hello, i'm ros atkins, this is outside source. we continued the bbc�*s coverage of the impeachment trial of donald trump, let's continue to listening to what is being said in the us senate... to what is being said in the us senate- - -_ to what is being said in the us senate... ., , ., senate... from bats, polls, and clubs. capitol— senate... from bats, polls, and clubs. capitol police _ senate... from bats, polls, and clubs. capitol police officers - senate... from bats, polls, and| clubs. capitol police officers also sustained injuries that will be with them for the rest of their wives. one officer was the tip of a right index finger. in statement issued on january seven, the chairman of the police officers union said and i quote...

with a metal fence stake. in total, at least 81 members of capitol police and 65 members of the metropolitan police department were injured during the attack onjanuary 6th. former capitol police chief described insurrection as violence, unlike anything he had seen in his 30 year career in law enforcement. dc police chief robertj conte the third who had been speaking to an officer who had been beaten and injured with a stun gun said," i've talked to officers who've done tours in iraq and said this was scarier than time they didn't combat." the physical violence is not the only thing that will have a lasting effect on our brave sworn officers. trump's bob verbally denigrated their patriotism, question their and yelled racial slurs was a —— trump's

mob. they called them traitors, nazis, un—american for us. mob. they called them traitors, nazis, un—americanfor us. for example in a next clip, a writer wearing a hunting jacket were a police officer. don't touch me mother fokker. listen to how the trump _ don't touch me mother fokker. listen to how the trump mob _ don't touch me mother fokker. listen to how the trump mob talk _ don't touch me mother fokker. listen to how the trump mob talk to - don't touch me mother fokker. l siiéi�*i to how the trump mob talk to these officers. you heard that with your own ears.

"effingham trader". so much for backing the blue. here's a couple more examples.

they called the law enforcement officers traders. you have to wonder who these writers are sworn to. —— traitors. to whom do they believe the police are over their loyalty? to the people? to the constitution? to the people? to the constitution? to our democracy? or two donald trump? even those who were not outwardly injured, the mental toll has been significant. several capitol police officers have reportedly threatened self—harm in the days following the riot and in one case, an officer voluntarily turned in her gun because she was afraid of what might happen. black police officers were also met with

racist vitriol. you heard and read miniature raskin reference a black police officer who weary from racialized violence that he expressed that they saying two years to started streaming down my face. i said, what the f, man, is this america? is this america lead manager raskin asked. is this america? what is your answer to that question. is this ok? if not, what are we going to do about it. these people matter. these people who risked their lives for us. so i ask you respectively to consider them, the police officers, the staff of this building, when you cast your vote. these people are in deep pain because they showed up here to serve, to serve the american people, to serve their government, to serve all of us and i asked each of you when you cast your vote to remember

them and honour them and act in service of them as they deserve. i also want to recognise that for individuals, for insurrection exits who also lost their wives during the attack. these people were led here by the words and actions of an individual who made them believe that they were patriots. the loss of human life is of course the most consequential. but that was not the only damage wrought that day. the trump mob also damaged this building. they defiled some of the most sacred places. statuary hall, the rotunda where some of america's greatest champions, presidents, supreme courtjustices, civil rights heroes and other defenders are honoured after their death. trump plus a violent mob had a little respect for this place was at this video shows the wreckage left in the

senate parliamentarians office by the insurrectionist. —— trump's violent mob. a bust of president zachary taylor was smeared with what appeared to be blood, an empty picture frame presumably robbed of its contents was found on the floor and videos of the insurrection capital wall —— chapter one and seeing a framed photo and another one tearing a scroll from the wall and ripping up and the floor. a sign paying tribute tojohn and the floor. a sign paying tribute to john lewis and the floor. a sign paying tribute tojohn lewis was also shamefully destroyed and only a broken piece of the memorial was found on the ground

next to a trash can. the photo of mr lewis was gone. the damage done to this building is a stain on all of us and on the dignity of our democracy. the attack we saw had a purpose. stop the certification. stop our democratic process. fortunately, they did not prevail. newspapers across america onjanuary 21 at the day after the inauguration proclaimed democracy has prevailed. president biden said that in his inauguration speech. the headline was in so many places because the world's oldest constitutional democracy and the principles underlying it had been attacked and challenged. this wasn'tjust an attack on the capitol building and the dedicated people inside. it was an attack on what we were elected to preserve, our democracy. this attack on a number of actions, on the

peaceful transfer of power from one president to the next didn't even happen during the civil war. but he did just happen because of the cold, calculated, and conspiratorial acts of our former calculated, and conspiratorial acts of ourformer president calculated, and conspiratorial acts of our former president donaldj trump. we who told you that the insurrectionist were deliberately looking for vice president penson speaker pelosi ready to kill. if president trump —— president trump incited a lawless mob to attack our process. he was attacking our democracy. he was trying to become king and rule over us against the will of the people and the valid results of the election. for the first time ever in our history, a sitting president actively instigated his supporters, violently disrupted the process that provides for the peaceful transition of power from one president to the next.

think about that for a moment. what if president trump had been successful? what if he had succeeded in overturning the will of the people and our constitutional processes? who among us is willing to risk that outcome by letting trump's constitutional crimes go unanswered ? trump's constitutional crimes go unanswered? the founders included impeachment in our constitution not as a punishment but to prevent. we have to prevent every president, today, tomorrow, or any time in the future, from believing that this conduct is acceptable. today, we have to stand up for our democracy and ensure we remain a country governed by the people, for the people by telling donald trump and people by telling donald trump and people all across this country and all across the world that his crimes

will not and cannot stand. recess for 15 minutes. the senate will stand in recess. i ask unanimous consent that the house will stand in recess for 15 minutes. objection, objection in the senate will stand — objection, objection in the senate will stand in recess. and objection, objection in the senate will stand in recess.— objection, objection in the senate will stand in recess. and with that, recess begins. _ will stand in recess. and with that, recess begins, if _ will stand in recess. and with that, recess begins, if the _ will stand in recess. and with that, recess begins, if the last _ will stand in recess. and with that, recess begins, if the last few - will stand in recess. and with that, recess begins, if the last few days| recess begins, if the last few days or anything to go by, it won't be too long, maybe 10—15 minutes before the trial of donald trump recommences but what we have seen in the last few minutes is what we saw yesterday in great detail too. the democrats outlining all the different reasons why they believe donald trump should be found guilty in this impeachment trial. they believe, the simplest form of the argument, that he incited violence

