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police guarding the us capitol building in washington have shot a man dead after he ran over two police officers, killing one of them. no motive for the man's actions has yet been given. the trial of former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin, accused of killing george floyd, has been ongoing. senior police officers who attended the scene have been explaining the training they have received for arresting suspects. more than 50 people are thought to have died when a high speed passenger train came off the rails in taiwan. eyewitnesses have suggested it hit a construction vehicle which had slipped into its path. the indian cricket star sachin tendulkar has been admitted to hospital, after suffering from coronavirus for more than a week. he tweeted that he had been admitted as a matter of precaution. at ten o'clock reeta chakrabarti.
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will be here with a full round up of the days news. first, the media show. a handful of tech entrepreneurs in silicon valley have become the editor in chief of the internet. mark zuckerberg of facebook, jack dorsey of twitter, we talk about them and their companies all the time but we very rarely hear from them. well today, we will. because steve huffman is the ceo of reddit. a multibillion—dollar company which is the seventh most visited website in america. so what is reddick? is this what the internet should look like, a free space for free speech. a news platform where anything malicious orjust plain boring. what we learn from the companies battle against conspiracy theories and white supremacist content. and how did a social media site come to take on and humbled wall street.-
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on and humbled wall street. steve, welcome to — on and humbled wall street. steve, welcome to the _ on and humbled wall street. steve, welcome to the show. _ on and humbled wall street. steve, welcome to the show. my _ on and humbled wall street. steve, welcome to the show. my pleasure. i welcome to the show. my pleasure. i'm honoured to be here today. let’s i'm honoured to be here today. let's start at the — i'm honoured to be here today. let's start at the beginning _ i'm honoured to be here today. let's start at the beginning of your illustrious career. your two roommates and the american east coast who came up with and coded a social media site that is today worth billions was a fanatic about facebook i'm talking about you, steve. take us back to 2025 spring break up your senior year you're starting with the guy a lot of people would know him because he is the husband of serena williams. he came up with the idea for a website that would be the front page of the internet. how would you explain reddit to someone who's never seen you before? 50 reddit to someone who's never seen you before?— you before? so reddit is complex. deendin: you before? so reddit is complex. depending on _ you before? so reddit is complex. depending on how _ you before? so reddit is complex. depending on how long _ you before? so reddit is complex. depending on how long i _ you before? so reddit is complex. depending on how long i have - you before? so reddit is complex. depending on how long i have forl depending on how long i have for this answer, i'll start with the short version and maybe we can work our way into the longer version. sure. but is thousands of communities. it's a place where people can find a community for pretty much any interest and passion that they may have. so our range from the familiar news, politics,
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sports to internet culture. communities that may not have representation off—line at all. and to support. for communities for people who are parents of the first time or struggling with drug and alcohol addiction. time or struggling with drug and alcoholaddiction. places time or struggling with drug and alcohol addiction. places where folks may not have a lot of places to turn to elsewhere online or off—line. so reddit, it's a little bit of everything. at its core is communities and its people. what bit of everything. at its core is communities and its people. what was the auestion communities and its people. what was the question to — communities and its people. what was the question to which _ communities and its people. what was the question to which it _ communities and its people. what was the question to which it reddit - communities and its people. what was the question to which it reddit it - the question to which it reddit it was the answer in 2005? what we are setting out to do that no one else was doing or no one else was doing as well. in was doing or no one else was doing as well. :: :: was doing or no one else was doing as well. i: :: ., , ., ., as well. in 2005 our vision for reddit was — as well. in 2005 our vision for reddit was different - as well. in 2005 our vision for reddit was different than - as well. in 2005 our vision for| reddit was different than what as well. in 2005 our vision for i reddit was different than what it as well. in 2005 our vision for - reddit was different than what it is today. we only had a single community. so in 2005 the way i would describe read it is that it's a place where you can find new and interesting content online. and i take a little exception to your
