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the ship tries to distance itself from the nightmare. this latest play by winsome pinnock explores race and slavery. it was due to open in manchester just days before the lockdown in march. how dare he make something so ugly beautiful. but like many other theatre productions, it's been put on hold. the play could not have come at a more poignant time, just months after the death of george floyd in the us. my generation have been trying to speak about this for decades. we have been trying to write about these things. we've witnessed these deaths. this is not new to us. winsome pinnock was the first black female writer to stage a play at the royal national theatre. she's also written for shows like eastenders. you run home and tell
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your mum and dad. but in the arts, she's still very much in the minority. why do you think it is taking so long to have this equal representation? because if you are given power, then why would you think to give it up? that, dare i say it, colonial mentality. there's also a lack of diversity in ballet, but bucking the trend is francesca heywood, who started dancing at the age of three. i was meant to make my debut in the main role of swan lake a week after lockdown happened. these coveted roles are even more special for people like francesca. looking back, all my role models, they didn't look like me. maybe race is something i never really liked to talk about, but i've actually realised that i would regret not talking about it, and i should be really shining a light on the fact that i'm here.
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do you think there is enough diversity in representation, not just in ballet, but in the arts in general? i think the arts have still a long way to go. despite the challenges, both women are positive about the future. we're seeing writers who look like me move from the fringes onto the main stages. my ultimate hope is there will be so many more mixed race and black ballerinas after me, and that i hope they won't have to be singled out and asked about their race, that it isjust a part of them, as it is for me. adina campbell, bbc news. that's it. now on bbc one, time for the news where you are.
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hello, welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are the former pensions minister bras altman and the writer and broadcaster. right then, tomorrow's front pages, starting with the telegraph, which says downing street is working on the second wave of coronavirus will be more deadly than the first. the ft headlines hsbc, two largest of europe's banks, declaring the worst of the economic damage from coronavirus is behind them. the eye leads with a story covering tonight, the pressure growing on boris johnson to show how the regional lockdowns can be eased. the guardian it calls for national lockdown on growing as the uk death toll from covid—i9 exceed 60,000. the yorkshire post headlines warnings
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that holiday clubs trialed across the summer well not be enough to solve their free school meals crisis. so let's get started straightaway. we are going to start with the story in the front page of the daily telegraph because it's a real startling one. the headline is pretty simple. it says the second wave forecast to be more deadly than the first. if you can see the graph they are behind the picture of the medical professional in the mask they are, you can see the spike on they are, you can see the spike on the left—hand side which is the first wave, then the red line going across is the second wave, which goes to about halfway up the first wave, but goes on for a longer period. and that's why they seem to be warning that the second wave is forecasted to be more deadly than the first. rights, shall we come to you first on this, so just explain exactly how the daily telegraph i've got to these finding. well, what the daily telegraph is quoting is a scenario that has been apparently
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put in front of the prime minister by his advisers, this age group, who are saying that the current trend on their model suggests that the number of people dying over the winter months — which is the second wave— will be greater then potentially the number who died will be greater then potentially the numberwho died in will be greater then potentially the number who died in the first wave — which of course was in the spring coming into summer. so that was at the end of the season of normal flu and colds and coughs and things. what i think one has to stress is that these are models, and it is not necessarily the most likely scenario, but it's a possible scenario. of course, the prime minister has tojudge scenario. of course, the prime minister has to judge how likely this is, and what then to do about it, because, of course, the risk here is that there are other damages
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being done by measures designed to stop people dying from covid, lots of people are dying from cancer and so of people are dying from cancer and so on,. do want to pick up on that point, what do you make of this idea that the second wave is forecasted to be more deadly than the first? well, certainly, we have seen the infections rise. we thought when the liberalization came in july that slowly, we wouldn't have a second way. we clearly are in the middle of a second wave, way. we clearly are in the middle of a second wave, one way. we clearly are in the middle of a second wave, one of the things that the telegraph stories has is that the telegraph stories has is that within a few weeks, we would have 500 deaths, and that level of death would carry on for a much longer time, but even if we had restrictions, these deaths could carry on well into next year. now, that hasn't been the scenario. the problem is, yes, iagree with that hasn't been the scenario. the problem is, yes, i agree with the modelling, you know, that we have had various modelling figures, and scientists, if you like, trying to
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predict what's went to heaven in the future, and it's not easy to predict what's went to happen in the future. nevertheless, these are very very alarming statistics to the recent science suggests that the number of infections are growing in the number of areas where the infections are growing is also increasing and we all know what's happening in the north. the fact is what this illustrates is that the measures taken in the north have so far evidently not worked. let's go to the front page of the guardian. i get a sense from your warnings that some of the measures to try and prevent the spread of covid have other downsides. so i will be interested to see what you make of this. the front page calls for national lockdown grow as uk death toll exceed 60,000. of course, we should point out that some areas like wales already in a fire break national lockdown there will stop what do you make of that? well, again, none of this is easy, but i think one also has to look at this in context, you know. lockdown
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doesn't get rid of the virus. it may stop people getting together so it doesn't spread so much, but you can't lockdown forever. and we don't know how long the virus is going to last. of course, we are into the season last. of course, we are into the season where people always, u nfortu nately, season where people always, unfortunately, are going to be dying from things like flu. at the moment, covid seems to have replaced flu. now, yes, the number of cases is rising, the number of deaths is much, much lower — relative to the cases — and indeed the number of people who are in hospital who are getting better now is also refreshingly much, much lower. but the idea seems to be, let's have a sharp lockdown, stop people mixing as much as possible, but then what? you know, as soon as you open up, we have seen that already, we tried the lockdown, the virus will still be
