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‘and you know know his character and you know my character. you know our for honour and telling the truth. i am anxious to have race. i am anxious to see this take place. iam not anxious to see this take place. i am not make the character of the country is on characters on the country is on characters on the ballot. look at as closely. if this stuff is about how you are an innocent baby. they are calling you a corrupt politician. i want to stay on the issue. and so it went on. how has this debate played out on social media? with me is paul hawkins. i suppose to get an idea of what people are thinking you look at what they are searching for on google, so what have you ascertained? google are clear that they have provided the information publicly and what people are searching for is no indication of voting intention but it does tell us something about the
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curiosity of voters, and for me, the way i look at that, is undecided voters are more likely to search for the issues than those who have cast their ballot all who have decided who they will vote for, so if you look at the real—time track of the last two hours, on google, you can see unemployment remains at the top, but what is interesting is as the debate we nt interesting is as the debate went on, the different issues crisscrossed in terms of searches, so crisscrossed in terms of searches, so wages were searched, unemployment was the top search and the crisscross in the lines there, there's a lot more interchange of searches compared to the first debate. in this debate, there was more policy, less interruption and we got a proper to—and—fro between the candidates and it seems to have stimulated more searches online, so in that way and served the american people better. it interesting, because it did come to the issue of the
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stimulus plan and what they would put into the economy and it just shows you would put into the economy and itjust shows you that would put into the economy and it just shows you that there would put into the economy and itjust shows you that there is a lot of talk about hunter biden and corruption but what matters is what people are discussing around the kitchen table and it is borne out by what you just showed us. and unemployment is almost always the top search, even outside of the top search, even outside of the debate. just a week to week. and in terms of searching for candidates, joe biden has been the top searched candidate across the us and in the wheel oh across the us and in the wheel on the right, that was a bit more red before the debate and as the debate continued it's become a bit more blue so more people in the us searching for joe biden, which is interesting. what does that tell us? they know less about him? they want to know more about joe biden than him? they want to know more aboutjoe biden than donald trump. his voting record, though sort of things. it doesn't necessarily mean they will vote for him but they are more curious. so that is what is happening there. in terms of
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social media trends, one of the top trends was the moderator has appeared as one of the top searches with a lot of people praising christine mccrea one, and interestingly the first debate has said he wished he could have moderated this debate, the moderator, chris wallace, people responding in terms of the exchanges on the mute button. it's a political game. and such a hard time, chris wallace, after the first debate. all, fascinating and thank you for that. i am joined now by the director of debate at university of michigan and the co—author of the book debating the donald and aaron was in the audience of the debate and joins us from nashville —— nashville. you are the expert on how to do a —— debate donald trump. did joe biden do it effectively?|j think biden do it effectively?” think you did. he had less things to do in the debate
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given his lead in the national and battle ground poll so he didn't want to commit a major error and just wanted to turn in an average low key performance and i think you did that. i don't think in the election race will change tonight and with 12 days left and tens of billions —— millions already happened, which would be status quo. millions already happened, which would be status quom was obvious from the president's demeanour that he had been asked to tone it down a bitand had been asked to tone it down a bit and there was a different attitude from the presidents tonight. quite discernible. very start from the first debate in cleveland from both debates. they realise the backlash was real. people didn't like the fact there were so didn't like the fact there were so many ad hominem attacks and interruptions and they wanted more policy focus. and it was
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aided by the microphone muting rule which helped the overall atmosphere. welker was well respected by both candidates, so respected by both candidates, soa respected by both candidates, so a combination of those things which made for a much better debate and put a lot of paybackin better debate and put a lot of payback in the quality of political debate. there were 25 interruptions of joe political debate. there were 25 interruptions ofjoe biden by the president and i2 interruptions ofjoe biden by the president and 12 of the president byjoe biden and you compare that to the number the president made in the first debate, 72, so the figures back up debate, 72, so the figures back up it was a bit more of a civil debate. what about the eye rolling, the malarkey, the sarcasm you get from joe biden. did that get a bit hackneyed by the end? sometimes he does have the end? sometimes he does have the ability to overdo it but thatis the ability to overdo it but that is his shtick. he's very folksy and he said that for decades which is why his popular as a politician and even more effective than the language he used when sometimes he would look directly at the