on jane reed argument, that he incited violence onjane reed the sixth in the capital but their cases full of detail and they are going through it methodically. ——january detail and they are going through it methodically. —— january the 6th. he is charged with inciting insurrection on january the 6th is charged with inciting insurrection onjanuary the 6th and needless to say the trump defence denies that. let's recap what we reference heard so today. the democrats are arguing they were acting direct orderfor democrats are arguing they were acting direct order for donald trump. here's impeachment manager diana degette. january 6th, we know who lit the fuse. donald trump told these insurrectionist to come to the capital and "stop the steal", and they did come to the capital. and they tried to stop the certification. they came because he told them to. and they did stop our proceedings but only temporarily because he told them to. have you noticed throughout this presentation the uncanny similarity

over and over and over again of what all these people are saying? they said what donald trump said and they echoed each other. "stand back and stand by." "stop the steal". "fight like hell". "trump sent us". "we are listening to trump". the impeachment managers had 16 hours — over yesterday and today — to present their arguments and then hand over to the defence. the team is made up of these nine democrats who sit in the house of representatives — in this process, they are called house managers. and they've been chosen for their professional backgrounds in constitutional law, civil rights and criminaljustice. the lead house manager is jamie raskin. he has been making the argument that donald trump knew for years that his supporters would do anything he asked of them.

president trump has said over and over his supporters are loyal. in his own words, his supporters are "the most loyal that we've seen "in our country's history". and he knew that his most hard—core supporters were willing to direct violence at elected officials. indeed, to attack and lay siege to the capitol building. and he knew they would be ready to heed his call onjanuary 6th to stop the steal by using violence to block the peaceful transfer of power in the united states. he knew they were coming, he brought them here, and he welcomed them with open arms. "we hear you and love you from the oval office." my dear colleagues, is there any political leader in this room that believes if he is ever allowed by the senate to get back into the oval office, donald trump wouldn't stop inciting

violence to get his way? would you bet the lives of more police officers on that? would you bet the safety of your family on that? would you bet the future of your democracy on that? president trump declared his conduct "totally appropriate". so, if he gets back into office and it happens again, we'll have no one to blame but ourselves. the democrats repeated their claim that donald trump showed no empathy after the riots. here's house impeachment manager ted lieu. donald trump's conduct was wrong, it was destructive, it was dishonorable, and un—american. president trump's lack of remorse and refusal to take accountability during the attack shows his state of mind. it shows that he intended the events ofjanuary 6th to happen, and when it did, he delighted in it. president trump's lack of remorse and refusal to take accountability after the attack poses its own unique

and continuing danger. it sends the message that it is acceptable to incite a violent insurrection to overthrow the will of the people and that a president of the united states can do that and get away with it. that is why we have to hold president trump accountable. and as they did yesterday — they stressed again the danger donald trump put the senators and congressman in. never did any of us imagined that and we or our colleagues would face mortal peril by a mob riled up by the president of the united states. the leader of the free world. but we did. all because donald trump could not accept his election defeat. trump chose himself above the

people, above our institutions, above average democracy, above all of you. you know, we've heard trump espouse for years now this america first policy. but his true north star isn't america's well—being, it is not country first like our dear departed colleaguejohn mccain. no, his directive is trump first, no matter the cost, no matter the threat to our democracy. a little bit earlier, the child will return, and when it comes back we will speak —— bring it to buy. what's speak of the former senior stretches for the senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, what have you made of the case that has been made today and yesterday? i think the democrats _ today and yesterday? i think the democrats in _ today and yesterday? i think the democrats in the _ today and yesterday? i think the democrats in the impeachmentl democrats in the impeachment managers have done an exceptional job. i think the case has been

pretty well organised and executed by them. i think from the senate republican perspective esther is the question is whether or not he should be convicted. many of them obviously where there onjanuary 6th, they were in the senate chamber when the capital was attacked. they saw what happened, they lived it, ithink capital was attacked. they saw what happened, they lived it, i think it has been very painful for many of them to go through this again. i think ultimately the question is whether the constitutional question as to whether there is, it should be the case that a president who is out of office should be impeached, there have been two votes in the senate on this question and the overwhelming majority of senate republicans have said that they don't through their vote that they don't believe it's vote that they don't believe its constitutional. unfortunately while the case has been very compelling, i think we already sort of know what the outcome is going to be when they vote. but the outcome is going to be when they vote. �* ., �* , the outcome is going to be when they vote. �* . �* , ., vote. but if that's the view of the republican _ vote. but if that's the view of the republican senators, _ vote. but if that's the view of the republican senators, what - vote. but if that's the view of the republican senators, what about| vote. but if that's the view of the - republican senators, what about your view as someone who works with the republicans? do you believe it's necessary that this man who was

president it seemed to be sanctioned for his actions in those months in between the election injanuary the 6th? my between the election in january the 6th? g, ., , between the election in january the 6th? g, ., _, 6th? my personal view is yes. if i was a united _ 6th? my personal view is yes. if i was a united states _ 6th? my personal view is yes. if i was a united states senator- 6th? my personal view is yes. if i was a united states senator i - 6th? my personalview is yes. if i i was a united states senator i would vote to convict. i think the case is pretty cut and dry. as many of the house impeachment managers made very clear in a very compelling way, the evidence is there. he was saying stop the steal even before the election was in, started the stop the steal slogan almost immediately after the election and continued to back very specious claims and that's being generous, all sorts of accusations that were bedded down by court after court, and went to one of the most gruesome days in modern american history which is a mob attacking the united states capital as it certified the votes forjoe biden to be the president of the united states so yes i would vote to convict. �* ., . . , united states so yes i would vote to convict. �* . . . , ., convict. and we accept the argument that ou convict. and we accept the argument that you just — convict. and we accept the argument that you just laid _ convict. and we accept the argument

