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this is bbc world news, the headlines... police in the uk have charged a serving metropolitan police officer with the kidnap and murder of sarah everard. wayne couzens was arrested earlier this week, after sarah went missing while walking home in london. exports of goods from the uk to the european union dropped by more than 40% injanuary — the largest monthly fall since records began. it coincided with the end of the brexit transition period. there's been another kidnapping raid on a school in nigeria. witnesses say dozens of students were abducted from a colleage in kaduna state. security services say they have since rescued some of the captives. lawyers for george floyd, the african american man who died while being restrained by police officers in minneapolis
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in may of last year, say the city has agreed a $27 million settlement to their civil case for damages. at 10pm, we'll have a full round up of the days news. first, the media show. what does morgan's departure say about the future of highly—opinionated journalism in british media? hello, it's the oprah, meghan, and harry show! not really, this is the media show. but if you're bored of that spectacle, i'm afraid to tell you that the aftershocks are very real and relevant to us. as we always say, the media is the story. itv�*s share price fell by around 5%,
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reuters has quoted city traders who say that the fall could be partly attributed to the resignation of itv�*s star journalist, piers morgan. morgan was bringing in record ratings for good morning britain, of course, but he quit on tuesday after refusing to apologise for his on—air criticism of the royal couple. so, whilst the oprah interview represents an historic move moment for buckingham palace, is it also a massive deal for british media? perhaps so. does piers morgan's departure show that his brand of highly opinionated journalism is incompatible with an ofcom—regulated tv channel? and will he resurface on the new news channels that's coming to the uk which has promised to capitalise on that exact style of noisy journalism? let me introduce you to our guests. jane martinson is a professor ofjournalism at city university, and was the guardian's media editor. jane, just a moment ago
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when we were on the zoom call, you were on a phone call which terrified me slightly. who were you talking to and did it have to do with journalism? it was, i was actually talking to the guardian opinion desk, which i had written a piece about the aforementioned piers morgan and his departure from gmb. just give us a quick take. the top line was that it's, you know, outrage sells, and the row over freedom of expression overnight shows that what is about impartiality, and piers has made himself the story, and it's amazing how many times it has all become about piers morgan. but it sort of says that at this particular time, when we've got these two new entrants — i know we'll hear from one of them later in the programme — this is a really important time for the british media seen to think about what public service broadcasting means, and impartiality, and how we will protect that and whether we want to. absolutely, absolutely. that's a marvellous answer, you set up the show,
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i could go home at this point. benjamin cohen is the chief executive of pink news. benjamin, what are you writing about today? i'm not writing about anything today. there's been lots of stories — on our snapchat, i think we have about nine on there now, we're doing a story about the transformation of a trans guy who's been going through a weight loss regime, because we have a show on there called workout, which is about the increase in fitness programme. but me personally, i'm having a bit of a weird time with. i'm actually midway through a multiple sclerosis relapse, so i'm not actually able to write anything. i can't use my right hand, i can't lift a pen, i can't type properly. so i'm in a bit of a strange few weeks. i'm really sorry to hear that, but i should say that despite that relapse and that medical challenge, you're overseeing pink news which has, despite your own medical difficulties, seen huge growth in the last year, hasn't it? yeah, it's really weird.
