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this is bbc news with the latest headlines am rebecca jones. borisjohnson is self—isolating after meeting an mp who's tested positive for coronavirus. the prime minister says he has no symptoms, and the health secretary insists he'll be able to work fully from home. it actually doesn't matter that i've had the disease and am bursting with antibodies. we got to interrupt the spread of the disease. it doesn't change the amount of work the prime minister will be able to do, driving forward the agenda at all. a major new vaccine trial gets underway in the uk — it uses a genetically modified common cold virus to train the immune system. the government is hoping to double the uk's daily coronavirus
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testing capacity by opening two new "megalabs". talks to agree a post—brexit trade deal resume in brussels today, with both sides calling for compromises to be made. a new pilot, giving family members access to regular testing, starts at a number of care homes in england. what impact will this have on you? are you hoping to visit loved ones in care homes this christmas? do get in touch — you can tweet me @rebeccajonesbbc or with #bbcyourquestions. three, two, ten. ignition! and coming up this hour... taxi for space? the new era for extraterrestial travel as the space x capsule heads into orbit
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hello and welcome to bbc news. the prime minister is to carry on working from downing street after being told to self isolate by the nhs test and trace system. borisjohnson says he was "pinged" — as he put it — because of a meeting he had last week with conservative mp lee anderson who's since tested positive for covid—19. mrjohnson said in a video message that he "felt great" and was "bursting with anti—bodies" after having the virus earlier this year. but the order to stay at home for another ten days has come at a crucial time for the prime minister, as he tries to move on from the sudden departure of two of his closest advisers and enters an important week on brexit negotiations
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this was the announcement from boris johnson on twitter. the good news is that nhs test and trace is working ever more efficiently stop the bad news is that they pinged me and i've got to self—isolate because somebody i was in contact with a few days ago has developed covid and it doesn't matter that we were all doing social distancing, it doesn't matter that i am fit as a butcher's dog, feel great, as so many people do in my circumstances, and actually it doesn't matter that i have had the disease and i am bursting with antibodies, we have got to interrupt the spread of the disease and one of the ways we can do that now is by self isolating for 14 days when you get contacted by nhs test and trace. let's talk to our political correspondent chris mason — he's outside number ten for us borisjohnson is boris johnson is of borisjohnson is of course self isolating there. he sounds very
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chirpy. how frustrated do you think he really is? i suspect he is mighty frustrated as i guess any of us would be when you get that notification that you have to work from home so i guess the human reaction would be one of frustration. the political context is one that will underline that frustration, i think, is one that will underline that frustration, ithink, because is one that will underline that frustration, i think, because this was meant to be the kind of big reset moment. before we heard from downing street last night that the prime minister would have to self—isolate, we have been told there was a big plan for a kind of energetic relaunch, that is my word rather than theirs, that was the clear su btext, rather than theirs, that was the clear subtext, after all of the turbulence and betrayal of the last few weeks with those departed advisers on friday. there was talk that he would be out meeting conservative mps in the north of england, who'd been grumbling about a lack of attention, the imminent need for a brexit deal in the ayes
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of many with that deadline just around the corner, a big plan on climate change, talking about meeting the chancellor to talk about the spending review. a real sense of plastering up on a billboard, a bit like you might get outside a cat barbershop, saying under new management when they've had a recent visit from environmental health. none of that, though, going to happen at least physically, instead, this is going to be a remote reset, all of that said, the health secretary for england matt hancock said that should not make too much ofa said that should not make too much of a difference, we are all getting used to working remotely. well, it doesn't change the amount of work the prime minister will be able to do driving forward the agenda at all. the wonders of video conferencing mean that you can be incredibly effective even when self isolating if you are in the sort ofjob where you can do that, where you can communicate. in fact, i would say probably the
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majority of my meetings with the prime minister are over video conference, of course, i see him as well, and you can be really effective that way. mr hancock has also been defending the prime minister after a photo was dredged out of facebook that had been put up there by lea anderson, the conservative mp in question, who met the prime minister on thursday morning and then went on over the weekend to test positive. the two of them stood further apart than would have been conventional in 2019 but perhaps a little closer together than the two metre regulation, given that they were inside and not wearing a face covering. downing street insisted through that door is a covid secure working environment, even though for at least the second time now, we know that the coronavirus has managed to make its way through that door and in so
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doing, disrupt the prime minister ‘s plans. crisp, good to talk to you. danny altmann is professor of immunology at imperial college london. picking up on what chris said we know boris johnson picking up on what chris said we know borisjohnson has to self—isolate because he's come into contact with someone who has tested positive, those are the rules, aren't they? are they good rules? they are very good rules and i was pleased to hear him taking it seriously, as in test, trace, isolate means what it says, it is therefore a reason, even if you have had the infection or think you have had the infection or think you have had the infection or think you have had the infection or have antibodies on board, we cannot be blase about this. if he was social distancing property, would it be possible to pick up the virus? it's terribly ha rd pick up the virus? it's terribly hard for me to say, isn't it? you know, this is a movable feast, we
