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business, to go and earn those city salaries. as i say, i've got two children — a 14—year—old daughter and an 11—year—old son — and, at the moment, i don't really want to encourage them to stay within the rhondda, because i think they're going to have a lot more opportunities outside. over the last year, it's places like the rhondda, with high levels of poverty and chronic diseases, which have suffered the most in this pandemic — generational problems that the politicians have always struggled to solve. traditionally a labour heartland, the ground has shifted here in recent years. in the last welsh election, plaid cymru took this seat. this time around, the dynamic could be different again. having a voice in this country is quite a big thing. for the first time, 16 and 17—year—olds get to vote. the pandemic frames lloyd and ruby's thinking, too. we are missing vital and crucial education. they are the ground work and pathways of our future, and because i haven't had a full
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year of education, i don't know if i'm going to have the ability or skills to be able to do my a—levels comfortably. being from the rhondda, i you have this sort of doubt in your mind that you can't make it as big as people would _ in more city—like areas. having more education and more help and more opportunities will help - push those people then to go and aim higher. _ the pandemic may have overshadowed this election, but it's also shone a light on what people here want to change. hywel griffith, bbc news, in the rhondda. and for more information on all the parties that are standing for election to the welsh parliament on may 6th, you can go to bbc.co.uk. that's it. now on bbc one, time for the news where you are. have a very good night. bye— bye.
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hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. to what the papers will be with me are the former conservative adviser, mo hussein, and the westminster correspondent at the yorkshire post, geraldine scott. great to see you both. we will chat in a moment. tomorrow's front pages starting with... the mail leads on former downing street adviser dominic cummings' denials over accusations he leaked text messages sent between the prime minister and businessman, sirjames dyson. the paper describes it as "all—out war" between mr cummings and his former boss, borisjohnson. the i strikes a similar tone on its front page, noting dominic cummings' attacks on the prime minister's competence and integrity. that story also the lead for the telegraph, but its front page also carries a message from government scientists who claim
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facemasks may not be needed this summer as the vaccine does the "heavy lifting" in the battle against coronavirus. "unethical and foolish" is the quote the times lifts from dominic cummings' blistering attack on borisjohnson. the former adviser�*s remarks were part of a 1,000—word post on his blog. the guardian describes mr cummings' attack on the pm as "astonishing" — but the paper also carries news of the biggest miscarriage ofjustice in uk history — the wrongful conviction of dozens of post office workers. the sun leads on the news that former manchester united star ryan giggs has been charged with assaulting two women, something he denies. so, let's begin. we are going to start with a story
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reading most of the papers this evening, lovely to see you both. we are going to start with the eye, cummings declares war onjohnson. i wonder if you can kick us off, geraldine?— wonder if you can kick us off, geraldine? , ., ., , ., , geraldine? there is no other story toniuht geraldine? there is no other story tonight and _ geraldine? there is no other story tonight and it _ geraldine? there is no other story tonight and it got _ geraldine? there is no other story tonight and it got to _ geraldine? there is no other story tonight and it got to the _ geraldine? there is no other story tonight and it got to the end - geraldine? there is no other story tonight and it got to the end of. geraldine? there is no other story| tonight and it got to the end of the day and i think a lot of us were thinking we were finishing up and that this blog dropped and it is like a 1,000 word blog which is shorter than some of his previous blog posts that we have seen so we welcome that but it has come after a couple of days of really briefing wars coming out of number 10. you hear that the figure was being pointed at dominic cummings by these leaks of pointed at dominic cummings by these lea ks of texts pointed at dominic cummings by these leaks of texts between pointed at dominic cummings by these lea ks of texts between the pointed at dominic cummings by these leaks of texts between the prime minister and sirjames dyson and he has come out swinging saying "no it wasn't me, i have messages but not these ones, i have made a series of
