i hope tonight has perhaps helped you decide who you may vote for in just over five weeks' time. stay safe, and thank you for watching.

welcome back to our special programme on that scottish leaders debate. that has lasted an hour and covered a lot of the issues that we thought would dominate the debate. the first was how scotland and best recover from the pandemic. the first was how scotland and best recoverfrom the pandemic. what the first was how scotland and best recover from the pandemic. what an independence referendum distract and hinder efforts to rebuild the nation part of the economy, and how will the nhs clear its waiting list and treat serious diseases like cancer? douglas ross of the scottish conservatives that are his party priorities with jobs and economic recovery. he pledged investment in a projector and promised funding for full fibre broadband. the s&p's nicola sturgeon outlined her plan to continue to suppress covid and support businesses in their recovery from the pandemic. when the commitment to build 100,000 affordable homes. she defended her support for a second referendum and a desire to return to an independent scotland to eu membership. and

scottish labour called for the country to unite and prevent a loss generation for covid rather than arguing abouta generation for covid rather than arguing about a referendum. willie rennie promised using new green tech and guarantee for training ofjobs for young people. scottish greens one of going back to the old broken system and outlined an economic recovery that would create green jobs while also tackling the climate emergency. so let's go back to our guests and analysts, professorjohn curtis professor of politics and leslie riddick, author and broadcaster and pro—independence campaigner and also pamela nash, chief executive of scotland in union. can i start with you, actually, pamela because what struck

me was that a lot of the questions at the beginning of the debate certainly was focusing on the fact that actually a lot of the questions did not want to discuss constitutional matters, they wanted to get through the pandemic, is that what struck you as well?— what struck you as well? absolutely and it's not — what struck you as well? absolutely and it's not that _ what struck you as well? absolutely and it's not that an _ what struck you as well? absolutely and it's not that an they _ what struck you as well? absolutely and it's not that an they keep - and it's not that an they keep hearing about the latest poll on independence, if you ask people that question that will give an answer but what we've also seen in the polls is that the vast majority of people, over three quarters, think that covid recovery should be the priority in this election. that should in fact my organisation we ask people what their top three priorities were the next scottish government and only 8% chose independence as one of those top three priorities. so i'm heartened to see that tonight but not surprised. i5 to see that tonight but not surprised-— to see that tonight but not surprised. to see that tonight but not surrised. , . . ,, ., surprised. is that what you thought as well, leslie _ surprised. is that what you thought as well, leslie even _ surprised. is that what you thought as well, leslie even though - surprised. is that what you thought as well, leslie even though nicola | as well, leslie even though nicola sturgeon had a very comprehensive answer, what the future that she wants to return to would be an

independent scotland and rejoining the eu? something that did not seem to wash with the questions for who were picked for the question tonight? it were picked for the question toniaht? . , were picked for the question toniaht? .,, . , were picked for the question toniaht? . , ., . tonight? it was really unbalanced. at some of _ tonight? it was really unbalanced. at some of that _ tonight? it was really unbalanced. at some of that work _ tonight? it was really unbalanced. at some of that work for - tonight? it was really unbalanced. at some of that work for the - tonight? it was really unbalanced. at some of that work for the bbc. tonight? it was really unbalanced. l at some of that work for the bbc for 25 years _ at some of that work for the bbc for 25 years i _ at some of that work for the bbc for 25 years i know that the way you produce — 25 years i know that the way you produce a — 25 years i know that the way you produce a debate like this is to have _ produce a debate like this is to have a — produce a debate like this is to have a fair— produce a debate like this is to have a fair idea of what questions you are _ have a fair idea of what questions you are likely to get, so it does do people _ you are likely to get, so it does do people fail— you are likely to get, so it does do people fail that three questions one after the _ people fail that three questions one after the other at the start all suggesting that somehow it's impossible to move forward on independence plan whilst we are in a pandemic, _ independence plan whilst we are in a pandemic, that does not feel very balanced — pandemic, that does not feel very balanced to me. looking at social media _ balanced to me. looking at social media that — balanced to me. looking at social media that really drew a lot of fire from _ media that really drew a lot of fire from the _ media that really drew a lot of fire from the independence side. john does that reflect _ from the independence side. jprm does that reflect the public opinion? does that reflect the public oinion? ., ., ., ~ , ~ opinion? know, and frankly i think of us that a _ opinion? know, and frankly i think of us that a different _ opinion? know, and frankly i think of us that a different impression i opinion? know, and frankly i think| of us that a different impression of the debate — of us that a different impression of the debate as— of us that a different impression of the debate as well. _ of us that a different impression of the debate as well. the _ of us that a different impression of the debate as well. the honest- of us that a different impression of i the debate as well. the honest truth is that— the debate as well. the honest truth is that irrespective _ the debate as well. the honest truth is that irrespective of— the debate as well. the honest truth is that irrespective of the _ the debate as well. the honest truth is that irrespective of the tone - the debate as well. the honest truth is that irrespective of the tone and l is that irrespective of the tone and direction _ is that irrespective of the tone and direction of — is that irrespective of the tone and direction of what _ is that irrespective of the tone and direction of what came _