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are trying to assess the risks all the time, i take quite a conservative view this is a very infectious virus, very dangerous virus, if i'm in an enclosed space, i want to be in a really well ventilated space, wearing a mask, probably at more than two metres. borisjohnson, we probably at more than two metres. boris johnson, we know, probably at more than two metres. borisjohnson, we know, had covid in april. how likely do we know is he still to have antibodies, i suppose i'm asking you what we know about how people can be reinfected?” think it's a really good question. 0bviously, think it's a really good question. obviously, there has been lots and lots of work in measuring antibody levels and trying to work out what this means and who is protected and how long for and the simple answer is people are very variable, antibodies to wayne and there is a significant minority of people, perhaps 10% plus, who are three or four months, have virtually no protection on board and around the world we see some cases of reinfection. can you pass on
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covid—19 even if you don't have symptoms? absolutely. i think that's one of the reasons this has been so devastating compared to for example source 01’ devastating compared to for example source or mers. you cannot spot it, it is spreading before you know you have it. we know other people were in the meeting room, someone must have taken the picture, mustn't they, of the prime minister and the conservative mp he was meeting. will they need to self—isolate as well?|j don't they need to self—isolate as well?” don't know any of the details and it is certainly not for me to be an making pronouncement but one would assume so, yes. making pronouncement but one would assume so, yes. my question is if you have all been in a room together then you are all going to get paint, is borisjohnson would say. then you are all going to get paint, is boris johnson would say. one would have thought so, yes. ok. really good to have your thoughts, thank you. it's a pleasure.
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human trials of another coronavirus vaccine begin aross the uk this week. pharmaceutical company janssen is looking to recruit 6,000 volunteers. it comes a week after a vaccine produced by pfizer was said to prevent 90% of people getting covid—19. our medical editor fergus walsh reports. we already have one potentially successful coronavirus vaccine, a jab developed by pfizer and biontech appears to be 90% effective at preventing the disease. but it's not yet been approved and several vaccines will be needed if global demand is to be met. that's why vaccine trials are so important. 25,000 people are already taking part in vaccine studies in the uk but many more are needed. we don't know which vaccines are going to be right for which populations, which age groups, and which vaccines to give together. there's over 300,000 people signed up on the nhs registry, who might want to take part
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in vaccine trials and the people in the areas and regions around the vaccine centres, people in these locations will receive e—mails this week inviting them to look at the information about the study, to fill in a prequalifying questionnaire if they wish to know more and then 6,000 people between those 17 sites will be invited to come and take part. for the janssen study, volunteers will receive two doses, two months apart. half of those on the trial will get a dummy jab. the 6,000 volunteers in the uk will be among 30,000 internationally. it could be six to nine months before we get results. the uk government has advance orders for six covid vaccines, including 30 million doses of the janssen jab. the nhs has been told to be ready to start immunisation from next month, should regulators improve any vaccines for general use.
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the health secretary matt hancock welcomed the news that another possible coronavirus vaccine had launched a major trial in the uk. it's good whose dad another vaccine is being tested now in the uk. that's some months off, it's just starting its phase three clinical trials. the pfizer vaccine, we are working very closely with the company, and of course we will be ready to roll it out as soon as it comes, we will be ready from the 1st of december, but that is the earliest it could possibly come, everything would have to go right for that to happen. more likely is that we may be able to start rolling it out before christmas but almost certainly, the vast bulk of the roll—out, if the safety data proves
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it is safe and that is still not known, we still don't have a vaccine, but even if we do, it is likely that the bulk of the roll—out would be in the new year but obviously, we are doing all we can on the nhs is working incredibly hard, to be ready for the best case scenario, if that comes off. let's speak to the director of the nihr southampton clinical research facility and chief investigator for the janssen phase 3 trial — professor saul faust great to have you with us, thank you for joining great to have you with us, thank you forjoining us. different vaccines work in different ways so how does yours work? the jansen vaccine for the trials starting today is a modified human cold virus, that has been deactivated so it cannot cause colds or replicate in the human body but it shows the spike protein to the immune system and that is the
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same bits of the spike protein almost that the pfizer vaccine or the oxford astrazeneca vaccine and all the other vaccines that are being made, also show to the human immune system so it's really exciting, the pfizer result, from last week because even if there is still a long way to go with vaccine development, it was the first time we've actually seen for certain that a vaccine against spike protein. and can stop coronavirus so it's important we have our range of vaccines in our armoury so the pfizer vaccine has given us hope and the jansen study starts today, as she said. it starts today but when do you anticipate you might have some sense of how it is working and going and getting results? jansen have already done a very large study in the united states of one dose of this vaccine and the interim results from phase one and two studies show
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that it does appear to generate a good immune response and this two dose study which is starting in the uk but also globally in america and other european countries, is to see whether the second dose can give a better and more prolonged immune response, if you like, whether the memory to the vaccine lasts longer stop and so, this study will take a few months to fully recruit butjust like the pfizer vaccine in america and the oxford astrazeneca vaccine trial in the uk, and elsewhere in the world, we are expecting the results around 6—8 months after starting the study. one of the key aspects of course is how well a vaccine will protect the elderly and the most vulnerable so i did wonder who is involved in your trial and how old are some of them? we don't know how any of the vaccines are going to work with people of different ages. this study involves
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people of all ages above the age of 18 years old so we are hoping that about 30% across all of the countries taking part in the study, about 30%, are aiming to be above 60 yea rs old about 30%, are aiming to be above 60 years old and about 20% under a0 yea rs old years old and about 20% under a0 years old so this study is allowing people with a range of medical conditions to take part. at the beginning of the study, the first 1000 patients or so is healthy people with only moderate associated conditions but as we move later into this month, people with all sorts of medical conditions will also be able to ta ke medical conditions will also be able to take part. just a final thought about take up because you will be aware there are some people who are nervous, they are worried that these vaccines are being pushed through quickly and how much do we know about medium and long term side effects ? about medium and long term side effects? what do you say to those people? the technology that's been