that you just laid out, _ convict. and we accept the argument that you just laid out, how _ convict. and we accept the argument that you just laid out, how do - convict. and we accept the argument that you just laid out, how do we - that you just laid out, how do we explain to a watching world by those republican senators will not go ahead and vote to convict present because it looks like a pure political calculation where they put their own put the political interests of their party above the interests of their party above the interests of their party above the interests of america. that interests of their party above the interests of america.— interests of their party above the interests of america. that is a good cuestion. interests of america. that is a good question- again. — interests of america. that is a good question. again, i— interests of america. that is a good question. again, ithink— interests of america. that is a good question. again, i think there - interests of america. that is a good question. again, i think there has l question. again, i think there has been fairly a question about whether or not impeachment can apply to presidents after they are out of office. now there are arguments on both sides of this question. jonathan turley says you should not be able to, there have been legal scholars that say you can. so i really think it is a question of where you come down on that. now is a politically expedient to choose one of these arguments? probably, i don't doubt that. i suspect that some think that continuing down this path of this impeachment trial just keeps emotions in flames and they

would rather take the temperature down and get back to work. i think many of them just want this chapter to be over and after four years of donald trump, they are just tired of the man. now, you can say that's not courageous. ok, i understand that, but for a variety of reasons, there is such a exhaustion among so many republicans in congress that they are so tired of the five years actually if you include his going into the 2016 election of having to be asked every day about every single thing donald trump has done. i'm not trying to provide an excuse. like i said i would vote to convict. i think that the republican party needs to have this force extricated from it but it's not that simple. i would probably be called an immediate establishment republican. the republican base, their voters, the people that elect these folks, they liked donald trump. it is going to be a very hard to slog to come to grips with this reality of how fractured the republican party is.

if you don't have a party but people like me and rank and file voters, there will be no republican in the party is a long way ahead of us up and let me ask you about a man you know very well who you worked with senator mitch mcconnell one of the most senior republicans in this equation. most senior republicans in this euuation. ,, ., ,, , ., 4, equation. seamlessly the new york times reported _ equation. seamlessly the new york times reported not _ equation. seamlessly the new york times reported not long _ equation. seamlessly the new york times reported not long after- equation. seamlessly the new york times reported not long after this | times reported not long after this process began that he might be open to conviction during an impeachment trial. —— famously the new york times. since then it is not been at all clear. what is your reading of his position?— all clear. what is your reading of his position? well, i think senator mcconnell has _ his position? well, i think senator mcconnell has had _ his position? well, i think senator mcconnell has had a _ his position? well, i think senator mcconnell has had a very - his position? well, i think senator mcconnell has had a very tenuous| mcconnell has had a very tenuous relationship with donald trump over the years, tried very hard to keep him in line as best he could. he's expressed his strong disappointment in president trump's behaviour many times, has had many say contentious discussions with president trump. he is not a man who acts in any way like president trump. he is outraged by what happened onjanuary 6th,

called what happened that the senate was not going to be intimidated by a group of thugs, the senate and i think a very broad bipartisan way much more than a house back tojoe biden being certified as president of the united states. —— dan the house. as for the conviction i think he is of two minds, the constitutional question looms large but he has to be very clear, not happy with the president's actions, i am say that is putting it mildly. grossly disappointed, and very upset about what happened to our constitutional republican government on january constitutional republican government onjanuary 6th. constitutional republican government on january 6th-— on january 6th. antonia we appreciate _ on january 6th. antonia we appreciate you _ on january 6th. antonia we appreciate you making - on january 6th. antonia we | appreciate you making time on january 6th. antonia we - appreciate you making time for us today. thank you. that is antonia ferrier life with us here on bbc news channel and world news. a lot of today plus argument has tried to think donald trump directly with the protesters at the capitol including this man, i am sure you know him the man as the queue and on shaman. you may remove the pictures of him

wearing horns an animal for force —— the q shaman. his lawyer has been speaking to bbc news and has been clear about who he holds responsible. i mean, you would have to be helen keller on crack to ensure that these people — not one or two but tens of thousands of americans, the lions share of whom were 30, 40, 50, 60 years old, even older with no criminal background — to think that they showed up by the hundreds of thousands for no particular reason other than to storm the capitol, you'd be just plain wrong. if you listen to the words of the president even though he was incapable of speaking in a complete sentence, he was clear. "we're going to walk down pennsylvania avenue, "i'm going to be there with you." gary o'donoghue is at capitol hill.

you will have heard me speaking with antonia ferrier who worked closely with mitch mcconnell, i would've you make of what she said about the calculations that are going through republican's mines at moment. i republican's mines at moment. i think mcconnell is the absolute key to the door on this one in many ways. to the door on this one in many wa s. , , �* , , to the door on this one in many was. , he to the door on this one in many was. ,,.�* heis ways. -- republican's minds. he is nothin: if ways. -- republican's minds. he is nothing if not _ ways. -- republican's minds. he is nothing if not strategic. _ ways. -- republican's minds. he is nothing if not strategic. he - ways. -- republican's minds. he is nothing if not strategic. he is - ways. -- republican's minds. he is nothing if not strategic. he is a - nothing if not strategic. he is a mentor doesn't take rash decisions or precipitate decisions but let's look at and. —— he is a man. or precipitate decisions but let's look atand. —— he is a man. he is in his late 70s and just won reelection for another six—year term in the senate and may well his last. he is going to be 80 odd by the time he comes into this term. he has seen the party he loves torn apart by donald trump over the last few years. he quickly as antonia was saying, was absently horrified by what happened onjanuary saying, was absently horrified by what happened on january the saying, was absently horrified by what happened onjanuary the 6th. he had already broken with the president before that over the

claims over the election and his wife resigned of herjanuary the 6th. ithink, you know, his position if it were to become clear that he was minded to convict, could change the matters in the senate significantly. and i think actually that's really the only thing that could change the matter in the senate significantly. that's the maths in the senate. i don't know if it is likely or not. she definitely left the door open to that, didn't she? and she knows him better than anyone. it's a fascinating prospect when you think back, it is not quite the same, butjeffrey howe and margaret thatcher back at the end of margaret thatcher back at the end of margaret thatcher's period of time when he turned on her and finished her. is this something mcconnell could do now if he believes the republican party is heading in the wrong direction? i don't know but it's a fascinating idea over the next few days. it it's a fascinating idea over the next few days.— it's a fascinating idea over the next few days. it's a fascinating idea over the nextfewda s. , , ., �* ., next few days. it is, gary don't go anywhere. — next few days. it is, gary don't go anywhere. stay — next few days. it is, gary don't go anywhere, stay with _ next few days. it is, gary don't go

