tv Outside Source BBC News January 12, 2021 7:00pm-8:00pm GMT
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hello, i'm ros atkins, this is outside source. president trump calls moves to impeach him — absolutely ridiculous. asked if he hears any responsibility for the storming of the us capitol — he says his words were "totally appropriate". it comes as democrats push for president trump to be removed from office immediately — or face a second impeachment. we want no violence, never violence, we want absolutely no violence. and on the impeachments, it's really a continuation of the greatest witchhunt in the history of politics. it's ridiculous. as congress debates whther he should be allowed to finish his term as president, donald trump travelled to texas to view the border wall that was a major feature of his 2016 campaign. in the uk, police forces are warning
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they will take tougher action against those who do not comply with coronavirus restrictions. we will play you a devastating report that has revealed around 9000 children died in more than a dozen so—called mother and baby homes in ireland over eight decades, extending into the 20th century. this is the ugandan opposition, he says soldiers raided his home and arrested his security guards. this is as uganda prepares to vote. we will be live there. donald trump has left the white house for the first time since his supporters ransacked the capitol last week. he's visiting alamo in texas, to see the barrier that's being built along the border with mexico. we'll update on that visit in a minute — first the the house of representatives, the lower house of congress, is preparing to vote on a motion calling on vice president mike pence
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to remove donald trump from office. if mr pence declines, they will move toward impeach a president — the first time a president would have been impeached twice. here's what president trump said as he left for texas we want no violence, never violence. we want absolutely no violence. and on the impeachments, it's really a continuation of the greatest witchhunt in the history of politics. it's ridiculous. it's absolutely ridiculous. this impeachment is causing tremendous anger, and they're doing it, and it's really a terrible thing that they're doing. for nancy pelosi and chuck schumer to continue on this path, i think it's causing tremendous danger to our country, and it's causing tremendous anger. i want no violence. thank you very much. thank you, everybody. so that was donald trump a little while ago. let's have a look at some
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of the pictures coming in from texas. these are supporters waiting to greet president trump in texas. he is there to emphasise his policies on immigration from his particular policy around the border wall, although that border is not being completed, nowhere near, something that the president said would happen if he were elected in 2016. gary 0'donoghue is in washington. hejoins us now. what did you make up hejoins us now. what did you make up what the president said? welcome i think up what the president said? welcome ithinka up what the president said? welcome i think a few people would be surprised. a lot of people will think this is the president doing the thing that he does, effectively denying what a lot of people think is the obvious. certainly taking no responsibility for what happened last week. suggesting a kind of political dog whistle way which will worried people, that maybe there is a lot of anger out there at the attem pts a lot of anger out there at the atte m pts to a lot of anger out there at the attempts to impeach him. now, a lot of people will say that that is a
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dog whistle to his supporters to be angry, which, of course, is what he said to them last week. "don't be weak, go up there, make your presence felt." and that is what led, of course, at least proceeded, those attacks on the capital. presumably, for all the condemnation, there's not really a great deal he can do to influence whether this impeachment proceeds are not. he could resign. that would stop the impeachment in its tracks. i'm pretty sure about that. that's an option to him, that's what richard nixon did in 1974, of course, when he knew impeachment was about to happen. the republican senators went to him and said the time is up. he resigned. that would be an option for the president. he seems unlikely that he would consider that. the on the option or the way he would consider resignation is this business of a pardon. you know, that is one way of him potentially getting his vice
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president to pardon him of any future prosecutions. that's what happened to nixon, gerald ford pardoned nixon once he became president. but, of course come ford sought his —— saw his populated go through the floor as soon as he had done that. in terms of mr trump's relationship with their public and party, that may be relevant if impeachment does begin. how are you reading the reaction of senior republicans in the last few days? well, look, there have been some republican senators who have come out and said that he should resign. some have hinted that they might vote for an impeachment process. some of those more moderate republicans who are up for election soon, people like susan collins, lisa makowski, they are not up for election at the moment, in fact, susan collins just won her seat again, didn't she? so that may be possible. mitt romney from utah come he voted for one of those articles of impeachment last time around. i
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think in terms of the house, the vote in the house which could take place tomorrow, there have been some hints from some republicans that they might go with that. it would be a handful at most, i think, they might go with that. it would be a handful at most, ithink, if they might go with that. it would be a handful at most, i think, if they did. but democrats would love that because they would be able to say there was some bipartisan elements to its, which of course, there wasn't enough last time around. 0k, gary, thank you so much indeed. gary out in the street in washington, dc. let's be clear. only three presidents have been impeached — and donald trump is already one of them. the us constitution allows congress to remove presidents if enough lawmakers vote to say they committed "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors." but there are other options. the 25th amendment allows the vice president and cabinet to remove the president. democratic house leader nancy pelosi has already asked for this to be invoked, that's what's being debated today. but vice president pence has signalled he will not do it — which leaves, impeachment, where charges are brought to the house and can be passed in a simple majority vote. the case is then passed to the senate for a trial, where a two—thirds vote is necessary
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for a president's removal. last time, in 2019, the democratic—led house impeached donald trump — then the republican majority senate acquitted him. let's be clear there is the 14th amendment, which bars a president from office if he is found to have "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against" the constitution. that debate is getting heated. here is the chair of the house rules committee, a democrat withjim jordan, a republican who voted against recognising some of the 20/20 presidential election results. that is not the question i asked. i asked you to lay bare the fact that this light out there that ——i asked you to lay bare the fact that this lie out there that somehowjoe biden did not win the election fair and square. he did. the president to this day continues to perpetrate that. and so...
