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tv   The Papers  BBC News  January 25, 2021 11:30pm-12:01am GMT

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hello, you're watching bbc news. our headlines this hour. the us house of representatives will shortly deliver a single article of impeachment to the senate, accusing donald trump of inciting the storming of the capitol. the move will trigger the first—ever impeachment trial of a former president. it's the first time a president has ever been impeached twice. president biden says he hopes to raise his target for vaccinations during his first 100 days in office to 150 million. he says the us should be well on the way to herd immunity by the summer. the italian prime minister is to tender his resignation on tuesday, in the hope of being able to form a new, stronger government. and chelsea has sacked their manager frank lampard, with the london club struggling in ninth place in the premier league. the former manager of p56, thomas tuchel, is favourite to take over.
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hello and welcome to our paper review. ijust want hello and welcome to our paper review. i just want to remind hello and welcome to our paper review. ijust want to remind you, we will be looking at our paper review in a moment, looking at international and national papers, but we will come out of the early two special coverage of the start of the impeachment trial in the senate. that is the only time a president would have been impeached twice and the first time a former president would have been impeached as waffles we will have our correspondence there and constitutional experts to take us through the process and we expect that to begin in about 15 minutes�* time, so we will cross
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direct to that when that starts before that, though, as i say, some of the national and international papers with katy balls, deputy political editor of the spectator, and the broadcaster daisy mcandrew. i'll come back to both of you. —— welcome back. the international edition of the financial times leads with moderna launching trials of a new vaccine to tackle the coronavirus strain that has emerged in south africa, after warning that its existing jab is less effective in fighting the variant. the times says the european union has told pfizer and other pharmaceutical companies that they must get its permission to export vaccine doses to britain amid concerns about the level of supply, while the daily telegraph says britain's covid vaccine supply is in jeopardy, after the eu threatened to block exports of the belgian—made pfizerjabs — as part of a row with the uk—based astrazeneca. the astrazeneca made with 0xford
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the astrazeneca made with oxford university. according to the guardian, borisjohnson is expected to sign off sweeping new quarantine rules for travellers entering the uk. that's a meeting tomorrow. the i says those travellers will face restriction in an attempt to stop new variants spreading, although the i adds that the uk government is split over extent of border closures. the gulf news highlights a un report on its front page, reflecting on the toll of the pandemic, estimating it's wiped out 255 million jobs around the world. the uk daily mirror says the majority of children in the uk want to go back to school, as lockdown is affecting their mental health and future hopes. and the sun says a holiday abroad for brits looks a long way off at the moment. looks like it is bogner again, dear, an old joke about bognor regis, if
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viewers don't know where it is, it is on the coast. let's kick off. daisy, do you want to start us off with the times? warn us before jabs go to britain, eu tells pfizer. we are getting into ugly times. you can see wh , are getting into ugly times. you can see why, because _ are getting into ugly times. you can see why, because vaccines - are getting into ugly times. you can see why, because vaccines are - are getting into ugly times. you can see why, because vaccines are the i see why, because vaccines are the great hope out of the pandemic. summoning of the scientists, the manufacturers and politicians are talking about it being a race between the human race and the mutations of the virus, so as we struggle to get as many people immunity, eitherfrom having the virus orfrom a immunity, eitherfrom having the virus or from a vaccine, we are racing against the vaccine, —— against the virus, which is mutating, and we know that is the case, so lots and stories about that race come about the politicisation of it and many politicians being held up as a failure or a success on
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how well they are buying the vaccine, if they are by the right vaccine, if they are by the right vaccine, if they are by the right vaccine, if that vaccine works, how many people to get vaccinated, either voluntarily or because the systems are up for it. when you look across different countries, many different communities do have concerns about the vaccine, which is one of my concerns, because the stories we read about whether vaccines are working or not, but they can tackle mutations, sometimes they can tackle mutations, sometimes the more cynicism or mistrust or just fear there is about the vaccine, you might get a lower uptake, and if globally we do not get above 50% uptake of vaccines, the virus will continue to mutate. katy, pfizersaid the virus will continue to mutate. katy, pfizer said they would be a dip in supplies because i think refurbishment of the various factories, i think it is in belgium were ours is coming from. what is behind the astrazeneca announcement
