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this is bbc news with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. mr trump's lawyers make their case why the former president is not guilty of inciting the deadly storming of the us capitol last month. calling it a monstrous live. they argue that the violence was pre—planned, and that prosecutors failed to directly connect the actions of the rioters to mr trump. no thinking person can serious believe that the president's january six speech on the ellipse was in any way and incitement to violence or insurrection. and this is the senior right now on capitol hill were senators are questioning the lawyers for both the defence and the prosecution in the
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next phase of the impeachment trial. —— and this is a live picture now. after a recess in the completion of the fence, the trial is now continuing with questions from the senators to be house managers. and the defence lawyers. let's listen in. remember, you have just remember, you havejust told remember, you have just told these people these thousand the people that somebody has sold your election, you will not get the president that you love, senators, that it president that you love, senators, thatitis president that you love, senators, that it is a an incredibly combustible situation, or people are armed and they have been saying they are mad as hell, and they would not take it any more. he looked up to a sea of thousands, some wearing body armour some helmets, holding sticks and flagpoles, some of which they
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would later used to be capital police, and told them that they could play by different rules. play by different rules. he even at one point quite literally pointed at the capitol hill as he told them to fight like hell. after the attack, we have shown clearly that once the attack began, and surgeon after insurgent made clear they were following the president's orders. you solids present that evidence of the insurgents were there that day who said i came because the president asked me to come. i was here at his invitation they said. he saw that other folks are in the capital that day.— saw that other folks are in the capital that day. time has expired. are there further— capital that day. time has expired. are there further questions? -
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senator from south carolina? thank ou ve senator from south carolina? thank you very much- _ senator from south carolina? thank you very much- i — senator from south carolina? thank you very much. i sent _ senator from south carolina? thank you very much. i sent a _ senator from south carolina? thank you very much. i sent a question - senator from south carolina? thank you very much. i sent a question to | you very much. i sent a question to the desk_ you very much. i sent a question to the desk on— you very much. i sent a question to the desk on behalf of myself, senator— the desk on behalf of myself, senator cruz, marshall, and kramer to counsel — senator graham for himself, senator cruz, _ senator graham for himself, senator cruz, senator— senator graham for himself, senator cruz, senator marshall, _ senator graham for himself, senator cruz, senator marshall, senator- cruz, senator marshall, senator kramer, — cruz, senator marshall, senator kramer, they— cruz, senator marshall, senator kramer, they submit _ cruz, senator marshall, senator kramer, they submit a - cruz, senator marshall, senator kramer, they submit a question| cruz, senator marshall, senator. kramer, they submit a question for the counsel— kramer, they submit a question for the counsel for— kramer, they submit a question for the counsel for donald _ kramer, they submit a question for the counsel for donald trump, - kramer, they submit a question for the counsel for donald trump, thei the counsel for donald trump, the clerk_ the counsel for donald trump, the clerk witt— the counsel for donald trump, the clerk will read _ the counsel for donald trump, the clerk will read it. _ the counsel for donald trump, the clerk will read it.— clerk will read it. does a politician _ clerk will read it. does a politician at _ clerk will read it. does a politician at raising - clerk will read it. does a politician at raising baill clerk will read it. does a i politician at raising bail for rioters _ politician at raising bail for rioters encourage more rioting? counsel— rioters encourage more rioting? counsel have five minutes. yes. this
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council you — counsel have five minutes. yes. this council you will— counsel have five minutes. this council you will back the rest of the time? — council you will back the rest of the time?— council you will back the rest of the time? ., �* , ., . the time? -- that's the council? it is ielded the time? -- that's the council? it is yielded back. _ the time? -- that's the council? it is yielded back. any _ the time? -- that's the council? it is yielded back. any other - is yielded back. any other questions? _ is yielded back. any other questions? mr— is yielded back. any other| questions? mr president,. is yielded back. any other l questions? mr president,. i is yielded back. any other - questions? mr president,. i have a auestion questions? mr president,. i have a question for _ questions? mr president,. i have a question for the _ questions? mr president,. i have a question for the desk. _ questions? mr president,. i have a question for the desk. senator- questions? mr president,. i have a| question for the desk. senator from geora ia. question for the desk. senator from georgia- send _ question for the desk. senator from georgia. send it _ question for the desk. senator from georgia. send it to _ question for the desk. senator from georgia. send it to the _ question for the desk. senator from georgia. send it to the desk. - the senator from georgia, senator warnock. — the senator from georgia, senator warnock. has— the senator from georgia, senator warnock. has