is that irrespective of the tone and direction of what came from - is that irrespective of the tone and direction of what came from the i direction of what came from the audience — direction of what came from the audience from _ direction of what came from the audience from the _ direction of what came from the audience from the fascinating. direction of what came from the i audience from the fascinating thing was how— audience from the fascinating thing was how amongst _ audience from the fascinating thing was how amongst the _ audience from the fascinating thing was how amongst the politicians i audience from the fascinating thing| was how amongst the politicians on both sides — was how amongst the politicians on both sides of — was how amongst the politicians on both sides of the _ was how amongst the politicians on both sides of the argument - was how amongst the politicians on both sides of the argument kept. was how amongst the politicians on both sides of the argument kept onj both sides of the argument kept on bringing _ both sides of the argument kept on bringing whatever— both sides of the argument kept on bringing whatever question - both sides of the argument kept on bringing whatever question they . both sides of the argument kept onl bringing whatever question they had been tossed — bringing whatever question they had been tossed with _ bringing whatever question they had been tossed with her _ bringing whatever question they had been tossed with her about - bringing whatever question they had been tossed with her about climatel been tossed with her about climate change _ been tossed with her about climate change or— been tossed with her about climate change or about _ been tossed with her about climate change or about the _ been tossed with her about climate change or about the nhs _ been tossed with her about climate change or about the nhs or- been tossed with her about climate change or about the nhs or the - change or about the nhs or the economy— change or about the nhs or the economy back _ change or about the nhs or the economy back to _ change or about the nhs or the economy back to this _ change or about the nhs or the economy back to this questionl change or about the nhs or the i economy back to this question as change or about the nhs or the - economy back to this question as to whether— economy back to this question as to whether or— economy back to this question as to whether or not _ economy back to this question as to whether or not indeed _ economy back to this question as to whether or not indeed scotland - whether or not indeed scotland shoutd — whether or not indeed scotland should be — whether or not indeed scotland should be cultivating _ whether or not indeed scotland should be cultivating a - whether or not indeed scotland should be cultivating a another| should be cultivating a another referendum _ should be cultivating a another referendum. and _ should be cultivating a another referendum. and i— should be cultivating a another referendum. and i would - should be cultivating a another- referendum. and i would characterise this as _ referendum. and i would characterise this as a _ referendum. and i would characterise this as a debate — referendum. and i would characterise this as a debate in _ referendum. and i would characterise this as a debate in which _ referendum. and i would characterise this as a debate in which there - referendum. and i would characterise this as a debate in which there only . this as a debate in which there only wasn't _ this as a debate in which there only wasn't one — this as a debate in which there only wasn't one act _ this as a debate in which there only wasn't one act opera, _ this as a debate in which there only wasn't one act opera, but - this as a debate in which there only wasn't one act opera, but there - this as a debate in which there only| wasn't one act opera, but there was this constant — wasn't one act opera, but there was this constant leitmotif _ wasn't one act opera, but there was this constant leitmotif as _ wasn't one act opera, but there was this constant leitmotif as to - this constant leitmotif as to whether— this constant leitmotif as to whether or— this constant leitmotif as to whether or not _ this constant leitmotif as to whether or not they- this constant leitmotif as to whether or not they shouldl this constant leitmotif as to . whether or not they should be this constant leitmotif as to - whether or not they should be a referendum _ whether or not they should be a referendum or— whether or not they should be a referendum or not. _ whether or not they should be a referendum or not. but- whether or not they should be a referendum or not. but of- whether or not they should be a i referendum or not. but of course whether or not they should be a - referendum or not. but of course the downside. _ referendum or not. but of course the downside. i— referendum or not. but of course the downside, i think— referendum or not. but of course the downside, i thinkjust _ referendum or not. but of course the downside, i thinkjust tonight - referendum or not. but of course the downside, i thinkjust tonight for- downside, i thinkjust tonight for me downside, ithinkjust tonight for me clearly— downside, i thinkjust tonight for me clearly emphasises _ downside, i thinkjust tonight for me clearly emphasises the - downside, i thinkjust tonight for me clearly emphasises the way. downside, i thinkjust tonight fori me clearly emphasises the way in which _ me clearly emphasises the way in which the — me clearly emphasises the way in which the constitutional - me clearly emphasises the way in which the constitutional questionl me clearly emphasises the way in i which the constitutional question is going _ which the constitutional question is going to _ which the constitutional question is going to dominate _ which the constitutional question is going to dominate this _ which the constitutional question is going to dominate this campaign i going to dominate this campaign despite — going to dominate this campaign despite of— going to dominate this campaign despite of the _ going to dominate this campaign despite of the preferences - going to dominate this campaign despite of the preferences that l despite of the preferences that peopie — despite of the preferences that people like _ despite of the preferences that people like pamela _ despite of the preferences that people like pamela like - despite of the preferences that people like pamela like to- despite of the preferences that. people like pamela like to argue because — people like pamela like to argue because the _ people like pamela like to argue because the truth _ people like pamela like to argue because the truth is _ people like pamela like to argue because the truth is at _ people like pamela like to argue because the truth is at the - people like pamela like to argue because the truth is at the end i people like pamela like to arguel because the truth is at the end of the day— because the truth is at the end of the day douglas— because the truth is at the end of the day douglas ross _ because the truth is at the end of the day douglas ross is- because the truth is at the end of the day douglas ross is wanting. because the truth is at the end of. the day douglas ross is wanting to talk about— the day douglas ross is wanting to talk about the _ the day douglas ross is wanting to talk about the constitutional- talk about the constitutional question— talk about the constitutional questioniust _ talk about the constitutional questionjust as— talk about the constitutional question just as much - talk about the constitutional question just as much as - talk about the constitutional.

question just as much as nicola sturgeon — question just as much as nicola sturgeon is _ question just as much as nicola sturgeon is. but— question just as much as nicola sturgeon is. but equally- question just as much as nicola i sturgeon is. but equally however question just as much as nicola - sturgeon is. but equally however we did not— sturgeon is. but equally however we did not get— sturgeon is. but equally however we did not get anything _ sturgeon is. but equally however we did not get anything of— sturgeon is. but equally however we did not get anything of this - sturgeon is. but equally however we did not get anything of this eveningl did not get anything of this evening was the _ did not get anything of this evening was the discussion _ did not get anything of this evening was the discussion about _ did not get anything of this evening was the discussion about the - did not get anything of this evening| was the discussion about the merits or otherwise — was the discussion about the merits or otherwise of— was the discussion about the merits or otherwise of scotland _ was the discussion about the merits or otherwise of scotland becoming. was the discussion about the merits i or otherwise of scotland becoming an independent — or otherwise of scotland becoming an independent country. _ or otherwise of scotland becoming an independent country. still— or otherwise of scotland becoming an independent country. still having - or otherwise of scotland becoming an independent country. still having a i independent country. still having a debate _ independent country. still having a debate about — independent country. still having a debate about the _ independent country. still having a debate about the tactics _ independent country. still having a debate about the tactics of- independent country. still having a | debate about the tactics of whether or not— debate about the tactics of whether or not we _ debate about the tactics of whether or not we hold _ debate about the tactics of whether or not we hold a _ debate about the tactics of whether or not we hold a referendum - debate about the tactics of whether. or not we hold a referendum without coming _ or not we hold a referendum without coming to _ or not we hold a referendum without coming to the — or not we hold a referendum without coming to the substantive _ or not we hold a referendum without coming to the substantive issue - coming to the substantive issue about _ coming to the substantive issue about whether _ coming to the substantive issue about whether it's _ coming to the substantive issue about whether it's a _ coming to the substantive issue about whether it's a good - coming to the substantive issue about whether it's a good idea. | coming to the substantive issue - about whether it's a good idea. and to some _ about whether it's a good idea. and to some degree _ about whether it's a good idea. and to some degree i_ about whether it's a good idea. and to some degree i think— about whether it's a good idea. and to some degree i think it's- about whether it's a good idea. and to some degree i think it's a - about whether it's a good idea. and to some degree i think it's a waste. to some degree i think it's a waste of time _ to some degree i think it's a waste of time about _ to some degree i think it's a waste of time about politicians _ to some degree i think it's a waste of time about politicians so - to some degree i think it's a waste of time about politicians so they. of time about politicians so they tried _ of time about politicians so they tried to — of time about politicians so they tried to talk _ of time about politicians so they tried to talk about _ of time about politicians so they tried to talk about the _ of time about politicians so they tried to talk about the tactics i tried to talk about the tactics because _ tried to talk about the tactics because basically— tried to talk about the tactics because basically the - tried to talk about the tactics because basically the answerj tried to talk about the tactics i because basically the answer to tried to talk about the tactics - because basically the answer to the question— because basically the answer to the question is— because basically the answer to the question is depending _ because basically the answer to the question is depending on _ because basically the answer to the question is depending on whether. because basically the answer to the i question is depending on whether you are a yes _ question is depending on whether you are a yes or— question is depending on whether you are a yes or no— question is depending on whether you are a yes or no voter. _ question is depending on whether you are a yes or no voter. if— question is depending on whether you are a yes or no voter. if you _ are a yes or no voter. if you support— are a yes or no voter. if you support independence - are a yes or no voter. if you support independence you i are a yes or no voter. if you - support independence you want to referendum. — support independence you want to referendum. if— support independence you want to referendum, if you _ support independence you want to referendum, if you don't - support independence you want to referendum, if you don't support i referendum, if you don't support independence _ referendum, if you don't support independence you _ referendum, if you don't support independence you don't - referendum, if you don't support independence you don't want - referendum, if you don't support independence you don't want to. independence you don't want to referendum _ independence you don't want to referendum and _ independence you don't want to referendum and to _ independence you don't want to referendum and to that - independence you don't want to referendum and to that extent. independence you don't want to. referendum and to that extent at least _ referendum and to that extent at least it's — referendum and to that extent at least it's a — referendum and to that extent at least it's a waste _ referendum and to that extent at least it's a waste of _ referendum and to that extent at least it's a waste of time. - referendum and to that extent at| least it's a waste of time. talking about— least it's a waste of time. talking about the — least it's a waste of time. talking about the process _ least it's a waste of time. talking about the process and _ least it's a waste of time. talking about the process and the - least it's a waste of time. talking about the process and the merits| least it's a waste of time. talking . about the process and the merits of the otherwise — about the process and the merits of the otherwise referendum - about the process and the merits of the otherwise referendum without i the otherwise referendum without talking _ the otherwise referendum without talking about _ the otherwise referendum without talking about the _ the otherwise referendum without talking about the substance - the otherwise referendum without talking about the substance of - the otherwise referendum without i talking about the substance of what is at stake — talking about the substance of what is at stake. ~ ., is at stake. with the get the other issues that _ is at stake. with the get the other issues that came _ is at stake. with the get the other issues that came up, _ is at stake. with the get the other issues that came up, and - is at stake. with the get the other issues that came up, and where i is at stake. with the get the other. issues that came up, and where did you feel that nicola sturgeon was most under pressure? some of the most under pressure? some of the most heated exchanges were about

