reports are that he watched it those reports are that he watched it on television thought it was kind of cool to watch it and did not actually call for in and to the violence when he should have? that is another thing, and thirdly, tim, they will also be i am sure looking at the statements made by some... and i think we are now beginning to see the procession starts. ihell see the procession starts. well done, barbara. _ see the procession starts. well done, barbara. just _ see the procession starts. well done, barbara. just talk - see the procession starts. well done, barbara. just talk us through. this is the start come as you say, did ceremonial procession for some some of the characters there. democrat from maryland is going to be the lead impeachment manager. and presumably he is the one announcing the terms of the one announcing the terms of the impeachment to the senate.

the procession you're seeing now is led by the sergeant in arms and the house clerk. jamie raskin close behind. as well as the other impeachment managers who will serve as prosecuted. yes, he is the one who will be reading the impeachment articles once they get to the senate. �* ., ,,., �* ., senate. and professor, i'm not sure if you _ senate. and professor, i'm not sure if you can _ senate. and professor, i'm not sure if you can watch _ senate. and professor, i'm not sure if you can watch this - senate. and professor, i'm not sure if you can watch this as i sure if you can watch this as well where you are. we are speaking to you from home. you were talking about the importance of this first us democracy. but there are some of course who say that this might actually make politics even more toxic at a moment when there is such a great division. when there is such a great division-— division. yes. i hear that argument _ division. yes. i hear that argument but _ division. yes. i hear that argument but it's - division. yes. i hear that argument but it's reallyl division. yes. i hear that - argument but it's really hard i think— argument but it's really hard i think it — argument but it's really hard i think it to— argument but it's really hard i think it to swallow given that the evidence was clear as a belt — the evidence was clear as a bell. after november four that joe biden won the election and there _ joe biden won the election and there weren't many members of there weren't many members of the republican caucus that

insisted based on zero evidence. that's the division that— evidence. that's the division that led _ evidence. that's the division that led to january sex. it wasn't _ that led to january sex. it wasn'tjust that mr trump wasn't just that mr trump didnt— wasn'tjust that mr trump didn't call for the end of violence but i live right outside washington and have seen — outside washington and have seen many protests. and to watch — seen many protests. and to watch on — seen many protests. and to watch on television hours go by, hours _ watch on television hours go by, hours go by without a serious _ by, hours go by without a serious police presence was just— serious police presence was just stunning. because even on a regular— just stunning. because even on a regular day the security at the capital is quite tight. there's— the capital is quite tight. there's a lot of questions as to how— there's a lot of questions as to howjanuary six happened under— to howjanuary six happened under donald trump to watch. and whether he was complicit, how much— and whether he was complicit, how much he was complicit in. because — how much he was complicit in. because it _ how much he was complicit in. because it was such a spectacular breakdown of security with the united states congress crouching under their chairs, — congress crouching under their chairs, hoping to make it through— chairs, hoping to make it through the evening with their lives — through the evening with their iives its— through the evening with their lives. it's really astonishing. so given— lives. it's really astonishing. so given what happened, this is not something that can be shrugged off as in the past, iet's— shrugged off as in the past, let's move forward without some kind of— let's move forward without some kind of accountability. i would

suggest — kind of accountability. i would suggest viewers you interviewed jamie _ suggest viewers you interviewed jamie raskin on my instagram show— jamie raskin on my instagram show at — jamie raskin on my instagram show at kim wehle. we had a fascinating talk about how important constitutional norms are, _ important constitutional norms are, how— important constitutional norms are, howjanuary six was supposed to go and white might happen— supposed to go and white might happen if there is violence. we are in— happen if there is violence. we are in very— happen if there is violence. we are in very good hands at... forgive _ are in very good hands at... forgive me _ are in very good hands at... forgive me for stopping you i just want to say but this image here and pick up some of the sound coming live from dc. let's listen in.

mr president and members of the senate. i announce the presence of the managers on the part of the house of representatives to conduct proceedings on the half of the house concerning the end peterman of donald john trump former president of the united states. managers power to the house will be received. and escorted to the senate.

sergeant and arms will make the proclamation. sergeant and arms will make the proclamation-— proclamation. here we hear ye hear e. proclamation. here we hear ye hear ye- all — proclamation. here we hear ye hear ye. all persons _ proclamation. here we hear ye hear ye. all persons are - hear ye. all persons are commanded _ hear ye. all persons are commanded to - hear ye. all persons are commanded to keep- hear ye. all persons are . commanded to keep silent hear ye. all persons are - commanded to keep silent on pain— commanded to keep silent on pain of— commanded to keep silent on pain of imprisonment- commanded to keep silent on pain of imprisonment while i commanded to keep silent on. pain of imprisonment while they house _ pain of imprisonment while they house of— pain of imprisonment while they house of representatives - pain of imprisonment while they house of representatives is- house of representatives is exhibiting _ house of representatives is exhibiting to— house of representatives is exhibiting to the _ house of representatives is exhibiting to the senate - house of representatives is exhibiting to the senate of. house of representatives is. exhibiting to the senate of the united — exhibiting to the senate of the united states— exhibiting to the senate of the united states an _ exhibiting to the senate of the united states an article - exhibiting to the senate of the united states an article of - united states an article of impeachment _ united states an article of impeachment against - united states an article of i impeachment against donald united states an article of - impeachment against donald john trump, _ impeachment against donald john trump. former— impeachment against donald john trump, former president - impeachment against donald john trump, former president of- impeachment against donald john trump, former president of the l trump, former president of the united — trump, former president of the united states. _ trump, former president of the united states.— trump, former president of the united states. managers on part ofthe united states. managers on part of the house _ united states. managers on part of the house will— united states. managers on part of the house will proceed. - mr president mr president, that managers and the part of the house — managers and the part of the house of— managers and the part of the house of representatives are here — house of representatives are here and _ house of representatives are here and ready to present the articles— here and ready to present the articles of impeachment which had been referred to the donald

