turning point for the nation on some of the issues that matter most to americans. barbara plett usher, bbc news, washington.
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hello, this is bbc news with victoria derbyshire. the headlines: borisjohnson is to announce new lockdown restrictions for certain parts of england, as part of a new three—tier system. liverpool is expected to face the toughest restrictions with pubs, gyms and bookies closed. the region's mayor says a deal has not been agreed. the only thing that is open to us is to try and influence the package of support, and so we have been negotiating since friday evening, late on friday evening and genuinely burning the midnight oil. talks have gone all the way into the early hours. because we are not going to roll over and just have our bellies tickled. we wanted to understand what that package was. the chinese city of qingdao will have its entire population of nine million people tested for covid after a handful of new infections. the top us government scientist, dr anthony fauci,
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says a trump campaign ad that quotes him is misleading. the chief executive of british airways, alex cruz, has stepped down from the role with "immediate effect". i live in nottingham says this year, i was dismayed to see pubs advertising last weekend at student parties on boards outside the pubs. i have lost all sympathy for them. tom says it is not more difficult this time around, it is just the willingness is not there, it is a case of why should i, and what difference will it make? topped off with no enforcement of the rules anyway. joe says don't ask me, i'm important, i can barely remember not being locked down. one more e—mail about the interview with michael rosen, the former children's laureate author, author of dozens and dozens of children's books and
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poems, craig says the interview with michael rosen was beautiful and he isa michael rosen was beautiful and he is a testament to those like myself who have had health issues in the past few months and he shows that life moves forward and we have to look for the positives. thanks for a positive outlook to start the week ahead, with whatever restrictions are brought forward. schools are re—opening in several countries in africa — after being closed for months because of the coronavirus pandemic. it comes as kenya and the united kingdom have announced a major summit on education — due to take place next year. let's cross live to nairobi — and speak to our senior africa correspondent anne soy whos in a school there and can tell us more. iamat i am at olympic primary school in kenyan's largest informal settlement and these children are coming back to school after a closing since march. many have told me that they are excited to be here. this class is normally so full. they have had to split up the pupils. this is just a fifth of that class. usually on a
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desk like this one you would have five children sitting, but because of social distancing rules, they've had to send others to other classes. they have decided that they will do what they call partial reopening, just three classes, reopening, or primary school high school and grade for school. this is experimental. i spoke to the education officials earlier and they said this would happen in the next two weeks and there would be discussions about whether to continue with this partial reopening or whether they will call back the rest of the school to come back, which is going to bea school to come back, which is going to be a struggle, for a school like this one, that has so many people in a slum, and they are taking out as many children as they can because facilities are limited and there are so many children that need to go to school. it is a balancing act for
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policymakers because, after seven months at home, some of the children have been exposed to exploitation, in different parts of the country, female genital mutilation, early marriages, teenage pregnancy, and for that reason, some children will not be returning to school. so the scenario... loss of sound. i'm really sorry, but there seems to have frozen, there. apologies, anne soy from the olympic primary school. let me bring you some statistics. it shows a north—south divide when it comes to the number of recent hospitalisations for covid—19. hospitalisations are doubling roughly two weeks everywhere in england except london where it is a bit slower, and the south—west, where it is a bit faster, as of the
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11th of october there were 3500 people in hospital in england with coronavirus, and most of those in the north of england, according to the north of england, according to the head of statistics. the mum of a baby girl who died 23 minutes after being born is calling for an independent inquiry into the hospital trust where serious failings took place. sarah andrew's daughter, wynter, was delivered by c—section with the umbilical cord "wrapped around her leg and neck" in sept last year at nottingham's queen's medical centre. an inquest found there were repeated failures by all staff and that wynter may have survived if "multiple missed opportunities" were spotted. sarah andrews wants to talk to us to make sure she says it never happens again, it's her first broadcast interview since the inquest ruling last week. she told me how she felt about the findings of the inquest.
