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the result of the us presidential election still hangs in the balance, as counting in key swing states continues and the result too close to call. we are told that the president, donald trump, is going to make a statement from the white house any moment now. we house any moment now. can show you the picture briefing we can show you the picture of the briefing room that is all the tv correspondence, cameras there. we wa nt to correspondence, cameras there. we want to bring you their live and see what the president has deciphered that we haven't heard from the president in person sense election night when he came out about 2am in the morning and said that he believed he had already won the election. he has been tweeting a lot today about votes and wanting the vote count to be stopped. the white house is also launched several lawsuits in different states to try and get the vote count either stopped or to have their monitors in there watching it. we have the bbc‘s
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north american correspondent who is watching this with me. anthony, are you getting any heads up about what we might expect the president to say this evening? well i think we are going to hearfrom donald trump. he's going to talk about how he is encouraged by the science of pennsylvania in georgia he thinks he still going to win those states. he's encouraged by arizona. he thinks he's going to take the lead. fighting leads there currently. i think he also may lash out at the polling that was conducted before the election that showed that he was losing full top that the call of arizona by some us network which he might say is an attempt at voter suppression. why would people wait in line in arizona to vote if they think the state was already slipping away? he also made out some of the republican successes on tuesday night. in down ballot races. i'll leave the democrats picked up one senate seat they were hoping for more. the republicans held on tuesday the eight seats in contested races like i were in maine and north
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carolina. it looks like they are also going to pick up seats in the house of representatives when the polls suggested that the democrats might actually have gains. even in state legislative races in places like texas and iowa and minnesota, the republicans did better than expected. he might claim credit for that. may claim some sort of victory for those down ballot successes and then say he still thinks he can win this presidential race. and he thinks the leads he has in places like georgia and pennsylvania are going to hold up. we've had a lot of tweeting from the president today. we should say the two of the tweets at the president sent out about the nature of the race and the nature of the vote counting have been flagged by twitter as being misleading. about the election. he tweeted a couple time stopped the vote that something they still want to happen. we've also had members of his family, his sons tweeting criticism of other republican members of the
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republican party. is there a sense of the white house that republicans have not rallied to the presidents offence as vociferously as he would like them to do? i think they are is clearly some anger in the white house towards members of the republican party for not being active enough in defending donald trump and in echoing his allegations of widespread voter fraud. i think you see from the republican leadership from mitch mcconnell on down that they've been taking a distance from the administration right now. if you look at presidents that the trump campaign have been holding in the states while they've been announcing these legal challenges, they have been run by people like rudy giuliani donald trumps personal lawyer. the director of national intelligence and the us ambassador to germany and las vegas was up these are not republican office holders these are donald trump loyalists that have been with
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them from a very long time that also do not have political careers to defend conceivably without donald trump if he were to lose this election. as you mentioned eric trump had a tweet accusing the republicans of being cheap and they would remember if they don't sufficiently support them. i think that's a warning shot to members of the republican party that donald trump is not good to anywhere that he does have a loyal base and that if the republican office holders at an establishment don't start defending him more, that base may turn against them. it is certainly use that against the republican party in the past. yeah, one conservative commentator tweeted out commenting that there had been not one tweet from lindsey graham of south carolina in the past 2a hours and donald young junior the presidents aren't retweeted that with the caption no one is surprised without clearly taking aim at some conservative figures who have been loyal supporters as you say of the
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president but for not coming out vocally enough. we also understand that there has been a row between the president and they trump campaign and fox news. the trump campaign and fox news. the trump campaign today criticising some of the employees of fox news saying that they are two democratic leaning. suggesting that fox news has not been in the presidents camping out. i wonder whether we might hear something about that this evening too. by the way, the president is doing this is a prince conference not as a statement. the state this may go on for a while and he will be taking questions. do you think he might talk about fox? i imagine he'll be asked about it.” wouldn't be surprised at all. the reports we've heard even on election night were as soon as fox called arizona a key swing state forjoe biden, that angered the members of the trump campaign to the point where it reportedly according to the new york times donald trump himself called rupert murdoch the head of news corp. and asked him to revoke