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when the pandemic started about a year ago, i really wasn't sure what the future would be. i was worried i would have to let people go. we actually doubled our team during the last year with i think tripling our revenue, somewhere around that, we've massively grown our capability. because actually, and all this really strange environment where... it's a very toxic environment, but actually readers and particularly young people are going towards media which has a purpose, which has a mission. and pink news has that across all the different brands. it's interesting, there is a financial argument for that editorial vigion. we get onto that, it's good to have you with us, ben. thanks forjoining us, especially in such difficult circumstances. scott bryan is a tv critic and broadcaster. scott, how did oprah — you watch a lot of tv and interviews — how did oprah manage to dominate news for two weeks with this interview? i mean, it is such an unconventional way of how interviews _
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are done these days. with the rise of streaming giants - and there being so much competition, it always comes down to, - as a strategy, right, how do we get on to so many- different platforms at the same time? with oprah, what happened was, i with the exception of two clips that were 90 seconds revealed in advance last week, there is absolutely- nothing said about what _ the interview was going to contain. it was also surprising that it was on a broadcast tv channel. - they've managed to get the ratings in the us triple the amount - of people who watched the emmys or the golden globes. _ and i think people are quitej surprised, this is not will be expected, a two—hour- interview with many adverts on a broadcast channel. i think part of that is- downed oprah's approach — she's always known exactly what audiences want. - she has many deals, she could have been with apple tv+, _ harry and meghan also have deals with netflix, but they decided - |that the way to generate a lot of|
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interest is with a news interview. | and if you look at all the viewing | figures throughout the pandemic, they've all come massively when it comes to news, but also _ in other stories as well, and this isjust one - example of that. so fascinating, the enduring power of terrestrial channels. we will come back to that, thanks you, scott. already lots of speculation as to where piers morgan will be going next. and in the frame is something called gb news. that's the news channel launching later this year which counts discovery amongst its backers. people in the media getting very excited and agitated about it, there's been some talk about whether or not it might be a uk version of fox news. on monday, i sat down with the chairman of gb news, also its star signing, andrew neil. i should point out this was recorded before we'd seen the royal interview, and an eternity before piers morgan quit itv. let me play you a big chunk of that, because i asked andrew neil what the business case for gb news actually is. i think it's always a good time.
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as journalists, we should always welcome new news channels and jobs forjournalists, more diversity is great, when i was on sky in 1989, it was meant to destroy the bbc and itv. it did nothing of the kind, itjust added hugely to the choice that was available. and if you look at the major news providers in britain at the moment, they all come from various shades of left — not mad left or anything like that, but from centre, centreleft, a bit more left, then a bit more left from that. i think people hear you and say, "what evidence do you have for that?" you've written that the bbc news, a lot of news output is too southern, too metropolitan. but if you actually go and listen to local news in leicester or scunthorpe, it's not liberal left, it's local news from localjournalists. i understand, but i'm not talking about the local news. so what evidence do you have that national bulletins lean left? well, for the bbc, i would say it's a moderate, centreleft output. because they share the metropolitan
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outlook, they share the same metropolitan values, they have probably the same look on life. look, this isn't me saying it, director generals of the bbc have said it... let's be clear about this, tim davies said the bbc might be too metropolitan — that's a different thing from centreleft, centreleft is a political position on the spectrum. mark thompson said it was, and the bbc was at its happiest when mr blair was prime minister, because the bbc had basically a blaire—ite outlook on the world. it doesn't make them bad people, i share a number of views with mr blair. let's talk about some of the names you've signed up as on—screen talent. alexander phillips, who was ukip�*s head of media for three years then an mep for the brexit party, michelle dupree, a brexit party candidate in 2019. they are hugely talented, doubtless. one thing in common there is a distaste for socialism. so just how brexit—y
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will gb news be? i don't know whether you've caught up with the news... brexit has happened. brexit�*s over. you know what i'm talking about, to what extent will it be — how right—wing will it be? if a number of our presenters were on the brexit side of the argument, so what? 90% of the bbc�*s presenters were on the remain side of the argument. so what's the point? they still did theirjobs properly. the main presenters of the bbc still covered the referendum in the proper way they did. and i would expect our journalists to do the same. do you accept that gb news is the first explicitly political domestic tv channel, set out with a political purpose? that assumes that the existing channels aren't political. are you trying to tell me that channel 4 news is not political? you're setting out... you trying to tell me sky news is not political? but you're political in a different way, let's not be disingenuous. the typical view that it's fine