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other damaging allegations about the prime minister as well." mo? it is prime minister as well." mo? it is mess in prime minister as well." mo? it is messy in a _ prime minister as well." mo? it is messy in a developing crisis for the government. i think it is easy in one hand — government. i think it is easy in one hand that this is the westminster bubble or the palace entry— westminster bubble or the palace entry type of story, you have the jilted _ entry type of story, you have the jilted former adviser and there has always— jilted former adviser and there has always been an element of ego and pride _ always been an element of ego and pride and _ always been an element of ego and pride and revenge but actually some of the _ pride and revenge but actually some of the allegations that he he has made _ of the allegations that he he has made our— of the allegations that he he has made our very serious and they are targeting _ made our very serious and they are targeting some weaknesses within the government whether it is calling the second _ government whether it is calling the second lockdown and the timing around — second lockdown and the timing around that, whether it is how the downing _ around that, whether it is how the downing street flat is renovated. so i do downing street flat is renovated. so i do think— downing street flat is renovated. so i do think this has now led to many more _ i do think this has now led to many more questions for the government even if— more questions for the government even if the — more questions for the government even if the initial strategy may well have been to create some kind of distraction thinking he has left government now, they should have calculated — government now, they should have calculated that he would responded he responded in his usual way which is not _ he responded in his usual way which is notjust_ he responded in his usual way which is notjust rebuttals but so much more _ is notjust rebuttals but so much more than — is notjust rebuttals but so much more than that.— is notjust rebuttals but so much more than that. geraldine with your e e so more than that. geraldine with your eye so closely _ more than that. geraldine with your eye so closely trained _
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more than that. geraldine with your eye so closely trained on _ eye so closely trained on westminster, what do you think will be one of the first questions? as you answer that, what's actually turned to the daily mail which is the same story on the front page of the same story on the front page of the mail, but yeah, geraldine? i think the questions like mother said, this was... think the questions like mother said, this was. . ._ think the questions like mother said, this was... like mo says, it toes said, this was... like mo says, it goes beyond _ said, this was... like mo says, it goes beyond just _ said, this was... like mo says, it goes beyond just the _ said, this was... like mo says, it goes beyond just the palace - said, this was... like mo says, it. goes beyond just the palace intrigue story where why is there this back and forth at a time when really there are much more serious things they should be getting on with? these are things we want answers to and dominic cummings has said he will happily sit in front of mps next week to talk about the responses to covid—19 and address of this issues and stay there as long as possible. i don't think that will be a very comfortable session for downing street or the prime minister. but it is really why did this have to come to light in a personal blog after days of back and forth briefings that really don't make any it looked good? and i think
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this does break out of the bubble because you had everything that went on with dominic cummings during the pandemic, this is another story that seems to be number 10 versus dominic cummings and no one is coming out of it well. m0 cummings and no one is coming out of it well. a, ,, cummings and no one is coming out of it well. a, i. . cummings and no one is coming out of it well. a, ,, . . cummings and no one is coming out of it well. a, i. . . ., it well. mo you are a former conservative _ it well. mo you are a former conservative adviser, - it well. mo you are a former conservative adviser, why i it well. mo you are a former- conservative adviser, why now? why now? let's turn to the front page of the guardian because the garden also meeting with this story. but put your number 10 head—on. why now? with this story. but put your number 10 head-on. why now?— with this story. but put your number 10 head-on. why now? yeah, i mean it is interesting — 10 head-on. why now? yeah, i mean it is interesting thinking _ 10 head-on. why now? yeah, i mean it is interesting thinking why _ 10 head-on. why now? yeah, i mean it is interesting thinking why they - is interesting thinking why they have _ is interesting thinking why they have taken this approach was up i think— have taken this approach was up i think one — have taken this approach was up i think one part of it is the prime minister— think one part of it is the prime minister has had a big change in his team _ minister has had a big change in his team and _ minister has had a big change in his team and it — minister has had a big change in his team and it is clear he has grown quite _ team and it is clear he has grown quite distant from the vote to leave crowd _ quite distant from the vote to leave crowd that — quite distant from the vote to leave crowd that he grew it so well and i think— crowd that he grew it so well and i think he _ crowd that he grew it so well and i think he has found this new found this new—found confidence where he is calling _ this new—found confidence where he is calling things out more and this could _ is calling things out more and this could he _ is calling things out more and this could he a — is calling things out more and this could be a primitive strike. we know that dominic has got information and he has _ that dominic has got information and he has got _
