and heard deeply unsettling evidence of the human capacity for evil. in china, horrifying news emerged of atrocities against the muslim uighurs. in russia, thousands were arrested for protesting in support of alexei navalny. and in myanmar, aung san suu kyi and civilian leaders were put in detention in a military coup. but — there is a new leader in the white house, which, for many, is grounds for hope, and across the world we see almost unbelievable acts of individual bravery from those who will not be cowed. with me this week are the china expert isabel hilton, the commissioning editor of the mail on sunday, ian birrell... and here in the studio, at a safe social distance, the bbc�*s chief international correspondent lyse doucet. welcome to you all. thank you so much forjoining us. first, can i ask a brief reaction tojoe biden�*s speech — what do you take from it? is it isita is it a big reset quiz night he was,

predictably, still tough on china? some things won't change and he does have much wiggle room on china because this was a bipartisan area of concern before trump and that remains and given xi jinping's new authoritarianism which has been building since he came to power in 2012, i think it is very difficult for any american leader given, you know, the challenge that china is offering, he couldn't get away with it in congress, for one thing, even if he wanted to. it is something that they are just going to have to square up to. but part of his difficulty will be re—establishing america's credibility as an ally afterfour america's credibility as an ally after four years of america's credibility as an ally afterfour years of trump america's credibility as an ally after four years of trump and given that china works a lot through trade and investment and how complicated trade deals are for a democratic president given by den's narrow wiggle room in congress i think that is going to be a little bit complicated and then there are the

big questions and where they fit in. john kerry has said that he wants to carve out climate change. it remains to be seen whether china will allow climate change to be separated from other potential issues. ian. climate change to be separated from other potential issues.— other potential issues. ian, what was our other potential issues. ian, what was your one _ other potential issues. ian, what was your one takeaway - other potential issues. ian, what was your one takeaway from - other potential issues. ian, what was your one takeaway from the | other potential issues. ian, what. was your one takeaway from the big bite and speech? it was your one takeaway from the big bite and speech?— bite and speech? it was interesting to see the approach _ bite and speech? it was interesting to see the approach to _ bite and speech? it was interesting to see the approach to russia - bite and speech? it was interesting | to see the approach to russia which has always— to see the approach to russia which has always been a nerve problem for american _ has always been a nerve problem for american presidents and it was more of a reset_ american presidents and it was more of a reset from american policy backs _ of a reset from american policy backs was _ of a reset from american policy backs was the pre—trump ever with a firm line _ backs was the pre—trump ever with a firm line on_ backs was the pre—trump ever with a firm line on things like the navalny issue _ firm line on things like the navalny issue and _ firm line on things like the navalny issue and human rights abuse and what _ issue and human rights abuse and what america would see as a wrongful behaviour_ what america would see as a wrongful behaviour but, equally, i handing off to— behaviour but, equally, i handing off to try— behaviour but, equally, i handing off to try to restart the pokes process — off to try to restart the pokes process on things like missile controls — process on things like missile controls on these new start treaty is so _ controls on these new start treaty is so in _ controls on these new start treaty is so in a — controls on these new start treaty is so in a way it was a return to a more _ is so in a way it was a return to a more traditional american stance which _ more traditional american stance which i _ more traditional american stance which i suspect is what we are going to see _ which i suspect is what we are going to see with— which i suspect is what we are going to see with much of the biden presidency. to see with much of the biden presidency-—

presidency. and, a lot of asia-pacific _ presidency. and, a lot of asia-pacific focus - presidency. and, a lot of asia-pacific focus but . presidency. and, a lot of| asia-pacific focus but the presidency. and, a lot of- asia-pacific focus but the middle asia—pacific focus but the middle eastis asia—pacific focus but the middle east is always a strategic part of the wealth of us and what did you take the mick? i the wealth of us and what did you take the mick?— take the mick? i was interested in what he decided _ take the mick? i was interested in what he decided to _ take the mick? i was interested in what he decided to focus - take the mick? i was interested in what he decided to focus on - take the mick? i was interested in what he decided to focus on in - take the mick? i was interested in j what he decided to focus on in the most _ what he decided to focus on in the most detaii— what he decided to focus on in the most detail in _ what he decided to focus on in the most detail in his _ what he decided to focus on in the most detail in his first _ what he decided to focus on in the most detail in his first statement. | most detail in his first statement. he did _ most detail in his first statement. he did not — most detail in his first statement. he did not mention— most detail in his first statement. he did not mention the _ most detail in his first statement. he did not mention the iran - most detail in his first statement. i he did not mention the iran nuclear deal because — he did not mention the iran nuclear deal because his _ he did not mention the iran nuclear deal because his converse - he did not mention the iran nuclear deal because his converse is - he did not mention the iran nuclear| deal because his converse is divided in his— deal because his converse is divided in his own _ deal because his converse is divided in his own administration _ deal because his converse is divided in his own administration didn't - in his own administration didn't know— in his own administration didn't know what— in his own administration didn't know what to _ in his own administration didn't know what to do. _ in his own administration didn't know what to do. he _ in his own administration didn't know what to do. he didn't - in his own administration didn't know what to do. he didn't talk about— know what to do. he didn't talk about afghanistan— know what to do. he didn't talk about afghanistan which, - know what to do. he didn't talkl about afghanistan which, again, know what to do. he didn't talk- about afghanistan which, again, his administration _ about afghanistan which, again, his administration does _ about afghanistan which, again, his administration does not _ about afghanistan which, again, his administration does not will - about afghanistan which, again, his administration does not will know. administration does not will know what _ administration does not will know what to— administration does not will know what to do — administration does not will know what to do he _ administration does not will know what to do. he chose _ administration does not will know what to do. he chose yemen. - administration does not will know. what to do. he chose yemen. there have _ what to do. he chose yemen. there have been_ what to do. he chose yemen. there have been months— what to do. he chose yemen. there have been months of— what to do. he chose yemen. there have been months of bipartisan- have been months of bipartisan sopport— have been months of bipartisan sopport in— have been months of bipartisan support in resolutions- have been months of bipartisan support in resolutions in- have been months of bipartisan. support in resolutions in congress caiiing _ support in resolutions in congress calling on— support in resolutions in congress calling on the _ support in resolutions in congress calling on the united _ support in resolutions in congress calling on the united states - support in resolutions in congress calling on the united states to - support in resolutions in congressi calling on the united states to end military— calling on the united states to end military sopport _ calling on the united states to end military support to _ calling on the united states to end military support to the _ calling on the united states to end military support to the saudi - calling on the united states to end military support to the saudi led . military support to the saudi led coalition— military support to the saudi led coalition and _ military support to the saudi led coalition and in _ military support to the saudi led coalition and in the _ military support to the saudi led coalition and in the one - military support to the saudi led. coalition and in the one president trump _ coalition and in the one president trump ignored _ coalition and in the one president trump ignored them _ coalition and in the one president trump ignored them largely- coalition and in the one president trump ignored them largely and i coalition and in the one president. trump ignored them largely and so biden— trump ignored them largely and so biden has— trump ignored them largely and so biden has picked _ trump ignored them largely and so biden has picked the _ trump ignored them largely and so biden has picked the button- trump ignored them largely and so biden has picked the button to - trump ignored them largely and so biden has picked the button to say| biden has picked the button to say he wants— biden has picked the button to say he wants to — biden has picked the button to say he wants to end _ biden has picked the button to say he wants to end the _ biden has picked the button to say he wants to end the war— biden has picked the button to say he wants to end the war and - biden has picked the button to say he wants to end the war and end l he wants to end the war and end support— he wants to end the war and end sopport for— he wants to end the war and end support for offensive _ he wants to end the war and end support for offensive operationsl he wants to end the war and end - support for offensive operations and engaging _ support for offensive operations and engaging diplomatically— support for offensive operations and engaging diplomatically and - support for offensive operations and engaging diplomatically and it - support for offensive operations and engaging diplomatically and it was l engaging diplomatically and it was probably— engaging diplomatically and it was probably the — engaging diplomatically and it was probably the one _ engaging diplomatically and it was probably the one issue _ engaging diplomatically and it was probably the one issue where - engaging diplomatically and it was probably the one issue where he l engaging diplomatically and it was i probably the one issue where he was welcomed _ probably the one issue where he was welcomed across _ probably the one issue where he was welcomed across the _ probably the one issue where he was welcomed across the board. - probably the one issue where he was welcomed across the board. it - probably the one issue where he was welcomed across the board. it will i welcomed across the board. it will be hard _ welcomed across the board. it will