schools and the nhs. yes. most heated exchanges were about schools and the nhs. yes, although i 'ust want schools and the nhs. yes, although i just want to — schools and the nhs. yes, although i just want to say _ schools and the nhs. yes, although i just want to say i _ schools and the nhs. yes, although i just want to say i totally _ schools and the nhs. yes, although i just want to say i totally agree - just want to say i totally agree withjohn, absolutely just want to say i totally agree with john, absolutely fed just want to say i totally agree withjohn, absolutely fed up having this kind _ withjohn, absolutely fed up having this kind of proxy debates with the elephant— this kind of proxy debates with the elephant in the room is something that somehow cannot be discussed openly~ _ that somehow cannot be discussed openly. like it's a proper debate. he described this at the beginning yourself— he described this at the beginning yourself as nicola sturgeon defending her thoughts about a referendum, is not a defence, it's an explanation. it's a perfectly legitimate position. 0n where she came _ legitimate position. 0n where she came under pressure, yes on domestic record _ came under pressure, yes on domestic record there _ came under pressure, yes on domestic record there should be far more vigorous— record there should be far more vigorous probing on all of that, but the difficulty is that when you get it from _ the difficulty is that when you get it from the militias take some of the points— it from the militias take some of the points made, there are five pilot— the points made, there are five pilot cases ready to go in scotland which _ pilot cases ready to go in scotland which have — pilot cases ready to go in scotland which have been blocked by westminster deciding they don't want to be part _ westminster deciding they don't want to be part of it. on nurses, do we actually— to be part of it. on nurses, do we actually get — to be part of it. on nurses, do we actually get to the end of the question about whether the scottish

conservatives would honour the commitment for a 4% pay rise if they took office? — commitment for a 4% pay rise if they took office? no we did not. of poverty— took office? no we did not. of poverty legislation, can we concede that the _ poverty legislation, can we concede that the house has had eight scottish— that the house has had eight scottish child payment which is fairly— scottish child payment which is fairly revolutionary in the british isles? _ fairly revolutionary in the british isles? can— fairly revolutionary in the british isles? can we just get that we hear some _ isles? can we just get that we hear some of— isles? can we just get that we hear some of the content of this and then have people argue about whether independence will give you more of what you _ independence will give you more of what you want orjust be so colossally risky that it's not worth the candle?— colossally risky that it's not worth the candle? what did you make of anas the candle? what did you make of arias sarwar's _ the candle? what did you make of anas sarwar's performance - the candle? what did you make of anas sarwar's performance today, the candle? what did you make of i anas sarwar's performance today, a dentist, a man who was very new to the position as indeed is douglas ross, how did you think they contrasted and compared with each other in terms of debating skills? i other in terms of debating skills? i think douglas ross did, asjohn touched on, he did refer to the constitution whenever he was answering a question. it was not any policy announcements or anything

from the scottish conservative party, but what we saw from anas sarwar was looking at real solutions to the problems we are facing. and also highlighting that we keep hearing people refer to the covid pandemic is something that was unprecedented. it was unprecedented to the general public, not something that was we were discussing 18 months ago. it's not unprecedented for governments. as for the number one threat to the uk for a very long time, and what everyone actually exposed was a lack of resilience and public services, especially in the nhs and i think anas sarwar did very well and referring to that tonight and talk about how labour government would handling that differently. john, some people were predicting this would be a good chance for the greens, we had not seen much about lorna slater, and willie rennie a veteran of scottish politics, how well do you think they did in the debate compared with the first

three? i debate compared with the first three? ~' ., debate compared with the first three? ,, ., ., three? i think none of the politicians _ three? i think none of the politicians did _ three? i think none of the politicians did very - three? i think none of the politicians did very badly, | three? i think none of the - politicians did very badly, but equally— politicians did very badly, but equally l'm _ politicians did very badly, but equally l'm not— politicians did very badly, but equally i'm not sure - politicians did very badly, but equally i'm not sure any- politicians did very badly, but equally i'm not sure any of. politicians did very badly, but. equally i'm not sure any of them politicians did very badly, but - equally i'm not sure any of them did very well _ equally i'm not sure any of them did very well you — equally i'm not sure any of them did very well. you have _ equally i'm not sure any of them did very well. you have to _ equally i'm not sure any of them did very well. you have to give - equally i'm not sure any of them did very well. you have to give lorna i very well. you have to give lorna slater _ very well. you have to give lorna slater her — very well. you have to give lorna slater her dukem _ very well. you have to give lorna slater her dukem is— very well. you have to give lorna slater her dukem is the - very well. you have to give lorna slater her dukem is the first - very well. you have to give lorna| slater her dukem is the first time she's— slater her dukem is the first time she's been— slater her dukem is the first time she's been in— slater her dukem is the first time she's been in such _ slater her dukem is the first time she's been in such a _ slater her dukem is the first time j she's been in such a high—profile, high _ she's been in such a high—profile, high pressurised _ she's been in such a high—profile, high pressurised environment. i she's been in such a high—profile,. high pressurised environment. and whatever— high pressurised environment. and whatever you — high pressurised environment. and whatever you think— high pressurised environment. and whatever you think of— high pressurised environment. and whatever you think of her- high pressurised environment. and whatever you think of her views - high pressurised environment. and whatever you think of her views i i whatever you think of her views i think— whatever you think of her views i think she — whatever you think of her views i think she articulated _ whatever you think of her views i think she articulated them - whatever you think of her views i think she articulated them very. think she articulated them very clearly — think she articulated them very clearly and _ think she articulated them very clearly. and i— think she articulated them very clearly. and i think— think she articulated them very clearly. and i think came - think she articulated them very. clearly. and i think came forward think she articulated them very- clearly. and i think came forward as at least _ clearly. and i think came forward as at least the — clearly. and i think came forward as at least the equal— clearly. and i think came forward as at least the equal of— clearly. and i think came forward as at least the equal of the _ clearly. and i think came forward as at least the equal of the other - clearly. and i think came forward as at least the equal of the other four. at least the equal of the other four people _ at least the equal of the other four people present, _ at least the equal of the other four people present, but _ at least the equal of the other four people present, but i _ at least the equal of the other four people present, but i think- at least the equal of the other four people present, but i think one - at least the equal of the other four people present, but i think one ofl people present, but i think one of the things. — people present, but i think one of the things. all— people present, but i think one of the things, all of— people present, but i think one of the things, all of them, _ people present, but i think one of the things, all of them, politics i people present, but i think one of the things, all of them, politics isj the things, all of them, politics is about— the things, all of them, politics is about presenting _ the things, all of them, politics is about presenting a _ the things, all of them, politics is about presenting a big _ the things, all of them, politics is about presenting a big narrative. the things, all of them, politics is. about presenting a big narrative. a bil about presenting a big narrative. a big story — about presenting a big narrative. a big story and _ about presenting a big narrative. a big story. and constantly— big story. and constantly reiterating, _ big story. and constantly reiterating, and - big story. and constantly reiterating, and i- big story. and constantly reiterating, and i think. big story. and constantly- reiterating, and i think when it came — reiterating, and i think when it came to — reiterating, and i think when it came to domestic— reiterating, and i think when it came to domestic policy- reiterating, and i think when it came to domestic policy i- reiterating, and i think when it. came to domestic policy i suspect reiterating, and i think when it - came to domestic policy i suspect at the end _ came to domestic policy i suspect at the end of— came to domestic policy i suspect at the end of the — came to domestic policy i suspect at the end of the day— came to domestic policy i suspect at the end of the day what _ came to domestic policy i suspect at the end of the day what many- came to domestic policy i suspect at the end of the day what many who i the end of the day what many who watch _ the end of the day what many who watch the — the end of the day what many who watch the programme _ the end of the day what many who watch the programme would - the end of the day what many who watch the programme would havel the end of the day what many who - watch the programme would have come away with. _ watch the programme would have come away with. all— watch the programme would have come away with. all the — watch the programme would have come away with, all the politicians _ away with, all the politicians talking — away with, all the politicians talking about _ away with, all the politicians talking about a _ away with, all the politicians talking about a lot _ away with, all the politicians talking about a lot of- away with, all the politicians talking about a lot of detail. away with, all the politicians - talking about a lot of detail here in a bit — talking about a lot of detail here in a bit more _ talking about a lot of detail here in a bit more about— talking about a lot of detail here in a bit more aboutjobs- talking about a lot of detail here in a bit more about jobs and - in a bit more aboutjobs and infrastructure, _ in a bit more aboutjobs and infrastructure, more - in a bit more aboutjobs and infrastructure, more about. in a bit more about jobs and - infrastructure, more about broadband and l'm _ infrastructure, more about broadband and l'm not— infrastructure, more about broadband and l'm not sure — infrastructure, more about broadband and i'm not sure any— infrastructure, more about broadband and i'm not sure any of— infrastructure, more about broadband and i'm not sure any of them - infrastructure, more about broadband and i'm not sure any of them paintedl and i'm not sure any of them painted and i'm not sure any of them painted a very— and i'm not sure any of them painted a very clear— and i'm not sure any of them painted

