how are you going to go about it? well, you know, small but mighty. i believe that we can get there. i want to inspire women and girls to believe in themselves, step forward, and make the change that they want to see happen. one child, one teacher, one book and one pen can change the world. oftentimes when you don't see a person of your background, of your skin colour, on the stage in these fields, you underestimate yourself. you think that you may not be able to do that, to do that work. so i think when we have more role models it will encourage us to believe in ourselves. and the world is in a state of flux at the moment. this is a world you'll be reflecting, i assume in your tv programmes.

are you optimistic or are you pessimistic? i am optimistic but i don't want to deny the reality. there are things that are not fair. there is inequality, there is racism, there is sexism, there is discrimination. so we cannot deny that. but i'm optimistic about the change that we can bring. and i'm also optimistic about the fact that we have seen change throughout history. but we have seen that because people in our past have stood up. now it's our time that we do it for our future generation and ourselves that we bring that change. fanfare malala, the youngest person to be awarded the nobel prize for peace, has become an influencer with international reach, a global brand of sorts, with her own charity, book club, social media following and now this new tv production deal. proof that in a new world of content it's not who you know that counts but how many millions of people know you.

will gompertz, bbc news. that's it. now on bbc one, time for the news where you are. have a very good night. hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. to what the papers will be with me are henry zeffman, chief political correspondent at the times, and lizzy buchan, political correspondent at the daily mirror. tomorrow's front pages. let's start with the daily telegraph. the fallout from the interview harry and meghan gave to oprah winfrey continues to dominate the front pages. the daily telegraph's headline claims that the us president joe biden has praised meghan�*s courage in disclosing her trouble. "what have they done?" in big capital letters is the headline on the front page of the daily mail. the guardian says that the palace is in crisis following the devastating

racism claims made by meghan in her interview with oprah winfrey. the i also carries the same claims as the guardian. and the "war of the windsors", as the metro dubs it, dominates the front page. we are on di now come it! —— in the i now, but memorise it. it carries a full page black—and—white picture of the duke and duchess of sussex, with the headline "just the four of us now". you got a ruffed just of it. let's begin. i wonder what we'll talk about. the main story, of course, there is only one. the interview has obviously dominated here and in america as well. we start with the daily telegraph, the headline there duchess has shown coverage, says biden. henry zeffman, this is a story notjust on the side of the atlantic but the other.— atlantic but the other. that's ri . ht. atlantic but the other. that's riuht. i

atlantic but the other. that's right. i remember _ atlantic but the other. that's right. i remember being - atlantic but the other. that's right. i remember being in i atlantic but the other. that's - right. i remember being in pretty world parts of iowa, just after meghan and henry first announced they were effectively leaving the royal family, they were effectively leaving the royalfamily, and it was they were effectively leaving the royal family, and it was the only thing anybody wanted to talk about. i was there covering a presidential election which eventually resulted injoe election which eventually resulted in joe biden election which eventually resulted injoe biden becoming president, but theyjust wanted to know injoe biden becoming president, but they just wanted to know what injoe biden becoming president, but theyjust wanted to know what i thought about harry and meghan, and it's the own thing, it is done by an american broadcaster, 18, i9 it's the own thing, it is done by an american broadcaster, 18, 19 hours before anyone in the uk could at least legally see it, and, look, this is a story which will reverberate around the world. one of the big arguments monarchists have made over the years is the impact it has... one of the country that loves that the most is america, but you have to wonder after what has happened in this interview tonight in the uk,

whether that image will be quite as rosy in the coming days, weeks, months, years. rosy in the coming days, weeks, months. yew-— rosy in the coming days, weeks, months, years. rosy in the coming days, weeks, months, ears. , �* . ., ., months, years. lizzy buchan from the mirror, it months, years. lizzy buchan from the mirror. it was — months, years. lizzy buchan from the mirror, it was really _ months, years. lizzy buchan from the mirror, it was really interesting, - mirror, it was really interesting, borisjohnson was asked about it in the news conference. onejournalist had a go, and another said this is about britain's reputation in the world, it was notjust a royal story, it is about britain and how it response to allegation of racism also your thoughts?— also your thoughts? yes, boris johnson also your thoughts? yes, boris johnson did — also your thoughts? yes, boris johnson did not _ also your thoughts? yes, boris johnson did not want _ also your thoughts? yes, boris johnson did not want to - also your thoughts? yes, boris| johnson did not want to answer also your thoughts? yes, boris - johnson did not want to answer any johnson did not want to answer any questions _ johnson did not want to answer any questions on this. when we had our daily briefing with his people, they said he _ daily briefing with his people, they said he would give an answer during a press _ said he would give an answer during a press conference, and during the press _ a press conference, and during the press conference he did not answer anything. _ press conference he did not answer anything, apart from what wittingly saying _ anything, apart from what wittingly saying he _ anything, apart from what wittingly saying he has huge respect from the queen— saying he has huge respect from the queen but_ saying he has huge respect from the queen but other than that he would not do _ queen but other than that he would not do so _ queen but other than that he would not do so downing street are desperate to not be a part of this in anyway—