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used for the jansen vaccine and the 0xford astrazeneca vaccine is not new technology and in fact, apart from the pfizer vaccine is and are ina vaccine, from the pfizer vaccine is and are in a vaccine, that is new, we have not had these vaccines are licensed before but all the other vaccines are based on normal vaccine technology that has licensed vaccines for other diseases so an ebola virus vaccine based on the same principles that jansen ebola virus vaccine based on the same principles thatjansen had developed that has got a licence so we know at lot about vaccines and the side effects from other infections. and ultimately, that is why we are doing these trials, it's really important people take part in the studies so we can get the exact efficacy, that means way that they work, and safety data for the individual vaccines and of course, some people might also say, if there isa some people might also say, if there is a vaccine, why should i take part in clinical trials? and the answer to that as it is going to be some time before everybody in the uk and
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globally, receives at licensed vaccine on the nhs. we are hoping to start immunising, as you know, in december and into the new year but really, the most vulnerable people will be receiving the vaccine first and there is plenty of time for people to take part in the studies up people to take part in the studies up until then. and if and when individual age groups are called for a vaccine, there will be a plan as to how people on the trials are not disadvantaged by having taken part in that study. professor, really good to hear your thoughts, keep in touch, let us know how it goes. many thanks. thank you very much. the health secretary will be fronting up a government news conference at 5pm this evening. we will bring you that live of course here on bbc. do not go away. the government is hoping to double the uk's daily coronavirus
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testing capacity by opening two new laboratories. known as "megalabs", the facilities are set to open early next year in scotland and leamington spa. they'll be able to process up to 600,000 tests per day. the latest data shows current capacity is 520,000 — although the number actually processed each day is lower. the uk and the european union resume trade talks in brussels today — after failing to close gaps between their positions on two of the thorniest issues under negotiation; competition rules and fishing. let's go straight to brussels and talk to our correspondent nick beake. how close or perhaps, should i say, farapart, are the how close or perhaps, should i say, far apart, are the two sides? rebecca, the uk chief negotiator lauder frost has been tweeting saying some progress has been made in recent days and now the two sides are making pretty good progress when it comes to riding down the text of a free trade agreement which will
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run into hundreds of pages. but he did say there is still a big problem and in his words, that is because the eu is not recognising that the uk will be a sovereign nation and he says he will only sign up to a deal if it respects the fact the uk will be taking back control of its laws, its waters, its trade and he says they may not reach a deal on that. of course, if you talk to people here in brussels, eu diplomats, they say actually it is the uk that finally needs to compromise more, needs to reach out and give ground so that an agreement can be reached, they wanted some sort of deal to be in place before this thursday because there is going to be a video conference of the eu leaders, the 27 eu leaders, that were hoping to have a look at something. it looks like, would you believe, another brexit deadline will have come and past but time is running out now, they need to get something in place before the end of the year. what happens if
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they don't? quite simply, the uk and they don't? quite simply, the uk and the eu will trade on world trade organisation terms, basically that means there will be an end to zero ta riffs means there will be an end to zero tariffs and zero quotas, in other words, there will be taxes on goods moving between the uk and the eu, also there could be limits on the amount of stuff that moves between the two sides stop the net impact of that would be its more expensive for businesses and of course more expensive for consumers, for all of us, that is why both sides insist they do want a deal but finding one as we know is going to be very difficult and they are still stuck on the idea of how much the eu but can fish on the idea of how much the eu but canfish in on the idea of how much the eu but can fish in british waters in the future and the extent to which the uk signs up to eu rules and regulations in the future, competition rules on things like environmental standards and things for employers, the amount of hours
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people were, still big disagreements there. domestic political turmoil this week at number ten downing st, we have seen the departure of two of the biggest architects are brexit from the prime minister ‘s top team. what is your sense of what impact, if any, that might have on the talks? downing street stressing it will have no impact on it, boris johnson is the most resolute within the room, within his cabinet, whenever they talk about brexit, he will not agree to a bad deal under any circumstances. the eu, i am quite sure, interestingly, david frost, the eu chief negotiator, he tweeted, use that phrase, it is imperative that the uk takes back control, who of course is said to have come up with that phrase? dominic cummings. the man may have gone from downing street, certainly has terminology, language, remains and we will have to see whether the
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uk keeps this very tough position, there is some speculation within the cabinet there are key ministers who wa nt to cabinet there are key ministers who want to see this deal achieved. both sides have said they do want a deal and what we need to stress is there will be big changes to the way business is done irrespective of an agreement being reached but time is ticking, i know we have heard that time and again. it's only seven weeks until the end of the year, it's not just weeks until the end of the year, it's notjust agreeing a deal, they have got to get it into legal terms, translated into 23 different languages from the eu side, it needs to be ratified in the british parliament, it also needs to be ratified by the european parliament and if unexpectedly, extra stuff comes into it, you've also got the prospect which people haven't really talked about to a great extent so far, other european parliaments may have to look at this is a really, not much time at all. both sides agree this week is really, really critical, rebecca. thank you for that.
