this is bbc news, i'm tim willcox. the headlines at 8pm. fans demonstrate against proposed super league outside chelsea football ground — the club is now reportedly preparing documentation to request withdrawing from the league. the prime minister says plans for a european super league offend "the basic principles of competition" — and says he would use legislation to block it if needed. how can it be right to create a kind of cartel_ how can it be right to create a kind of cartel that stops clubs from competing against each other. the government announces a new anti—viral task force to find "promising new medicines" to treat covid by autumn. covid cases soar in india — delhi has almost no intensive care beds left — as the country records its highest daily death toll.

—— internationalaviation... as the jury deliberates its verdict in the trial of the former police officer accused of murdering george floyd — president biden weighs in, calling the evidence "overwhelming." good evening. 48 hours after its creation, — good evening. 48 hours after its creation, is_ good evening. 48 hours after its creation, is it now all over? the bbc has learned _ creation, is it now all over? tie bbc has learned that creation, is it now all over? tte bbc has learned that for english football club, chelsea, is preparing its withdrawal and manchester city

is pulling out of a controversial european super league. six premier league teams have signed up as members of the super league. the plans by 12 wealthy clubs from spain, and gwinnett and italy prompted a fierce backlash. earlier, the government said it was prepared to take "whatever action necessary" — including law changes — to stop the plan. we've also heard in the last few minutes that athletically madrid and barcelona have reportedly also withdrawn as well. these pictures show fans demonstrating outside chelsea's grandstand earlier. they are holding signs with words like greed, help, leeches. there was some stronger language on some of the other signs which we are not showing. chelsea playing brighton this evening. these fans are some of the first to hear that the club was pulling out of that european super league. you've got people jumping you've got peoplejumping up you've got people jumping up and down, shouting, it's really sort of a moment you've got to be there to

experience. a moment you've got to be there to experience-— a moment you've got to be there to exerience. ~ . , ., ., ., experience. was there a moment that sawned experience. was there a moment that spawned from — experience. was there a moment that spawned from the _ experience. was there a moment that spawned from the anger— experience. was there a moment that spawned from the anger of _ experience. was there a moment that spawned from the anger of the - spawned from the anger of the protest to the jubilation that you are... yes, i mean, someone was going around shouting you know, we are up, we are up, but you know to most they are trying to cheer us up a bit, it's getting around. they are actually out, so it was lifted a bit. mixed reactions, because i don't think_ mixed reactions, because i don't think we — mixed reactions, because i don't think we should've been in the first place _ think we should've been in the first place we — think we should've been in the first place. we have already shown that we are sold _ place. we have already shown that we are sold out, — place. we have already shown that we are sold out, and it's reversed because — are sold out, and it's reversed because of— are sold out, and it's reversed because of protest and the reaction of people. — because of protest and the reaction of people, football people have all said he _ of people, football people have all said no. collectively, no, football people. _ said no. collectively, no, football people, expires, players, managers, so i people, expires, players, managers, 50 i don't_ people, expires, players, managers, so i don't think they expected the reaction _ so i don't think they expected the reaction they got when they announced it. english football is 'ust announced it. english football is just a _ announced it. english football is just a different kettle of fish. the italians _ just a different kettle of fish. the italians who instigated this, they haver“— italians who instigated this, they haven't got what we've got. i don't

mean _ haven't got what we've got. i don't mean that— haven't got what we've got. i don't mean that like you vented us, but they've _ mean that like you vented us, but they've got — mean that like you vented us, but they've got two or three clubs, and they've got two or three clubs, and the rest _ they've got two or three clubs, and the rest of— they've got two or three clubs, and the rest of them don't even matter. we have _ the rest of them don't even matter. we have got the stokes, the brightens, it does matter, we are all fans. — brightens, it does matter, we are all fans, everything matters. those are the views _ all fans, everything matters. those are the views of _ all fans, everything matters. those are the views of some _ all fans, everything matters. those are the views of some of— all fans, everything matters. those are the views of some of the - all fans, everything matters. those are the views of some of the fans. | are the views of some of the fans. our correspondent laura scott was also at the stadium. well, it's difficult to know how much was determined by this protest outside stamford bridge this evening. all we know at this stage is that chelsea have requested to withdraw from the competition. they are preparing documentation to do so. the numbers here at stamford bridge were estimated by police to be around about 1000. they have been here for the last few hours waving placards saying rap football, fans not customers, what about us? and in the last half an hour... this news that chelsea would like to withdraw from the super league commits hard to know whether that has filtered through to the fans here outside stamford bridge ahead of kick off tonight between chelsea and brighton. but this was, you know,

quite a large protest. it caused a delay to the team arriving. there was a large police presence here, but soap and if it can development tonight of the news that —— significant velvet that they are requesting to withdraw from the european super league less than 48 hours after they proposal was announced.— hours after they proposal was announced. . ., ., ., announced. laura spot -- laura scott, announced. laura spot -- laura scott. let's— announced. laura spot -- laura scott, let's speak _ announced. laura spot -- laura scott, let's speak to _ announced. laura spot -- laura scott, let's speak to a _ announced. laura spot -- laura scott, let's speak to a football. scott, let's speak to a football finance specialist at liverpool. port we have heard in the last few minutes, they seem to be dropping like flies. is it all over, do you think visio certainly leaves the people who are in favour of the franchise league with a very difficultjob to do. what we have remaining is four clubs from the permit league who happen to be the four most profitable clubs in the history of primitive football. so their motivations have always been on the bottom line. chelsea manchester cities owners were more interested in earning trophies but also in having a better relationship with the fan base. you can see the

logic behind them pulling out. where this leaves the spanish clubs and italian clubs with no interest coming from germany and france not being interested either, it does appear to be a competition which won't actually have a huge amount of interest. ., ., a, . , interest. you mentioned manchester ci and interest. you mentioned manchester city and chelsea- _ interest. you mentioned manchester city and chelsea. they _ interest. you mentioned manchester city and chelsea. they are _ interest. you mentioned manchester city and chelsea. they are owned - interest. you mentioned manchester city and chelsea. they are owned by| city and chelsea. they are owned by oligarchs. so it's not as if they need to get these extra funds. absolutely. chelsea and manchester city have both racked up losses of over £100 million in the last season. they do have the benefit of having people to support them financially. therefore, the necessity of the additional monies which had been generated through the franchise league are far less significant to them. i think given the work that manchester city in particular has done in regenerating the east side of manchester, it would've been folly for the club to continue in this tournament when it is so clearly against the values and desires of the fan base. in

is so clearly against the values and desires of the fan base.— is so clearly against the values and desires of the fan base. in the past 24 hours, despite _ desires of the fan base. in the past 24 hours, despite all _ desires of the fan base. in the past 24 hours, despite all the _ desires of the fan base. in the past 24 hours, despite all the art - desires of the fan base. in the past 24 hours, despite all the art rage, | 24 hours, despite all the art rage, it didn't look as if the owners of these clubs really care that much. but do you think fan pressure has had a lot to do with this? or do you think it is the litigation, the potential months, years of litigation that this super league might have encountered. don’t litigation that this super league might have encountered. don't think litiaation might have encountered. don't think litigation would've _ might have encountered. don't think litigation would've been _ might have encountered. don't think litigation would've been an - might have encountered. don't think litigation would've been an issue - litigation would've been an issue for chelsea or manchester city. what we saw last year in the case of the financial fairplay charges against manchester city that they were prepared to employ the best lawyers to defend their particular case at the time. i think this is more of an issue, as you set up the start, the owners have realised just how passionate fans are and just how important the idea of promotion relegation and merit is as part of english football culture in the same in germany. english football culture in the same in germany-— in germany. yes, we have the presence _ in germany. yes, we have the presence of — in germany. yes, we have the presence of rail— in germany. yes, we have the presence of rail madrid - in germany. yes, we have the presence of rail madrid saying j presence of rail madrid saying earlier on that this is the future. they have lost so much money because

