this is bbc news: i'm david eades with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. donald trump and joe biden clash in the final televised debate for the us presidential elections. more civilised in tone, but personal assaults emerged over each other‘s taxes, and allegations about biden family business affairs. this president paid 50 times the tax in china, has a secret bank account with china, does business with china and in fact is talking about me taking money? i have never taken a single penny from any country whatsoever. people were saying $750. i asked them, we can go,

isaid, $750. i asked them, we can go, i said, what did i pay? they said, sir, you pre—of millions of dollars. i prepaid my tax. i prepaid my tax. there were also clear divisions over racial justice — the best way of dealing with covid — and who has the character to be president. you know who i am. you know who he is. you know his character, you know my character. in our reputations for honour and telling the truth. the character of the country is on the ballot. our character is on the ballot. our character is on the ballot. our character is on the ballot. look at as closely. iran the ballot. look at as closely. i ran because of you. i ran because of barack obama because you did a poorjob. if i thought you did a good job i would have never run. i would have never run. i would have never run. i would have never run. i ran would have never run. i would have never run. i ran because of you. i ran because of you. with 11 days until the election — we'll ask who did best to win over the undecided voters. hello and welcome.

donald trump and joe biden have had their last face to face encounter before november's presidential election — and it was a more mild—mannered event compared to the previous one. there was even a chance to hear about the differing policies they are offering — from the environment to jobs, foreign policy, race and immigration. the two also argued over how to handle the coronavirus pandemic, with mr biden saying the president's policies had contributed to the high death rate in the us. it was personal too. president trump seized on recently—released emails allegedly taken off a laptop belonging to biden's son hunter — and newspaper claims that the former vice president himself had benefited from his son's business affairs. i have not taken a penny from any foreign source ever in my life. we learned that this president paid 50 times the tax

in china, has a secret bank account with china, does business in china and in fact, is talking about me taking money? i have not taken a single penny from any country whatsoever. ever. number one. numbertwo, whatsoever. ever. number one. number two, this is a president... i have released all of my tax returns was up 22 years. go and look at them. 22 years. go and look at them. 22 years of my tax returns. you have not released a single solitary year of your tax return. what are you hiding? why are you unwilling? foreign countries are paying you a lot. brush is paying you a lot. china is paying a lot and your hotels in all of your business is all around the country. all around the world. china is building a new road to a golf course you have overseas. so what is going on here? why not release your tax return stop talking about corruption. first of all, i called my accountants. under audit. i'm going to release them as soon as we can. i want to do it. and it will show how successful and great this company is about

much more important than that, people were saying $750. i asked them, week ago, i said, what did i pay? they said, sir, you prepaid tens of millions of dollars. i prepaid my tax. the debate itself was divided into six topic areas. on fighting coronavirus, mr trump warned that the economy needed to be restarted and criticised cities that had strict lockdowns. democratic nominee joe biden said more people had died because of mr trump's handling of the covid crisis and that the country was heading for a ‘dark winter'. he says that we are learning to live with it. people are learning to die with it. you folks at home will have an empty chairat the folks at home will have an empty chair at the kitchen table this morning. that man a wife gone to bed tonight reaching over to try to touch there, out of habit, whether wife or husband was, is gone. learning to live with it. come on. we are dying with it because he has never said, he

said it is dangerous. when is the last time? is it really dangerous still? you're telling the people it is dangerous now and what should they do about the danger? can you say, i take no responsibility. i take full responsibility. it is not my fault that it came here. it is china's fold and you know what? it's notjoe's for that it came here either. it is china's. they kept it from going into the rest of china for the most of it but they did not keep it from coming out to the world including europe and ourselves. this fact is that when we knew it was coming, when it hit, what happened, what the president say? he said, don't worry. it is going to go away. it will be gone by easter. don't worry, warm weather. may be in direct breach. he said it was kidding when he said that and a lot of people thought he was serious. a whole range of things the president percent. even today he thinks we in control. we are about to lose 200,000 more people. perhaps

just to finish this, i was kidding on that. butjust to finish this, when i close, he saidi finish this, when i close, he said i should not have closed. and that went on for months. nancy pelosi said the same thing and she was dancing on the streets in chinatown in san francisco but when i closed he said, this is a terrible thing, you are a xenophobe. i think he called me racist even. because i was closing china. now he saidi i was closing china. now he said i should have closed it earlier. i'm joined now by laura trevelyan who's in nashville. we could actually hear what they had to say, whether it was an coronavirus of the other issues. i just an coronavirus of the other issues. ijust wonder an coronavirus of the other issues. i just wonder what you made of it? you know, david, 47 million americans have already voted. that is a third of the electorate, may be, that they did in 2016. so will this have changed any minds? the president's team are hoping