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to be on the centreleft, that's not political. but if you're on the centre of the centre right, that's political. no, that's not what i'm saying, what i'm saying is there a lot of people who look at gb news and the mission that you have expounded in public about answering a need for nonmetropolitan news, and the fact that you are going to channel personality—led, opinion—led evening broadcasts, and that challenges or threatens potentially an ecosystem where impartiality is receding from public view, and a lot of people think impartiality is valuable. yes, you will be regulated by ofcom, but there are lots of people, not necessarily political people, but people who might have concerns that in an era of culture wars and social media, actually gb news might end up exacerbating the problems we have rather than answering them. i know that, and that's the mantra that's thrown at us all the time that don't want gb news to succeed. but it's not true. and of course, the other thing that's thrown at us,
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which is part of that mantra, is that it will be fox news, and so on. well, it'sjust nonsense. we can only be judged by what we do, you know, i've grown long in the tooth now denying things about a network that hasn't broadcast a second programming yet. we would be different from the existing networks? yes, because they all do the same thing. so what's the point of doing what they do? will we cover stories a different way? yes! will we give a voice to people outside the metropolitan consensus? yes. do we have any interest in fox news? no — disinformation, no, conspiracy theories, no. there's nothing in myjournalistic record that could lead you to fox news, and there is no market, in my view, in britain for a fox news—type. you'lljust have to wait and see what we do. sure, that's a view i've put out on this show several times. help me out here, fox news
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is a right of centre, it leads towards opinion rather than news, and invests heavily in personality driven evening shows. gb news — right of centre, leans towards opinion rather than news and prime time, and invests heavily in personality driven evening shows. so gb news is different to fox news because? now describe msnbc. a liberal version of the same thing. exactly! so what's the difference between gb news — i'm giving you a chance to not compare gb news to fox news. i'm giving you the chance to be explicit about the different. look, there are two people, when gb news launches, there are two people who will be deeply disappointed. one is a small number of people that want it to be fox news, and the other are those who've said it will be fox news. they're the ones who be disappointed post it is possible to learn from the us, both from the left wing, msnbc, and the right, fox, about programming and the importance of not doing rolling news any more
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unless there is strong news to do. that's a lesson sky and the bbc don't seem to have learned. americans have learned that. that you get appointment to view, if you break up the schedule during the day with programmes, not rolling news, programmes built around strong anchors with edge, character, and even a sense of humour. that's what msnbc and fox news do, as well. you can do all of that without being either fox or msnbc. you can do that by having a different perspective to the way the existing broadcasters come. will it please the metropolitan classes that control the existing network news? no. but that's not ourjob, we aren't aiming to please them, we're trying to give people who don't feel they have a voice a voice. i'll give you a good example, and it's on the bbc, and that is question time. in the aftermath of the brexit referendum — and question time,
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to give a huge credit, used to be just out of london, but now it goes all around the country — and it would go to bradford in barnsley, or wigan and presley in the north. and in the post—brexit referendum aftermath, when the atmosphere was quite toxic, more so than it had been during the referendum, some southern smoothie on the panel would say about brexit, "they didn't know what they were voting for." to be met by a cacophony of voices with a northern accent saying, "oh, yes we did. we knew what we were in for and we won't be patronised by you, saying that we didn't." that's the kind of voice that you actually don't hear very often in british broadcasting, and i hope we will give it a voice. where will your headquarters be? in paddington. and what's the format of your show going to be? it'll be an hour, it'll be on between 8—9pm, four nights a week.
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it'll be pretty segmented, so it can be replayed in digital format and digital slice and dice as much as possible. we'll have a monologue to begin with, and a main story, i think we will have a lot of fun with things like that police thing about "being offensive isn't an offense," a lot of that isn't properly covered. we will do an interview if we can get one — we won't do an interview if it's only for paperclips. and i want to do media watch, including a media watch that holds ourselves to account, and when we get things wrong we put our hands up and say, "we got this wrong." we'll also hold other media to account, as well. and then, i think we will have a regular guests, you know, abbott and portillo —
