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hello, i'm ros atkins, this is outside source. still no winner in america. the outcome depends on the results in just a few states, and they‘ re still counting. with millions of ballots left to sift through, donald trump has already claimed — without evidence that he's won, saying the democrats are trying to steal the election. saying the democrats are trying to steal the election. we'll be going to the us supreme court, we want all voting to stop. we don't want them to find and eat ballots at four o'clock in the morning and add them to the list. joe biden‘s team has called efforts to stop the count of millions of legitimate votes, ‘outrageous‘. we are going to have to be patient until we come of the hard work of
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tallying votes is finished. and it ain't over until every vote is counted. every ballot is counted. the count goes on. the wait goes on. we knew it would — it's all a standard part of the electoral process. but that doesn't lessen the drama. maine is the only state to have been projected in the past few hours — with 3 of its 4 electoral college votes likely to go tojoe biden. which means: joe biden has electoral college votes, donald trump has 213. to become president, they need 270. the us elections project — compiled by an academic at the university of florida — estimates that the total turnout is a record 160 million voters. that figure includes more than 100 million early voters. and 65 million of
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them voted by mail. and president trump has repeatedly launched baseless attacks on mail in voting. he's tweeted ‘last night i was leading, his campaign says he has filed a suit in michigan one of the key stay still be projected because they want to stop the counting of ballots. dale a demand to review those ballots which were opened and counted while we do not have meaningful access. counted while we do not have meaningfulaccess. president counted while we do not have meaningful access. president also earlier tweeted. .. twitter labelled that with a warning it might be misleading. i'll label it with a warning too — it was always going to be the case that trump had a lead in some of these states — we know democrats are more likely to vote by mail, republicans more like to vote in person.
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so it was completely expected that michigan, pennsylvania and wisconcin would skew towards trump in the early stages. that does not tell us which man is going to win in the states. and there have been no surprise ballot dumps. no evidence of significant voter fraud — not in this election — not in any recent american election. the biden camp was assertive from the start of the night. it wasjoe biden not donald trump who spoke first last night — saying he thought he was going to win. and here's a senior biden campaign official saying in the last few hours... barbara plett—usher is in delaware what is the latest from there? we are expecting mr biden to speak in the next couple of hours to give an
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update on where the campaign sees the state of the situation, and we're expecting it to be a positive announcement or a positive assessment because that's what we have been hearing from campaign officials. they say that the biden campaign is on track to win 270 electoral college votes, and that that could be the case already by the end of today. they believe that they have one in wisconsin, in fact cnn has projected wisconsin for the democrats. forjoe biden. they also believe that they are on track to win in michigan and to keep nevada. they say that that will give them enough to win the election even if they don't win in pennsylvania, those funds will be coming in that count will be coming in later in the week. they say they are on track to win there but believe they can get it 270 by the end of the day. they also have talked about legal challenges from the trump can noting that they had for they were prepared for this because the republicans
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have already been watching legal cases during the voting and had signalled that they would do so afterwards and they would have to do that because the trump campaign already asked for a recount of votes in wisconsin and that has filed a case in michigan. just a few minutes ago we got the announcement that it filed a case in michigan to stop the vote counting claiming that republicans did not get access to enough access to the vote counting and want to review those votes where they claimed they did not have access. thank you very much indeed. janet napolitano is the former governor of arizona — and a former us secretary of homeland security. thank you very much indeed for joining us. we appreciate your time today. what do you make of where we have reached and how the biden campaign is playing it?|j have reached and how the biden campaign is playing it? i think we are as expected. where president trump did relatively well with
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voters that voted yesterday and were the democrats strength is with literally voters and voters that cast their ballots by mail. mail in ballots have been part of the american electoral system for decades, when i was a candidate in arizona over half the ballots cast we re arizona over half the ballots cast were cast by mail. in those mail in ballots have been free of fraud, and have been validly cast. so well president trump mate want to resort to the courts i think the final court is the court of the voters. are you concerned because evidently not only people within the trump campaign but many of his millions of supporters have profound doubts about the system, but whether mr trump is being treated fairly. that has the potential to cause huge amounts of tension, doesn't it?|j think president trump is causing the tension. i think he has been causing it for months by kind of lobbing
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unfounded accusations about an electoral system that has worked well in this country for decades. and that has been free of the kinds of mass voter fraud that he alleges. and so he throws a lot of sparks in the fire but again the american electoral system is a system is sound. we just need to be electoral system is a system is sound. wejust need to be patient and let all the votes be counted. can he ask about the state which you represent to come arizona because it's right at the centre of the story. projected forjoe biden would bea story. projected forjoe biden would be a shift from 2016 when it went to trump. how do you explain to our viewers around the world where that shift has occurred 7 viewers around the world where that shift has occurred? arizona will go for a bite in this year, the first time it will have gone for a democrat for president since 1996. and only the second time for a