going into this that it would really reset the race. now they have come out of it saying that joe biden and his statement that he would transition away from oil. that this is a major gap and it will cost millions ofjobs and gap and it will cost millions of jobs and joe biden gap and it will cost millions ofjobs and joe biden on the tarmac tonight going home has had to say that he was talking about ending subsidies for fossil fuels, not about ending subsidies for fossilfuels, not ending about ending subsidies for fossil fuels, not ending fossil fuels themselves. so you can see that there is something there and the trump campaign will try to get traction with. but on this key question of coronavirus, which is all—consuming in america at the moment where we are seeing the caseload going up more than 1000 people died yesterday, the president really had the same thing to say. a vaccine is around the corner, it is bad around the corner, it is bad around the corner, it is bad around the world and it is china's fault whereas joe biden said there would be a national mask mandate and would it he would introduce testing the schools open. in the end if you are looking for a reason to vote for either candidate, didn't really change any minds? did it shake up the race? or is

it lives the wash with only 11 days to go? is it sort of effect, then, that these sorts of debates, and we did get some policy issues, and we did get some differences in policy, very clearly explained, are you sort of saying to a certain extent that is if not irrelevant, it is a second tier of importance for most viewers? they are looking at these two individuals, two characters and working out which of them feels credible? yes. and it was interesting that certainly when joe biden said, in his first 100 days he would send a bill to congress providing a pathway to congress providing a pathway to citizenship for 11 million undocumented americans including the dreamers, those young americans brought here as children brought here illegally by their children who were given the right to work under president obama and that has been taken away by president trump. that was taken away, the aspirant nick caucus wanted joe

biden to say, because it is an important commitment to make —— the hispanic caucus. that was something very specific. and he would like a $15 an hour minimum wage for everybody. president trump, though, his campaign going into it he was going to try and raise doubts about the foreign business dealings ofjoe biden's son. he did do that but was it in a way that was clear enough for the electorate? it was quite garbled but the president is a master at negative attacks. is he able to do it successfully as the incumbent? we will see what the responses. thank you very much for that. lauren mentioned issues of immigration and race was another key element for the americans to think about. the former vice presidentjoe biden said one of the reasons he ended up working in delaware, for example, was to learn more about institutional racism in order to address it. i never had to

tell my daughter if she is pulled over, make sure she puts both hands on top of the wheel. and don't reach for the glovebox plus amaze shoot you better black apparently matter how wealthy or how poor they are has to teach their child, when you're walking down the street, don't have a hoodie on when you go across the street. making sure that you are in fa ct, making sure that you are in fact, if you get pulled over, yes, sir, no, sir, hands on top of the wheel, because you are in fact the victim whether you area in fact the victim whether you are a person making, a child of are a person making, a child of a $300,000 a year person or someone who is on food stamps. the fact of the matter is, there is institutional racism in america and we have always said, we have never lived up to it, that we hold these truths to be self—evident. all men and women are created equal. and we have never, ever lived up to it but we have always constantly been moving the needle further and further to inclusion. not exclusion. this is the first president to come along who

says that is the end of that. he has been in government 47 yea rs he has been in government 47 years and never did anything exceptin years and never did anything except in 1994 when he did such harm to the black community and he called them super predators and he said that. he said it. super predators. and they could never live that down. 1994, your crime bill, the super predators. nobody has done more for the black community than donald trump. and if you look, with the exception of abraham lincoln. the possible exception. but the of abraham lincoln, nobody has done what i have done. i'm joined now from los angeles by mathew littman, a former chief speech writer for biden and former senior advisor to barack obama — and from atlanta, we're joined by seth weathers who's a republican strategist, and former director of the 2016 trump campaign in georgia.

thank you forjoining us. two experts in the field here. let me start if they can with you, matthew. you expected more of a focus on the biden family, certainly got it. there was definitely an emphasis from trump. we got to it within the first few minutes of the debate. biden got through it and then coasted the rest of the way. sojoe biden has talked about a son and how much he loves his son. and his family. this is a real right wing echo chamber story. it's not really in the mainstream. people don't care. the biden was able to get through that pretty quickly and that is one of the reasons this debate worked out very much in his favour. it seemed to drag on a little bit when i was listening to it but one area where he was able to target as well, was all talk no action. that was the phrase. 47 years of being a senior politician and not achieving very much. i know how you feel about that but do you

think that is the sort of neat phrase that will resonate with people listening in? here is the deal. about 6% of the country is undecided at this point. 0ne country is undecided at this point. one third of the country has already voted. we knowjoe biden has been around for a while. they likejoe biden has been around for a while. they like joe biden biden has been around for a while. they likejoe biden and if you are donald trump, he was vice president and senator, we all know that, how you beatjoe biden in this debate? clearly he did not do that. joe biden is up by ten points and most of the polls. and polls already showing that he won this debate are all in all, big victory here. i can see you are itching to get in and another side of the coin for you. but that is a fair point, isn't it? donald trump had to deliver some sort of devastating knockout blow. we didn't really get one. no, i don't think that necessarily had to be a knockout blow. we had to be a knockout blow. we had some he came across