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it is unable to provide the number they had been contracted to do? i think the pfizer one, as you say, was about— think the pfizer one, as you say, was about manufacturing. and importantly, they were ultimately saying. _ importantly, they were ultimately saying, we will all get the same amount, — saying, we will all get the same amount, it _ saying, we will all get the same amount, it isjust fluctuation of that time — amount, it isjust fluctuation of that time period, it isjust go to be more — that time period, it isjust go to be more sporadic. oxford — astrazeneca, the concern the you had is they— astrazeneca, the concern the you had is they were _ astrazeneca, the concern the you had is they were getting substantially less, _ is they were getting substantially less. in— is they were getting substantially less, in the contract, but they have struggled _ less, in the contract, but they have struggled tojoin the less, in the contract, but they have struggled to join the dots less, in the contract, but they have struggled tojoin the dots because it did _ struggled tojoin the dots because it did not — struggled tojoin the dots because it did not appear the uk supply wasm — it did not appear the uk supply was... they pointed to manufacturing, and the eu, manufacturing, and the eu, manufacturing, but clearly the frustration is the eu is struggling with the — frustration is the eu is struggling with the vaccination programme and also because the uk is much more self—sufficient on the oxford astrazeneca vaccine. it was unaffected, so i think that has
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added — unaffected, so i think that has added now, and you're seeing this, warn _ added now, and you're seeing this, warn us _ added now, and you're seeing this, warn us before jabs go to britain. it is warn us before jabs go to britain. it is making — warn us before jabs go to britain. it is making it harder. pfizer will affect _ it is making it harder. pfizer will affect us, — it is making it harder. pfizer will affect us, because we already have a way of _ affect us, because we already have a way of getting astrazeneca in the uk. , , ., �* way of getting astrazeneca in the uk. daisy, we don't know how many “abs have uk. daisy, we don't know how many jabs have actually _ uk. daisy, we don't know how many jabs have actually been _ uk. daisy, we don't know how many jabs have actually been ordered, - uk. daisy, we don't know how many jabs have actually been ordered, or| jabs have actually been ordered, or the precise timetable of when they're going to be delivered, do we? ., , , ., , ., they're going to be delivered, do we? ., , , we? know, it seems to be a state secret, we? know, it seems to be a state secret. and _ we? know, it seems to be a state secret, and there _ we? know, it seems to be a state secret, and there is _ we? know, it seems to be a state secret, and there is an _ we? know, it seems to be a state secret, and there is an awful - we? know, it seems to be a state secret, and there is an awful lot l we? know, it seems to be a state| secret, and there is an awful lot of frustration, because the moment we have transparency, we have distress. the lesson we are chatting an hour ago, there are big security issues around the vaccine, and if you talk to people behind the scenes, this is something that is a great concern. there is already in a legal criminal black market of vaccines, and so it is natural that the amount and how it is being transported and when it
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arrives, all these things do have to be secret, but it is not something you politicians can discuss publicly, but i know there are many criminal gangs going around, try to find vaccines, trying to steal it and sell it on black markets, and thatis and sell it on black markets, and that is making the politicians job much of her difficult, plus the fact there is a rumour mill around various deals, individual governments have made, who have the germans —— have the germans paid more, have the israelis paid more? our developing nations being 0ur developing nations being completely left to their own devices and therefore going to have an uncontrollable pandemic? which will impact us all. and then you have got the story and tomorrow's newspaper in germany, suggesting the astrazeneca vaccine in the over 60 fives, the most crucial demographic, might be as little as 8% efficacy, astrazeneca have come out strongly
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tonight, dismissing that story, but all of these issues are reveling around and making thejob ofjust getting the vaccine out, making sure it can cope with all these mutations even harder. it can cope with all these mutations even harder-— even harder. yeah, katy, let's go into the international _ even harder. yeah, katy, let's go into the international ft, - even harder. yeah, katy, let's go into the international ft, another vaccine story, this time about moderna launching new vaccine trials to do with the new variant. this is the danger, isn't it? we know of the new variance now which seem to have stronger transmission and can be more lethal as well. who knows how many more are going to evolve over the next six months or so? yes. many more are going to evolve over the next six months or so? yes, and i think the next six months or