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are you saying there were no problems? there were no concerns? is that what you are saying, mrchairman? of course i understand joe biden won, but are you saying there are no concerns with this election? here's an example of what they're talking about, this is donald trump speaking last wednesday we will never give up, we will never concede. it doesn't happen. you don't concede when there is theft involved. cheering. our country has had enough. we will not take it anymore. hours later, members of that crowd marched to the capitol building and this was the scene that unfolded. trump supporters broke through police lines and invaded congress, five people died during the riot — including a police officer. today donald trump defended his speech what is your role in what happened at the capital? what is your personal responsibility? so, if you read my speech, and many people have done it, and i have seen it both in the papers and in the media, on television, it's been analysed, and people thought that what i said was totally appropriate.
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and if you look at what other people have said, politicians at a high level, about the riots during the summer, the horrible riots in portland and seattle and various other places, that was a real problem, what they said. but they have analysed my speech into my words and my final paragraph, my final sentence, and everybody thought it was totally appropriate. 0k? thank you. donald trump and mike pence didn't speak for days after the capitol 0ne one key part of the speech last week was a message to mike pence, his vice president. he was pressurising him to block the certification of joe biden is the winner of the election by invoking powers that the vice president did not possess. here's a bit more of what president trump told a crowd of his supporters last wednesday all vice president pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify, and we become president and you are the happiest people.
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well, they weren't happy. they marched on the capitol building, as you know. cccording to this article in the indpendent, donald trump never bothered to cheque on the vice president's safety as mike pence spent hours in a secure holding area with his staff and family as the rioters chanted about wanting to hang him outside the capitol doors. according to reports, they didn't speakfor according to reports, they didn't speak for days after that, but yesterday, monday, they did have a meeting in degree that donald trump should be allowed to finish his term ending next week, january the 20th. that's the day ofjoe biden‘s inauguration. after last week, as would imagine, washington remains on high alert ahead of presidect elect joe biden‘s inauguration, following the events of last week. donald trump has signed an emergency orderfor washington dc — which allows for the national guard to be deployed to protect key buildings. more than 6000 troops are already in the city — as many as 15,000 could be on duty by wednesday of next week. questions still remain about how the trump supporters were able to break
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through police lines to enter the capital building last week. on that, here is the former director of homeland security, michael. capital police really failed to take adequate steps to prepare for what was a very foreseeable and dangerous event. anybody who saw what was being reported about online threats and even what donald trump was saying publicly knew there was a substantial risk that people would try and interfere with the vote certification on january 6th. in the barriers they put up were pathetically small if you compare them to what was put up outside the white house over the summer. they were willfully underprepared in terms of personnel. they apparentley did not reach out to the national guard in advance, and there was very little planning for this kind of event, and that is a serious security lapse, which i think has resulted in some people being fired.
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in the uk, police forces are warning they will take tougher action against those who do not comply with coronavirus restrictions, with one police chief describing them as "dangerous, selfish and totally irresponsible". the home secretary, priti patel, has thanked the majority of people for complying with the rules, but blamed a minority who she said were putting the health of the nation at risk. here's our home editor mark easton. visitors aren't welcome on the seaside, peaked caps patrolling the shoreline. with people restricted, the rats are enjoying new freedoms. this tourist town doesn't want non—locals coming for a constitutional. they shouldn't be coming. they have to define what local is. i heard that they are going from downing street to the olympic park. what irritates me is that i hear minister after minister saying, "don't go out".