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and i think each night we will have an equivalent of that to be able to chew the cud on the main news stories. are abbott and portillo coming back themselves? who knows? maybe. that was andrew neil, and i spoke to him on monday afternoon for well over an hour, in huge detail about his old career, the real reason he fell out with rupert murdoch, where he draws the line on free speech, not least in relation to the spectator writer "tacky", the real reason he left bbc and loads more. it's a very long and interesting conversation and it will be available for the media show, subscribe to the media show podcast, you can find the long interview. jane, you were nodding your head vigorously throughout much of that, why? i've heard some of it before, i have to say. the argument that this is purely about economics, it's about choice, it's about the "left behind",
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i don't think you left them behind, but the current media — he normally says if you got channel 4 on the left, why can't we have gb news on the right? what's wrong with that argument? well, i think it's a very reductive argument, and it was really interesting that he said there was no market for fox news. but the answer your point, i think it's because actually channel for, you know, are still bound by a level of impartiality. 50 know, are still bound by a level of impartiality-— know, are still bound by a level of impartiality-_ they i impartiality. so is gb news. they will be, but _ impartiality. so is gb news. they will be, but as _ impartiality. so is gb news. they will be, but as you _ impartiality. so is gb news. they will be, but as you say, _ impartiality. so is gb news. they will be, but as you say, the - impartiality. so is gb news. theyl will be, but as you say, the output will be, but as you say, the output will all be about news ——presenters——, it'll be about opinionated presenters, a bit like lb see radio, which has been hugely popular and has a range of voices, which is of course how you might get your ofcom licence and still be judged to be impartial. but the thing is, casting doubt on existing
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broadcasters by being the bbc 90% left of centre, i think that's all part of this culture war which says that just part of this culture war which says thatjust because you at the bbc are metropolitan, you can't be speaking the truth and doing good journalism, and journalism shouldn't be about left or right and politics. just and journalism shouldn't be about left or right and politics.— left or right and politics. just a reminder. _ left or right and politics. just a reminder. i — left or right and politics. just a reminder, i don't _ left or right and politics. just a reminder, i don't speak - left or right and politics. just a reminder, i don't speak for - left or right and politics. just a | reminder, i don't speak for the left or right and politics. just a - reminder, i don't speak for the bbc reminder, i don't speakfor the bbc from a corporate sense. we are moving from a world where the news was the star to where the star is the news suffering very much so. i think in terms of where we are seeing think in terms of where we are seeini think in terms of where we are seein. , , think in terms of where we are seeini , ,., think in terms of where we are seeinu f , seeing the possibility of gb news and how it links _ seeing the possibility of gb news and how it links to _ seeing the possibility of gb news and how it links to good - seeing the possibility of gb news and how it links to good morning britain _ and how it links to good morning britain in — and how it links to good morning britain in terms _ and how it links to good morning britain in terms of— and how it links to good morning britain in terms of opinionated . britain in terms of opinionated programming _ britain in terms of opinionated programming i— britain in terms of opinionated programming. i see _ britain in terms of opinionated programming. i see gb - britain in terms of opinionated programming. i see gb newsl britain in terms of opinionated i programming. i see gb news as britain in terms of opinionated - programming. i see gb news as this case where — programming. i see gb news as this case where you _ programming. i see gb news as this case where you would _ programming. i see gb news as this case where you would have - case where you would have opinionated _ case where you would have opinionated people - case where you would have opinionated people arguing case where you would have . opinionated people arguing at case where you would have - opinionated people arguing at length with guests — opinionated people arguing at length with guests who _ opinionated people arguing at length with guests who completely - opinionated people arguing at length with guests who completely are - opinionated people arguing at length with guests who completely are on . with guests who completely are on the other— with guests who completely are on the other centre _ with guests who completely are on the other centre with _ with guests who completely are on the other centre with them, - the other centre with them, therefore _ the other centre with them, therefore being _ the other centre with them, therefore being impartial. l the other centre with them, therefore being impartial. i| the other centre with them, - therefore being impartial. ithink that's— therefore being impartial. ithink that's where _ therefore being impartial. ithink that's where there's _ therefore being impartial. ithink that's where there's been - therefore being impartial. ithink that's where there's been lots i therefore being impartial. ithink that's where there's been lots of| that's where there's been lots of reporting. — that's where there's been lots of reporting. like _ that's where there's been lots of