so? yes, and i think this — the next six months or so? yes, and i think this has — the next six months or so? yes, and i think this has been _ the next six months or so? yes, and i think this has been the _ the next six months or so? yes, and i think this has been the twist - the next six months or so? yes, and i think this has been the twist as - i think this has been the twist as we have — i think this has been the twist as we have gone into the new year, you think— we have gone into the new year, you think voute — we have gone into the new year, you think you're in this straight finish where _ think you're in this straight finish where you — think you're in this straight finish where you get into spring and you vaccine _ where you get into spring and you vaccine x — where you get into spring and you vaccine x number of people, you are much _ vaccine x number of people, you are much iletter— vaccine x number of people, you are much better for that is still the case, _ much better for that is still the case, but — much better for that is still the case, but the new comp location is that your— case, but the new comp location is that your number of new mutations and strange which are causing governments all over the world
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concern — governments all over the world concern. the big concern is one of these _ concern. the big concern is one of these strains will evade the vaccine and therefore you might have to start _ and therefore you might have to start not — and therefore you might have to start not from square one, but get more _ start not from square one, but get more vaccines for the vulnerable, and this— more vaccines for the vulnerable, and this can — more vaccines for the vulnerable, and this can be a continual year on year, _ and this can be a continual year on year. as— and this can be a continual year on year. as you — and this can be a continual year on year, as you adapt to new strains. it is year, as you adapt to new strains. it is the _ year, as you adapt to new strains. it is the south african strain that worries— it is the south african strain that worries the uk government the most, and moderna have found that, yes, there _ and moderna have found that, yes, there vaccine can be used on this south _ there vaccine can be used on this south african strain, but it is not as effective, so what they are doing is going _ as effective, so what they are doing is going back and looking at how you can reconfigure the vaccine to be more _ can reconfigure the vaccine to be more effective against the south african _ more effective against the south african strain. of the south african strain, _ african strain. of the south african strain, thick— african strain. of the south african strain, thick we have met hancock said 77_ strain, thick we have met hancock said 77 confirmed cases in the uk, they are _ said 77 confirmed cases in the uk, they are tracking them, but i think this points — they are tracking them, but i think this points here, as we see more stories— this points here, as we see more stories on— this points here, as we see more stories on border controls, why we are seeing — stories on border controls, why we are seeing stores on tightening because — are seeing stores on tightening because they're worried someone like this could _ because they're worried someone like this could undo this max vaccine roll-out — this could undo this max vaccine roll-out. ,, ., ., ., ~' this could undo this max vaccine roll-out. ,, ., ., ,
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roll-out. should look at the gulf news? quite — roll-out. should look at the gulf news? quite a _ roll-out. should look at the gulf news? quite a busy _ roll-out. should look at the gulf news? quite a busy front - roll-out. should look at the gulf news? quite a busy front page! | roll-out. should look at the gulf l news? quite a busy front page! in the top corner, 255 million jobs wiped out leicester due to pandemic, a quarter of a millionjobs wiped out leicester due to pandemic, a quarter of a million jobs and wiped out leicester due to pandemic, a quarter of a millionjobs and we are not even through a —— last year. and what we do not know was how many of those jobs will come back. you of those “obs will come back. you can look of those jobs will come back. you can look at _ of those jobs will come back. you can look at certain _ of those jobs will come back. gm. can look at certain industries and see that, hopefully, airlines, travel, hospitality, they will come back, but how long we're going to be the formal lockdown, as katy was just saying, as all these new those jobs are waiting to come back. then there somejobs those jobs are waiting to come back. then there some jobs that are never going to come back, because as most economists will tell you, what covid has done is accelerated what was going to happen anyway — in other words, more to do
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—— or digitalisation. we are the perfect illustration of that. katy and i have not come to the studios, we have not used taxis to get to the studio, so you can see every single thing we do know might have an impact onjobs, and wejust thing we do know might have an impact on jobs, and we just will not know how many of those jobs will come back. many people talked before covid about this fourth industrial revolution, where and i robotics, technology, would take the place of jobs, but nobody knew it would happen so fast and so we cannot tell where the re—skilling, the newjobs will come from, and how many there will come from, and how many there will be. it will come from, and how many there will be. , . . ., will be. it is much nicer having both in the _ will be. it is much nicer having both in the studio! _ will be. it is much nicer having both in the studio! just - will be. it is much nicer having both in the studio! just on - will be. it is much nicer having both in the studio! just on the | both in the studio! just on the joblessness, some figures on this, we are 4.9%, uk on implement rate,