be hard to— welcomed across the board. it will be hard to end _ welcomed across the board. it will be hard to end the _ welcomed across the board. it will be hard to end the big _ welcomed across the board. it will be hard to end the big war- welcomed across the board. it will be hard to end the big war againstj be hard to end the big war against the saudi — be hard to end the big war against the saudi ted _ be hard to end the big war against the saudi led coalition— be hard to end the big war against the saudi led coalition backed - be hard to end the big war against the saudi led coalition backed by. the saudi led coalition backed by the saudi led coalition backed by the west— the saudi led coalition backed by the west back _ the saudi led coalition backed by the west back in _ the saudi led coalition backed by the west back in the _ the saudi led coalition backed by the west back in the east - the saudi led coalition backed byj the west back in the east yemen government— the west back in the east yemen government against— the west back in the east yemen government against these - the west back in the east yemen government against these to - the west back in the east yemen| government against these to iran the west back in the east yemen - government against these to iran but ten years— government against these to iran but ten years after — government against these to iran but ten years after the _ government against these to iran but ten years after the war _ government against these to iran but ten years after the war started - ten years after the war started there — ten years after the war started there were _ ten years after the war started there were so _ ten years after the war started there were so many— ten years after the war started there were so many small- ten years after the war started i there were so many small walls ten years after the war started - there were so many small walls that have to _ there were so many small walls that have to be _ there were so many small walls that have to be ended. _ there were so many small walls that have to be ended. big _ there were so many small walls that have to be ended. big job _ there were so many small walls that have to be ended. big job that- there were so many small walls that have to be ended. big job that he i there were so many small walls that have to be ended. big job that he is| have to be ended. big job that he is taking _ have to be ended. big job that he is taking the _ have to be ended. big job that he is taking the first _ have to be ended. big job that he is taking the first step. _ have to be ended. big job that he is taking the first step. that— have to be ended. big 'ob that he is taking the first step._ taking the first step. that is a bi , taking the first step. that is a big. global. _ taking the first step. that is a big, global, quick— taking the first step. that is a big, global, quick look- taking the first step. that is a big, global, quick look acrossj taking the first step. that is a - big, global, quick look across many parts of the world but i want to pick up one theme this week which is really struck me. it has been the incredible bravery of those who take a stand forjustice, for what they believe in, whether in china, russia or myanmar. in china, the bbc reported horrifying accounts of atrocities against muslim uighur women — the story coming to light because of one woman daring to speak out. isobel, it's difficut to read the accounts of mass rape against uighur wome. it is difficult to read let alone imagine what people are going through. why, in your view, imagine what people are going through. why, in yourview, is imagine what people are going through. why, in your view, is china so resolute in his action? it is

through. why, in your view, is china so resolute in his action?— so resolute in his action? it is a totalising _ so resolute in his action? it is a totalising policy. _ so resolute in his action? it is a totalising policy. i— so resolute in his action? it is a totalising policy. i mean, - so resolute in his action? it is a totalising policy. i mean, we i so resolute in his action? it is a| totalising policy. i mean, we are effectively saying an attempt to eradicate the separate identity of the people who are a turkic people with a different language, a different culture, a different history from china. they are not, you know, in any sense, culturally chinese. this territory was only conquered by military conquest in the late 19th century. in the 20th century, several moves to the established independence and impertinent approach by the party. the party had very much a soviet approach to minorities within its borders for a long time. you know, which was to give them notional autonomy. that could have worked. but we are in a different china now. we are in a china that is trying to claim, you know, 5000 years of unchanging history. china is eternal, immutable. and these people, with their notable differences, i have i have a

problem, so we have seen since 2012, effectively a cultural genocide going on in xinjiang. —— are a problem. and, as your correspondent well knows, when you have policies like that women become a major victim. like that women become a ma'or victim. , , , ., ., victim. let me 'ust bring you and because the _ victim. let me just bring you and because the bbc— victim. let me just bring you and because the bbc has _ victim. let me just bring you and because the bbc has obviously . victim. let me just bring you and l because the bbc has obviously had some criticism from china in reporting the story? ads, some criticism from china in reporting the story?- reporting the story? a lot of criticism from _ reporting the story? a lot of criticism from china - reporting the story? a lot of. criticism from china reporting reporting the story? a lot of- criticism from china reporting the story— criticism from china reporting the story and — criticism from china reporting the story and in— criticism from china reporting the story and in how _ criticism from china reporting the story and in how we _ criticism from china reporting the story and in how we have - criticism from china reporting the i story and in how we have responded to the _ story and in how we have responded to the codd-19— story and in how we have responded to the covid—19 crisis _ story and in how we have responded to the covid—19 crisis but _ story and in how we have responded to the covid—19 crisis but that - story and in how we have responded to the covid—19 crisis but that is - to the covid—19 crisis but that is journalism, _ to the covid—19 crisis but that is journalism, asking _ to the covid—19 crisis but that is journalism, asking questions i to the covid—19 crisis but that is. journalism, asking questions and trying _ journalism, asking questions and trying to— journalism, asking questions and trying to get _ journalism, asking questions and trying to get answers. _ journalism, asking questions and trying to get answers. it - journalism, asking questions and trying to get answers. it is - trying to get answers. it is interesting _ trying to get answers. it is interesting that— trying to get answers. it is interesting that the - trying to get answers. it is interesting that the latest| trying to get answers. it is i interesting that the latest is the antony— interesting that the latest is the antony blinken, _ interesting that the latest is the antony blinken, the _ interesting that the latest is the antony blinken, the us- interesting that the latest is the. antony blinken, the us secretary interesting that the latest is the i antony blinken, the us secretary of state _ antony blinken, the us secretary of state has _ antony blinken, the us secretary of state has called _ antony blinken, the us secretary of state has called his— antony blinken, the us secretary of state has called his chinese - state has called his chinese counterpart _ state has called his chinese counterpart to _ state has called his chinese counterpart to say - state has called his chinese counterpart to say that, i state has called his chinesej counterpart to say that, you state has called his chinese - counterpart to say that, you know, we have _ counterpart to say that, you know, we have got— counterpart to say that, you know, we have got to _ counterpart to say that, you know, we have got to do _ counterpart to say that, you know, we have got to do something i counterpart to say that, you know, l we have got to do something about this and _ we have got to do something about this and it — we have got to do something about this and it was _ we have got to do something about this and it was very— we have got to do something about this and it was very much _ we have got to do something about this and it was very much on - this and it was very much on president _ this and it was very much on president biden's_ this and it was very much on president biden's speech i this and it was very much on president biden's speech as| this and it was very much on i president biden's speech as well. whether— president biden's speech as well. whether voices _ president biden's speech as well. whether voices are _ president biden's speech as well. whether voices are silent - president biden's speech as well. whether voices are silent has i president biden's speech as well. i whether voices are silent has been from _ whether voices are silent has been from the _ whether voices are silent has been from the muslim _ whether voices are silent has been from the muslim world. _ whether voices are silent has been from the muslim world. the - whether voices are silent has been from the muslim world. the 0ici whether voices are silent has been from the muslim world. the 0ic in| from the muslim world. the 0ic in 2019 came — from the muslim world. the 0ic in 2019 came up _ from the muslim world. the 0ic in 2019 came up with _ from the muslim world. the 0ic in 2019 came up with a _ from the muslim world. the 0ic in 2019 came up with a statement, . from the muslim world. the 0ic in. 2019 came up with a statement, the organisation — 2019 came up with a statement, the organisation of _ 2019 came up with a statement, the organisation of islamic _ 2019 came up with a statement, the organisation of islamic states, i organisation of islamic states, commending _ organisation of islamic states, commending china _ organisation of islamic states, commending china for- organisation of islamic states,

commending china for taking. organisation of islamic states, i commending china for taking care organisation of islamic states, - commending china for taking care of its muslim _ commending china for taking care of its muslim population. _ commending china for taking care of its muslim population. the - commending china for taking care of its muslim population. the only, i its muslim population. the only, really. _ its muslim population. the only, really. muslim _ its muslim population. the only, really, muslim majority- its muslim population. the only, really, muslim majority countryl really, muslim majority country which _ really, muslim majority country which is — really, muslim majority country which is spoken— really, muslim majority country which is spoken out _ really, muslim majority country which is spoken out and - really, muslim majority country i which is spoken out and criticised has been — which is spoken out and criticised has been turkey, _ which is spoken out and criticised has been turkey, but _ which is spoken out and criticised has been turkey, but now- which is spoken out and criticised has been turkey, but now there i which is spoken out and criticised i has been turkey, but now there are some _ has been turkey, but now there are some reports— has been turkey, but now there are some reports that, _ has been turkey, but now there are some reports that, well, _ has been turkey, but now there are some reports that, well, china i has been turkey, but now there are some reports that, well, china is. some reports that, well, china is the biggest — some reports that, well, china is the biggest supplier— some reports that, well, china is the biggest supplier of— some reports that, well, china is the biggest supplier of vaccines i some reports that, well, china is. the biggest supplier of vaccines to turkey— the biggest supplier of vaccines to turkey and — the biggest supplier of vaccines to turkey and while _ the biggest supplier of vaccines to turkey and while china _ the biggest supplier of vaccines to turkey and while china says - the biggest supplier of vaccines to turkey and while china says no, i the biggest supplier of vaccines to i turkey and while china says no, no, no, we _ turkey and while china says no, no, no, we won't — turkey and while china says no, no, no, we won't put _ turkey and while china says no, no, no, we won't put vaccines _ turkey and while china says no, no, no, we won't put vaccines and i no, we won't put vaccines and foreign — no, we won't put vaccines and foreign policy— no, we won't put vaccines and foreign policy together, - no, we won't put vaccines and foreign policy together, there| no, we won't put vaccines and l foreign policy together, there is some _ foreign policy together, there is some concern— foreign policy together, there is some concern that _ foreign policy together, there is some concern that turkey- foreign policy together, there is some concern that turkey too . foreign policy together, there is i some concern that turkey too could false some concern that turkey too could faise isiand — some concern that turkey too could false island and _ some concern that turkey too could false island and that _ some concern that turkey too could false island and that is _ some concern that turkey too could false island and that is why, - some concern that turkey too could false island and that is why, i- false island and that is why, i mean. — false island and that is why, i mean. as— false island and that is why, i mean, as isabel— false island and that is why, i mean, as isabel knows, i false island and that is why, i mean, as isabel knows, the i false island and that is why, i- mean, as isabel knows, the whole uighur— mean, as isabel knows, the whole uighur crisis — mean, as isabel knows, the whole uighur crisis shows— mean, as isabel knows, the whole uighur crisis shows the _ mean, as isabel knows, the whole uighur crisis shows the rising - uighur crisis shows the rising ascendancy— uighur crisis shows the rising ascendancy of— uighur crisis shows the rising ascendancy of china's - uighur crisis shows the rising ascendancy of china's with i uighur crisis shows the rising i ascendancy of china's with one uighur crisis shows the rising - ascendancy of china's with one of its biggest — ascendancy of china's with one of its biggest investment— ascendancy of china's with one of its biggest investment folder- ascendancy of china's with one of| its biggest investment folder shall make _ its biggest investment folder shall make pror'ects _ its biggest investment folder shall make pror'ects in _ its biggest investment folder shall make projects in the _ its biggest investment folder shall make projects in the world, - its biggest investment folder shall make projects in the world, the i its biggest investment folder shall. make projects in the world, the road initiative. _ make projects in the world, the road initiative, countries— make projects in the world, the road initiative, countries don't _ make projects in the world, the road initiative, countries don't want - make projects in the world, the road initiative, countries don't want to . initiative, countries don't want to criticise _ initiative, countries don't want to criticise china _ initiative, countries don't want to criticise china for— initiative, countries don't want to criticise china for fear _ initiative, countries don't want to criticise china for fear of - criticise china for fear of repercussions. - criticise china for fear of repercussions.— criticise china for fear of repercussions. criticise china for fear of re ercussions. ,, l, l, repercussions. you followed the whole covid _ repercussions. you followed the whole covid investigation - repercussions. you followed the whole covid investigation very i whole covid investigation very closely with china but when you've read this account on the way some uighur women have been treated and attacked, what are your thoughts? to be honest, it was a very strong story— be honest, it was a very strong story by— be honest, it was a very strong story by the bbc. i went to sweden and spoke — story by the bbc. i went to sweden and spoke to a kazakhstan woman who