a very clear picture _ and i'm not sure any of them painted a very clear picture of _ and i'm not sure any of them painted a very clear picture of what _ and i'm not sure any of them painted a very clear picture of what all - and i'm not sure any of them painted a very clear picture of what all of - a very clear picture of what all of this was— a very clear picture of what all of this was going _ a very clear picture of what all of this was going to _ a very clear picture of what all of this was going to add _ a very clear picture of what all of this was going to add up - a very clear picture of what all of this was going to add up to - a very clear picture of what all of this was going to add up to and i a very clear picture of what all of i this was going to add up to and into the kind _ this was going to add up to and into the kind of— this was going to add up to and into the kind of scotland _ this was going to add up to and into the kind of scotland we _ this was going to add up to and into the kind of scotland we are - this was going to add up to and into the kind of scotland we are going. the kind of scotland we are going towards — the kind of scotland we are going towards if— the kind of scotland we are going towards if you _ the kind of scotland we are going towards. if you are _ the kind of scotland we are going towards. if you are going - the kind of scotland we are going towards. if you are going to - the kind of scotland we are going towards. if you are going to put i the kind of scotland we are going . towards. if you are going to put the pandemic— towards. if you are going to put the pandemic first _ towards. if you are going to put the pandemic first you _ towards. if you are going to put the pandemic first you then _ towards. if you are going to put the pandemic first you then need - towards. if you are going to put the pandemic first you then need to - towards. if you are going to put the | pandemic first you then need to tell people _ pandemic first you then need to tell people what— pandemic first you then need to tell people what well, _ pandemic first you then need to tell people what well, what _ pandemic first you then need to tell people what well, what in _ pandemic first you then need to tell people what well, what in big - pandemic first you then need to tell people what well, what in big broadj people what well, what in big broad brush _ people what well, what in big broad brush terms — people what well, what in big broad brush terms is _ people what well, what in big broad brush terms is the _ people what well, what in big broad brush terms is the kind _ people what well, what in big broad brush terms is the kind of— people what well, what in big broad brush terms is the kind of country. brush terms is the kind of country you want— brush terms is the kind of country you want to — brush terms is the kind of country you want to create? _ brush terms is the kind of country you want to create? i'm _ brush terms is the kind of country you want to create? i'm not - brush terms is the kind of country you want to create? i'm not sure. brush terms is the kind of country. you want to create? i'm not sure any of them — you want to create? i'm not sure any of them on _ you want to create? i'm not sure any of them on either— you want to create? i'm not sure any of them on either side _ you want to create? i'm not sure any of them on either side of— you want to create? i'm not sure any of them on either side of the - of them on either side of the argument _ of them on either side of the argument managed - of them on either side of the argument managed to- of them on either side of the argument managed to do. of them on either side of the i argument managed to do that. of them on either side of the - argument managed to do that. and it's particularly— argument managed to do that. and it's particularly a _ argument managed to do that. and it's particularly a problem - argument managed to do that. and it's particularly a problem for- it's particularly a problem for those — it's particularly a problem for those parties _ it's particularly a problem for those parties who _ it's particularly a problem for those parties who are - it's particularly a problem for| those parties who are arguing it's particularly a problem for. those parties who are arguing to it's particularly a problem for- those parties who are arguing to put the pandemic— those parties who are arguing to put the pandemic first. _ those parties who are arguing to put the pandemic first. and _ those parties who are arguing to put the pandemic first. and where - those parties who are arguing to put the pandemic first. and where was i the pandemic first. and where was the pandemic first. and where was the strap _ the pandemic first. and where was the strap line. _ the pandemic first. and where was the strap line, where _ the pandemic first. and where was the strap line, where was- the pandemic first. and where was the strap line, where was the - the pandemic first. and where was| the strap line, where was the strap line? _ the strap line, where was the strap line? boris— the strap line, where was the strap line? borisjohnson_ the strap line, where was the strap line? boris johnson when - the strap line, where was the strap line? boris johnson when the - the strap line, where was the strap line? boris johnson when the 2019| line? boris johnson when the 2019 election— line? boris johnson when the 2019 election by— line? boris johnson when the 2019 election by constantly _ line? boris johnson when the 2019 election by constantly reiterating, | election by constantly reiterating, it gets _ election by constantly reiterating, it gets brexit— election by constantly reiterating, it gets brexit done. _ election by constantly reiterating, it gets brexit done. and _ election by constantly reiterating, it gets brexit done. and i- election by constantly reiterating, it gets brexit done. and i think. election by constantly reiterating, it gets brexit done. and i think in| it gets brexit done. and i think in truth _ it gets brexit done. and i think in truth advice — it gets brexit done. and i think in truth advice to _ it gets brexit done. and i think in truth advice to all— it gets brexit done. and i think in truth advice to all of— it gets brexit done. and i think in truth advice to all of the - truth advice to all of the politicians _ truth advice to all of the politicians would - truth advice to all of the politicians would be - truth advice to all of the politicians would be to i truth advice to all of the - politicians would be to think of a strap _ politicians would be to think of a strap line — politicians would be to think of a strap line similar— politicians would be to think of a strap line similar to— politicians would be to think of a strap line similar to that - politicians would be to think of a strap line similar to that to - strap line similar to that to encapsulate _ strap line similar to that to encapsulate their- strap line similar to that to| encapsulate their campaign strap line similar to that to - encapsulate their campaign because otherwise _ encapsulate their campaign because otherwise all— encapsulate their campaign because otherwise all the _ encapsulate their campaign because otherwise all the fine _ encapsulate their campaign because otherwise all the fine detail- encapsulate their campaign because otherwise all the fine detail they. otherwise all the fine detail they are coming — otherwise all the fine detail they are coming up— otherwise all the fine detail they are coming up with _ otherwise all the fine detail they are coming up with as _ otherwise all the fine detail they are coming up with as it - otherwise all the fine detail they are coming up with as it is - otherwise all the fine detail they. are coming up with as it is largely going _ are coming up with as it is largely going to — are coming up with as it is largely going to wash _ are coming up with as it is largely going to wash over _ are coming up with as it is largely going to wash over the _ are coming up with as it is largely going to wash over the eyes - are coming up with as it is largely going to wash over the eyes and. going to wash over the eyes and minds _ going to wash over the eyes and minds of— going to wash over the eyes and minds of most _ going to wash over the eyes and minds of most voters _ going to wash over the eyes and minds of most voters in - going to wash over the eyes and i minds of most voters in scotland? and you _ minds of most voters in scotland? and you think— minds of most voters in scotland? and you think that _ minds of most voters in scotland? and you think that is _ minds of most voters in scotland? and you think that is true - minds of most voters in scotland? and you think that is true nicola . and you think that is true nicola sturgeon as well? it’s