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so in every country doing badly. —— unemployment rate. so in every country doing badly. -- unemployment rate.— unemployment rate. there is a big ruestion unemployment rate. there is a big question about, _ unemployment rate. there is a big question about, when _ unemployment rate. there is a big question about, when do - unemployment rate. there is a big question about, when do we - unemployment rate. there is a big | question about, when do we peak? unemployment rate. there is a big - question about, when do we peak? you hear different answers, and clearly furlough _ hear different answers, and clearly furlough being extended, the first cliff edge moved, but ultimately, i think— cliff edge moved, but ultimately, i think there's a sense we have not -ot think there's a sense we have not got there — think there's a sense we have not got there yet and when we do, what is thisib _ got there yet and when we do, what is thislb want to look like? if we are at— is thislb want to look like? if we are at a — is thislb want to look like? if we are at a point where the government is still— are at a point where the government is still comfortable with some industries continuing or, as daisy has touched on, some no longer existing? — has touched on, some no longer existing? is— has touched on, some no longer existing? is there gonna be government support into the second half of— government support into the second half of the _ government support into the second half of the year? i think there are lots of— half of the year? i think there are lots of questions when it comes to getting _ lots of questions when it comes to getting back to what you might call normal, _ getting back to what you might call normal, even it looks differently, as to _ normal, even it looks differently, as to hell — normal, even it looks differently, as to hell and the government is really— as to hell and the government is really going to prop up things. i will point — really going to prop up things. i will point you say, we have done the vaccine _ will point you say, we have done the vaccine roll—out, we have done this, we stilt— vaccine roll—out, we have done this, we still are — vaccine roll—out, we have done this, we still are not permitting this, we cannot— we still are not permitting this, we cannot continue.— cannot continue. let's go on to the guardian of— cannot continue. let's go on to the guardian of the _ cannot continue. let's go on to the guardian of the daisy. _
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cannot continue. let's go on to the guardian of the daisy. pm - cannot continue. let's go on to the guardian of the daisy. pm to - cannot continue. let's go on to the i guardian of the daisy. pm to impose airport quarantine despite pressure to ease lockdown for subduing a witch corn team? is it quarantined late or quarantine heavy? what witch corn team? is it quarantined late or quarantine heavy? what we do know is there — late or quarantine heavy? what we do know is there is _ late or quarantine heavy? what we do know is there is is _ late or quarantine heavy? what we do know is there is is going _ late or quarantine heavy? what we do know is there is is going to _ late or quarantine heavy? what we do know is there is is going to be - late or quarantine heavy? what we do know is there is is going to be a - know is there is is going to be a meeting to discuss this, a cabinet meeting to discuss this, a cabinet meeting tomorrow, and we know that certain cabinet members are pushing for quarantine big and some are pushing for a lecture one, and many will say this is like shutting the stable door after the horse bolted. why were we not closing a long time ago? putting that to one side, this is because of all we have been talking about all evening, the new variants, they are popping up all over the world, that we need to close our borders to them to make sure that we can continue with our vaccination programme as fast as we can without the new variance. there are some optimism, some good signs. it does look like a lockdown is working as far as getting down the
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number of infections, but because we have suffered at the hands of our tent variant, which is more transmissible and seemingly more deadly or made damaging, yes there are some good figures, but also for thousand people on ventilators, more than ever before —— are kent variant. that is because of the severity of this strain, so you can see why there is a huge amount of pressure to shut down, bring those porters down, to close them down. whether or not it will work and how long coming back tojobs, come back to the economy, that will take for those porters to be lifted, who knows? �* , . . knows? australia did it successfully, _ knows? australia did it successfully, didn't - knows? australia did it i successfully, didn't they, knows? australia did it - successfully, didn't they, aside from, katy, melbourne? the question is going to be, how many hotel rooms are available if they bring this in? a lot of them have been mothballed.