of the pandemic and everything else, this guarantees the future of football. ., , ., , , football. no, it might perhaps guarantee _ football. no, it might perhaps guarantee the _ football. no, it might perhaps guarantee the two _ football. no, it might perhaps guarantee the two drove - football. no, it might perhaps guarantee the two drove rail l football. no, it might perhaps - guarantee the two drove rail madrid and barcelona, who if you look at their finances were very poor pre—pandemic, so to use coronavirus as a justification for the creation of this tournament is simply a smoke screen. they were trying to just be opportunistic in terms of generating money when they did need it. there is no doubt that barcelona and real madrid are magnificent football clubs from on the pitch, off the page, the way that they run their finances with the presidential approach which tends to result in populous policies being employed, simply doesn't work. i populous policies being employed, simply doesn't work.— simply doesn't work. i suppose it's defenders. — simply doesn't work. i suppose it's defenders. its _ simply doesn't work. i suppose it's defenders, its proposers _ simply doesn't work. i suppose it's defenders, its proposers would - simply doesn't work. i suppose it's| defenders, its proposers would say this follows the american model and the other argument is that, actually, football isn't attracting the young in that generational way they did before because they've got so many other competing things to

distract them now. the only way to keep these fans occupied is to watch the very best players in the world play. welcome you to see the very best players in the world play. they play in the premier league every single week, and they play in the champions league especially in the knockout stages, real madrid first —— versus liverpool last week and manchester city rippling against a german team were magnificent games of football. so we have also got the semi finals to look forward to which are equally exciting for me fan's perspective. there is no difference in terms of the teams which tend to get to the final stages of the champions league from those teams that are going to be in this franchise league. just a final question. _ be in this franchise league. just a final question. you _ be in this franchise league. just a final question. you are _ be in this franchise league. just a final question. you are finance i final question. you are finance specialist. in terms of revenue coming in from tv, syndication, streaming, do we know what those figures were and how deals have been approached?— approached? welcome of the present level of revenue _ approached? welcome of the present level of revenue for _ approached? welcome of the present level of revenue for the _ approached? welcome of the present level of revenue for the champions i level of revenue for the champions league is around about 2 billion

euros a year. the proposals were to increase that by at least 50%, but i think the main thing was going to be that clubs such as manchester united and real madrid would've been able to sell their own rights directly to their fan base for three of the group games. this was the real attraction to the family who want to monetise manchester united's huge fan base globally.— fan base globally. which fans recognised. _ fan base globally. which fans recognised, didn't _ fan base globally. which fans recognised, didn't they, - fan base globally. which fans| recognised, didn't they, when fan base globally. which fans - recognised, didn't they, when they took over. thank you very much indeed. the sport lawyer richard cramer said he thinks this could be the beginning of the end, for the super league. well, it's quite significant, obviously, this has been literally changing every half an hour since the announcement was made on sunday. the backlash has been enormous. i did predict that the model was potentially vulnerable with one of the clubs potentially pulling out. that looks like it's

happened with chelsea. that to me sounds like it's the beginning of the end, and this could be a super league which was perhapsjust in name only for perhaps no more than 72 hours because my prediction is because of the legal complexities, the backlash from fans, the political environment that were living in, the government don't like it, the fans don't like it. we could end up almost with no clubs left or maybe just the spanish clubs, but without the full six english clubs, and i don't think anybody would want to step into chelsea's position, so it could well be this whole thing collapses very quickly now. the government is setting up an "anti—viral task force" to help identify new medicines to tackle coronavirus. the prime minister says progress is being made in reducing infections and vaccinating more people,

but is warning there could be another "wave" of cases "at some time this year". speaking at a downing st press conference borisjohnson said new anti—viral treatments could be as ready as early as autumn and would be a part of the uk's defence on tackling covid. we don't yet know the full extent of the protection that we're building up, the exact strength of our defences. and as we look at what's happening in other countries with cases now at record numbers around the world, we cannot delude ourselves that covid has gone away. i see nothing in the data now that makes me think we are going to have to deviate in any way from the road map, cautious but irreversible, that we have set out. but the majority of scientific opinion in this country is still firmly of the view that there will be another wave of covid at some stage this year.

and so we must, as far as possible, learn to live with this disease as we live with other diseases. we will be bolstering our defences with boosterjabs this autumn, we will be continuing with testing and today, i want to announce what we hope will be of further line of medical defence. the united kingdom was the first country in the world to pioneer dexamethasone which has saved 8 million lives globally, and today, we are creating a new anti—viral task force to search for the most promising new medicines and support their development through clinical trials with the aim of making them safely and rapidly available as early as the autumn. prime minister at the downing street press conference. let's speak to

professor peter at imperial college london. the antiviral task force in a moment, ifi london. the antiviral task force in a moment, if i may, but on the warnings of the third wave, are we talking about a third wave potentially, worryingly may be involving the indian variant or a third wave of what we've been experiencing thus far? i third wave of what we've been experiencing thus far?- third wave of what we've been experiencing thus far? i think we are all expecting _ experiencing thus far? i think we are all expecting that _ experiencing thus far? i think we are all expecting that if - experiencing thus far? i think we are all expecting that if there - experiencing thus far? i think we are all expecting that if there is i are all expecting that if there is another wave, are all expecting that if there is anotherwave, it are all expecting that if there is another wave, it could well be one of these variance, whether it is from south america, india, you know, a home—grown variant, because these variance are rising all the time, every time the virus replicates, it generates new variance. some of those are more successful, and if they are more transmissible, they can outcompete other variants, they will become the dominant ones. fin will become the dominant ones. on the will become the dominant ones. 0n the indian variant, there has been some criticism that we didn't impose those measures on travel for india, for example, because we have known about this, haven't we, since february. about this, haven't we, since february-— about this, haven't we, since februa . , ., , ., february. yes, the trouble with that

variant is that _ february. yes, the trouble with that variant is that we _ february. yes, the trouble with that variant is that we have _ february. yes, the trouble with that variant is that we have relatively - variant is that we have relatively little solid information about the severity and its ability to evade vaccines. some of the other variants, we have got a lot of very good high—quality information which allows us to really put numbers on the size of the threat that it poses. at the moment, we are not really quite so sure just how bad the indian variant would be if it arrived in this country in quantity. i think we have 120 cases. we have thereabouts at the moment. yes. i think we have 120 cases. we have thereabouts at the moment. yes, and it seems that — thereabouts at the moment. yes, and it seems that the _ thereabouts at the moment. yes, and it seems that the number _ thereabouts at the moment. yes, and it seems that the number of - thereabouts at the moment. yes, and it seems that the number of cases - thereabouts at the moment. yes, and it seems that the number of cases is i it seems that the number of cases is going down, and it may be that it is being outcompeted by the kent variant that we have. the science is not quite certain in terms of where that indian variant is.— that indian variant is. onto the antiviral task _ that indian variant is. onto the antiviral task force. _ that indian variant is. onto the antiviral task force. how - that indian variant is. onto the - antiviral task force. how effective, how widespread and just how would that be rolled out as you understand

it's? ~ “ �* , that be rolled out as you understand it's? ~ ~ �* , , it's? well, i think it's been remarkable _ it's? well, i think it's been remarkable how _ it's? well, i think it's been remarkable how effective i it's? well, i think it's been - remarkable how effective vaccines have been. you know, almost all, well, many of the vaccines that have been developed have very highly protective immune responses that seem to protect against severe disease, even those caused by most other variants. so this is a remarkable success, and it seems that what the government is doing now is trying to replicate the success of the vaccine task force by setting up an antiviral therapeutic task force which will be in part focused, i guess, the department of antiviral drugs which so far have had relatively little place in the treatment of covid. there are two elements to these, one is the virus, the other is the way we respond to the other is the way we respond to the virus, in other words, this sort of immunological overreaction that

occurs in other people. most of the drugs that we have that work so far like the dexamethasone or the steroids which blocks, so these work by blocking the host immune response rather than by acting directly on the virus. so there is a sort of gap in the range of treatments which is the antivirals. and we have room dust severe, which has received a licence in the united states, but, actually, if you look at the trent —— clinical trials, they are pretty unconvincing that it is highly effective in most situations. and effective in most situations. and this could presumably help people who haven't been able to or don't want to have a vaccination.- who haven't been able to or don't want to have a vaccination. well, i think itjust _ want to have a vaccination. well, i think it just adds _ want to have a vaccination. well, i think itjust adds another - want to have a vaccination. well, i think itjust adds another string i want to have a vaccination. well, i think itjust adds another string to | think itjust adds another string to the bow in terms of how we can tackle these infections on the assumption that we will be seeing more of them in the future. but it