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but they don't follow it except for exercise. the news that the town's capital is struggling to cope, close to running out of oxygen yesterday, has contributed to the sense of emergency. most people do seem to be obeying the rules. southend looks like a place in lockdown. it feels as though the mood has changed. in the last couple of days, police say they will be quicker to fine rule breakers. there is strong public support for tougher enforcement and tighter restrictions, as the appeals from health professionals become ever more desperate. we need to really focus on what the enforcement issues are. if the legislation was a lot tighter, it would make it a lot easier for our colleagues in the police force to enforce what we are asking them to do. the home secretary warned that we may be facing a health service catastrophe. so why are the rules of this lockdown not as tough as they were last spring? the rules are actually very simple and clear. we are meant to stay at home
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and only leave home for a very limited number of reasons. that didn't answer the question, of course. the concern is not about the clarity of the rules, but their strength. police say people who flagrantly break the law, like these illegal gatherings in london, can expect heavy fines. because of the lack of engagement from people here, you are probably going to end up with up to a £10,000 fine. 0ur successful staged enforcement approach remains, but we will not linger on encouragement for those who are choosing to break the rules. the rules are clear, and we need to abide by them if we are going to protect the nhs unsafe people's lives. ——if we are going to protect the nhs and save people's lives. psychologists say getting people to obey the rules may have less to do with confronting lawbreakers and more the focus on those who are following the guidance. if you tell people, "everybody is doing this, stop it", actually,
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everybody hears that people are hearing the everybody is doing it. and people think, if everybody is doing it, why shouldn't i? and it undermines the behaviour. positive tests in southend have been falling in the past week, but 55 people have also died from the disease, an increase of 53%. what happens next is a matter of life and death. mark easton, bbc news, southend. now — a full global update on the pandemic for you. we're seeing spikes in cases and new lockdowns in a numberof countries. and the so—called uk—strain — which we know is more transmissible — is being held in part responsible. it's now been identified in 49 countries. these 16 countries have what's called community transmission of the uk strain — this means it's spreading through the population and and tracking it in detail is not possible. many of those countries are in western europe — they include the uk, ireland, germany, france and italy. it's also in the us, canada, russia and the phillipnes. then there's another 33 countries
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with recorded cases where people have arrived with the variant — rather than it being caught locally. there is though, of course, the possiility of local transmission. and if that's the uk variant, there's also the south africa variant. it's known to be in 15 countries — four have community transmission — south africa, zambia, botswana and the uk — the other 11 have imported cases only. 0ne place that has seen a dramatic rise in cases is ireland. in fact, there have been more people infected in ireland in the last seven days than were infected from march to october. that black vertical line is the beginning of 2021. as you can see the number of cases per million of the population has surged since then. and the country's seven—day rolling average is 1,394 cases per million of population to put that in context — the uk is at 810, europe as a whole is at 335. to reiterate — ireland's is four times hiugher than that. many in ireland are blaming the spread on the new,
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more tranismissable variant, but here's the who's dr michael ryan on that. in my own country, in ireland, which has suffered a massive increase in cases over the last number of weeks, have done extremely well in two surges of disease, had brought the disease under control and suffered one of the most acute increases in disease incidence of any country in the world over the last number of months, and not due to the variant, let me out, but mainly due to increased social mixing and reduction of physical distancing. the government and the authorities there have taken, and the community, have taken immediate action over the last two weeks, and already, we are starting to see disease number starting to drop, the positivity rate starting to drop. ireland is, of course, a much smaller country than most within europe. it has a population ofjust 4.9m. and despite their cases per million being the highest, it's only at 6,400 per day based on a seven day average. compare that to their closest
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neighbours, the uk, that has a population of 66.6m. and a seven day average of over 57,000 new daily cases dr shane mckeogh is a gp in dublin and one of the organisers of the gp tracker — an online tracker in which gps have tracked cases as they are identified in their practises. hejoins us now. thank you he joins us now. thank you very much for joining he joins us now. thank you very much forjoining us. i must immediately ask you, do you agree with michael ryan's analysis that this huge surge we are seeing is driven just by a change in behaviour? thanks for having me on. i think we probably think there are a few aspects to this. i think at the moment, there are probably three things leading to this dramatic surge in ireland. 0ne is the seasonality of the coronavirus having to be active this time of year, the second one is the change in the socialising that happened in ireland. we are social people, when the last restrictions ended getting of december, a lot of people went out, met friends, family, a lot of people felt it was
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safe at that time. and unfortunately commit propagated the virus quite quickly. at the third aspect is probably uk variant. the latest analysis of that in the last number of hours suggest it's more than what was initially expected, probably in the region of 40% of cases they looked out now look to be part of that new variant. it's deftly part of the picture, but there are multiple factors here. the graphic i was showing before introduced to show the huge spike in infections commit was a national picture, but doesn't mirror what you are seeing? yes, it does. we have been running this tracker through general practises around ireland since the pa rt practises around ireland since the part of the pandemic last merge, and what we do is we asked gps everyday hominy cases have you had today that you have referred to for a test? we have been tracking this, it gives us a kind of warning, canary in the coal mine picture, of days in advance positive test result since last march. and what we have seen us once we got over that initial surge that they were seen, maybe one case a day, right through until december, and that very quickly changed
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towards the end of december around christmas eve and so forth, jumped up christmas eve and so forth, jumped up to four cases predicament very quickly, from there, we got to a maximum level last week of ten cases pergp on maximum level last week of ten cases per gp on average. now, there has been some tempering in the last few days, think ligaments backed onto about six cases per gp, still very high, but we are beginning to see the shift turning in the community, which is where the transmission of this illness needs to be broken. and how close in your assessment is the average health care system to being overwhelmed by covid—19? average health care system to being overwhelmed by covid-19? well, i work as a gp in primary care. i think everybody is doing as well as they can, no care system in the world can withstand out—of—control covid if it's not brought under control commit i think the lockdown measures that were brought in here 12 days ago are being taken extremely seriously by the population. everybody is really reading the letter of the law on this. it's having a quick effect on hopefully breaking the chain of transmission. certainly the health services taking steps as well, the