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yes, and you have seen that in australia, _ yes, and you have seen that in australia, this policy has created a bottleneck. if you're an australian, you cannot — bottleneck. if you're an australian, you cannot leave the country now. not saying — you cannot leave the country now. not saying that is what is going to happen— not saying that is what is going to happen here, but you have to get permission — happen here, but you have to get permission to leave in australia and come _ permission to leave in australia and come back — permission to leave in australia and come back. you need to get a slot and it— come back. you need to get a slot and it is— come back. you need to get a slot and it is very— come back. you need to get a slot and it is very hard to get a flight to australia not because they are very limited places. you have to take _ very limited places. you have to take certain boxes as well —— take certain— take certain boxes as well —— take certain boxes. i think what it points— certain boxes. i think what it points to _ certain boxes. i think what it points to is the fact that we have limited _ points to is the fact that we have limited space and it doesn't slow down _ limited space and it doesn't slow down travel, it makes it much harder, — down travel, it makes it much harder, it _ down travel, it makes it much harder, it makes it much more expensive, _ harder, it makes it much more expensive, it potentially mean people — expensive, it potentially mean people who can afford the hotels are the ones _ people who can afford the hotels are the ones going on holidays, but there's— the ones going on holidays, but there's a — the ones going on holidays, but there's a question about who wouidm _ there's a question about who would... what type of travellers are going _ would... what type of travellers are going to _ would... what type of travellers are going to want to go away? you would have to _ going to want to go away? you would have to be _ going to want to go away? you would have to be pretty committed, dedicated, have a pretty good reason to -o dedicated, have a pretty good reason to go at— dedicated, have a pretty good reason to go at that point. if dedicated, have a pretty good reason to go at that point.— to go at that point. if you are a
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film star or _ to go at that point. if you are a film star or celebrity, - to go at that point. if you are a film star or celebrity, daisy, i to go at that point. if you are a | film star or celebrity, daisy, the australian correnti does not apply! 0r australian correnti does not apply! or a tennis player —— australian quarantine. but what you bring out there is a huge amount of resentment that so many of these policies, as they are beginning to almost become normal, you get the haves and the have—nots and you can see those who cannot afford to buy their way around the rules or by the way through the rules —— who can afford. i know people who are working in dubai at the moment, who clearly have absolutely no work out there at all, but they have the money, they are out there and they are getting around the rules, and if this continues for a very long time, the resentment people saying, if it is good enough for them, it is good enough for me, start to break the rules, the whole thing will unravel. 0k, finally, let's go on to the express, the tablet here, katy. this
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is picking up on what men had —— what matt hancock had to safest up —— had to say. normally trumpeting the matt hancock line. no option but to hold our nerve. taste the matt hancock line. no option but to hold our nerve.— to hold our nerve. we saw this press conference — to hold our nerve. we saw this press conference from _ to hold our nerve. we saw this press conference from matt _ to hold our nerve. we saw this press conference from matt hancock, - to hold our nerve. we saw this press conference from matt hancock, they| conference from matt hancock, they could _ conference from matt hancock, they could not— conference from matt hancock, they could not give specifics on timings. they are _ could not give specifics on timings. they are not going to get to the point _ they are not going to get to the point where we are talking but we were _ point where we are talking but we were going to ease lockdown. matt hancock _ were going to ease lockdown. matt hancock did not want to go anywhere near dates~ _ hancock did not want to go anywhere near dates. instead he offered printable — near dates. instead he offered printable and said, we need to look at the _ printable and said, we need to look at the vaccine roll—out but we also had to _ at the vaccine roll—out but we also had to look— at the vaccine roll—out but we also had to look at the number of deaths. he did _ touch on the infection rate, because people _ touch on the infection rate, because people were saying, it is going down — people were saying, it is going down, that seems to be a strong guide _ down, that seems to be a strong guide one — down, that seems to be a strong guide. one of the things is a comes to the _ guide. one of the things is a comes to the government approach, under