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that call. you're seeing fuse between donald trump and fox in the past. recently he's been accusing the fox polling of being biased against them. the independent polling fox has done on the presidential race, remember donald trumps first presidential campaign backin trumps first presidential campaign back in 2015 he had a feud with a fox anchor megyn kelly. he actually sat out a debate in iowa that was hosted by fox protesting fox news is coverage. they made amends, obviously. fox became very favourable and donald trumps view. he would show up on fox doing interviews with sean hannity in the morning show regularly. that was his primary source not only of communicating with his base but also it seems as a consumer of fox news. he would get his information from fox news was up he would see him tweeting about new stories that would appear on fox newsjust minutes after they aired. so donald
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trump may feel a bit betrayed by fox's decision on arizona on election night. he could very easily air those grievances and we will definitely be asked about them if this becomes a press conference was up this becomes a press conference was up then white house press conferences, white house events that have been billed as press conferences in the past where... he doesn't take any questions. that's true. it is interesting watching what republicans are saying today. because you've got several. i looking at a statement from senator pat to me the republican senator from pennsylvania who put out a statement today saying that all votes that comply with pennsylvania law it must be counted regardless of how long the process takes. he went on to say about once the final count is reached and certified all parties involved must accept the outcome of the election regardless of whether they won or lost. he recognises this legal dispute that has been going on wasn't where the supreme court said
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we wa nt wasn't where the supreme court said we want any votes that arrive in pennsylvania at the election centres after election day foot up there is after election day foot up there is a three day grace window. wednesday, thursday, friday ballots are still allowed to be counted. the supreme court came to an accommodation that those ballots will be separated out and pat toomey is recognising that is going on and think that's a good idea. when the president has republicans like that, basically also sending a message. they know who is listening for that this is for in an audience of one person. there is senator toomey republican from pennsylvania saying publicly, look, the vote must be counted, it must take as long as it's legally allowed to take was that once the outcome has been declared, it must be accepted. we are getting a fascinating indication of what is happening, the maneuverings in the republican party around donald trump. as republican start to believe that the numbers suggestjoe biden has a greater chance of
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becoming the next president that donald trump does. he's not there yet. no one is declaring a winner. it would be wrong forjoe biden to declare a winner, wrong for a donald trump to declare a winner, donald trump to declare a winner, donald trump has no reason to come out right now and conceit. the voters are still being counted. but it's really interesting to watch how the republican party is manoeuvring around this realisation, isn't it anthony? it absolutely is. you are right. this election is not overcome of the account is not over. joe biden has more pathways to becoming president and donald trump does right now. pennsylvania by itself would decide this election ifjoe biden wins it. ifjoe biden loses them two out of three of nevada, arizona and georgia would win it for him, as well. whereas donald trump would have to win pennsylvania and two out of three of those states was up two out of three of those states was up it's interesting you talk about to me, he is retiring for that he doesn't have to worry so much about a future in the senate and in angry donald trump base. i think there is
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a very real possibility that they we re a very real possibility that they were members of the republican party where i think it well, we have the senate, it seems. we made progress in the house of representatives narrowing the democratic league. we have control of the supreme court with all of these nominees that donald trump went on there. is it so bad if we have to deal withjoe biden? to want to burn that bridge and risk are really my political career sticking our neck out on the line for donald young? maybe we sit out and we handle things as best we can for two years ofjoe biden presidency. but midterms come around where they have to defend a lot of seats, maybe they take the house back. maybe they do well in the senate. they are looking at two, 3, four years down the road. donald trumps political agenda is dependent on what happens in the next two or three days. yeah. i have to tell you the conversation in washington is already turning to 2020 for. it is never too early to start discussing the next presidential election and who may or may not be running for
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the kelly and currently the former senior adviser to donald trump and somebody who remains, even though she's not in the white house any more, remains very close to the president has been on fox news a few minutes ago saying that the president will address the state of the race from his perspective and his campaigns perspective. she said the campaign feels very good about the campaign feels very good about the trajectory in pennsylvania. the campaign according to kelly and conway feels that georgia will hold and that they like what's happening in arizona and nevada. she also said, this is interesting, that the president will hold to account a lot of the media pollsters who were wrong yet again. they have a fair criticism there of the fact that yet again for the second presidential election in a row the polls were showing joe biden very comfortably ahead. here we are still in a accounting position. we are in