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opening being described as editor—in—chief. because we created back into as a reaction against traditional media. we specifically did not want to be the gatekeepers. we believe that people, our users were the people with the most or in the best position to determine what's interesting or not. when i'm sellinu what's interesting or not. when i'm selling these _ what's interesting or not. when i'm selling these stories _ what's interesting or not. when i'm selling these stories to _ what's interesting or not. when i'm selling these stories to people - what's interesting or not. when i'm selling these stories to people on l selling these stories to people on high polluting news broadcast i often have to explain, not the enormous reach of reddit but the might be assumption from people who look at game stop is working to come onto that think that reddit is a young persons passed on. what do you but know about the demographics of those sub magnitudes. those thousands of communities that you have? ,, �* , , , ., have? sure. it's interesting you frame it as _ have? sure. it's interesting you frame it as what _ have? sure. it's interesting you frame it as what we _ have? sure. it's interesting you frame it as what we know - have? sure. it's interesting you i frame it as what we know because have? sure. it's interesting you - frame it as what we know because one of the things that i think is unique about reddit is that we don't insist that our users tell us their age or
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gender or location. though we do know these things through surveys and things like that. our audience is age wise, we call them emerging adults. we tend to pick people up towards the end of high school. when they are in their late teens, early 20s when the young adult starts to develop their own opinions about the world. when they start to separate from their parents was up and then wejust keep them. from their parents was up and then we just keep them. so the age range, are a sweet spot is basically somebody in their 20s without late teens, early 30s. although that continues to grow and expand. and we skew mail. but it's becoming more balance roughly 60 —— a0 and both the us and uk at this point. i mention game stop and i should explain for those who aren't familiar. they may have seen headlines a few weeks earlier and this year. basically a reddit community called wall street bats, started to call on members to buy
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stock in a company called game stop. this is a bricks and mortar high streak on doing badly on the stock market. so many reddit users started buying stocks and the share price went up. at one point it went from $20 to for hundred dollars was up and reddit users started making headphones against gated stop. that's where the anti—establishment or entry wall street sentiment comes in full stops on genuinely significant established hedge funds found themselves in serious difficulty. you've been very frank about this and you said that you were late to realise what was going on. when did you start paying attention, do you think? i on. when did you start paying attention, do you think? i was late because i attention, do you think? i was late because i was _ attention, do you think? i was late because i was in _ attention, do you think? i was late because i was in it. _ attention, do you think? i was late because i was in it. i— attention, do you think? i was late because i was in it. i was - because i was in it. i was personally late to observe that the story had become a mainstream media story. but wall street bats is one of the communities that specialises in high—risk, high trading. it among
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many financial and investing relating communities on reddit. many of which are more conservative than wall street bats. wall street bats is one of my guilty pleasures on reddit. i've been watching them and go through their machinations the couple years, get excited about particular stocks are not. game stop was one of those over the last year. so it was a little bit of a surprise to me when that conversation metastasized and became a national or even global conversation. it's always i think a little peculiar to me when reddit leaks out into the real world. maybe i shouldn't because at this point were quite large. i think i still have memories from when we were significantly smaller. �* , ., ., . , from when we were significantly smaller. �* , ., ., ., , ., smaller. it's in extraordinary move for ou smaller. it's in extraordinary move for you as — smaller. it's in extraordinary move for you as a _ smaller. it's in extraordinary move for you as a founder, _ smaller. it's in extraordinary move for you as a founder, ceo, - smaller. it's in extraordinary move for you as a founder, ceo, at - smaller. it's in extraordinary move for you as a founder, ceo, at the l for you as a founder, ceo, at the centre of this. enormous story of global significance about the nature of financial markets. i read reports that you came under some pressure from wall street figures to take this community down. is that true and if so how did that pressure