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camera to make a point and talk about middle—class voters and those not benefiting from the stock market and tried to directly connect with the audience. those are the sorts of things he does, to make the personal connection which is one of his stronger traits. both these guys in their 705 and you hope there is a new generation of debate is coming along. i5 generation of debate is coming along. is there anything they would have taken tonight? when you go back to the students, would you say this is the way to do it? there were some good things. they were better overall performances and they we re very overall performances and they were very efficient at times, only saying a few words rather than dragging on with quick retorts a nd than dragging on with quick retorts and were well prepared with facts and figures and so for the two of them, this was one of their better performances but there will be a whole other crop of younger candidates that will not take much from the two of them. 0k. we have to leave it there but thank you very much. i am joined by a mandarin
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a former political director for hillary clinton during the 2016 presidential campaign and i wa nted presidential campaign and i wanted to ask you earlier, this was the point, four years ago when it was in the bag for hillary clinton and probably when she came out of that debate, the final debate in 2016 she probably thought she had done enough and i'm sure joe biden feels the same way tonight. do you urge any caution? i do, and thanks for having me again. i do. i think anyone that's been involved in campaigning in democratic politics has learnt the lesson of 2016 that is not over until all votes are counted and in this case it might be beyond election day, but i will say that going into this is different because there is already 47 million people who have voted and we've seen voter registrations feeling very different and the momentum feels different and so does the engagement, and in that sense you have to make sure you keep
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the momentum going and we made sure that what you saw on the stages that donald trump didn't really do anything to change it. everybody got their clips they wanted to get but i don't see a change and i thought biden did a good job of being more substantive, give some policy ideas out there that he was going to do, and particularly there were groups that were wondering that what he was going to say and i think that will show up in more people feeling engaged to vote but nothing changed too much tonight. it is interesting you say keep the momentum going because donald trump is right in one sense is thatjoe biden has run a low—key campaign in the last three days he's been off the campaign altogether and people like barack 0bama have been out there for him and now we are past the debate, where do you see his campaign going. what sort of strategy will they follow? you will see 0bama on the campaigna follow? you will see 0bama on the campaign a bit and him coming out a couple of days ago
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was a big deal to get the energy and momentum going and i think you will see surrogates on the front edge of that and we just have celebrities and republicans out on the trail, and different sports our cons on the trail and i think you will see more of that. what's important in the last 12 days is making sure that if you're standing in line you continue to stand in line. if you're getting the balloting, reminding people you haven't got it in the end. and that is what we will see from now until the election and on election day, doing everything you can to get last—minute people who like to go to the polls to vote. what i will say tonight that you saw a little bit of in president trump is that he was thinking about these rural areas where house districts weren't paying to the oil conversation and it will be really interesting to see how the fallout happens because it is very nuanced and as i heard iti is very nuanced and as i heard it i thought specifically of
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districts in pennsylvania and the centre of texas and even in the centre of texas and even in the upper areas of michigan. that kind of conversation is a really interesting one and we will see which one fared better in how they answered. on that score, it's really a battle of the nominator versus the nominated. you can get people out there don't vote and hold them in from rural areas but if them in from rural areas but if the democrats are getting the base going in the urban areas, you are not really making inroads into the lead thatjoe biden has. yes, and that is what is really interesting as donald trump is really in a corner speaking to his base. he hasn't done much to move the needle on women, on latinos, and what he's trying to do is bring down biden and the energy in those communities but doesn't seem to actually be leaning into how you will build more of a base for what you already have and that was true in the fundamentals coming into the conversation and it didn't
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change in this conversation. amanda, good to talk to you and thank you for your thoughts this evening. let's check in with the former communications director for with the former communications directorfor president with the former communications director for president trump's 2016 campaign who is back with us 2016 campaign who is back with us from washington. we spoke before the debate and you said he needed to set out a plan for the next four years and getjoe biden talking. were you pleased with what you saw tonight? thank you for having me, and absolutely. joe biden is ending or transforming the whole oil industry which is a big red flag for the american people so i think that was a huge error on his part in this is what we needed, we needed this two weeks ago, three weeks ago in the first debate but it came out now and the morejoe biden talks about policies, the more he scares america. i hope it's not too late. 12 days left but for the next ten days we are going to be hearing aboutjoe biden wanting to shut down the oil industry which will drive down the cost and everything in the us. —— drive up.