anywhere, stay with us. _ next few days. it is, gary don't go anywhere, stay with us. let's - anywhere, stay with us. let's quickly reference the deputy chief of staff of the former senate majority leader harry reid and also the author of kill switch the rise of the modern senate and he is alive and be from takoma park in the state of maryland. thank you for your time on bbc. i wonder what you may come up on bbc. i wonder what you may come up at me ask you the same thing obsessing my question of colleague gary, what you make at the calculations you are seeing with the republican senators at the moment? well, i think that they are first and foremost concerned with their own reelections. and i think that what we have seen since january 6th is that essentially nothing has changed in political calculus of the republican party. trump still controls the lion's share of voters on the republican side of the aisle here. going against him is probably politically a very dangerous move for any individual republican senator. so i think what you are seeing here is a sort of collective action problem. it would probably be

in the general interest of the republican senate political interest to get rid of trump and push them off of the stage, to convict him and bar him from running for office ever again. however it is not in any individual republican senator's interest to pick a fight with the trump wing of the party that continues to represent well more than 50%, more like 60—70% of republican voters, the very voters that they need to get reelected, the very voters they need to avoid primary challenges in the future. so i think fundamentally that is why you are seeing a lot of republican senators talked up sometimes but when it comes down to it ultimately, votes to side with trump. find when it comes down to it ultimately, votes to side with trump.— votes to side with trump. and if that's the case, _ votes to side with trump. and if that's the case, adam, - votes to side with trump. and if that's the case, adam, the - votes to side with trump. and if that's the case, adam, the fact | votes to side with trump. and if. that's the case, adam, the fact and we don't know how this is going to go but it looks like we as you say the republicans will probably feel critical towards donald trump but not find him guilty, how does that fit with your description of a modern senate in the title of your book was and is what we are seeing

here the behaviour of modern senators which make it is in the sense that they are bound primarily and driven primarily by structural forces. brute and driven primarily by structural forces. ~ ., and driven primarily by structural forces. ~ . forces. we live in a partisan polarised — forces. we live in a partisan polarised era _ forces. we live in a partisan polarised era and _ forces. we live in a partisan polarised era and senators. forces. we live in a partisan i polarised era and senators are primarily responsive to those structural forces. as i primarily responsive to those structuralforces. as i argue in the book this is why we can't expect as democrats can't expect cooperation from republicans on issues even as popular as the covid relief package that president biden is advancing right now and which pulls in the last week and showed has the support of upwards of 80% of the american people. republicans are bound by the structural factors, people. republicans are bound by the structuralfactors, i'm not saying this to excuse their individual choices and actions, but i'm saying this to have a realistic look at the political realities of today, these structural forces drive them to oppose anything the democrats want to do and to obstruct at all costs to do and to obstruct at all costs to try and make democrats look bad. and in the current context, that means sticking with trump all the way down the line. and if those are the republican strategic

calculations let's look at it from the democratic side. i calculations let's look at it from the democratic side.— the democratic side. i was mentioning _ the democratic side. i was mentioning to _ the democratic side. i was mentioning to you - the democratic side. i was mentioning to you with - the democratic side. i was| mentioning to you with the the democratic side. i was - mentioning to you with the deputy chief of staff for harry reid, a very senior democrat at one time. how do you feel this approach is working for them going on and pursuing someone who is no longer in power at such a hope —— high—profile way? power at such a hope -- high-profile wa ? ~ ~ , way? well i think it is the right thin for way? well i think it is the right thing for them _ way? well i think it is the right thing for them to _ way? well i think it is the right thing for them to do. - way? well i think it is the right thing for them to do. i - way? well i think it is the right thing for them to do. i think. way? well i think it is the right l thing for them to do. i think that you have to establish a historical record here. you have to try to hold him accountable. if trump is not in fact held accountable ultimately, it certainly won't be the democrats fault and you have to establish a record for prosperity and for history both of what happened on january 6th of trump on several in making it happen and of republican senators ultimately coming to his defence. —— record for posterity. i don't think would be it will have a major impact on democrats one way or the other i think the midterm elections in 2022 the next big elections in 2022 the next big elections will be decided on what they are able to achieve between now and then but i think it is important

to make an effective case to bring the facts forward, establish a record of accountability here, and if trump is not held accountable to an establishment of republicans who decided to do that and that is something they will have to live with for the rest of their wives and that history will always record. adam thank you very much indeed for joining us. that is adam jentleson. let's have a look at what we have seen on wednesday. let's take a look at what we saw on wednesday. impeachment managers detailed how they believe donald trump sowed doubt about the legitimacy of the election — in the months before the vote — and after. then the impeachment managers made the senators re—live their worst nightmare using clips of the january 6th riots. some that had not yet been released to the public. there was this body cam footage of a guard being beaten.

they also played previously unseen cctv footage showing just how close the mob got to key figures. we saw republican senator mitt romney having to change directions and run back through the halls as rioters flooded the building senate majority leader chuck schumer quickly having to find another route to safety and vice president mike pence and his family being escorted to a safe room 50 republicans watched the footage. this is how they reacted. washington post reports "republican senatorjames lankford politico has this description of bill cassidy — the republican who voted with the democrats

to continue the trial on tuesday. republican senator lisa murkowski also crossed party lines in tuesday's vote. this is her assessment. let's see how after the american public sees the full story laid out here notjust in one snippet on this day and another on that, but this whole, this whole scenario that has been laid out before us. ijust, i don't see how donald trump could be reelected to the presidency again. i just don't see that. you are under no pressure, or are you coming from your leadership to vote a certain way? no, none, none whatsoever. none whatsoever. absolutely none.

you feel free to vote your conscience? absolutely. to convict donald trump — 17 republicans need to cross—party lines. only one voted to convict the president in his first impeachment trial — mitt romney. on monday — six voted to proceed with the trial. and it doesn't look like many more have been swayed by so far. senator mike braun "i don't know that that's going to make senator roy blunt changed the subject. "well, you know, i mean, you have a summer where people all over the country were doing similar kinds of things." and ted cruz was definitive.