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four astronauts are heading towards the international space station this morning, after a successful rocket launch from cape canaveral in florida. it's nasa's first fully—fledged mission using a privately—owned craft. 0ur science correspondent victoria gill has more. three, two, one, zero. ignition. a spectacular show, and a space exploration milestone. and resilience rises. not even gravity contains humanity when we explore as one for all. the launch of this spacex dragon capsule with its four crew marks a new era, one in which the us space agency buys seats for its astronauts on privately—owned spacecraft. the space shuttle, retired almost a decade ago, was the last craft that was certified to fly nasa astronauts from american soil, but now the agency will work in partnership with spacex, taking crew to and from the international space station.
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that's inside crew dragon right now. 0ur crew—1 crew now coasting in low earth orbits... sunday's launch is the culmination of years of design and testing, but the demonstration flight back in may was the test that the world was watching, as spacex successfully transported two astronauts to the space station and brought them home safely. the four people on this first fully operational flight, nasa astronauts michael hopkins, victor glover and shannon walker, and the japanese space agency astronaut soichi noguchi, will bring the number of crew on the international space station to seven. nasa says this will triple the amount of microgravity research that can be done. there are over 250 experiments that take place on the international space station at any one time, and they are in all sorts of different areas. a lot of the research done is involved in medicines, and in helping to understand how the human body works.
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it's a truly international endeavour, and countries coming together is what we need in human exploration. this group will spend about six months in space, looking back on earth as the crisis of the pandemic continues to unfold. and in a nod to a mission accomplished during this most turbulent of years, they've called their ship resilience. victoria gill, bbc news. rishi sunak is in east london today launching the government's bidding process to allow local communities to become freeports. speaking to the media in the last half an hour — he was also asked about the pm having to self—isolate. i think the government legal businesses and organisations over the past few months, has been able to do things differently. we are doing meetings online, the prime minister already this morning, you have seen the video, we are getting on with people's priorities, talking
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about the green agenda later this week. our about the green agenda later this week. 0urfight about the green agenda later this week. our fight against coronavirus. and also today, part of the plan for jobs, we are announcing the launch of the prospectus for areas to become free reports so there's lots of us to be getting on with and that's what we are doing. you will be charging people to use the roads, how does that help in areas without public transport? speculation people might see, i would not comment on future fiscal policy but this week the prime minister will publish our plan, actually, for the green revolution, as he likes to describe it, with an exciting set of opportunities to create jobs and drive growth across the uk as we transition to net zero. you are here today to talk about reports and trying to boost growth around the country, we are in a critical stage of talks with the eu which will be critical to future growth. are you encouraging the prime minister to bend on some issues to secure a future trade deal? exciting news today, we are launching the bidding prospectus for free ports to allow local communities to apply to become a free port and now we have let the eu we have the opportunity to do
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things differently. freeport saw a great example of that, areas with enhanced tax incentives, other support and easier customs processes mean you can attract investment, create jobs, and drive mean you can attract investment, createjobs, and drive growth mean you can attract investment, create jobs, and drive growth and it's a perfect example of our levelling up in practice. that was the chancellor of the exchequer speaking in the last 30 minutes. the head of the international olympic committee says he's now very confident the tokyo olympics will go ahead next year on schedule and with spectators watching. thomas bach was speaking after meeting japanese prime minister in tokyo. mr bach is on his first visit to the city since this year's 0lympics were postponed because of covid 19. however the mood of the japanese public remains sceptical, especially about the prospect of hundreds of thousands of olympic tourists. we are living in a dark tunnel and the olympic games, nextjuly, and
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the olympic games, nextjuly, and the paralympic games, next august, they can be the light at the end of this tunnel and we have good reasons to say this. but we have to understand that people who are feeling uncertain about their lives tomorrow, about their lives in one month from now, when they do not know which restrictions they may have to accept and what it will mean for them, that they also may feel some uncertainty about an event taking place in nine months from now. there will be much more sport after the weather. here is carol kirkwood. hello again. after the wet and windy weather some of us had at the weekend,
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today is going to be drier and brighter but there is still some further rain in the forecast. so, quite a bit of cloud around, some sunshine coming through that cloud, some scattered here and there, and the cloud building through the course of the afternoon ahead of this band of rain. wherever you are, it is going to be a blustery day but the strongest winds will be across the far north of scotland where we could have gusts of 50 mph. through this evening and overnight, after a cold start, temperatures will rise as the cloud and rain push in across the north and the east, murky on western coasts and hills and these are our overnight lows, nine to 1a celsius — they would be pretty good as maximum daytime temperatures at this time of year. some heavy rain, though, in the forecast for north—west scotland as we go through the course of tuesday, still this mild south—westerly wind and still a fair bit of cloud around with some showers, but in the shelter of the hills, we could hit 17 celsius, north—east wales and east pennines and also north—east scotland. hello this is bbc news.