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manifest. because i can relate going back to how i open the show as a newspaper editor when people don't like stuff they ring you up and say stop. as i would happen to you? i’m stop. as i would happen to you? i'm sure the stop. as i would happen to you? in sure the sentiment was there but it didn't make it directly to me. i know the hedge funds that were on the wrong side of those trades were having a bad day. and i'm sure that was the feeling they had. it wasn't something that made it directly to me and it was never something we seriously considered. let’s me and it was never something we seriously considered.— seriously considered. let's talk about your _ seriously considered. let's talk about your business _ seriously considered. let's talk about your business model- seriously considered. let's talk l about your business model which seriously considered. let's talk - about your business model which has been hugely successful, i read in the financial times you read another £250 million or so, dollars i should say in february. your basic model, i want to understand to what extends to some of the other advertising driven models on the internet age that we have. other social media websites essentially advertise companies they want to what users do on the site they sell their information on to third parties and they sell targeted advertising space on their platform. how does reddit
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make its money? irate on their platform. how does reddit make its money?— make its money? we are in the advertising _ make its money? we are in the advertising business. _ make its money? we are in the advertising business. so - make its money? we are in the advertising business. so our. advertising business. so our customers are advertisers, customers brands that you would all be familiar with for sure. brands that you would all be familiarwith forsure. in brands that you would all be familiar with for sure. in the uk right now this is netflix, samsung, google among others. we are different from the other platforms and that our business is not predicated on the harvesting of personal information. on reddit, we don't have a lot of personal information and that's important to us. privacy has long been one of our values. but as it relates to advertising, advertisers come to reddit where they can connect with their customers around common interest. so for example, we have a community called makeup addiction. it's for is a name implies, people who are really into makeup. if you
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are at eight makeup company, by the way the people who work at makeup companies love makeup so much that they choose to wake delete network at a makeup company. it's a natural thing for them process prompt personally and professionally to be in that community. and so for most brands there is a community in their space, if not directly for them where the advertiser can find their customer. so we don't have to play games around targeting like the other platforms might have to. than other platforms might have to. an interesting bit convivial friction i interesting bit convivialfriction i think it's fair to say to talk about describing you as editor in chief of san when they think it was, i think that you are making, i'm pleased to see you smiling as i say this, i was hoping you grab onto phrase. let me be honest, i cover big tech companies are living in this is a source of some beef among some of your more illustrious peers was on mark zuckerberg back in 2016 said facebook is not a media company. choice, media company i would argue that a lot of people argue that it's having to make more and more editorial decisions. let's look at
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some of the decisions that you've had to me, difficult, complex decisions around trade—offs of free speech was out that we can talk about the semantics of editor—in—chief. like wikipedia posts and monitors as you said at essentially regulated by volunteer moderators. essentially regulated by volunteer moderators-— essentially regulated by volunteer moderators. ~ ., ., ., ., ., moderators. who are your moderators? reddit has multiple _ moderators. who are your moderators? reddit has multiple layers _ moderators. who are your moderators? reddit has multiple layers of _ reddit has multiple layers of moderation. the word moderator mean something on reddit. on reddit moderators are users who create and moderate communities. they are users with some extra powers that they have inherited through being the creators of communities. on other side of the moderators are two other important groups. above them is reddit inc.. this is our centralised team. these are the people who work at reddit who enforce our product platform wide policies access to tools and this and that to enforce