j trump — had been referred to the donald j trump former president of the united — j trump former president of the united states. the house adopted the following resolution with the permission of the — resolution with the permission of the senate i will read. house _ of the senate i will read. house resolution 40, and the house — house resolution 40, and the house of— house resolution 40, and the house of representatives united states _ house of representatives united states january 13, house of representatives united statesjanuary13, 2021 house of representatives united states january 13, 2021 resolve that mr _ states january 13, 2021 resolve that mr raskin, mr get mr ceilini, _ that mr raskin, mr get mr cellini, mr castro of texas, mr lou, _ cellini, mr castro of texas, mr lou, mr— cellini, mr castro of texas, mr lou, mr muscat and ms. dean are appointed _ lou, mr muscat and ms. dean are appointed managers to conduct the impeachment trial against donald — the impeachment trial against donald john trump president of the united states. the scent to this senate to inform and the senate — this senate to inform and the senate appointments and that the managers so appointed may in connection with the preparation and the conduct of the trial— preparation and the conduct of the trial exhibit the article of impeachment to the senate and take — of impeachment to the senate and take all other actions necessary which may include the following, — necessary which may include the following, employing legal, ctericai _ following, employing legal, clerical and other necessary insistence in incurring such other— insistence in incurring such other expenses as may be necessary to be paid from amounts available to the under

applicable expense resolution or applicable accounts of the house — or applicable accounts of the house of— or applicable accounts of the house of representatives. two sending — house of representatives. two sending for persons of papers and filing with secretary of the senate on the part of the house — the senate on the part of the house of— the senate on the part of the house of representatives any pleadings in conjunction with or subsequent to the exhibition of the — or subsequent to the exhibition of the articles of impeachment that the — of the articles of impeachment that the managers consider necessary. nancy pelosi, speaker _ necessary. nancy pelosi, speaker of the house of representatives with the permission of the senate i will now read — permission of the senate i will now read the article of impeachment. house resolution 20 for— impeachment. house resolution 20 for and — impeachment. house resolution 20 for and the house of representatives united states january — representatives united states january 13, 2021 resolved, that donaid — january 13, 2021 resolved, that donald john trump, president of the united states is impeached for high — the united states is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors in the following article — misdemeanors in the following article of— misdemeanors in the following article of impeachment be exhibited to the united states senate — exhibited to the united states senate. article of impeachment united — senate. article of impeachment united states of america in the name _ united states of america in the name of— united states of america in the name of its south end of the people — name of its south end of the people of the united states of america — people of the united states of america against donald john trump, _ america against donald john trump, president of the united states— trump, president of the united states of— trump, president of the united states of america in maintenance and support of its impeachment against them for

hi-h impeachment against them for high crimes and misdemeanors. article _ high crimes and misdemeanors. article one, incitement of insurrection. the constitution provides— insurrection. the constitution provides that the house of representatives shall have the sole power of impeachment and that the — sole power of impeachment and that the president shall be removed from office on impeachment, for, and conviction of treason, bribery, or other— conviction of treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. further section three _ misdemeanors. further section three of— misdemeanors. further section three of the 14th amendment of the constitution prohibits any person— the constitution prohibits any person who has engaged in insurrection or rebellion against _ insurrection or rebellion against the united states from holding — against the united states from holding any office under the united _ holding any office under the united states. in his conduct white — united states. in his conduct while president of the united states— while president of the united states and in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of the president of the united states and to— president of the united states and to the best of his ability, preserve. _ and to the best of his ability, preserve, attract, and protect the constitution of the united states— the constitution of the united states and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care — constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, donald john— faithfully executed, donald john trump engage in high crimes— john trump engage in high crimes and misdemeanors by

inciting — crimes and misdemeanors by inciting violence against the government of the united states and that, — government of the united states and that, onjanuary six, 2021, pursuant— and that, onjanuary six, 2021, pursuant to _ and that, onjanuary six, 2021, pursuant to the 12th amendment of the _ pursuant to the 12th amendment of the constitution of the united _ of the constitution of the united states, the vice president of the united states, the house of representatives and the — the house of representatives and the senate met at the united _ and the senate met at the united states capitol for a joint — united states capitol for a joint session of congress to count— joint session of congress to count the votes of the electoral college. in the months preceding the joint session. _ months preceding the joint session, president trump repeatedly issued false statements asserting that the presidential election results or the — presidential election results or the product of widespread fraud — or the product of widespread fraud and should not be accepted by the american people or certified by state or federal officials. shortly before the joint session commenced, president trump addressed a crowd at the... in washington, dc there he reiterated false claims that he we won — reiterated false claims that he we won the election and we wanted _ we won the election and we wanted by a landslide. he also wiiifuiiy— wanted by a landslide. he also willfully made statements that in context and foreseeably resulted in lawless action at the capital such as, if you

don't _ the capital such as, if you don't fight like hell you're not — don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country any more — not going to have a country any more thus _ not going to have a country any more. thus incited by president trump — more. thus incited by president trump members of the crowd he had addressed an attempt to among — had addressed an attempt to among other objectives interfere with the joint sessions solemn constitutional duty to — sessions solemn constitutional duty to certify the results of the 2020 presidential election, unlawfully breached and vandalized the capital, injured and killed law enforcement personnel, menaced members of congress. — personnel, menaced members of congress, the vice president and — congress, the vice president and congressional personnel and engage _ and congressional personnel and engage in— and congressional personnel and engage in other violent, deadly, _ engage in other violent, deadly, destructive and seditious acts. president trump's _ seditious acts. president trump's conduct on january six, 2021— trump's conduct on january six, 2021 followed his prior efforts to subvert and obstruct the certification of the results of the 2020 presidential election. those — the 2020 presidential election. those prior efforts included a phone — those prior efforts included a phone call onjanuary those prior efforts included a phone call on january two, those prior efforts included a phone call onjanuary two, 2021 during — phone call onjanuary two, 2021 during which president trump urged — during which president trump urged the secretary of georgia brad _ urged the secretary of georgia brad branson spurred to find

enough _ brad branson spurred to find enough votes to overturn the georgia — enough votes to overturn the georgia presidential election results — georgia presidential election results and threatened sec. reference berger if he failed to do— reference berger if he failed to do so _ reference berger if he failed to do so. in all this president trump — to do so. in all this president trump greatly in danger of the security— trump greatly in danger of the security of the united states and its — security of the united states and its institutions of government. he threatened the integrity— government. he threatened the integrity of the democratic system, interfered with the peaceful transition of power and imperiled a coleco power of government. he thereby to pay betrayed — government. he thereby to pay betrayed his trust as president to the — betrayed his trust as president to the manifest injury of the people _ to the manifest injury of the people of the united states. wherefore, donaldjohn people of the united states. wherefore, donald john trump by such conduct has demonstrated that he — such conduct has demonstrated that he will remain a threat to national— that he will remain a threat to national security, democracy and — national security, democracy and the _ national security, democracy and the constitution if allowed to remain in office and has acted _ to remain in office and has acted in _ to remain in office and has acted in a _ to remain in office and has acted in a manner grossly incompatible with self—governance and the rural of law — self—governance and the rural of law. donaldjohn self—governance and the rural of law. donald john trump thus warrants— of law. donald john trump thus warrants impeachment and trial, removat— warrants impeachment and trial, removal from office and disqualification to hold and