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there. so i think we need a long—term strategy here, rather than a series of short term knee jerk reactions, and i think that's why the prime minister has not gone for this so—called circuit breaker, because at the end of the day, where do you go after that? what do you make of that analysis there of a short—term circuit breaker? make of that analysis there of a short-term circuit breaker? well, the problem here is as she says, we have got to have a strategy, but why haven't we had a strategy? when the pandemic started, we were slow and late in having a lockdown, and when that dramatic television broadcast by the prime minister, i must give instruction to the british people to stay home, the idea was that the lockdown will be a couple of weeks, and then the whole thing would be overin and then the whole thing would be over in the promise was held out that christmas would be a normal christmas, and it's not clear that christmas, and it's not clear that christmas will be a normal christmas. the problem here has always been that the government has never seemed to have a proper
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strategy. are we going to live with his may risk was make if we are, how are we going to live with a? is the vaccine really the solution? this idea has been created, we are going to have a vaccine and everybody can get vaccinated. and what's now emerging from the scientists themselves is that that may not be possible, that that may not work for everyone , possible, that that may not work for everyone, it won't be like a flu jab. sol everyone, it won't be like a flu jab. so i think what's been lacking throughout this whole crisis has beena throughout this whole crisis has been a broad strategy of where we go and how we get there. well, on that, it's not just and how we get there. well, on that, it's notjust you calling for the outcome of the front page, the headline, "show us the coronavirus exit strategy." i see you are not doing nodding along to this, the idea that pressure is growing in the premise or to explain how regional lockdowns can be eased.|j premise or to explain how regional lockdowns can be eased. i think that is completely understandable. this is completely understandable. this is basically trying to judge something that we have never seen before. we are feeling our way
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forward but peoples lives are at risk here. notjust forward but peoples lives are at risk here. not just from forward but peoples lives are at risk here. notjust from covid but from lots of other things. in the meantime, there has to be hope, there has to be a clear vision of what happens after this. you can have a lockdown forever. tier 3 can't last forever. soy think a lot of people are saying, "look, is this the right way forward? how do we get out of the pain that lockdown causes? " tier 3 with pubs and gyms and causes? " tier 3 with pubs and gyms a nd restau ra nts causes? " tier 3 with pubs and gyms and restaurants closed and people are not and restaurants closed and people a re not really and restaurants closed and people are not really sure what's coming next, we are going into winter, as i say, earlier, we were going into summer, say, earlier, we were going into summer, we say, earlier, we were going into summer, we had nice weather, people could go outside, that is not the case through the winter, normally. so we really do, i think, need to understand how long this will last
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for, what the signals are that will mean that we can come out of it. for example, looking at things like in the context of a normal year, how many extra people are in hospital? a week or two ago, the level of i see you admissions and people in hospitals was pretty much the same as it was this time last year and the year before. so, we have to keep monitoring this and putting it into context. let's just monitoring this and putting it into context. let'sjust bring him in on this. do get a sense anecdotally that people living under those firmer restrictions are getting tired of fat? well, i think they are getting tired and also, i don't know what they're doing, first of all, they are not aware often of the rules. secondly, because the rules are very complicated and seem to change all the time, and secondly, some of them, one must say, the british are very honest and upright and so on, some of them are not
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being as british as we would like them to become a probably not going toa them to become a probably not going to a restaurant and giving their rate details and so on. and this is happening. there is a lot of slippage there, and because the fact is we have had too many changes over a period of time. this is where the exit strategy is needed. a clearly laid out exit strategy as to how it's going to go. 0k, we will leave coronavirus there just for a moment. back to the front page of the daily telegraph. they are covering a story that we have been covering here on bbc news, an awful story, the headline reads, "two children among four held as migrant boat sinks in channel." mihir, the details of this are upsetting. they are very upsetting. there are lots of migrants trying to get here from france. we had more than seven have thousands this year so file —— seven have thousands so far this year. and there were others killed along with
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there were others killed along with the children, and of course this is a huge migration problem that has been ongoing for a long time now, and the british government is in negotiations with the french government as to what can be done about it, but to to solve the problem, you have got to have a broader strategy here, again, but dealing with these migrants coming from iraq and iran and how do you deal with that? how do you ensure that they don't keep pouring in? ros, practical solution to this does seem ros, practical solution to this does seem pretty elusive. it does, and it's heartbreaking when you think about it. the 9:30am this morning, little children thrust into the sea, and some of them have died, 15 other people were rescued, but some of them had cardiac arrest or hypothermia, and as we go through into much colder seasons, the risk to migrants lives when they set off across the sea is growing, but it's
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not an easy thing to solve. france doesn't want them, we don't want them, and they are kind of stuck. so what i hope will happen is that there will be some agreement to the numbers of migrants that we can take oi’ numbers of migrants that we can take or methods of taking them back if they are economic migrants to the places where they've come from or if they are political refugees, people fleeing for their lives, you can't just send them back. no, ros, we will leave that one there. thank you for that. to the yorkshire post now, mihir, this is continuing on marcus rushford, the footballer‘s campaign, headline there is, "holiday clubs not enough to feed children." can you just explain that to us? into summer, clubs had been trialed in several places in yorkshire to feed children during the summer. if you remember, back in the spring and the whole question was, "what happens to
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children's meals when they are

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