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it is never an easy thing to hear that gross failures and neglect sort of contributed to your daughter's death. but for us, it has been like having a weight lifted because having a weight lifted because having listened to the trust telling us that everything was normal, we wouldn't be sat here today knowing what we know it. i'm going to quote what we know it. i'm going to quote what the assistant coroner said in the report released last week. "this isa the report released last week. "this is a clear and obvious case of neglect. i find that mrs andrews' ca re neglect. i find that mrs andrews' care was beset by shortcomings on account of staff being too overwhelmed to provide full and detailed care in accordance with the guidelines. this led to corners being cut and unsafe practices prevailing within the unit. if baby wynter had been delivered earlier it is likely that her death would have been avoided. i wanted to ask you, sarah, when you were in hospital,
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where you aware that things were not right in the care that you were receiving? i feel like it is, with hindsight, obviously, it is easier to look back, but while you are in that situation you put your faith in the professionals do by you and your baby, and to take care of you. —— to do right by you and your baby. but looking back i feel that from the moment that we arrived at the qmc, the queen's medical centre, it was really the moment when it all went wrong. can you talk to us about some of the failures that you encountered? from start to finish, really, the failures were many. there was a failure to recognise that it was established labour and not latent labour. had this been recognised i would have had 121 care
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and continuous monitoring, which i didn't have, and then there was the failure to correctly read the ctg monitoring. just so many wild failings across the board, really, with our care. the coroner said the unit was so short—staffed that midwives were looking after a number of high risk patients simultaneously. in 2018, so ten months before your daughter was born, midwives had written to officers at the unit at nottingham university hospitals nhs trust about concerns regarding staffing levels and they actually said in that letter they could be the cause of a potential disaster. how do you react to that? that is quite a hard thing to that? that is quite a hard thing to read. we know that we are not an isolated incident. we only have to look back to the harriet hawkins case, to know that wynter isn't the
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only baby that has died, due to the trust's neglect, and reading that letter, and reading that the staff had even identified that something was wrong and something needed to change, for it dare not to be done, asa change, for it dare not to be done, as a family, it is really difficult thing to get head round. can i ask, sarah, what you remember about your time and your husband's time with your little girl? sorry, you broke up your little girl? sorry, you broke upa bit, your little girl? sorry, you broke up a bit, then. can i ask, sarah, what you remember about your time and your husband's time with your little girl? you see, we got a bit tired in the bereavement suite. any bereaved pa rent bereavement suite. any bereaved parent will tell you, it is the most valuable time because it is all you're ever going to get with the
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child. and we made some of the best memories. we took her out to look at the stars, to look at the sun, we told her all about what life should have been like for her, so really, i think that was an invaluable time for us. what do you remember about wynter? what was she like? she was beautiful. she had the most amazing head of hair. she wasjust beautiful. she had the most amazing head of hair. she was just a beautiful little girl. and i think... itjust is such a tragedy that she has been taken from us in the cruellest of circumstances. this was your first baby. it is unimaginable for most people watching that you had to leave that hospital without her. that is the most painful thing in the world.
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having to walk out off somewhere without your baby in your arms, and then go home to the nursery, and everything you have, and it's not just the immediate things, the nursery and stuff like that. it is the rest of your life, knowing that it has happened, and your brain insta ntly it has happened, and your brain instantly goes to what would have wynter have been doing right now? all you see other little girls running around and you think, wynter would have been playing with them, and that really hurts. it is really quite a painful thing. and and that really hurts. it is really quite a painfulthing. and i and that really hurts. it is really quite a painful thing. and i don't think it will ever get any better. this will be the rest of our lives now, constantly wondering what would have been. i have a statement from the chief nurse at the nottingham university hospitals nhs trust. she says, we deeply regret that we failed mrand mrs says, we deeply regret that we failed mr and mrs andrews and their
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daughter wynter, and we apologise for the distress this has caused them and their family. for the distress this has caused them and theirfamily. had we made better decisions, the outcome could have been different, and for that, we remain truly sorry. we are committed to learning, improving and transforming our services. we have already made multiple improvements in our maternity services but we know we need to go further. we will do all we can to ensure as far as possible this never happens again. that is their statement, sarah. also, the care quality commission is going to investigate the trust. is that enough for you? it isn't, really. previously i have said, we know that we are not an isolated incident. the way that the trust was with us following wynter‘s death, they made us feel like everything was normal and we know that they lied in the coroner's referral, so we don't have faith that this hasn't
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happened to other families and it will not continue to happen to other families, which is why we are calling for matt hancock to open an independent inquiry into the trust, because we feel like we don't want to be sitting here in a year's time, listening to another mother saying the same words that i am saying to you right now. thank you very much, sarah. we appreciate you talking to us. we wish you all the best. thank you. sarah andrews. british airways chief executive, alex cruz has stepped down after four—and—a—half years in the role. mr cruz will stay on as nonexecutive chairman for a transition period. the last few months of his tenure have been tough, as he was tasked with driving through thousands ofjob cuts at the airline. an interesting announcement this morning from iag, remember, that is the parent company of british airways. now headed up by a man called luis gallego, who replaces himself.