presidential and reached the undecided voters which is exactly what president trump did tonight. as to the accusations that it is not exactly mainstream. the information about hunter biden and the e—mails of his dad for stealing 10% of his overseas business dealings. i think that is all coming to play and we hunter's former business partner come out and confirm that. this is going to be an issue that the mainstream media will not be able to ignore in the coming days and weeks. sol think that is going to have a devastating effect on the biden campaign. you will keep using that as an issue and may be see that as an issue and may be see that as an issue? why would you not? if you have a former vice president accepting millions of dollars... point made. that is the time we have got to look at the time we have got to look at the debate as well. there was

actually an opportunity this time to hear what these two candidates views were on some very important issue is whether that was covid but into the environment and the like. again, you feel that on either side, anyone really managed to steal a march on his opponent? i thoughtjoe steal a march on his opponent? i thought joe biden steal a march on his opponent? i thoughtjoe biden showed empathy for the american people and what they are going to end donald tom didn't want to talk about it. we talked about how coronavirus is waning in the united states, when it is not. joe biden correctly pointed out that donald trump has been saying that since the winter. he said it would be over by easter. said it would be over in the summer. said it will be over now and that is just in the summer. said it will be over now and that isjust not happening. not only that, there is no plan to combat it. there is no plan to combat it. there is no plan to combat it. there is no coronavirus plan, no infrastructure plan, he just doesn't have any plans and can talk about what he wants to do ina talk about what he wants to do in a second term. so again, joe biden is way ahead going into this debate. donald trump needs

to do really well in this debate. he did not do it. on some specifics there you would have to agree that some of the big cities that have been ha rd est big cities that have been hardest hit are democrat controlled cities. that is really irrelevant because it is per capita, many of these midwestern and southern cities have been hit just midwestern and southern cities have been hitjust as much. some of the democratic city is of course are bigger. london is bigger than bristol so more people getting coronavirus in those places. they have their cities in the midwest. it has been very hard hits of the democratic cities then, joe biden is uniting the country and on campus is trying to divide the country. joe biden is way up. did donald trump do anything to change it? per capita death in say new york versus any midwestern city that he can come up with is a minimum 20 times that. so the per capita the is irrelevant based on what he is saying so it has nothing to do with the population base. it is because

of people forcing seniors back into nursing homes where there is already coronavirus and it is already coronavirus and it is spreading and caused over 30,000 deaths in new york city alone. i think that is wildly inaccurate. i want to ask one last point which is the polls. you know which way most of them are pointing. do they bother you in the least? the pills that i am watching at the same polls that in 2016 told us that president trump is to lose on election day. and so i think to continue to point out the polls isa continue to point out the polls is a fools errand. the only poster who called it accuracy in 2016 as there once again claiming that president trump is in the read and will win this year. which is what i believe as well. we don't have long to wait now. thank you both very much indeed for joining the debate with those on bbc news. stay with us on bbc news, still to come: so iran i ran because of you. i run

because of barack obama because you did a poorjob. if i thought you did a good job i would have never run. you know who i would have never run. you know wholam, would have never run. you know who i am, you know who he is. you know his character, you know my character. you know our reputation is for honour and telling the truth. that is what they think about each other. what are we to make of them and what they say? are they telling the truth? how is true? we will be finding out any moment.

this is bbc world news, the latest headlines. donald trump and joe biden clash in the final televised debate for the us presidential elections. more civilised in tone, but personal assaults emerged over each other‘s personal taxes and allegations about biden family business affairs. so both candidates launched personal attacks on their opponent's character.

how truthful was at this time around? how truthful was at this time around? with me is chris morris, our reality check correspondent. you have no excuse this time that you could hear what they had to say. you could hear arguments actually being developed and from a very low bar, in that respect, it was certainly better than the last debate. we knew it was going to kick off on coronavirus and from a fact checking perspective, i think in his first sentence donald trump said two or three things which we re said two or three things which were certainly questionable. he said that 2.2 million people we re said that 2.2 million people were expected to die in the united states. now, that is based on the famous imperial couege based on the famous imperial college survey in this country backin college survey in this country back in march. it said that in an unmitigated epidemic, when there were no measures taken, when nobody change their behaviour, in a worst—case scenario. absolute worst—case

scenario. absolute worst—case scenario. then perhaps have a million people would have died here in the uk and more than 2 million in the us but it certainly was not the expected number. he said a vaccine is expected in weeks which is not what his own scientific advisers are saying. next year is much more likely. and he said the excess mortality rate in the united states is lower than almost any other country. it is certainly lower than some but it is much higher than others. it is not his best bit of territory, if you like. joe biden was more comfortable talking about coronavirus simply because he is not in charge at the moment. but one thing are having covid spikes at the moment are primarily republican states and we can see a republican states and we can seea graph republican states and we can see a graph here which shows the state where the average daily cases per million in the last week at the highest. some of them are republican—led, south and north dakota, for example, but other very high numbers in democratic run states like wisconsin and montana. mr biden there being