enjoy— disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honour trust _ enjoy any office of honour trust or— enjoy any office of honour trust or profit under the united _ trust or profit under the united states. nancy pelosi, speaker— united states. nancy pelosi, speaker of the house of representatives. mr president, that completes the exhibition of the — that completes the exhibition of the articles of impeachment against — of the articles of impeachment against donald john trump president of the united states, request— president of the united states, request the senate take order for the — request the senate take order for the child. the managers now request— for the child. the managers now request leave to withdraw. thank _ request leave to withdraw. thank you. the senate will duly notify the house of representatives. proceed with the trial. thank you. 50. representatives. proceed with the trial. thank you.— the trial. thank you. so, there we have it- — the trial. thank you. so, there we have it. the _ the trial. thank you. so, there we have it. the senate - the trial. thank you. so, there we have it. the senate agrees| we have it. the senate agrees to proceed with the trial. the lead impeachment managerfor lead impeachment manager for the lead impeachment managerfor the house of representatives democrat from maryland reading a much longer charge than had been anticipated. we understood, my understanding was his was going to be on one simple charge of incitement to

insurrection. barbara who is been watching and following all the developments there also watching with us professor kimberly wehle. thank you for staying with us. barbara, just your thoughts about that and indeed the detail with which jamie raskin went into the charge. jamie raskin went into the charae. . . jamie raskin went into the charae. , ., , jamie raskin went into the charae. , . , . ., charge. yes, that is the charge that we were — charge. yes, that is the charge that we were expecting. - charge. yes, that is the charge that we were expecting. it - charge. yes, that is the charge that we were expecting. it is i that we were expecting. it is one charge, insurrection or incitement i should say to violence against the government. but he does not just the events on capitol hill the charge sites. it does do so. it says that his comments in the contacts at the time serve to encourage and spur lawlessness amongst his followers. it also talks about mr trump's campaign to mrtrump's campaign to undermine the election results saying that they were fraudulent. which he did over many weeks. and it mentions a particular incident in which he called up the secretary of

state of georgia and asked them to try to find votes to overturn the election in georgia. which is an example that the managers are saying of him trying to subvert the election. there is one charge and the rest of it that you heard was the way that they came to the conclusion that this charge should be made. they are walking now back to the senate to the house of representatives. in the senate, very few republicans for this reading of the charge. notably mitch mcconnell was there. he's the top republican. also mitt romney who you might remember did, the only republican who voted to impeach last time. he hasn't said is going to do at this time but he has kept open to the possibility. so that short ceremony is over and they are now heading back to the house of representatives. professor wehle. the prosecution outlining its case, these senators, this jury,

prosecution outlining its case, these senators, thisjury, the trial takes place there. what are the chances do you think of getting the two thirds majority needs to push through it with impeachment the second time? that's really hard to say. at this — that's really hard to say. at this moment it looks quite unlikely— this moment it looks quite unlikely of course. tenant republicans actually voted to impeach. the impeachment process— impeach. the impeachment process is the equivalent of like — process is the equivalent of like a — process is the equivalent of like a grandjury process is the equivalent of like a grand jury indictment. in like a grand jury indictment. in these _ like a grand jury indictment. in these senators are the jurors _ in these senators are the jurors. but watching a represented raskin a couple of things— represented raskin a couple of thingsjumped out at me, one is the last— thingsjumped out at me, one is the last impeachment, the art equipment was wait a minute what — equipment was wait a minute what happened with ukraine wasn't — what happened with ukraine wasn't bribery so it doesn't count— wasn't bribery so it doesn't count for— wasn't bribery so it doesn't count for removal. here are representative raskin mentioned both the — representative raskin mentioned both the 14th amendment ban on insurrection and the take care clause — insurrection and the take care clause. there are two parts of the constitution itself that they— the constitution itself that they are claiming he violated. the second argument was that we have an _ the second argument was that we have an election coming and the election— have an election coming and the election is— have an election coming and the election is how we decide whether presidents should stay or go — whether presidents should stay or go. and of course we sought

their— or go. and of course we sought their second impeachment about their second impeachment about the legitimacy or the false claims _ the legitimacy or the false claims of illegitimacy around those — claims of illegitimacy around those elections. when i look at this and — those elections. when i look at this and i— those elections. when i look at this and i see, i envision the actual— this and i see, i envision the actual trial. this and i see, i envision the actualtrial. i this and i see, i envision the actual trial. i think there will— actual trial. i think there will be _ actual trial. i think there will be witnesses. raskin is a tawyer~ — will be witnesses. raskin is a lawyer. they will call witnesses and they will have documents. now mitch mcconnell can't block that. this puts republicans in a very uncomfortable position to vote against — uncomfortable position to vote against the sword, a band for future — against the sword, a band for future office. there aren't any facts — future office. there aren't any facts to — future office. there aren't any facts to support that position. there — facts to support that position. there is— facts to support that position. there is no law to support this position— there is no law to support this position for top and there isn't _ position for top and there isn't this— position for top and there isn't this kind of procedural argument that way, we should 'ust argument that way, we should just let — argument that way, we should just iet it— argument that way, we should just let it resolve the election. a result reaction in favour— election. a result reaction in favour of— election. a result reaction in favour ofjoe biden. and many republicans still took the position that biden was an illegitimate president notwithstanding widespread facts — notwithstanding widespread facts and certifications from all 50 — facts and certifications from all 50 states. it's, it will be very— all 50 states. it's, it will be very interesting politically how — very interesting politically how they can actually come out when _ how they can actually come out when they have to vote on it,

how — when they have to vote on it, how they _ when they have to vote on it, how they can stand and excuse a vote _ how they can stand and excuse a vote for— how they can stand and excuse a vote for not _ how they can stand and excuse a vote for not keeping him out of the presidency in 2025.- the presidency in 2025. yeah and 75 million _ the presidency in 2025. yeah and 75 million republicans i and 75 million republicans voted for him in the last election. people forget of course because that was a huge number. in terms of witnesses, wouldn't potentially be donald trump who was called as well or his lawyer would just be for him? i his lawyer would 'ust be for him? ~ . . his lawyer would 'ust be for him? ~ him? i think as your correspondent - him? i think as your- correspondent indicated they are three aspects of this. one is what — are three aspects of this. one is what actually happened was that we — is what actually happened was that we all saw with her what happened on the day. but the real question is donald trumps culpability. there are three pieces— culpability. there are three pieces of that. one is what did he know— pieces of that. one is what did he know going up to the six? and — he know going up to the six? and we — he know going up to the six? and we are hearing more and more — and we are hearing more and more this— and we are hearing more and more this drip, drip, drip of intelligence at the fbi worn the day— intelligence at the fbi worn the day before that there weren't _ the day before that there weren't members of congress that wanted reinforcements. law enforcement and were denied in advance — enforcement and were denied in advance from the department of