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willie walsh, many viewers will know willie walsh headed up ba for a long time, and then the parent company, iag. what we're told is that alex cruz will leave with immediate effect and that is because the airline is going through such an unprecedented time of difficulty. but mr cruz not without his critics, too. you may remember that he presided over the baggage handling crisis at the new terminal 5 at heathrow, that left thousands without their bags for many days, caused disruption for planes and passengers trying to get around the world. he was also in the top job when there was the huge data breach and hack at british airways that leaked data from passengers to criminals. and now in the midst of what is pretty much unprecedented, as far as the crisis in the aviation industry is concerned. you touched on the job losses that have been announced at ba. 13,000 of them are currently at risk. there's been a lot of criticism about how they've handled this.
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some suggesting that staff have been forced to step down from theirjobs and then be rehired on worse terms and conditions, so on a new contract but one that does not pay anywhere near what it paid before. so, lots of concern as far as staff are concerned. but the new boss at iag says, look, he's going to get rid of alex cruz and instead sean doyle will take over. he is the current boss of aer lingus — part of the same group but nonetheless, they are hoping the new man might be able to steer the airline in the right direction amidst so much turbulence for the airline industry right now. earlier i spoke to the author and poet michael rosen. he is the author of we are going on a bear hunt. you may have a copy at home if you have children. he spoke about spending many weeks in
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hospital and 48 days in intensive care. i have been talking to him this morning. he has had to learn to walk again, effectively. he told me how thankful he is. unbelievable gratitude. the nhs is a wonder. it is a glory. i go there now, and have been since i left hospital at the end ofjune, i'm going nearly every week for eye procedures, ear, for scans on my chest, so, it's a glory that this thing can save our lives, can look after us, and of course, i'm 74, i was born just before the nhs, but the whole of my conscious lifetime has been in the nhs, and it's a feeling that, it is how a government can act in a loving way, because what it's doing is caring for us, as is said in the cliche, from the cradle to the grave.
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that cliche is very powerful. the idea that we have a lifetime of health or illness, and this is for all of us, and it is a sense, a way in which we all care for each other, and i am overwhelmed by it, in the way it has acted on me, if you like, and saved my life, as you say. how did they get you out of that induced coma in the end? they tried various things. my family and wife could not visit because of the covid restrictions. they tried various things. they celebrated my birthday which i knew nothing at all about, that was in may, they showed me pictures of the family. they showed me pictures of the arsenal football team, but it was when they arranged, they wheeled me out on the bed, onto an area outside of the ward, and i met with my wife, she came as she spoke to me, and showed pictures of my children. i remember nothing of this.
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this is all from what she has told me. and apparently this was like a sort of trigger moment, that it was this moment that i then responded logically and sensibly as opposed to sort of writhing around on the bed and waving my arms about, and what the consultant told me was that, when they wheeled that bed back into the lift to go into the ward, i became lucid, and that was the key moment, towards the end of may. that was a key change from being out of it, not knowing what was going on, and then responding to the things around me. so it was seeing my wife, talking with her, and there is a photograph of us holding hands, which, i can't speak... i know, i have water in my eyes, the way that you are describing it. i'm sure that other people have,
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listening to this this morning. when you had recovered enough you went to a rehabilitation unit hospital, where they taught you how to stand up and walk again. what was that like? terrifying, to start off with. because i arrived at the rehabilitation centre. i didn't know what my next state of being would be. would i be a wheelchair person? what kind of person was i going to be? these wonderful occupational therapists came to my bedside and said, today, you are getting up, and the ots had tried before when i was on the ward after intensive ca re and it had been a disaster, i had just flopped. so i thought, here we go again, i stood up, and i can still hear the weird, rasping panting noise that i made i made as i stood up, and was shaking from top to toe, and it was a mixture of the fact that i had very low blood pressure but also was nervous, i was very anxious.