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that dominic has got information and he has got information and knowledge about what _ he has got information and knowledge about what happened in government in this crucial— about what happened in government in this crucial and horrendous year we had so _ this crucial and horrendous year we had so number10 this crucial and horrendous year we had so number 10 could well be trying _ had so number 10 could well be trying to— had so number 10 could well be trying to get things out before he .oes trying to get things out before he goes in _ trying to get things out before he goes in front of mps and gives evidence — goes in front of mps and gives evidence and they will be worried that he _ evidence and they will be worried that he has called for the kind of inquiry— that he has called for the kind of inquiry that he has. —— preemptive strike _ inquiry that he has. —— preemptive strike~ i_ inquiry that he has. —— preemptive strike~ ithink— inquiry that he has. —— preemptive strike. i think there is an element of them _ strike. i think there is an element of them trying to get out ahead of them _ of them trying to get out ahead of them but — of them trying to get out ahead of them but equally there seems to be some _ them but equally there seems to be some miscalculation that he wouldn't 'ust some miscalculation that he wouldn't just take _ some miscalculation that he wouldn't just take it— some miscalculation that he wouldn't just take it lying down and would come _ just take it lying down and would come back with more and i think some of the _ come back with more and i think some of the content which number 10 have not really— of the content which number 10 have not really address in their statement tonight will be of real concern — statement tonight will be of real concern and i don't think we have seen _ concern and i don't think we have seen the — concern and i don't think we have seen the end of this either. geraldine how damaging do you think this is actually going to be? because it has been one story after another, allegationsjust because it has been one story after another, allegations just coming because it has been one story after another, allegationsjust coming one after another. another, allegationsjust coming one afteranother. how another, allegationsjust coming one after another. how damaging is this going to be? because the attack as it is being described, this all out war is very strong language, isn't it? it war is very strong language, isn't it? , ., ~ ,
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it? it is and i think it is so damaging _ it? it is and i think it is so damaging because - it? it is and i think it is so damaging because of - it? it is and i think it is so damaging because of how it? it is and i think it is so - damaging because of how close the prime minister and dominic cummings work, he was his right—hand man and i think the complete u—turn on the relationship which has completely severed by the signs of it, i think that makes it damaging and also is this comes after a week when labour has really been trying to hammer home this message of government sleaze and the fact that there is a government by whatsapp and that kind of thing. so when we talk about timing actually, labour must be rubbing their hands together at this because it is exactly the kind of think they have been building on for the last week. the reason i think it's damaging is when we spoke, i have been speaking this week about pm cues for example and the line labour was going down, i was not sure that was cutting through with the dyson texts at first, i thought they showed that the prime minister was trying to get difficult —— try to get mental it is in it very difficult time but now that shows a
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lot of allegations building here and that this might starting to cut through and damaging to number 10. just listening to what geraldine had to say, mo about the possible damage this week due to number 10, how you think this is going to be handled moving forward present —— this would do to number10? moving forward present —— this would do to number 10? they will be looking quite friends we had what he is a saying and thinking about what other access to information he may have. , ., ., ~' other access to information he may have. , . , have. -- they will look at this ruite have. -- they will look at this quite forensically _ have. -- they will look at this quite forensically and - have. -- they will look at this quite forensically and will- have. -- they will look at this quite forensically and will try | have. -- they will look at this i quite forensically and will try to -et quite forensically and will try to get their— quite forensically and will try to get their ducks in a row and how they— get their ducks in a row and how they rebut — get their ducks in a row and how they rebut his points and they will be keen— they rebut his points and they will be keen to — they rebut his points and they will be keen to move the agenda on and talk about— be keen to move the agenda on and talk about fighting covid and the vaccine — talk about fighting covid and the vaccine programme and things like that because this is damaging in other— that because this is damaging in other ways as well. even if people do see _ other ways as well. even if people do see this — other ways as well. even if people do see this as a westminster story which _ do see this as a westminster story which i _ do see this as a westminster story which i do — do see this as a westminster story which i do not think it is, then it is still— which i do not think it is, then it is still seen _ which i do not think it is, then it is still seen as a government psychodrama and with weeks ago before _ psychodrama and with weeks ago before whole sets of local and default — before whole sets of local and default administration elections, people _ default administration elections, people thinking that the government is out _ people thinking that the government is out of— people thinking that the government is out of touch with their day—to—day concerns is also damaging