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promise _ to the government approach, under promise and over deliver, because in the past, _ promise and over deliver, because in the past, they have been accused of overpromising and under delivering, involve _ overpromising and under delivering, involve there were lots of different variables _ involve there were lots of different variables and it is hard to put a time _ variables and it is hard to put a time on — variables and it is hard to put a time on things, they would rather be on the _ time on things, they would rather be on the pessimistic side right now and hopefully actually have a few surprises. — and hopefully actually have a few surprises, because for all the bad news _ surprises, because for all the bad news and — surprises, because for all the bad news and the horrific figures in terms — news and the horrific figures in terms of— news and the horrific figures in terms of the death toll, there is still very— terms of the death toll, there is still very good news in that vaccine roii-out, _ still very good news in that vaccine roll—out, and i think it looks as though. — roll—out, and i think it looks as though, barring some of these deliberations, we could exceed that target _ deliberations, we could exceed that target next month. has deliberations, we could exceed that target next month.— deliberations, we could exceed that target next month. has that promise, orthat target next month. has that promise, or that decision, _ target next month. has that promise, or that decision, to _ target next month. has that promise, or that decision, to under _ target next month. has that promise, or that decision, to under promise - or that decision, to under promise and under deliver got through to the prime minister, daisy? he and under deliver got through to the prime minister, daisy?— prime minister, daisy? he is, as we all know, prime minister, daisy? he is, as we all know. the _ prime minister, daisy? he is, as we all know, the most _ prime minister, daisy? he is, as we all know, the most tiggerish - prime minister, daisy? he is, as we all know, the most tiggerish of - prime minister, daisy? he is, as wel all know, the most tiggerish of them all, but i thing the penny has dropped. the government has got the message for study problem is, at the moment, you're not comparing like with like, when we look back. eight a few weeks ago, it was known if we
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vaccinate all the over 80s, you would reduce the death something like 90%. that is not the case anymore because the variant keeps changing the rules and the hospitals are much fuller with younger, many more younger patients than they did six or seven months ago, and as we look forward, and we were all thinking once the vulnerable have all been vaccinated about life could go back to normal, but we were not taking into consideration more mutations, more variance will mean that people who have not been vaccinated are still vulnerable, more vulnerable than they would have been a few months ago, see you can see that light at the end of the tunnel getting dimmer and dimmer rather than brighter and brighter, so it is not... it is very difficult situation for some women talking to the schools open, and that date keeps —— we have been talking about when the schools open. that date keeps moving back and back, which is depressing for a lot of kids and
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parents. depressing for a lot of kids and arents. _ ., ., , ., , depressing for a lot of kids and arents. _ ., ., , . parents. daisy and katy, really nice to have you — parents. daisy and katy, really nice to have you both _ parents. daisy and katy, really nice to have you both on. _ parents. daisy and katy, really nice to have you both on. i— parents. daisy and katy, really nice to have you both on. i will- parents. daisy and katy, really nice to have you both on. i will be - to have you both on. i will be checking out if you have got essential work in dubai, both of you, in the next few weeks, but thank you very much indeed for taking us through those papers for a second time. now on bbc news, we are going to take you to washington for special coverage of the start of donald trump's impeachment trial in the us senate. democrats in the us house of representatives will, in just a few minutes' time, deliver a single impeachment charge against donald trump to the senate. it accuses him of inciting insurrection when his supporters stormed congress earlier this month. the trial won't begin in earnest until february 9, to allow president biden to focus on his agenda and mr trump to prepare a defence.