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vaccinations have arrived come in they are rolling out as quickly as possible into nursing homes for our most fragile and susceptible patients. and also to our front line medical staff. they are also taking steps that as well to attempt to scale up capacity in the hospitals. they are looking to do, to take over private hospital bed capacity and help on the intensive care but capacity is well. appreciate you joining us. thank you very much indeed, with us from dublin. let's shift from ireland to germany. angela merkel told members of her conservative party that she is seriously concerned about the new covid—19 variant that is causing major problems in the uk — and that lockdown could be extended there for another 8—10 weeks. we've also heard today from dutch pm mark rutte, who has extended their lockdown for three weeks... they come under further pressure with the slow pace of vaccination compared to other large european countries. let's hear from compared to other large european countries. let's hearfrom the health minister translation: today, we are taking a new step in the fight against the virus,
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a step that we hope is decisive which will give us a glimpse of a way out of this crisis on the scale of the country in the planet. while researchers have kept all their premises and achieved a feat of finding a vaccine injust a premises and achieved a feat of finding a vaccine in just a few months, we have to deploy this vaccine and the best conditions possible. we are not playing by ear. a strategy was defined by the french health authority, which i remind you, is in independent body. that's the french health minister. we have also heard from the dutch prime minister. he has extended the dutch lockdown for three weeks. we are expecting to hear more from him this evening. anna, help us with the justification for this extension. well, it's actually still going on, as farasi well, it's actually still going on, as far as i can tell, this press conference, so about an hour and a half, he has been talking for. the numbers here in the netherlands are actually falling by an average 1500
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every day compared to last week. , two reasons they gave them a first of all, the numbers aren't quickly as they'd like. so still and average about 5500 new infections every day here. secondly, they are not sure by the implications of the british variance, or as he was calling it during the press conference, the english variant or the english nuisance. so they are looking about. basically, the hard lockdown, as they call it here, will last for another three weeks beyond the 19th of january when it another three weeks beyond the 19th ofjanuary when it was scheduled to end. a lockdown means different things in different places, in practical terms, what does it mean forjust don't act dutch families? basically, people are sitting around the kitchen table doing their home—schooling. so, schools are closed at the moment, all 90 central stores are closed, but actually, what i've been seeing on the streets here in the hague, lots of shops, delicatessens, florists, are finding ways around that. so they are
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serving customers from the outside. schools may actually reopen on the 20th of january. they schools may actually reopen on the 20th ofjanuary. they are still looking into that, and there is a possibility, if the numbers don't start dropping and taking the pressure off the hospitals, there could be even tougher restrictions put in place. so they are considering things like a curfew that hasn't been ruled out. so they are keeping an eye on the numbers, but there is intense pressure in the intensive care units, hospitals, generally, so, operations, standard operations and that's kind of thing are being put back. of course, here, in the last in the eu to roll out the vaccinations. they have only just started with those. so the health minister alsojoins just started with those. so the health minister also joins mark during this press conference. he said this was the beginning of the end, but urged people to keep following the rules. and here in the netherlands, that means stay at home, work from home if you can, wash your hands, practise good hygiene, and these measures will be in place until at least the 9th of february. thank you very much,
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that's anna in the hague. so we have erred from the netherlands, france, germany, ireland, we heard from the uk as well. further coverage of the pandemic of you can get that online to the bbc news avenue and the bc news website. now, we began talking about donald trump, so let's finish it talking about donald trump. these are pictures coming in from the alamo in texas. that is a very large border wall between the us and mexico. of course, when donald trump was running against hillary clinton back in 2016 when he first ran for president, building this wall was a big part of his promise to voters. the wall has not been completed, but some of it has been built. and as mr trump enters the last few days of his presidency, evidently, he wants to emphasise is what he sees as his legacy for the country, but of course come a whatever he wants to ask him about isn't so much the issue of immigration, it's about what's happened in the capital last wednesday, and how he sees his role in that event and what he's planning to do in the face of possible impeachment as well. swope
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we are possible impeachment as well. swope we a re interested possible impeachment as well. swope we are interested to hear more of what he says. the moment he starts speaking, you will see it here on the bbc. hello there. for many parts of the country, it was a colder but sunnier day today. the clearer, colder air pushed down across the eastern side of the uk, but out towards the west, we never really cleared away that cloud. and it's a battle at the moment, and indeed for the next few days, between that colder air and the milder air that's in the atlantic that's trying to push its way further into the uk. the boundary is that weather front, of course, and that's where we're seeing this thicker cloud and outbreaks of rain in northern ireland. that's going to develop in wales, the south west, push towards the midlands and across the west country and over the irish sea. ahead of it, there may well be more in the way of cloud, but it's not going to prevent a frost. it's going to be a cold night in scotland, northern and eastern parts of england. much milderfurther west, where we've got that cloud. in the morning, there's the risk of some freezing rain and ice
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across western scotland and the northwest of england, as that band of rain moves very slowly into scotland, into northern england and gets stuck across the midlands, towards the south east of england. it should turn a bit drier but stay cloudy in wales and the south west, and there's more rain to come into northern ireland. perhaps signs of some snow developing over the hills of scotland later in the day. certainly going to be cold enough in scotland and also pretty chilly across northern and eastern parts of england, but temperatures in double figures for northern ireland, much of wales and the south west, so quite a contrast across the uk. now, those weather fronts are moving in, but they're not moving very far, they're not racing right across the uk and they're not really pushing away that colder air from northern and eastern areas, so there will be some more sleet and snow falling overnight, mainly across the hills of scotland and into northern england by thursday. elsewhere, we're looking at rain. the rain should clear away from northern ireland and it should turn drier in western wales and the southwest of england, but quite strong winds here. but again, it will be mild, temperatures 11 degrees. much colder with that wintry weather in scotland and northern and eastern
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parts of england again. now, that wintry mix of rain, sleet and snow over the hills is going to slide away during thursday night and friday. looks drier before the next weather system arrives in the north west. not sure how much sunshine there will be on friday. we're probably with a lot of cloud and then the winds pick up in northern ireland and it turns rainy here. then we'll see that wet weather moving into western scotland, some snow over the high ground. still quite a chilly day. for many places, temperatures will be a bit lower on friday.