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democrat since 19118. it's more of a larger trend that we are going to be seeing across the sunbelt of the united states. a gradual trend from republican to democrats partially a reflection of changing demographics, partially a reflection of changing economic opportunities and economies in those states, and partially a result of basically better messaging by the democrats. we appreciate you joining us, thank you very much indeed. would you bring in the touch screen, because we had another important moment in the last few minutes. yes, cnn is projecting wisconsin forjoe biden. now this is a very
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interesting state because the democrats in wisconsin that they had the state. they were declaring victory there. before we were projecting at or before any other media all that was projecting at but as you have heard from barbara there as you have heard from barbara there a little while ago if the margin a potential victory is very tight commit there it could be attested by the republicans so it is still a state that we are keeping in play. wisconsin is up in the northeast as you can seek a board of the great states and it's the great states here that are yet to be called. and the ones with the battle for the selection of this presidential election is now being fought. it's refu nd election is now being fought. it's refund the balance as you can see, joe biden on 227 electoral college votes. donald trump one to 13. that's adding to the tension because
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both sides think they have very plausible routes to the white house still. let me apply to paths to the white house and one for each man. my blue pen here forjoe biden and nevada was democratic last time around in 2016. they have stopped counting they will resume uk time tomorrow at five p: m.. counting they will resume uk time tomorrow at five p:m.. let us assume for the purposes of this scenario thatjoe biden keeps nevada for the democrats. arizona is thought to be very competitive, let's say the democrats get arizona. wisconsin we have just discussed, but they do seem have just discussed, but they do seem confident. that leaves them short by 16 electoral college votes. michigan would take it to that magic 270. that is a passer white house that for the democrats they think is a likely scenario. i'm going to take you back to the situation as it stands and do exactly the same thing
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for donald trump. at least red pen here, i conversely will give now arizona which is very competitive, but that is a hold for the republicans and let's assume that they hold georgia where they are still counting, and they hold north carolina where they are still counting. that leaves donald trump short by 15 electoral college votes. say he were to triumph in pennsylvania, hang on to pennsylvania, hang on to pennsylvania which he got by a sliver last time around, that take some of the line to 275. so for donald trump it would appear that he has to win pennsylvania in order to stay in the white house. thank you very much indeed. your time saying there was a 95% chance that george was going one way, fox news saying the other way. so it's a difficult
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one for us media and for understandable read in a boat we plot their projections of this to each day and see where we have reached. nothing is concluded. let's reread that. president trump has repeatedly launched baseless attacks on mail in voting. and he followed it up which is completely normal because we knew they would not start counting mainly ballots until tuesday morning and it would take a while. also they filed a suit in michigan to halt the counting of ballots, the trump campaign says it also demands and this is a quote, to review those ballots which were opened and counted while they did not have meaningful access. we need to try and understand a little bit more about what that actually means
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because going back and looking at votes that have been counted is a complex process. looks like the trump campaign would like to do that. lots of issues in voters minds going into the election. we thought that covid—19 would be the dominant issue, the examples fascinating and suggest that the economy was the biggest issue and second was the issue of race. no doubt connected to nationwide protests we saw after the death of george floyd at the hands of police. 0ne death of george floyd at the hands of police. one of the keynote speakers at one major black lives matter event was reverend william barber. and leads the poor people's campaign, a national call for a moral revival rev. and hejoins us live. were and he joins us live. were you surprised to see that racial inequality was the second most important issue to voters was yellow no because rachel inequality are connected and poverty and some interesting ways. as step of suppressing the vote racially are the same people voting against
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things that actually hurts black—and—white people. in the midst of everyone they are not drawn to the wages you but we get the politicians who are voting against out politicians who are voting against our very lives and what you but we knew going into this that it took only 1% of low wealth people regardless of their colour in michigan to change the margins from la st michigan to change the margins from last time. took less than 10% in wisconsin to change the margin of victory. we knew in the south you can close the gap by expanding the numberof can close the gap by expanding the number of poor can close the gap by expanding the numberof poorand can close the gap by expanding the number of poor and low wealth people, black, white, brown, indigenous voting. 0ne people, black, white, brown, indigenous voting. one reason this out is so close. growth carolina has not been called, georgia has not been called, and you see the transforming of the south and it's going to be through poor and low wealth people. one third of all poor white and black people live in the south. regardless of colour they wa nt south. regardless of colour they want a living wage. a larger percentage of them want health care. these issues are deeply connected and what we have with trump is someone and what we have with trump is someone who isjust and what we have with trump is someone who is just trying to scare people and play the old playbook,