is very, very important that these drugs which are in development now, antiviral drugs, are put to full clinical trial and are proven to be beneficial before they are introduced in an untested way because once the virus has begun its replication, there is limited opportunity for antiviral drugs to have a major effect in these acute short—term infections like influenza or sars. now, they work best in a situation where you've got a lot of virus around for a long time, like hepatitis c or hiv, where there is a remarkable clinical benefit from antivirals. ~ ., , , ., antivirals. would this be done within the _ antivirals. would this be done within the community, - antivirals. would this be done within the community, so - antivirals. would this be done - within the community, so through gps or through centres, in other words, it would relieve any increased pressure on the nhs at a hospital level. , ,., pressure on the nhs at a hospital level. , . ., , , level. yes, so certainly the times when antivirals _ level. yes, so certainly the times when antivirals are _ level. yes, so certainly the times when antivirals are going - level. yes, so certainly the times when antivirals are going to - level. yes, so certainly the times

when antivirals are going to be i level. yes, so certainly the times i when antivirals are going to be most effective is if they are used very, very early in infection. they work reasonably well, for example, inhuman challenge trials where volunteers are infected with the virus. if you give them early on, then you can sometimes demonstrate an effect on stop if you wait until the inflammatory response that's developed, then they are relatively ineffective, but the later stages of disease, as a rule of thumb. so, you know, there may be a role, and the role would be in the treatment of very early disease, and that would be best delivered in the community. all right, 0k, professor, thank you very much indeed forjoining here on bbc news. while we were speaking to the professor, some breaking news coming through on the press association regarding the european super league. pa understands that edward has resigned as manchester united executive vice chairman. he is 49. he took the post at old

trafford in 2013, so he has been there for eight years, crucially, he played a key role in the now, well, faltering stuttering pa describes super league. it's understand that he will continue with his rolling united until the end of 2021. so, edward, the vice chairman of manchester, executive met vice chairman of manchester united has resigned at the club. he played a key role in the setting up of the super league, which already seems to have lost three or four clubs at least following outraged reaction from fans, also legal problems as well, and also threats from ua for an fifa, and indeed the football association to penalise any players who decided to go along with that european super league. that news just in from the press association. nicola sturgeon has confirmed the biggest changes to scotland's lockdown measures since they were introduced on boxing day last year.

the first minister said the scheduled unlocking would go ahead as planned, with hospitality venues, gyms and nonessential shops reopening from next monday. all travel restrictions will also be lifted. here the latest government covid figures show that ?there were 2,524 new coronavirus infections recorded in the latest 24—hour period — which means that on average the number of new cases reported per day in the last week is 2,476. the latest daily figure for the number of people across the uk in hospital with coronavirus is just under two thousand. 33 deaths were reported, that's people who died within 28 days of a positive covid—19 test. on average in the past week, 26 deaths were announced every day. the total number of deaths so far

across the uk is 127,307. as for the continuing vaccination programme, 99,672 people have had theirfirst dose of a covid—19 vaccine in the latest 24 hour period, taking the overall number of people who've had their firstjab tojust over 33 million. the number of people who've had their second dose in the latest 24 hour period is just under 274 thousand and that takes the overall number of people who've had both jabs to a little under ten and a half million people. the defence minister johnny mercer has resigned from government this evening. 0ur political correspondent johnathan blake is in westminster he has been grumbling and unhappy for a long time. just talk us

through wyatt finally reached this point tonight. it through wyatt finally reached this point tonight-— point tonight. it seems he's been unha-- point tonight. it seems he's been unhappy and _ point tonight. it seems he's been unhappy and frustrated _ point tonight. it seems he's been unhappy and frustrated for i point tonight. it seems he's been unhappy and frustrated for some | unhappy and frustrated for some time, there has been speculation all day thatjohnny was about to resign. he has, as you say, let the government this evening. the first confirmation we had of this was a statement from downing street an hour or so ago saying the prime minister had accepted his resignation and thanked him for his service as a government minister since 2019. very shortly after that, johnny mercer himself tweeted to say that he had been relieved of his responsibilities, phrasing suggesting that he had been sacked. he also posted a letter of resignation that he had written and given to the prime minister in which he had some very strong criticism for the government's approach to veterans and specifically the issue of veterans who have served in northern ireland and their protection or lack of against

investigations and the pursuit of legal cases to prosecute them potentially for crimes committed during the troubles many years ago. just to review some of whatjohnny mercer had to say in that letter, he said that the government had abandoned people in a way that he simply couldn't reconcile, and said that veterans were being sectioned, drinking themselves to death and dying well before their time, simply because the uk government cannot find the moral strength or courage to find a political solution to stop what he described as these appalling injustices. so it is this issue of veterans who served in northern ireland, british armed forces veterans who served in northern ireland being prosecuted for crimes they may or may not have committed during their service. there has been a frustration for some time. a government's lack of action there, plans were announced last year to only prosecute the most pressing cases where there was new and compelling evidence, but those plans

have seemingly stalled and no legislation has been forthcoming. that is the issue thatjohnny mercer himself, an army veteran, he is clearly frustrated with and it has led to his departure from government tonight. led to his departure from government toniaht. , ., . . led to his departure from government toniht. . ., . . �* . ~' led to his departure from government toniuht. . ., . . �* . ~' . tonight. jonathan blake at westminster _ tonight. jonathan blake at westminster tonight, i tonight. jonathan blake at. westminster tonight, thank tonight. jonathan blake at i westminster tonight, thank you. smart motorways — they use technology to improve the flow of traffic — changing speed limits and in some cases using the hard shoulder as another lane. the technology has been installed in four areas in southern england — with plans to extend it across the rest of the smart network by september next year. but today the government said no more smart motorways will open without additional safety measures in place. campaigners have been questioning their safety. here's our transport correspondent, caroline davies. i was with jason and we were at a coffee shop in town, it was a friday. we were sat chatting, and at eight o'clock he got up to leave, kissed me goodbye, told me he loved me and apparently he was dead by 8:15. claire's husband jason died

on his drive to work injune 2019, hit by a lorry on a smart motorway with no hard shoulder. since then, she has campaigned against them. common sense tells you a smart motorway with no hard shoulder cannot be safer. the hard shoulder is the only safety feature on a very dangerous environment and if you remove it, you don't make it safer. but more motorways without a hard shoulder are being built. this is one stretch of road currently being converted into a smart motorway, meaning all of the lanes here, including the one that used to be the hard shoulder will be used for traffic. converting the hard shoulder is intended to ease congestion without having to use more land. cameras should spot when a vehicle stops in a lane and then close it with a red cross illuminated above. in 2019, 15 people died on smart motorways with no hard shoulder, for more than the year before. the department for transport says they are still safer than conventional motorways and that they are rolling out new technology to spot

when a vehicle breaks down even faster. this woman's son died on a smart motorway in 2018, he was eight, and she has been working on new plans and is pleased there is in progress. right now, but i do also appreciate that this is a continuous process and this will have to be reviewed continuously as well, so i don't think it works right now. but motorways without a hard shoulder remain controversial and the government's promise of new tech sounds old tucson. and the government's promise of new tech sounds old to some. in 2016, we were assured by highways in england and the department for transport that the roll—out of future smart motorways from 2016 would not take place unless the technology was there, so on that basis, this is five years late rather than being brought forward by a year. mps are due to look at these types of motorways in the next few months to see how safe and smart they are. caroline davies, bbc news.

