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vulnerable groups by monday. hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are the broadcaster and psychotherapist, lucy beresford, and joe twyman who is the director of the polling organisation deltapoll. tomorrow's front pages. starting with. a look ahead to the easing of lockdown on the front page of the sunday telegraph. christopher hope reports that in england, we'll be allowed to meet a friend on a bench and to gather outdoors with our own household from the 8th of march — according to a senior government source. the paper also reports that primary schools should open on that same date, with secondary schools to follow a week later. but tim shipman's lead article for tomorrow's sunday times disagrees — saying that all children
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in england will return to school on eighth of march. �*back in the pub garden for easter�* reads the headline from the mail on sunday — the paper reports that outdoor hospitality could open in england in time for the easter weekend. a warning on the front of the observer as the government nears its target of offering the coronavirus vaccine to 15 million people by mid february. professor sarah gilbert, of the oxford vaccine center, has told the paper that lessons haven't been learned until far too late, and in some respect remain still unlearned, citing the issue of airborne transmission in quarantine hotels as an example. this must be final lockdown' reads the front of the the sunday express — as 63 conservative mps urge the prime minister to end all restrictions in england by may, with no more lockdowns in future. and an exclusive on the front page of the independent —
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nurses warn of a disaster for tens of thousands of covid patients discharged from hospitals, as the need for long term care for them places increased pressure on community care services. so let's begin... lucy and joe thank you once again forjoining us for a look at tomorrow's front pages. we start with the front page of the observer. it carries a picture of us senators including all of the democrats and republicans who voted in the impeachment trial this evening of the former president donald trump. says us senators including minority leader mitch mcconnell huddle after the senate voted to hear witnesses in his second impeachment trial of donald trump. they voted to hear witnesses but in the end they didn't hear any witnesses. and the vote happened as expected. the former president has been found not guilty. yes. there was an extraordinary development today with the democrats to call for witnesses to which then
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president, ex—president trump�*s team said well if you're going to call witnesses i must have his many witnesses i must have his many witnesses as juergen witnesses i must have his many witnesses asjuergen have. in fact i can have as many as 100 witnesses. it's almost the democrats could see this process running away from them. and they blinked and they said no actually we don't need to have witnesses. it's very possible that this impeachment trial could have gone on for weeks. and that in itself would have been impeding some of the bills that president biden would like to point out there. particularly the package to counteract the economic gravities of covid. so the democrats did see sense. they did withdraw their request to have witnesses and as a result there was a vote and trump was acquitted. the story doesn't stop there. if the senate had convicted him then they would've also had the opportunity to actually stop him running forfuture office. and that of course now hasn't happened. so he has come out and
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said you haven't seen the last of me yet. and so we wait with baited breath to see what the next moves will be. unfortunately, the acquittal has happened but it doesn't mean the end of the saga. joe, what do you think this means in terms of the republican party and the damage done to that party and to the damage done to that party and to the american political system? that is a really interesting question. 0ne is a really interesting question. one to — is a really interesting question. one to which we don't yet know the answen _ one to which we don't yet know the answer. mitch mcconnell the minority leader_ answer. mitch mcconnell the minority leader in_ answer. mitch mcconnell the minority leader in the senate for the republican stood up after the acquittal was announced and gave the most in _ acquittal was announced and gave the most in many way, bizarre speech talking _ most in many way, bizarre speech talking about the fact that it had been _ talking about the fact that it had been the — talking about the fact that it had been the conspiracy theories that donald _ been the conspiracy theories that donald trump had been paddling and the various— donald trump had been paddling and the various rhetoric that he had thrown — the various rhetoric that he had thrown around that had incited this crowd~ _ thrown around that had incited this crowd~ and — thrown around that had incited this crowd. and that it was under donald trump _ crowd. and that it was under donald trump banner, under the flag of donald — trump banner, under the flag of donald trump and chanting donald trump _ donald trump and chanting donald trump name that this crowd stormed the capital _ trump name that this crowd stormed the capital. that's the kind of speech— the capital. that's the kind of speech you would expect from the