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but the demographics and the reality is shifting that across the country. this isjust the is shifting that across the country. this is just the first time is shifting that across the country. this isjust the first time in is shifting that across the country. this is just the first time in this election. and who you are not convinced by what donald trump is offering but where are you convinced by whatjoe biden is offering? he was part of the 0bama administration for eight years, and many african—americans for eight years, and many african—america ns would say for eight years, and many african—americans would say that those eight years did not profoundly change their experience at all.l few, not many that are uninformed. that of the matter is that unemployment in african american communities dropped extraordinarily among biden and 0bama. he brought us out of a depression. trump says he did more for african—americans than almost abraham did more for african—americans than almost abra ham lincoln did more for african—americans than almost abraham lincoln and that's not true. the health care plan, even those not for health care, give or african—americans health care and protection from being cut off of health care with pre—existing conditions than in the history of this country. and so we cannot say that things did not change if they
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did. and biden is talking about living wages and we passed living wages 49 million people rise out of poverty the minute you have $15 and the union. saying he will expand health care, it will help everyone. that's we have 20 million votes that are not counted yet. trump knows they can't win this race of press they can't win this race of press the vote and let covid racer in the election, we did not have to have this kind of covid during the election. that's why they're giving out this misinformation because they're trying to do everything they can to hold onto power. thank you very much indeed for talking to us. the truck campaign of course maintaining it has handled the pandemic excellently. and it says he believes it has the votes to win this election. we don't know whether either campaign has the votes to win because certain key states have not been projected. in the past hour the trump campaign has said it will challenge the election result
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in wisconsin — and demand a recount. it claimed irregularities. the margin is less than 1 percent — which is within the threshold to seek a recount. we should also say in this is really important, with the wind wisconsin orany important, with the wind wisconsin or any other state by one vote or a million votes, you take all of the electoral college votes and that's why it is so crucial who comes out on top. the united states of course is now in an unprecedented situation. we have a positional candidate in donald trump, the president himself by me without evidence that widespread fraud is occurring and demanding that the counting of legitimate votes stops. extra nurse situation and it was a situation that became clear when donald trump spoke around two o'clock on tuesday night. this is a fraud on the american public. this is an embarrassment to our country. we we re is an embarrassment to our country. we were getting ready to win this
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election, frankly, we did win this election. cheering. so our goal now is to ensure the integrity for the good of this nation. this is a very big moment. this is a major fraud on out big moment. this is a major fraud on our nation. we want the law to be used ina our nation. we want the law to be used in a proper manner so we will be going to the us supreme court. we wa nt be going to the us supreme court. we want all voting to stop. we don't wa nt want all voting to stop. we don't want them to find any ballots at four o'clock in the morning and add them to the list, 0k? four o'clock in the morning and add them to the list, ok? if the president saying he wants all voting to stop, and he appears to be conflating two separate things. the casting of ballots after election day and the county of ballots after election day. to be clear, voting has closed. what mr trump is saying is that states don't count millions of ballots that were already at the gym by the end of voting on tuesday.
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his argument is that election is over but this election is not a day, it's a perfectly normal state of affairs for states to continue to count ballots for several days. even weeks after election day and it bears repeating that there is absolutely no evidence of widespread fraud, not this time or in previous american elections either. everything is normal about the process as it is currently playing out. of course an american president attacking american democracy is not normal. every major network carry his remarks live but nbc and msnbc cut away from his speech before he was finished. brian williams said on msnbc... and have a look at the banter that cbs put over his address as he was speaking about pennsylvania... it's good to be almost impossible to catch and we are coming into good pennsylvania areas will we happen to
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like her president. cbs making clear the solution did not have a winter yet. he was chris wallace on fox news responding to what the president is saying. this is an extremely flammable situation the presidentjust threw a extremely flammable situation the president just threw a match extremely flammable situation the presidentjust threw a match into it. he has not won the states, nobody is saying he has won the states. the states have not said he has one. overnight he tweeted. .. twitter flag as containing disputed or misleading information which is correct. since then there was another to tweets especially misleading and hidden from view. facebook added a fact check to identical post for the truck campaign to make it clear that votes we re campaign to make it clear that votes were still being counted. it this cou nty were still being counted. it this county continues into wednesday donald trump continue to tweet similar claims. here's howjoe biden
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responded to all of that. as i have set all along, it's not my place or donald trump also place to declare who has won this election. that the decision of the american people. but i'm optimistic about this outcome. it's a well signal that dump trump might make the sort of move if the result was close. the story from the weekend got a lot of attention. for the donald trump and toward associates he would declare victory if you look like he was ahead. we have seen what has come to pass and now we have the truck presidency which has been marked by many republicans refusing to condemn the rage they make the range of issues reaching this point. some republicans are spoken out chris christie, rick santorum being two of them. is a tweet from the conservative commentator ben shapiro was a huge following on youtube saying...