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reporting, like piers— that's where there's been lots of reporting, like piers morgan's. that's where there's been lots of . reporting, like piers morgan's next step reporting, like piers morgan's next step and _ reporting, like piers morgan's next step and whether— reporting, like piers morgan's next step and whether it'll _ reporting, like piers morgan's next step and whether it'll be _ reporting, like piers morgan's next step and whether it'll be with - reporting, like piers morgan's next step and whether it'll be with gb . step and whether it'll be with gb news _ step and whether it'll be with gb news primarily— step and whether it'll be with gb news primarily because - step and whether it'll be with gb news primarily because that - step and whether it'll be with gb news primarily because that is l step and whether it'll be with gb l news primarily because that is the style news primarily because that is the styie of— news primarily because that is the style ofjournalism _ news primarily because that is the style ofjournalism which - news primarily because that is the style ofjournalism which gets - news primarily because that is the style ofjournalism which gets very popular— style ofjournalism which gets very popular oniine _ style ofjournalism which gets very popular online. there _ style ofjournalism which gets very popular online. there is— style ofjournalism which gets very popular online. there is no- style ofjournalism which gets very popular online. there is no hidingl popular online. there is no hiding away— popular online. there is no hiding away from — popular online. there is no hiding away from the _ popular online. there is no hiding away from the fact _ popular online. there is no hiding away from the fact that _ popular online. there is no hiding away from the fact that good - popular online. there is no hiding - away from the fact that good morning britain _ away from the fact that good morning britain beat _ away from the fact that good morning britain beat bbc— away from the fact that good morning britain beat bbc breakfast _ away from the fact that good morning britain beat bbc breakfast in - away from the fact that good morning britain beat bbc breakfast in the - britain beat bbc breakfast in the ratings _ britain beat bbc breakfast in the ratings yesterday. _ britain beat bbc breakfast in the ratings yesterday. those - britain beat bbc breakfast in the ratings yesterday. those clips i britain beat bbc breakfast in the . ratings yesterday. those clips went viral ratings yesterday. those clips went virat on _ ratings yesterday. those clips went virat on social— ratings yesterday. those clips went viral on social media. _ ratings yesterday. those clips went viral on social media. even- ratings yesterday. those clips went viral on social media. even if- ratings yesterday. those clips went viral on social media. even if you . viral on social media. even if you are conipieteiy_ viral on social media. even if you are completely appalled - viral on social media. even if you are completely appalled by - viral on social media. even if you are completely appalled by the l are completely appalled by the content — are completely appalled by the content within, _ are completely appalled by the content within, i— are completely appalled by the content within, i think - are completely appalled by the content within, i think for - are completely appalled by the | content within, i think for some peopie — content within, i think for some peopie who _ content within, i think for some people who think— content within, i think for some people who think we _ content within, i think for some people who think we have - content within, i think for some people who think we have veryl people who think we have very partisan — people who think we have very partisan ways _ people who think we have very partisan ways of— people who think we have very partisan ways of expressing. partisan ways of expressing ourselves— partisan ways of expressing ourselves online _ partisan ways of expressing ourselves online and - partisan ways of expressing i ourselves online and partisan partisan ways of expressing - ourselves online and partisan forms of news, _ ourselves online and partisan forms of news, newspapers _ ourselves online and partisan forms of news, newspapers and _ ourselves online and partisan forms of news, newspapers and online, i ourselves online and partisan forms l of news, newspapers and online, why can't it _ of news, newspapers and online, why can't it be _ of news, newspapers and online, why can't it be reflected _ of news, newspapers and online, why can't it be reflected on _ of news, newspapers and online, why can't it be reflected on tv? 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iuite what you do it pink news? i don't quite know— what you do it pink news? i don't quite know what _ what you do it pink news? i don't quite know what he _ what you do it pink news? i don't quite know what he means. - what you do it pink news? i don't quite know what he means. i- what you do it pink news? i don't. quite know what he means. i think what you do it pink news? i don't . quite know what he means. i think it means cutting _ quite know what he means. i think it means cutting segments _ quite know what he means. i think it means cutting segments of- quite know what he means. i think it means cutting segments of a - quite know what he means. i think it means cutting segments of a tv - quite know what he means. i think it. means cutting segments of a tv show up means cutting segments of a tv show up and pressing about on social media. bill up and pressing about on social media. �* ., .., up and pressing about on social media. �* ., _, , up and pressing about on social media. �* ., , , ., media. all our content is short form, media. all our content is short form. so _ media. all our content is short form. so it— media. all our content is short form, so it could _ media. all our content is short form, so it could be _ media. all our content is short form, so it could be hosted - media. all our content is short form, so it could be hosted on| form, so it could be hosted on snapchat~ _ form, so it could be hosted on snapchat. we call them long pieces of content, — snapchat. we call them long pieces of content, but long for pink news is 5-6 _ of content, but long for pink news is 5—6 minutes, which is shorter than _ is 5—6 minutes, which is shorter than traditional