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i'm joined by our correspondent barbara plett usher at capitol hill. we're just seeing life from where you are now, barbara. is everything going according to schedule, because i think we were looking at this being walked ceremonially across to the senate in a few minutes' time? is that still on track? i the senate in a few minutes' time? is that still on track?— is that still on track? i think so, tim. is that still on track? i think so, tim- they're — is that still on track? i think so, tim. they're expected - is that still on track? i think so, tim. they're expected to - is that still on track? i think so, tim. they're expected to be - is that still on track? i think so, - tim. they're expected to be moving very shortly, and i expect that that will be happening in about five minutes or so from the house of representatives, across the capital building to the senate itself, and once they are there, then they will read the article of impeachment, and that will be the end of this quite short ceremonial procession in the —— and the emphasis is on ceremony, because this is a symbolic start to
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the try. normally the senate would be sitting day in, day out until he finished, but they have negotiated this two week pause, and so the trial will start the week of february eight. what we will have tomorrow is the swearing in of the impeachment managers, the lawmakers who have been assigned to be the prosecutors, the democrats, in this trial, so we will have the formalities today and tomorrow, and then the substance will be beginning then the substance will be beginning the week of february eight. barbara, we've been speaking _ the week of february eight. barbara, we've been speaking over _ the week of february eight. barbara, we've been speaking over the - the week of february eight. barbara, we've been speaking over the past i we've been speaking over the past few hours, and what is so interesting, as we were saying a little earlier, actually, the people who will be deciding on this impeachment are actually people who witnessed the events of january six. yes, which is something new for an impeachment trial. they're going to be thejurors, of impeachment trial. they're going to be the jurors, of course, but they are also the witnesses, because they
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were in the capital building when it was attacked, and the impeachment article is very much about that charge, about the president inciting violence against the government and all of the senators were present to witness that violence, to feel the effects of it, and there were a couple of hours on capitol hill in which many of them were actually quite afraid about what would happen. we know that from the video that we have seen at the testimony that we have seen at the testimony that has come through since then, the protesters, the rioters, whatever you want to call them, walked to the houses of congress calling out names of some of the lawmakers, wanting to punish them, they felt, for their antitrust stance, as they saw it, so there was very much a sense of their well—being maybe even their lives be under threat —— anti—trump for there was tight security after the inauguration, some national guard members being kept in the capital at
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least until march, at least partly to provide security will the trial is going on because in the online messaging of right—wing extremists, there are threats against lawmakers who are participating in the trial. it is hard to know how serious they are, but they have devolved into concrete plans, but after what happened onjanuary concrete plans, but after what happened on january six, concrete plans, but after what happened onjanuary six, the security services are not taking any chances. a . security services are not taking any chances. 1, ., , security services are not taking any chances. ., , , , chances. barbara, “ust stay with us as we are looking _ chances. barbara, just stay with us as we are looking at _ chances. barbara, just stay with us as we are looking at these - chances. barbara, just stay with us| as we are looking at these pictures. i want to bring in kimberly wehle, a law professor illegal in list at the university of baltimore for —— legal analyst. no president has been impeached twice, note former president bush is this constitutional?- president bush is this constitutional? ., , constitutional? there have been officials -- _ constitutional? there have been officials -- no —
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constitutional? there have been officials -- no former— constitutional? there have been officials -- no former president. officials —— no former president. there _ officials —— no former president. there is— officials —— no former president. there is precedent. if there is, otherwise. _ there is precedent. if there is, otherwise, once someone was impeached, they could simply resign and bypass the actual trial, and any punishment, because in this moment, donald _ punishment, because in this moment, donald trump is no longer president, so he _ donald trump is no longer president, so he cannot— donald trump is no longer president, so he cannot be removed, but the constitution does allow for a prohibition on holding public office going _ prohibition on holding public office going forward and many people believe — going forward and many people believe that is very important to keep— believe that is very important to keep him — believe that is very important to keep him out of governments in 2024, in the _ keep him out of governments in 2024, in the white _ keep him out of governments in 2024, in the white house, and then across the board _ in the white house, and then across the board in— in the white house, and then across the board in any other position where — the board in any other position where he — the board in any other position where he wields the power of the people _ where he wields the power of the eo - le. ., , ., where he wields the power of the ”eole. ., ., where he wields the power of the --eole. ., ., ., people. forgive me, so two former presidents have _ people. forgive me, so two former presidents have been _ people. forgive me, so two former| presidents have been impeached... not presidents. 0ne presidents have been impeached... not presidents. one was a member of the cabinet _ not presidents. one was a member of the cabinet and one may have been a judge _ the cabinet and one may have been a judge. impeachment is notjust for presidents, impeachment, the impeachment clauses, it applies to any senate confirmed position, those