defence — advance from the department of defence without larry hogan, government of maryland asked to have the — government of maryland asked to have the national guard of maryland go to the capital and was told — maryland go to the capital and was told no bite donald trumps hand—picked secretary of hand— picked secretary of defence hand—picked secretary of defence without remember, he let go— defence without remember, he let go the acting one in december and what this person in. december and what this person in which— december and what this person in. which at the time seem realty— in. which at the time seem really odd because he was a lame — really odd because he was a lame duck president. then there will be _ lame duck president. then there will be what happened afterward late night afterwards? what was his frame, state of mind? he did come _ his frame, state of mind? he did come out and have hardly said — did come out and have hardly said go— did come out and have hardly said go home. but he didn't use the ievers — said go home. but he didn't use the levers of authority he has for the — the levers of authority he has for the military and law enforcement to protect the lockdown the capital in that moment. i think it's the whole story — moment. i think it's the whole story. frankly, we don't know what's — story. frankly, we don't know what's going to happen between now and — what's going to happen between now and that. the fbi is rounding up lower—level defendant and charging them. of course. _ defendant and charging them. of course, some of these people that— course, some of these people that were _ course, some of these people that were of former trump supporters as they listen, we did this — supporters as they listen, we did this because the president asked — did this because the president asked us— did this because the president asked us to. so there are at least — asked us to. so there are at least from some of the insurrections point of view

yes. — insurrections point of view yes. he _ insurrections point of view yes, he did insight because that— yes, he did insight because that was— yes, he did insight because that was my understanding. the way prosecutors build their cases— way prosecutors build their cases they get criminal defendants and lower rungs to sort of — defendants and lower rungs to sort of testify or offer evidence in exchange for a lesser— evidence in exchange for a lesser sentence. my guess is the fbi — lesser sentence. my guess is the fbi and the members of the house. — the fbi and the members of the house, democrats and how senate democrats — house, democrats and how senate democrats are working feverishly around the clock to see what _ feverishly around the clock to see what additional information can be — see what additional information can be gathered between now and february — can be gathered between now and february nine. when i presume the actual— february nine. when i presume the actual trial will start. kimberly wehle. aunt barbara stay with us. ijust kimberly wehle. aunt barbara stay with us. i just want to bring in the chief operating officer at the laufer institute. senior fellow at the michael v hayden institute. former intelligence officer at the cia. what did you make of that ceremony? in terms of its historical significance?-

historical significance? yes. it really stands _ historical significance? yes. it really stands out - historical significance? yes. it really stands out because| historical significance? yes. i it really stands out because it has happened _ it really stands out because it has happened so— it really stands out because it has happened so few - it really stands out because it has happened so few times i it really stands out because it has happened so few times in american _ has happened so few times in american history— has happened so few times in american history for- has happened so few times in american history for some . has happened so few times inl american history for some this inherently— american history for some this inherently constitutional- american history for some this inherently constitutional and l inherently constitutional and legal— inherently constitutional and legal process _ inherently constitutional and legal process despite - inherently constitutional and legal process despite the - legal process despite the political— legal process despite the political claims _ legal process despite the political claims you - legal process despite the political claims you will. legal process despite the - political claims you will hear. it's political claims you will hear. it's a — political claims you will hear. it's a constitutional— political claims you will hear. it's a constitutional process. i it's a constitutional process. but it— it's a constitutional process. but it barely _ it's a constitutional process. but it barely happened - it's a constitutional process. but it barely happened in. it's a constitutional process. | but it barely happened in the first 150 _ but it barely happened in the first 150 years _ but it barely happened in the first 150 years of _ but it barely happened in the first 150 years of american i first 150 years of american history _ first 150 years of american history. and _ first 150 years of american history. and now- first 150 years of american history. and now we've - first 150 years of american l history. and now we've seen first 150 years of american - history. and now we've seen two of them — history. and now we've seen two of them within _ history. and now we've seen two of them within the _ history. and now we've seen two of them within the last _ history. and now we've seen two of them within the last 13 - of them within the last 13 months _ of them within the last 13 months. still— of them within the last 13 months. still something i of them within the last 13 - months. still something that's taken — months. still something that's taken very— months. still something that's taken very seriously. - months. still something that's taken very seriously. you - months. still something that's taken very seriously. you see i taken very seriously. you see the actual— taken very seriously. you see the actual ritual— taken very seriously. you see the actual ritual being - the actual ritual being performed _ the actual ritual being performed of- the actual ritual being performed of walking | the actual ritual being - performed of walking into the well of— performed of walking into the well of the _ performed of walking into the well of the senate _ performed of walking into the well of the senate and - performed of walking into the i well of the senate and reading it to somehow _ well of the senate and reading it to somehow show _ well of the senate and reading it to somehow show the - it to somehow show the importance _ it to somehow show the importance of— it to somehow show the importance of this - it to somehow show the | importance of this event regardiess _ importance of this event regardless of— importance of this event regardless of all- importance of this event regardless of all the - importance of this event i regardless of all the noise going _ regardless of all the noise going on— regardless of all the noise going on around _ regardless of all the noise going on around it. - regardless of all the noise going on around it. and i regardless of all the noise i going on around it. and let's not kid — going on around it. and let's not kid ourselves, _ going on around it. and let's not kid ourselves, this - going on around it. and let's not kid ourselves, this is - going on around it. and let's not kid ourselves, this is a l not kid ourselves, this is a very— not kid ourselves, this is a very serious _ not kid ourselves, this is al very serious impeachment. not kid ourselves, this is a i very serious impeachment. in many— very serious impeachment. in many ways— very serious impeachment. in many ways the _ very serious impeachment. in many ways the most - very serious impeachment. in many ways the most serious. many ways the most serious impeachment _ many ways the most serious impeachment effort - many ways the most serious impeachment effort in - many ways the most serious - impeachment effort in american history — impeachment effort in american history. because _ impeachment effort in american history. because it _ impeachment effort in american history. because it did _ impeachment effort in american history. because it did not- history. because it did not involve _ history. because it did not involve something - history. because it did not involve something like - history. because it did not- involve something like andrew johnson — involve something like andrew johnson had _ involve something like andrew johnson had been _ involve something like andrew johnson had been impeached i involve something like andrew. johnson had been impeached for which _ johnson had been impeached for which was — johnson had been impeached for which was saying _ johnson had been impeached for which was saying mean - johnson had been impeached for which was saying mean things i which was saying mean things about— which was saying mean things about congress— which was saying mean things about congress as _ which was saying mean things about congress as he - which was saying mean things about congress as he was - which was saying mean things . about congress as he was giving speeches— about congress as he was giving speeches around _ about congress as he was giving speeches around the _ about congress as he was giving speeches around the country. i about congress as he was giving | speeches around the country. or vioiating — speeches around the country. or violating a — speeches around the country. or vioiating a law— speeches around the country. or violating a law about _ speeches around the country. or