was also _ and spoke to a kazakhstan woman who was also in _ and spoke to a kazakhstan woman who was also in the camps and so the sorts— was also in the camps and so the sorts of— was also in the camps and so the sorts of sexual abuses and atrocities taking place and i have also been — atrocities taking place and i have also been to turkey and spoken to marry— also been to turkey and spoken to many women there who have suffered things— many women there who have suffered things like _ many women there who have suffered things like full sterilisation, fatse — things like full sterilisation, false abortions, even at nine months of pregnancy, —— forced sterilisation,. abortions, so i think— sterilisation,. abortions, so i think it — sterilisation,. abortions, so i think it is _ sterilisation,. abortions, so i think it is striking how grim the details — think it is striking how grim the details are and also we know now a lot details are and also we know now a tot of— details are and also we know now a tot of what — details are and also we know now a lot of what is going on. xi jinping has ramped up the oppression and nrade _ has ramped up the oppression and nrade tife — has ramped up the oppression and made life utterly intolerable as he tries to _ made life utterly intolerable as he tries to wipe out separate people and, _ tries to wipe out separate people and, really, it isjust such a clear issue _ and, really, it isjust such a clear issue a _ and, really, it isjust such a clear issue a genocide taking place which people _ issue a genocide taking place which people have to be strong against and have to _ people have to be strong against and have to stand up against, even if that results, i think, have to stand up against, even if that results, ithink, in have to stand up against, even if that results, i think, in economic damage — that results, i think, in economic damage to — that results, i think, in economic damage to their own countries. in damage to their own countries. in terms damage to their own countries. terms of damage to their own countries. in terms of why the middle east countries are not getting more involved and haven't got more involved and haven't got more involved in this question, you know, apart from chinese influence and power, is there any other reason? because that has been a question

many have raised.— many have raised. well, there is this, many have raised. well, there is this. take _ many have raised. well, there is this, take for _ many have raised. well, there is this, take for example _ many have raised. well, there is this, take for example pakistan, j this, take for example pakistan, which _ this, take for example pakistan, which is — this, take for example pakistan, which is very— this, take for example pakistan, which is very close _ this, take for example pakistan, which is very close relations - this, take for example pakistan, j which is very close relations with china, _ which is very close relations with china, decades _ which is very close relations with china, decades of— which is very close relations with china, decades of being - which is very close relations with china, decades of being very, i which is very close relations with i china, decades of being very, very close _ china, decades of being very, very close partners. _ china, decades of being very, very close partners, partly— china, decades of being very, very close partners, partly because - china, decades of being very, very close partners, partly because of. close partners, partly because of their— close partners, partly because of their problems _ close partners, partly because of their problems with _ close partners, partly because of their problems with india, - close partners, partly because of their problems with india, wheni close partners, partly because of. their problems with india, when the prime _ their problems with india, when the prime minister— their problems with india, when the prime minister was _ their problems with india, when the prime minister was first _ their problems with india, when the prime minister was first asked - their problems with india, when the | prime minister was first asked about it he said _ prime minister was first asked about it he said well, — prime minister was first asked about it he said well, i— prime minister was first asked about it he said well, i don't _ prime minister was first asked about it he said well, idon't know- it he said well, i don't know anything _ it he said well, i don't know anything about— it he said well, i don't know anything about this - it he said well, i don't know anything about this and - it he said well, i don't know. anything about this and when it he said well, i don't know- anything about this and when he was asked _ anything about this and when he was asked again — anything about this and when he was asked again by— anything about this and when he was asked again by another— anything about this and when he was asked again by anotherjournalist - anything about this and when he was asked again by anotherjournalist he| asked again by anotherjournalist he said well, _ asked again by anotherjournalist he said well, my— asked again by anotherjournalist he said well, my ate _ asked again by anotherjournalist he said well, my ate up— asked again by anotherjournalist he said well, my ate up the _ asked again by anotherjournalist he said well, my ate up the brief- asked again by anotherjournalist he said well, my ate up the brief me i asked again by anotherjournalist he| said well, my ate up the brief me on it and _ said well, my ate up the brief me on it and when— said well, my ate up the brief me on it and when he— said well, my ate up the brief me on it and when he was— said well, my ate up the brief me on it and when he was asked _ said well, my ate up the brief me on it and when he was asked again - said well, my ate up the brief me on it and when he was asked again at. it and when he was asked again at the world — it and when he was asked again at the world economic _ it and when he was asked again at the world economic forum - it and when he was asked again at the world economic forum he - it and when he was asked again at| the world economic forum he said well, _ the world economic forum he said well, china — the world economic forum he said well, china helped _ the world economic forum he said well, china helped us _ the world economic forum he said well, china helped us out - the world economic forum he said well, china helped us out when . the world economic forum he saidj well, china helped us out when we were _ well, china helped us out when we were drought, _ well, china helped us out when we were drought, down _ well, china helped us out when we were drought, down so _ well, china helped us out when we were drought, down so we're - well, china helped us out when we were drought, down so we're not i were drought, down so we're not going _ were drought, down so we're not going to — were drought, down so we're not going to help— were drought, down so we're not going to help them. _ were drought, down so we're not going to help them. how- were drought, down so we're not going to help them. how d0 - were drought, down so we're notj going to help them. how d0 vba were drought, down so we're not - going to help them. how d0 vba which was the _ going to help them. how d0 vba which was the custodian _ going to help them. how d0 vba which was the custodian of _ going to help them. how d0 vba which was the custodian of the _ going to help them. how d0 vba which was the custodian of the two _ going to help them. how d0 vba which was the custodian of the two holiest - was the custodian of the two holiest si-ns was the custodian of the two holiest signs in— was the custodian of the two holiest signs in is— was the custodian of the two holiest signs in is land _ was the custodian of the two holiest signs in is land they— was the custodian of the two holiest signs in is land they have _ was the custodian of the two holiest signs in is land they have not- signs in is land they have not spoken— signs in is land they have not spoken out _ signs in is land they have not spoken out. in— signs in is land they have not spoken out. in a _ signs in is land they have not spoken out. in a sense, - signs in is land they have not spoken out. in a sense, they| signs in is land they have not- spoken out. in a sense, they agree with the _ spoken out. in a sense, they agree with the chinese _ spoken out. in a sense, they agree with the chinese view— spoken out. in a sense, they agree with the chinese view that - spoken out. in a sense, they agree with the chinese view that these i spoken out. in a sense, they agree i with the chinese view that these are internat— with the chinese view that these are internal matters _ with the chinese view that these are internal matters and _ with the chinese view that these are internal matters and we _ with the chinese view that these are internal matters and we should - with the chinese view that these are internal matters and we should noti internal matters and we should not be criticising — internal matters and we should not be criticising but— internal matters and we should not be criticising but as _ internal matters and we should not be criticising but as i _ internal matters and we should not be criticising but as i mentioned i be criticising but as i mentioned earlier— be criticising but as i mentioned earlier they— be criticising but as i mentioned earlier they are _ be criticising but as i mentioned earlier they are also _ be criticising but as i mentioned earlier they are also concerned i earlier they are also concerned about — earlier they are also concerned about china's _ earlier they are also concerned about china's going _ earlier they are also concerned about china's going so- earlier they are also concerned about china's going so in- earlier they are also concerned about china's going so in the l earlier they are also concerned - about china's going so in the world. -- saudi _ about china's going so in the world. -- saudi arabia _ about china's going so in the world. —— saudi arabia which— about china's going so in the world. —— saudi arabia which is— about china's going so in the world. —— saudi arabia which is the - —— saudi arabia which is the custodian _ —— saudi arabia which is the custodian of— —— saudi arabia which is the custodian of the _ —— saudi arabia which is the custodian of the two - —— saudi arabia which is the custodian of the two holiestj —— saudi arabia which is the - custodian of the two holiest sites. but also _ custodian of the two holiest sites. but also clocked _ custodian of the two holiest sites. but also clocked china _ custodian of the two holiest sites. but also clocked china claims - custodian of the two holiest sites. but also clocked china claims thatj but also clocked china claims that the uighurs— but also clocked china claims that the uighurs are _ but also clocked china claims that the uighurs are terrorists - but also clocked china claims that the uighurs are terrorists and - but also clocked china claims that| the uighurs are terrorists and they are fighting — the uighurs are terrorists and they are fighting about _ the uighurs are terrorists and they are fighting about her— the uighurs are terrorists and they are fighting about her and - the uighurs are terrorists and they are fighting about her and in- the uighurs are terrorists and they are fighting about her and in some