desperate to not be a part of this in anyway to and up offending buckingham palace or getting involved in this what could be a very— involved in this what could be a very difficult row, but the problem is obviously, as you've just raised, is obviously, as you've just raised, is a story— is obviously, as you've just raised, is a story with global significance and a _ is a story with global significance and a lot— is a story with global significance and a lot of the claims that meghan and a lot of the claims that meghan and harry— and a lot of the claims that meghan and harry have made, the duke and duchess _ and harry have made, the duke and duchess of— and harry have made, the duke and duchess of sussex have made, are very damaging to the british monarchy and to the british media and to— monarchy and to the british media and to the, — monarchy and to the british media and to the, certainly in some ways, to the _ and to the, certainly in some ways, to the bridge public, sol and to the, certainly in some ways, to the bridge public, so i suppose there _ to the bridge public, so i suppose there made come a point where number 10 feels— there made come a point where number 10 feels they do need to say something. 10 feels they do need to say something-— 10 feels they do need to say somethina. ., ., , ., 10 feels they do need to say somethin. ., ., , ., something. that telegraph front page was reasonably _ something. that telegraph front page was reasonably sympathetic - something. that telegraph front page was reasonably sympathetic towards l was reasonably sympathetic towards the couple. let's look at the daily mail, which has a slightly different tack. question — what have they done? i did ask whether this was written by piers morgan, it was not, it was by rebecca english. clearly, there was a view in the mirror, henry zeffman, there is not to be a huge amount of sympathy. —— the

mail. i think from the sort of early polling, which started to come out today yellow neck from yougov and others, it is reflecting a larger slice of the public, albeit before they had seen in most of the cases they had seen in most of the cases the interview. the reality is that a lot of people in the country will feel like harry and meghan are reducing the institution of the monarchy, of course there are lots of people who do not feel that way, but you see the daily mail as the voice of a certain slice of the uk demographic, i don't stop for a second actor but people are going to feel vehemently angry at what harry meghan did! i do not for a second thing. supporters of harry and

meghan would say that they are making some pretty serious allegations by the conduct of the monarchy, perhaps none more serious than the allegation that a member of the royalfamily, we have since learned not apparently the queen or prince philip, but an unspecified member of the royal family made some weird remark morstead weird come about the potential skin colour of their future child about the potential skin colour of theirfuture child —— about the potential skin colour of their future child —— well, about the potential skin colour of theirfuture child —— well, than weird. and clearly, the people on harry and meghan's side say that's is very serious things about the place of the monarchy, and the daily mail are on the other side of that argument, but all would agree these are serious claims, and that is what you have an emotional headline on the front of the daily mail. mast the front of the daily mail. most organisations _ the front of the daily mail. most organisations have _ the front of the daily mail. most organisations have particles - the front of the daily mail. most organisations have particles in place if someone feels they have been the victim of a racial attack. there will be complaining, there

will be a department that investigates. do you get your sense, from your understanding of british institutions, that buckingham palace has this kind of set up? this institutions, that buckingham palace has this kind of set up?— has this kind of set up? this is one of thins has this kind of set up? this is one of things meghan _ has this kind of set up? this is one of things meghan speaks _ has this kind of set up? this is one of things meghan speaks about. has this kind of set up? this is one l of things meghan speaks about quite a lot in the interview, is of things meghan speaks about quite a lot in the interview,— a lot in the interview, is that she felt that she _ a lot in the interview, is that she felt that she had _ a lot in the interview, is that she felt that she had these _ a lot in the interview, is that she felt that she had these expertly l a lot in the interview, is that she i felt that she had these expertly sad side of— felt that she had these expertly sad side of her— felt that she had these expertly sad side of her side of the story that she had — side of her side of the story that she had been feeling suicidal when she had been feeling suicidal when she was— she had been feeling suicidal when she was heavily pregnant, that she had asked — she was heavily pregnant, that she had asked for help and that she had not been _ had asked for help and that she had not been able to get it. —— excursion _ not been able to get it. —— excursion lisette story. we do not have _ excursion lisette story. we do not have the _ excursion lisette story. we do not have the other side of the story, so those _ have the other side of the story, so those are _ have the other side of the story, so those are her words, but it is clear from _ those are her words, but it is clear from the _ those are her words, but it is clear from the way that she describes her situation _ from the way that she describes her situation in — from the way that she describes her situation in there that there was not a _ situation in there that there was not a sort — situation in there that there was not a sort of modern set up like you would _ not a sort of modern set up like you would have — not a sort of modern set up like you would have in a big business or whatever, _ would have in a big business or whatever, the royal family is a family— whatever, the royal family is a family and a very old institution, and so _ family and a very old institution, and so it— family and a very old institution, and so it does not have perhaps the same _ and so it does not have perhaps the same protocols as you might have in