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in other— day—to—day concerns is also damaging in other ways — day—to—day concerns is also damaging in other ways as well for the government's credibility particularly in trying to keep hold of the _ particularly in trying to keep hold of the voters theyjust ten adur are only a _ of the voters theyjust ten adur are only a few— of the voters theyjust ten adur are only a few years ago and i think the labour— only a few years ago and i think the labour point is important. labour have _ labour point is important. labour have been— labour point is important. labour have been going on about sleaze for a while _ have been going on about sleaze for a while and — have been going on about sleaze for a while and i think those things have _ a while and i think those things have not— a while and i think those things have not really stuck because people willjust _ have not really stuck because people willjust think we were in the middle — willjust think we were in the middle of a pandemic but for dominic to use _ middle of a pandemic but for dominic to use words like unethical, foolish. _ to use words like unethical, foolish, possibly illegal, that is a .ift foolish, possibly illegal, that is a gift to _ foolish, possibly illegal, that is a gift to labour about that is the prime — gift to labour about that is the prime minister's form a close adviser~ _ prime minister's form a close adviser. you will hear a lot of labour — adviser. you will hear a lot of labour repeating these words back to the government. final paper in this particular addition of our look at saturday's newspapers is the daily telegraph and we are going to go with the picture here on their front page, the headline it is cummings declares war on pm but as we hone in on the picture, i would like to ask both of you. how much do you think dominic cummings has got to lose with his statement and his allegations right now? geraldine? you
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statement and his allegations right now? geraldine?— statement and his allegations right now? geraldine? you would think not much but this — now? geraldine? you would think not much but this seems _ now? geraldine? you would think not much but this seems like _ now? geraldine? you would think not much but this seems like the - now? geraldine? you would think not much but this seems like the nuclear| much but this seems like the nuclear option, doesn't it? the pen is out of the grenade. he was not going to be walking back into the fold anyway at this stage and the bridges been burned. —— welcomed back into the fold. i don't think he has much to lose but everything to gain and a lot of pain to inflict if that is the way he wants to go about it well. ~ ~' the way he wants to go about it well. ~ ~ . , ., ., ., well. mo? i think he has got zero to lose. i well. mo? i think he has got zero to lose- lthink— well. mo? i think he has got zero to lose. i think he _ well. mo? i think he has got zero to lose. i think he has _ well. mo? i think he has got zero to lose. i think he has got _ well. mo? i think he has got zero to lose. i think he has got a _ well. mo? i think he has got zero to lose. i think he has got a lot - well. mo? i think he has got zero to lose. i think he has got a lot more | lose. i think he has got a lot more material— lose. i think he has got a lot more material that he could release which will be _ material that he could release which will be of _ material that he could release which will be of real concern and it goes back— will be of real concern and it goes back to _ will be of real concern and it goes back to would he have done this anyway? — back to would he have done this anyway? we don't know, possibly, possibly— anyway? we don't know, possibly, possibly in— anyway? we don't know, possibly, possibly in front of mps when he appears — possibly in front of mps when he appears in — possibly in front of mps when he appears in front of them but it does appear— appears in front of them but it does appear like — appears in front of them but it does appear like he was provoked into doing _ appear like he was provoked into doing this — appear like he was provoked into doing this by number 10. so, i think he is— doing this by number 10. so, i think he is going — doing this by number 10. so, i think he is going to go all out and i don't — he is going to go all out and i don't think this at the end of it. geraldine — don't think this at the end of it. geraldine what do you make of the serious allegations about dominic