violating a law about the - violating a law about the tenure _ violating a law about the tenure of _ violating a law about the tenure of a _ violating a law about the tenure of a cabinet - violating a law about the - tenure of a cabinet member. this— tenure of a cabinet member. this was— tenure of a cabinet member. this was not— tenure of a cabinet member. this was not about _ tenure of a cabinet member. this was not about even - tenure of a cabinet member. | this was not about even lying under— this was not about even lying under oath _ this was not about even lying under oath as— this was not about even lying under oath as bill— this was not about even lying under oath as bill clinton - this was not about even lying under oath as bill clinton did | under oath as bill clinton did in the — under oath as bill clinton did in the monica _ under oath as bill clinton did in the monica lewinsky- under oath as bill clinton did in the monica lewinsky bill. in the monica lewinsky bill clinton _ in the monica lewinsky bill clinton scandal— in the monica lewinsky bill clinton scandal of- in the monica lewinsky bill clinton scandal of the - in the monica lewinsky bill. clinton scandal of the 1990s. this— clinton scandal of the 1990s. this one _ clinton scandal of the 1990s. this one is _ clinton scandal of the 1990s. this one is about _ clinton scandal of the 1990s. this one is about an - clinton scandal of the 1990s. this one is about an actual. this one is about an actual incitement _ this one is about an actual incitement of— this one is about an actualj incitement of insurrection, this one is about an actual- incitement of insurrection, and interruption _ incitement of insurrection, and interruption of _ incitement of insurrection, and interruption of the _ interruption of the constitutional- interruption of the - constitutional counting of interruption of the _ constitutional counting of the electoral— constitutional counting of the electoral college _ constitutional counting of the electoral college votes. - constitutional counting of the electoral college votes. this. electoral college votes. this is one — electoral college votes. this is one of— electoral college votes. this is one of the _ electoral college votes. this is one of the most— electoral college votes. this is one of the most serious . is one of the most serious moments _ is one of the most serious moments in _ is one of the most serious moments in american - moments in american constitutional- moments in american constitutional and - moments in american - constitutional and political history _ constitutional and political histo . . , constitutional and political histo . , , constitutional and political histo. , , ., history. kimberly was saying a moment ago. _ history. kimberly was saying a moment ago, it's _ history. kimberly was saying a moment ago, it's a _ history. kimberly was saying a moment ago, it's a very - history. kimberly was saying a moment ago, it's a very tough call for the republicans, isn't it on this? just looking at the political ramifications of this this is presumably a chance for the republicans to either cut ties with donald trump or not. because of the huge support that he did and still does have. .,,, .., ., that he did and still does have. .,,, .. ., ., have. the ossification of polymerisation - have. the ossification of polymerisation in - have. the ossification of polymerisation in the i have. the ossification of- polymerisation in the united states— polymerisation in the united states is— polymerisation in the united states is such _ polymerisation in the united states is such that _ polymerisation in the united states is such that you - polymerisation in the unitedj states is such that you could run a — states is such that you could run a random _ states is such that you could run a random american - states is such that you could run a random american with| states is such that you could. run a random american with a repubiican— run a random american with a republican listed _ run a random american with a republican listed after- run a random american with a republican listed after her- republican listed after her name _ republican listed after her