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prosecutors on the democrat side. not from _ prosecutors on the democrat side. not from the republicans. and certainly— not from the republicans. and certainly not from a senior republican. then towards the end of his speech _ republican. then towards the end of his speech he rolled back and he pivoted — his speech he rolled back and he pivoted and said but being that as it may— pivoted and said but being that as it may this— pivoted and said but being that as it may this was not constitutional or the _ it may this was not constitutional or the right way of dealing with this _ or the right way of dealing with this that— or the right way of dealing with this. that only a sitting president can he _ this. that only a sitting president can be impeached. and that that out in the _ can be impeached. and that that out in the constitution this wasn't the right— in the constitution this wasn't the right thing. ultimately this comes after the — right thing. ultimately this comes after the to the fact that 67 senators _ after the to the fact that 67 senators needed to vote for impeachment. that was always a very, very large _ impeachment. that was always a very, very large number for the democrats to achieve _ very large number for the democrats to achieve. they achieved 57 this time _ to achieve. they achieved 57 this time around which historically is the largest support there's never been _ the largest support there's never been for— the largest support there's never been for an impeachment. well short of the _ been for an impeachment. well short of the two _ been for an impeachment. well short of the two thirds that was required. moving _ of the two thirds that was required. moving forward, what really will the republican party do now? will they embrace _ republican party do now? will they embrace trump fully? with a look to distance _ embrace trump fully? with a look to distance themselves and where they split on? _ distance themselves and where they split on? having different candidates take different approaches. it really is an existential question for them. because — existential question for them. because many republicans believe
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that in— because many republicans believe that in order to achieve power, which — that in order to achieve power, which is — that in order to achieve power, which is so _ that in order to achieve power, which is so important to so many of them, _ which is so important to so many of them, in _ which is so important to so many of them, in orderto which is so important to so many of them, in order to achieve power they have to _ them, in order to achieve power they have to at _ them, in order to achieve power they have to at least to some degree ensure — have to at least to some degree ensure they bring on side those trump — ensure they bring on side those trump supporters who otherwise would sit on _ trump supporters who otherwise would sit on their— trump supporters who otherwise would sit on their hands. if large numbers of trump _ sit on their hands. if large numbers of trump support to sit on their hands _ of trump support to sit on their hands next _ of trump support to sit on their hands next time around the republicans will not win. that is the challenge _ republicans will not win. that is the challenge that _ republicans will not win. that is the challenge that faces - republicans will not win. that is the challenge that faces them. l the challenge that faces them. interesting stuff. let's move on to the telegraph. picnics and coffee in the telegraph. picnics and coffee in the park from march the 8th. this number of the sunday papers carrying this story was a briefing from government sources giving a rough outline of what could potentially happen in terms of lifting lockdown. interesting thing is, this time it looks as if it's going to be a national lifting of lockdown as opposed to doing it according to area. he opposed to doing it according to area. . , , , opposed to doing it according to area. ., , , , ., �* opposed to doing it according to area. , , ., �* , area. he has. they 'ust won't be enou:h area. he has. they 'ust won't be enough benches, _ area. he has. they 'ust won't be enough benches, i _ area. he has. theyjust won't be enough benches, i don't - area. he has. theyjust won't be enough benches, i don't think. area. he has. theyjust won't be | enough benches, i don't think for all of us to quickly go and want to sit on. itjust seems a strange
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aspiration to have to sit on a bench. the difficulty is that human beings work best when they have clarity. we are not very good with the unknown. what we've been longing for is clarity in a situation where there is just simply not only no clarity but the picture changes so often. because we are dealing with the virus in the virus doesn't really conform to human behavior. so what we've got is a government that wants to offer a glimmer of hope. it certainly wants to ensure that the fiasco of last summer, of children not being in school, exams not taken place doesn't get repeated in quite the same way. so they aren't terribly concerned to make sure as many children go back to school as possible as early as possible. they want to balance that out in terms of the economy. i'm very struck by this idea that it has an awful echo of what happened in november where we kept talking about saving christmas. it's almost now it if easter has
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become the thing that needs to be protected. and sunday at lunch in a pub garden with your family, as if that's what everybody does at easter time. that's now become the totemic image that the government is straining towards. but i think they need to be careful because if they set these goals to firmly and they say we are going to open schools on the 8th of march and then were going to be thinking about what happens on easter sunday. which i think easter is quite early this year, i think it's a third or the fourth mac of april. that still quite a lot that will happen in those four weeks. we know when children go back to school it is very possible that the r number will rise again. so you are right, the restrictions and will hopefully be more nimble at this time around for that they will be that blanket lockdown but perhaps something a little bit more nuanced. the bottom line is the government doesn't necessarily know what it's dealing with, it has aspirations, it