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down the cost and everything in the us. -- drive up. i'm looking at the twitter feed from the president and he has already tweeted some early comments thatjoe biden made in the primary season about fracking, that he would ban it altogether and tonightjoe biden said he never said that and they have found the clip and they have found the clip and put it out there. his policy has changed on fracking and now he says he wants to ban new licences on public and federal land, so how about flying some of those rust belt states ? flying some of those rust belt states? this is the policy consistent of a 47—year—old politician saying anything to get electing and he's taken those positions in the last two weeks so we shouldn't be surprised that president trump, caught him with the line and he looked at the american people and said it wasn't true and it came out to be completely different. you couple that with the president, the vice president getting rid of oil, what energy does the vice president want us to have? he wa nts president want us to have? he wants us to be a third world
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country with no energy policy and that is not where mainstream america is and i wish the debate happened two weeks earlier but there is 12 days earlier —— to go and it will highlight how outside the mainstream on penalty —— on energy will affect the american families going forward.” energy will affect the american families going forward. i think the campaign team one donald trump to be the man who built up trump to be the man who built up the economy and build it up again but the problem in making that argument and he strayed into it tonight, that until he gets a handle on the pandemic there is no economy. people are having to shut down and we were talking to someone tonight who said that bars and restaurants in wisconsin are all closed and you cannot reopen the economy like the president says he wa nts to like the president says he wants to until you have control of the virus. it depends what the measurement of control is and if you look at the last six months we've seen a dramatic reduction in the death rate. early on we didn't know what to do in february and march. and it was very much a death
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sentence but now we look at it and there are therapeutics that help you through the recovery process and you know who the most vulnerable are in the process , most vulnerable are in the process, so there are mitigations you can take that joe biden is not talking about this. he's talking about listening to a couple of doctors saying shut down the economy. those doctors live google lives near chevy chase in country homes while the vast number of places are closing —— live good lives. you can't put your lows in the hands of medical doctors and joe biden is passing the buck and saying what they say is enough. that is dangerous. we cannot shut down the economy and we are not going to and it's unrealistic forjoe biden to think that shutting down the economy as an option at this point as we have had nearly a year of dealing with coronavirus. brian, good to talk to you. speak again soon. thank you. let's go back to laura outside the debating hall in nashville and they are
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drifting out into the night. one of the audience make of it where you are? only 200 people inside of the hall, christian and the trump campaign after the chaotic debate in cleveland three weeks ago after which the president got coronavirus, so not a good few weeks for him, but the drum campaign feeling better about tonight and they are claiming that the personal attacks on hunter biden and the family will have landed and they showed thatjoe biden was a creature of the swamp and so forth, so i got to put all of this to the chair of the democratic national committee and to ask him about whether the trump campaign had justified having their tails in the airand here justified having their tails in the air and here is what he had to say to me. what is on the mind of the american people now is the coronavirus pandemic. it is the coronavirus pandemic. it is the coronavirus pandemic. it is the economic collapse. it is health care. who is going to help me keep my coverage? who
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will help me get myjob back? who is going to unite this country? who will get a handle oh country? who will get a handle on the pandemic? i still don't know what donald trump's plan is andi know what donald trump's plan is and i know what joe know what donald trump's plan is and i know whatjoe biden's plans are. the trump campaign is saying whenjoe biden said he would transition away from the oil industry that this will cost millions ofjobs. the oil industry that this will cost millions of jobs. we've been talking about this for years, becoming a clean energy economy and this is nothing new. donald trump has his head in the sand on what we need to do to be both a vibrant economy for the 21st century and a job creator. so this is, i mean, if this is news to him, it's more evidence of how he has his head in the sand. just finally, do you think the debate changed any minds tonight? donald trump needed to provide answers that he has not been able to provide, because voters, 43
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million have voted and another hundred million will vote only didn't change any of the fundamentals. joe biden has a plan for all of these prizes as i have discussed with you. donald trump doesn't. the last question of the night, what would you do if you were re—elected? both were asked, what would you do to reassure people who didn't vote for you. donald trump literally didn't answer the question because he doesn't want to govern the united states of america, and joe biden well. the trump campaign is that hunter biden isa campaign is that hunter biden is a problem and he is corrupt? donald trump doesn't want to talk about his failure to address the pandemic and his failure on the economy, his failure on the economy, his failure on the economy, his failure on civil rights. in 2018, he didn't want to talk about gay. guess what, he talked about —— talk about health care. when you don't have answers, you divide and distract, and that is the playbook for donald trump and thatis playbook for donald trump and that is why he is losing. the