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some states have gone out of their way to reassure voters that this count will be legitimate. he is a statement from election official from wisconsin which have been talking about... in pennsylvania, where ballots are still being counted, here's what the governor has said. i will do everything within my power to ensure that the results are fair, and that every vote is counted. pennsylvania will have a fair election and that election will be free of outside influences. i will vigorously, and we all will vigorously, and we all will
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vigorously defend against any attempt to attack that vote in pennsylvania. tammy patrick is a senior advisor for the elections programme at the democracy fund, she joins me now. name: thank you very much, following the story and taking about ronald reagan's words of america being a shining city on the hill, a beacon of light around the world. would you really categorise american democracy in those terms at the moment?” think that yes american democracy, i think that yes american democracy, i think you may be the understanding of our democracy by prominent figures not so much. i really appreciate your coverage in the last three minutes or couple of minutes, you been able to summarise what i think unfortunately many people in this country don't understand. about the way in which our elections work. why do you think americans don't have the understanding? they could support it for your viewers audience understand there's such a patchwork of laws and policies across about 10,000 different election
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jurisdictions. the state that you mentioned, wisconsin and michigan, and pennsylvania. those jurisdictions alone or states alone have 3000 jurisdictions in them. consider such a patchwork of the way in which elections are conducted that it can be confusing for people. particularly in this moment, here we are ina particularly in this moment, here we are in a global pandemic and across the united states in the last year we saw more than 300 pieces of litigation challenging the ways in which election officials the state and local level were able to service their voters in this moment. it's really been fortunate in some states both they were able to service their voters well and at others they were prevented from doing so. her from the trunk campaign, i attribute his supporters a few mexico saying they believe there is evidence of this election is not being handled properly. from your position speak at all the people you know, do you have any concerns that there is electoral fraud playing have any concerns that there is electoralfraud playing out? not in any way shape or form, as
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electoralfraud playing out? not in any way shape orform, as it unequivocably. it's important to know that many of these jurisdictions, philadelphia if you wa nt to jurisdictions, philadelphia if you want to watch them count ballots you can go to the live stream right now and watch them 24 hours a day. in the processing of the ballots. in detroit you can also do that. arizona. it is a very transparent process and we are not seeing fraud. piercing a narrative laid down early this summer to try and undermine our belief and confidence in our election process. we appreciate you joining us, thank you very much indeed. cani joining us, thank you very much indeed. can i emphasise this enough that a number of independent bodies are looked at the us electoral process but in the context of this present election but also in the context of how it operates more generally whether it's midterms or presidential elections no one has established widespread electoral fraud at that would have impact on the outcome of these elections. thank you very much for watching so far, don't go anywhere. this story continues to evolve. eitherjoe
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biden or donald trump —— neitherjoe biden or donald trump —— neitherjoe biden or donald trump —— neitherjoe biden or donald trump could be certain who will be president for the next four years. hello there. high pressure brought us a quiet day of weather on wednesday. the best of this sunshine across england and wales where much of the day's skies looked like these. however, there were a few showers around across the north of wales. across northwest england and the west midlands as well. in scotland and northern ireland clouds have been thickening towards the end of the afternoon. and that cloud is associated with this cloud you can see here on the satellite picture. so warm fronts brings the rain across northern scotland and once that rain has pushed through we will start to get milder air coming around this area of high pressure. so temperatures will actually be rising through the night. whereas across the heart of england and wales the fronts are kept at bay and here it's going to be a cold night with long clear spells, frost, temperatures getting down to about —3, —4 degrees in the coldest areas in the countryside and
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there will be some dense patches of fog. whereas that rain band in scotland, well, it trickles into the far north of england whilst weakening over the hills i suspect will be a bit of drizzle. once that front is through it's a night where temperature will be rising through the night and by the end of the night will be back to 11 degrees in glasgow. so a mild start to the day for much of scotland, northern ireland and the far north of england. cold in the south, sunshine once the fog patches have lifted and the frost has melted away. as far as the temperatures go, well, as we go through thursday afternoon, broadly speaking similar to what we had on wednesday — highs of around 10 to 13 degrees, but it could turn quite mild for a time aberdeenshire. if we see a bit of sunshine, those higher temperatures boosted by the fern effect. that's the winds coming over the mountains. 0n into friday's forecast, another quiet day, high pressure stilljust about clinging on. again, a cold start across southern areas with a few mist and fog patches. rather cloudy again across northwestern parts of the country. and later through friday afternoon we will start to see the winds pick up across the south. and that can make it feeljust a little bit cooler and fresherfor a time.
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although on the face of it, those temperatures similar values. highs 10 to 13 degrees. now for this weekend we are going to start to see the winds turn to a more southerly direction. and those southerly winds will be pushing in some slightly milder air. but it's going to take a while for that milder air to mix into the weather in scotland, so here it stays quite cool. those temperatures are going to rise, but england and wales turning milder, 16 degrees or so in london. but there will be some cloud and rain around at times through the weekend as well.