misleading and is the suggestion that it was republican states primarily that this virus is taking hold. it is taking hold everywhere. you are picking out these areas where you could say that is not is it, is the essence. about the personal stuff, very difficult to be able to say to our force difficult to be able to say to ourforce and difficult to be able to say to our force and some of them are allegations. lots of mudslinging on ukraine and lots of mudslinging on china, hunter biden, mr biden's son. and allegations of corruption and counter allegations. difficult to fa ct counter allegations. difficult to fact check because these are all unproven allegations, really. but they did go on from that quite nasty spat, if you like, to actually talk about some international issues in some international issues in some detail. mr biden talked about the uk, the us trade deficit with china. it said that under trump is called the deficit with china to go up. biden set up not down. that's not quite right. it began in the beginning of mr trump's it

did start to go up but then mr trump imposed tariffs on chinese goods and it started to fall chinese goods and it started to fa ll very chinese goods and it started to fall very sharply. thank you very much indeed for that i know there is a lot more besides. we appreciate the reality checks coming thick and fast. to end both president trump and joe biden were questioned on leadership — asked to imagine their inauguration day and given one minute to explain what they would say to americans who did not vote for them, starting with the president. we have to make our country totally successful as it was prior to the play coming in from china and we are rebuilding it and doing record numbers. 11.4 million jobs rebuilding it and doing record numbers. 11.4 millionjobs in a short period of time. success is going to bring us together. we are on the road to success. iam we are on the road to success. i am cutting taxes and he wants to raise everybody‘s' taxes and puts new regulations and everything. he will kill it. if he gets and you will have a depression the likes of which you've never seen. 401(k) is

will go to hell and it will be a very very sad day for this country. i will say, i am a very very sad day for this country. iwill say, i am an american president. i represent all of you. whether you voted for me are against me. and i'm going to make sure that you are represented. i'm going to give you help. we are going to move into scientific fiction. we're going to choose hope over fear. we are going to choose to move forward because there are enormous opportunities, enormous opportunities, enormous opportunities, enormous opportunities to make things better. we can grow this economy. we can deal with the systemic racism and at the same time we can make sure that our economy is being run and moved and motivated by clean energy. creating millions of newjobs. and that is the fact. that is what we are going to do. and i'm going to say as i said at the beginning, what is on the ballot he re the beginning, what is on the ballot here is the character of this country. decency. 0n the. respect. treating people with dignity. making sure that everybody has an even chance. and i'm going to make sure that

you get that. you have not been getting at the last four years. last voice from those two. how is it all playing out on social media? so how has this debate been playing out on social media — with me is our reporter, paul hawkins. abraham abra ham lincoln abraham lincoln is one of the top trends in social media at the moment. it was mentioned a lot during the debate. many people picking up on that which is interesting because donna tommy that reference to race and race is the most googled election issue with donald trump and with joe election issue with donald trump and withjoe biden because that was interesting. the debate moderator trending on twitter, a lot of people praising herfor the way on twitter, a lot of people praising her for the way she handled it. chris wallace, the moderatorfrom handled it. chris wallace, the moderator from the first debate, he has been tweeting saying i wish that was a debate that i could have moderated myself. in terms of the level of the debate there was a lot more clarity to attend issues debated. google had published the number of search terms during the debate and there was

a lot more interchange on how americans were searching for issues which showed there was more connection between the american public and the thank you very much indeed for that. we have much more to come so don't go away. business elements coming up. thursday brought us a break from the rather unsettled varna whether we have seen. there was some sunshine to get out and about and enjoy some of the rather spectacular autumn colours on offer, but it was just a short weather window because, looking out in the atlantic, this swirl of cloud you can see here is the next area of low pressure that's going to be bringing rain across our shores for friday. and then further west, a developing area of low pressure. that's going to rapidly deepen to bring some strong winds across the uk this weekend. so, before we get there, a lot of cloud around at the moment. we've got some patches of rain working across from southwest england into the midlands, east anglia, probably see some in the southeast as well, and then this more general area of rain that's bringing some wet weather to northern ireland.

that's moving into scotland, western parts of england and wales early friday morning, before pushing eastwards. notice, though, the rain band does weaken significantly. there might be some areas across the midlands that escape the rain band altogether. same is true across east anglia and the southeast, with just perhaps a few patches of rain here and there to take us through the afternoon. it is an improving weather story, though, because for most of the northwest of the uk, we'll see some sunnier weather with just a few showers, mainly confined to the west coast of scotland through friday afternoon. the winds then start to pick up as we head through friday night. areas of rain begin to spread in and that really is what's on the menu for saturday. a very gusty day with some heavy rain moving its way eastwards. sunshine and showers will then follow for many of us as we head into the afternoon. here is our band of rain. notice some pretty gusty winds to start the day, then, for scotland and northern ireland, but it's actually on and ahead of this weather front that the winds will get really strong for a time across wales and across england.