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american people need answers and one leadership and that is why they are going forjoe biden. that was tom peres speaking to me there earlier. it does seem that already the trump campaign getting together an advert on joe trump campaign getting together an advert onjoe biden's comments on fracking because he said in the debate that he had never wanted to ban fracking but they have unearthed a clip of him saying that he would and that could be consequential in the keystone state of pennsylvania and its 20 electoral college votes, but overall, the 30,000, the trump campaign hoping there would be a knockout blow and one that will deliver a ten point bounce like ronald reagan got all those years ago, but it seemed more like a better debate than the first which was terrible, but in the end, did it change it that much? especially when nearly 50 million people have already voted. there is a clue in donald trump's tweets as to the themes they will pick out of the debate and you are
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right, fracking and oil is one and you have one senator warning kentucky that this is theissue warning kentucky that this is the issue that they need to think about when they vote for joe biden, and also the russian theme as well. i'm not convinced, having watched the debate tonight that they are going to get much traction with the allegations they are flinging and joe biden when it comes to his son and these payments that came from russia. there's just not enough detail on it. well, it's all vague and implied corruption and the fact is that a senate committee just produced a report about the whole ukraine affair and looked at hunter biden's role in it and they did not make any conclusions about joe and they did not make any conclusions aboutjoe biden having had any kind of nefarious role in it. and the bigger picture is that americans, day in, day out, dealing with coronavirus and the restrictions on the economy, the president's answer is that a vaccine is around a corner which it may well be but
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tonightjoe biden showed more empathy and said he had a plan, a national mask mandate under plan for rapid testing where is the president is still stuck in that defensive crouch on that one. it's an important point, because when you think about people voting at the moment and what is uppermost in their mind, it is coronavirus because it drifts into every other issue and ripped into the economy and the recovery, peoples jobs. we've just been talking to the social media expert who said people are trending on unemployment and wages. it's those kitchen table issues that people are talking about. i was just suggesting that you cannot deal with those economic problems people have on the concerns and worries they have until you deal with getting the virus under control. it's almost november, which is a new month and people have to pay more rent and credit card bills, and they have all kind of bills due and they have instalments on their
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cars, and those enhanced unemployment benefits have run out for americans. the $600 a week is down to a few hundred dollars a week in most cases, so those are really tough times. 6 million people who cannot afford their mortgages and rent at the moment but i saw a poll today and where does the blame for for not agreeing the blame for for not agreeing the stimulus agreement, it falls... 0h, the stimulus agreement, it falls... oh, i think we have lost laura. shall we go to david willis in los angeles? he would definitely be able to pick up the point because nancy pelosi, who i was going to talk about is from california, so let's talk to david about the stimulus plan and the congresswoman, nancy stimulus plan and the congresswoman, nancy pelosi. is he with us? he is. i wasjust saying to laura that a lot of people want to know about the stimulus plan, one of the big issues and they touched it —— touched on it in the debate but there was a poll i saw today and the blame was being put on
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nancy policy by 40% and the blame for the president was at 19%, so i'm just wondering whether for democrats this might backfire? it's interesting because donald trump tried to put the blame on nancy pelosi himself this evening in the debate, and it's a difficult one because she has been hard at work with the treasury secretary, trying to reach agreement but the trump administration continues to insist that the democrats are looking to tack it onto that bill, the support for what they call the failing democratic inner cities and so on, to attach billions of dollars that the white house does not believe should be anything to do with the coronavirus relief legislation, so you have this impasse and there were hopes that some relief package, and
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additional stimulus plan would be agreed upon before the election, well, it didn't happen. of course, congress is in recess now. one last question on climate change, because there were obviously long discussions about this and president trump said joe biden's climate change plan was an economic disaster and i imagine people in california don't see it that way. they've just suffered all these forest fires this year and they want coherent answers on climate change. absolutely and donald trump has some rather controversial views. i'm sure you are aware on the whole issue of wildfires, he says it comes down to forest management and thinning out the leaves, but you are right. this is a state that has been devastated by wildfires and the current so—called wildfire season is looking to be one of the worst on record and i have to say thatjoe biden is someone who believes that his policies as
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far as climate control are concerned have been somewhat misrepresented by the president and by republicans in general. he has said that he does not wa nt to he has said that he does not want to see fracking on federal land, but not that he is seeking a ban on it universally, but it's a very controversial policy and controversial policy and controversial area of policy and just one on which the two men clashed in that debate this evening. david, thank you very much for that. to end both president trump and joe biden with a question on leadership, asked to imagine their inauguration day and given one minute to save what they would say to americans who did not vote for them. let's hear what the present have to say. we have to make our country totally successful as it was prior to the plane coming in from china. now we are rebuilding and doing 11 million jobs ina rebuilding and doing 11 million jobs in a short period of time. success will bring us together. we are on the road to success.