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hello, i'm ros atkins, this is 0utside source. we continue to follow this extraordinary us election. we have no result yet and the donald trump campaign is suggesting it is going to contest a number of counts. it has filed a lawsuit to stop counting in michigan, saying it is a crucial battle ground state and is still to collect a result. joe biden's team has called efforts to stop counting legitimate postal votes "outrageous." we are going to have to be patient until... we come of the hard work of tallying votes is finished. and it ain't over until every vote is counted. every ballot is counted. and projections sayjoe biden has won wisconsin, winning
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we'll get all the latest on what that means. in other news... the last minute dash to beat the lockdown — mps back four weeks of tougher restrictions the story of this election began in the south—east of america, in florida. we got one county in miami recording results, quite extraordinary, really disappointed forjoe biden, very encouraging for donald trump, who appeared to have connected with cu ban—america ns donald trump, who appeared to have connected with cuban—americans very effectively and sure enough a couple of hours later florida was projected for donald trump, a big boost. he also saw 0hio projected for him and in texas a little later in the evening there had been some speculation that perhaps the democrats could flip texas. it
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didn't happen. all of those went into donald trump's count, towards his electoral college totals. we we re his electoral college totals. we were then focusing on georgia, which looked like it was going towards donald trump, but then it wasn't projected and still isn't projected. we were looking at arizona, which was projected by fox news initially forjoe biden, a very encouraging results for him and really was the first good bit of news forjoe biden in what had been a worrying few hours and before we knew it we were increasingly focused on those three midwestern states we spend so much time talking about. michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania, which have become absolutely crucial for both men. they remain absolutely crucial for both both men. they remain absolutely crucialfor both men both men. they remain absolutely crucial for both men and we can't emphasise this enough, because of how they approach mail—in voting whilst florida started counting those mail—in boats well ahead of time it was able to get as much more information sooner, pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin, pennsylvania in particular taking longer. they are taking longer and that is why we don't have clear—cut results from the three. what could make an
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outcome even messier is now the possibility of three counts of some of these states, not least because rules actually differ on recounts from state to state, so wisconsin doesn't have an automatic recount. however, a candidate can request one if trailing by less than 1% of the vote and that is a possibility. the margin between trump and biden in wisconsin has looked very tight as the votes come in. the rules are different in michigan. there are automatic recounts if the votes are fewer than 2000 apart. that is really tight. recaps can be requested on allegations of fraud and we know that the tram campaigning fraud has occurred, although they have offered no proof. 0pposing candidates can file an objection to those allegations. then in pennsylvania, arguably the most significant of the lot, an automatic recount of the margin is less than 0.5% of all votes and anyone can request recounts on grounds of electoral errors. however, we should emphasise there are tight deadlines when those requests can be filed. 0f course, this can't go on for ever. i would donald trump needs to start a
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second term orjoe biden needs to ta ke second term orjoe biden needs to take over in january, second term orjoe biden needs to take over injanuary, so there are some weeks, but there aren't months sort this out. let's continue to focus on pennsylvania for a moment. it is one of the states that we are concentrating on. it is one of the states it hasn't been projected. we knew counting would go on, notjust through election day, but beyond it and we are told it and we are told a result could actually take until the end of the week. election officials say they are working as quickly and they give us the subject of the week. election officials say they are working as quickly as they can and they give us this update from philadelphia. when half of the votes in the city are cast by mail and half of the votes are at the polling place, counting votes cast by mail, if you're going to do it right and you're going to do it accurately — because there is no other choice — takes a little bit of time. so i know that is very frustrating, it is frustrating for you and it is frustrating for us, but if you are going to get it right and you're going to prevent problems which jeopardise voters' votes, it is more important that we do it right then we meet artificial deadlines. so the state will take its time, but
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of course while they take their time and no one is disputing that they should, well, donald trump is, but a lot of other people in the electoral process aren't. 0f lot of other people in the electoral process aren't. of course everyone waits. president trump is challenging some of the votes in pennsylvania for the courts. this is a reporterfor the new yorker magazine and she has been following both the campaigns in florida and here she is talking about what messages resonated with voters. this is back one. “— resonated with voters. this is back one. —— this is eliza griswold. what we're seeing so far is this red mirage, we are seeing that the early returns which are largely in person voted trump. so right now we have 1.4 million more mail—in ballots to count. that was as of this morning around ten. those are largely going to be biden, and right now trump is 700,000 votes ahead in pennsylvania. that is looking good for biden and by the end of the day and onward. and as you just had, we know that pennsylvania
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officials are saying, look, it's going to take us until friday. don't expect a count before friday. i've seen your most recent article, headline it's going to be a wild ride. in your article you talk about, you're certainly right on that, whichever way it goes and you talked about potentially the vote count becoming chaotic because of all the legal challenges. tell our viewers what you think that is. i will explain what i saw yesterday morning which was in itself chaotic. and this is what the republicans are now challenging. this looks like, going forward, certainly one of, if not the most major legal challenge we are going to have it. we are going to have. which could go all the way to the supreme court. at 10pm the night before election day pennsylvania decided that workers, election workers could contact voters if they made a mistake on their ballots. in pennsylvania one of the things that is
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most at issue is the thing called naked ballots could be because the naked ballots because the republicans have tried to mandate, and have successfully mandated that every ballot inside has a second envelope, which is a secrecy envelope. and if your ballot is missing that — we've never used them before — and if we are missing that, if you don't put that second secrecy envelope in your outer envelope it means the vote will be discounted. but at the last minute pennsylvania ordered that if election workers could scrutinise the envelope and tell that it did not have that second ballot and had the right through the parties through the democrats and republicans to contact voters and get another shot at it. they could come in and give a new ballot. the republicans have gone crazy about this because county by county people did different things. that's what happened in bush versus gore 2000. the attorneys flooded and after the count they look for inconsistencies between counties.