it's going to be quite a short—lived, squally band of rain, so intense downpours and some strong gusts of wind. they could be strong enough to bring down a few tree branches. we could see some localised disruption out and about, the weather getting cooler into the northwest as those sunny conditions arrive across scotland and northern ireland but with some showers packed in as well. it stays quite windy, really, on sunday. generally a day of sunshine and showers, but close to the low pressure in the northwest, those showers will be frequent. showers won't just stay around coastal areas of england and wales. there's actually a trough moving through, so those showers will be blowing well inland. most of us, i think, will probably see a downpour or two.

this is bbc news with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. donald trump and joe biden clash in the final televised debate for the us presidential elections. more civilised in tone, but personal assaults emerged over each other‘s taxes, and allegations about biden family business affairs. people were saying $750. i asked them, a week ago, i said, what did i pay? they said, sir, you pre—paid tens of millions. i pre—paid my tax. you pre—paid tens of millions. i pre-paid my tax. this president paid 50 times the tax in china and has a secret bank account with china and does business in china. and in fact isn't talking about me taking money? i've not taken a single

penny from any country whatsoever. 0n the economy, president trump claimed his rival put the environment before growth. while mr biden denied ever saying he opposed fracking. if you get a sad day for this country. here's where we have a great opportunity. i was able to get the environmental organisations as well as the labour. people were worried aboutjobs labour. people were worried about jobs and they supported my climate plan because what it does is create millions of new, good paying jobs. with 11 days until the election, we'll ask who did best to win over the undecided voters. well, as you've been

hearing, the last of the televised presidential debates has just finished, and this time it was a much more "normal" debate than the tumultous first encounter. which was raucous to say the least. early exchanges were dominated by the coronavirus crisis — and about who was recieving foreign money. but the two also clashed repeatedly over economic policy, especially concerning health care. donald trump defended his administration's handling of the economy. and he claimed a vote for the democrats meant higher taxes. success is going to bring us together. we are on the road to success , together. we are on the road to success, but i am cutting taxes and he wants to raise everybody‘s taxis and put new regulations on everything. he will kill it. if he gets in, you will have a depression the likes of which you've never seen. your 401(k) will go to hell and it will be a very, very sad day for this country. we are going to choose to move

forward because we have enormous opportunities, enormous opportunities, enormous opportunities, enormous opportunities to make things better. we can grow this economy, we can deal with the systemic racism and at the same time we can make sure that our economy is being run and moved and motivated by clean energy, creating millions of newjobs. and that's the fact. that's what we're going to do. joining me now is lauren leader, co—founder and ceo of all in together. thanks forjoining us and i wonder what you made of the debate. we were saying it was a i°y debate. we were saying it was a joyjust to be able to hear them and get some policy discussion, to be fair. yes, and you are right that it was the first and only serious debate in the sense that there was the ability to cover a lot of ground and cover a lot of issues but let's not be too confused. it's normal insofar as no one was yelling and put it was abnormally many other

ways. one is that we are in the middle of a massive pandemic, millions and millions of americans were sickened today and we are in the middle of an economic downturn and the president used the debate stage to continue to reinforce false information, lies about the covid crisis and his handling of it and to use the stage to throw unfounded accusations that his opponent. it's only normal in that he was not screaming and that he was not, that the moderator wasn't forced to cut him off. we have a reality check system here and there were areas where both candidates could say the same about which information is being used. it almost feels like it's part and parcel of what you get in these debates these days. the point i suppose is this, it's about winning over undecided voters, isn't

it? there's no point other than that reason, so did you get a sense of where it might go? there are so few undecided voters left and that is what makes the debate so strange as it happens 12 days before an election when already 49 million have voted which is an enormous number. in the last four years, many states have added early voting to their programme for americans to get to the polls and they've taken it very seriously and that means we've got to a debate at a point where a huge percentage of the american electorate has not only voted, they've also made up their minds in the polls have shown for months that there are few undecided voters left and we have deeply polarised candidates on both sides of the spectrum. there are not a lot of people who are confused and in the middle. that's a really interesting point, and a lot of it is

probably covid related, but people are getting out and doing the postal voting and moving faster than the system ina moving faster than the system in a way. more than just postal voting they are showing up and voting they are showing up and voting in person in massive numbers, huge lines at polling places almost every state with early voting open and new york will add early voting this weekend and you will see numbers continue to grow. there we re numbers continue to grow. there were 7 million american voters voted today. in some ways the debate format feels outdated because to run a debate 12 days before the election when so many elections have made up their minds, it feels outdated. it's an interesting point. is it outdated all the timing is wrong? basically, this last debate should have been a month ago. and then everyone would know where they stood. the fact is americans knew where they stood even if we did the debates a month ago. we have many sources of news and information about the candidates. we have an incumbent president who has beenin incumbent president who has been in office for the last four years and we have a