for more on this, let's speak to claire who was involved in that report. her husband, jason, was killed in an accident on the hard shoulder of the motorway injune of 2019. she's been campaigning for improvement in these so—called smart motorways ever since. thank you for joining us. how pleased are you with these announcements today? hat these announcements today? not remotel . these announcements today? not remotely- as _ these announcements today? tirrt remotely. as hugh said, this is old news. 99% of what was announced today was used in the stock take review last year, but even then, it was not new. it was promised under pressure byjim 0'sullivan in front of parliamentary select committees the year before, and in 2016. so these are just the same old promises. they keep presenting these at new measures. look what we are going to do, look what we are going to do. and they think we're stupid, they think we will forget after a few years and they can just them

again. it'sjust a few years and they can just them again. it's just a waste of everyone's's time and money and effort because people are dying in the meantimejust effort because people are dying in the meantime just in this area, three people have died on the m1, all lanes running in the last month and a bit. sass all lanes running in the last month and a bit. �* , all lanes running in the last month and a bit. . , , ., ., and a bit. as i understand, grant chas and a bit. as i understand, grant chaps said _ and a bit. as i understand, grant chaps said they _ and a bit. as i understand, grant chaps said they were _ and a bit. as i understand, grant chaps said they were speeding . and a bit. as i understand, grant| chaps said they were speeding up and a bit. as i understand, grant i chaps said they were speeding up the programme of retrofitting these stopped vehicle detection systems, the spd systems. if they are going to roll those out more quickly, then thatis to roll those out more quickly, then that is better news, isn't it? it is that is better news, isn't it? it is a minor improvement, _ that is better news, isn't it? it 3 a minor improvement, but we shouldn't have these roads to start with. they should never, we were promised, if you can search hard enough and find any text or bump on smart motorways, because they kept it quiet, because he can't object to what you don't know about, than they make out that the spd, the cctv cameras are all there and all worked perfectly, when in actualfact,

under duress at the inquest after inquest into each and every death, as they happen, highways england are being forced to admit that the cameras aren't monitored, they are barely monitored at all because the control room operators are being timed on menial tasks. they don't get to watch the ct tv screens. spd doesn't even work, never mind fitted. what should've been able to pick up on the whole motorway stops when they can at least close off all lanes when they need to, even that didn't work, when jason lanes when they need to, even that didn't work, whenjason and alexandru were dead on the roads, even then, it relied on members of the public phoning in and getting the public phoning in and getting the road closed. so, none of these measures worked, and that is what they tell us offsets the danger of them removing the hard shoulder. the corner forjason's inquest said that the lack of the hard shoulder has contributed to his death. did he make any recommendations at the time which haven't been followed up? trio.

which haven't been followed up? no, no. he which haven't been followed up? no, n0- he said — which haven't been followed up? no, n0- he said he _ which haven't been followed up? tic, no. he said he was going to file a regulation 28 fear of future deaths and he has done that. that means that highways england has to respond within a certain time frame to say what they are going to do. they are being slapped with loads of regulation 28th send a just copy and paste. theyjust copy and paste and change the name to that month's victim. it's... it's an inadequate system, but the corner did what was within his powers. there are other corners that are doing the same you know, referring highways england for corporate manslaughter, because i am also pushing for the police to investigate highways england for corporate manslaughter, but they are very, very reticent to do it. i am having tojust, very, very reticent to do it. i am having to just, you very, very reticent to do it. i am having tojust, you know, constantly stay on their case and ask for updates, and they have eventually agreed that they need to investigate, whether to investigate. 0n the safety of smart motorways,

because grant chaps was suggesting that casualty figures would suggest that casualty figures would suggest that smart motorways may overall be safer than normal motorways. do you accept that? no, because it's totally disingenuous. that is a sleight—of—hand. it's very carefully worded. how can a smart motorway be safer when you are 216% more likely to have a crash in a live lane on a smart motorway. how can the same two stats be correct on the same one thing? it's alljust stats be correct on the same one thing? it's all just sleight—of—hand and thing? it's alljust sleight—of—hand and smoke and mirrors. they use the figures for incidents in a hard shoulder to offset it. there isn't a hard shoulder on a smart motorway, so you shouldn't be using that figure. it's all very, very carefully fudged. it's done that to try to make it look like we are

hysterical grieving relatives that are not correct and there is no basis to what we are saying, but in independent reports that you are 216% more likely to have an incident in a live lane. 216% more likely to have an incident in a live lane-— in a live lane. ok, claire, your husband _ in a live lane. ok, claire, your husband was _ in a live lane. ok, claire, your husband was killed _ in a live lane. ok, claire, your husband was killed in - in a live lane. ok, claire, your husband was killed in an i in a live lane. ok, claire, your. husband was killed in an accident in a live lane. ok, claire, your- husband was killed in an accident on the hard childrenjune of 2019, think of her much indeed forjoining us. that is that the jury in the murder trial of derek sharp and who's been on trial for the trial of derek sharp and who's been on trialfor the murder of trial of derek sharp and who's been on trial for the murder of george floyd has reached a verdict. we don't know —— chauvin. but we were told that when the jury did reach a verdict we would be given an hour or two hours notice before the verdict was read out in court. just to warn you, just to alert you to the fact

that the jury has reached a verdict in the murder trial of derek chauvin. the city of minneapolis very much in a state of security lockdown at the moment. america breaks, the whole country braised and fort it there's verdict in this former police officer who was filmed by passersby kneeling on george floyd snack for nine minutes, 29. derek chauvin charge and on trial for several counts including that murder and manslaughter. we understand that thejury murder and manslaughter. we understand that the jury in that trial has now reached a verdict and we will be getting, going back to minneapolis as soon and that verdict is read in court. whilst we wait for that lets her catch up with some weather. hello there. more cloud in the forecast tonight across a good part of england and wales. and that means it's not going to be quite as chilly as recent nights, hopefully many of you will

avoid a frost. it's mainly due to this weather front here, producing some patchy rain and drizzle for parts of northern england, eventually north midlands and north wales. still some clear skies in the south, so frost not out of the question. more likely to see a frost, though, across parts of scotland and northern ireland, where clearer skies and colder air will be moving in through the evening. it does mean, though, much more sunshine around tomorrow for scotland and northern ireland, light winds, it will warm up quite nicely. a colder day for england and wales. the cloud, though, pushing southwards, taking away the early sunshine across some southern areas, reintroducing it through the afternoon through much of northern england, parts of the midlands and east anglia. a few showers possible with it, most likely to be towards parts of southwest wales and southwest england. and more of a breeze through england and wales coming in from the northeast, means those north seas coasts chilly once again, back down to around 8—9 celsius for some. highest temperatures on the afternoon toward cornwall, 15—17 the high. bye for now.

hello this is bbc news. the headlines. as fans voice their protests against the proposed european super league — it's understood that chelsea and manchester city are pulling out of the controversial new group earlier today the prime minister said the plans offend "the basic principles of competition" — and he would use legislation to block it if needed. how can it be right to have a situation in which ukrainian cartel that stops clubs competing against each other and playing against each other? the government announces a new antiviral taskforce to find "promising new medicines" to treat covid by autumn covid cases soar in india — delhi has almost no free intensive care beds left — as the country records its highest daily death toll. international aviation and shipping are included in new targets to radically cut the uk's carbon emissions

as the jury deliberates its verdict in the trial no more smart motorways without howard childers will be able to open in england without additional safety measures in place. still in england without additional safety measures in place.— measures in place. still no word on the verdict — measures in place. still no word on the verdict from _ measures in place. still no word on the verdict from the _ measures in place. still no word on the verdict from the jury _ measures in place. still no word on the verdict from the jury in - measures in place. still no word on the verdict from the jury in the i the verdict from the jury in the derek chauvin trial. we will keep you posted on that. plans for a football european super league a plan to now be in disarray after the english football clubs chelsea and manchester city said that they were planning to withdraw. reports from spain suggest that barcelona and madrid are pulling out 48 hours after the lease creation was announced. the chairman of manchester united or executive vice chairman has resigned. he was a proponent, the 12 wealthy teams from england and spain and italy to form a super league prompted a fierce

backlash from fans and governments. let's have a look at this brief statement from the president of barcelona football club. the european football expert joins us the european football expertjoins us now. hello. it's all falling apart, isn't it?— us now. hello. it's all falling apart, isn't it? us now. hello. it's all falling aart, isn't it? , , apart, isn't it? yes, basically. the small answer _ apart, isn't it? yes, basically. the small answer to _ apart, isn't it? yes, basically. the small answer to that. _ apart, isn't it? yes, basically. the small answer to that. my - small answer to that. my understanding is that the 12 members are meeting right now. i know that the rumour was that barcelona real madrid was going to palau. it may be a collective thing eventually, i spoke into barcelona and real madrid telling me they don't expect news just yet but everything is very fluid, the words that were used in the case of barcelona. as you said, for about two hours ago they said