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in electoral practice and that's what we are seeing the republicans start to go for here. we have some really significant news on this story because wisconsin is now being projected forjoe biden. that doesn't mean he is necessarily going to become president, but it takes a much closer to those 270 electoral couege much closer to those 270 electoral college votes that he needs. let's bring in anthony circo, live with us from washington, dc. would you call this a decisive moment? it is a very important moment, it is a key piece of the puzzle forjoe biden on his pathway to at least 270 electoral votes that would deliver the presidency to him. there are still other states he has to win, states that he is like he was in wisconsin, leading at the moment, but putting wisconsin on the board right now allows him to focus on just a handful of allows him to focus on just a ha ndful of states, allows him to focus on just a handful of states, three other states, perhaps. michigan, arizona and nevada. if he wins in all three of those now, then yes, that is the white house for him, so it is a major development in the story. but you mention michigan, a state you
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are saying he still needs to take and we have the tram campaign trying to stop devoting there? yes, stop counting the ballots, they say they are not allowed practice proper access to when these mail—in ballots are being opened up. i can'tjudge the probability that the trump campaign will be successful in its challenge, but the bottom line is that even if the stop the counting of these ballots, joe biden is currently ahead in michigan and he is trending towards this growing late because as in wisconsin, if you mother last night we saw both wisconsin and michigan with donald trump having sizeable leads in, as with wisconsin, in these big cities and the states as they are being counted and the mail—in valets are being counted, which are trending heavily democratic, joe biden has chipped away at these leads to pass donald trump in wisconsin at about 4:30am local time here in dc this morning. he passed donald trump in michigan at about 7am this morning here in dc and that is all on the
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back of these mail—in ballots being counted. it is too late to stop the counting and deliver michigan to donald trump. let me ask about republicans, anthony zurcher, we are hearing from the president on his campaign but he's going to contest the ballots in another state that he believes they are being stolen, but the people on the biden campaign your pups aren't going on social media, what are they saying to you off air not on the record? are they supportive of the president digging and let this? i think there was a lot of concern about the way donald trump handled that impromptu speech he gave at the white house in the middle of the night last night. the framing of it, but stopping boats from coming in, about claiming victory, all of that was not the way that they would have preferred this to be handled because here was the president of the united states in the white house casting doubts, undermining the democratic votes counting process on votes that had
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already been cast and were in question by the states, and he was saying there were somehow been fraud. i think no one wanted to see that happen. the vice president, mike pence, came on right after donald trump in that mid morning or late night announcement. and he said nothing about questioning the legality of the process, he said the voting had to count and he said they thought that they would win, but all legal ballot should be counted, so once again mike pence is more the voice of the establishment republicans, smoothing over some of the impromptu stuff that donald trump said and trying to set in the way that i think they would have preferred donald trump said it. just to reiterate, wisconsin projected for biden, the three states he is now focused on our... michigan, nevada, and arizona. pennsylvania and georgia are also in doubt. if joe biden wins one of them, then he cannot have to worry about arizona or nevada. ok, thank you very much indeed. this incredibly complex system by which americans choose
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their president really boils down to that. with wisconsin projected for biden, if he takes michigan, another midwest state, and in the south—west if he takes arizona and nevada it is a done deal, but it remains in it. though states are not confirmed for joe biden, but as we heard from anthony zurcher there, so far the knobs look encouraging for him, but this will twist and turn a little while over the next few hours, so don't take that for granted, butjoe biden taking a significant step towards 270, with wisconsin projected for him. but there have been plenty of bits of good news for the trump campaign, not least in florida, where the exit polls are showing him winning the most cuban—american results. he showed significant gains in miami county and this is the first big story of the night, where cuban—americans make up the largest share of latino voters. the democratic congresswoman who has been re—elected, says,...
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but this reporter from the new york times argues... lets talk further about this. joing us now is maria teresa kumar, who runs the non—profit group voto latino, which works to encourgage political engagement among young hispanic and latino voters. do agree with that comment that is perhaps not very tall helpful to talk about voters as one block?” think we can all agree that absolutely their no vote is not a monolith, but really the difference you see in latino voters in florida is that unlike arizona, even texas, north carolina and georgia votes that are in play, is that you have
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not had an tie immigrant legislation in florida. in other places, in nevada, georgia, arizona and texas you all have, and so the real story of the night is that young latinos lead the party in their voting block among latinos in nevada, georgia and arizona. if you can imagine, in north carolina, and i recognise it is no longer in play, but 49% of latino voters in this election where young first—time voters, so when cortez says we have to make the necessary investment she is talking specifically about a new generation of latinos who are showing up. arizona and urba na of latinos who are showing up. arizona and urbana would not be in play, would it not be for young latinos. and your organisation is focused on driving political engagement, which regardless of which way voters turn, whether towards biden or trump, but are you satisfied that campaign is making