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has a wish list of what it wants but it can't really commit to say whether things will be the same on the 8th of march and then on easter sunday. the 8th of march and then on easter sunda . g ., the 8th of march and then on easter sunda . , ., ., the 8th of march and then on easter sunda ., ., ., i. the 8th of march and then on easter sunda ., ., , sunday. joe, do you agree? yes, i think this is _ sunday. joe, do you agree? yes, i think this is best _ sunday. joe, do you agree? yes, i think this is best described - sunday. joe, do you agree? yes, i think this is best described as - think this is best described as wishful— think this is best described as wishful briefing. a number of the newspapers say this is a roadmap. if it is a _ newspapers say this is a roadmap. if it is a road _ newspapers say this is a roadmap. if it is a road map it's sort of back of the _ it is a road map it's sort of back of the napkin with vague instructions you might get from a relative — instructions you might get from a relative is— instructions you might get from a relative. is not particularly helpful _ relative. is not particularly helpful. but nor can it be because nobody _ helpful. but nor can it be because nobody knows exactly what will happen — nobody knows exactly what will happen with the virus. not over the next few— happen with the virus. not over the next few days, few weeks, few months — next few days, few weeks, few months. so you have a situation where _ months. so you have a situation where the — months. so you have a situation where the government may well want to say— where the government may well want to say exactly where those different points _ to say exactly where those different points are, — to say exactly where those different points are, what we will be doing when _ points are, what we will be doing when but — points are, what we will be doing when but it knows it can't commit to something _ when but it knows it can't commit to something now. and only have to roll back as _ something now. and only have to roll back as the _ something now. and only have to roll back as the situation on the ground changes _ back as the situation on the ground changes. that's why for instance, some _ changes. that's why for instance, some of— changes. that's why for instance, some of the — changes. that's why for instance, some of the newspapers talk about the fact— some of the newspapers talk about the fact that schools will be going back on— the fact that schools will be going back on the 8th of march. the times
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in the _ back on the 8th of march. the times in the mail— back on the 8th of march. the times in the mail talk about that. but the telegraph. — in the mail talk about that. but the telegraph, is less i'm sorry, more hesitant— telegraph, is less i'm sorry, more hesitant about schools the intention, the hope is they will go back on— intention, the hope is they will go back on the 8th of march. but then it maybe _ back on the 8th of march. but then it maybe that won't happen. by the 30th of— it maybe that won't happen. by the 30th of march maybe we will have pub garden~ _ 30th of march maybe we will have pub garden. maybe we will have tennis and golf _ garden. maybe we will have tennis and golf. at the point is, it may be. and golf. at the point is, it may be it's— and golf. at the point is, it may be it's lots— and golf. at the point is, it may be. it's lots of questions, lots of its imports — be. it's lots of questions, lots of its imports and the only thing that will decide that is the situation with the — will decide that is the situation with the virus. various mutations and the _ with the virus. various mutations and the infection rate have been worrving — and the infection rate have been worrying. the direction of travel is positive _ worrying. the direction of travel is positive over the last few weeks in terms _ positive over the last few weeks in terms of— positive over the last few weeks in terms of fall in infection, a fall in hospitalisations and a fall of death— in hospitalisations and a fall of death race was about that there is no guarantee that that will continue. we saw in the summer how he rushed _ continue. we saw in the summer how he rushed open back up could have at least contributed to some extent to the rise _ least contributed to some extent to the rise that we saw again later in the rise that we saw again later in the air _ the rise that we saw again later in the air that— the rise that we saw again later in the air. that is what the government desperately, desperately wants to avoid _ desperately, desperately wants to avoid as— desperately, desperately wants to avoid as we head into the summer. let's _ avoid as we head into the summer. let's pick—
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avoid as we head into the summer. let's pick for— avoid as we head into the summer. let's pick for the sunday times and talked about another story on the front page. sticking with covid we are talking about vaccines. vaccine trials for children. charles coronavirus vaccine as young as five are set to begin within days. the article says that it's basically laying the groundwork for potentially a childhood immunisation programme that could protect people from covid—19 for most of their lives. lucy, that would be pretty amazing if it did happen. it’s lives. lucy, that would be pretty amazing if it did happen.- amazing if it did happen. it's an incredible story. _ amazing if it did happen. it's an incredible story. there - amazing if it did happen. it's an incredible story. there are - amazing if it did happen. it's an incredible story. there are a - amazing if it did happen. it's an - incredible story. there are a couple of elements in that story. they're also exploring the fact that pfizer is looking to tweak its vaccine so that it no longer needs to be kept at a really cold temperature. which would have huge implications for rolling it out for example in countries that don't have very secure refrigeration. this is a really important idea that you could actually give children a vaccine in much the same way as eight now currently have a vaccine for things like polio. that could actually confer immunity for most of their