name or— republican listed after her name or his _ republican listed after her name or his name - republican listed after her name or his name and - republican listed after her| name or his name and that person— name or his name and that person probably— name or his name and that person probably would - name or his name and that person probably would get| person probably would get significant _ person probably would get significant support- person probably would get significant support from i person probably would get i significant support from the republican— significant support from the republican base. _ significant support from the republican base. that's - significant support from the| republican base. that'sjust republican base. that's just the way— republican base. that's just the way the _ republican base. that'sjust the way the tribalism - republican base. that'sjust the way the tribalism has i the way the tribalism has embedded _ the way the tribalism has embedded itself. - the way the tribalism has embedded itself. but - the way the tribalism hasl embedded itself. but let's the way the tribalism has - embedded itself. but let's be clear— embedded itself. but let's be clear here. _ embedded itself. but let's be clear here, we _ embedded itself. but let's be clear here, we have - embedded itself. but let's be clear here, we have seen- embedded itself. but let's be clear here, we have seen a l embedded itself. but let's be i clear here, we have seen a very different — clear here, we have seen a very different reaction— clear here, we have seen a very different reaction this _ clear here, we have seen a very different reaction this time - different reaction this time than — different reaction this time than we _ different reaction this time than we did _ different reaction this time than we did before. - different reaction this time than we did before. we - different reaction this time i than we did before. we saw in this impeachment— than we did before. we saw in this impeachment by- than we did before. we saw in this impeachment by the - than we did before. we saw in. this impeachment by the house of representatives— this impeachment by the house of representatives that - this impeachment by the house of representatives that ten - of representatives that ten republican _ of representatives that ten republican lawmakers - of representatives that ten i republican lawmakers chose of representatives that ten - republican lawmakers chose to impeach — republican lawmakers chose to impeach the _ republican lawmakers chose to impeach the president. - republican lawmakers chose to impeach the president. went. impeach the president. went last time _ impeach the president. went last time it _ impeach the president. went last time it was _ impeach the president. went last time it was zero. - impeach the president. went last time it was zero. and . impeach the president. went last time it was zero. and inl last time it was zero. and in fact— last time it was zero. and in fact this _ last time it was zero. and in fact this is _ last time it was zero. and in fact this is only— last time it was zero. and in fact this is only the - last time it was zero. and in fact this is only the second i fact this is only the second time — fact this is only the second time in _ fact this is only the second time in american - fact this is only the second time in american history. fact this is only the second . time in american history that any members _ time in american history that any members of— time in american history that any members of a _ time in american history that any members of a presidents party— any members of a presidents party have _ any members of a presidents party have voted _ any members of a presidents party have voted to - any members of a presidents party have voted to impeachl party have voted to impeach that — party have voted to impeach that president. _ party have voted to impeach that president. it— party have voted to impeach that president. it also - that president. it also happened _ that president. it also happened with - that president. it also happened with bill. that president. it also - happened with bill clinton lb it with — happened with bill clinton lb it with fewer— happened with bill clinton lb it with fewer members. - happened with bill clinton lb it with fewer members. now| happened with bill clinton lb - it with fewer members. now that doesn't _ it with fewer members. now that doesn't tell— it with fewer members. now that doesn't tell you _ it with fewer members. now that doesn't tell you that _ it with fewer members. now that doesn't tell you that the - doesn't tell you that the senate _ doesn't tell you that the senate will— doesn't tell you that the senate will convict. - doesn't tell you that the senate will convict. but| doesn't tell you that the i senate will convict. but it does _ senate will convict. but it does show _ senate will convict. but it does show that _ senate will convict. but iti does show that something senate will convict. but it. does show that something is different _ does show that something is different. you _ does show that something is different. you do _ does show that something is different. you do have - different. you do have respected _ different. you do have respected members . different. you do havej respected members of different. you do have - respected members of congress from _ respected members of congress from the — respected members of congress from the republican _ respected members of congress from the republican party- respected members of congress from the republican party who i from the republican party who have _ from the republican party who have said. _ from the republican party who have said, this— from the republican party who have said, this is— from the republican party who have said, this is a _ from the republican party who have said, this is a line - from the republican party who have said, this is a line too - have said, this is a line too far for— have said, this is a line too far for me _ have said, this is a line too far for me to _ have said, this is a line too far for me to cross. - have said, this is a line too far for me to cross. and i have said, this is a line tool far for me to cross. and this does — far for me to cross. and this does not _ far for me to cross. and this does not correspond - far for me to cross. and this does not correspond with i far for me to cross. and this| does not correspond with my values — does not correspond with my values as— does not correspond with my values as a _ does not correspond with my values as a republican. - does not correspond with my values as a republican. this| values as a republican. this may— values as a republican. this may not— values as a republican. this may not be _ values as a republican. this may not be a _ values as a republican. this may not be a crack- values as a republican. this may not be a crack wide - values as a republican. this - may not be a crack wide enough to get— may not be a crack wide enough

to get them _ may not be a crack wide enough to get them the _ may not be a crack wide enough to get them the votes _ may not be a crack wide enough to get them the votes in - may not be a crack wide enough to get them the votes in the - to get them the votes in the senate _ to get them the votes in the senate but _ to get them the votes in the senate but it— to get them the votes in the senate but it does _ to get them the votes in the senate but it does open - to get them the votes in the senate but it does open it . to get them the votes in thei senate but it does open it up for people _ senate but it does open it up for people like _ senate but it does open it up for people like senator- senate but it does open it up i for people like senator romney from _ for people like senator romney from utah. _ for people like senator romney from utah. or— for people like senator romney from utah, or senator- for people like senator romney i from utah, or senator murkowski from _ from utah, or senator murkowski from alaska _ from utah, or senator murkowski from alaska. and _ from utah, or senator murkowski from alaska. and even _ from utah, or senator murkowski from alaska. and even senator. from alaska. and even senator mcconnell— from alaska. and even senator mcconnell from _ from alaska. and even senator mcconnell from kentucky. - from alaska. and even senator mcconnell from kentucky. if. from alaska. and even senatorj mcconnell from kentucky. if he sees _ mcconnell from kentucky. if he sees enough _ mcconnell from kentucky. if he sees enough member- mcconnell from kentucky. if he sees enough member of- mcconnell from kentucky. if he sees enough member of his - sees enough member of his caucus— sees enough member of his caucus in— sees enough member of his caucus in the _ sees enough member of his caucus in the senate - sees enough member of his . caucus in the senate choosing to convict. _ caucus in the senate choosing to convict, he _ caucus in the senate choosing to convict, he will— caucus in the senate choosing to convict, he will probably i caucus in the senate choosingj to convict, he will probably go along — to convict, he will probably go along with _ to convict, he will probably go along with whatever— to convict, he will probably go along with whatever weight i to convict, he will probably gol along with whatever weight the momentum _ along with whatever weight the momentum is _ along with whatever weight the momentum is turning - along with whatever weight the momentum is turning among . along with whatever weight the i momentum is turning among his caucus — momentum is turning among his caucus and _ momentum is turning among his caucus. and that _ momentum is turning among his caucus. and that is _ momentum is turning among his caucus. and that is remarkable i caucus. and that is remarkable when _ caucus. and that is remarkable when you — caucus. and that is remarkable when you think _ caucus. and that is remarkable when you think about - caucus. and that is remarkable when you think about the - caucus. and that is remarkable when you think about the fact i when you think about the fact that generally, _ when you think about the fact that generally, the _ when you think about the fact that generally, the senate . that generally, the senate sticks— that generally, the senate sticks with _ that generally, the senate sticks with the _ that generally, the senate sticks with the president l that generally, the senate . sticks with the president and impeachment _ sticks with the president and impeachment vote _ sticks with the president and impeachment vote intends . sticks with the president andl impeachment vote intends to acquit— impeachment vote intends to acguit a — impeachment vote intends to acquit a president _ impeachment vote intends to acquit a president of - impeachment vote intends to acquit a president of their. impeachment vote intends to i acquit a president of their own party — acquit a president of their own party. 0ti— acquit a president of their own .a _ . ., , acquit a president of their own party. of course. some would also say that— party. of course. some would also say that this _ party. of course. some would also say that this is _ party. of course. some would also say that this is a - also say that this is a distraction. not least for president bidens huge programme in terms of vaccinations and financial packages and executive orders. is this something that he really wants to dominate the news over the next five or six weeks? it’s to dominate the news over the next five or six weeks?- next five or six weeks? it's a bit of a red _ next five or six weeks? it's a bit of a red herring _ next five or six weeks? it's a bit of a red herring here. - bit of a red herring here. because _ bit of a red herring here. because the the idea that the senators— because the the idea that the senators can't— because the the idea that the senators can't concentrate i because the the idea that the senators can't concentrate on their— senators can't concentrate on their ideals — senators can't concentrate on their ideals of— senators can't concentrate on their ideals of a _ senators can't concentrate on their ideals of a legislative i their ideals of a legislative proposal—