ways— are fighting about her and in some ways they— are fighting about her and in some ways they accept _ are fighting about her and in some ways they accept that _ are fighting about her and in some ways they accept that argument i are fighting about her and in some. ways they accept that argument and in so many— ways they accept that argument and in so many of— ways they accept that argument and in so many of these _ ways they accept that argument and in so many of these countries - ways they accept that argument and in so many of these countries such i in so many of these countries such as afghanistan, _ in so many of these countries such as afghanistan, pakistan, - in so many of these countries such as afghanistan, pakistan, turkey. in so many of these countries such i as afghanistan, pakistan, turkey and as afghanistan, pakistan, turkey and a large _ as afghanistan, pakistan, turkey and a large uighur— as afghanistan, pakistan, turkey and a large uighur populations _ as afghanistan, pakistan, turkey and a large uighur populations and - as afghanistan, pakistan, turkey and a large uighur populations and very. a large uighur populations and very secretiv— a large uighur populations and very secretty a _ a large uighur populations and very secretty a tot — a large uighur populations and very secretly a lot of— a large uighur populations and very secretly a lot of countries _ a large uighur populations and very secretly a lot of countries have - secretly a lot of countries have sent _ secretly a lot of countries have sent uighurs _ secretly a lot of countries have sent uighurs back— secretly a lot of countries have sent uighurs back and - secretly a lot of countries have sent uighurs back and now- secretly a lot of countries have i sent uighurs back and now there secretly a lot of countries have - sent uighurs back and now there is a concern _ sent uighurs back and now there is a concern that — sent uighurs back and now there is a concern that the _ sent uighurs back and now there is a concern that the large _ sent uighurs back and now there is a concern that the large uighur- concern that the large uighur community— concern that the large uighur community and _ concern that the large uighur community and turkey - concern that the large uighur community and turkey could | concern that the large uighur- community and turkey could also be sent back _ community and turkey could also be sent back. there _ community and turkey could also be sent back. there is _ community and turkey could also be sent back. there is a _ community and turkey could also be sent back. there is a discussion- community and turkey could also be sent back. there is a discussion of. sent back. there is a discussion of an extradition _ sent back. there is a discussion of an extradition bill. _ sent back. there is a discussion of an extradition bill. so _ sent back. there is a discussion of an extradition bill. so it— sent back. there is a discussion of an extradition bill. so it is- sent back. there is a discussion of an extradition bill. so it is still- an extradition bill. so it is still unfotding. _ an extradition bill. so it is still unfotding. you _ an extradition bill. so it is still unfolding, you know, - an extradition bill. so it is still unfolding, you know, as- an extradition bill. so it is still unfolding, you know, as we i an extradition bill. so it is still- unfolding, you know, as we speak. thank_ unfolding, you know, as we speak. thank you — unfolding, you know, as we speak. thank you let _ unfolding, you know, as we speak. thank you. let us _ unfolding, you know, as we speak. thank you. let us move _ unfolding, you know, as we speak. thank you. let us move to - unfolding, you know, as we speak. thank you. let us move to russia, | thank you. let us move to russia, now, where a man who nearly died after being poisoned did not give up and go away, he fought back. this week, alexandre navalny made a heart sign to his wife yulia in the courtroom in moscow as he was sentenced to nearly three years injail. ian, navalny�*s not backing down, but will the protestors keep going? we cannot imagine what navalny is made up to return to this fight. what did you make of those events. it was very moving watching the colour images, i thought? his

bravery is _ colour images, i thought? his bravery is extraordinary to have suffering — bravery is extraordinary to have suffering that poisoning and events in his_ suffering that poisoning and events in his life _ suffering that poisoning and events in his life to then in the lease thai— in his life to then in the lease that extraordinary documentary showing — that extraordinary documentary showing what they allege it to be put in's _ showing what they allege it to be put in's power, a edifice on the black— put in's power, a edifice on the black sea — put in's power, a edifice on the black sea with a and extraordinary wealth _ black sea with a and extraordinary wealth -- — black sea with a and extraordinary wealth. —— putin's palace. in a human— wealth. —— putin's palace. in a human leyei— wealth. —— putin's palace. in a human level the behaviour is extraordinary but it also puts putin in a difficult position on to whether— in a difficult position on to whether he matters this personally simply _ whether he matters this personally simply and he knows there is a positive — simply and he knows there is a positive country and there have been photos _ positive country and there have been photos that have exploded and it is the difference between now and the previous _ the difference between now and the previous potus and i was there in 2011 for— previous potus and i was there in 2011 for the — previous potus and i was there in 2011 for the last loss of her tests and people talk to whether he matters — and people talk to whether he matters this personally simply and he knows — matters this personally simply and he knows there is a positive country and there _ he knows there is a positive country and there have been photos that have exptoded _ and there have been photos that have exploded and it is the difference between — exploded and it is the difference between now and the previous potus and i between now and the previous potus and i was _ between now and the previous potus and i was there in 2011 for the last loss and i was there in 2011 for the last toss of— and i was there in 2011 for the last toss of her— and i was there in 2011 for the last loss of her tests and people talked very energetically about confronting the state _ very energetically about confronting the state grown up in a soviet era, tasted _ the state grown up in a soviet era, tasted the — the state grown up in a soviet era, tasted the fruits of economic growth

travelling _ tasted the fruits of economic growth travelling the world and did not want _ travelling the world and did not want to— travelling the world and did not want to give all that up to take on the straight. this feel slightly different as there is disenchantment amongst _ different as there is disenchantment amongst younger people with the putin— amongst younger people with the putin regime and they have only ever known _ putin regime and they have only ever known this— putin regime and they have only ever known this kind of country and this kind of— known this kind of country and this kind of leadership in their lives and also — kind of leadership in their lives and also one in seven people in russia — and also one in seven people in russia are _ and also one in seven people in russia are beneath the poverty line so to _ russia are beneath the poverty line so to see _ russia are beneath the poverty line so to see those images of the palace and the _ so to see those images of the palace and the behaviour of the oligarchs and the behaviour of the oligarchs and 70 _ and the behaviour of the oligarchs and 70 people are struggling with basic— and 70 people are struggling with basic living conditions and basic standards— basic living conditions and basic standards of listing —— when so many peopte _ standards of listing —— when so many peopte are _ standards of listing —— when so many people are struggling with basic tiving _ people are struggling with basic living conditions. i don't think we are living conditions. idon't think we are on— living conditions. i don't think we are on the — living conditions. i don't think we are on the cusp of saying putin thrown — are on the cusp of saying putin thrown out _ are on the cusp of saying putin thrown out by now but at the same time this— thrown out by now but at the same time this does feel different and does _ time this does feel different and does feel something that navalny has put his— does feel something that navalny has put his finger on and spiked with his constant campaign to expose what they call, _ his constant campaign to expose what they call, you know, the party of thieves — they call, you know, the party of thieves in — they call, you know, the party of thieves in charge.— thieves in charge. isabel, it is strikin: thieves in charge. isabel, it is striking that _ thieves in charge. isabel, it is striking that putin _ thieves in charge. isabel, it is striking that putin still- thieves in charge. isabel, it is striking that putin still has - thieves in charge. isabel, it is i striking that putin still has such popularity, isn't it?— popularity, isn't it? yes, it is, although— popularity, isn't it? yes, it is, although i— popularity, isn't it? yes, it is, although i do _ popularity, isn't it? yes, it is, although i do remember- popularity, isn't it? yes, it is, although i do remember the l popularity, isn't it? yes, it is, - although i do remember the scenes of weeping when the last dictator of

north korea died or indeed mao zedong so, you know, one cannot really account for that kind of popularity as you would in a democratic system where people are free to form and express their own opinions, but i think that ian has kind of put his finger on the question of the dilemmas of putin because if you look up motherly credible people, as a dictator, you tend to enlarge their reputation. think mandela, aung san suu kyi, and navalny is a classic case of this, and the underlying problems which are fed today's discontent are set to continue. you know, russia's economic model is exhausted, 50% of its oil goes to china, china's oil demand is set to peak in 2025, just four years ago away and then decline. putin needs high oil prices and a continuing demand forfossil fuels and he is not going to get it. he is in a dilemma. he is not a motherly credible figure and he