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our policies at scales. below the moderators are the communities themselves. so every post on reddit has an up and down arrow. and every post on reddit starts at zero. and has to earn its visibility. or also could be rejected by the community. it either has to get enough up votes to become popular or may actually receive a whole bunch of down votes and not be seen by anybody. actually most content on reddit is downloaded ljy most content on reddit is downloaded by users long before the moderators see it. and then following their the moderator actually removed quite a bit of content before we see it. so there are layers, yeah. there's . bit of content before we see it. so there are layers, yeah. there's an| there are layers, yeah. there's an ecosystem _ there are layers, yeah. there's an ecosystem there. _ there are layers, yeah. there's an ecosystem there. and _ there are layers, yeah. there's an ecosystem there. and i _ there are layers, yeah. there's an ecosystem there. and i think - there are layers, yeah. there's an ecosystem there. and i think this| ecosystem there. and i think this combination of users and employees and people and machines is the only way to scale moderation. quite frankly, i think people, are users are the only people with enough context and taste to it make some of the difficult decisions that need to
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be made. ., �* ., , , ., be made. you've thought deeply about the limits of free _ be made. you've thought deeply about the limits of free speech. _ be made. you've thought deeply about the limits of free speech. you've - the limits of free speech. you've spoken about it repeatedly. in 2015 you said i quote, the context matters. you said i don't think we should sign matters. you said i don't think we should sig— should sign sciences people 'ust because their i should sign sciences people 'ust because their viewpoint is h should sign sciences people just because their viewpoint is that l should sign sciences people just i because their viewpoint is that we disagree — because their viewpoint is that we disagree with. there is value in the conversation and we as a society need _ conversation and we as a society need to— conversation and we as a society need to confront these issues was up possibly— need to confront these issues was up possibly open racism on similar size with w_ possibly open racism on similar size with w gave a nuance answer it's important — with w gave a nuance answer it's important to convey that this wasn't nuanced _ important to convey that this wasn't nuanced |t— important to convey that this wasn't nuanced. . , important to convey that this wasn't nuanced. ., , , ., nuanced. it was interesting. you said on read _ nuanced. it was interesting. you said on read it _ nuanced. it was interesting. you said on read it the _ nuanced. it was interesting. you said on read it the way - nuanced. it was interesting. you said on read it the way it - nuanced. it was interesting. you said on read it the way it we - nuanced. it was interesting. you | said on read it the way it we think of speech is to separate behaviour from police. this means on reddit there will be people with the leaf different from your own. sometimes extremely so. when used as action can conflict with our policies we take action. at what point would a racial slur conflict with your policies? i’iiii racial slur conflict with your policies?— racial slur conflict with your olicies? �* ., , , ., policies? i'll answer your question to directly and _ policies? i'll answer your question to directly and then _ policies? i'll answer your question to directly and then i'll— policies? i'll answer your question to directly and then i'll provide - to directly and then i'll provide context. it's easy for me to say when a racial slur is used with
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malice or as a hateful word. that would be in violent violation of our content policy for the up and indeed it is. of course there are usages of such words that are not in violation of our policies. when people aren't talking about the words for that when people are talking about speech. when they are used among certain groups as a term of endearment. when it's a musical lyric and things like that. talking about limiting free speech. for sure. the context is important. i think it's important that one of the things that would be damaging is if we said this word is not allowed. regardless of the contacts. because i think that's missing an opportunity for society to evolving threats to even have these conversations about speech. and i think conversations about speech are really important to have because it's among i think, not only the
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most complex topics that we as society need to wrestle with but it's also one of the kind of bedrock foundations of our society. as you quote me over the years, there is indeed i think an evolution to my thinking. one of ourfirst indeed i think an evolution to my thinking. one of our first values at reddit is evolved. i think we have to be honest with ourselves and that society changes our thinking changes, ourability society changes our thinking changes, our ability to articulate our thinking changes. find our thinking changes. and circumstances _ our thinking changes. and circumstances arise - our thinking changes. and circumstances arise which you can't predict. you might get a president who challenges some of the limits of free speech which donald trump very much there. let me ask you another example because it shows how your thinking has evolved. in 2017 you call yourself a support group for men that were posting misogynistic comments and even advocating rate. why did that will go beyond the pale? why was that when taken down? are you personally the final arbiter on these decisions is mark zuckerberg very much is on facebook.