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the headlines: borisjohnson is self—isolating after meeting an mp who's tested positive for coronavirus. the prime minister says he has no symptoms, but says "the rules are the rules" and actually doesn't matter that i have had the disease and i am bursting with antibodies, we have got to interrupt the spread of the disease. well, it doesn't change the amount of work that the prime minister will be able to do driving forward the agenda at all. a major new vaccine trial gets under way in the uk — it uses a genetically modified common cold virus to train the immune system. the government is hoping to double the uk's daily coronavirus testing capacity by opening two new "megalabs". talks to agree a post—brexit trade deal resume in brussels, with both sides calling for compromises to be made. eu leaders hope to sign off on a deal on thursday.
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a new pilot, giving family members access to regular testing, starts at a number of care homes in england. three, two, one, zero. ignition. and taxi for space? the new era for extraterrestial travel as the space x capsule heads into orbit. sport and for a full round up, from the bbc sport centre, here's kat. good morning. lovely to see you. lewis hamilton will be waking up this morning as the most successful driver in the history of formula one. the briton won a chaotic and wet turkish grand prix despite starting from sixth. that saw him crowned world champion for a seventh time, equalling michael schumacher. but hamilton has won more races, making him statistically the best. next year though he's going to take inspiration
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from the black lives matter movement. this year has been so much different ina this year has been so much different in a sense that fighting for something much, much bigger than a simple title. yes, it is great, it is amazing thing to see this trophy but what does it all really mean? what is great? what we need to do, the thing we haven't won yet, is we need to come together, we need to push for change, we need equality, we need more diversity within industry. this year i have kind of channel that fight into my driving and you are seeing the best driving that i have ever done. world number one dustin johnson said winning the masters felt like a dream. he produced a record breaking performance at augusta to finish on 20—under—par — the lowest score in masters history. he won by five shots, with rory mcilroy the best placed
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brit, nine shots behind. so no stopping johnson, and as is tradition, he received the famous green jacket from last years champion tiger woods. it is a dream come true. as a kid, i always dreamt about being a masters champion. it's ok. it's just incredible, obviously, as you can tell. you care so much and you work so hard, it's just that not a lot of us get to see it. i've never had this much trouble gathering myself. it's ok. applause reality is sinking in for the masters champion. tributes have been made to one of england's goalkeeping greats, ray clemence, who died yesterday at the age of 72. clemence won three european cups and five first division titles during a trophy—laden spell at liverpool, before winning the fa cup with tottenham. he spent the majority of his england career in battle with his close friend, peter shilton for the number one shirt.
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he was a great character right until the end. he didn't want people to worry about him and that is a sort of person he was. you know, great agility, great hands, reflexes, a natural sort of goalkeeper. he was a lwa ys natural sort of goalkeeper. he was always ready for a laugh, always ready for a giggle. i just always ready for a laugh, always ready for a giggle. ijust think he was one of those people that you could trust, and just a great all—round guy. i am just so sad that he has been taken from us so early in his life. england have failed to qualify for next 0ctober‘s nations league finals after a 2—0 defeat to the top ranked team in the world, belgium. leicester forword youri tielemans opened the scoring before dries mertens found the back of the net from this freekick. the defeat is the tenth in a8 matches under gareth southgate for england, but there were some
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positives, notably the performance for england, but there were some positi' international he performance for england, but there were some positi' international career ormance for england, but there were some positi' international career who |nce for england, but there were some positi' international career who were in the international career who were excellent. jack is the obvious one. his performance was outstanding. in a top—level game, we had a fair proportion of the chances on goal. if they avoid defeat against finland on wednesday. david brooks' header was enough to beat ireland by 1—0. meanwhile, northern ireland conceded two late goals away to austria. they will now need to beat romania on wednesday if they are to have any hope of avoiding relegation from their group. and scotland lost their first game since qualifying for next years european championship.