that's the reaction from senate republicans. we're told many democrat senators covered their eyes when they were showed the footage. well presidentjoe biden had stayed quiet about the impeachment trial — until now. this was earlier. i, like other americans, watched the news, i didn't watch any of the hearing live because i was going straight through last night till a little after 9 but i watched some this morning. i think the senate has a very importantjob to complete and i think, er, my guess is some minds may be changed but i don't know. let's bring back and gary and capitol hill. despite your procedure and we are seeing the newspapers and political websites reporting how the senators are reacting but we are not seen that on the tv, how come? {line seen that on the tv, how come? one ofthe seen that on the tv, how come? one of the rules — seen that on the tv, how come? one of the rules of— seen that on the tv, how come? one of the rules of the _ seen that on the tv, how come? que: of the rules of the trial seen that on the tv, how come? iez of the rules of the trial is seen that on the tv, how come? ©“i2 of the rules of the trial is that you cannot show shots of the senators, some afraid, for our trade which is rather boring. you cannot

get what we call in the trade cut away shots of their reactions to what they are seeing. as an artist in the chamber doing drawings and a couple of reporters in the gallery who can look down and tell you is how they heard thatjosh holly come up how they heard thatjosh holly come up from missouri, had his feet up on the desk reading something unrelated. that's the reason. we are in recess at — unrelated. that's the reason. we are in recess at the _ unrelated. that's the reason. we are in recess at the moment _ unrelated. that's the reason. we are in recess at the moment but - unrelated. that's the reason. we are in recess at the moment but the - in recess at the moment but the democrats will come back and they are approaching the final stretch, is that right? i are approaching the final stretch, is that right?— is that right? i think that's right. the indications _ is that right? i think that's right. the indications are _ is that right? i think that's right. the indications are that - is that right? i think that's right. the indications are that they - is that right? i think that's right. l the indications are that they don't plan to take the whole of today and they could take up till another six hours today. we are also getting indications that the republicans, donald trump's lawyers rather, when they do or present their case they are going to do it within the space of a day. they are not going to take their whole allotted time which suggests to me that they are really

thinking that it's, they want to get this thing over quickly because they are confident about the vote in itself. at what we're talking about with adam, that's a pretested book he has written. the structural problems that face the republicans means that they can be confident they will not get the votes. we will see. lisa murkowski, she's one of the republicans reelection in two years time stop by and just a question about the man in the middle of this, donald trump. we've become accustomed to following his thoughts on everything. but accustomed to following his thoughts on everything-— on everything. but that is no more, so do we have _ on everything. but that is no more, so do we have any _ on everything. but that is no more, so do we have any indications - on everything. but that is no more, so do we have any indications on i on everything. but that is no more, i so do we have any indications on how he is viewing proceedings? hat he is viewing proceedings? not reall . he is viewing proceedings? not really- the _ he is viewing proceedings? iirrt really. the american media has got people down in miami talking to aids and jason miller who is very close aide to donald trump has been talking a little bit, and that's how we know that the trump team are not

planning to go for two days. not very much. i think we are pretty clear that he is glued to it. he was pretty unhappy with his lawyers in the first day and can only really know that if he was watching. we will see what happens but we are told he is camped out in an annex that they have built for him to do his work, attached to his club in mara lago. we're waiting to see the phase before he makes his next move but there is republicans in the fringes talking about a separate party. so we often talk about the death of 2—party politics in the united states of america. again we are talking about it because of these pressures within the gop. brute these pressures within the gop. we do not have a chance yesterday with the coverage from the senate, but how how has the capital changed? he

reported there before the riots and now afterwards, if the experience different for politicians, journalists or visitors? i’m journalists or visitors? i'm standing _ journalists or visitors? i'm standing in _ journalists or visitors? i'm standing in what - journalists or visitors? i�*“n standing in what they call the rotunda which is sort of roof marvellous and elaborate and elegant space. as much as it would be in any other time when i've stood here but you come into, we came in through the streets just you come into, we came in through the streetsjust outside you come into, we came in through the streets just outside the capital this morning at six in the morning and there's checkpoints, two big trucks. there is an eight foot fence with razor wire that goes right around the capital. and then inside there is of course national guard troops patrolling at various points. the public is absent as well. and famously congress was open, was open to the public to come in and meet their congressman. that's part of what parliamentary democracies do, they make themselves available to constituents. and they are not here now. �* ., �* , ., .,

now. and if that's how the regular business of _ now. and if that's how the regular business of congress _ now. and if that's how the regular business of congress is _ now. and if that's how the regular business of congress is working i now. and if that's how the regular l business of congress is working talk to me about the regular business of the houses of congress, the house of representatives and the senate. to what degree is the trial clogging up the administration's desire to get on with its agenda? the the administration's desire to get on with its agenda?— on with its agenda? the last few da s, i on with its agenda? the last few days. i think _ on with its agenda? the last few days, i think it's _ on with its agenda? the last few days, i think it's given _ on with its agenda? the last few days, i think it's given a - on with its agenda? the last few days, i think it's given a little i days, i think it's given a little bit of breathing space for the white house to do behind—the—scenes negotiation and work on their big covid relief bill. $1.9 trillion. but the house and senate have laid the groundwork to push that legislation through without republican votes if they need to. they can do that under a pretty arcane rule that sits within the budget process. but they are still trying to make and see if they can get some bipartisan support on that. really the house is been treading water a little bit. the bill itself is in what they call mark up at the moment which means is headed for them to discuss how to av up the

money specifically between the different programmes. that process is continuing but all of the focus is continuing but all of the focus is on the senate, and i think that may not be unwelcome for the legislature on that bill because that does mean that they can thrash a few things out. without the sort of spotlight of the news media on the whole process making people dig into their positions. i was the whole process making people dig into their positions.— into their positions. i was playing a clip before _ into their positions. i was playing a clip before we _ into their positions. i was playing a clip before we started - into their positions. i was playing a clip before we started talking i into their positions. i was playing | a clip before we started talking of president biden saying, i'm catching up president biden saying, i'm catching up on this, i was working all of yesterday. some people around the world may be surprised that a president for the democratic party is saying so little on a process being pursued by other senior members of the democratic party. yes. it's no accident that... he's notjust kind of forgetting to switch on the tv. this is a very specific and deliberate strategy to insulate him from this whole