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in that family of communities we'd seen actually a pattern that is i think fairly common online which is a community starts off as one thing and evolves into another worse and ultimately problematic or really troublesome thing. in this case we had communities that were started for men. for lonely men trying to find their place in the world. looking for support and that loneliness turns to bitterness, that bitterness turns into anger and then you know, at the point where we ban them we saw that trending towards potentially real violence. i think this is one of the things that's important is that much of the time, probably most of the time, a community that we band was not something that we would ban on the day of its creation but evolved into that situation. i think it requires close monitoring and a lot of this context of having been through it a
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few times now. and so our content policies at reddit prohibit violence and inciting violence and glorifying violence. and bullying and harassments. often the communities we band are violating those rules or are very close to doing so. i we band are violating those rules or are very close to doing so.— are very close to doing so. i should sa in the are very close to doing so. i should say in the spirit _ are very close to doing so. i should say in the spirit of _ are very close to doing so. i should say in the spirit of fullness - are very close to doing so. i should say in the spirit of fullness and - say in the spirit of fullness and frankness that we are talking about a bunch of controversial examples. these examples are not at all represented of reddit on the whole. i looked an hour ago before talking to you and i saw a lovely video of a parent plugging away at a cat. i should say for people who are listening, i don't want to give a false impression this is all you see on reddit. it's very much a minority of what you see full topic very interesting to talk to you about your thinking. interesting to talk to you about yourthinking. lastjune interesting to talk to you about your thinking. lastjune you took the decision to ban a community called the donald. it was one of your biggest communities. three quarters of million users was up much bigger than the circulation of most british newspapers for comparison for people listening to us right now. for several years it originated many of the trump
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supported memes that a gone viral on facebook and twitter. can you just talk me through your decision to ban back group? he must�*ve known the press would see this as reddit censoring trump and indeed trump supporters may have said that. sure. thank ou supporters may have said that. sure. thank you for— supporters may have said that. sure. thank you for adding _ supporters may have said that. sure. thank you for adding the _ supporters may have said that. c”, thank you for adding the context before. i will observe that reddit his people. and like people reddit is overwhelmingly good. it's actually one of my favourite things in life that i've learned from reddit is that people in the right contacts are funnier and more interesting and more supportive than i think we give them credit for. ultimately, were talking about a very small number of people. we want to make sure if they are in violation of our policies are not on our platform. and if they are perhaps making trouble but not yet in violation of our policies that they are influence and voice in proportion to their numbers. that is to say, fringe views should be friends. so, the donald. the donald is this community dedicated to supporters of donald trump. it was
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formed i believe in 2016, maybe 2015. we did ultimately ban it in the spring of 2020. though at that point it was a dead community. it was dormant and had been that way since 2019. but we had certainly had our challenges with the donald over the years. that community among other things you mentioned, the memes, the news that stuff is by and large within the bounds of our content policy. there is also a community of trolls, of people deliberately testing our boundaries, testing the rules, antagonizing the company or the greater reddit community. and those are often some of the most challenging communities to deal with because they are savvy enough to do with the rules are. and much like a four—year—old testing boundaries they try to find where the line is, they walk right up to it and they stick their nose over
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it. and they effectively are bating you to take action. and this was a challenge. because this is also a community dedicated to the president of the united states. as we talked about before, political speech is notjust about before, political speech is not just sacred about before, political speech is notjust sacred in the united states and in liberal democracies for top but it's intertwined with reddit. and we believe it political speech is extremely important. i and we believe it political speech is extremely important.— is extremely important. i have a four-year-old — is extremely important. i have a four-year-old so _ is extremely important. i have a four-year-old so i _ is extremely important. i have a four-year-old so i hear - is extremely important. i have a four-year-old so i hear you - is extremely important. i have a four-year-old so i hear you loud is extremely important. i have a - four-year-old so i hear you loud and four—year—old so i hear you loud and clear. can i put to you that what you are really describing is your ex or power. i hearyou, i you are really describing is your ex or power. i hear you, i understand what you're saying, you are not conventional media companies. of course you don't commission content you are community driven for supper you are community driven for supper you have the power to through your judgment, through your humbly submit to you your editorialjudgment, you have the power to allow communities of 750,000 people to either exist or not to exist. that's a power where if you're a kind of romantic like me and you watch things like citizen kane, used or believed to newspaperman in the 20th century for