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jan with the only goal of the game there for slovakia. that's all the sport for now. thank you for that. good to see you. the supreme court will today begin hearing a test case to decide whether insurance companies should cover businesses for losses they incurred during the first uk—wide lockdown. thousands of firms believe they should receive payouts from their business interruption policies but insurers argue that the products were never intended to cover such unprecedented restrictions. the ruling will have a bearing on 370,000 policyholders and more than £1 billion in potential payments. well, we can speak now to richard leedham, a senior partner at law firm mishcon de reya, representing the hiscox action group and also i'm joined by daniel duckett, owner of the lazy claire patisserie
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in belfast, also on the steering committee of the hiscox action group. welcome to you both. if you could briefly explain to us what the action group is. it's a group of now a00 small businesses and a few hundred more in the background but a00 that have brought legal proceedings that came together back in march. so hiscox is essentially one of the insurers that is involved in this. daniel, tell us the impact that lockdown had on your business. i own that lockdown had on your business. iowna that lockdown had on your business. i own a small cafe and patisserie here in belfast and following the announcements from the prime minister, we completely shut to take ca re of minister, we completely shut to take care of the safety of our customers and employees. we had no trade during that period whatsoever so we
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really need this business interruption insurance to kick in. we believe we have a valid claim to cover those weeks we were closed where we had to pay employees and other costs we had outgoing as well. richard, what are the key issues that the supreme court will have to consider? there are two sets of issues. one is causation issue, which insurers argue that these losses would have happened anyway. it doesn't matter that there was government restrictions. if the government restrictions. if the government hadn't imposed restrictions, businesses would have suffered a loss. the insurance won in the first instance decision. a second set of issue our coverage issues, in a particular policies. what is any restriction, when the premise that all people to stay
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home, told businesses to shut or is it at home, told businesses to shut or is itata home, told businesses to shut or is it at a later point when those things actually became law? there are those two sets of issues, essentially. daniel, my understanding is that hiscox says the policies do not cover the pandemic, essentially. how clearwas that made to you when you took out the policy? i took up the policy directly from hiscox and there was no mention that it was not pandemic, or that it was, so that wasn't explicitly spoken about but upon a good reading of the wording of the policy, it covers this situation. there are other insurance policies that specifically would exclude a pandemic but hiscox have prided themselves on covering the incomparable or opening themselves up incomparable or opening themselves up to more risk than other insurers. reading the document as a small
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business owner, as many of the small business owner, as many of the small business owners have done as well, a common—sense reading says we are cove red common—sense reading says we are covered because there is nothing in the wording that would make you believe that this is not a situation that they would pay for. it was very confusing and very angering when they sent me a seven e—mail with legalese and reasons why they wouldn't be covering this situation. they have continued to fight this as if we need to be legal experts in insurance law and it has been very frustrating to hear the stories of other people whojust frustrating to hear the stories of other people who just do not comprehend why this policy wouldn't ta ke comprehend why this policy wouldn't take it in. richard, if the insurance companies lose in this supreme court ruling, will they have to pay out? could we also be in a situation where some pay—out and others don't? yes, we could be in
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that situation, that was essentially the position back in september with the position back in september with the first instance decision to say the first instance decision to say the insurance won on the main causation issue but not... the fce produce guidelines as to what that decision meant for a particular policy. because everything is up for grabs again, it is very difficult to say what could happen but it could mean that all insurers who have within the ambit when. it could also not mean that. listening to daniel, his business is now in the midst of a second lockdown, just as the court gathers to hear the effects of the first lockdown. i mean, it does put everything into pretty stark focus for businesses that we are still arguing about this eight months on when they are suffering all the same losses again. daniel, if you don't
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receive any money, what could happen to your business? well, we have been fortunate that we have been able to survive but that has only really been due to the fact that i have had to defer a lot of our payments, i have had to defer loans, take out extra loans, so it won't be a harsh reality but it will be the reality that we will be in debt for another five years with the bounce back loan scheme, which did help keep us afloat but we were on track to become debt free by nextjune so we need this payment to get back into the situation that we were before and that is what the insurance is for, to put us where we would have been if this hadn't occurred. that is what we expected and thousands of our members expect that they will be put in the situation that they should be in. they're desperate to be put back into the right
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situation. for some it is too late, some have had to begin insolvency and calling liquidators which is really unfortunate. this could have been prevented. even with interim payments, as has been dictated, i don't know of anyone who has received payment from these claims yet. we are really hoping for some clarity in the next few days from the same supreme court. thank you both so much forjoining us here on bbc news. thank you. thank you. let's get more now on the prime minister, who's having to spend the next ten days in self—isolation after a meeting with an mp who later tested positive for coronavirus. sonia purnell is a writer who has written a biography of boris johnson — called just boris. good to have you with us. boris
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johnson says he is fit as a butcher's dog, bursting with antibodies, what did you make of it? it is the great bravado of the great showman he is. he is very good at that sort of thing, sounding positive. the whole thing is extremely mysterious. first of all we saw the picture of him with lee anderson, this mp, and they weren't wearing masks which seems extremely odd ina wearing masks which seems extremely odd in a lockdown... sorry wearing masks which seems extremely odd in a lockdown. .. sorry to interrupt, i think it is because they were in a workplace environment so therefore they don't have to do. but there were no screens between them and most of us either have screens or a long way apart or we wear masks. they seem to be strange images. the other thing is lee anderson is also very interesting mp, he has got into trouble before, the stuff during the election campaign which the bbc reported on about allegations of there being