cannot fix the problem that are fuelling discontent.— fuelling discontent. locking up navaln , fuelling discontent. locking up navalny. will _ fuelling discontent. locking up navalny, will it _ fuelling discontent. locking up navalny, will it help _ fuelling discontent. locking up navalny, will it help or- fuelling discontent. locking up navalny, will it help or hinderl navalny, will it help or hinder putin? . , , , ., putin? initially the first question was that the _ putin? initially the first question was that the first _ putin? initially the first question was that the first round - putin? initially the first question was that the first round of - putin? initially the first question l was that the first round of potus, not only— was that the first round of potus, not only with — was that the first round of potus, not only with a _ was that the first round of potus, not only with a bigger— was that the first round of potus, not only with a bigger in _ was that the first round of potus, not only with a bigger in number. was that the first round of potus, l not only with a bigger in number but they were _ not only with a bigger in number but they were in — not only with a bigger in number but they were in places _ not only with a bigger in number but they were in places where _ not only with a bigger in number but they were in places where they - not only with a bigger in number but they were in places where they had i they were in places where they had not been _ they were in places where they had not been potus _ they were in places where they had not been potus before _ they were in places where they had not been potus before white - they were in places where they had not been potus before white it - they were in places where they had | not been potus before white it was that the _ not been potus before white it was that the first — not been potus before white it was that the first round _ not been potus before white it was that the first round of _ not been potus before white it was that the first round of potus, - not been potus before white it was that the first round of potus, not . that the first round of potus, not only with — that the first round of potus, not only with a — that the first round of potus, not only with a bigger— that the first round of potus, not only with a bigger in _ that the first round of potus, not only with a bigger in number- that the first round of potus, not only with a bigger in number but. only with a bigger in number but they were — only with a bigger in number but they were in _ only with a bigger in number but they were in places _ only with a bigger in number but they were in places where - only with a bigger in number but they were in places where they i only with a bigger in number but. they were in places where they had not been _ they were in places where they had not been potus _ they were in places where they had not been potus before _ they were in places where they had not been potus before right - they were in places where they had | not been potus before right across the many— not been potus before right across the many time _ not been potus before right across the many time zones _ not been potus before right across the many time zones was _ not been potus before right across the many time zones was the - not been potus before right across. the many time zones was the question was how— the many time zones was the question was how long — the many time zones was the question was how long can— the many time zones was the question was how long can they _ the many time zones was the question was how long can they continue, - the many time zones was the question was how long can they continue, will. was how long can they continue, will be peter— was how long can they continue, will be peter l _ was how long can they continue, will be peter l -- — was how long can they continue, will be peter l. -- first _ was how long can they continue, will be peter l. —— first round _ was how long can they continue, will be peter l. —— first round of- be peter l. —— first round of protests _ be peter l. —— first round of protests. what _ be peter l. —— first round of protests. what we - be peter l. —— first round of protests. what we have - be peter l. —— first round of. protests. what we have been be peter l. —— first round of- protests. what we have been hearing in the _ protests. what we have been hearing in the last— protests. what we have been hearing in the last day— protests. what we have been hearing in the last day from _ protests. what we have been hearing in the last day from protesters - protests. what we have been hearing in the last day from protesters is - in the last day from protesters is that they— in the last day from protesters is that they are _ in the last day from protesters is that they are hearing _ in the last day from protesters is that they are hearing from - in the last day from protesters is that they are hearing from the l that they are hearing from the navalny — that they are hearing from the navalny team _ that they are hearing from the navalny team is _ that they are hearing from the navalny team is that - that they are hearing from the navalny team is that they- that they are hearing from the | navalny team is that they have decided — navalny team is that they have decided to— navalny team is that they have decided to pull— navalny team is that they have decided to pull back _ navalny team is that they have decided to pull back from - navalny team is that they have decided to pull back from the i navalny team is that they have - decided to pull back from the street protests— decided to pull back from the street protests partly— decided to pull back from the street protests partly because _ decided to pull back from the street protests partly because of - decided to pull back from the street protests partly because of the - protests partly because of the brutality — protests partly because of the brutality of _ protests partly because of the brutality of the _ protests partly because of the brutality of the russian - protests partly because of the i brutality of the russian petites protests partly because of the - brutality of the russian petites but because _ brutality of the russian petites but because they — brutality of the russian petites but because they want _ brutality of the russian petites but because they want to _ brutality of the russian petites but because they want to save - brutality of the russian petites but because they want to save their. brutality of the russian petites butl because they want to save their fire for the _ because they want to save their fire for the upcoming _ because they want to save their fire for the upcoming elections - because they want to save their fire for the upcoming elections and - because they want to save their fire for the upcoming elections and the i for the upcoming elections and the rest of— for the upcoming elections and the rest of the — for the upcoming elections and the rest of the year. _ for the upcoming elections and the rest of the year, saying _ for the upcoming elections and the rest of the year, saying that - for the upcoming elections and the rest of the year, saying that as - rest of the year, saying that as their— rest of the year, saying that as their better _ rest of the year, saying that as their better opportunity - rest of the year, saying that as their better opportunity to - rest of the year, saying that as - their better opportunity to actually -et their better opportunity to actually get a _ their better opportunity to actually get a real— their better opportunity to actually get a real power. _ their better opportunity to actually get a real power, if— their better opportunity to actually get a real power, if you _ their better opportunity to actually get a real power, if you like, - their better opportunity to actually get a real power, if you like, and i get a real power, if you like, and what _ get a real power, if you like, and what has — get a real power, if you like, and what has really _ get a real power, if you like, and what has really being _ get a real power, if you like, and| what has really being remarkable get a real power, if you like, and - what has really being remarkable and this is— what has really being remarkable and this is how—

what has really being remarkable and this is how will— what has really being remarkable and this is how will organise _ what has really being remarkable and this is how will organise the - this is how will organise the navalny— this is how will organise the navalny team _ this is how will organise the navalny team was. - this is how will organise the navalny team was. they- this is how will organise the l navalny team was. they were this is how will organise the - navalny team was. they were all perpetual— navalny team was. they were all perpetual when _ navalny team was. they were all perpetual when he _ navalny team was. they were all perpetual when he came - navalny team was. they were all perpetual when he came back, . navalny team was. they were all i perpetual when he came back, the list of— perpetual when he came back, the list of people — perpetual when he came back, the list of people who _ perpetual when he came back, the list of people who should - perpetual when he came back, the list of people who should be - list of people who should be sanctioned _ list of people who should be sanctioned were _ list of people who should be sanctioned were given - list of people who should be sanctioned were given out, i list of people who should be i sanctioned were given out, the instructions _ sanctioned were given out, the instructions were _ sanctioned were given out, the instructions were given - sanctioned were given out, the instructions were given as - sanctioned were given out, the instructions were given as to l sanctioned were given out, the . instructions were given as to how sanctioned were given out, the - instructions were given as to how to organise _ instructions were given as to how to organise the — instructions were given as to how to organise the protests. _ instructions were given as to how to organise the protests. they- instructions were given as to how to organise the protests. they thought this through — organise the protests. they thought this through. this _ organise the protests. they thought this through. this was _ organise the protests. they thought this through. this was not _ organise the protests. they thought this through. this was not just - organise the protests. they thought this through. this was not just a - this through. this was not just a spontaneous, _ this through. this was not just a spontaneous, impromptu - this through. this was not just a spontaneous, impromptu act. . this through. this was not just a . spontaneous, impromptu act. ian, this through. this was notjust a spontaneous, impromptu act. ian, i do not know— spontaneous, impromptu act. ian, i do not know what _ spontaneous, impromptu act. ian, i do not know what you _ spontaneous, impromptu act. ian, i do not know what you have - spontaneous, impromptu act. ian, i do not know what you have been . do not know what you have been hearing about about whether process will delay the fire but again it was incredible watching people being dragged off the streets this week, young people are willing to give up. it is. it is in many ways quite inspiring _ it is. it is in many ways quite inspiring when you see people fighting — inspiring when you see people fighting for freedom in places like this in— fighting for freedom in places like this in belarus when i was last year when _ this in belarus when i was last year when we _ this in belarus when i was last year when we are — this in belarus when i was last year when we are quite casual in the west about— when we are quite casual in the west about our— when we are quite casual in the west about our own democracies but it was also fascinating to see that even in your cuts _ also fascinating to see that even in your cuts in— also fascinating to see that even in your cuts in the first week when temperatures were below 50 degrees, people _ temperatures were below 50 degrees, people came out in the streets and equally— people came out in the streets and equally there have been thousands of the vests, _ equally there have been thousands of the vests, record numbers of arrests in the _ the vests, record numbers of arrests in the first— the vests, record numbers of arrests in the first week, about 4000, and then more — in the first week, about 4000, and then more the second week and also i saw a _ then more the second week and also i saw a figure _ then more the second week and also i saw a figure of about 82 journalist being _ saw a figure of about 82 journalist being rounded up and these things will trickle through a little bit. i

suspect— will trickle through a little bit. i suspect there will be pulling back now but _ suspect there will be pulling back now but this is an issue which is bubbling — now but this is an issue which is bubbling away very dangerously for the regime. bubbling away very dangerously for the reaime. ,,, bubblinq away very dangerously for the reaime. , bubbling away very dangerously for the reaime. , . the regime. isabel, when we look at that joe the regime. isabel, when we look at that joe itiden _ the regime. isabel, when we look at that joe biden speech, _ the regime. isabel, when we look at that joe biden speech, obviously, i the regime. isabel, when we look at that joe biden speech, obviously, a| thatjoe biden speech, obviously, a very different take on russia compared with his predecessor is what everyone is imagining. how is that going to change the outlook for russia and china? obviously, still much to be seen on that front. again, ithink much to be seen on that front. again, i think that constructs the question of who is credible and want people to aspire to and again before tom and in the long period of the cold war protesting crowds on the street tended to look to western democracies and that has taken a bit of a hammering lately but if biden can restore the idea that there is a kind of moral core at the heart of his government then i think it will give coverage back to people on the streets and they will not feel alone in the face of dictatorships.- in the face of dictatorships. isabel hilton, thank—