a _ the senator from georgia, senator warnock, has a question _ the senator from georgia, senator warnock, has a question for - the senator from georgia, senator warnock, has a question for the i warnock, has a question for the house _ warnock, has a question for the house managers, _ warnock, has a question for the house managers, the _ warnock, has a question for the house managers, the clerk- warnock, has a question for the house managers, the clerk willi warnock, has a question for the - house managers, the clerk will read the question — house managers, the clerk will read the question in— house managers, the clerk will read the question. is it— house managers, the clerk will read the question-— the question. is it true or false that in the _ the question. is it true or false that in the months _ the question. is it true or false that in the months leading - the question. is it true or false that in the months leading upl the question. is it true or false l that in the months leading up to january— that in the months leading up to january six, dozens of courts, including _ january six, dozens of courts, including state and federal courts
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including state and federal courts in georgia, rejected president trump's — in georgia, rejected president trump's campaign efforts to overturn his toss _ trump's campaign efforts to overturn his toss to— trump's campaign efforts to overturn his loss tojoe biden? trump's campaign efforts to overturn his loss to joe biden?_ trump's campaign efforts to overturn his loss to joe biden? house manager recoanised his loss to joe biden? house manager recognised for — his loss to joe biden? house manager recognised for five _ his loss to joe biden? house manager recognised for five minutes. - his loss to joe biden? house manager recognised for five minutes. mr- recognised for five minutes. president, senators, that recognised for five minutes. my president, senators, that is recognised for five minutes.- president, senators, that is true. that issue. i want to be clear though that we have no problem with the president trump having pursued his belief that the election was being stolen or that there was fraud or corruption or unconstitutionality. we have no problem with him going to court to do it, and he did and he lost in 61 straight cases. in federal court in state court, and the lowest courts in the land come in the us supreme court. he lost it. he lost in courts in pennsylvania, arizona, georgia, michigan, minnesota, nevada, wisconsin, all of them said the same thing. they couldn't find any
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corruption, they couldn't find any fried, nothing rising to a material level that would alter the outcome of any election and no unconstitutionality. that is the american system. and so, i mean, it is hard to believe him having got them or due process and that in pursuing what has come to be known properly as the big ally. the idea that somehow the election was being stolen from him. we have no big problem with the fact he went to court to do all those things. but notice, number one, the big lie was refuted devastated and demolished. in federal and state courts across the land. including by eightjudges appointed by president donald trump himself. we quoted earlier in the case what happened in pennsylvania, where us district courtjudge matthew brand said "in the united states, the court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit, expected total
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allegations" and this can ijustify the disenfranchisement of a single motor let alone all the voters of the six most popular state, our people laws and institutions demand more and then went up tojudge stefan knost cabaye trump appointee, part of the pit the limerick appeals court panel and said the claims have no merit. —— part of the appeals court. the number of challenges is smaller than the margin and it never claimed fraud or any votes are cast tjy claimed fraud or any votes are cast by illegal voters. plus tossing out millions of mail—in ballots would be drastic and unprecedented to disenfranchising a huge swath of the electorate and upsetting all of the down ballot races. which incidentally were not challenged even though it was the exact same ballot that had been brought. the problem was when the president went from his traditional combat which was fine too intimidating and bullying state election officials
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and state legislators and then finally as representative cheney said, summoning a mob, assembling a mob, and then lighting the match for an insurrection against the union when he crossed over from an insurrection against the union when he crossed overfrom nonviolent means, no matter how ridiculous or absurd, that is fine, is exercising his right to inz that. inciting violence, that is what the child is about. we heard very little of that for the presentation of the president's lawyers. they didn't address that case at all. —— that is what this trial is about. they talked about democratic politicians can be things that would be excluded, totally irrelevant to the case before us was that whatever you think about it, it is irrelevant and we will be happy to address the first amendment arguments two. mr president. ,, ., ., ., first amendment arguments two. mr president-_ i - president. senator from maine. i sent a question _ president. senator from maine. i sent a question to _ president. senator from maine. i sent a question to the _ president. senator from maine. i