broadcasters. i did find two _ than traditional broadcasters. i did find two things particularly interesting in what he said. he believes— interesting in what he said. he believes that the bbc, channel 4, i used to— believes that the bbc, channel 4, i used to work with channel 4 for six years. _ used to work with channel 4 for six years. is— used to work with channel 4 for six years. is this— used to work with channel 4 for six years, is this liberal thing. i don't — years, is this liberal thing. i don't think it is, actually, i think the mainstream news might be for the people _ the mainstream news might be for the people whom i consider themselves to be left _ people whom i consider themselves to be left of— people whom i consider themselves to be left of centre politically — there — be left of centre politically — there actually incredible he socially _ there actually incredible he socially conservative. that's what we see _ socially conservative. that's what we see with coverage on issues relating — we see with coverage on issues relating to lgbt, particularly trans issues _ relating to lgbt, particularly trans issues on — relating to lgbt, particularly trans issues on the bbc. you could say they— issues on the bbc. you could say they are — issues on the bbc. you could say they are covering them from a liberal— they are covering them from a liberal agenda come up there actually— liberal agenda come up there actually covering it from a really
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quite _ actually covering it from a really quite socially conservative agenda. the other— quite socially conservative agenda. the other thing that he said was that it _ the other thing that he said was that it would be woke watch, he keeps _ that it would be woke watch, he keeps going on about this woke watch and the _ keeps going on about this woke watch and the woke media, let's write ourselves, _ and the woke media, let's write ourselves, what does woke me in? it means— ourselves, what does woke me in? it means being — ourselves, what does woke me in? it means being aware of socialjustice issues, _ means being aware of socialjustice issues, particularly racial issues. i issues, particularly racial issues. i don't _ issues, particularly racial issues. i don't know— issues, particularly racial issues. i don't know why anyone should find people _ i don't know why anyone should find people who are aware of social justice — people who are aware of social justice issues particularly concerning. it's a new way of saying it's politically correct, it's another— it's politically correct, it's another way ofjust denigrating another way of just denigrating people — another way ofjust denigrating people who care about minorities. we can't people who care about minorities. can't get into people who care about minorities. - can't get into too much about woke culture, but enter neil and piers morgan wrote about it, how woke means something different from how it started. it's interesting you mention that, benjamin, because he said he'd put a spotlight on terms like chest feeding. that said he'd put a spotlight on terms like chest feeding.— like chest feeding. that wasn't actually true. _ like chest feeding. that wasn't actually true, that _ like chest feeding. that wasn't actually true, that story - like chest feeding. that wasn't actually true, that story was i actually true, that story was repeated on pink news, it wasn't true, _ repeated on pink news, it wasn't true, the — repeated on pink news, it wasn't true, the trust was nearly saying
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that when— true, the trust was nearly saying that when it came to transgender people. _ that when it came to transgender people, they should have appropriate language _ people, they should have appropriate language. it wasn't saying that it should _ language. it wasn't saying that it should be — language. it wasn't saying that it should be for anyone else, but actually— should be for anyone else, but actually a _ should be for anyone else, but actually a lot of the media, the main _ actually a lot of the media, the main trip — actually a lot of the media, the main trip to mecca mainstream broadcast — main trip to mecca mainstream broadcast media and print media kept repeating _ broadcast media and print media kept repeating a lie that wasn't true. it was on _ repeating a lie that wasn't true. it was on the — repeating a lie that wasn't true. it was on the fake news and a couple other— was on the fake news and a couple other publications that pointed out that the _ other publications that pointed out that the story wasn't true —— pink news _ that the story wasn't true —— pink news enter— that the story wasn't true —— pink news. enter neil as one of those people _ news. enter neil as one of those people perpetuating myth that somehow these terrible woke misogynists will come after everyone else. misogynists will come after everyone else we _ misogynists will come after everyone else. we aren't, we just care about minority— else. we aren't, we just care about minority groups. but else. we aren't, we 'ust care about minority groups.— minority groups. but we haven't talked here. _ minority groups. but we haven't talked here, while _ minority groups. but we haven't talked here, while we _ minority groups. but we haven't talked here, while we focusing i minority groups. but we haven't i talked here, while we focusing on the broadcast media and the notion of impartiality and truth, journalism has been about facts, leaving your own opinions at the door. we in the uk have had an incredibly opinionated newspaper industry. 4% of the british media