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iam ros i am ros atkins. welcome to outside source. president trump calls moves to impeach him absolutely ridiculous. asked if he bears any responsibility for the storming of the us capitol — he says his words were "totally appropriate". all this comes as democrats push for president trump to be removed from office immediately — or face a second impeachment. we want no violence, never violence, we want absolutely no violence. and on the impeachments, it's really a continuation of the greatest witchhunt in the history of politics. it's ridiculous. these are pictures coming in from alamo, a small border town in texas, where the president is going be visiting in the next few minutes. we
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will watch out for his arrival. a devastating report revealed that around 9,000 children died over eight decades, in more than a dozen so—called mother and baby homes in ireland in the 19th and 20th centuries. and uganda's opposition presidential candidate bobi wine says soldiers raided his home and arrested his security guards. ugandans are going to be voting in tuesday and we are going to be live the capital in a minute. donald trump's potential impeachment will be based on the accusation that he incited an insurrection last wednesday, in large part because of the speech he gave to a crowd of his supporters before they invaded the capitol building. while we heard earlier that publicly he regards that speech as entirely appropriate,
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this cbs news article says that he admitted to republican congressman kevin mccarthy that he, president trump, is at least partially to blame for what happened at the capitol last week. he also repeated entirely unsubstantiated claims that anti—fascist groups, rather than his own supporters, were responsible for the violence. let's speak to natalie brand from cbs news, who is life with us from washington. natalie, thank you for being with us on the bbc. tell me more about your storey about the president. good afternoon. cbs is reporting that in this conversation between president trump and the house minority leader, republican kevin mccarthy, a congressman here, the president did those two things you mentioned, both blamed antifa and also took partial responsibility for what happened at the capital last wednesday, the deadly riots in the assault on the capital that we saw. now, again, according to our reporting and sources, congressman
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mccarthy corrected the president and said it was a antifa, it was supporters of president trump —— it was not antifa. and that is clearly what the video and the evidence reveals if you look at the images, that it was overwhelmingly a group of trump supporters. according to this conversation, though, while the president was trying to blame another group, he did accept partial responsibility, but then, as you point out, we heard something com pletely point out, we heard something completely different in the president's brief comments to reporters this afternoon, before leaving for texas, when he took no responsibility, called his speech com pletely responsibility, called his speech completely appropriate. of course, house democrats say that that speech and other actions incited the insurrection here, and that will be the article of impeachment that gets a vote, or is expected to get a
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vote, as early as tomorrow. what happened when cbs called up kevin mccarthy asked him about this coachella kevin mcca rthy‘s about this coachella kevin mccarthy's been clear in his state m e nts mccarthy's been clear in his statements that there is a sense among republicans here that the president is partly responsible, and they have been trying to convey that to the president and also that is the sentiment among a number of republican lawmakers who are now trying to figure out how to deal with moving forward and potentially distancing themselves from the outgoing president, and also having to consider what the future of the republican party in the united states looks like. natalie, we appreciate the update. thank you very much indeed. natalie brand from cbs news. with washington, dc debating whether he should be allowed to finish his term as president,
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donald trump travelled to texas and, in fact, there he is. he had a small crowd who met him. he is headed to alamo, a small town on the border with mexico. he is due to speak there. charlie kolean, chairman of dallas young republicans and a local fundraiser for donald trump, joins me now. thank you for speaking to us on the bbc. thanks for having me, i appreciate it. mission you find rest for donald trump in the past. during my what happened last week, do you regret that? no, ithink my what happened last week, do you regret that? no, i think president trump did do good things for the country and i worked hard on his 2016 election, i worked on the reelection. august the thing the events wednesday are unfortunate, but when i was fundraising for him, none of that happened. but it has happened last week and he has done
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many of the things beforehand which pointed perhaps towards the fact that we would see political tensions of the nature we saw last week. did you never see something that felt like a warning sign?|j you never see something that felt like a warning sign? i do not think the events that happened on wednesday were planned by the president's team or anyone, i don't think anyone really could have calculated that a crowd would have made their way into the capital building and people would have been hurt and building and people would have been hurtand died building and people would have been hurt and died over the incident. suppose i was not suggesting it was planned by the president, i was more suggesting that if you create a political atmosphere you condemned the press as the enemy of the people, you condemned your political enemies and very strong terms, in the end, that is what you have consequences, isn't it?|j the end, that is what you have consequences, isn't it? i think it was the perfect candidate for 2016, because people wanted someone who would go against the press in a certain way and break the mainstream media almost and he wrote that all the way up until 2020, and u nfortu nately the way up until 2020, and unfortunately just was not the way up until 2020, and unfortunatelyjust was not enough to