that yeah, we were part of this but in the but was as you have mentioned that it will have to go through the assembly. which is a selection of season—ticket holders. normally when a board want something to go through the assembly they get it through. but i think they find an excuse when eventually this collapses. which is what i think we all expect. this was to save the — what i think we all expect. this was to save the future _ what i think we all expect. this was to save the future of _ what i think we all expect. this was to save the future of football, i what i think we all expect. this was to save the future of football, this i to save the future of football, this was the only way football was gonna survive for the next 20 years. i survive for the next 20 years. i think it was an analysis based on information, on a lot of information but in seed of relationship to fans. you see the fence with england always be perhaps that will protest for things like this. and it has helped because the noise on social media. forthem helped because the noise on social media. for them you don't when on a pr campaign an hour and half television last night he spoken and now when he talks of buyer munich

will eventually join now when he talks of buyer munich will eventuallyjoin and people don't want tojoin, will eventuallyjoin and people don't want to join, that's fine. even at the end of the programme last night he was saying well, we tried this season but we would have an agreement. maybe next season. and actually, it may not happen. so i don't think he had the, everything you need to get this through including the guaranteed money. but and i know that it's too much noise now and people may not want to hear this a lot of the things that he analysed and looked at and the founding members looked at their right. less young people are watching football. less money is coming through television rights. things are changing, football culture is changing. i think they have the wrong solution for it though. it have the wrong solution for it thou . h. ., , have the wrong solution for it thou~h. ., , have the wrong solution for it thouh. .,, ., , , though. it was really interesting resident when _ though. it was really interesting resident when you _ though. it was really interesting resident when you said - though. it was really interesting resident when you said young i though. it was really interesting i resident when you said young people have more distractions for the but you've got to give them the best. but of course what you don't get is that drama the... one of those fantastic clubs having a terrible match. and losing to a much lesser competitor?— competitor? yeah but you'll agree with me that _

competitor? yeah but you'll agree with me that that's _ competitor? yeah but you'll agree with me that that's happening i competitor? yeah but you'll agree| with me that that's happening less and less. giant killers, when was the last time lester life format five years ago. it was a bit of an accident in the primarily. generally barcelona athletic though, yes there is a problem of lack of competition as it stands anyway. and a lot of the first group of the champions lays what happens before christmas it's not that exciting. the same clubs kinda go through. but by making the richer clubs richer, i don't think that's a solution. it can make them just basically when things constantly. as you say competition is the key to the success of sport.— competition is the key to the success of sport. competition is the key to the success of sort. ~ ., ., , success of sport. who actually came u . success of sport. who actually came u- with success of sport. who actually came up with this — success of sport. who actually came up with this idea? _ success of sport. who actually came up with this idea? to _ success of sport. who actually came up with this idea? to we _ success of sport. who actually came up with this idea? to we know- success of sport. who actually came j up with this idea? to we know which club? who do _ up with this idea? to we know which club? who do you _ up with this idea? to we know which club? who do you think? _ up with this idea? to we know which club? who do you think? who i up with this idea? to we know which club? who do you think? who is i club? who do you think? who is actually the key are not pr campaign right now? until about a few hours ago. before that's obviously was happening everywhere. he had a vision a few years back based on a vision a few years back based on a vision that they former chairman

real madrid had in the 50s, he was part of the european that was so successful. florentino had this idea to bring brands into your clubs in the brain becomes bigger, brings more money so they can bring more brands, bigger players. and it worked. not in the titles but certainly in the money for some now he wants a new porsche and wants to take advantage of the difficulties of covid to actually get that way. it's just as i say, he didn't count on the fans and the media in all the clubs and managers and the players. 0k, fantastic to speak to you. you are watching bbc news. let's go back to our breaking story and that is that the jury in the trial of derek chauvin the former police officer on trial for the chauvin the former police officer on trialfor the murder, many charges against george floyd who died in may last year. the jury has reached a verdict. we were told that we would be given in an hour or maybe two hours warning that a verdict had

been reached before the verdict was read out in court. this is a case in which the whole of america, the whole of the world has been watching intently. as that child which three and half weeks without let's go to larry modelo who live from minneapolis. larry, an hour or two hours of this being read out in court, what are you hearing? brute hours of this being read out in court, what are you hearing? we are actuall 45 court, what are you hearing? we are actually 45 minutes _ court, what are you hearing? we are actually 45 minutes away _ court, what are you hearing? we are actually 45 minutes away from i court, what are you hearing? we are actually 45 minutes away from this l actually 45 minutes away from this being read out in court. the notices went out in the last few minutes that the jury has reached a verdict and they will be reading it out in open court. this is about 11 maybe 12 hours of deliberations in this case. so it's quite fast compared to other times itjuries have had to reach a verdict in complicated cases where there are multiple charges. the last time we saw this fast return of the jury was in 2019, a black policeman was accused of similar charges for shooting a white woman. he was found guilty of two of the three charges will top he was

not found guilty of second—degree murder but he was found guilty of second—degree manslaughter and third—degree murder. we do not what know what is happening in this case but it is much faster for them i would anticipate considering this is very diversejury, would anticipate considering this is very diverse jury, there were seven men, seven women, five meant to black men here, one black woman, a multiracial woman. this is a very quick response from the jury. brute quick response from the “my. we don't quick response from the jury. we don't know if these reach unanimous verdicts on all of the charges. because there are several charges, aren't there? we because there are several charges, aren't there?— because there are several charges, aren'tthere? ., ., ,, ., ., aren't there? we do not know. i have to say that — aren't there? we do not know. i have to say that from _ aren't there? we do not know. i have to say that from the _ aren't there? we do not know. i have to say that from the outset. - aren't there? we do not know. i have to say that from the outset. and i to say that from the outset. and qualify it by saying the fact that they say in a verdict is to be it means they probably have a unanimous verdict. 0therwise means they probably have a unanimous verdict. otherwise and we will have to wait and find out what is right out in court, it could be a hung jury. they might be unanimous on one charge and not another. there is precedent for the jury to find the defendant guilty of one charge of the other two to be a banded. either return later or abandon... i’m

the other two to be a banded. either return later or abandon. . ._ return later or abandon... i'm going to stop you — return later or abandon... i'm going to stop you there — return later or abandon... i'm going to stop you there because _ return later or abandon... i'm going to stop you there because we i return later or abandon... i'm going to stop you there because we are i return later or abandon... i'm going l to stop you there because we are now going across to my colleagues katty and christian who are picking up this news on bbc news now. hello and welcome to bbc news and special coverage of the trial of derek chauvin. the police officer accused of killing george floyd last year. we are expecting a verdict to be announced soon and will bring you live coverage as that happens. the trial of course being seen as a pivotal moment in us race relations. and in policing two. derek chauvin is charged with second—degree unintentional murder, third—degree murder and manslaughter. unintentional murder, third—degree murderand manslaughter. he unintentional murder, third—degree murder and manslaughter. he faces up to 40 years in prison if convicted of the most serious charge,

second—degree murder. a conviction on any of the counts against him will require thejury on any of the counts against him will require the jury to return a unanimous verdict.— will require the jury to return a unanimous verdict. yes, security has been significantly _ unanimous verdict. yes, security has been significantly increased - unanimous verdict. yes, security has been significantly increased around i been significantly increased around the court building in minneapolis as the court building in minneapolis as the verdict is awaited. 0n the court building in minneapolis as the verdict is awaited. on tuesday presidentjoe biden said that he is praying for the right verdict in the trial. the president said he believed the evidence is overwhelming. here is all we received from the minneapolis courtroom that says that there will be, the verdict has been reach and will be read in open court between 330 and 4pm local time. that's minneapolis time. that is in about 45 minutes' time, that starts. let's go outside the court now. security of course as we said stepped up, waiting for this verdict. what are people there in minneapolis saying about the fact that it took the jury only nine hours of deliberations to reach this verdict? it was quick, was in it what we reading into that?