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sent a question to the desk. - the question is from senator collins and senator— the question is from senator collins and senator markowski, _ the question is from senator collins and senator markowski, it - the question is from senator collins and senator markowski, it is - the question is from senator collins and senator markowski, it is for- the question is from senator collins and senator markowski, it is for thej and senator markowski, it is for the counsel— and senator markowski, it is for the counsel for— and senator markowski, it is for the counsel for the _ and senator markowski, it is for the counsel for the former— and senator markowski, it is for the counsel for the former president. i counsel for the former president. clerical_ counsel for the former president. clerical read _ counsel for the former president. clerical read.— counsel for the former president. clerical read. exactly wounded and president trump _ clerical read. exactly wounded and president trump learned _ clerical read. exactly wounded and president trump learned of - clerical read. exactly wounded and president trump learned of the - president trump learned of the breach— president trump learned of the breach at— president trump learned of the breach at the capital? what specific actions _ breach at the capital? what specific actions that he take to bring the writing — actions that he take to bring the writing to — actions that he take to bring the writing to an end? and when did he take them? — writing to an end? and when did he take them? please be as detailed as
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possible _ read the question again. getting it back _ exactly when did president trump i learned _ exactly when did president trump i learned of— exactly when did president trump i learned of the breach at the capital? _ learned of the breach at the capital? and what specific actions that he _ capital? and what specific actions that he take to bring the writing to an end? _ that he take to bring the writing to an end? and when did he take them? please— an end? and when did he take them? please be_ an end? and when did he take them? please be as— an end? and when did he take them? please be as detailed as possible. -- bring _ please be as detailed as possible. —— bring the rioting. the please be as detailed as possible. -- bring the rioting.— -- bring the rioting. the house managers _ -- bring the rioting. the house managers have _ -- bring the rioting. the house managers have given - -- bring the rioting. the house managers have given us - -- bring the rioting. the house - managers have given us absolute... we are able to piece together a timeline and a because all the way back to december 31, january two, there was a lot of interaction
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between the authorities and getting folks to have security beforehand on the day. we have a tweet at 238 p:m., sometime before then certainly with the rush to bring this impeachment, there has been no investigation into that. that is the problem with this entire proceeding. the house managers there is zero investigation in the american people deserve a lot better coming in here with any evidence, hearsay on top of hearsay, on top of reports that are of hearsay. due process is required here. and that was denied. mr
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president. senator— here. and that was denied. mr president. senator of - here. and that was denied. mr president. senator of nevada. | here. and that was denied. mr| president. senator of nevada. i here. and that was denied. mr - president. senator of nevada. i sent a ruestion president. senator of nevada. i sent a question to — president. senator of nevada. i sent a question to the _ president. senator of nevada. i sent a question to the desk. _ the senator from nevada, senator rosen _ the senator from nevada, senator rosen submits— the senator from nevada, senator rosen, submits a _ the senator from nevada, senator rosen, submits a question - the senator from nevada, senator rosen, submits a question for- the senator from nevada, senator rosen, submits a question for the| rosen, submits a question for the house _ rosen, submits a question for the house of— rosen, submits a question for the house of managers. _ the clerk will read it. on january
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six, the anti-somatic _ the clerk will read it. on january six, the anti-somatic proud - the clerk will read it. on january j six, the anti-somatic proud boys six, the anti—somatic proud boys group _ six, the anti—somatic proud boys group that— six, the anti—somatic proud boys group that president trump had told to standby laid siege to the capital alongside other writers, including one wearing a cap are short church with the _ one wearing a cap are short church with the best anti—somatic proud boys _ with the best anti—somatic proud boys is — with the best anti—somatic proud boys. is there evidence president trump _ boys. is there evidence president trump new— boys. is there evidence president trump new or should have known that his tolerance — trump new or should have known that his tolerance of anti—somatic speech, _ his tolerance of anti—somatic speech, hate speech, combined with his own _ speech, hate speech, combined with his own rhetoric could incite the kind _ his own rhetoric could incite the kind of— his own rhetoric could incite the kind of violence we saw “ oi'i —— onjanuary —— on january six. mr president, senator, donald trump has a long history of praising and encouraging violence as you saw he has this spouts of hateful rhetoric
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himself. he is notjust tolerated it, but he has encouraged people hate speech by others has refused as you saw in the september debate, that interview, to condemn extremists and white supremacist groups like the proud boys. he has had every opportunity encouraged and cultivated actual violence by these groups. —— proud boys. he has encouraged actual violence. notjust the word fight. he told groups like the word fight. he told groups like the proud boys who would be to people with baseball bats to standby. when his supporters in the 50 car caravan try to drive a bus of biden campaign workers off the road, he tweeted a video of that incident with fight music attached to it and wrote "i love texas". when his supporters sent death threats to the republican secretary of state raffensperger in georgia, he