in the face of dictatorships. isabel hilton, thank you _ in the face of dictatorships. isabel hilton, thank you very _ in the face of dictatorships. isabel hilton, thank you very much - in the face of dictatorships. isabel i hilton, thank you very much indeed. to another figure of global renown, aung san suu kyi. winner of the nobel peace prize for her enduring fight for democracy in myanmar, her allure was tarnished when she failed to condemn the military actions against the muslim rohingyas. now, the generals who drove that brutal assault are fully in charge of myanmar. so, is this the end of the lady? the lady, is you say, has a very different— the lady, is you say, has a very different reputation. _ the lady, is you say, has a very different reputation. during - the lady, is you say, has a very different reputation. during her many— different reputation. during her many years— different reputation. during her many years of _ different reputation. during her many years of house _ different reputation. during her many years of house arrest - different reputation. during her many years of house arrest shej different reputation. during her- many years of house arrest she was of course _ many years of house arrest she was of course hailed _ many years of house arrest she was of course hailed by _ many years of house arrest she was of course hailed by the _ many years of house arrest she was of course hailed by the world - many years of house arrest she was of course hailed by the world is - many years of house arrest she was of course hailed by the world is a i of course hailed by the world is a pro-democracy— of course hailed by the world is a pro—democracy leader, - of course hailed by the world is a pro—democracy leader, noble . of course hailed by the world is a . pro—democracy leader, noble prize laureate. _ pro—democracy leader, noble prize laureate. people _ pro—democracy leader, noble prize laureate, people flock— pro—democracy leader, noble prize laureate, people flock to _ pro—democracy leader, noble prize laureate, people flock to her- pro—democracy leader, noble prize laureate, people flock to her doori laureate, people flock to her door when _ laureate, people flock to her door when her — laureate, people flock to her door when her house _ laureate, people flock to her door when her house arrest _ laureate, people flock to her door when her house arrest was - laureate, people flock to her door when her house arrest was lifted, | when her house arrest was lifted, when _ when her house arrest was lifted, when martial— when her house arrest was lifted, when martial law _ when her house arrest was lifted, when martial law ended, - when her house arrest was lifted, when martial law ended, so - when her house arrest was lifted, when martial law ended, so it - when her house arrest was lifted, | when martial law ended, so it was interesting — when martial law ended, so it was interesting the _ when martial law ended, so it was interesting the reactions - when martial law ended, so it was interesting the reactions from - when martial law ended, so it was interesting the reactions from the| interesting the reactions from the human— interesting the reactions from the human rights— interesting the reactions from the human rights organisations - interesting the reactions from the human rights organisations who l interesting the reactions from the - human rights organisations who said, well, let's— human rights organisations who said, well, let's put— human rights organisations who said, well, let's put aside _ human rights organisations who said, well, let's put aside our— human rights organisations who said, well, let's put aside our concerns - well, let's put aside our concerns about— well, let's put aside our concerns about where _ well, let's put aside our concerns about where aung _ well, let's put aside our concerns about where aung san _ well, let's put aside our concerns about where aung san suu - well, let's put aside our concerns about where aung san suu kyi i well, let's put aside our concerns i about where aung san suu kyi stands when it _ about where aung san suu kyi stands when it comes — about where aung san suu kyi stands when it comes to _ about where aung san suu kyi stands when it comes to human _ about where aung san suu kyi stands when it comes to human rights - about where aung san suu kyi stands when it comes to human rights for. when it comes to human rights for all the _ when it comes to human rights for all the people _ when it comes to human rights for all the people of— when it comes to human rights for all the people of man _ when it comes to human rights for all the people of man tout - when it comes to human rights for. all the people of man tout myanmar, we condemned —

all the people of man tout myanmar, we condemned the _ all the people of man tout myanmar, we condemned the coup. _ all the people of man tout myanmar, we condemned the coup. they- all the people of man tout myanmar, we condemned the coup. they spent| we condemned the coup. they spent the last— we condemned the coup. they spent the last elections _ we condemned the coup. they spent the last elections by— we condemned the coup. they spent the last elections by the _ we condemned the coup. they spent the last elections by the landslide i the last elections by the landslide still has _ the last elections by the landslide still has a — the last elections by the landslide still has a lot _ the last elections by the landslide still has a lot of— the last elections by the landslide still has a lot of popularity, - the last elections by the landslide still has a lot of popularity, some | still has a lot of popularity, some would _ still has a lot of popularity, some would argue _ still has a lot of popularity, some would argue even _ still has a lot of popularity, some would argue even more _ still has a lot of popularity, some | would argue even more popularity still has a lot of popularity, some i would argue even more popularity and her fight _ would argue even more popularity and her fight for— would argue even more popularity and her fight for democracy— would argue even more popularity and her fight for democracy is _ would argue even more popularity and her fight for democracy is still - her fight for democracy is still very— her fight for democracy is still very popular— her fight for democracy is still very popular and _ her fight for democracy is still very popular and that - her fight for democracy is stillj very popular and that explains her fight for democracy is still l very popular and that explains a her fight for democracy is still i very popular and that explains a lot of why— very popular and that explains a lot of why this — very popular and that explains a lot of why this has _ very popular and that explains a lot of why this has happened _ very popular and that explains a lot of why this has happened with i very popular and that explains a lot of why this has happened with the i of why this has happened with the military— of why this has happened with the military so— of why this has happened with the military so the _ of why this has happened with the military so the world _ of why this has happened with the military so the world will - of why this has happened with the military so the world will still i of why this has happened with the military so the world will still be i military so the world will still be concerned — military so the world will still be concerned about _ military so the world will still be concerned about her, _ military so the world will still be concerned about her, in- military so the world will still be concerned about her, in fact, i military so the world will still be | concerned about her, in fact, we military so the world will still be i concerned about her, in fact, we do not know— concerned about her, in fact, we do not know where _ concerned about her, in fact, we do not know where she _ concerned about her, in fact, we do not know where she is, _ concerned about her, in fact, we do not know where she is, there - concerned about her, in fact, we do not know where she is, there has. not know where she is, there has been _ not know where she is, there has been no — not know where she is, there has been no confirmed _ not know where she is, there has been no confirmed information. not know where she is, there has- been no confirmed information about her whereabouts. _ been no confirmed information about her whereabouts. she _ been no confirmed information about her whereabouts. she is _ been no confirmed information about her whereabouts. she is the - her whereabouts. she is the recognised _ her whereabouts. she is the recognised leader, - her whereabouts. she is the recognised leader, of- her whereabouts. she is the| recognised leader, of people supporting _ recognised leader, of people supporting at _ recognised leader, of people supporting at least _ recognised leader, of people supporting at least a - recognised leader, of people supporting at least a return i recognised leader, of people. supporting at least a return to recognised leader, of people - supporting at least a return to some kind of— supporting at least a return to some kind of democracy— supporting at least a return to some kind of democracy in _ supporting at least a return to some kind of democracy in myanmar. i supporting at least a return to some kind of democracy in myanmar. lamj kind of democracy in myanmar. ian, --eole kind of democracy in myanmar. ian, peeple are — kind of democracy in myanmar. ian, peeple are asking. _ kind of democracy in myanmar. people are asking, how physically safe is aung san suu kyi going to be now? how politically safe? does she have a future? i now? how politically safe? does she have a future?— have a future? i think she certainly has a future _ have a future? i think she certainly has a future but _ have a future? i think she certainly has a future but in _ have a future? i think she certainly has a future but in many _ have a future? i think she certainly has a future but in many ways i have a future? i think she certainly has a future but in many ways butl have a future? i think she certainlyj has a future but in many ways but i find fascinating is that here is a country— find fascinating is that here is a country which crushed democracy in the year— country which crushed democracy in the year that i was born, 1962, then knitters _ the year that i was born, 1962, then knitters had — the year that i was born, 1962, then knitters had brief flirtation over the last— knitters had brief flirtation over the last decade slightly loosening

the last decade slightly loosening the ties— the last decade slightly loosening the ties and at the core of everything is the dilemma identified by winston churchill in the same dilemma — by winston churchill in the same dilemma that putin has and mus of na has all— dilemma that putin has and mus of na has all the _ dilemma that putin has and mus of na has all the leaders of uganda and rwanda _ has all the leaders of uganda and rwanda which is what does a dictator do? how— rwanda which is what does a dictator do? how do— rwanda which is what does a dictator do? how do they get out? churchill called _ do? how do they get out? churchill called it— do? how do they get out? churchill called it like riding a tiger, you cannot— called it like riding a tiger, you cannot get off your the back because if you _ cannot get off your the back because if you do— cannot get off your the back because if you do the system you have created — if you do the system you have created devours you and that is particularly true in a place like myanmar— particularly true in a place like myanmar and a place like russia where _ myanmar and a place like russia where this— myanmar and a place like russia where this incredible corruption and people _ where this incredible corruption and people have stolen a vast sums of money _ people have stolen a vast sums of money it — people have stolen a vast sums of money. it seems from what we know about _ money. it seems from what we know about the _ money. it seems from what we know about the myanmar you that it was really _ about the myanmar you that it was really all _ about the myanmar you that it was really all about protecting the income — really all about protecting the income for a very small group of people _ income for a very small group of people around the generals and it was all— people around the generals and it was all about protecting their assets — was all about protecting their assets and that was why they so figured — assets and that was why they so figured democracy and this is the age-old — figured democracy and this is the age—old dilemma and the problem, i think. _ age—old dilemma and the problem, i think. for— age—old dilemma and the problem, i think, for the worst is when we aimed — think, for the worst is when we aimed at— think, for the worst is when we aimed at propping up some of these regimes, _ aimed at propping up some of these regimes, which we have done in parts of the _ regimes, which we have done in parts of the world, — regimes, which we have done in parts of the world, and we fall for the myth _ of the world, and we fall for the myth that— of the world, and we fall for the myth that the sort of strong person in charge _ myth that the sort of strong person in charge but actually we are creating _ in charge but actually we are creating the systems which are