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and so, they had to deal with that. they had to first get me to stand, and to support myself on a kind of zimmer frame. and then to get me into a wheelchair. i thought, i like a wheelchair, this is good. i think i exchanged some texts with ade adepan about how i was coping with the corners in the ward, and i thought maybe i'm a wheelchair person. i usually go to the window i see walking about in king's cross, st pancras. but they were not having that. they didn't want me to be that. they got me out of the wheelchair, and i would support myself on parallel bars. you may have seen those. and they would get me to walk alone, take two steps, it i would think how brilliant i was doing, two steps. then they got me to the stick which i call sticky mcstickstick, just to keep me going,
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and then another occupational therapist told me that i was becoming stick—reliant, which i felt was a kind of insult. "i'm stick reliant, am i?!" how dare you be stick reliant! i threw it away. i remember my first trip to the loo without the stick, it was an heroic moment. i was thinking of that song by m people about search for the hero inside yourself. you can see me as heather small, can't you ?! you can see me as heather small, can't you?! we have talked about the longer—term impacts of covid on you. you have mentioned your site, hearing, the walking and the breathing. i know that clumps of hair fell out. you will have heard people say, at least you are alive, michael. how do you feel about that? they are totally entitled to say that. i asked the consultant about people dying on my ward.
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and that ward that i was on, it was touch and go for a lot of people, and many died, and that is the same for all intensive care wards in march and april. you can see the statistics. obviously they have improved their care. so people are right in that sense, yeah, i'm alive. i always point out to people when they see me, strangers, i say that i am not dead, and they say, yes, i can see that, we agree! of course. and it feels mean to be complaining, when obviously there are people dead, and people whose post—covid long covid effects are worse than mine. there are people with very severe breathing problems. i think the clots are still there. i have yet to find out whether i have dispersed the clots, or not, i had a scan a week ago, so i'm waiting for the results of that. and there are people who lost toes, there is a syndrome called covid
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toes, it cuts off circulation to the toes, i've lost the feeling in my toes, but i got them. we need toes for balance and walking, obviously, so in some sense i am mr lucky, for sure. michael rosen. i have been asking about how you feel about prospect of further tightening of restrictions regarding coronavirus. is it more difficult, more challenging, second time around? barbara here in the uk says it seemed ridiculous. i was talking to my son in melbourne, population half a million, total lockdown, no mixing, and only 5—10 cases per day, all trace. we have thousands of cases here in the uk in one day, and we can go to the pub and restaurant and mixed with hassles. gary says we are much better prepared, to be honest, this time around. —— we can mix with
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households. another viewer says it is more difficult this time around, but trust is lost, and charlie says the first period of lockdown was during good weather and light conditions, i feel during the winter it is going to be such more —— so much more difficult. you're watching bbc news. let's have the weather now, here's carol. hello again. we are in for another fairly cloudy and wet day ahead. a couple of weather fronts coming in from the west. they are going to be pushing steadily eastwards as they go through the course of the day, taking the rain with them and, as they clear the west we will find it will brighten up, with some showers around and still some quite brisk winds. what we have got at the moment is a fair bit of cloud, and all this rain continuing to journey steadily eastwards, so brightening up for western scotland, northern ireland, later across north—west england and north wales and again south—west england.
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mid afternoon, rain across the channel islands, extending into southern england, through the midlands, cloudy in wales, brighter across north—west england, with northern ireland and west of scotland looking at sunshine and showers, but still gusty winds with 50 miles an hour gusts in exposure. temperatures between 9—14 celsius, and feeling cool where you are exposed to the wind or indeed in the rain. this evening and overnight our weather front bulges into the north sea with rain across east anglia and parts of scotland and northern england. still showers packing in across western areas. under clear skies anywhere in the north we could see temperatures fall low enough for a touch of frost, but more especially in the north—east. tomorrow, starting off with a rain in scotland sinking further south across england, getting into north wales. we will have a weather front in the south—east producing some rain, moving further west
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so the driest conditions are likely to be across scotland and northern ireland, but here, we'll still see some showers and a brisk wind. by the time we get to wednesday, something drier is coming our way. still a brisk, cool, north—easterly wind, blowing in showers to eastern parts of england, some of those getting over towards wales and the south—west. making it feel cooler than the temperatures you see would suggest. drier conditions across northern ireland and scotland, temperatures once again 10—14, maybe 15 degrees. as we head on into thursday, starting off in northern ireland and western scotland with a touch of frost, a lot of dry weather, brisk winds in the south—east, something drier with lighter winds for friday.
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this is bbc news, i'm joanna gosling. the headlines at 11. borisjohnson is to announce new lockdown restrictions for specific areas of england under a new three—tier system. we're expecting to hear about the latest covid—19 data from the deputy chief medical officer, professor jonathan van—tam in the next few minutes. liverpool is expected to face the toughest restrictions with pubs, gyms and bookies closed. the region's mayor says agreement on it has not yet been reached. the chief executive of british airways alex cruz has stepped down from the role with "immediate effect". the chinese city of qingdao will have its entire population of nine million people tested for covid after a handful of new infections. and the premier league
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