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responded by calling mr raffensperger an enemy of the state, after he knew of those death threats. and in the morning of the second million maga march, when it erupted in violence and burning churches, he began that day with the tweet we have just begun to fight. i want to be clear that donald trump is not on trial for those prior statements. however, that hateful and a violent and inappropriate they may be. but his statements, the president statements make it clear three important points for our case. first, president trump had a pattern and practice of praising and encouraging violence, never condemning it. it is not a coincidence that those very same people, proud boys come organisers of the trunk caravan, supporters and speakers of the second million maga march also it up onjanuary six, to
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an event that he had organised with those same individuals who had organised that violent attack. second, his behaviour is different. it is notjust that it was a common by an official to fight for a cause. this is months of cultivating a base of people who were violent, not potentially violent, but were violent. and that the prior conduct, both to help cultivate the very group of people that attacked us, it also shows clearly that he had that group assembled, he flamed, and other public reports ready to attack, he deliberately encouraged them to engage in violence on january six. president trump has spent months calling his supporters to a march on a specific day, a specific time, for a specific
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purpose. what else were they going to do to stop the certification of the election on that day but to stop you? but to stop you physically! there was no other way particularly after his vice president said that he would refuse to do with the president acts. the point is this, that by the time he called the calvary, cavalry affects thousands of supporters on january six, calvary, cavalry affects thousands of supporters onjanuary six, an event he had invited them to, he had every reason to know that they were arms, violent, and ready to actually fight. he knew he he was calling, and the violence they were capable of. and he still gave his marching orders to go to the capital and
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"fight like hell to stop the steal." how else was that going to happen? if they had stayed at the ellipse, maybe it would've just been violently and fight in protest with their words. violently and fight in protest with theirwords. come violently and fight in protest with their words. come to the capital, thatis their words. come to the capital, that is why this is different, and that is why this is different, and thatis that is why this is different, and that is why this is different, and that is why he must be convicted and equated. —— acquitted. and is qualified. laughter. —— disqualified. mr president. on behalf of senator scott _ mr president. on behalf of senator scott of— mr president. on behalf of senator scott of south carolina and myself, i scott of south carolina and myself, i would _ scott of south carolina and myself, i would like to submit a question to the desk _ i would like to submit a question to the desk. ,, ., ., ., , , the desk. senator from tennessee submits.
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the question is for counsel for the former— the question is for counsel for the former president— the question is for counsel for the former president and _ the question is for counsel for the former president and from - the question is for counsel for the i former president and from senators haggarty— former president and from senators haqqerty and — former president and from senators haqqerty and scott _ former president and from senators haggerty and scott of _ former president and from senators haggerty and scott of south - haggerty and scott of south carolina _ haggerty and scott of south carolina. the _ haggerty and scott of south carolina. the clerk- haggerty and scott of south carolina. the clerk will- haggerty and scott of south carolina. the clerk will read| haggerty and scott of south - carolina. the clerk will read the question — given that more than 200 people have been charged for their conduct at the capitol onjanuary been charged for their conduct at the capitol on january six, been charged for their conduct at the capitol onjanuary six, that our justice _ the capitol onjanuary six, that our justice system is working to hold the appropriate persons or accountable and that president trump is no longer— accountable and that president trump is no longer an office, isn't this simply— is no longer an office, isn't this simply a — is no longer an office, isn't this simply a political show trial that
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is designed to discredit president trump _ is designed to discredit president trump and his policies and shame the 74 million— trump and his policies and shame the 74 million americans who voted for him? _ thank you, senators for that question. precisely that is what the 45th president believes this gathering is about. we believe in law and order and trust that the federal authorities that are conducting investigations and prosecutions against the criminals that evaded this building will continue their work and ambience is aggressive and thorough as we know them to always be. and that they will continue to identify those that entered the inner sanctum of our government and desecrated it. the 45th president no longer holds office. there is no sanction