a large. _ same protocols as you might have in a large. the — same protocols as you might have in a large, the full of that is not to say that— a large, the full of that is not to say that there may not have been these _ say that there may not have been these things in place —— a large company — these things in place —— a large company. that is not to say. we do not know _ company. that is not to say. we do not know what went on behind the scenes _ not know what went on behind the scenes. her, she says she asked for help and _ scenes. her, she says she asked for help and was— scenes. her, she says she asked for help and was denied it, which is honestly— help and was denied it, which is honestly desperately sad, but we do not have _ honestly desperately sad, but we do not have buckingham palace's side of the story, _ not have buckingham palace's side of the story, so it is difficult to say what _ the story, so it is difficult to say what the — the story, so it is difficult to say what the picture really is behind closed _ what the picture really is behind closed doors.— what the picture really is behind closed doors. , ' . closed doors. henry zeffman, never complained — closed doors. henry zeffman, never complained never _ closed doors. henry zeffman, never complained never explain _ closed doors. henry zeffman, never complained never explain has - closed doors. henry zeffman, never| complained never explain has always been the palace's manager. does that work in this case? i do been the palace's manager. does that work in this case?— work in this case? i do not think it will work- — work in this case? i do not think it will work- in _ work in this case? i do not think it will work. in some _ work in this case? i do not think it will work. in some form, - work in this case? i do not think it will work. in some form, the - work in this case? i do not think it i will work. in some form, the queen is probably going to have to say something about this. i thing the allegations are just too serious to brush off. i do not necessarily think that the monarchy is going to fall soon. i think there was a bit of overheated rhetoric about that and the monarchy has survived a lot

of stuff over centuries. but i do think it is very serious and i mentioned earlier what we know, what little we know of public opinion so far, it is true lots of people to feel very badly towards harry and meghan, but one thing that has been so interesting is there a very clear generational split, and people under the age of 30, perhaps under the age of 40, are much more likely to be so to harry and meghan. that is not going to be a problem to the queen —— more likely to be some pathetic. one day, that will be a problem for king charles or king william or even king charles or king william or even king george come in so i do think that the royalfamily king george come in so i do think that the royal family is going to have to get, work on some way of trying to win that narrative, try it actually answer some of these very serious allegations and give an account of itself that answer some of the serious charges that were just laid out by lizzie. if they do not have a good answer, people will feel rightly ill disposed towards

the institution.— feel rightly ill disposed towards the institution. let's pick up that oint will the institution. let's pick up that point will be _ the institution. let's pick up that point will be look _ the institution. let's pick up that point will be look at _ the institution. let's pick up that point will be look at the - the institution. let's pick up that point will be look at the times i point will be look at the times newspaper. of course it leads on the same story. the headline... the subtitle, queen demands more time to consider royalfamily subtitle, queen demands more time to consider royal family response to oprah interview. lizzy, henry has looked forward to future monarchs, including prince charles, whenever he takes over. we have to say this is the second time when a member of his family has given interview calling him inconsiderate and uncaring, following diana, now his own son. how might this impact away the nation sees future head of state? i the nation sees future head of state? ., , , the nation sees future head of state? ~' , , ., ., state? i think it is very damaging, i think state? i think it is very damaging, i think henry's _ state? i think it is very damaging, i think henry's very _ state? i think it is very damaging, i think henry's very right - state? i think it is very damaging, i think henry's very right that - i think henry's very right that white — i think henry's very right that while a — i think henry's very right that while a lot of the things that have been _ while a lot of the things that have been said — while a lot of the things that have been said are going to have to be found, _ been said are going to have to be found, crew buckingham palace is going _ found, crew buckingham palace is going to _ found, crew buckingham palace is going to have to find a way to enter these _ going to have to find a way to enter these allegations, do try to either