it was quite quick, about 11 hours coming _ it was quite quick, about 11 hours coming into— it was quite quick, about 11 hours coming into the 12 hours of deliberation. and i will hear the verdict — deliberation. and i will hear the verdict which will be read out in 'ust verdict which will be read out in just about — verdict which will be read out in just about 40 forte minutes from now _ just about 40 forte minutes from now. surprising quickly gathering around _ now. surprising quickly gathering around the courthouse was up in about— around the courthouse was up in about 45— around the courthouse was up in about 45 minutes at the trial began you see _ about 45 minutes at the trial began you see on — about 45 minutes at the trial began you see on the chain link fencing behind _ you see on the chain link fencing behind and — you see on the chain link fencing behind and already there are bullhorns, people with posters gathering around here and on the other— gathering around here and on the other side — gathering around here and on the other side of the court i have seen a few— other side of the court i have seen a few black— other side of the court i have seen a few black lives matter flags fiying~ — a few black lives matter flags flying. it's quickly going to gather and also — flying. it's quickly going to gather and also george floyd... the fact that is— and also george floyd... the fact that is coming down so quickly reminds— that is coming down so quickly reminds us i was telling you yesterday katty, the last time we had a _ yesterday katty, the last time we had a verdict about 11 hours was in the case _ had a verdict about 11 hours was in the case of— had a verdict about 11 hours was in the case of the man accused of shooting — the case of the man accused of shooting a _ the case of the man accused of shooting a white woman and he was found _ shooting a white woman and he was found guilty on two of the three charges — found guilty on two of the three charges. they did not find him guilty— charges. they did not find him guilty of— charges. they did not find him guilty of second—degree murder which is the _ guilty of second—degree murder which is the most _ guilty of second—degree murder which is the most serious charge. it carries— is the most serious charge. it carries a _ is the most serious charge. it carries a sentence of 40 years. larry. — carries a sentence of 40 years. larry. if — carries a sentence of 40 years. larry, if they had not been unanimous presumably thejury larry, if they had not been unanimous presumably the jury would have carried on deliberating for

longer because they are urged by the judge to reach a unanimous conclusion.— judge to reach a unanimous conclusion. . , ., judge to reach a unanimous conclusion. . , . ., conclusion. that is wanting we are readin: conclusion. that is wanting we are reading into _ conclusion. that is wanting we are reading into the _ conclusion. that is wanting we are reading into the fact _ conclusion. that is wanting we are reading into the fact that - conclusion. that is wanting we are reading into the fact that they i conclusion. that is wanting we are reading into the fact that they are | reading into the fact that they are saying _ reading into the fact that they are saying not — reading into the fact that they are saying not say a verdict is been ready— saying not say a verdict is been ready and — saying not say a verdict is been ready and read it open court. if they— ready and read it open court. if they had — ready and read it open court. if they had not agreed on three charges that will— they had not agreed on three charges that will go— they had not agreed on three charges that will go on and on. the fact that— that will go on and on. the fact that this — that will go on and on. the fact that this is _ that will go on and on. the fact that this is already happening perhaps— that this is already happening perhaps indicates that in all those three _ perhaps indicates that in all those three charges they have arrived at a unanimous— three charges they have arrived at a unanimous verdict and have a unanimous verdict and have a unanimous verdict and have a unanimous verdict pretty quickly. much— unanimous verdict pretty quickly. much faster than was expected. the judge _ much faster than was expected. the judge told _ much faster than was expected. the judge told them plan for longer prepare — judge told them plan for longer prepare for short. and he said it ntav— prepare for short. and he said it may have — prepare for short. and he said it may have taken them an hour or a week _ may have taken them an hour or a week. �* , may have taken them an hour or a week. . , , . ., may have taken them an hour or a week. . , , .., ., may have taken them an hour or a week. , , .., ., , week. any instruction to the “my was not the fi week. any instruction to the “my was not the judge i week. any instruction to the “my was not the judge said i week. any instruction to the “my was not the judge said that i week. any instruction to the jury was not the judge said that they | week. any instruction to the jury i was not the judge said that they had to ignore everything that was going on around the case. everything that was being said about the trial in the country. of course that's very difficult for top and the jurors will know that this is so important, such an important verdict for so many people they are in the united states. almost a seminal moment. it

is in absolutely seminal moment. at the beginning the reverend al sharpton said america itself is on triai~ _ sharpton said america itself is on triai~ they— sharpton said america itself is on trial. they understand the consequences of their verdict even though— consequences of their verdict even though the judge specifically told them _ though the judge specifically told them that put aside your own feelings— them that put aside your own feelings about this, put aside your own biases, conscious and unconscious and focus purely on the evidence _ unconscious and focus purely on the evidence you saw in court. they had all the _ evidence you saw in court. they had all the exhibit it's available to them — all the exhibit it's available to them on _ all the exhibit it's available to them on the computer, charts, graphs. — them on the computer, charts, graphs. ail— them on the computer, charts, graphs, all the reports have been available — graphs, all the reports have been available to them and they were told to focus _ available to them and they were told to focus only on that. don't not use the benefit — to focus only on that. don't not use the benefit of hindsight because now we don't _ the benefit of hindsight because now we don't know whether george was a threat _ we don't know whether george was a threat or— we don't know whether george was a threat or not don't think of that. thini

given an hours warning. what is going on during that hour. they are in minneapolis? 50 going on during that hour. they are in minneapolis?— in minneapolis? so what is essentially _ in minneapolis? so what is essentially going - in minneapolis? so what is essentially going to - in minneapolis? so what is| essentially going to happen in minneapolis? so what is - essentially going to happen between now and _ essentially going to happen between now and then as the jury is making their— now and then as the jury is making their way— now and then as the jury is making their way back to the court. the family— their way back to the court. the family are — their way back to the court. the family are being allowed back in. essentially it's going to be just derek— essentially it's going to be just derek chauvin and one family member and then— derek chauvin and one family member and then it's _ derek chauvin and one family member and then it's going to be one of the family— and then it's going to be one of the family member of the floyd side of the case _ family member of the floyd side of the case. and then the attorneys are coming _ the case. and then the attorneys are coming back— the case. and then the attorneys are coming back into court, the pool reporters— coming back into court, the pool reporters are coming in and that's pretty— reporters are coming in and that's pretty much it. the entire court has held a _ pretty much it. the entire court has held a very— pretty much it. the entire court has held a very small number of people because _ held a very small number of people because of— held a very small number of people because of covid. and so we will not -et because of covid. and so we will not get to— because of covid. and so we will not get to see _ because of covid. and so we will not get to see the jury we will get to see the — get to see the jury we will get to see the judge and the attorneys and we will— see the judge and the attorneys and we will hear that verdict. but also outside _ we will hear that verdict. but also outside here it's quickly developing into a _ outside here it's quickly developing into a spectacle with a crowd gathering. every media outlet from every _ gathering. every media outlet from every corner of the world reporting on this _ every corner of the world reporting on this. , ., every corner of the world reporting on this. , . ., every corner of the world reporting on this. ,~ ., ., , ., ., on this. ryan through for us again the charges _ on this. ryan through for us again the charges and _ on this. ryan through for us again the charges and the _ on this. ryan through for us again the charges and the maximum i the charges and the maximum sentences attached to those charges. just a reminder of fuse orjoining us now. bill

just a reminder of fuse or 'oining us now. �* ., , , ~' us now. all right katty, derek chauvin is _ us now. all right katty, derek chauvin is facing _ us now. all right katty, derek chauvin is facing three - us now. all right katty, derek i chauvin is facing three charges. the most _ chauvin is facing three charges. the most serious of them is second—degree, unintentional murder. this carries _ second—degree, unintentional murder. this carries a _ second—degree, unintentional murder. this carries a maximum sentence of 40 years _ this carries a maximum sentence of 40 years to— this carries a maximum sentence of 40 years. to convict them of this the jury— 40 years. to convict them of this the jury will— 40 years. to convict them of this the jury will have had to be convinced that he or intended to commit — convinced that he or intended to commit a — convinced that he or intended to commit a felony while doing this and it lead _ commit a felony while doing this and it lead to _ commit a felony while doing this and it lead to substantial bodily harm. the prosecution does not need to prove _ the prosecution does not need to prove that— the prosecution does not need to prove that this was the main cause of death— prove that this was the main cause of death they need to prove that derek— of death they need to prove that derek chauvin kneeling on george floyd _ derek chauvin kneeling on george floyd body was a substantial cause of his _ floyd body was a substantial cause of his death. the second charge he is facing _ of his death. the second charge he is facing is — of his death. the second charge he is facing is third—degree murder which _ is facing is third—degree murder which is — is facing is third—degree murder which is a — is facing is third—degree murder which is a slightly lesser charge. it which is a slightly lesser charge. it has _ which is a slightly lesser charge. it has a — which is a slightly lesser charge. it has a maximum sentence of 25 years _ it has a maximum sentence of 25 years the — it has a maximum sentence of 25 years. the third charge is that of the second — years. the third charge is that of the second degree manslaughter for top essentially that derek chauvin was negligent when he arrested george — was negligent when he arrested george floyd last year and that carries— george floyd last year and that carries a — george floyd last year and that carries a maximum sentence of ten years _ carries a maximum sentence of ten years. altogether 75 years was up if he was _ years. altogether 75 years was up if he was to— years. altogether 75 years was up if he was to be found guilty of them and to— he was to be found guilty of them and to be — he was to be found guilty of them and to be convicted he is a first-time _ and to be convicted he is a first—time offender there will be