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have him reelected. do you accept he lost? yeah cabaye except he lost, andi lost? yeah cabaye except he lost, and i think he president did too when he came out and made his statement after wednesday's events. he said he has filed every legal action he could come up into the last one, once the electoral college certifies it, it is over. that is initially different thing. he has excepted he cannot stop it, he has not excepted he has lost. he keeps coming out and say the lection has been stolen from him. 0k. coming out and say the lection has been stolen from him. ok. i accept he did lose, though, there so he can win. but do you regret the fact that he will notjust say out loud, joe biden won this election?” he will notjust say out loud, joe biden won this election? i think president trump is making a political calculation here that will give another path to come back in the —— into politics. if he goes with the stop the steel theme, if you we re the stop the steel theme, if you were to back out now, it would really hurt his reentry into politics. that is a very interesting point ultimate freight down the track he were to stand for election
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again, would you support him, would you fundraiser him again? going into 2024, i would want to see who else is running, and also see how the republican party does feel about donald trump. i think if you take into account what happened on wednesday, just picture the republican party like a venn diagram, between establishing republicans on one side and trump republicans on one side and trump republicans on one side and trump republicans on the other, i do think after wednesday's event, he lost a lot of people in the middle of that venn diagram. your answer that question as a political strategist andi question as a political strategist and i understand why you're doing that, but let me just ask you as an american, as a voter, was what happened last wednesday not disqualifying for you, did notjust ta ke disqualifying for you, did notjust take donald trump out of the equation for any possible future presidency? no, i think equation for any possible future presidency? no, ithink he is equation for any possible future presidency? no, i think he is still in the equation for any future presidency, but i think there are good the other voices coming up. i would love to see tucker carlson run
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for president. the fox news host? i think you would do a greatjob, i think you would do a greatjob, i think you would do a greatjob, i think you speak from the heart, and his ideas are clear and concise, he would probably make less unforced errors like donald trump did during his presidency. and let me just ask you before, the fact donald trump repeatedly says things which are not true, demonstrably are not true, is that not something which has caused you to have concern that perhaps that impacts on america's politics and the way that does not serve you orany and the way that does not serve you or any other americans coachella yeah, it is definitely unfortunate when either side does put forward untrue facts. but donald trump says things which are untrue more than most politicians. like i said, when both sides say things that are untrue, it is unfortunate for our country and plays out any discourse with a happened on wednesday, which ido with a happened on wednesday, which i do not think anyone would agree was appropriate or warranted. i do not think anyone would agree was appropriate or warrantedm just
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—— just why ——just why am —— just why am talking to you, we are seeing live pictures from the president in alamo. what you hope you'll say coachella i think what trump is going be covering is the fa ct trump is going be covering is the fact that he got 4050 miles of all built and that really started his campaign, the build the wall, i was there in 2016 —— 450. i think he is going to go down there and prove he did get stuff done, to remain his face that he was effective, but also with his impeachment going on, he is showing these congressmen that people still do like him and like what he did, so i think if you can make it through this week without being impeached, it is a good week for him. we appreciate you for joining us. thank you very much indeed. wejust joining us. thank you very much indeed. we just managed to joining us. thank you very much indeed. wejust managed to hear your final answer over billie jean. that must be playing at his event in alamo. let's look at those pictures. you can see the size of the section of the border wall, and there are the opening bars of billiejean
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playing, along with the american flag playing. we're not entirely sure of the timing of donald trump making a statement, but when he does, we will definitely show that to you on bbc world news or the bbc news channel, depending on where you're watching in the world. much more on the us election via the bbc news website, but we are going to stop talking about us politics and covid for the moment, and turned to an historical storey, an absolute tragedy in ireland. for much of the last century, so—called mother and baby homes in ireland took in unmarried pregnant women. many were run by the catholic church. today, a devastating report revealed that around 9,000 children died over eight decades, in more than a dozen homes. around 15% of all children born there. at one home in tuam in county galway, nearly 800 children died — and it's thought many of them are buried in a sewage system. our ireland correspondent chris page has been hearing the story of a man who was born there.