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accounting position. we are in accounting position. we are in accounting position partly because it takes time to count those mail—in ballots. and joe biden may still win this presidential election. but in each of the states the margin is tighter then those polls would have led us to believe. you can see why the president may take umbrage on what some of the polls were saying. the polls looked a lot more wrong on tuesday night going into wednesday morning than they do now. you're right, at the margins are much closer. there was a poll that came out a week before the election that showed a double—digit lead forjoe biden in wisconsin. 0bviously, joe biden in wisconsin. 0bviously, joe biden is going to win wisconsin but it's going to be single digits. certainly not the margins that we saw there. same with pennsylvania, michigan, florida it looked like a toss—up may be a slightjoe biden advantage. but donald trump is going to win florida by it looks like three percentage points for that when you talk about how close florida normally is, that is a blow up florida normally is, that is a blow up in that state. georgia we knew it
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was going to be close, georgia is close. north carolina look likejoe biden had an advantage there for some it looks like donald trump is going to win narrowly they are. there was also the national polls that showjoe biden with close to a double—digit lead maybe 8% lead, right now it is looking like maybe a fourth percent lead. still millions of more votes overall. they are still counting a lot of balance. and still counting a lot of balance. and still could have to wait for california which is a gold mine for democrats for all of those ballots to be counted to see exactly how big a popular vote when this is going to be forjoe biden. but i think there is going to be a reevaluation based on these polls and see how they once again underestimated donald trumps strength among his base. the ability to turn out his base. also maybe this part of my hispanic voters like florida. yes, and among some african—americans student who turned out bigger numbers for donald trump then they did in 2016. not in any way as big a number as he did for
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joe biden but that he did make some inroads there. i spoke to a senior republican pollster yesterday it went we were on air and he was saying that the polling industry as a whole really is under some scrutiny. he's been very critical of his own polling industry for that one thing he did say is that he's found that people tend to be more honest in polls when they are online polls. when it's anonymous, they don't have to talk to a person, they just have to punch a button and that is when poll surveyors are more honest. let's bring in ron christie, former adviser to george bush thanks former adviser to george bush thanks for joining former adviser to george bush thanks forjoining us as we wait for the president to come out and speak at the white house. what do you expect the white house. what do you expect the president to say this evening, what do you think he should be saying to the nation? this is the first time we've heard from him since you and i were on air on election night at two o'clock in the morning. then he'd already won, he believed. good evening. i anticipate
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the president of the united states knowing how donald trump operates could not stand the notion that vice president biden came out and gave a brief address earlier today. i anticipate what were going to hear from him is he's going to give a state of what he thinks the presidential contest is, where his lawyers are, what his strategy is and why he thinks he has a very narrow, slim path to those 270 electoral college votes that you need to gain election to the presidency. i expect and anticipate a very feisty president a very animated president and i can hardly wait if he decides to open up for question and answer to see what the press will ask him and how he will respond to it. when the president came out in the east room of the white house on the night of the election at two o'clock in the morning and said that frankly, we already have won. i believe we are ready have won. it was quite shocking and a lot of people and
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republicans i've spoken to went too far. you i remember were on air afterwards said that was not appropriate. when the vote count is still going on, no candidate can claim they have won on either side two days after that. it's just not possible, is not true to say that he had already won on election night. do you think the president might have heard some of that pushback in road that back a little bit, doubt that back a little bit this evening? i do. wrong, i'm going to interrupt you. here is donald trump coming to the podium. let's take a listen to the podium. let's take a listen to the president. thank you very much, thank you. good evening, i'd like to provide the american people with an update on our efforts to protect the integrity of our very important 2020
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election. if you count the legal votes, i easily win. if you count the illegal votes, they can try to steal the election from. if you count the votes you came in late we re count the votes you came in late were looking at them very strongly for top a lot of votes came in late. i've already decisively won many critical states including massive victories in florida. iowa, indiana, 0hio victories in florida. iowa, indiana, ohio to name just a few. we won these and many other victories despite historic election interference from big media, big money and big tax. as everybody saw. we won by historic numbers. and the pollsters got it knowingly wrong, they got it knowingly wrong. polls are so ridiculous and everybody knew it at the time. there was no blue wave that they predicted. they thought there was going to be a big blue wave that was false. that was done for us to prescient reasons. instead there was a big red wave.