democratic candidate who has beenin democratic candidate who has been in the public eye for the last 40 plus years. americans knew both of these men and were clear about the differences between them. a lot of the campaign has been prosecuted not from getting to know them in new ways, but from ways in which the candidates have reinforced for americans what they already knew about them and that's been true on both sides. many americans, and especially those in the middle, independent voters and moderate republicans, moved away from the president long ago. what hasn't happened is that he has not been successful in winning back or growing the coalition on his side of the aisle, and i think it could potentially lead to pretty substantial think it could potentially lead to pretty su bsta ntial losses, not just for to pretty su bsta ntial losses, notjust for him, to pretty su bsta ntial losses, not just for him, but for to pretty su bsta ntial losses, notjust for him, but for his party. it's interesting, and one of the points president trump was making was thatjoe biden has the best part of five decades of political record. i don't know whether it is to fall back on or be picked through and mrtrump fall back on or be picked through and mr trump obviously wa nts to through and mr trump obviously

wants to pick through it. that's perhaps one of the problems for voters that they are looking for something new, vigorous, dynamic and probably not going to get it from either of these two. no, i don't think that's what voters are looking for. i think what american voters are looking for is stability, security and a sense that there is somebody competent at the helm of the nation at a time when millions of people are sick and dying. it isa of people are sick and dying. it is a totally different political dynamic than we have had in my lifetime, and the fa ct had in my lifetime, and the fact that americans do knowjoe biden i think has been reassuring to them. it's part of why he won the primary over a lot of newer, younger, more potentially exciting candidates. that is not what american one right now, they wa nt american one right now, they want someone they know and trust and i know both candidates. does that mean that joe biden will win the presidency? no. but it's empowering a different dynamic in this race than we've seen and we don't know what the outcome of the election will be put at this point biden has had

consistent and substantial leads in lots of places that the democrats did not succeed in 2016 and it tells you something about his message which has not been one of transformational change and turning everything on its head. it's been one of reassuring the american people that he knows what he's doing and he can keep them safe and healthy. ultimately, just in a word or two, do you feel about the debate was valuable? no. i think it's part of the political circus, in a sense, andi political circus, in a sense, and i don't think it's change anybody‘s mind. it's valuable to hear what the candidates have to say always, but nobody is mind was dramatically changed 12 days before the election. lauren, thank you very much for your time. while the economy wasn't one of the five topics on this debate agenda, it's still top of most voters minds.

evenif even if tied into the covid pandemic. but did the debate tell us anything more about how the two candidates will steer economic policy? joining me now is thomas hogan, senior fellow at the american institute for economic research. thanks forjoining us. well, it did, would be the short answer is we got some clear policy differences on the economy. good to see you. i don't know, we did have a lot of discussion about the economy but it was kind of randomly scattered throughout and we had some comments about taxes on the stock market and a little bit about regulations and how they affect job growth but about regulations and how they affectjob growth but we didn't really discuss the economic plans are either candidate very much so it's hard to tell what information voters would have gathered from that. one of the issues that struck me was that joe biden was pushing for more than a doubling of the minimum wage and donald trump saying that if you're going to deal with that at all it should be a

federal issue but one for every individual state to work out.|j think that's true. that size are increasing the minimum wage would robbie have serious effects on a lot of state and be very different across the united states, so it's hard to tell what a big blanket policy like that would have in different states. we've definitely seen cases like when porto rico was subject to a minimum wage applied to a lot of countries, they had low skilled workers who became unemployed and it had a much bigger effect on that one part of the country than most other areas so i think that's a legitimate concern. one of the other concerns donald trump was keen to raise was levels of spending. we talked about $100 trillion is the cost for the democrats meeting their environmental commitments and talked about essentially socialising health care and that it would all be funded by the government. these are huge

sums. i'm not asking you to fa ct sums. i'm not asking you to fact check, but do people buy into those figures, do you think? yes, i think the things they mention the debate aren't a lwa ys they mention the debate aren't always what people care about or remember. most people aren't watching the debate to find out the exact numbers for a certain policy, they are watching to get a feel for the candidates and whether they think they would be a good person as president. they learn a little bit from it. we did hear some things about some specific numbers, but we know what the policies of the candidates will be. we look atjoe biden and we know he will tax a lot more and spend a lot more. we look at donald trump and he will spend more but he will make taxes lower, so we kind of know what they will do already and even bigger than that is the fact thatjoe biden will probably be adding a lot of regulations to basically all sectors of the economy whereas donald trump says he wants to cut regulations to try and