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available under the constitution in our view for him to be removed from office, and that he no longer holds. the only logical conclusion is that the purpose of this gathering is to embarrass the 45th president of the united states and then in some ways try to create an opportunity for senators to suggest that he should not be permitted to hold office in the future or at the very least publicise throughout the land to try and damages ability to run for office when and if he is acquitted. and at the same time tell the 74 million people who voted for them that their choice was the wrong choice. i believe this is a device of way of going about handling impeachment and it denigrates the great solemnity there should a to such proceedings. i yield the
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remainder of my time. mr president. senator from massachusetts. _ mr president. senator from massachusetts. i— mr president. senator from massachusetts. i said - mr president. senator from massachusetts. i said a - mr president. senator from - massachusetts. i said a question to the house manager— massachusetts. i said a question to the house manager to _ massachusetts. i said a question to the house manager to the - massachusetts. i said a question to the house manager to the desk - the house manager to the desk because — the house manager to the desk because the two they learned in answerm — because the two they learned in answer... because the two they learned in answer- - -_ because the two they learned in answer... , ., ., ., , answer... the senator was in the question- — answer... the senator was in the question- the — answer... the senator was in the question. the bay _ answer... the senator was in the question. the bay is _ answer... the senator was in the question. the bay is not - answer... the senator was in the | question. the bay is not allowed. answer... the senator was in the . question. the bay is not allowed. -- question. the bay is not allowed. —— the senator— question. the bay is not allowed. —— the senator will— question. the bay is not allowed. —— the senator will send _ question. the bay is not allowed. —— the senator will send in _ question. the bay is not allowed. —— the senator will send in the - the senator will send in the question _ the senator will send in the question -- _ the senator will send in the question. —— dee— the senator will send in the question. —— dee bates- the senator will send in the question. —— dee bates is. the question is from senator markey with senator— the question is from senator markey with senator duckworth _ the question is from senator markey with senator duckworth to _ the question is from senator markey with senator duckworth to the - with senator duckworth to the manager—
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with senator duckworth to the manager of— with senator duckworth to the manager of the _ with senator duckworth to the manager of the house - with senator duckworth to the manager of the house of- manager of the house of representatives. - manager of the house of representatives. the - manager of the house of. representatives. the clerk manager of the house of- representatives. the clerk will manager of the house of— representatives. the clerk will read the question — representatives. the clerk will read the question-— the question. exactly when did the president learned _ the question. exactly when did the president learned of _ the question. exactly when did the president learned of the _ the question. exactly when did the president learned of the breach i the question. exactly when did the president learned of the breach at| president learned of the breach at the capital, and what steps did he take to _ the capital, and what steps did he take to address the violence? please be as— take to address the violence? please be as detailed as possible.
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mr president, senators, this attack was on live tv. on all major networks in real time. the president as president has access to intelligence information, including reports from inside the capital. he knew the violence that was under way, he knew the severity of the threats and most importantly, he knew the capitol police were overwhelmingly outnumbered and in a fight for their lives against thousands of insurgents with weapons. we know he knew that. we know that he did not send any individuals, we didn't hear any tweets, we didn't hear him tell
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those individuals to stop. this is wrong. "you must go back." we didn't have that. so what else did the president do? we are unclear. but we believe it was a dereliction of his duty and that was because he was the one who had cost him to come to the capital. and they were doing what he asked them to do bus so there was no need for him to stop them from what they were engaged in. but one of the things i would like to ask is we still have not heard and post to you all the questions that were raised by mr raskin in his closing argument. why did the president trump not tell the protesters to stop as soon as he learned about it? why did president trump do nothing to stop the attack for two hours after the attack began? why did president trump do nothing to help
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protect the capital and law enforcement, battling the insurgents, you saw the body cam of a capital police officer for a 20 9pm still fighting. 4:29pm. since one o'clock, two o'clock in the afternoon. why did he not condemn the violent insurrection onjanuary six? both of the questions that we have as well. the reason this question this keeps coming up is because the answer is nothing. mr president. senatorfrom because the answer is nothing. mr president. senator from utah. because the answer is nothing. mr president. senatorfrom utah. i because the answer is nothing. mr. president. senator from utah. i send a ruestion president. senator from utah. i send a question to — president. senator from utah. i send a question to the _ president. senator from utah. i send a question to the desk. _