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progress? do you see an uptick in engagement? among latino youth voters, in texas alone they saw her a 600% increase in the 2016 election. that is not small. if either party wants to play in the latino community, it is looking at this new generation of voters that are constantly not only growing, but they represent the majority part of they represent the majority part of the electorate, not just they represent the majority part of the electorate, notjust in their community, but in the country. for the very first time, you had 12 million more young voters. 4 million of them were young people of latino descent. the only wayjoe biden is going to win is through arizona and nevada. pennsylvania is going to be a toss—up and georgia would be gravy. he needs to make sure those people are in his camp and that so far that is who they are pulling for. maria teresa kumar, thank you very much forjoining to us just to pick up on what she was saying if you didn't see anthony a while ago he was saying that wisconsin has been projected forjoe biden, a huge moment in this us presidential election and what that means in
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simple terms if if biden takes michigan in the midwest and out in the south—west if it takes arizona and nevada then joe the south—west if it takes arizona and nevada thenjoe biden is home and nevada thenjoe biden is home and dry. those remain if so, he is not there yet. stay with me here and 0utside source because in a few minutes we are going to talk about the opinion polls. they were wrong again. we will talk to a pulse about my donald trump, regardless of whether he wins or not, outperformed expectations and some key states. here in the uk, the government has issued new guidance to help relatives visit their relatives in ca re relatives visit their relatives in care homes. despite the lockdown they will be able to do this, but they will be able to do this, but they will be able to do this, but they will have to adhere to certain rules. at this care home in nottinghamshire, they are in an area with high covid—19 infections. that means visits have stopped unless they are end—of—life. today's government guidance as during
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lockdown homes must do all they can to find ways to help residency families ina to find ways to help residency families in a safe way. emily is just helping barbara to ring her great—granddaughter. .. just helping barbara to ring her great-granddaughter. .. 19-year-old barber prize has had to rely on technology to speak to her family, but it is no substitute. it has been really ha rd but it is no substitute. it has been really hard not being able to go and see my nan like we used to. we used to go toa see my nan like we used to. we used to go to a playgroup that was based at my great grandma's nursing home in the day room and she would come and watch. while you are doing your thing, wouldn't she? yer! here to keep families together, they are building an outdoor room for visits. the guidance has well ventilated rooms with screens are one of the options that should be considered. costly solutions which won't work everywhere. and care homes feel under pressure. the priority is a lwa ys under pressure. the priority is always going to be keeping the residents as safe as possible as they can be in the care home. however, it is difficult because the residents also have a need and
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arguably a right to see their family. the families want to see their loved ones. this home is trialling rapid testing, which, if it works, could make a huge difference, but many campaigners are angry that a government pilot scheme to give relatives a key worker status and access to testing one start until later this month. many relatives believe testing is the only way they can be meaningful visits. stephen was hardly able to see his wife, dorothy, before she died. he has her long—term health conditions don't explain her death. hello, i'm ros atkins with 0utside source, we are here in the bbc newsroom and no prizes for guessing what i lead stories. the us presidential election remains very close, cbs news and many other media outlets in the us in the last few minutes have projected joe biden to ta ke minutes have projected joe biden to take wisconsin, a significant step for him towards the 270 electoral couege for him towards the 270 electoral
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college votes he needs. we will turn back to the us election in just a couple of moments, but it is also an important day in the uk because mps in the house of commons had voted in favour of a four week lockdown in england to combat coronavirus and it begins at midnight, sojust in a few hours' time. the latest government figures show us they were over 25,000 new covert infections in the latest 24—hour period. that means the average number of new cases reported per day in the last week is now 22,398. we also know close to 1500 people had been admitted to hospital on average each day over the last week to saturday and close to 500 deaths were reported. that is people who have died within 28 days of a positive covid—19 test. head of the nhs in england is saying hospitals are now on the highest alert level, back to where they were during the first peak of the pandemic in the spring. let's hear more what has happened in the parliament today and here is the bbc‘s iain watson.
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what was interesting as it was a massive victory for the government, of course, because the labour opposition largely supported the government's measures. they felt the measures were introduced too late, but also they did feel they were necessary, so the drama really came from borisjohnson's own side of the house of commons and interestingly i think it was not so much the quantity of those who rebelled against him, but the quality, if you like, because two former conservative leaders, two former leaders of his party spoke out very critically, theresa may, the former prime minister critical of the data that the government was using to make these decisions to lockdown england for the next month. she didn't vote against, she abstained, but she didn't work vote with them. ian duncan smith, another former conservative leader and also a former cabinet minister as well, was very critical indeed of the potential effect
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that the lockdown would have on the economy, he called for a full economic impact statement and he voted against his own government, so there were also some very back to the us election, the polls now. polling averages had joe biden winning a large percentage of the vote, winning by eight percentage points, but here's how it is shaping up points, but here's how it is shaping up at the moment. mr biden is still ahead, but his lead is much smaller than predicted, though we should say not all the votes are counted. in florida, most polls in late october had joe biden leading the state, but donald trump took it by more than 396. donald trump took it by more than 3%. let's talk to a republican pollster now who is live with us. we have asked this question before, but i will ask it again. where did it go wrong? it was a pretty incredible night last night, wasn't it? it was.