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w are in a sense editors. you are in a sense making subjective decisions about what should and shouldn't be online albeit in a different context, albeit whilst being community driven as you are. i think if ou are community driven as you are. i think if you are also _ community driven as you are. i think if you are also a _ community driven as you are. i think if you are also a romantic— community driven as you are. i think if you are also a romantic like - community driven as you are. i think if you are also a romantic like me i if you are also a romantic like me you have a pathological sometimes detrimental dedication to the values behind our reasoning. and in this case authenticity and openness and truthfulness. it's true, we do make decisions. and when we make decisions. and when we make decisions in this case about a political community we waive those decisions very heavily. my preference honestly, over the long term as we've done in many areas of reddit is to find a way for the greater community to make those decisions themselves. our communities, they break the rules, they enforce those rules, they create the culture. they don't yet have the ability to make these
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really large decisions.- have the ability to make these really large decisions. okay. a coule really large decisions. okay. a couple questions _ really large decisions. okay. a couple questions about - really large decisions. okay. a couple questions about the - really large decisions. okay. a i couple questions about the future really large decisions. okay. a - couple questions about the future of the web. to my mind there are a couple of very big and loud arguments about the future of the web. one is between what you might call the california and the western web where you've been one of the pioneers in one of the leading entrepreneurs and the chinese version of the web which is a much more work guarded, much more authoritarian, frankly. and you have authoritarian, frankly. and you have a system where the internet is much more useful surveillance and control. do you worry looking at chinese investment in africa, parts of asia, do you worry that the california web is losing some momentum to the chinese web? i do worry about — momentum to the chinese web? i gr worry about that. i think shutting down the internet to protect and entrench power is i think, probably the least democratic thing i can think of. the internet as we know it, the western internet grew up in the shadow of democracy. reddit the platform grew up in the shadow of
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democracy. there's an idealism that i have that through our company and runs through a lot of the internet platforms that we know today. about freedom and accessibility. and i do think that is at risk. and so i look at the situation very much as you describe. i think there is conflict about the future of the internet. i, one of my dreams through reddit or other work is to fulfil the promise of the internet which is to connect people around the world. and to connect, share at first information and ideas which i think the internet is largely forfilling and ideas which i think the internet is largely for filling the promise and hopefully down the road economic opportunity. i do think that is a threat. both reddit and i personally and hopefully everybody who cares
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about the internet will stand up and fight for these values. i think it's perfectly, we are perfectly capable of disagreeing on the details and how moderation works and how we should think about speech, we would need to work through all those things without the internet needs to be defended globally as well. there is another principal _ be defended globally as well. there is another principal argument which is another principal argument which is about the role of privacy and whatever future web we are going to have. they seems to me to be quite a big disagreement about tim cook of apple and marks up the bird about how much privacy matters and you know that in the —— mark zuckerberg. tim cook is proposing changes which facebook deals compromises the openness of the web. ijust facebook deals compromises the openness of the web. i just wonder what yourfought openness of the web. i just wonder what your fought two thoughts are on that where we are moving to a word in which privacy is pete something people care more about and something precious may be lost if we do that. i spent the last decade worried that people didn't care about privacy. as i watched these other platforms grow past reddit. we are 16 years old so
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we are as old as all of them and older than many of them. in we cared about privacy to such an extent that it probably hamstrung our business for a while. probably stunted growth, to be fair. so i watched as companies grow and once these companies grow and once these companies go and i thought man, maybe we arejust companies go and i thought man, maybe we are just this weird corner of the internet that is too idealistic for our own good. maybe these customer, users don't care. because i see all the information they're revealing on these other platforms, maybe they don't care. it turns out they do care theyjust didn't know what they were doing. and when they learned what was happening with a data and who who is being sold to and how is being used they were very, very upset. and i among them was upset. to some extent i do feel vindicated now. ifeel it's entirely possible to succeed of it's entirely possible to succeed of it internet platform and respect users privacy put up we can even build successful ad space and