process. because of course if the likelihood is that donald trump is acquitted he doesn't want that to be the first white house failure of his term. so they are keeping him 1 million miles away from this whole process and hence the kind of come of the senate are doing a very important thing, i'm not sure too much will change. i mean a statement but one without an awful lot of content. ., ~ but one without an awful lot of content. ., ,, , ., , . content. thank you very much indeed. live with us — content. thank you very much indeed. live with us from _ content. thank you very much indeed. live with us from capitol _ content. thank you very much indeed. live with us from capitol hill- content. thank you very much indeed. live with us from capitol hill and - live with us from capitol hill and guiding you through all the different dimensions of donald trump's impeachment trial. this is not a normal criminal trial, it's a political event and there are many different political layers to it. lets look at donald trump's defence team. we'll hear from them tomorrow. leading them is lawyer david shown — he's on the left. and bruce castor — he's on the right. they want an acquittal on these grounds: the trial is unconstitutional because donald trump is no longer in office. that rioters stormed the capitol

on their own accord. they argue that comments he made to his supporters onjanuary 6th constitute free speech under the first amendment. here's a reminder of what donald trump is accused of. the former president is charged with "inciting violence against the government of the united states" over the storming of capitol hill on january the 6th. democrats argue he must be convicted because he's �*personally responsible' for the violence, that he "endangered the life this is the timeline. democrats argue donald trump's supporters arrived in washington onjanuary 6th ready to do "whatever it took to keep him in power." and that — all his supporters needed was for donald trump "to strike a match" which they say came when he gave a speech encouraging his supporters to �*fight like hell'.

gary if i bring you back in, what's been interesting at the visit to a number of different republicans and republican strategists is no one is really disputing that some of the things donald trump said were inappropriate or that what happened on the sixth was absolutely terrible. what they are disputing is whether it's impeachment process is the right arena in which to address that. �* �* , ., ., the right arena in which to address that. �*, ., ., ,, ,, the right arena in which to address that. �*, ., ., ,, that. and it's that old business of causation versus _ that. and it's that old business of causation versus correlation. - that. and it's that old business of causation versus correlation. did | causation versus correlation. did this happen because of that or did this happen because of that or did this happen because of that or did this happenjust, you know, at the same sort of time and temporal space? that's what the thing comes down to. you are right, there's a few republicans that would actually support what the president said at that rally. the defence team are going to try and argue its figurative speech, all of this fighting talk that he uttered during that 70 minute speech. but the crowd

at the ellipse by the white house. it will point to the one phrase of the end when he used the word peaceful as opposed to the 20 times he used the word fight or similar words during the whole speech. there were also argued this overarching, the business about freedom of speech, the first amendment bill of rights and first amendment to the constitution here which guarantees freedom of speech but as democrats already said, freedom of speech does not allow you to shout fire in a theatre. there are curbs on it, and certainly the law provides for a prosecution in normal criminal circumstances if your language insights violence. not a normal trial has we have been saying all along. these are notjurors who are tabula rasa and blank sheets. they are allowed to take their prejudices in the room, they are allowed to take their preconceptions. the judge

cannot direct them to ignore any specific evidence like the constitutionality which is artie been voted on. they can do what they like in terms of their decision—making process which is why this makes a trial like this not like any other you have seen any kind of courtroom. the description of a trial is — kind of courtroom. the description of a trial is kind _ kind of courtroom. the description of a trial is kind of _ kind of courtroom. the description of a trial is kind of confusing. - kind of courtroom. the description of a trial is kind of confusing. let l of a trial is kind of confusing. let me just interrupt you because proceedings are under way again in the us senate, let's listen to the first speaker. my colleagues discuss with you the many— my colleagues discuss with you the many harms to our nation as a result of president — many harms to our nation as a result of president trump's conduct. now i would _ of president trump's conduct. now i would like _ of president trump's conduct. now i would like to spend some time talking — would like to spend some time talking about the harm to our national— talking about the harm to our national security and our standing in the _ national security and our standing in the world. onjanuary national security and our standing in the world. on january six, national security and our standing in the world. onjanuary six, when president — in the world. onjanuary six, when president trump incited a mob to march_ president trump incited a mob to march the — president trump incited a mob to march the capital he led them to a

building _ march the capital he led them to a building that houses some of our nations— building that houses some of our nations most sensitive formation. and consider who was part of that mob _ and consider who was part of that mob some — and consider who was part of that mob. some of the individuals from the fbi _ mob. some of the individuals from the fbi watchlist. their past behaviour of some individuals led here by— behaviour of some individuals led here by president trump so alarmed investigators at their names had been _ investigators at their names had been added to the national terrorist screening _ been added to the national terrorist screening database. and at least one of the _ screening database. and at least one of the insurrectionist may have intended — of the insurrectionist may have intended to steal information and -ive intended to steal information and give it— intended to steal information and give it to — intended to steal information and give it to a — intended to steal information and give it to a foreign adversary. according _ give it to a foreign adversary. according to charging documents, riley— according to charging documents, riley williams allegedly helps to a laptop— riley williams allegedly helps to a laptop from speaker pelosi's office to quote, _ laptop from speaker pelosi's office to quote, send the computer device to quote, send the computer device to a friend _ to quote, send the computer device to a friend in russia. plans to sell the device — to a friend in russia. plans to sell the device to svr, russia's foreign intelligence service. while we cannot— intelligence service. while we cannot be certain how many foreign spies— cannot be certain how many foreign spies or— cannot be certain how many foreign spies or if— cannot be certain how many foreign spies or if they infiltrated the crowd, — spies or if they infiltrated the crowd, or— spies or if they infiltrated the crowd, orat spies or if they infiltrated the crowd, or at least coordinated with

those _ crowd, or at least coordinated with those who — crowd, or at least coordinated with those who did, we can be sure that any enemy— those who did, we can be sure that any enemy who wanted access to our secrets _ any enemy who wanted access to our secrets would have wanted to be part of that _ secrets would have wanted to be part of that mob _ secrets would have wanted to be part of that mob inside these halls. and the point _ of that mob inside these halls. and the point is — of that mob inside these halls. and the point is this. many of the insurrectionist that president trump incited _ insurrectionist that president trump incited to _ insurrectionist that president trump incited to invade this chamber were dangerous — incited to invade this chamber were dangerous. people on the fbi watchlist, violent extremists, white supremacists and these insurrectionist incited by president trump _ insurrectionist incited by president trump threatened our national security — trump threatened our national security. stealing laptops from speaker — security. stealing laptops from speaker pelosi public office, taking documents from leader mcconnell's desk _ documents from leader mcconnell's desk. snapping photographs as you saw in _ desk. snapping photographs as you saw in the — desk. snapping photographs as you saw in the videos earlier. in sensitive _ saw in the videos earlier. in sensitive areas. ransacking your offices, — sensitive areas. ransacking your offices, rifling through your desks. the president of the united states, the commander—in—chief knew the risk of anyone _ the commander—in—chief knew the risk of anyone breaching the capital. he