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but i am cutting taxes and he wa nts to but i am cutting taxes and he wants to raise everybody‘s taxis and put in new regulations. he will kill it. if he gets in you will have a depression the likes of which you have never seen. your 401(k) will go to hell and it will be a very sad day for this country. i would say, will be a very sad day for this country. iwould say, i'm will be a very sad day for this country. i would say, i'm an american president. i represent all of you, whether you voted for me or against me and i will make sure that you are represented. i will give you hope and we are going to move and choose science over fiction. we will choose hope over fear. we are going to choose to move forward because there are enormous opportunities to make things better. we can grow this economy, we can deal with the systemic racism and at the same time, we can make sure that our economy is being run and moved and motivated by clean energy, creating millions of newjobs. and that is the fact. that is what we are going to do. and i'm going to say, as i said at the beginning, what is on the
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ballot he re the beginning, what is on the ballot here is the character of this country. decency, honour, respect, treating people with dignity. making sure everybody has an even chance, and i will make sure you get that. you have been getting at the last four years. election day 11 days away, so how will that debate influenced the vote? 20 more analysis coming up. stay with us. first april rectangular autumn colours on offer. it was a short weather window, but is looking out the the atlantic the swell of cloud is the next area of low pressure bringing rain across our shores for friday and then further west, a developing area of low pressure which will rapidly deepen to bring strong winds across the uk this weekend. before we get there, a lot of cloud at the moment with patches of rain working across from south—west
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england into the midlands, east anglia, properties in the south—east as well and then the more general area of rain which is bringing wet weather to northern ireland and that is moving into scotland, western parts of england and wales early friday morning before pushing easter. notice the rain band weakened significantly and there might be some areas across the that escaping altogether. the same is true across east anglia and the southeast with perhaps a few patches of rain here and there to ta ke patches of rain here and there to take us through the afternoon. it is an improving weather story because promote of the north—west of the uk we will see sunny weather and a few showers, mainly confined to the west coast of scotland scotla nd the west coast of scotland scotland through friday afternoon. the wind starts to pick up as we head through friday night with areas of rain beginning to spreading and that is what is on the menu for saturday, a very gusty day with some heavy rain moving east and sunshine and showers will then follow for many of us as we head into the afternoon. here is our band of rain a notice on gusty winds to start the day
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for scotland and northern ireland but it's actually on and ahead of the weather front that the winds will get really strong for a time across wales and across england. it's going to be quite a short lived squally band of rain, so intense downpours and strong gusts, may be strong enough to bring down tree branches and we could see localised disruption out and about. the weather getting colder into the north—west as the sunny conditions arrive across scotla nd conditions arrive across scotland and ireland but with some showers packed in as well. it stays quite windy on sunday but generally a day of sunshine and showers and we are close to the law —— low pressure in the west wish i was frequent and they won't just stay around coastal areas and there is a trough moving through so the showers will blow well inland and most of us will see a downpour or two.
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this is bbc news: i'm david eades with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. donald trump and joe biden clash in the final televised debate for the us presidential elections. more civilised in tone, but personal assaults emerged over each other‘s taxes, and allegations about biden family business affairs. this president paid 50 times the tax in china, has a secret bank account with china, does business with china and in fact is talking about me taking money? i have never taken a single penny from any country whatsoever. people were saying $750. i asked them, we can

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