and you think that is true nicola sturgeon as well?— and you think that is true nicola sturgeon as well? it's almost a sort of lucky bag — sturgeon as well? it's almost a sort of lucky bag approach _ sturgeon as well? it's almost a sort of lucky bag approach in _ sturgeon as well? it's almost a sort of lucky bag approach in many - sturgeon as well? it's almost a sort| of lucky bag approach in many ways, but then— of lucky bag approach in many ways, but then of— of lucky bag approach in many ways, but then of course before answering specific _ but then of course before answering specific questions. you've got to be able to— specific questions. you've got to be able to take advantage of the moment and just— able to take advantage of the moment and just move in on your big theme. so i and just move in on your big theme. so i think— and just move in on your big theme. so i think everybody including nicola — so i think everybody including nicola sturgeon was notjust exactly asjohn _ nicola sturgeon was notjust exactly asjohn says, casting this nicola sturgeon was notjust exactly as john says, casting this forward and looking in a much bigger way towards — and looking in a much bigger way towards the future. so those big broad _ towards the future. so those big broad brush themes, if they are not present, _ broad brush themes, if they are not present, what people then end up thinking _ present, what people then end up thinking is, who do ijust feel i trust _ thinking is, who do ijust feel i trust more? and that's where i think nicola _ trust more? and that's where i think nicola sturgeon still hasjust on the trust — nicola sturgeon still hasjust on the trust ratings, despite even the very difficult weeks there have been. — very difficult weeks there have been. her— very difficult weeks there have been, hertrust ratings very difficult weeks there have been, her trust ratings are still probably— been, her trust ratings are still probably quite high. but that's resting — probably quite high. but that's resting on your laurels, i would've hoped _ resting on your laurels, i would've hoped there was a much bigger vision of an hoped there was a much bigger vision ofan independent hoped there was a much bigger vision of an independent scotland could be doin- of an independent scotland could be doing for— of an independent scotland could be doing for lots of the big issues that people care about. just doing for lots of the big issues that people care about.- doing for lots of the big issues that people care about. just a quick thou~ht on that people care about. just a quick thought on the _ that people care about. just a quick thought on the climate _ that people care about. just a quick thought on the climate because - that people care about. just a quick thought on the climate because i i thought on the climate because i want to go to glenn campbell in a moment butjust from you, we look into the demographic of the questions and how much time was

spent on the climate towards the end of the debate, that was interesting as well and it one party that did not get much support from the audience it seemed worthy scottish conservatives in terms of what they would or would not do on oil. band i would or would not do on oil. and i had to say — would or would not do on oil. and i had to say it _ would or would not do on oil. and i had to say it was _ would or would not do on oil. and i had to say it was a _ would or would not do on oil. and i had to say it was a mistake - would or would not do on oil. fific i had to say it was a mistake from douglas ross to say that he would not work with the s&p in any circumstances. the scottish parliament was created in a forum that was encouraged parties to work together once elected, so i don't think that's what voyagers wanted to hear from think that's what voyagers wanted to hearfrom douglas. i hope you will look at that again but it was fantastic to see so many questions in a climate, i think this is more evidence of voters want politicians to look at the big issues and not to be focusing on independence and the constitution. be focusing on independence and the constitution-— constitution. please stay with us all three of— constitution. please stay with us all three of you, _ constitution. please stay with us all three of you, just _ constitution. please stay with us all three of you, just want - constitution. please stay with us all three of you, just want to - constitution. please stay with us| all three of you, just want to pick up all three of you, just want to pick up a few points with the bbc scotland's political editor glenn campbell. what were the highlights for you? i campbell. what were the highlights for ou? ~' ., ., .,

for you? i think we got a taste of the six week— for you? i think we got a taste of the six week campaign _ for you? i think we got a taste of the six week campaign to - for you? i think we got a taste of the six week campaign to come i for you? i think we got a taste of| the six week campaign to come in for you? i think we got a taste of. the six week campaign to come in is a reminder that the fault line in scottish politics, the underlying tension is that constitutional question whether or not scotland's future should be as an independent country. a lot of time spent on arguing over whether or not there should be independence referendum and his next parliament. 0n the timing of that the first minister confirming that she would like to have that referendum in kabul she used to say the early part of the parliament confirming that she means the first half of the parliament if the first half of the parliament if the crisis is passed, and what the definition of a crisis being passed though we don't know. the greens also support independence, happy to have that referendum at some point in the next parliament but not boxing themselves then in the way that the first minister appears to have done on timing. the other parties opposed, but douglas ross,

the leader of the conservatives, working hard to be the most oppositional of the opposition leaders saying that he was actually somebody that did not want to work with a party like the s&p because it supports independence, and for that the labour leader who is vying for that second place in scottish politics with the conservatives, said that he needed to grow up because he supports a more cooperative politics despite the constitutional divide. but cooperative politics despite the constitutional divide.— constitutional divide. but the erson constitutional divide. but the person with _ constitutional divide. but the person with the _ constitutional divide. but the person with the most - constitutional divide. but the person with the most to - constitutional divide. but the person with the most to lose | constitutional divide. but the - person with the most to lose with nicola sturgeon but in terms of getting your message across, how did she perform do you think today? i think nicola sturgeon unsurprisingly it looks a bit tired because she is the leader of the scottish government, she was on government business today and has been leading the efforts to deal with the pandemic over the course of the last year. but she still commands the detail across the range of policies, and i think she demonstrated that

tonight but of course in a form like that when you are the incumbent, the leader of the government and you are being attacked from all sides. and i suppose that takes endurance over the course of an hour or so.- the course of an hour or so. thank ou ve the course of an hour or so. thank you very much _ the course of an hour or so. thank you very much indeed. _ the course of an hour or so. thank you very much indeed. glenn - the course of an hour or so. thank you very much indeed. glenn campbell there. let's get back to our guests, connecting back to you because one of the issues that do not come up any great detail was brexit. independence yes but brexit. is that so was surprise you when you look at how aggrieved scottish fishing industry has been in recent months after brexit, even though by and large they voted for it or supported it? , , ., �* , ., large they voted for it or supported it? ,, ., it? yes, but that's one of the dynamics _ it? yes, but that's one of the dynamics of _ it? yes, but that's one of the dynamics of having _ it? yes, but that's one of the dynamics of having a - it? yes, but that's one of the dynamics of having a specific| it? yes, but that's one of the - dynamics of having a specific sort of audience who tended to kind of honeypot— of audience who tended to kind of honeypot around several issues. if you want _ honeypot around several issues. if you want to — honeypot around several issues. if you want to bite in that debate out than i _ you want to bite in that debate out than i think— you want to bite in that debate out than i think that would have had to have been— than i think that would have had to have been thought of in advance, these _ have been thought of in advance, these the — have been thought of in advance, these the things we really want to discover— these the things we really want to discover because it would allow