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cummings credibility, hasn't it been hit? i cummings credibility, hasn't it been hit? ~' cummings credibility, hasn't it been hit? ~ , ., ., hit? i think it is one of those classic ones _ hit? i think it is one of those classic ones were _ hit? i think it is one of those classic ones were actually i hit? i think it is one of those l classic ones were actually the people that would have already believed it would have believed them and the people that would not have lunch, i think this is an entrenchment of positions i don't think this will convince anyone of any other side. but in terms of his work for government, i think his reputation has been hit but i think it was damage for, it was december when he left the government and went to felt before them anyway and i don't think he has much to lose in this regard. so he will go all out. mo, this regard. so he will go all out. m0, is his credibility come into this at all? i mo, is his credibility come into this at all?— mo, is his credibility come into this at all? ~ , . , , this at all? i think his credibility was a shot _ this at all? i think his credibility was a shot when _ this at all? i think his credibility was a shot when we _ this at all? i think his credibility was a shot when we had - this at all? i think his credibility was a shot when we had the - this at all? i think his credibility i was a shot when we had the whole slightly— was a shot when we had the whole slightly incredible castle incident, it is clear — slightly incredible castle incident, it is clear that even before he left government, there was friction and the prime — government, there was friction and the prime minister was possibly growing — the prime minister was possibly growing further apart from him not really— growing further apart from him not really listening to his advice on all things _ really listening to his advice on allthings. so really listening to his advice on all things. sol really listening to his advice on all things. so i do nothing for him
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this is— all things. so i do nothing for him this is really about credibility. he is im _ this is really about credibility. he is i'm going back into government, a lot of— is i'm going back into government, a lot of his _ is i'm going back into government, a lot of his friends are no longer in government, but this is perhaps from his perspective setting the record straight _ his perspective setting the record straight and i think he will be quite — straight and i think he will be quite forthcoming and how he does that now _ quite forthcoming and how he does that now. , ., . ., quite forthcoming and how he does that now. , . . . ., that now. gear change now saying with the front _ that now. gear change now saying with the front page _ of the daily telegraph and geraldine, let's focus, re—focus on covid. the headline here is a vaccine may spell the end of masks during summer, so say the scientists.— during summer, so say the scientists. j j j scientists. this is quite exciting, isn't it? we _ scientists. this is quite exciting, isn't it? we have _ scientists. this is quite exciting, isn't it? we have heard - scientists. this is quite exciting, l isn't it? we have heard happened with that masks will become quite a normal way of life even after things are a bit back to normal that we would have to still wear them on public transport and may be in shops or whilst going to sit down at a restaurant and things of that but the scientists are now saying that the scientists are now saying that the vaccine programme is going so well that that might not actually be the case in the summer and even in the case in the summer and even in the autumn in the winter, you might only have to wear them on public transport basically if we don't stick to the rules and don't behave
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ourselves and make sure that we are taking precautions. there is a really interesting piece in this piece about working at work and how we have to really not drag ourselves into the office if we are family sick and if we change that behaviour, then scientists are saying we could begin the top of this and the masks could be going a lot sooner than expected which i think we would all welcome. ma lot sooner than expected which i think we would all welcome. mo do ou think think we would all welcome. mo do you think it — think we would all welcome. mo do you think it is _ think we would all welcome. mo do you think it is wise _ think we would all welcome. mo do you think it is wise to _ think we would all welcome. mo do you think it is wise to say _ think we would all welcome. mo do you think it is wise to say this - you think it is wise to say this because of what is going on in brazil and india and the mutants and we don't know how effective the vaccines are and there is an issue with the vaccine row out in india, the question is still there, we are not all safe until everyone is safe? i think that is quite right. i don't think— i think that is quite right. i don't think it — i think that is quite right. i don't think it is — i think that is quite right. i don't think it is wise at all and i was a bit surprised when i saw this because _ bit surprised when i saw this because yes of course the vaccine has been — because yes of course the vaccine has been very successful and yes people _ has been very successful and yes people want a glimmer of hope and they want—
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people want a glimmer of hope and they want to return back to normality. but this

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