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respect peoples privacy. i have to admit, if facebook is going to fight for the open and untranslated, grateful to him although i don't know if they have a lot of credibility in that conference station felt up i admire apples consistent stance on privacy. to be fair i think apple can do better as well for them i think we can all do better. i'll summarise by saying i'm happy that privacy is top of mind for consumers, for platforms and for our governments. because it is supremely important.— our governments. because it is supremely important. steve huffman, reddit founder _ supremely important. steve huffman, reddit founder and _ supremely important. steve huffman, reddit founder and ceo _ supremely important. steve huffman, reddit founder and ceo thank - supremely important. steve huffman, reddit founder and ceo thank you - reddit founder and ceo thank you very much indeed for your time today. it very much indeed for your time toda . . , , very much indeed for your time toda. i, ._ today. it was my pleasure i really en'o ed today. it was my pleasure i really enjoyed chatting _ today. it was my pleasure i really enjoyed chatting with _ today. it was my pleasure i really enjoyed chatting with you. - today. it was my pleasure i really enjoyed chatting with you. and i today. it was my pleasure i really - enjoyed chatting with you. and thank ou to our enjoyed chatting with you. and thank you to our studio _ enjoyed chatting with you. and thank you to our studio engineer _ enjoyed chatting with you. and thank you to our studio engineer and - enjoyed chatting with you. and thank you to our studio engineer and our i you to our studio engineer and our producer. at the same time next week. see you then. good evening. well, it's not been too bad a start to an easter holiday.
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don't take my word for it, however, take a look at this — not a cloud in the sky across western scotland throughout the afternoon. and in actualfact, it has been a different story, though, further east and eastern england. quite a lot of thick cloud and breeze coming in off the sea, so a coolish afternoon in suffolk, and you can see that quite clearly on the satellite picture. now, that breeze is going to continue to drag in some cloud off the north sea through this evening and overnight, so we will keep those temperatures above freezing, but where we've had the clear skies by day, that's going to allow those temperatures to fall away really quite sharply. so, we could see a frost first thing on saturday morning in sheltered rural areas. so, it's a chilly start, but it's a sparkling start once again. lovely sunshine expected away from the northwest of the great glen across scotland, northern england, wales, northern ireland in particular. and we start off with some cloud through the midlands and into the southeast. hopefully that should thin and break a little into the afternoon. cool once again along the north sea
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with eight or nine degrees, but we could see highs of 16 in scotland with that sunshine. high pressure will then start to drift its way southwest into sunday, allowing this weather front to start to arrive, and that's going to throw more cloud ahead of that rain as it comes in, so a day of changed fortunes. cloudy and wet in scotland and northern ireland, more sunshine and more warmth across england and wales, particularly eastern england, where we've had that nuisance nagging cloud. as we move out of sunday into monday, though, as those weather fronts sink south, they really are going to open the gate for that colder arctic air we've been telling you about. it's going to push its way steadily down on a brisk northerly wind. i really mean a marked contrast to the feel of the weather, unfortunately, for easter monday. so, easter monday is the really cool day. sunny spells and scattered showers, some of those showers turning wintry. hail, sleet and snow mixed in there as well. temperatures will struggle on the thermometer, and obviously, you've then got to add in the direction and at times
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the strength of that wind, so it's probably going to feel more like close to freezing. so, if you're going out for a brisk walk, you'll need a couple of extra layers. the cold theme continues into tuesday, slowly starting to get a little less cold on wednesday, but largely dry. take care.
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an attack on the us capitol in washington — the suspect and a police officer are dead, and a second officer is injured. a car ploughed through the barricade surrounding the building, striking the two officers. the driver then emerged with a knife. and it is with a very, very heavy heart that i announce one of our officers has succumbed to his injuries. for hours, washington remained tense and the capitol precinct was put in lockdown we'll bring you all the latest from the scene. also tonight: as the government considers vaccine passports for venues like pubs and theatres, dozens of mps pledge to oppose the idea. at least 50 people are killed after a train derails and crashes in a tunnel in taiwan.

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