their ideals of a legislative proposal or— their ideals of a legislative proposal or a _ their ideals of a legislative proposal or a cabinet - their ideals of a legislative - proposal or a cabinet secretary while _ proposal or a cabinet secretary while there _ proposal or a cabinet secretary while there is— proposal or a cabinet secretary while there is this _ proposal or a cabinet secretary. while there is this impeachment trial looming _ while there is this impeachment trial looming is _ while there is this impeachment trial looming is a _ while there is this impeachment trial looming is a bit _ trial looming is a bit ridiculous. - trial looming is a bit ridiculous. senatorsj trial looming is a bit - ridiculous. senators have staff~ _ ridiculous. senators have staff they _ ridiculous. senators have staff. they can _ ridiculous. senators have staff. they can easily - ridiculous. senators havei staff. they can easily look over— staff. they can easily look over pending _ staff. they can easily look over pending legislation. i staff. they can easily look - over pending legislation. they can easily— over pending legislation. they can easily draughted. - over pending legislation. they can easily draughted. they- over pending legislation. theyl can easily draughted. they can do two — can easily draughted. they can do two things— can easily draughted. they can do two things at _ can easily draughted. they can do two things at a _ can easily draughted. they can do two things at a time. - can easily draughted. they can do two things at a time. and . do two things at a time. and they— do two things at a time. and they are _ do two things at a time. and they are not _ do two things at a time. and they are not even _ do two things at a time. and they are not even asking - do two things at a time. and l they are not even asking them to do— they are not even asking them to do two— they are not even asking them to do two things _ they are not even asking them to do two things at _ they are not even asking them to do two things at a - they are not even asking them to do two things at a time. - to do two things at a time. they've _ to do two things at a time. they've come _ to do two things at a time. they've come to _ to do two things at a time. they've come to an - to do two things at a time. - they've come to an agreement whereby— they've come to an agreement whereby this— they've come to an agreement whereby this trial— they've come to an agreement whereby this trial will- they've come to an agreement whereby this trial will not - whereby this trial will not begin— whereby this trial will not begin immediately, - whereby this trial will not begin immediately, it - whereby this trial will not | begin immediately, it will whereby this trial will not . begin immediately, it will be delayed _ begin immediately, it will be delayed for— begin immediately, it will be delayed for those _ begin immediately, it will be i delayed for those appointments to happen _ delayed for those appointments to happen. and _ delayed for those appointments to happen. and for— delayed for those appointments to happen. and for some - to happen. and for some emergency— to happen. and for some emergency legislation. to happen. and for some emergency legislation to j to happen. and for some i emergency legislation to be considered. _ emergency legislation to be considered. and _ emergency legislation to be considered. and it's- emergency legislation to be considered. and it's even. considered. and it's even possible _ considered. and it's even possible that _ considered. and it's even possible that during - considered. and it's even possible that during the i considered. and it's even. possible that during the trial they— possible that during the trial they will— possible that during the trial they will come _ possible that during the trial they will come up _ possible that during the trial they will come up with - possible that during the trial they will come up with a - possible that during the trialj they will come up with a way possible that during the trial i they will come up with a way to continue — they will come up with a way to continue to— they will come up with a way to continue to have _ they will come up with a way to continue to have some - they will come up with a way to continue to have some senatel continue to have some senate floor— continue to have some senate floor time _ continue to have some senate floor time for— continue to have some senate floor time for votes. - continue to have some senate floor time for votes. the - continue to have some senate floor time for votes. the rules of the — floor time for votes. the rules of the senate _ floor time for votes. the rules of the senate certainly - floor time for votes. the rules of the senate certainly can - floor time for votes. the rules of the senate certainly can be| of the senate certainly can be changed — of the senate certainly can be changed to _ of the senate certainly can be changed to meet _ of the senate certainly can be changed to meet the - of the senate certainly can bel changed to meet the moment. of the senate certainly can be - changed to meet the moment. and we see _ changed to meet the moment. and we see that — changed to meet the moment. and we see that right— changed to meet the moment. and we see that right now— changed to meet the moment. and we see that right now with- changed to meet the moment. and we see that right now with the - we see that right now with the way they— we see that right now with the way they are _ we see that right now with the way they are treating - we see that right now with the way they are treating this - we see that right now with the way they are treating this very different— way they are treating this very different than— way they are treating this very different than the _ way they are treating this very different than the immediacy. different than the immediacy with— different than the immediacy with which— different than the immediacy with which they _ different than the immediacy with which they handled - different than the immediacy with which they handled thel with which they handled the first— with which they handled the first impeachment- with which they handled the first impeachment of- with which they handled the| first impeachment of donald trump _ first impeachment of donald trum -. first impeachment of donald trum. , , trump. david, stay with us. kimberly — trump. david, stay with us. kimberly l'm _ trump. david, stay with us. kimberly i'm not _ trump. david, stay with us. kimberly i'm not sure - trump. david, stay with us. kimberly i'm not sure if - trump. david, stay with us. kimberly i'm not sure if you heard what david had to say. do you agree with all of that in terms of the process and the distraction factor? j terms of the process and the distraction factor?— distraction factor? i do. certainly _ distraction factor? i do. certainly l _ distraction factor? i do. certainly i don't - distraction factor? i do. certainly i don't think. distraction factor? i do. | certainly i don't think it's distraction factor? i do. i certainly i don't think it's a distraction from the ability to do the — distraction from the ability to

do the business of the senate. it do the business of the senate. it looks— do the business of the senate. it looks like joe biden has made _ it looks like joe biden has made the decision to stay out of the — made the decision to stay out of the political fray. not commented on it, focus on the crisis _ commented on it, focus on the crisis of— commented on it, focus on the crisis of covid, focus on climate _ crisis of covid, focus on climate change, the economy. there — climate change, the economy. there is — climate change, the economy. there isjust a lot of haemorrhaging of major issues in the — haemorrhaging of major issues in the united states and he is doing — in the united states and he is doing that while his former colleagues in the senate are marching along doing their constitutional duty. republicans are at this crossroad as david indicated. where — crossroad as david indicated. where some donald trump supporters, as long as there is in next — supporters, as long as there is in next to— supporters, as long as there is in next to the name they are devoted _ in next to the name they are devoted. but others want to go back— devoted. but others want to go back to — devoted. but others want to go back to the party of lincoln. want — back to the party of lincoln. want to _ back to the party of lincoln. want to go back to fiscal conservatism, family values, strong — conservatism, family values, strong national securities, good _ strong national securities, good foreign relations. and of course — good foreign relations. and of course we've also heard that many — course we've also heard that many corporations had that have funded _ many corporations had that have funded some of these republican campaigns have pulled out or stayed — campaigns have pulled out or stayed their support because of what _ stayed their support because of what happened onjanuary six.