swore _ of anyone breaching the capital. he swore an— of anyone breaching the capital. he swore an oath to preserve, protect and defend _ swore an oath to preserve, protect and defend his country. and yet he incited _ and defend his country. and yet he incited them here. to break into the capital _ incited them here. to break into the capital. senators, as you all know, we have _ capital. senators, as you all know, we have spent trillions of dollars building — we have spent trillions of dollars building the strongest military in the world. and billions of dollars on the _ the world. and billions of dollars on the most sophisticated weaponry on the most sophisticated weaponry on the _ on the most sophisticated weaponry on the planet. to prevent the kind of attack— on the planet. to prevent the kind of attack that occurred at this capital— of attack that occurred at this capital on _ of attack that occurred at this capital on january of attack that occurred at this capital onjanuary six. of attack that occurred at this capital on january six. and of attack that occurred at this capital onjanuary six. and here's what _ capital onjanuary six. and here's what the — capital onjanuary six. and here's what the insurrectionist incited by president — what the insurrectionist incited by president trump did. let�*s what the insurrectionist incited by president trump did.— president trump did. let's take a seat, president trump did. let's take a seat. people! _ president trump did. let's take a seat, people! let's _ president trump did. let's take a seat, people! let's take - president trump did. let's take a seat, people! let's take a - president trump did. let's take a seat, people! let's take a seat! l seat, people! let's take a seat! let's _ seat, people! let's take a seat! let's vote — seat, people! let's take a seat! let's vote on— seat, people! let's take a seat! let's vote on some _ seat, people! let's take a seat! let's vote on some stuff! - we took this!

in many ways, this room is sacred answer— in many ways, this room is sacred answer with— in many ways, this room is sacred answer with the traditions it represents. they have been carried are for— represents. they have been carried are for centuries. congress has declared — are for centuries. congress has declared war 11 times on this floor. including _ declared war 11 times on this floor. including during world war ii. and congress — including during world war ii. and congress passed the civil rights act and expanded the right to vote to ensure _ and expanded the right to vote to ensure that no matter your race or your— ensure that no matter your race or your gender— ensure that no matter your race or your gender you have a voice in our nation _ your gender you have a voice in our nation and — your gender you have a voice in our nation. and this floor is where history— nation. and this floor is where history has— nation. and this floor is where history has been made. and now our intelligence — history has been made. and now our intelligence agencies and law enforcement agencies have the burden to figure _ enforcement agencies have the burden to figure out exactly what was stolen. — to figure out exactly what was stolen, taken, ransacked and compromised. as acting us attorney michael—

compromised. as acting us attorney michael sherman explained, quotes, n1aterials— michael sherman explained, quotes, materials were stolen and we have to identify— materials were stolen and we have to identify what was done to mitigate that and _ identify what was done to mitigate that and it could have potential national— that and it could have potential national security equities. these investigations are necessary now because — investigations are necessary now because of the actions of president trump _ because of the actions of president trump it— because of the actions of president trump. it was notjust because of the actions of president trump. it was not just the because of the actions of president trump. it was notjust the people that he _ trump. it was notjust the people that he led — trump. it was notjust the people that he led here, the intelligence agencies — that he led here, the intelligence agencies have to look into. it's also _ agencies have to look into. it's also what _ agencies have to look into. it's also what they took. and what they gathered _ also what they took. and what they gathered. and it was the very fact that this _ gathered. and it was the very fact that this building, with so much sensitive — that this building, with so much sensitive information, and some classified — sensitive information, and some classified information, that this capital— classified information, that this capital was breached. and think about— capital was breached. and think about it — capital was breached. and think about it. every foreign adversary considering attacking this building -ot considering attacking this building got to— considering attacking this building got to watch a dress rehearsal, and they saw _ got to watch a dress rehearsal, and they saw that this capital could be overtaken — they saw that this capital could be overtaken. as elizabeth newman, a

former— overtaken. as elizabeth newman, a former trump and administration officials — former trump and administration officials stated... and it's notjust the capital. this attack— and it's notjust the capital. this attack has — and it's notjust the capital. this attack has implications for all government buildings and senator rubio— government buildings and senator rubio made this point well. if you are a terrorist _ rubio made this point well. if you are a terrorist right _ rubio made this point well. if you are a terrorist right now— rubio made this point well. if you are a terrorist right now as - rubio made this point well. if you are a terrorist right now as sittingj are a terrorist right now as sitting out there watching this, you are saying is not that hard to get into the capital and not hard to get into the capital and not hard to get into the white house with supreme court building or somewhere else. our government _ building or somewhere else. our government from our intelligence agencies, — government from our intelligence agencies, and/or law enforcement have been— agencies, and/or law enforcement have been permitted additional safety— have been permitted additional safety measures since the attack on january— safety measures since the attack on january six. — safety measures since the attack on january six. while we secure this physical— january six. while we secure this physical space in a what message will be _ physical space in a what message will be send the rest of the world? we already know that the message our

adversaries— we already know that the message our adversaries took from january six. this is— adversaries took from january six. this is how— adversaries took from january six. this is how some of them responded after the _ this is how some of them responded after the attack. quote... to make matters worse, our adversaries are even using the events— adversaries are even using the events of— adversaries are even using the events ofjanuary six not only to denigrate — events ofjanuary six not only to denigrate america, but to justify their— denigrate america, but to justify their own — denigrate america, but to justify their own anti—democratic behaviour. calling _ their own anti—democratic behaviour. calling america hypocritical. here's with the _ calling america hypocritical. here's with the chinese government is saying —

the global times, and out that affiliated with the chinese communist party even tweeted a series— communist party even tweeted a series of— communist party even tweeted a series of side by side photos of two events, _ series of side by side photos of two events, the — series of side by side photos of two events, the siege of the us capitol and a _ events, the siege of the us capitol and a july— events, the siege of the us capitol and a july 2019 incident in which pro—democracy protesters in hong kong _ pro—democracy protesters in hong kong broke into the city's legislative council building. think about— legislative council building. think about that. president trump if the chinese _ about that. president trump if the chinese government and opening to create _ chinese government and opening to create a _ chinese government and opening to create a false equivalency between hon- create a false equivalency between hong kong citizens purchasing for democracy and violent insurrectionist trying to overthrow it. insurrectionist trying to overthrow it as _ insurrectionist trying to overthrow it. as representative gallagher described a real—time... we it. as representative gallagher described a real-time. .. we don't think other _ described a real-time. .. we don't think other countries _ described a real-time. .. we don't think other countries around - described a real-time. .. we don't think other countries around the l think other countries around the world _ think other countries around the world are — think other countries around the world are watching _