other— discover because it would allow other parts of the country that perhaps — other parts of the country that perhaps were not represented so strongly— perhaps were not represented so strongly in the audience to have a say. strongly in the audience to have a say nicola — strongly in the audience to have a say. nicola sturgeon did talk in her opening _ say. nicola sturgeon did talk in her opening about the difficulties in the economy, and what of the principal— the economy, and what of the principal ones being that we are no longer— principal ones being that we are no longer in _ principal ones being that we are no longer in the single market. also lorna _ longer in the single market. also lorna slater talked equally about the difficulties of that and the young — the difficulties of that and the young people, one of the big themes of the _ young people, one of the big themes of the audience even for older peaper, — of the audience even for older peaper, there concern for the next iteration— peaper, there concern for the next iteration and their opportunities, and in _ iteration and their opportunities, and in that — iteration and their opportunities, and in that she made a very reasonable point about being stuck outside _ reasonable point about being stuck outside erasmus and not having freedom — outside erasmus and not having freedom of movement which scots voted _ freedom of movement which scots voted to— freedom of movement which scots voted to have it. so i think they made _ voted to have it. so i think they made a — voted to have it. so i think they made a reasonable attempt to bring brexit— made a reasonable attempt to bring brexit in— made a reasonable attempt to bring brexit in in— made a reasonable attempt to bring brexit in in the way in which questions _ brexit in in the way in which questions were asked but then nobody asked _ questions were asked but then nobody asked directly about fishing or trade — asked directly about fishing or trade. is — asked directly about fishing or trade. , ., ., , ., trade. is that a problem for the scottish conservatives? - trade. is that a problem for the scottish conservatives? yes - trade. is that a problem for the scottish conservatives? yes it i trade. is that a problem for the i scottish conservatives? yes it is, and i scottish conservatives? yes it is, and i think— scottish conservatives? yes it is, and i think it's _ scottish conservatives? yes it is, and i think it's a _ scottish conservatives? yes it is, and i think it's a conflict - scottish conservatives? yes it is, and i think it's a conflict there . and i think it's a conflict there and i think it's a conflict there and certainly promises made to the fishing community in scotland which

have not turned out the way they expected. i would've liked that subject to come up tonight visit would've highlighted the complexities of brexit and the negotiations afterwards. and i think we would have seen politicians also highlighting that that the drop in the ocean for the complexities and what negotiations would be if scotland were still in the uk. where is the pulling _ scotland were still in the uk. where is the pulling of— scotland were still in the uk. where is the pulling of this _ scotland were still in the uk. where is the pulling of this issue _ scotland were still in the uk. where is the pulling of this issue at - scotland were still in the uk. where is the pulling of this issue at the - is the pulling of this issue at the moment how much recent polling has been done is blue scotland wishes to reach join the eu been done is blue scotland wishes to reachjoin the eu and been done is blue scotland wishes to reach join the eu and the answer to thatis reach join the eu and the answer to that is yes. it's roughly around 62% of people who voted to remain back in 2016. an important point to understand here is that brexit has quite fundamentally changed the character of support for independence and character of support for the parties. the conservative party in scotland is very heavily dependent on the support of leave voters, they got around half of the league voters backing it, does not do terribly

well amongst remain voters. but back in 2016, we have to remember the last parliament election took place seven weeks before the brexit referendum. five years ago the s&p could almost get as much support amongst euro sceptics as they did amongst euro sceptics as they did amongst euro files. and is now twice as popular amongst remainders as it is leavers and indeed support for independence is higher amongst remainders than leavers. it was not an issue back in 2014. brexit is one of those fundamental underlying things and certainly change the character of the election and the support of the parties in the last five years. even if we were not talking about it. but five years. even if we were not talking about it.— five years. even if we were not talking about it. but what i've got this ear, talking about it. but what i've got this year. it _ talking about it. but what i've got this year, it can _ talking about it. but what i've got this year, it can also _ talking about it. but what i've got this year, it can also take - talking about it. but what i've got this year, it can also take the - talking about it. but what i've got this year, it can also take the last point _ this year, it can also take the last point that— this year, it can also take the last point that glenn _ this year, it can also take the last point that glenn made _ this year, it can also take the last point that glenn made about - this year, it can also take the last i point that glenn made about nicola sturgeon _ point that glenn made about nicola sturgeon being _ point that glenn made about nicola sturgeon being required _ point that glenn made about nicola sturgeon being required to - point that glenn made about nicola sturgeon being required to defend. sturgeon being required to defend her record. — sturgeon being required to defend her record. i— sturgeon being required to defend her record, i think— sturgeon being required to defend her record, i think we _ sturgeon being required to defend her record, i think we did - sturgeon being required to defend her record, i think we did see - sturgeon being required to defend. her record, i think we did see some of what _ her record, i think we did see some of what they— her record, i think we did see some of what they suggested _ her record, i think we did see some of what they suggested before - her record, i think we did see some

of what they suggested before the. of what they suggested before the debate, _ of what they suggested before the debate, happening _ of what they suggested before the debate, happening here— of what they suggested before the debate, happening here which- of what they suggested before the debate, happening here which is. of what they suggested before the i debate, happening here which is the difficulty— debate, happening here which is the difficulty that — debate, happening here which is the difficulty that the _ debate, happening here which is the difficulty that the opposition - debate, happening here which is the difficulty that the opposition has - difficulty that the opposition has attacking — difficulty that the opposition has attacking the _ difficulty that the opposition has attacking the s&p _ difficulty that the opposition has attacking the s&p because - difficulty that the opposition has attacking the s&p because in . difficulty that the opposition has attacking the s&p because in a i attacking the s&p because in a sense, — attacking the s&p because in a sense, quite— attacking the s&p because in a sense, quite reasonably, - attacking the s&p because in a sense, quite reasonably, the i attacking the s&p because in a - sense, quite reasonably, the issue was brought— sense, quite reasonably, the issue was brought up— sense, quite reasonably, the issue was brought up that _ sense, quite reasonably, the issue was brought up that actually - sense, quite reasonably, the issue was brought up that actually mayi sense, quite reasonably, the issue. was brought up that actually may be waiting _ was brought up that actually may be waiting times — was brought up that actually may be waiting times in _ was brought up that actually may be waiting times in scotland _ was brought up that actually may be waiting times in scotland were - was brought up that actually may be waiting times in scotland were not. waiting times in scotland were not too good _ waiting times in scotland were not too good even _ waiting times in scotland were not too good even before _ waiting times in scotland were not too good even before the - waiting times in scotland were not. too good even before the pandemic. but that _ too good even before the pandemic. but that kind — too good even before the pandemic. but that kind of— too good even before the pandemic. but that kind of criticism _ too good even before the pandemic. but that kind of criticism has - too good even before the pandemic. but that kind of criticism has to - too good even before the pandemic. but that kind of criticism has to be i but that kind of criticism has to be preceded — but that kind of criticism has to be preceded by, _ but that kind of criticism has to be preceded by. but _ but that kind of criticism has to be preceded by, but of— but that kind of criticism has to be preceded by, but of course - but that kind of criticism has to be preceded by, but of course i- preceded by, but of course i understand _ preceded by, but of course i understand that _ preceded by, but of course i understand that since - preceded by, but of course i understand that since the i preceded by, but of course i- understand that since the pandemic is not _ understand that since the pandemic is not much — understand that since the pandemic is not much we _ understand that since the pandemic is not much we could _ understand that since the pandemic is not much we could have - understand that since the pandemic is not much we could have done, i understand that since the pandemic. is not much we could have done, and you can _ is not much we could have done, and you can see _ is not much we could have done, and you can see how— is not much we could have done, and you can see how it's— is not much we could have done, and you can see how it's difficult - is not much we could have done, and you can see how it's difficult for- you can see how it's difficult for the opposition— you can see how it's difficult for the opposition to _ you can see how it's difficult for the opposition to attack - you can see how it's difficult for the opposition to attack the i the opposition to attack the pre-pandemic_ the opposition to attack the pre—pandemic history- the opposition to attack the pre—pandemic history of. the opposition to attack the | pre—pandemic history of the government— pre—pandemic history of the government because - pre—pandemic history of the government because in i pre—pandemic history of the government because in a i pre—pandemic history of the i government because in a sense pre—pandemic history of the - government because in a sense you have to _ government because in a sense you have to accept _ government because in a sense you have to accept that _ government because in a sense you have to accept that where _ government because in a sense you have to accept that where we i government because in a sense you have to accept that where we are i government because in a sense you have to accept that where we are at now is _ have to accept that where we are at now is not _ have to accept that where we are at now is not frankly _ have to accept that where we are at now is not frankly necessarily- have to accept that where we are at now is not frankly necessarily the i now is not frankly necessarily the fault _ now is not frankly necessarily the fault of _ now is not frankly necessarily the fault of the — now is not frankly necessarily the fault of the government. - now is not frankly necessarily the fault of the government. just i now is not frankly necessarily the fault of the government.- now is not frankly necessarily the fault of the government. just on the drama that sarah _ fault of the government. just on the drama that sarah spent _ fault of the government. just on the drama that sarah spent was - fault of the government. just on the drama that sarah spent was talking | drama that sarah spent was talking about in terms of the alex rows in the court cases and inquiries, leslie that did not feature particularly strongly in this debate but there were a few asides from fellow debaters but the questions