and so— what happened onjanuary six. and so there's stalwart trump supporters in the wake of that. after— supporters in the wake of that. after a — supporters in the wake of that. after a case called citizen united _ after a case called citizen united to the united states were — united to the united states were corporate money isjust flooded — were corporate money isjust flooded into campaigns, that $ is a big — flooded into campaigns, that $ is a big factor as well in terms _ is a big factor as well in terms of— is a big factor as well in terms of where the republicans caucus— terms of where the republicans caucus goes in order to maintain their own power and -et maintain their own power and get the — maintain their own power and get the power back. our individual power and get the power— individual power and get the power back for the party in the two. _ power back for the party in the two. three _ power back for the party in the two, three branches of government that they lost under donald _ government that they lost under donald trump.— donald trump. barbara, 'ust to ick u- donald trump. barbara, 'ust to pick up with i donald trump. barbara, 'ust to pick up with you i donald trump. barbara, 'ust to pick up with you again. _ donald trump. barbara, just to pick up with you again. is - donald trump. barbara, just to pick up with you again. is this i pick up with you again. is this something that has been screen live across all nets? i something that has been screen live across all nets?— live across all nets? i would assume _ live across all nets? i would assume so- _ live across all nets? i would assume so. yes, _ live across all nets? i would assume so. yes, i- live across all nets? i would assume so. yes, i think - live across all nets? i would i assume so. yes, i think there will be a fair bit of interest and notjust this incident but the trial as it evolves. there is focus on it. we do have a comment here. mr biden hasjust spoken and he said he thinks impeachment has to happen or the trial has to happen but he said he doesn't think 17

republican senators will vote to convict trump. there is that scepticism already. which i think has been widely echoed in other reports as well. it is different than the first impeachment in that you do have in the house tent republicans voting for impeachment. you do have senators not lining up strictly behind mr trump as they did before. as we know jurors are politicians. and they are looking at the political landscape. and the grassroots of the party is very strongly behind mr trump. and there has been action taken or at least talked about in the grass roots officials in the states to punish those who voted for impeachment. they have their eye very firmly on that. threats are being challenged. in the primaries for example, threats of censure votes and that sort of thing. the question is, many of them may want to step back from mr trump and what he means for the party and what his grip on the party and what his grip on the

party is. but voting for impeachment might not do that. it might split the party instead. i think that's the concern. and they might suffer politically. that is all something that they have to think about as they decide how they are going to vote. one of they are going to vote. one of the approaches has been to talk about the procedure rather than the substance. more and more we are hearing from republican senators that it's unconstitutional to try a president after he's no longer in office. carefully spoke to that earlier, there are legal arguments on both sides. although the weight of opinion is that it is constitutional. the constitution doesn't actually direct addresses directly from that that is one—way for republicans to take a more procedural objection to attach and then substantively. you mentioned before thejurors are witnesses. the they were there during the attack on the capitol building. it was very traumatic them. an actual fact, some of the republicans are voting in the house said they didn't know if mr trump had

legally incited the mob. but what they thought was that he had not called it off. and that was enough for a couple of them at least one i remember it maybe two to say i had to vote for vote for impeachment for that reason. i think that will also be a big part of the evidence that the democrats bring. evidence that the democrats brini. �* , ., , evidence that the democrats brini.�* , bring. and five people lost their lives. _ bring. and five people lost their lives. a _ bring. and five people lost their lives. a final - bring. and five people lost their lives. a final thought| their lives. a final thought from you david. it sounds then that this isn't going to go through. this isjust through. this is just symbolism. through. this isjust symbolism. and isn't there a danger that that sort of detracts from the whole impeachment process? because it's not going to actually have any effect. itjust going to be played out publicly as some sort of performance rather than actually bringing about any sort of, legal change. first, i'm not sure _ sort of, legal change. first, i'm not sure that _ sort of, legal change. first, i'm not sure that it - sort of, legal change. first, i'm not sure that it is - sort of, legal change. first, i'm not sure that it isjust . i'm not sure that it isjust symbolism _ i'm not sure that it isjust symbolism or— i'm not sure that it isjust symbolism orjust - i'm not sure that it isjust- symbolism orjust performative. symbolism or just performative. because — symbolism or just performative. because in— symbolism orjust performative. because in impeachment- symbolism orjust performative. because in impeachment is- because in impeachment is itself— because in impeachment is itself a _ because in impeachment is itself a rebuke. _ because in impeachment is

itself a rebuke. this - because in impeachment is. itself a rebuke. this happens so rarely— itself a rebuke. this happens so rarely an— itself a rebuke. this happens so rarely an american - itself a rebuke. this happensl so rarely an american history. and _ so rarely an american history. and a — so rarely an american history. and a vote _ so rarely an american history. and a vote that _ so rarely an american history. and a vote that has _ so rarely an american history. and a vote that has any- so rarely an american history. - and a vote that has any members of the _ and a vote that has any members of the presidents _ and a vote that has any members of the presidents own _ and a vote that has any members of the presidents own party- and a vote that has any members of the presidents own party to - of the presidents own party to convict — of the presidents own party to convict is _ of the presidents own party to convict is a _ of the presidents own party to convict is a very— of the presidents own party to convict is a very serious - convict is a very serious matter— convict is a very serious matter and _ convict is a very serious matter and will- convict is a very serious matter and will be - convict is a very seriousl matter and will be taken convict is a very serious - matter and will be taken quite seriously _ matter and will be taken quite seriously. that's _ matter and will be taken quite seriously. that's the - matter and will be taken quite seriously. that's the first - seriously. that's the first thing _ seriously. that's the first thing the _ seriously. that's the first thing. the second - seriously. that's the first thing. the second thing i seriously. that's the first i thing. the second thing is, don't — thing. the second thing is, don't rule _ thing. the second thing is, don't rule out _ thing. the second thing is, don't rule out conviction. thing. the second thing is, i don't rule out convictionjust yet~ — don't rule out convictionjust yet i— don't rule out convictionjust yet~ iwas— don't rule out convictionjust yet. i was one _ don't rule out convictionjust yet. i was one of— don't rule out convictionjust yet. i was one of those - 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