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are of ethnic minority. the numbers alone tell a story that perhaps we aren't terribly representative in the newspaper industry. that is a huge issue that we do need to look at. , �* ., ., , ., at. isn't the truth that the tabloid ai iroach at. isn't the truth that the tabloid approach to _ at. isn't the truth that the tabloid approach to news _ at. isn't the truth that the tabloid approach to news and _ at. isn't the truth that the tabloid l approach to news and information, which prioritises the outrageous and emotional, is good business? ofcom received 41,000 complaints about good morning britain after piers morgan said he didn't believe meghan markle's claim, but lots of complaints and the very next day they beat bbc breakfast in the braiding spree to briefly. but it can create _ braiding spree to briefly. but it can create a — braiding spree to briefly. but it can create a lot _ braiding spree to briefly. but it can create a lot of _ braiding spree to briefly. but it can create a lot of problems i braiding spree to briefly. but it can create a lot of problems in| can create a lot of problems in itself — can create a lot of problems in itself with _ can create a lot of problems in itself. with regards _ can create a lot of problems in itself. with regards to - can create a lot of problems in itself. with regards to piers i itself. with regards to piers morgan, _ itself. with regards to piers morgan, we _ itself. with regards to piers morgan, we were _ itself. with regards to piers morgan, we were having. itself. with regards to piersi morgan, we were having the itself. with regards to piers - morgan, we were having the mental health— morgan, we were having the mental health charity — morgan, we were having the mental health charity to _ morgan, we were having the mental health charity to issue _ morgan, we were having the mental health charity to issue a _ morgan, we were having the mental health charity to issue a statement. health charity to issue a statement saying _ health charity to issue a statement saying that — health charity to issue a statement saying that they— health charity to issue a statement saying that they found _ health charity to issue a statement saying that they found their... - health charity to issue a statement saying that they found their... itvi saying that they found their... itv themselves— saying that they found their... itv themselves have _ saying that they found their... itv themselves have been _ saying that they found their... itv themselves have been doing - saying that they found their... itv themselves have been doing a - saying that they found their... itv - themselves have been doing a mental health— themselves have been doing a mental health initiative _ themselves have been doing a mental health initiative called _ themselves have been doing a mental health initiative called yet _ themselves have been doing a mental health initiative called yet britain - health initiative called yet britain talking _ health initiative called yet britain talking across _ health initiative called yet britain talking across the _ health initiative called yet britain talking across the entire - health initiative called yet britain talking across the entire channel| talking across the entire channel that was—
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talking across the entire channel that was launched _ talking across the entire channel that was launched after - talking across the entire channel that was launched after love - talking across the entire channel. that was launched after love island and caroline's _ that was launched after love island and caroline's passing. _ that was launched after love island and caroline's passing. it— that was launched after love island and caroline's passing. it was- and caroline's passing. it was completely— and caroline's passing. it was completely at _ and caroline's passing. it was completely at odds, - and caroline's passing. it was completely at odds, but - and caroline's passing. it was completely at odds, but alsoi and caroline's passing. it was. completely at odds, but also it and caroline's passing. it was- completely at odds, but also it had their involvement. _ completely at odds, but also it had their involvement. the _ completely at odds, but also it had their involvement. the duchess - completely at odds, but also it had their involvement. the duchess ofi their involvement. the duchess of sussex _ their involvement. the duchess of sussex wrote _ their involvement. the duchess of sussex wrote a _ their involvement. the duchess of sussex wrote a letter _ their involvement. the duchess of sussex wrote a letter to _ their involvement. the duchess of sussex wrote a letter to itv, - their involvement. the duchess of sussex wrote a letter to itv, even though — sussex wrote a letter to itv, even though the _ sussex wrote a letter to itv, even though the ks — sussex wrote a letter to itv, even though the ks can _ sussex wrote a letter to itv, even though the ks can be _ sussex wrote a letter to itv, even though the ks can be incredibly. though the ks can be incredibly lucrative — though the ks can be incredibly lucrative to _ though the ks can be incredibly lucrative to ratings, _ though the ks can be incredibly lucrative to ratings, we - though the ks can be incredibly lucrative to ratings, we seen. though the ks can be incredibly. lucrative to ratings, we seen time and time — lucrative to ratings, we seen time and time again— lucrative to ratings, we seen time and time again that _ lucrative to ratings, we seen time and time again that if— lucrative to ratings, we seen time and time again that if anything i and time again that if anything lrecomes— and time again that if anything becomes too— and time again that if anything becomes too controversial, . becomes too controversial, advertises— becomes too controversial, advertises get— becomes too controversial, advertises get spooked - becomes too controversial, advertises get spooked and becomes too controversial, - advertises get spooked and they can easily— advertises get spooked and they can easily leave, — advertises get spooked and they can easily leave, causing _ advertises get spooked and they can easily leave, causing headaches - easily leave, causing headaches across _ easily leave, causing headaches across the — easily leave, causing headaches across the entire _ easily leave, causing headaches across the entire rest _ easily leave, causing headaches across the entire rest of- easily leave, causing headaches across the entire rest of the - easily leave, causing headaches i across the entire rest of the brand. do you _ across the entire rest of the brand. do you want— across the entire rest of the brand. do you want to _ across the entire rest of the brand. do you want to come _ across the entire rest of the brand. do you want to come back- across the entire rest of the brand. do you want to come back to - across the entire rest of the brand. do you want to come back to that, l do you want to come back to that, jane casilla yeah, i do you want to come back to that, jane casilla yeah.