soften— these allegations, do try to either soften the — these allegations, do try to either soften the narrative or to explain their— soften the narrative or to explain their side — soften the narrative or to explain their side of things, because it does _ their side of things, because it does not — their side of things, because it does not look great, and it is very sad _ does not look great, and it is very sad there's — does not look great, and it is very sad. there's a lot of publics empathy, _ sad. there's a lot of publics empathy, i think for.- sad. there's a lot of publics empathy, i think for. henry is right that there is _ empathy, i think for. henry is right that there is a _ empathy, i think for. henry is right that there is a lot _ empathy, i think for. henry is right that there is a lot of _ empathy, i think for. henry is right that there is a lot of anger - empathy, i think for. henry is right that there is a lot of anger perhapsj that there is a lot of anger perhaps in certain that there is a lot of anger perhaps in certai ,., , ., that there is a lot of anger perhaps in certai , ., , , . ., in certain parts of the public of this interview _ in certain parts of the public of this interview has _ in certain parts of the public of this interview has been - in certain parts of the public of this interview has been given, | this interview has been given, there's— this interview has been given, there's also been a lot of public sympathy— there's also been a lot of public sympathy for prince harry and prince william _ sympathy for prince harry and prince william for— sympathy for prince harry and prince william for the loss of their mother when _ william for the loss of their mother when they— william for the loss of their mother when they were really young. i think when _ when they were really young. i think when harry— when they were really young. i think when harry and meghan first got together, there was a big outpouring ofjoy_ together, there was a big outpouring ofjoy from _ together, there was a big outpouring ofjoy from the public that he had found _ ofjoy from the public that he had found somebody that he wanted to share _ found somebody that he wanted to share his _ found somebody that he wanted to share his life with, sol found somebody that he wanted to share his life with, so i think what he says— share his life with, so i think what he says about the kind of breakdown in the _ he says about the kind of breakdown in the relationship with his father is, could — in the relationship with his father is, could potentially be very damaging. is, could potentially be very damaging-— is, could potentially be very damauain. . , damaging. retrospect, hindsight, whatever we _ damaging. retrospect, hindsight, whatever we call _ damaging. retrospect, hindsight, whatever we call it, _ damaging. retrospect, hindsight, whatever we call it, tells - damaging. retrospect, hindsight, whatever we call it, tells us - whatever we call it, tells us everything for i wonder, henry, if some kind of clash was always going to happen, and the fact you had meghan who wanted equality in an

institution that works, above all, on hierarchy. she also wanted to speak out individually and in this into which asks its members to speak sparingly and on message. was there always going to be a clash in the end? a, always going to be a clash in the end? ~.,, , . always going to be a clash in the end? , , ., ~' ., end? may be, yeah. i think there are two levels of — end? may be, yeah. i think there are two levels of sadness _ end? may be, yeah. i think there are two levels of sadness and _ end? may be, yeah. i think there are two levels of sadness and meghan'sl two levels of sadness and meghan's account, and the complaint about not feeling like she could speak out about the issues she wanted to speak out about, they are frankly much less serious than the other complaints she made. yeah, i think she clearly did wish to have a profile, a role, which was probably greater than the usual role of the spouse of the sixth in line to the throne, and perhaps there is a question about whether harry gave an accurate portrayal of the reality of real life, but, look, that is why they have left and now she can do what she wants and he can do it he wants as a private citizen, semi

private citizen come in another country, and that is probably why this outcome — if you strip the anger out of it — the outcome that has been arrived at is probably pretty good for all concerned about to get there, there is an awful lot of water under the bridge, and that is really is what is going to be so difficult with the royal family going forward, rather than the actual dynamics of the situation they may eventually arrive at. let’s they may eventually arrive at. let's look the metro, _ they may eventually arrive at. let's look the metro, which _ they may eventually arrive at. let's look the metro, which i _ they may eventually arrive at. let's look the metro, which i am - they may eventually arrive at. let's look the metro, which i am sure recycles part of a headline we used to see in the 80s or the 90s, the war of the winters, the top right, but it says just the four of us war of the winters, the top right, but it sastust the four of us now, with harry and meghan and archie. what kind of elected to make now? are they former royals? are they primarily celebrities? are they activists? it primarily celebrities? are they activists? , , , activists? it is funny, this picture- _ activists? it is funny, this picture. it's _ activists? it is funny, this picture. it's a _ activists? it is funny, this picture. it's a lovely - activists? it is funny, this l

picture. it's a lovely picture activists? it is funny, this - picture. it's a lovely picture of the three _ picture. it's a lovely picture of the three of them