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fa ke about allegations of there being fake supporters and all sorts of things. if there is a reset, it is very odd, an odd way to go about it. first we don't have the prime minister out in person, secondly it was a controversial mp to do this with. it raises more questions than it answers. are we actually going to see anything that is very different from now on? just before lee cain and dominic cummings seem to have left the building, are they actually not going to have anything to do with the government any more? we had resignation letters as far as we know from dominic cummings, it is all a bit odd as always. will boris johnson be seeing this period that he has to self—isolate as a setback or do you think he will see it as an opportunity? well, i guess it means he doesn't have to face keir starmer at pmqs on wednesday after a week of
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torrid news emanating from downing street, all sorts of reports about tantrums and tears on things. in that way, i think it helps him. but how extraordinary that we don't have the prime minister out there and about during the week that is absolutely crucial for brexit, for the brexit talks. already in terrible trouble. this is extraordinary. brexit is boris johnson's great project. if it comes toa johnson's great project. if it comes to a combination where he isn't physically there, that is very strange because what happens over the next couple of days has a great deal of import on all of our livelihoods, our quality—of—life, what is our life going to be like in the future, and it is extremely bad timing as faras the future, and it is extremely bad timing as far as that is concerned. also, it raises questions in should we be embarking on something so extraordinary and seismic in the middle of a pandemic when we have these terrible deaths? i lost my
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mother to covid. what i want the government to do is concentrate on the disease and i think there are so many distractions at the moment that we can't be confident that they are. found what you know of boris johnson, though, how do you think he will be taking this personally? —— from what you know of borisjohnson, how do you think you'll be finding this? frustrating ? how do you think you'll be finding this? frustrating? nobody likes to have things curtailed but he is not someone who likes to be pinned down personally and publicly. i think he does really probably dislike prime minister's questions. it is not the sort of thing that he is particularly good at. he is a great wordsmith in many ways, a fantastic campaigner but actually standing at the dispatch box and putting forward coherent, planned, detailed government policy, he is less good at. anyway, this lets him escape
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some of the scrutiny, some of the questioning, some of the attacks, perhaps, that he might otherwise have faced this week, he is now going to be able to say, look, sorry, i am going to be able to say, look, sorry, iam having going to be able to say, look, sorry, i am having to self—isolate. for us, i think it is about time, for us the country, for him as prime minister, knowing his personality as ido, minister, knowing his personality as i do, having worked with him, having being his deputy, i think he might feel slightly more comfortable out the week ahead. boris johnson's biographer thank you so much for joining us. a new report is warning that working from home poses a serious threat to community cohesion and could lead directly to an increase in prejudice. the study by the woolf institute is the largest ever piece of research on personal attitudes to diversity conducted in england and wales and suggests that offices and workplace friendships are key to breaking down prejudices.
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let's speak to dr ed kessler, founder director of the woolf institute and principal investigator for the report. tell is a little bit more about what you found ? thank tell is a little bit more about what you found? thank you. it it is the largest ever study looking at diversity particularly at religious diversity. the workplaces where we meet people, make friends, and it is friendships that break down diversity. what we found in this study is 75% of us in our workplace meet and work with somebody who is different in terms of ethnicity, nationality and religion. now that many of us are working at home, we don't have that opportunity to meet others so we are worried we are back ina silo others so we are worried we are back in a silo and i will only foster prejudice. we have to think about that not just now prejudice. we have to think about that notjust now but when we return, when the vaccines are available, what will the workplace
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look like and what can we do about it? but with more people working from home at the moment, how concerned, how worried are you?” from home at the moment, how concerned, how worried are you? i am worried but of course people also wa nt to worried but of course people also want to work together. the thing is, what is going to happen in the future workplace? that is a question we need to ask. we are not going to go back to the same work patterns we had before, that is clear. we are going to go to work, notjust to work, but to meet somebody, work with somebody, to achieve a task or output, and i think what architects need to do and we have been in discussion, as we need to think about workplaces not just discussion, as we need to think about workplaces notjust in terms of equality or health and safety, all of which are important, but in terms of diversity, because the better we get our network, the better we get our network, the better the output will be, happy employers and employees will be. let's just say that we move to a hybrid model and that we sometimes are going into the office but we are sometimes working from home, in
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terms of that working from home, how can we foster the relationships that you are talking about? we are much more literate in terms of technology and the sort of communication. we will break down the silo work, the silo effect of being at home all the time in the future because we will be going out more, we will be working somewhere else from home but we may well be developing our workplace in a five—minute city. they won't be half an hour away or an hour away from home, they will be closer. in those environments weed to facilitate encounters where you get to know your neighbours better. what the wolf institute is interested in his finding out how divided we are, how tolerant we are and what we are saying is the workplace is an environment that we —— that can be a hub of integration. we need to know is that along in the post covid world. this is particularly pertinent to younger
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people who are justjoining companies. this must be an area of concern for you? you are right. it is interesting that in this study we found that young people are more open to diversity, a more positive attitude to diversity, than older people so that is encouraging. take employment and unemployment. we found that 37% higher rate unemployed will not have friends outside of their own ethnicity. it isa outside of their own ethnicity. it is a worry. unemployment fosters challenges to cohesion but as far as young people are concerned, they aim to be much more open to diversity and welcome diversity than those of us and welcome diversity than those of us who are older. i think your report found that religion is now the greater driver of personal prejudice to. is that right and what more can you tell me about that? that was quite surprising. we asked people whether they felt diverse ethnicity was good for britain and more than three to one said it was.