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and it's been properly acknowledged actually by the media i think they we re very actually by the media i think they were very impressed. that doesn't do us were very impressed. that doesn't do us any good we kept this tenet despite having twice as many seats to defend as democrats. and in a really much more competitive state, we did a fantasticjob with the senate. i think we are very proud of what happened there and many more seats to defend. they spent almost 200 million dollars and kentucky alone to races. hundreds of millions of dollars overall. against us. at the national lever eight level are major donors were police officers, farmers, everyday citizens. yet for the first time ever, we lost zero races in the house. i was talking to kevin mccarthy today said he couldn't believe it. zero races,
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very unusual, zero. actually won many new seeds with i think many more on the way. this was also the year of the republican woman. more republican women were elected to congress than ever before. that's a great achievement. i want the largest share of non—white votes in 60 years including historic numbers of latino, african—american, asian american and native american voters. the largest ever in our history. we grew our party by fort million voters, the greatest turnout and republican party history. democrats are the party of the big donors, the big media, the big check. it seems. and republicans have become the party of the american worker and that's what's happened. we are also i believe the party of inclusion. as
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eve ryo ne i believe the party of inclusion. as everyone now recognising millionaire polling was election interference in the true sense of that word. my powerful special interests, these really phoney polls, i have to call them phoney polls, fake polls were designed to keep our voters at home, create the illusion of momentum. for mr biden. and diminish republicans ability to raise funds. they were what's called suppression polls, eve ryo ne what's called suppression polls, everyone knows that now. and it's never been used it to the extent that it's been used in this last election. to highlight just that it's been used in this last election. to highlightjust a few examples, the day before election quinnipiac which was wrong on every occasion that i know of. had joe biden up by five points in florida. and they were off by eighte biden up by five points in florida. and they were off by eight a point for points and i won florida easily. easily. —— a point for. they had me losing florida by a lot and i ended
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up losing florida by a lot and i ended up winning florida by a lot. other than that they were very accurate. they had him up for points in ohio and they were up by 12.2 points and they also won 0hio, great state of 0hio. they also won 0hio, great state of ohio. the washington post said biden up ohio. the washington post said biden up17 ohio. the washington post said biden up 17 points ohio. the washington post said biden up17 points in ohio. the washington post said biden up 17 points in wisconsin was basically even. they were off by about 17 points. and they knew that. they are not stupid people. they knew that. suppression. there are now only a few states yet to be decided in the presidential race. the voting apparatus of those states are run in all cases by democrats. we were winning in all the key locations by a lot, actually and then our numbers started miraculously getting whittled away in secret. and they wouldn't allow legally permissible observers. we went to court and a couple of
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insta nces went to court and a couple of instances and we are able to get the observers put in and when the observers put in and when the observers got there they wanted him 60, 70 feet away, 100 feet away or outside the building to observe people inside the building. and we won a case, big case. we have others happening. lots of litigation, even beyond our litigation. there is tremendous amount of litigation generally because of how unfair this process was to stop i predicted that, i've been talking about mail in voting for a long time. it's really destroyed our system. it's a corrupt system. and it makes people corrupt system. and it makes people corrupt even if they aren't by nature but they become corrupt. it's too easy. they want to find out how many too easy. they want to find out how ma ny votes too easy. they want to find out how many votes they need and then they seem to be able to find them. they wait and wait and then they find them. and you see that on election night we were ahead in north carolina by a lot, tremendous number of votes. and we are still ahead by
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a lot but not as many. because they are finding ballots all of a sudden. now we have sent mail in balance, it's amazing how those mail—in ballots are so one—sided too. i know it supposed to be to the advantage of the democrats. but in all cases they are so 1—sided. we were up by nearly 700,000 votes in pennsylvania. i won pennsylvania by a lot and that gets whittled down to i think they said now we are up by 90,000 votes. and they will keep coming and coming and coming, they find them all over. and they don't wa nt find them all over. and they don't want us to have any observers. although we won a court case the judge said you have to have observers. likewise, and they are appealing. they are appealing. we won a case that we want people to watch. and we want observers and they are actually appealing which is sort of interesting full—time i wonder why they would appeal? all we wa nt to wonder why they would appeal? all we want to do is have people watch as they do the vote tabulations. likewise in georgia, i won by a lot
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where they a lead of over getting close to 300,000 votes on election night. in georgia and by the way, got whittled down and now it's getting to be to a point where i will go from winning to a lot to perhaps being down a little bit. will go from winning to a lot to perhaps being down a little bitm georgia a pipe burst in a far—away location totally unload related to the location of what was happening and they stopped counting for four hours. any lot of things happen. the election apparatus is run by georgia we also had margins of 300,000 in michigan, we were way up in michigan, we were way up in michigan, won the state. and wisconsin we did likewise. fa ntastically well. wisconsin we did likewise. fantastically well. that got whittled down. in every case they got whittled down. today we are on track to win arizona, we only need to carry i guess, 55% of the