explosive — creating the systems which are explosive and very hard and when they do— explosive and very hard and when they do erupt, when you try to take they do erupt, when you try to take the person— they do erupt, when you try to take the person of the act of the tiger, they can — the person of the act of the tiger, they can have cataclysmic exclusions in trying _ they can have cataclysmic exclusions in trying to _ they can have cataclysmic exclusions in trying to solve the problems and return— in trying to solve the problems and return to _ in trying to solve the problems and return to democracy or find a way and passed — return to democracy or find a way and passed freedom and looser control— and passed freedom and looser control and more space and civil society— control and more space and civil society -- — control and more space and civil society —— back of the tide, why a way past — society —— back of the tide, why a way past of— society —— back of the tide, why a way past of freedom and looser control— way past of freedom and looser control and more space in civil society— control and more space in civil society -- _ control and more space in civil society —— back of the tiger, why away— society —— back of the tiger, why away to— society —— back of the tiger, why away to more freedom. —— back of the tiger~ _ away to more freedom. -- back of the tier. ~ . ~ away to more freedom. -- back of the tier. ~ . ,, ., away to more freedom. -- back of the tier. ~ ., _ , tiger. might take on the policy is that dictatorships _ tiger. might take on the policy is that dictatorships need - tiger. might take on the policy is that dictatorships need some i tiger. might take on the policy is. that dictatorships need some kind tiger. might take on the policy is i that dictatorships need some kind of legitimation and we have seen 20 years of attempting to legitimise through elections, referendums, evicts constitution, what is the power of the military. they have attacked her landslide victory in november if this sounds familiar from other countries stop me on the grounds of fraud. they wanted to postpone the parliament to investigate that fraud and beak who is the result of not getting that done so i think what they will do

with aung san suu kyi is that they will convict her on these minor criminal charges which will disqualify her from standing in another election and they will then stage some even more controlled elections which will sanctify their power and we will see. she is a very powerful, totemic figure. will this work was much it has not worked in the past, so the game goes on, i think. is the past, so the game goes on, i think. , . . ., the past, so the game goes on, i think. , . . . ., think. is it clear that china definitely _ think. is it clear that china definitely fully _ think. is it clear that china definitely fully backing i think. is it clear that china definitely fully backing the think. is it clear that china i definitely fully backing the moshi generals in this quiz might have lent some support aung san suu kyi in that movement as well? thea;r lent some support aung san suu kyi in that movement as well? they have not not on in that movement as well? they have got got on surprisingly _ in that movement as well? they have got got on surprisingly well— in that movement as well? they have got got on surprisingly well with i got got on surprisingly well with aung san suu kyi in the past and have been expectations that she would be more hostile to china but she has played a very canny game with china and they have no complaint against aung san suu kyi and havejust said hands off, you know, we do not interfere in the internal affairs of another country. they have massive effect, investment

in myanmar and oil pipelines and gas pipelines and infrastructure and access to the bay of bengal and are really trying to straddle both sides here. ,., . ., , here. other neighbouring countries, big powerhouses, _ here. other neighbouring countries, big powerhouses, india, _ here. other neighbouring countries, big powerhouses, india, pakistan i big powerhouses, india, pakistan which is a chinese ally, they all going to be affected by this further destabilisation but, again, the question, partly, for many, comes back to the rohingya? and a muslim state supporting the rohingya people now tragically stranded in bangladesh in camps? how are these military manoeuvres going to affect the power balance? it military manoeuvres going to affect the power balance?— military manoeuvres going to affect the power balance? it really touches on what is really _ the power balance? it really touches on what is really the _ the power balance? it really touches on what is really the defining - on what is really the defining moment— on what is really the defining moment in— on what is really the defining moment in the _ on what is really the defining moment in the world - on what is really the defining moment in the world in i on what is really the defining| moment in the world in which on what is really the defining i moment in the world in which we on what is really the defining - moment in the world in which we are. the proliferation _ moment in the world in which we are. the proliferation in _ moment in the world in which we are. the proliferation in platforms - moment in the world in which we are. the proliferation in platforms on i the proliferation in platforms on social— the proliferation in platforms on social media _ the proliferation in platforms on social media has _ the proliferation in platforms on social media has given _ the proliferation in platforms on social media has given everyone j the proliferation in platforms on i social media has given everyone a megaphone. — social media has given everyone a megaphone, including _ social media has given everyone a megaphone, including world i social media has given everyone a i megaphone, including world leaders, so the _ megaphone, including world leaders, so the words — megaphone, including world leaders, so the words that _ megaphone, including world leaders, so the words that leaders _ megaphone, including world leaders, so the words that leaders have - megaphone, including world leaders, so the words that leaders have to - so the words that leaders have to condemn— so the words that leaders have to condemn policies— so the words that leaders have to condemn policies and _ so the words that leaders have to condemn policies and actions - so the words that leaders have to| condemn policies and actions that they dont— condemn policies and actions that they don't like. _ condemn policies and actions that they don't like, whether - condemn policies and actions that they don't like, whether it - condemn policies and actions that they don't like, whether it is - condemn policies and actions that they don't like, whether it is fromi they don't like, whether it is from washington — they don't like, whether it is from washington or— they don't like, whether it is from washington or beijing _ they don't like, whether it is from washington or beijing or- they don't like, whether it is from washington or beijing or even-

they don't like, whether it is from - washington or beijing or even moscow as even— washington or beijing or even moscow as even greaten — washington or beijing or even moscow as even greater. the _ washington or beijing or even moscow as even greater. the words _ washington or beijing or even moscow as even greater. the words are - washington or beijing or even moscow as even greater. the words are so - as even greater. the words are so fine and _ as even greater. the words are so fine and ever— as even greater. the words are so fine and ever so_ as even greater. the words are so fine and ever so many— as even greater. the words are so fine and ever so many of- as even greater. the words are so fine and ever so many of them - as even greater. the words are so| fine and ever so many of them but the tools _ fine and ever so many of them but the tools to — fine and ever so many of them but the tools to do _ fine and ever so many of them but the tools to do anything _ fine and ever so many of them but the tools to do anything more - fine and ever so many of them but the tools to do anything more of l fine and ever so many of them but the tools to do anything more of a j the tools to do anything more of a very limited — the tools to do anything more of a very limited because _ the tools to do anything more of a very limited because we _ the tools to do anything more of a very limited because we have - the tools to do anything more of a | very limited because we have seen that sanctions _ very limited because we have seen that sanctions actually— very limited because we have seen that sanctions actually don't - very limited because we have seen that sanctions actually don't have i that sanctions actually don't have much _ that sanctions actually don't have much impact, _ that sanctions actually don't have much impact, have _ that sanctions actually don't have much impact, have had _ that sanctions actually don't have much impact, have had no- that sanctions actually don't have i much impact, have had no impact, whether— much impact, have had no impact, whether in— much impact, have had no impact, whether in russia _ much impact, have had no impact, whether in russia or— much impact, have had no impact, whether in russia or iran, - much impact, have had no impact, | whether in russia or iran, changing behaviour— whether in russia or iran, changing behaviour of — whether in russia or iran, changing behaviour of people, _ whether in russia or iran, changing behaviour of people, so _ whether in russia or iran, changing behaviour of people, so what - whether in russia or iran, changing behaviour of people, so what can, i behaviour of people, so what can, for example. _ behaviour of people, so what can, for example, the _ behaviour of people, so what can, for example, the biden _ for example, the biden administration - for example, the biden administration do - for example, the bidenj administration do when for example, the biden . administration do when it for example, the biden - administration do when it comes for example, the biden _ administration do when it comes to russia? _ administration do when it comes to russia? when— administration do when it comes to russia? when it _ administration do when it comes to russia? when it comes— administration do when it comes to russia? when it comes to - administration do when it comes to i russia? when it comes to myanmar. administration do when it comes to - russia? when it comes to myanmar. we know, _ russia? when it comes to myanmar. we know. anthony— russia? when it comes to myanmar. we know, anthony lincoln _ russia? when it comes to myanmar. we know, anthony lincoln contacted - russia? when it comes to myanmar. we know, anthony lincoln contacted his - know, anthony lincoln contacted his chinese _ know, anthony lincoln contacted his chinese counterpart _ know, anthony lincoln contacted his chinese counterpart and _ know, anthony lincoln contacted his chinese counterpart and asked - know, anthony lincoln contacted his chinese counterpart and asked if - chinese counterpart and asked if they can — chinese counterpart and asked if they can be _ chinese counterpart and asked if they can be tough _ chinese counterpart and asked if they can be tough on _ chinese counterpart and asked if they can be tough on the - chinese counterpart and asked if. they can be tough on the generals chinese counterpart and asked if - they can be tough on the generals in myanmar— they can be tough on the generals in myanmar and — they can be tough on the generals in myanmarand we're— they can be tough on the generals in myanmar and we're back— they can be tough on the generals in myanmar and we're back the - they can be tough on the generals in myanmar and we're back the old - myanmar and we're back the old nrentor— myanmar and we're back the old mentor when— myanmar and we're back the old mentor when it _ myanmar and we're back the old mentor when it comes— myanmar and we're back the old mentor when it comes to - myanmar and we're back the old| mentor when it comes to foreign policy, _ mentor when it comes to foreign policy, interests _ mentor when it comes to foreign policy, interests come _ mentor when it comes to foreign policy, interests come before. i mentor when it comes to foreign policy, interests come before. a| mentor when it comes to foreign i policy, interests come before. a lot of people _ policy, interests come before. a lot of people asking _ policy, interests come before. a lot of people asking now, _ policy, interests come before. a lot of people asking now, when - policy, interests come before. a lot of people asking now, when the - policy, interests come before. a loti of people asking now, when the new biden— of people asking now, when the new biden team—mates, _ of people asking now, when the new biden team—mates, because - of people asking now, when the new biden team—mates, because with i biden team—mates, because with europe _ biden team—mates, because with europe on— biden team—mates, because with europe on issues— biden team—mates, because with europe on issues like _ biden team—mates, because with europe on issues like human - biden team—mates, because with . europe on issues like human rights, will europe on issues like human rights, witt vladimir— europe on issues like human rights, will vladimir putin— europe on issues like human rights, will vladimir putin listen? - europe on issues like human rights, will vladimir putin listen? will- europe on issues like human rights, will vladimir putin listen? will the i will vladimir putin listen? will the part chinese — will vladimir putin listen? will the part chinese leader— will vladimir putin listen? will the part chinese leader listen? - will vladimir putin listen? will the part chinese leader listen? who. will vladimir putin listen? will the. part chinese leader listen? who will listen _ part chinese leader listen? who will listen and _ part chinese leader listen? who will listen and she — part chinese leader listen? who will listen and she will— part chinese leader listen? who will listen and she will act _ part chinese leader listen? who will listen and she will act or— part chinese leader listen? who will listen and she will act or are - part chinese leader listen? who will listen and she will act or are we - listen and she will act or are we 'ust listen and she will act or are we just going — listen and she will act or are we just going to _ listen and she will act or are we just going to have _ listen and she will act or are we just going to have a _ listen and she will act or are we just going to have a lot- listen and she will act or are we just going to have a lot more i listen and she will act or are we - just going to have a lot more words and no _ just going to have a lot more words and no action? _ just going to have a lot more words and no action?— just going to have a lot more words and no action? back to you? we have not too and no action? back to you? we have got too minutes _ and no action? back to you? we have got too minutes at _