— jane casilla yeah, i think that what's really _ jane casilla yeah, i think that what's really interesting - jane casilla yeah, i think that what's really interesting is i jane casilla yeah, i think that| what's really interesting is the idea that there was no market for fox news, so there obviously has been the numbers watching piers morgan, he has improved ratings at good morning britain. look, the tabloid papers were talking about, the most popular in britain, the guardian and pink news have absently been outsold in print by the daily
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mail and the sun for many years, not online. ., , ., �* mail and the sun for many years, not online. ~' , ., �* , online. likely we aren't in print. but not online, _ online. likely we aren't in print. but not online, that's _ online. likely we aren't in print. but not online, that's the - online. likely we aren't in print. but not online, that's the point. the thing is, look what's happened in america, freedom and market deciding, you've got the social media giants taking over everything without any control.— media giants taking over everything without any control. some of that is comini to without any control. some of that is coming to this _ without any control. some of that is coming to this country, _ without any control. some of that is coming to this country, certainly - coming to this country, certainly not enough long form. i always campaign for these shows to be much longer and today is a good example. thank you so much to our guests, and thank you also to enter neil, chairman and present are at gb news. i'll be back at the same time, thanks for listening. —— presenter. hello. it has been a busy old week of weather, hasn't it, with a spell of stormy weather midweek followed by some classic spring sunshine and showers.
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midweek followed by some classic that midweek followed by some classic means we've ha weather that means we've had a plethora of weather watch or rainbow photographs sent in. this is one of my favourites from loose in kent this afternoon. the showers really have been quite frequent the further north and west, and we've seen some wintry nests into the tops of the mountain. but we have seen some moving through wales, across the channel coast and into kent else democrat as well. the story through this evening, we'll actually see more wet weather as we see a weather front pushing its way steadily eastwards, and that elite democrat enhances showers and rain, plenty of isobars with it, still a very windy night to come. where we have clear skies and the far north of scotland, here to purchase perhaps low enough for a touch of light frost in areas, still with temperatures close to freezing, those showers here falling as snow. but else where we start off with sunny spells and scattered showers once again, most frequent showers once again, most frequent showers the further west you are, and they'll drift further inland accompanied by a brisk westerly wind. in terms of the feel of
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things, highs of 7—10 c by the middle of the afternoon. moving in a sunday, we see an area of low pressure is still implementing the story, a high—pressure tries to build in from the southwest. this weather front toppling across that high, still producing more wet weather to come. so that means some rain once again into northern ireland, gradually pushing its way into western scotland, northwest england and wales. but a relatively dry start to many on wednesday, and in eastern areas that should stay dry through much of the day. the winds will ease just a touch, and the sunshine, 11 celsius should feel relatively pleasant, but unfortunately the wet weather will set out to the west. things are likely to change though into next week, as that high—pressure continues to build in from the west, quieting the weather story down. that'll come as welcome news, i suspect. so there is the potential for some clear skies to see some early frost, nothing too significant
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but certainly worth bearing in mind if you're a gardener or grower. but as we look ahead, largely fine and dry, on the cool side this time of year but sunny spells to look forward to.
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tonight at ten — a serving metropolitan police officer has been charged with the kidnap and murder of sarah everard. the 33—year—old went missing while walking home in south london last week. wayne couzens, who's 48, will appear before westminster magistrates tomorrow. i would like at this stage to pay tribute to sarah's family for their fortitude and forbearance through what can only have been the most intensely difficult few days. our thoughts remain with them as this matter progresses. the police watchdog is investigating how officers dealt with allegations of indecent exposure involving the accused, just three days before ms everard went missing. also tonight... uk trade with the eu falls dramatically after the brexit transition ends, and the economy
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is again hit hard, by covid restrictions.

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