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remaining vote, 55% margins. and that state margin that we've significantly exceeded so we will see what happens with that. but we are on track to do 0k in arizona. 0ur are on track to do 0k in arizona. our goal is to defend the integrity of the election. we will not allow the corruption to steal such an important election or any election for that matter. we can't allow silence, anybody to silence our voters. and manufacturer results. i've been doing a lot of public things for a long time, i've never had anything that's been as inspirational by people calling, talking, sending things to us was up i've never seen such love and such affection and such spirit as i've seen for theirs. people know what's happening and they see was happening and it's before their eyes. and there are many instances two insta nces there are many instances two instances which will be reported
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shortly. there is tremendous litigation going on. this is a case where they are trying to steal an election. they're trying to rig an election. they're trying to rig an election. and we can't let that happen. detroit and philadelphia known as two of the most corrupt political places anywhere in our country, easily cannot be responsible for engineering the outcome of a presidential race. a very important presidential race. in pennsylvania democrats have gone to the state supreme court to try and ban our election observers and very strongly. now we won the case but they are going forward, they don't wa nt they are going forward, they don't want anybody in there. they don't wa nt want anybody in there. they don't want anybody in there. they don't want anybody watching them as they count the ballots. and i can't imagine why. there is absolutely no legitimate reason why they would not wa nt to legitimate reason why they would not want to have people watching this process. because if it's straight they would, should be proud instead they would, should be proud instead they are trying obviously, to commit
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fraud. there is no question about that. in philadelphia observers have been faraway, very far away. so far that people are using binoculars to try and see. there has been tremendous problems cause. they try import paper all the windows so you can say end. and the people that are banned are very unhappy and become somewhat violent. the 11th circuit ruled that in georgia the votes have beenin ruled that in georgia the votes have been in by election day that they should be in by election day and they weren't. votes are coming in after election day. and they had a ruling already that you have to have the votes and by election day to the best of my knowledge. votes should best of my knowledge. votes should be in by election day. they didn't do that. democrat officials never believe they could win this election honestly. i really believe that. that's why they did the mail in ballots where there is tremendous corruption and fraud going on. that's why they mailed out tens of
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millions of unsolicited ballots without any verification measures whatsoever. and i told everybody that these things would happen because i've seen it happen. i watched a lot of different elections before they decided to go with this big, massive election with tens of millions of ballots going out to everybody. in many cases totally unsolicited. this was unprecedented in american history. this was by design despite years of claiming to ca re design despite years of claiming to care about election security. they refused to include any requirement to verify signatures, identities or even determine whether they are eligible or ineligible to vote. people are walking in there, they have no idea, they'rejust taking numbers, writing down things, the workers and doing a lot of bad things. we have a lot of information coming in and litigation that you will see that will shake even you people out. the officials overseeing
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the accounting and pennsylvania and other key states are all part of a corrupt, democrat machine that you've written about for a long time. you've been writing about the corrupt democrat machine. i went to school there and i know a lot about it. it hasn't changed since a long time ago. hasn't changed it's gotten worse. in pennsylvania partisan democrats have allowed democrats in the state to be received three days after the election for the up and we think much more than that. and they are counting those without even post marks or any identification whatsoever. so you don't of postmarks, you don't have identification, there have been a number of cysts serving irregularities, our campaign has been denied access to observe any counting in detroit. detroit is another place and i wouldn't say it has the best reputation for election integrity. poll workers in michigan
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we re integrity. poll workers in michigan were duplicating ballots. but when observers attempted those poll workersjumped observers attempted those poll workers jumped they couldn't see what they were doing. and it became a little bit dangerous. 0ne what they were doing. and it became a little bit dangerous. one major hub for accounting ballots in detroit covered up the windows again. with large pieces of cardboard so they wanted to protect and block the counting area. they didn't want to count although these we re didn't want to count although these were legal observers that were supposed to be there. in detroit there were hours of unexplained delay for many of the votes for accounting. the final batch did not arrive to five in the morning. even though the polls closed at eight o'clock they brought it in and the batches came in and nobody came to an acne where they came from. we've also been denied access to observe in critical places in georgia. in multiple swing states, counting was halted for hours and hours on
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