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the only thing that i can remember is the beds being wet. i'd march down to school, i had to go ten minutes late in the morning. you had to leave ten minutes early in the evening. we were all cornered off in a section of the playground by the nuns, so you wouldn't mix with the other kids. and then to be locked up in what i call a prison really and to think like why? just because i was born out of wedlock. pj spent his first seven years in the home which once stood here. ireland in the 19505 was a deeply conservative catholic society. unmarried women who were pregnant were taken into religious institutions and separated from their children. the fathers got away with us. it was always the woman that was to blame, it was always the woman's fault and i suppose when you look at other people, i was lucky i got to meet my mother. if i didn't meet her, i would be blaming herfor leaving me in there. there is another reason why pj thinks he is lucky. at the tuam home, nearly 800
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children aged up to three died between 1925 and 1961. investigators believe many were buried at the site in some kind of sewage system. when i go down there and stand there, to think that i could have been there too, a religious country like we're supposed to be would do the likes of that to helpless little baby. the irish government has committed to having this site excavated, so the children whose remains are beneath this ground can be reburied with some dignity. tuam is the mother and baby home that has generated the most international attention, but there are many other institutions in the republic of ireland with long histories of shame, neglect and unspeakable cruelty. the inquiry report says around 9,000 children died in the 18 homes which were investigated. that is about one in seven of those who were born in the institutions. investigators state it represents an appalling level
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of infant mortality. the irish government has said there were decades of brutality. the regime described in the report wasn't imposed on us by any foreign power. we did this to ourselves as a society. we treated women exceptionally badly. we treated children exceptionally badly. but pj thinks the report hasn't got to the full truth. there was nothing there today that would say, god, that's fantastic, my mother is being recognised or they're apologising to my mother and they didn't do that today. there will be a compensation scheme and a memorial, though history will still hurt in ireland for years to come. stay with us on outside source. inafew in a few minutes' time, we are going to focus on the south african covid
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variant, whether it is to plan for the country's rising cases and about the fresh measures being implement it. in indonesia, investigators have recovered one of the black boxes from the airliner which crashed on saturday. this was the moment it was brought in and displayed for the cameras. you can see it's being kept in water — that's something crash investigators do with black boxes recovered from the sea, it stops salt in the sea water damaging the device if it dries out. investigators have also recoved human remains and debris from the plane. and the whereabouts of debris suggests that it was intact when it hit the water. and it may have fallen 3,000 metres in less than a minute. callistasia wijaya from bbc indonesian is at the port injakarta. the search team has succeeded to retrieve one of two boxes underwater, on the fourth day, the search for the remaining sriwijaya aircraft, so they have succeeded to retrieve this flight
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data recorder which will be very crucial to solve the mystery of why the plane suddenly lost signal, and why it lost more than 10,000 feet of altitude just less than five minutes after take—off. officials say that they will download the data from this black box within two to five days. however, they have not succeeded to retrieve another black box, which is the cockpit voice recorder, which will also be very crucial to this investigation. the search team says that this black box, they have a part which sends signals about its whereabouts, has been separated from the body of the black box. that is why in the upcoming days, the search for this black box might be more challenging. but the team is sure that the location for this black box will not be too far away from the flight data recorder that they collected today.
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iam ros i am ros atkins with outside source. we're here in the bbc newsroom. our lead story is: president trump calls moves to impeach him absolutely ridiculous. and asked if he bears any responsibility for the storming of the us capitol, he says his speech was "totally appropriate". let's turn back to the pandemic, and south africa. cases in south africa are continuing to rise. it comes as those variants of the virus found in the country — such as the one we mentioned earlier in the programme — are proving to spread faster. since the start of the new year, 190,000 new cases have been reported in south africa. there's also been 4,600 deaths in 2021 so far. more than 15,000 south africans are currently in hospital,
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with approximately a third of these patients on oxygen support. president cyril ramaphosa has extended the current lockdown, and also closed the border. cabinet has decided that the 20 land ports of entry that are currently open will be closed until the 15th of february for general entry and departure. these include the sixth busiest border posts. south africa has probably the best insfrastructure and medical system on the whole continent of africa, so why has it been hit much worse than anywhere else? the bbc‘s hardtalk programme has bene speaking to the man who chair south africa's vaccine committee — professor barry schoub. for one thing, it is a more... because that facilitates people coming together in congregating environments and that facilitates the spread of the virus. and that's widespread, for example, in europe, much more so than south africa,
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in fact, particularly in your country, the united kingdom, much more so in south africa, because that kind of industrialised environment does promote the spread of the virus. and so south africa is a much more industrialised country than many of our neighbouring countries, that's one factor. the second factor is urbanisation. many of these countries are largely rural. rural environments where people are a lot more spread out in an outdoor environment probably also decreases the spread of the virus. many of the countries are, of course, tropical countries, a lot of sunlight, a lot of outdoors and so on, they are probably also decreases the spread of the virus. and probably also to a very significant extent is the degree of reporting. i think there is a significant amount of underreporting of cases, underreporting of mortality, in the countries to the north of us. we have a pretty good reporting system. not ideal, i agree, but certainly pretty good, and certainly much better than our neighbouring countries. let's
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move from south africa to east africa, not to talk about covid but to talk about ugandan politics. this is bobi wine, the ugandan pop star who's also a lead oppostion figure — you may remember he was beaten up in custody in 2018. the pictures were seen globally. he's calling on his supporters to turn out and vote in this week's ugandan election — despite weeks of political violence and the fact he's accused the government of raiding his home and arresting his security guards. here's uganda on the map — and this election is being closely followed across the region. one of the reasons why is what happened during a live interview bobi wine was doing with a kenyan radio station, when this happened. even when we voted, it was also... chatter i'm sorry. even right now, as we speak, we are being raided by the military. i have to end the interview because i can see soldiers beating my security guards... i have to go down and give it attention...