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then we asked national diversity and more than two to one said that it was good for britain but religious diversity was the lowest. just a0% said it was positive for britain. 0f those three aspects, it was the lowest which way is found quite surprising. we drill down further and we explored what aspects of religion are of concern. 0ne question we asked is if a close relative of yours married a black person if you were black how would you feel. 7a% said they would feel co mforta ble you feel. 7a% said they would feel comfortable which is an incredibly positive response but that dropped when asked how they would feel if they married a muslim. within the religions, the prejudice is directed particularly towards muslims which does concern us and we need to tackle. really good to talk to you.
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thank you forjoining us here on bbc news. pleasure. you will remember that talks resume in brussels today. some lines coming into us from eu diplomatic sources. a quote here, "the uk has choices to make in trade talks." that is according to the eu. eu diplomats say progress made in drafting the legal text of a new trade treaty, so there has been progress made, according to eu diplomats, but no mutually a cce pta ble diplomats, but no mutually acceptable solutions yet on fisheries, governance level playing field so those three sticking points, that would suggest, still no nearer resolution. those talks agree a post brexit trade deal are
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resuming in brussels today. now it's time for a look at the weather with carol kirkwood. hello again. for much of this week, it's going to be unseasonably mild, except for thursday when it is going to turn much colder, there will be a significant wind chill, but it will be short lived because on friday we see a return to milder conditions. today, though, dry and brighter weather is coming our way compared to the weekend but there is more rain in the forecast and that is courtesy of an area of low pressure with its fronts coming in from the south—west through the course of the afternoon. one look at this chart with all those isobars tells you it is going to be a blustery day, the strongest winds will be across the north of scotland, here we could have gusts of 50mph. so we still have some spots of rain here and there but equally some sunshine coming through this morning's cloud but the cloud will continue to build from the west ahead of this band of rain arriving for the course of the afternoon. temperatures ranging from nine to highs of 13. through this evening and overnight, it will be a cold start in the north—east of scotland
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but as the cloud and rain push steadily northwards and eastwards, you will find the temperatures here will go up. you will find the temperatures still a blustery night in prospect, murky particularly in the western hills and a temperature range nine to 13 or 1a celsius. these temperatures would be good by day at this time of year, in fact, there is not a huge amount of difference by night and day for some. into tuesday, we still have our first weather front with the second one coming in hot on its heels, still an array of isobars so still it is going to be a blustery day. the wind coming in from the south—west is also going to be mild. if you are in the shelter of the hills in north—east wales, east of the pennines, north—east scotland, you could hit 17 celsius. this rain will be heavy and persistent up to about 75 millimetres could fall through the course of 2a hours, twice that on the hills. temperatures generally tend to 15 celsius. as we head into wednesday, weather front starts to sink southwards and as it does so,
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it allows cooler air to follow in behind. high pressure settle things down temporarily on thursday but it is on thursday that it will be cold. you can see the milder air on wednesday but colder airfollowing in. thursday cold with a significant wind chill, also some wintriness on some of the hills but by the time we get to the weekend, things will be brighter. the rain crosses us all on wednesday and then something brighter with some sunshine comes our on thursday.
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this is bbc news with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. the uk prime minister is self—isolating after meeting an mp who's tested positive for coronavirus. borisjohnson says he has no symptoms, but says "the rules are the rules" it actually doesn't matter that i've had the disease and am bursting with antibodies. we've got to interrupt the spread of the disease. it doesn't change the amount of work the prime minister will be able to do, driving forward the agenda at all. a major new vaccine trial gets underway in the uk — it uses a genetically modified common cold virus to train the immune system.
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