compared sentences so he will not serve _ compared sentences so he will not serve 75 _ compared sentences so he will not serve 75 years. | compared sentences so he will not serve 75 years-— serve 75 years. i think everyone when they _ serve 75 years. i think everyone when they hear— serve 75 years. i think everyone when they hear a _ serve 75 years. i think everyone when they hear a verdict - serve 75 years. i think everyone when they hear a verdict like i serve 75 years. i think everyone i when they hear a verdict like this feels that adrenaline and puts themselves in the position of the defence team. the focus will turn on him now. throughout the case, he struck us as quite a calm, collected character. he's been taking his notes, sitting next to his lawyer eric nelson, there's not been much sign of any emotion from derek chauvin. ., , �* , sign of any emotion from derek chauvin. . , �* , ., ., chauvin. there hasn't been emotion from him. chauvin. there hasn't been emotion from him- they _ chauvin. there hasn't been emotion from him. they really _ chauvin. there hasn't been emotion from him. they really see _ chauvin. there hasn't been emotion from him. they really see he i chauvin. there hasn't been emotion from him. they really see he had i chauvin. there hasn't been emotion from him. they really see he had a| from him. they really see he had a mask— from him. they really see he had a mask on— from him. they really see he had a mask on except yesterday when eric neison— mask on except yesterday when eric nelson was making his closing argument. that was a first time the 'ury argument. that was a first time the jury actually got to see his expressionless face throughout closing — expressionless face throughout closing arguments of eric nelson which _ closing arguments of eric nelson which went into almost three hours. for the _ which went into almost three hours. for the rest— which went into almost three hours. for the rest of the time he just sat there _ for the rest of the time he just sat there quietly. 0ther for the rest of the time he just sat there quietly. other than that there was no _ there quietly. other than that there was no other family member, there was no other family member, there was a _ was no other family member, there was a seat — was no other family member, there was a seat allocated to a family member— was a seat allocated to a family member of the george floyd family and derek— member of the george floyd family and derek chauvin side. maybe three or five _ and derek chauvin side. maybe three or five times maximum there was somebody— or five times maximum there was somebody sitting in that seat. most

of the _ somebody sitting in that seat. most of the time there was nobody. and derek— of the time there was nobody. and derek chauvin sat there quietly taking — derek chauvin sat there quietly taking notes and conferring with his lawyers _ taking notes and conferring with his lawyers during sidebar. gk taking notes and conferring with his lawyers during sidebar.— lawyers during sidebar. ok larry, sta with lawyers during sidebar. ok larry, stay with ours. _ lawyers during sidebar. ok larry, stay with ours. we _ lawyers during sidebar. ok larry, stay with ours. we can _ lawyers during sidebar. ok larry, stay with ours. we can talk i lawyers during sidebar. 0k larry, stay with ours. we can talk now. lawyers during sidebar. 0k larry, | stay with ours. we can talk now to lawyers during sidebar. 0k larry, i stay with ours. we can talk now to a current glimmer doing a criminal defence attorney who joins us from new york. great to have you with us at this this moment. we are having special coverage of the derek chauvin trial because the verdict has been reached by thejury. it will be announced in minneapolis in the courtroom in about 35 minutes' time, we think. thejury making their way back to the courtroom. caroline, what do you make of the fact that the jury deliberated for only 11 hours before reaching their verdict? i only 11 hours before reaching their verdict? ., ., ,, only 11 hours before reaching their verdict? ., ., ~ �*, verdict? i have to say, i think it's a positive — verdict? i have to say, i think it's a positive indication _ verdict? i have to say, i think it's a positive indication that - verdict? i have to say, i think it's a positive indication that they - verdict? i have to say, i think it's| a positive indication that they may have come — a positive indication that they may have come to a decision of guilty on all counts — have come to a decision of guilty on all counts it— have come to a decision of guilty on all counts. it actually shocked me how soon — all counts. it actually shocked me how soon they have reach a verdict. iwas _ how soon they have reach a verdict. i was thinking that this was a very likely— i was thinking that this was a very likely candidate for a hung jury, honestly — likely candidate for a hung jury, honestly. the things you see most likely— honestly. the things you see most likely though situation is notes being — likely though situation is notes being passed back to the judge for

reading _ being passed back to the judge for reading back testimony and things like that— reading back testimony and things like that because there is obviously an indication that they can't come to a unanimous decision. but this means— to a unanimous decision. but this means that — to a unanimous decision. but this means that clearly, they have come to a unanimous decision. frankly, if you go— to a unanimous decision. frankly, if you go one — to a unanimous decision. frankly, if you go one of— to a unanimous decision. frankly, if you go one of two ways, obviously it's not _ you go one of two ways, obviously it's not a _ you go one of two ways, obviously it's not a hung jury. i think this nieans— it's not a hung jury. i think this means that _ it's not a hung jury. i think this means that they have found him guilty— means that they have found him guilty on — means that they have found him guilty on all charges. that is just my gut— guilty on all charges. that is just my gut instinct. i could be wrong but i _ my gut instinct. i could be wrong but i would — my gut instinct. i could be wrong but i would think that if they were splitting _ but i would think that if they were splitting up the charges remember, there _ splitting up the charges remember, there are _ splitting up the charges remember, there are three charges here. for example — there are three charges here. for example it— there are three charges here. for example if they wanted only to convict — example if they wanted only to convict on the manslaughter by finding — convict on the manslaughter by finding not guilty on the second degree — finding not guilty on the second degree and third degree, i would think— degree and third degree, i would think it _ degree and third degree, i would think it would take longer than theirs — think it would take longer than theirs to— think it would take longer than theirs to decide that.— think it would take longer than theirs to decide that. yeah, they reminded they _ theirs to decide that. yeah, they reminded they will _ theirs to decide that. yeah, they reminded they will know - theirs to decide that. yeah, they| reminded they will know whether theirs to decide that. yeah, they - reminded they will know whether you got is right and just over half i was tired when they come back into the courtroom. talk us through what the courtroom. talk us through what the jury is doing the courtroom. talk us through what thejury is doing now and the courtroom. talk us through what the jury is doing now and what happens when they get back into the courtroom, what's the procedure that were looking at? you courtroom, what's the procedure that were looking at?— courtroom, what's the procedure that were looking at? you mean when they read the verdict _ were looking at? you mean when they read the verdict or... _ were looking at? you mean when they read the verdict or... ? _ were looking at? you mean when they

read the verdict or... ? yeah. - were looking at? you mean when they read the verdict or... ? yeah. so - read the verdict or... yeah. so basically what they've done is they spent _ basically what they've done is they spent the — basically what they've done is they spent the past 11 hours doing is again. — spent the past 11 hours doing is again, this is not a holistic approach _ again, this is not a holistic approach it's not where as i'm talking — approach it's not where as i'm talking about a gut feeling, they're not talking about that feeling for the they — not talking about that feeling for the they have very precise instructions from the judge. these juror— instructions from the judge. these juror forums and they forms that they have — juror forums and they forms that they have to sell out, the vic 39 verdict — they have to sell out, the vic 39 verdict forms are intense. they are very meticulous in that state it has to prove _ very meticulous in that state it has to prove every offence they have to prove _ to prove every offence they have to prove every — to prove every offence they have to prove every element of every offense _ prove every element of every offense. rememberthere prove every element of every offense. remember there are three charges _ offense. remember there are three charges here and multiple elements. they really— charges here and multiple elements. they really have to have a vote on each _ they really have to have a vote on each and — they really have to have a vote on each and every elemental topic typically— each and every elemental topic typically be up to 12 different things— typically be up to 12 different things that they are deciding that the prosecution has proven beyond a reasonable _ the prosecution has proven beyond a reasonable doubt. i can't remember with the _ reasonable doubt. i can't remember with the murder to murder three charges, — with the murder to murder three charges, those are very different theories — charges, those are very different theories of the murder charge. so it murder— theories of the murder charge. so it murder two— theories of the murder charge. so it murder two is a felony murder, the state _ murder two is a felony murder, the state had _ murder two is a felony murder, the state had to— murder two is a felony murder, the state had to prove that chauvin was committing a felony, not that he intended — committing a felony, not that he intended to actually commit the crime _ intended to actually commit the crime of— intended to actually commit the crime of murder but that he intended