had been filtered and chosen by the producers. had been filtered and chosen by the roducers. , , ., ., producers. yes, if they wanted to 0 en u- producers. yes, if they wanted to open up the _ producers. yes, if they wanted to open up the debate _ producers. yes, if they wanted to open up the debate about - producers. yes, if they wanted to | open up the debate about tactics, the question could have been made but the _ the question could have been made but the way we are at the moment, is that the _ but the way we are at the moment, is that the leaders that have been invited — that the leaders that have been invited to— that the leaders that have been invited to take place, to take part are the _ invited to take place, to take part are the focus of that debate. and it's really— are the focus of that debate. and it's really hard to keep introducing the folks— it's really hard to keep introducing the folks who are not in the room. let's _ the folks who are not in the room. let's bear— the folks who are not in the room. let's bear in — the folks who are not in the room. let's bear in mind that currently we don't _ let's bear in mind that currently we don't actually know how many candidates the new party has, and we don't know— candidates the new party has, and we don't know anything about their policies — don't know anything about their policies cover there will be announced on april the 6th. but they have two msps _ announced on april the 6th. but they have two msps at _ announced on april the 6th. but they have two msps at the _ announced on april the 6th. but they have two msps at the moment. i announced on april the 6th. but they have two msps at the moment. theyj have two msps at the moment. they have two msps at the moment. they have two msps at the moment. they have two mps- _ have two msps at the moment. they have two mps. that's _ have two msps at the moment. they have two mps. that's rather important because a significant in the sense — important because a significant in the sense that these people have changed — the sense that these people have changed sides but they are not actually— changed sides but they are not actually in the parliament that the elections — actually in the parliament that the elections are about. so it's sort of makes _ elections are about. so it's sort of makes it— elections are about. so it's sort of makes it feel a little distant still in the _ makes it feel a little distant still in the policy focus that we've got tonight~ — in the policy focus that we've got toni . ht. �*

in the policy focus that we've got toniaht. . . ., in the policy focus that we've got toniaht. �* ., . , ., in the policy focus that we've got toniaht. �* ., ., ,, ., ., ~' in the policy focus that we've got toniaht. �* ., ., ,, ., tonight. and pamela when you look at the communicant _ tonight. and pamela when you look at the communicant douglas _ tonight. and pamela when you look at the communicant douglas ross - tonight. and pamela when you look at the communicant douglas ross or- tonight. and pamela when you look at. the communicant douglas ross or anas sarwarfor the communicant douglas ross or anas sarwar for example they are both young and recently taken of the leadership of their particular parties, did you think that they cut through in a way to the younger demographic event nicola sturgeon did or that she's been in powerfor seven years now? i did or that she's been in power for seven years now?— did or that she's been in power for seven years now? i would first touch and the fact — seven years now? i would first touch and the fact that _ seven years now? i would first touch and the fact that it's _ seven years now? i would first touch and the fact that it's been _ seven years now? i would first touch and the fact that it's been such i seven years now? i would first touch and the fact that it's been such an i and the fact that it's been such an sturgeon of the trust and still high from the public, i don't think that's the case. it certainly decreasing in i think we will see that in polls in the coming weeks. i think everything that's happened with alex salmond and the detail of that has been putting a chink in the armour. so we will see more of that. in terms of how douglas ross and anas sarwar use that tonight and cut through to the younger population, i think the younger population are you losing trust in nicola sturgeon as well and they are looking at that. and actually talking about policies

which will mean something to young people and start to paint that vision for the future. and whatjohn curtis says, it was not a single sound bite that came out tonight that will remember in the days and weeks ahead, and all of them need to look at that and really work on that. and get the message heard far and wide and notjust for people watching debates. just and wide and notjust for people watching debates.— and wide and notjust for people watching debates. and wide and notjust for people watchin: debates. , , ., , _, ., watching debates. just as we come to the end of the — watching debates. just as we come to the end of the programme, _ watching debates. just as we come to the end of the programme, in - watching debates. just as we come to the end of the programme, in terms. the end of the programme, in terms of the question he legislation that's been draughted, the nine page legislation that nicola sturgeon was talking about about the second independence referendum, is that very much a replay of the first referendum in terms of questions and just really waiting for the country to see how the country has changed? that perhaps his work obligated then may be _ that perhaps his work obligated then may be realised _ that perhaps his work obligated then may be realised. certainly— that perhaps his work obligated then may be realised. certainly true i that perhaps his work obligated then may be realised. certainly true that i may be realised. certainly true that the question— may be realised. certainly true that the question that's _ may be realised. certainly true that the question that's been _ may be realised. certainly true that the question that's been put - may be realised. certainly true that the question that's been put in i may be realised. certainly true that the question that's been put in thel the question that's been put in the draught _ the question that's been put in the draught bill— the question that's been put in the draught bill that— the question that's been put in the draught bill that the _ the question that's been put in the draught bill that the government i draught bill that the government published — draught bill that the government published just— draught bill that the government published just before _ draught bill that the government published just before parliamentj published just before parliament broke _ published just before parliament broke up— published just before parliament broke up is— published just before parliament broke up is exactly— published just before parliament broke up is exactly the _ published just before parliament broke up is exactly the same i broke up is exactly the same question—