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lives. there is some expectation that maybe the immunity would decline over time and that perhaps we would need those children to have boosters later in life. but it's an extraordinary situation from where we were a year ago. we barely heard of covid and we were starting to panic. now we've got a situation where we might be able to get the younger generations with more immunity going forward that we could ever have dreamt possible. at the moment the vaccines that we've got do not give us that same level of protection. and there is an argument to say that were going to have to live with covid. and perhaps have a covid flu jab every year. this is a real game changer. if we can get that level of immunity in a particular generation, just wonders what science can do. it’s particular generation, 'ust wonders what science can do._ what science can do. it's really heartening — what science can do. it's really heartening. joe, _ what science can do. it's really heartening. joe, the _ what science can do. it's really heartening. joe, the wonders. what science can do. it's really. heartening. joe, the wonders of science. yes, _ heartening. joe, the wonders of science. yes, absolutely. - heartening. joe, the wonders of science. yes, absolutely. lucy l heartening. joe, the wonders of| science. yes, absolutely. lucy is right— science. yes, absolutely. lucy is right if— science. yes, absolutely. lucy is right if you — science. yes, absolutely. lucy is right if you compare where we were at this— right if you compare where we were at this time — right if you compare where we were at this time last year the virus was 'ust at this time last year the virus was just emerging to where we are now
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coming _ just emerging to where we are now coming up— just emerging to where we are now coming up to 15 million people having — coming up to 15 million people having received their first vaccination. it is clearly a huge trial~ _ vaccination. it is clearly a huge trial it— vaccination. it is clearly a huge trial. if that continues by this time — trial. if that continues by this time next _ trial. if that continues by this time next year who knows what the situation _ time next year who knows what the situation could be. that is the question _ situation could be. that is the question. who knows where we could be? it _ question. who knows where we could be? it would be great and obviously a huge _ be? it would be great and obviously a huge bonus if we could for instance. _ a huge bonus if we could for instance, and the next year develop vaccines _ instance, and the next year develop vaccines that dealt with all different mutations, only required on chart, — different mutations, only required on chart, didn't he refrigeration and so — on chart, didn't he refrigeration and so on — on chart, didn't he refrigeration and so on and so forth. all of these are things — and so on and so forth. all of these are things that will be tested as we speak _ are things that will be tested as we speak the — are things that will be tested as we speak. the article talks about in fact the — speak. the article talks about in fact the vaccinations for people 12 years— fact the vaccinations for people 12 years upward are being tested, over 2000 _ years upward are being tested, over 2000 have — years upward are being tested, over 2000 have been tested so far. but of course, _ 2000 have been tested so far. but of course, we _ 2000 have been tested so far. but of course, we cannot pin our hopes purely— course, we cannot pin our hopes purely on — course, we cannot pin our hopes purely on that for some because there _ purely on that for some because there is— purely on that for some because there is no— purely on that for some because there is no guarantee that that's necessarily will be a success. so the issue — necessarily will be a success. so the issue is— necessarily will be a success. so the issue is that the government faces— the issue is that the government faces around lockdown notjust the issue is that the government faces around lockdown not just a course _ faces around lockdown not just a course of — faces around lockdown not just a course of this country but all over the world, —
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course of this country but all over the world, those issues are not going _ the world, those issues are not going to — the world, those issues are not going to go away in the short to medium—term. and if they're not dealt _ medium—term. and if they're not dealt with— medium—term. and if they're not dealt with appropriately than the vaccination programme will need to be all— vaccination programme will need to be all the _ vaccination programme will need to be all the more successful in order to return _ be all the more successful in order to return to— be all the more successful in order to return to some semblance of normalcv — to return to some semblance of normalcy. but we don't know where that will— normalcy. but we don't know where that will be — normalcy. but we don't know where that will be or when that will be. joe and — that will be or when that will be. joe and lucy as always, it's been really good to talk to both of you. to get your insides and your thoughts. and of course i look at tomorrow's paper with you both. thank you once again. that's it for the papers this hour. goodbye for now. hello, and welcome to be the film review with me, mark kermode, reminding you that while cinemas might be closed due to lockdown,
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there are still plenty of new movies to be enjoyed in the comfort and safety of your own home. the biggest release of the week is news of the world, writer—director paul greengrass's visually expansive but oddly intimate adaptation of paulettejiles's 2016 novel which comes on like the searches or true grit crossed with broadcast news. these are difficult times. bad times. captain! i shoot, you go. the setting may be post—civil war north texas, but there's no mistaking the contemporary parallels as tom hanks's captainjefferson kyle kidd travels the land, dramatically reading stories from a selection of newspapers and journals like a protean news feed editor.

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