to commit— crime of murder but that he intended to commit the assault and that george — to commit the assault and that george floyd died in the process. in the third _ george floyd died in the process. in the third degree is this wanton disregard. the state has to prove that the — disregard. the state has to prove that the action showed a depraved indifference to human life. so they are going — indifference to human life. so they are going to, they are to actually really— are going to, they are to actually really different theories of murder here _ really different theories of murder here. there is a lot that they had to get— here. there is a lot that they had to get through at this point. i'm surprised — to get through at this point. i'm surprised it took this little time. can we — surprised it took this little time. can we just pick up on a bit of that, in order to find him guilty they would have to find that his actions were a substantial causal factor. there are other things going on with george floyd. he had an enlarged heart, there were traces of drugs in his blood system that was a carbon monoxide theory that they parts forward. what would a substantial fault we got causal factor mean? it’s substantial fault we got causal factor mean?— substantial fault we got causal factor mean? �* , , , factor mean? it's very interesting because under _ factor mean? it's very interesting because under minnesota - factor mean? it's very interesting because under minnesota law- factor mean? it's very interesting | because under minnesota law and factor mean? it's very interesting - because under minnesota law and it's not the _ because under minnesota law and it's not the same across all jurisdictions here in the united states— jurisdictions here in the united states but under minnesota law it's

actually _ states but under minnesota law it's actually an— states but under minnesota law it's actually an easier burden to meet, it's actually an easier burden to meet, its an _ actually an easier burden to meet, it's an easier standard to come to. meaning _ it's an easier standard to come to. meaning it— it's an easier standard to come to. meaning it does not have to be the four because that we call it in law. but the _ four because that we call it in law. but the requirement under the minnesota statute is only as it said a substantial factor. and you heard eric nelson— a substantial factor. and you heard eric nelson yesterday during his lon- eric nelson yesterday during his long closing really almost missed state _ long closing really almost missed state the — long closing really almost missed state the law on this fact. he was attributing — state the law on this fact. he was attributing to the prosecutor saying that the _ attributing to the prosecutor saying that the prosecution was only saying that the prosecution was only saying that it _ that the prosecution was only saying that it was _ that the prosecution was only saying that it was theirs and theirs only action— that it was theirs and theirs only action lry— that it was theirs and theirs only action by derek chauvin that caused the death— action by derek chauvin that caused the death of george floyd. when it would _ the death of george floyd. when it would be _ the death of george floyd. when it would be preposterous to say that given _ would be preposterous to say that given everything that we know about george _ given everything that we know about george floyd leading up to the event — george floyd leading up to the event. he had an enlarged heart, he had methamphetamine in his system, sentinel. _ had methamphetamine in his system, sentinel, things of that nature. that's— sentinel, things of that nature. that's really not what the product prosecute — that's really not what the product prosecute his case was again, they didn't— prosecute his case was again, they didn't have — prosecute his case was again, they didn't have to prove that level of causation — didn't have to prove that level of causation. they only had to prove that it _ causation. they only had to prove that it was — causation. they only had to prove that it was a substantial factor. really— that it was a substantial factor. really that's why the prosecutor

said at _ really that's why the prosecutor said at the end believe your eyes, believe _ said at the end believe your eyes, believe what you say because this case is _ believe what you say because this case is exactly what you thought it was _ case is exactly what you thought it was when — case is exactly what you thought it was. when you watch at nine minutes and 29 _ was. when you watch at nine minutes and 29 seconds there is no doubt in your mind _ and 29 seconds there is no doubt in your mind that that is what caused the death— your mind that that is what caused the death of george floyd. essentially, what you have to argue in terms _ essentially, what you have to argue in terms of— essentially, what you have to argue in terms of to overcome that presumption and causation the defence — presumption and causation the defence would really have to argue that george floyd was going to have died that— that george floyd was going to have died that day regardless. without any interaction with the police that because _ any interaction with the police that because of— any interaction with the police that because of the actions that he took prior drug — because of the actions that he took prior drug use and pre—existing heart _ prior drug use and pre—existing heart condition, that he was going to die _ heart condition, that he was going to die that— heart condition, that he was going to die that day anyway. that is a pretty— to die that day anyway. that is a pretty far — to die that day anyway. that is a pretty far a _ to die that day anyway. that is a pretty far a stretch to go on causation. but that's what they would — causation. but that's what they would have to prove.— causation. but that's what they would have to prove. we've seen all the characters _ would have to prove. we've seen all the characters in _ would have to prove. we've seen all the characters in this _ would have to prove. we've seen all the characters in this case. - would have to prove. we've seen all the characters in this case. it's - the characters in this case. it's been fascinating watching it televised as it has been. but we've not seen the 12 people who really count right now. the seven women, five men on the jury. count right now. the seven women, five men on thejury. take us back all the way to the beginning of the trial and the jury selection. who is

on thisjury and trial and the jury selection. who is on this jury and how do you think that makes a difference? the on thisjury and how do you think that makes a difference? the county is actually quite _ that makes a difference? the county is actually quite a _ that makes a difference? the county is actually quite a diverse _ that makes a difference? the county is actually quite a diverse county. i is actually quite a diverse county. there _ is actually quite a diverse county. there were — is actually quite a diverse county. there were discussions back in the beginning — there were discussions back in the beginning of this case when they were _ beginning of this case when they were getting maybe we should move jurisdictions, often times we have such a _ jurisdictions, often times we have such a high— jurisdictions, often times we have such a high profile kite case like this that — such a high profile kite case like this that defence attorneys will make _ this that defence attorneys will make the argument that my client cannot— make the argument that my client cannot get a fair trial in this jurisdiction because of the publicity. that argument tends not really _ publicity. that argument tends not really to _ publicity. that argument tends not really to work when you have a trial of this— really to work when you have a trial of this magnitude. where at publicity, doesn't matter if on a different— publicity, doesn't matter if on a different planet you are going to be getting _ different planet you are going to be getting the media coverage of this case _ getting the media coverage of this case and — getting the media coverage of this case. and the law presumes not that you are _ case. and the law presumes not that you are entitled to a jury of 12 people — you are entitled to a jury of 12 people that have heard nothing about this case _ people that have heard nothing about this case or— people that have heard nothing about this case or have no pre—existing biases— this case or have no pre—existing biases whatsoever will stop merely that you _ biases whatsoever will stop merely that you have 12 people that have the ability to follow the judges directions to take but the judge has

to say— directions to take but the judge has to say and — directions to take but the judge has to say and follow it to the letter of the _ to say and follow it to the letter of the law. and that includes instruction by them to disregard what _ instruction by them to disregard what they may have heard about this case prior— what they may have heard about this case prior in— what they may have heard about this case prior in the news. what they may have — case prior in the news. what they may have heard, various politicians saying _ may have heard, various politicians saying over— may have heard, various politicians saying over the weekend. things like that was— saying over the weekend. things like that was up— saying over the weekend. things like that was up but the law presumes that was up but the law presumes thatiurors— that was up but the law presumes thatjurors can do that was up but the law presumes that jurors can do that and they now, _ that jurors can do that and they now. it's — that jurors can do that and they now. it's a _ that jurors can do that and they now, it's a civic duty to set aside that— now, it's a civic duty to set aside that pre—existing whatever it is that pre—existing whatever it is that they— that pre—existing whatever it is that they are pre—existing in their minds _ that they are pre—existing in their minds and — that they are pre—existing in their minds and really focus on the law and what — minds and really focus on the law and what happened that is something that the judge spoke about yesterday. caroline, thank you very much forjoining us. just remind our viewers, if you are justjoining us, this is special coverage of the trial in minneapolis. the verdict has been reached by the jury. minneapolis. the verdict has been reached by thejury. we minneapolis. the verdict has been reached by the jury. we are waiting for the jury for thejury to for the jury to make their way back from the place they were sequestered in, going through all the evidence,

going through hours of testimony,