broke up is exactly the same question that _ broke up is exactly the same question that was _ broke up is exactly the same question that was had i broke up is exactly the same question that was had in i broke up is exactly the same i question that was had in 2014, however— question that was had in 2014, however if— question that was had in 2014, however if the _ question that was had in 2014, however if the uk _ question that was had in 2014, however if the uk governmentj question that was had in 2014, i however if the uk government is not willing _ however if the uk government is not willing to _ however if the uk government is not willing to give — however if the uk government is not willing to give the _ however if the uk government is not willing to give the scottish _ willing to give the scottish government— willing to give the scottish government a _ willing to give the scottish government a section i willing to give the scottish government a section 30 i willing to give the scottish i government a section 30 order i don't _ government a section 30 order i don't think— government a section 30 order i don't think that's _ government a section 30 order i don't think that's going - government a section 30 order i don't think that's going to - government a section 30 order i don't think that's going to be . government a section 30 order i| don't think that's going to be the question— don't think that's going to be the question that _ don't think that's going to be the question that appears _ don't think that's going to be the question that appears in - don't think that's going to be the question that appears in a - don't think that's going to be the question that appears in a ballot| question that appears in a ballot paper— question that appears in a ballot paper and — question that appears in a ballot paperand its— question that appears in a ballot paper and it's deep _ question that appears in a ballot paper and it's deep question- question that appears in a ballot paper and it's deep question if. question that appears in a ballot i paper and it's deep question if the scottish— paper and it's deep question if the scottish government _ paper and it's deep question if the scottish government wants - paper and it's deep question if the scottish government wants to - paper and it's deep question if thel scottish government wants to have some _ scottish government wants to have some chance — scottish government wants to have some chance at _ scottish government wants to have some chance at least _ scottish government wants to have some chance at least of _ scottish government wants to have some chance at least of being - scottish government wants to have some chance at least of being able| some chance at least of being able to run— some chance at least of being able to run a _ some chance at least of being able to run a referendum _ some chance at least of being able to run a referendum that— some chance at least of being able to run a referendum that will- some chance at least of being able to run a referendum that will not l some chance at least of being able| to run a referendum that will not be declared _ to run a referendum that will not be declared illegal— to run a referendum that will not be declared illegal by— to run a referendum that will not be declared illegal by the _ to run a referendum that will not be declared illegal by the supreme - declared illegal by the supreme court _ declared illegal by the supreme court back— declared illegal by the supreme court. back when _ declared illegal by the supreme court. back when the _ declared illegal by the supreme court. back when the s&p - declared illegal by the supreme court. back when the s&p were| declared illegal by the supreme i court. back when the s&p were a minority— court. back when the s&p were a minority in— court. back when the s&p were a minority in 2007 _ court. back when the s&p were a minority in 2007 they— court. back when the s&p were a minority in 2007 they did - court. back when the s&p were a minority in 2007 they did come l court. back when the s&p were al minority in 2007 they did come up with a _ minority in 2007 they did come up with a question _ minority in 2007 they did come up with a question that _ minority in 2007 they did come up with a question that was _ minority in 2007 they did come up with a question that was designed| minority in 2007 they did come up . with a question that was designed to try and _ with a question that was designed to try and see _ with a question that was designed to try and see if— with a question that was designed to try and see if it— with a question that was designed to try and see if it could _ with a question that was designed to try and see if it could be _ with a question that was designed to try and see if it could be done - try and see if it could be done simply— try and see if it could be done simply on _ try and see if it could be done simply on the _ try and see if it could be done simply on the basis _ try and see if it could be done simply on the basis of - try and see if it could be done simply on the basis of the - try and see if it could be done - simply on the basis of the scottish parliament — simply on the basis of the scottish parliament. but _ simply on the basis of the scottish parliament. but that _ simply on the basis of the scottish parliament. but that said - simply on the basis of the scottish parliament. but that said even - simply on the basis of the scottish parliament. but that said even if. parliament. but that said even if this is— parliament. but that said even if this is the — parliament. but that said even if this is the same _ parliament. but that said even if this is the same question - parliament. but that said even if this is the same question on - parliament. but that said even if this is the same question on the| this is the same question on the ballot _ this is the same question on the ballot paper— this is the same question on the ballot paper will— this is the same question on the ballot paper will the _ this is the same question on the ballot paper will the debate - this is the same question on the ballot paper will the debate be i this is the same question on the . ballot paper will the debate be the sanre? _ ballot paper will the debate be the sanre? no — ballot paper will the debate be the sanre? no an— ballot paper will the debate be the same? no. an awful— ballot paper will the debate be the same? no. an awful lot— ballot paper will the debate be the same? no. an awful lot has- ballot paper will the debate be the . same? no. an awful lot has changed since _ same? no. an awful lot has changed since 2014 _ same? no. an awful lot has changed since 2014. frankly _ same? no. an awful lot has changed since 2014. frankly we _ same? no. an awful lot has changed since 2014. frankly we are _ same? no. an awful lot has changed since 2014. frankly we are now - since 2014. frankly we are now talking — since 2014. frankly we are now talking about _ since 2014. frankly we are now talking about when _ since 2014. frankly we are now talking about when to - since 2014. frankly we are now talking about when to be - since 2014. frankly we are now talking about when to be get. since 2014. frankly we are nowi talking about when to be get rid since 2014. frankly we are now . talking about when to be get rid of oil, talking about when to be get rid of oil. not _ talking about when to be get rid of oil. not how— talking about when to be get rid of oil, not how scotland _ talking about when to be get rid of oil, not how scotland is— talking about when to be get rid of oil, not how scotland is going - talking about when to be get rid of oil, not how scotland is going to. talking about when to be get rid of| oil, not how scotland is going to be financed _ oil, not how scotland is going to be financed by— oil, not how scotland is going to be financed by it— oil, not how scotland is going to be financed by it and _ oil, not how scotland is going to be financed by it and in— oil, not how scotland is going to be financed by it and in fact _ oil, not how scotland is going to be financed by it and in fact the - financed by it and in fact the united — financed by it and in fact the united kingdom _ financed by it and in fact the united kingdom has- financed by it and in fact the united kingdom has left- financed by it and in fact the united kingdom has left the| financed by it and in fact the - united kingdom has left the european union _ united kingdom has left the european

union fundamentally— united kingdom has left the european union fundamentally changes - united kingdom has left the european union fundamentally changes the - union fundamentally changes the nature _ union fundamentally changes the nature of— union fundamentally changes the nature of choice _ union fundamentally changes the nature of choice that _ union fundamentally changes the nature of choice that scott's - union fundamentally changes the i nature of choice that scott's voters will be _ nature of choice that scott's voters will be placed _ nature of choice that scott's voters will be placed in— nature of choice that scott's voters will be placed in four— nature of choice that scott's voters will be placed in four referendum. i will be placed in four referendum. it will be placed in four referendum. it wiii— will be placed in four referendum. it will be — will be placed in four referendum. it will be in — will be placed in four referendum. it will be in independence - will be placed in four referendum. it will be in independence inside l it will be in independence inside the european _ it will be in independence inside the european union _ it will be in independence inside the european union or- it will be in independence inside the european union or in- it will be in independence inside the european union or in the - it will be in independence inside i the european union or in the union and outside — the european union or in the union and outside the _ the european union or in the union and outside the eu. _ the european union or in the union and outside the eu. that— the european union or in the union and outside the eu. that was- the european union or in the union and outside the eu. that was not. the european union or in the union . and outside the eu. that was not the choice _ and outside the eu. that was not the choice of— and outside the eu. that was not the choice of 2014 — and outside the eu. that was not the choice of 2014. is _ and outside the eu. that was not the choice of 2014.— choice of 2014. is 'ust a different olitical choice of 2014. isjust a different political landscape. _ choice of 2014. isjust a different political landscape. thank - choice of 2014. isjust a different political landscape. thank you i choice of 2014. isjust a different| political landscape. thank you all very much indeed for giving your analysis of this, the first scottish leaders debate. there will be two more, one on the bbc and another one broadcast by itv, but that is it for this first debate from edinburgh, the exchange there tonight.

25 degrees in march, the last time the uk saw that kind of warmth it was 1968. 24.5 degrees to be precise was 1968. 24.5 degrees to be precise was the temperature recorded this afternoon in west london. where is all the warm air coming from? it's originated from northern africa and made its way all the weight north and write the way across the uk today to purchase have been well above average. but through the northwest we still have got this cold front that's been bringing relentless rain into western scotland, there's more to come out of that overnight. to the south of the front it will turn chilly in a few spots but not as cold as last night we should really lose that threat of frost, temperatures in the mid range single figures. through wednesday the story is about this cold front coming into play. not particularly potential through wednesday cover the rent will be as heavy but it ushers in behind it is what make the difference. the clue

is in the name, cooler air. temperatures 8 degrees down on wednesday, 14 for belfast but still looking at the potential of 23 in the southeast of england. wednesday to thursday the cold front sinks for the south across the uk. high—pressure comes to dominate so essentially an lot of fine weather but it has moved us from that changing things come into cooler air across the board. we will size something a little bit milder in the southwest. 18 or 19 degrees in cardiff, but big changes when you contrast thursday to today and particularly for northern england and scotland. and the end of the week we are getting into good friday and the start of the easter weekend. the high orientated to self again as we moved to the northerly plunge of air having gone from sub—saharan air we are now basically into arctic air and it will start to feel much chillier indeed. the weather picture looks pretty quiet for good friday. a lot of fine weather around to perhaps some thicker cloud coming

from the north sea in eastern side of england. that will add to the field as welcome a look at the temperatures right back down where there should be. barely making into double figures in some areas as threat of the frosty night friday and for easter weekend all going to be sitting in colder air is an increasing chance of a wintry shower for easter monday.

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