encourage businesses to hire new workers. you hit the nail on the head. that is why it is such a polarised moment in the state, because you are either thinking, i could lose myjob i've lost myjob and i need help, or you think, i've lost myjob and i need help, oryou think, how i've lost myjob and i need help, or you think, how do i hold onto this and the idea of more taxes and regulation is the last thing i need. write comments staff in the context is important because the united states right now, we are just recovering from the worst ever economic in us history and in quarter two we had a contraction of 31.4% which was bigger than the great depression. and yet we've largely bounced back from that in the employment —— an employment rate was 14.7% and we are already down to 7.9% in september and the long run average is 6%, so we could be looking at that at the end of the year, but a lot of states are still restricted from the lockdown policies from the coronavirus crisis. thomas,

thank you for your insight. we will come back to the presidential debate in a moment but we want to squeeze in a few other business stories for you. goldman sachs has agreed to pay nearly $3billion to end a probe of its role in the 1mdb corruption scandal. the bank's malaysian subsidiary also admitted in us court that it had paid more than $1 billion in bribes to win work raising money for the malaysian state—owned wealth fund. in all the bank has so far paid over $5 billion to regulators worldwide, chinese tech giant huawei has released its latest smartphone called the mate 40. it's the latest in its new products that does not come with google services built in, but includes a 5g chip. the release comes even as huawei faces difficulties buying technology needed to build its phone from overseas manufacturers because of us sanctions. the us' food and drug administration has formally approved the antiviral

drug remdesivir as a treatment for the coronavirus. it's the first and only coronavirus treatment fully approved in the country. doctors there have been using the drug since may, when the regulator temporarily authorised it for treatment. australian airline qantas ha held its annual shareholders meeting, and investors were presented with a rather grim picture. the carrier is operating at 30% capacity and around 18,000 emplyees remain stood down, receiving government benefits rather than their usual pay. let's go to our asia business correspondent karishma vaswani who's following the story. it looks like a poor perspective as to when things might pick up. yes, david, very much pandemic to blame for the woes at qantas. what the company was able to tell us was that because of state border closures due to the coronavirus

pandemic it has cost the airline something like $100 million in the first quarter and that is going to have a negative impact going forward as well and as you mentioned, the airline is running at less than 30% of his normal capacity and it was a busy period, around 60% capacity and this has been as a result of the fa ct has been as a result of the fact that they simply don't know what is going to happen going forward and a lot of it is going to depend on when states start to open borders to one another and in australia they still have not had the full effect of having neighbouring states opening up borders, and qantas said that if that happened, by christmas time, but looking ahead

overseas and most of the international flights have been grounded and it doesn't like things will change soon. 0ne grounded and it doesn't like things will change soon. one of the key concerns is how you use the key concerns is how you use the travel bubbles that are starting with new zealand and that could help qantas to fly to places that it had not flown to places that it had not flown to before and they are looking at places like south korea, taiwan and various pacific islands. stay with us on bbc news, still to come: more analysis of the presidential debate. 0lder, slimmer, but as he sat down... .

this is bbc world news, the latest headlines. they focus very much around that presidential tv debate, joe biden and donald trump going head but in a rather more civilised way than we saw in the initial debate. we'll be discussing who won and who lost, and we know what we get because one is a grant and a republican but we will ask a little bit about the value of these presidential debates as we head towards the election, the point being made that many have voted and postal votes, but also turning up at polling booths and they hadn't even heard the debate, so how many are heard the debate, so how many a re left heard the debate, so how many are left in terms of people who really haven't made up their minds? we will tackle that in a moment. 0ur minds? we will tackle that in a moment. our main headline this hour. donald trump and joe

biden clash in the final televised debate ahead of the us presidential elections. it is more civilised in tone but still personal assaults emerging over each other‘s personal taxes and allegations about the biden family business affairs. 0ne about the biden family business affairs. one of the biggest topics for the candidates to discuss, one of the six, in fa ct, discuss, one of the six, in fact, laid out in the debate was the environment. president from calling joe biden's climate planning and economic disaster. if you look at him, you know who developed your climate plan. aoc, plus three. she's got a good line of stuff but she knows nothing about the climate and they are all hopping through hoops for aoc plus three. the real plan cost $100 trillion. if we had the best year in the history of our country for a hundred years, we would not even come close to a number like that. when he says buildings, they want to take buildings, they want to take buildings down because they wa nt to buildings down because they

want to make bigger windows into smaller windows. as far as they are concerned, if they had no window it would be a lovely thing. this is the craziest plan anybody has ever seen and it wasn't done by smart people. this wasn't done by anybody, frankly, i don't know how it can be good environmentally. they want to spend $100 trillion. that's the real numberand trillion. that's the real number and he's trying to say was six. they want to knock down buildings and build new buildings with a little tiny, small windows and many other things. let me have the vice president respond and we have more questions. you have destroyed our country.|j more questions. you have destroyed our country. i don't know where he comes from and where he comes up with the numbers. $100 trillion. give me a break. this plan was endorsed by every major environmental group and every labour group. labour. because they know the future lies in us being able to breathe and they know there are