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you know what is really interesting? in 2018, we polled across the country and we know that. ulster is both on the democratic and republican side. what we have a problem with is polling in as polarised and political environment as polling donald trump. it is a reflection of the polarisation we have in this country. we cannot exaggerate it. 80% of republicans think democrats are socialists. 80% of democrats think republicans are racist. the president decries what he calls fake polls and we have noticed that some republicans, conservatives, decide they don't trust polls and they opt out of the surveys. and there are others who are... we have basically confirmed they are a shy chump voters. so was last night we did a 1600 sample survey of voters who actually voted in the election across the board. and among chump voters, we asked if
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during this campaign —— back among trump voters. if they were voting for donald trump, 19% of these later said, no, they would not. we have got 19% of donald trump voters unwilling to even tell their best friends they are voting for donald trump. there is a shy donald trump loader. it was not picked up in the polls that is at least one —— one reason why it wasn't close last night. let me ask you more broadly, pollsters and the kind of factors... pulses have to factor these things in all the time, so was that not factored in? was that not pollsters try to do? you don'tjust try to count up the numbers, do you? know, you don't, you certainly stratify your samples, so you have an appropriate number of low educated and higher educated numbers, by age, gender, partisanship, ethnicity,
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region of a state or district or county, but you can't account for that stuff that you don't know, for the nonresponse rate. i mean also keep in mind late in this campaign, donald trump won 30% of the vote on election day. i'm sorry, he won election day. i'm sorry, he won election day. i'm sorry, he won election day by 26 points. 36% of voters on election day, and late deciders voted for donald trump, which is a very unusual thing for an incumbent. neil, thank you very much indeed, it has been an unusual 24 hours, no doubt about that, but once again the pollsters are in an interesting situation. so if you just joining interesting situation. so if you justjoining us, let me remind you of where we have reached with this us presidential election. we still don't know whether donald trump will be staying in the white house for another four years or whetherjoe biden will be taking over. what we do know is that in the last hour, wisconsin, a crucial midwestern state, has been rejected forjoe biden. that was crucial to
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him as he tries to accumulate the 270 electoral votes that he needs, and what that means in turn, while we have talked a lot about pennsylvania, a lot about georgia, which remains in play, in fact the reality is that ifjoe biden can ta ke reality is that ifjoe biden can take michigan, the next allstate in wisconsin in the west, if you can ta ke wisconsin in the west, if you can take arizona, which he is projected to do, if he can take nevada, those three along with wisconsin will do it, regardless of what happens in pennsylvania or georgia. but we should emphasise that donald trump and we have been reporting this in the last couple of hours is now saying he's going to try to stop the counting of votes in shogun. he is saying the democrats are trying to steal the election, well, there is no evidence that is happening, but we know he has a big legal team and we know he has a big legal team and we know he is not about to give up the fight, which means the coming hours and days are absolutely crucial for the future of notjust the american presidency, but for american rock democracy as well. thank you very much for watching, we will be back with you the same time
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tomorrow and the coverage continues on for bbc news. hello there. high pressure brought us a quiet day of weather on wednesday. the best of this sunshine across england and wales where much of the day skies looked like these. however, there were a few showers around across the north of wales. across northwest england and the west midlands as well. in scotland and northern ireland clouds have been thickening towards the end of the afternoon. and that cloud is associated with this cloud you can see here on the satellite picture. so warm fronts brings the rain across northern scotland and once that rain has pushed through we will start to get milder air coming in around this area of high pressure. so temperatures will actually be rising through the night. whereas across the heart of england and wales the fronts are kept at bay and here it's going to be a cold night with long clear spells, frost,
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temperatures getting down to about —3, —4 degrees in the coldest areas in the countryside and there will be some dense patches of fog. whereas that rain band in scotland, well it trickles into the far north of england whilst weakening work over the hills i suspect will be a bit of drizzle. once that front is through it's a night where temperature will be rising through the night and by the end of the night will be back to 11 degrees in glasgow. so a mild start to the day for much of scotland, northern ireland and the far north of england. cold in the south, sunshine once the fog patches have lifted and the frost has melted away. as far as the temperatures go, well as we go through thursday afternoon, broadly speaking similar to what we had on wednesday highs of around 10 to 13 degrees but it could turn quite mild for a time in aberdeenshire. if we see a bit of sunshine, those higher temperatures boosted by the fern effect. that's the winds coming over the mountains. 0n into friday's forecast, another quiet day, high pressure stilljust about clinging on. again, a cold start across southern areas with a few mist and fog patches. rather cloudy again across northwestern parts of the country.
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and later through friday afternoon we will start to see the winds pick up across the south. and that can make it feel just a little bit cooler and fresher for a time. although on the face of it, those temperatures similar values. highs ten to 13 degrees. now for this weekend we are going to start to see the winds turn to a more southerly direction. and those southerly winds will be pushing in some slightly milder air. but it's going to take a while for that milder air to mix into the weather in scotland, so here it stays quite cool. those temperatures slow to rise, but england and wales turning milder and a 16 degrees or so in london. but there will be some cloud and rain around at times through the weekend as well.
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this is bbc news. a massive turn out — americans haven't voted in these numbers in over a century, just one of last night's many surprises. another — the razor—thin margins. both campaigns are still waiting for results in a few key battle ground states. joe biden's campaign says the race was moving to a conclusion in his favour. "not so fast," says donald trump. he is casting doubt on the whole voting process. law suits are being written as we speak. as mr biden pulls ahead in the state of wisconsin, the trump campaign says it will immediately request a recount of the vote. of course, 270 is the magic number, but neither is there yet.

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