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right now? you do what you need to do, bobi, and stay safe, 0k? sure. 0k, brother, allthe best. that is bobi wine life on canyon radio saying he has to go because his security guards are being attacked by soldiers. —— live on ca nyon later in the morning, bobi wine held a news conference. my house was raided, two of my gardeners were taken away and my security guard was beaten very, very badly. we are therefore adding our voices together to call upon all of you fellow ugandans to turn up in large numbers and vote. ugandan police deny raiding bobi wine's home, though they say they did set up a blockade around the property for security purposes. and the context here is that dozens of people have died
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in political violence. here's more from catherine byruahanga in kampala. uganda's elections over the years have seen lots of violence, arrests and killings, but what has changed this time is really the scale of these attacks. bobi wine has been arrested on several occasions. so has another opposition leader, patrick amuriat oboi. bobi wine's home was raided, his guards taken. some of his guards have been previously arrested over the last few days and have actually been tried, or are being charged, in the military court. in the region of 18 million people are registered to vote in thursday's election. president yoweri museveni is seeking his sixth term — he's been ruling the country since 1986. his campaign tweeted this video with an animated version of president museveni dancing. this was his way of responding, apparently, to a social media challenge from ugandan youth. everything wasn't quite so upbeat elsewhere across the campaign, after facebook shut down accounts it says are linked to
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president museveni's government. in a statement, facebook said a network linked to the ugandan information ministry... the ugandan government responded by accusing facebook of trying to influence the election. on tuesday, it ordered a shut down of all social media platforms and messaging apps until further notice. journalist michael o'hagan is in kampala. all of that detail, michael, makes me imagine the atmosphere is reasonably tense, but tell me what the situation is like in kampala. yes, that is right, the atmosphere is increasingly tense. there is an increasing military presence in the city. today, convoys of newly purchased armoured personnel carriers were seen entering the city, and many people who are able to have left the city to go to the countryside, in anticipation of
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election —related violence, in addition, people, bobi wine, the opposition leader, has been largely stripped of his inner circle of supporters and there is this hiatus today, tomorrow, ahead of pulling on thursday, or people are just holding their breath, waiting to see what happens next. i noted the eu is not sending its international observers this time, but the african union is, but does the african union really ever stand up to mr museveni and his variety of human rights abuses? the african union has not been robust for setting up to human rights issues in eastern africa, primarily because uganda plays a secured role in the region. it contributes the bulk of the trips to the amazon peacekeeping mission in somalia and it is very strategic location near
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two war—torn south sudan and the eastern democratic republic of congo, which is ably unsettled area, so museveni carefully manipulates and uses strategic trends to limit criticism from fellow african leaders. is there any chance he could lose? it is very unlikely. there are a few commentators who imagine that the playing field is anything like level enough to allow president museveni, who has ruled for 35 years and who came to power under a rebel army, not for 35 years and who came to power undera rebelarmy, notan for 35 years and who came to power under a rebel army, not an election, to lose an election this time. michael, thank you very much indeed, thatis michael, thank you very much indeed, that is michael o'hagan joining michael, thank you very much indeed, that is michael o'haganjoining us live from kampala. we will bring you the result from that when it is clear, although most
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people ours acting —— architecting only one result. hello there. for many parts of the country, it was a colder but sunnier day today. the clearer, colder air pushed down across the eastern side of the uk, but out towards the west, we never really cleared away that cloud. and it's a battle at the moment, and indeed for the next few days, between that colder air and the milder air that's in the atlantic that's trying to push its way further into the uk. the boundary is that weather front, of course, and that's where we're seeing this thicker cloud and outbreaks of rain in northern ireland. that's going to develop in wales, the south west, push towards the midlands and across the west country and over the irish sea. ahead of it, there may well be more in the way of cloud, but it's not going to prevent a frost. it's going to be a cold night in scotland, northern and eastern parts of england.
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much milderfurther west, where we've got that cloud. in the morning, there's the risk of some freezing rain and ice across western scotland and the northwest of england, as that band of rain moves very slowly into scotland, into northern england and gets stuck across the midlands, towards the south east of england. it should turn a bit drier but stay cloudy in wales and the south west, and there's more rain to come into northern ireland. perhaps signs of some snow developing over the hills of scotland later in the day. certainly going to be cold enough in scotland and also pretty chilly across northern and eastern parts of england, but temperatures in double figures for northern ireland, much of wales and the south west, so quite a contrast across the uk. now, those weather fronts are moving in, but they're not moving very far, they're not racing right across the uk and they're not really pushing away that colder air from northern and eastern areas, so there will be some more sleet and snow falling overnight, mainly across the hills of scotland and into northern england by thursday. elsewhere, we're looking at rain. the rain should clear away from northern ireland and it should turn drier in western wales and the southwest of england, but quite strong winds here. but again, it will be mild, temperatures 11 degrees. much colder with that wintry weather in scotland and northern and eastern
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parts of england again. now, that wintry mix of rain, sleet and snow over the hills is going to slide away during thursday night and friday. looks drier before the next weather system arrives in the north west. not sure how much sunshine there will be on friday. we're probably with a lot of cloud and then the winds pick up in northern ireland and it turns rainy here. then we'll see that wet weather moving into western scotland, some snow over the high ground. still quite a chilly day. for many places, temperatures will be a bit lower on friday.
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the headlines at eight: police say they won't waste time reasoning with people who endanger others by breaching coronavirus restrictions and will fine them instead. the home secretary blames a rule breaking minority. if you do not play your part, our self as police officers who are out there risking their own lives every day to keep us safe... and i will back them to do so. as the number of dead continues to climb — the wife of a 55—year—old who died at christmas begs people to listen. he was 55 years of age. he was so young and we had so much still planned and
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