good jobs and getting us there and by the way, the fastest growing industry in america is solar energy and wind. he thinks wind and wind mills causes cancer. it's the fastest growing job and they pay good, prevailing wages, 45, 50 bucks an hour. we can grow and be cleaner if we go the route i'm proposing. how to tackle the environment, two different views. i'm joined again from los angeles by mathew littman — a former chief speech writer forjoe biden, and a former senior advisor to barack obama. in atlanta we can speak to seth weathers, who's a republican strategist and former director of the 2016 trump campaign in georgia. thanks for being with us again. we have had around one of our debate and we have a chance to have another here. issues of the environment coming up there. seth, let me ask you, that point about the $100 trillion figure. i'm not quite

sure where that came from and i didn't fully understand the big window and small windows reference. how strong a platform is he on there? he is referring to the great new deal that the biden campaign has endorsed on their website right now, and it refers that it's a very crazy scheme to redo how our buildings are made in the us and it does involve smaller windows and all kinds of bizarre design changes, which would require destroying and rebuilding nearly every major skyscraper in the us. it's an absurd, explain —— insane plan and its push by some of the far left nuts like aoc in the us here, and it's a pine biden has in place and is a multi—trillion dollar plan, totally unfeasible and totally nuts. a fairly powerful thing

to declare with that figure attached, and also being able to say thatjoe biden, and donald trump made a big point of it, that he was ready to pull down the oil industry in the us. whatever the truth of that, it's another difficult message to deal with. let's go to the environmental issue first, and the environmental issue, the american people overwhelmingly support joe biden's plan and it's important to point out that moody analytic say they plan will add 7 million more jobs than donald trump's plans, and others say joe biden's plan would add many more jobs than donald trump and boost the economy, so that's talking about how the environmental plans will help the economy. that's number one. numbertwo, joe the economy. that's number one. number two, joe biden has said before there is no fracking on federal land and he said he wanted to take away the subsidies for oil companies and the way the american people are looking at this and that is why

joe biden is 11 points ahead is that he is better on the economy than donald trump. we are down to the last minute which is a shame because i think this could go on a lot and we are getting a bit more background, but let me ask you this and it was a good point brought up earlier in the programme. is it frankly too late to have the last debate when so many people have already voted? in one sentence, seth? what you have is that the majority of the people who have voted now, if you look at the voter results, the majority of people who vote in our typical voters in every elections and they are either hard left or ha rd they are either hard left or hard right democrats and republicans, so people have chosen to vote early or by mail, so, i've got to stop you because i have to let matthew have a shower. there have been to debate and joe biden swung the debate with only 11 days until the end of the election and it is too late for donald trump. thank you very much indeed. good sports as well as

keen debaters. good to have you on the programme. thanks for watching on bbc news. a big day in the presidential election, and 11 days still to go. it was a short weather window, and looking out of the atlantic, the swell of cloud you can see is the next area of low pressure that will bring rain across our shores for friday and then further west, a developing area of low pressure which will rapidly deepen to bring some strong winds across the uk this weekend. so, before we get there, a lot of cloud at the moment with patches of rain working across from south—west england into the midlands, east anglia and you might see some in the south—east and then a more general area of rain is bringing wet weather to northern ireland and that is moving into scotland, western parts of england and wales, early friday morning before

pushing east and notice the rain does weaken significantly and there might be areas across the midlands that escape the band altogether and the same is true across east anglia and the south—east with perhaps patches of rain here and there to ta ke us through the afternoon. it is an improving weather story because for most of the north—west of the uk we will see sunny weather with just a few showers, mainly confined to the west coast of scotland through friday afternoon. the wind starts to pick up as we head through friday night with areas rain beginning to spread in and that really is what is on the menu for saturday. a very gusty day with some heavy rain moving east and sunshine and showers will then follow for many of us as we head into the afternoon. here is the band of rain and notice some gusty winds to start for scotland and northern ireland but it's actually on and ahead of the weather front that the wind will get really strong for a time across wales and across england and it will be quite a short lived, squally band of rain, so intense downpours and strong gusts, strong enough to bring down tree branches and we

could see localised disruption out and about, the weather getting cooler in the north—west as sunny conditions arrive across scotland and northern ireland but with showers packed in as well. quite windy on sunday, generally a day of sunshine and showers but close to the low pressure in the north showers will be frequent and they won't just lay around coastal areas and there is a trough moving through, so the showers will blow well inland and most of us will probably see a downpour or two.

good morning, welcome to breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. 0ur headlines today. donald trump and joe biden clash in theirfinal debate before the us election — they argued over each other‘s personal tax affairs and the handling of the coronavirus pandemic. more and more people are getting better. we have a problem that's a worldwide problem. this is a worldwide problem. but i've been congratulated by the heads of many countries on what we've been able to do. you folks home will have an empty chair at the kitchen table this morning. that man or wife gone to bed tonight or reaching over to try to touch their — out of habit — where their wife or husband was is gone. learning to live with it?