think other countries around the world are watching this - think other countries around the world are watching this happen. think other countries around the - world are watching this happen right now can _ world are watching this happen right now can we — world are watching this happen right now can we don't _ world are watching this happen right now can we don't think— world are watching this happen right now can we don't think the - world are watching this happen right now can we don't think the chinese. now can we don't think the chinese come _ now can we don't think the chinese come at _ now can we don't think the chinese come at his— now can we don't think the chinese come at his party— now can we don't think the chinese come at his party sitting _ now can we don't think the chinese come at his party sitting back- now can we don't think the chinese come at his party sitting back and i come at his party sitting back and laughing? — come at his party sitting back and laughing? then— come at his party sitting back and laughing? then we _ come at his party sitting back and laughing? then we are _ come at his party sitting back and laughing? then we are deluding i laughing? then we are deluding ourselves — laughing? then we are deluding ourselves. so _ laughing? then we are deluding ourselves. so call— laughing? then we are deluding ourselves. so call it _ laughing? then we are deluding ourselves. so call it off, - laughing? then we are deluding ourselves. so call it off, mr- ourselves. so call it off, mr president _ ourselves. so call it off, mr president. we _ ourselves. so call it off, mr president. we need - ourselves. so call it off, mr president. we need you - ourselves. so call it off, mr president. we need you toi ourselves. so call it off, mr. president. we need you to call ourselves. so call it off, mr- president. we need you to call this off. , , . . , president. we need you to call this off. ,, ., ., , president. we need you to call this off. ., , off. russia has also seized on this violent attack _ off. russia has also seized on this violent attack against _ off. russia has also seized on this violent attack against our - violent attack against our government decrying that democracy is guote, _ government decrying that democracy is quote, over. the chairman of the russian upper house _ the chairman of the russian upper house of— the chairman of the russian upper house of the problem affairs committee said quote... they are using president trump's incitement — they are using president trump's incitement of an insurrection to

declare — incitement of an insurrection to declare that democracy is over. in iran, _ declare that democracy is over. in iran, the — declare that democracy is over. in iran, the supreme leader using president — iran, the supreme leader using president trump 's incitement to nrock— president trump 's incitement to mock america. he said quote... these statements are serious and pervasive — these statements are serious and pervasive. and according to a joint threat _ pervasive. and according to a joint threat assessment bulletin from the department of homeland security, the fbi and _ department of homeland security, the fbi and eight other law enforcement entities, _ fbi and eight other law enforcement entities, quote, the since the incident — entities, quote, the since the incident at the us capitol on january— incident at the us capitol on january six, russian, iranian and chinese — january six, russian, iranian and chinese influence actors have seized the opportunity to amplify

narratives in furtherance of their policy _ narratives in furtherance of their policy interests amid the presidential transition. we cannot let them — presidential transition. we cannot let them use what happened on january— let them use what happened on january six to define us, who we are and what _ january six to define us, who we are and what we — january six to define us, who we are and what we stand for. we get to define _ and what we stand for. we get to define ourselves by how we respond to the _ define ourselves by how we respond to the attack ofjanuary six. and some _ to the attack ofjanuary six. and some might be tempted to say and point _ some might be tempted to say and point out _ some might be tempted to say and point out that our adversaries are always— point out that our adversaries are always going to be critical of the united _ always going to be critical of the united states, but following the insurrection on january six even our allies— insurrection on january six even our allies are _ insurrection on january six even our allies are speaking up. canadian prime _ allies are speaking up. canadian prime ministerjustin trudeau said guotem _ prime ministerjustin trudeau said quote... we

the german foreign minister said guotem — the german foreign minister said quote... this closing of ranks begin with those — quote... this closing of ranks begin with those withholding those accountable who are responsible for such escalations. that includes the violent— such escalations. that includes the violent writers, and also includes their— violent writers, and also includes their instigators. the world is watching _ their instigators. the world is watching and wondering whether we are who _ watching and wondering whether we are who we say we are. because when other— are who we say we are. because when other countries have known chaos, our constitution has helped keep order— our constitution has helped keep order in— our constitution has helped keep order in america. this is why we have _ order in america. this is why we have a _ order in america. this is why we have a constitution. we must stand up have a constitution. we must stand up for— have a constitution. we must stand up for the _ have a constitution. we must stand

up for the rule of law, because the rule of— up for the rule of law, because the rule of law— up for the rule of law, because the rule of law does notjust stand up by itself — rule of law does notjust stand up by itself. after the insurrection of my colleagues in the house foreign affairs— my colleagues in the house foreign affairs committee the chairman and ranking _ affairs committee the chairman and ranking member issued by person statement that said quote... and that's true. for generations the united _ and that's true. for generations the united states has been a northstar in the _ united states has been a northstar in the world. for freedom, democracy

and human— in the world. for freedom, democracy and human rights. because america is not only— and human rights. because america is not only a _ and human rights. because america is not only a nation, for many it's also _ not only a nation, for many it's also an— not only a nation, for many it's also an idea. as the light that gives— also an idea. as the light that gives hope to people struggling for democracy in autocratic regimes, the li-ht democracy in autocratic regimes, the light that _ democracy in autocratic regimes, the light that inspires people fighting... light that inspires people fighting---_ light that inspires people fighting. . . light that inspires people fiuuhtin... ., ., , fighting... looking to our viewers on pbs in america _ fighting... looking to our viewers on pbs in america and _ fighting... looking to our viewers on pbs in america and to - fighting... looking to our viewers. on pbs in america and to everyone else watching on bbc news around the world. we are continuing our live coverage of donald trump is like a peter trial and continue to the senate democrats who are making the case that he incited the violence on january the 6th. i say this is someone who loves my country, our country, just as all of you do. there is a lot of courage in this room, a lot of courage that has been demonstrated in the lives of the people in this room. some folks have stood up for the civil rights of fellow americans and risked their

careers and their reputations, their