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people _ any senate confirmed position, those people can _ any senate confirmed position, those people can be impeached. if you recall. _ people can be impeached. if you recall, during the robert mueller investigation, there was a call from the senate — investigation, there was a call from the senate republicans and articles of impeachment draughted against former— of impeachment draughted against former deputy attorney general rod rosenstein, for his actions in appointing robert mueller, so impeachment is notjust for presidents, that isjust when impeachment is notjust for presidents, that is just when they -et presidents, that is just when they get the _ presidents, that is just when they get the most profile, but historically there is precedent, under— historically there is precedent, under the _ historically there is precedent, under the concept of impeachment, for impeaching people after they have left office, so i do not think it is a _ have left office, so i do not think it is a strong argument that it is unconstitutional, i think it is a distraction _ unconstitutional, i think it is a distraction from the facts, which are surely— distraction from the facts, which are surely compelling and very serious — are surely compelling and very serious against mr trump and, frankly, — serious against mr trump and, frankly, in— serious against mr trump and, frankly, in terms of the threat to the american democracy, it is very important — the american democracy, it is very important for the constitution that this process unfold, in my view. i�*m this process unfold, in my view. i'm auoin to this process unfold, in my view. going to come this process unfold, in my view. i“n going to come onto that in a moment. please stay with us. barbara, will there be witnesses called, do we
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know? , , ., ,, ., know? just before i speak about that, to talk _ know? just before i speak about that, to talk a _ know? just before i speak about that, to talk a little _ know? just before i speak about that, to talk a little bit - know? just before i speak about that, to talk a little bit about. that, to talk a little bit about what you're seeing on the screen, what you're seeing on the screen, what you're seeing right now is the senate, which is where the procession is going to and up, there've also been pictures just before this of the statutory hall, through which the profession will march, and you've also been seeing that picture of the door with the metal detector in front of it, that is the door to the house of representatives, from where the legislators will come from or the procession is going to start. we been seeing pictures... that is where the procession will start. the pictures you're seeing is the route they will take. we do not really know yet, tim, how the trail is good to play out. certainly, in the first impeachment trial, which as you know was about trump using his powers of office to pressure a foreign government, the ukrainians come to investigate a political opponent, which was joe investigate a political opponent, which wasjoe biden and his son hunter, there was a lot of pretrial
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activity, witnesses called, witnesses heard, briefs drawn up. that stretched over several months. that stretched over several months. that is not happening. this is moving quite quickly towards a trial, and the democrats say it is based on a concrete event that everybody could witness and about which there is quite a lot of documentation, and so they do not need to do all that pretrial work. in terms of the trail itself, we will have to wait and see how they proceed. 0ne will have to wait and see how they proceed. one would assume there would be witnesses, but we have not got any details about that just yet. some of the thing senators have said they will be looking for is, for his ample, when mrtrump they will be looking for is, for his ample, when mr trump gave his speech and he called on his to march on the capital, how much information did he haven't had time, how much intelligence did he have about who was present and what their plans were? they will also be looking at his activities or his what he did once the capital sieges started. all
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those reports are that he watched it on television thought it was kind of cool to watch it and did not actually call for in and to the violence when he should have? that is another thing, and thirdly, tim, they will also be i am sure looking at the statements made by some... and i think we are now beginning to see the procession starts. itrefoil see the procession starts. well done, barbara. _ see the procession starts. well done, barbara. just _ see the procession starts. well done, barbara. just talk - see the procession starts. well done, barbara. just talk us through. this is the start come as you say, did ceremonial procession for some some of the characters there. democrat from maryland is going to be the lead impeachment manager. and presumably he is the one announcing the terms of the one announcing the terms of the impeachment to the senate.
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