and no action? back to you? we have got too minutes at the _ and no action? back to you? we have got too minutes at the end _ and no action? back to you? we have got too minutes at the end of - and no action? back to you? we have got too minutes at the end of the - got too minutes at the end of the programme and what hope for change perhaps in the us on these huge questions? i perhaps in the us on these huge questions?— perhaps in the us on these huge cuestions? ,, . . , . questions? i think at least we are seeinu a questions? i think at least we are seeing a reassertion _ questions? i think at least we are seeing a reassertion of— questions? i think at least we are seeing a reassertion of america l questions? i think at least we are | seeing a reassertion of america is trying _ seeing a reassertion of america is trying to— seeing a reassertion of america is trying to be — seeing a reassertion of america is trying to be what it has always aspired — trying to be what it has always aspired are not always lived up to, which _ aspired are not always lived up to, which is _ aspired are not always lived up to, which is some kind of moral beacon in the _ which is some kind of moral beacon in the world — which is some kind of moral beacon in the world for a sort of free way of life _ in the world for a sort of free way of life but. — in the world for a sort of free way of life but, in a way, what is so interesting _ of life but, in a way, what is so interesting about all these issues is that— interesting about all these issues is that there has long been this debate — is that there has long been this debate about the importance of individuals in history, whether individuals in history, whether individuals change history or whether— individuals change history or whether they are just part of waves and surges— whether they are just part of waves and surges within societies and of course _ and surges within societies and of course what we have seen so much is if you _ course what we have seen so much is if you handful of individuals here, we talk _ if you handful of individuals here, we talk about xi jinping in china who can — we talk about xi jinping in china who can change the nature of the communist party and repression in china, _ communist party and repression in china, putin— communist party and repression in china, putin in russia, trumping america. — china, putin in russia, trumping america, navalny challenging them, in all these — america, navalny challenging them, in all these places it is fascinating to see how individuals are trying — fascinating to see how individuals are trying to flex their muscles, assert— are trying to flex their muscles, assert their power and, as strengthened in some ways by social nredia, _ strengthened in some ways by social nredia, and — strengthened in some ways by social media, and it is an amazing reftection _ media, and it is an amazing reflection on that age—old debate within— reflection on that age—old debate within history.

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the so—called arab spring that mesmerised the world and - the so—called arab spring that i mesmerised the world and those the so—called arab spring that - mesmerised the world and those were revetations _ mesmerised the world and those were revelations right _ mesmerised the world and those were revelations right across _ mesmerised the world and those were revelations right across the _ mesmerised the world and those were revelations right across the region - revelations right across the region in places— revelations right across the region in places where. _ revelations right across the region in places where, if— revelations right across the region in places where, if you _ revelations right across the region in places where, if you open - revelations right across the region in places where, if you open youri in places where, if you open your nrouth— in places where, if you open your mouth he — in places where, if you open your mouth he was— in places where, if you open your mouth he was thrown _ in places where, if you open your mouth he was thrown in - in places where, if you open your mouth he was thrown injail. - in places where, if you open your. mouth he was thrown injail. those were _ mouth he was thrown injail. those were teading — mouth he was thrown injail. those were leading this— mouth he was thrown injail. those were leading this revolution - mouth he was thrown injail. those were leading this revolution is - mouth he was thrown injail. those| were leading this revolution is now, you know. — were leading this revolution is now, you know. we're _ were leading this revolution is now, you know. were ten _ were leading this revolution is now, you know, we're ten years - were leading this revolution is now, you know, we're ten years on - were leading this revolution is now, you know, we're ten years on and l you know, we're ten years on and people _ you know, we're ten years on and people are — you know, we're ten years on and peopte are writing _ you know, we're ten years on and people are writing up _ you know, we're ten years on and people are writing up again. - you know, we're ten years on and people are writing up again. this| people are writing up again. this time _ people are writing up again. this time they— people are writing up again. this time they have _ people are writing up again. this time they have lasers _ people are writing up again. this time they have lasers and - people are writing up again. this| time they have lasers and maybe people are writing up again. this - time they have lasers and maybe you are right. _ time they have lasers and maybe you are right. may— time they have lasers and maybe you are right. may tre— time they have lasers and maybe you are right, may be individuals - time they have lasers and maybe you are right, may be individuals do - are right, may be individuals do make _ are right, may be individuals do make their— are right, may be individuals do make their own— are right, may be individuals do make their own history. - are right, may be individuals do make their own history. let- are right, may be individuals do make their own history. let us. are right, may be individuals do i make their own history. let us see how this _ make their own history. let us see how this round _ make their own history. let us see how this round of _ make their own history. let us see how this round of uprisings - make their own history. let us see how this round of uprisings fares . how this round of uprisings fares and if— how this round of uprisings fares and if it— how this round of uprisings fares and if it fares _ how this round of uprisings fares and if it fares better— how this round of uprisings fares and if it fares better than- how this round of uprisings fares and if it fares better than when i and if it fares better than when people — and if it fares better than when peopte vote _ and if it fares better than when peopte vote up _ and if it fares better than when people vote up. there - and if it fares better than when people vote up. there was - and if it fares better than when people vote up. there was thisj and if it fares better than when - people vote up. there was this great man during — people vote up. there was this great man during the — people vote up. there was this great man during the arab _ people vote up. there was this great man during the arab spring. - people vote up. there was this great man during the arab spring. the - man during the arab spring. the power— man during the arab spring. the power of— man during the arab spring. the power of the _ man during the arab spring. the power of the people _ man during the arab spring. the power of the people is _ man during the arab spring. the power of the people is greater. man during the arab spring. the i power of the people is greater than the people — power of the people is greater than the people in— power of the people is greater than the people in power. _ power of the people is greater than the people in power. back- power of the people is greater than the people in power. back great- the people in power. back great mantra — thanks so much to all my guests this week — ian birrel, isabel hilton and lyse doucet. it has been a really momentous week with huge ripples and perhaps unsurprising as we see change coming

out of washington. shaun ley is here next week. i will be back in a couple of weeks. thank you for watching and bye for now. hello. the weather is going to be turning much colder right the way across the uk this weekend and as it does so, the risk of disruptive snow will shift further south. we saw scotland badly affected through the latter part of the weekjust gone. still some snow for scotland this afternoon and actually, increasingly at lower levels, as the colder air works in. we will also start to see some snow across parts of northern england, particularly across the high ground of the pennines. further south, it's largely rain across central and eastern england at this stage.

towards the west, there will be some sunshine around. through the evening, and overnight, the colder air from the east continues to flood its way southwards. a weather front comes into the mix pushing up from the continent and then we look set to see some fairly persistent snow across some southern and eastern counties of england. widespread frost takes us into sunday, further snow showers pushing in from the east across scotland and northern england, icejust about anywhere and we have some standing surface water. here comes that cold air from scandinavia for sunday, all the way south across the uk. this is storm darcy, named by the dutch met service, pulling off into the continent. this front, though, doesn't pull out of the way very quickly. so the met office is now concerned enough about the threat that piling up the snow across parts of east anglia and kent that an amber warning for the risk of disruption has been issued here. we could see in some areas up to 20 centimetres of snow and blizzard conditions because those easterly winds will be particularly gusty. also, the likelihood of some of that snow drifting.

this exact line of how far west snow pushes is a little bit subject to question, as we get closer to the time, we should be able to pinpoint that for you more. but that's the area most likely to be badly hit on sunday. further north, snow showers streaming across northern england and scotland. many sheltered western areas, though, seeing some beautiful sunshine but it will be cold. cold to start us off on monday with a widespread frost and we still have easterly winds. the front towards the south—east diminished, just a slight snow i think by then, and perhaps the showers across northern england and scotland, fewer and further between. a lot of sunshine on monday, but a cold day. widespread frost to start. in many areas, the temperature will only push up to two to three degrees, but you must remember that strong, easterly wind. factor that in and it will feel sub zero.

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