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the senator from utah, mr romney, himself. _ the senator from utah, mr romney, himself, senator— the senator from utah, mr romney, himself, senator collins— the senator from utah, mr romney, himself, senator collins submitted l himself, senator collins submitted question— himself, senator collins submitted question and — himself, senator collins submitted question and the _ himself, senator collins submitted question and the clerk _ himself, senator collins submitted question and the clerk will - himself, senator collins submitted question and the clerk will read . himself, senator collins submitted question and the clerk will read it. | question and the clerk will read it. i question and the clerk will read it. i apologise — question and the clerk will read it. i apologise the _ question and the clerk will read it. i apologise. the question- question and the clerk will read it. i apologise. the question is- question and the clerk will read it. i apologise. the question is for. i apologise. the question is for both— i apologise. the question is for both size _ i apologise. the question is for both size. the _ i apologise. the question is for both size. the time _ i apologise. the question is for both size. the time it - i apologise. the question is for both size. the time it will- i apologise. the question is for both size. the time it will be . both size. the time it will be evenly— both size. the time it will be evenly divided. _ both size. the time it will be evenly divided. —— _ both size. the time it will be evenly divided. —— both - both size. the time it will be i evenly divided. —— both sides. both size. the time it will be evenly divided. -- both sides. when president trump _ evenly divided. -- both sides. when president trump said _ evenly divided. -- both sides. when president trump said the _ evenly divided. —— both sidesm president trump said the disparaging tweet at— president trump said the disparaging tweet at 2:24pm regarding vice president pence, was he aware that vice president had been removed from the senate _ vice president had been removed from the senate by the secret service for his safety? —
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the senate by the secret service for his safety? the the senate by the secret service for his safe ? ., , ., ., in time will be evenly divided. will the clerk— in time will be evenly divided. will the clerk read _ in time will be evenly divided. will the clerk read the _ in time will be evenly divided. will the clerk read the question - in time will be evenly divided. will the clerk read the question again? j the clerk read the question again? when _ the clerk read the question again? when president _ the clerk read the question again? when president trump _ the clerk read the question again? when president trump sent - the clerk read the question again? when president trump sent a - when president trump sent a disparaging tweet at 2:24pm regarding vice president pence, was he aware _ regarding vice president pence, was he aware that the vice president had been removed from the senate by the secret— been removed from the senate by the secret service for his safety? the house of representatives managers are recognised — house of representatives managers are recognised with _ house of representatives managers are recognised with two _ house of representatives managers are recognised with two and - house of representatives managers are recognised with two and half - are recognised with two and half minutes — are recognised with two and half minutes. . ~ are recognised with two and half minutes. ., ,, , ., are recognised with two and half minutes. . ~ , ., , ., minutes. thank you. let me tell you what he said — minutes. thank you. let me tell you what he said at _ minutes. thank you. let me tell you what he said at 2:24pm. _ minutes. thank you. let me tell you what he said at 2:24pm. he - minutes. thank you. let me tell you what he said at 2:24pm. he said - minutes. thank you. let me tell you. what he said at 2:24pm. he said mike pence didn't have the courage to do which should've been done to protect our country and our constitution.
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the usa demands the truth. and you know by now what was all over the media. you couldn't turn on the television or radio, you can consume any media or take any phone calls or anything else without hearing about this. and also hearing about the vice president. here is what donald trump had to know at that time because the whole world knew it. all of us knew it. live television had by this point shown that the insurgents were already inside the building and that they had weapons and that the police were outnumbered. and here are the facts they are not in dispute. donald trump had not taken any measures to send help to the overwhelmed capital police. as president come at that point when you see all this going on in the people around you are imploring you to do something, you're vice president is there, why wouldn't you do it? donald trump did not publicly condemned the attack and the attackers or told him to
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stand down despite multiple pleas to do so and donald trump hadn't even acknowledged the attack. and after wednesday's trial portion can conclude, senator two pavel spoke to reporters and confirm the call he had with the president and did not dispute manager cecily description in any way that there was a call between he and the president. —— senator tuberville. this was around the time that mike pence was being ushered out of the chamber. and that was shortly after 2pm. and senator tuberville specifically said that he told the president, "mr president, theyjust took the told the president, "mr president, they just took the vice president out and i have to go." that was shortly after two p:m.. they were still hours of chaos and carnage and mayhem in the vice president and his family were still in danger at that point. our commander—in—chief did nothing. point. our commander-in-chief did nothinu. ., , ., .,
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nothing. counsel for the former president- _ nothing. counsel for the former president. the _

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