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in israel which saw at least 45 people die at a crowded jewish festival. prime minister benjamin netanyahu promised that an inquiry would ensure such a tragedy did not happen again. the united states has announced it will restrict travel from india next week to try to stop the spread of covid—19. the white house said the move would come into force on tuesday. the actor noel clarke says he's deeply sorry for some of his actions, but vehemently denies sexual misconduct as tv networks in britain drop shows he stars in. leading british teams and players from sports including football, cricket and rugby have begun a four—day boycott of social media. they want facebook, instagram and twitter to take stronger action against people who post racist and sexist comments. now on bbc news, one year on from the death of george floyd in minneapolis,
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are america's racial divisions starting to heal, or are they as deep as ever? hello and welcome to global questions with me, zeinab badawi. the black lives matter movement triggered a bout of soul—searching all over the world as governments and citizens examined their attitudes and actions on race and diversity. it's now one year since the death of george floyd, and his killer is behind bars. so, how far have we come in the struggle for racialjustice? that's global questions: what has blm achieved? well, to bring you this addition of global questions, our two panelists and our
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questioners join us via video link from all corners of the world. let me tell you who's in the hot seat this week giving the answers. opal tometi is co—founder of black lives matter, which was set up in the united states in 2013 to fight racism. an american human rights activist, she was the first woman to receive the prestigious international peace honour prize this year. and duwayne brooks is a british conservative campaigner for racial equality. he supports a recent report commissioned by the government here on ethnic disparities. this concluded that social and economic factors were more significant than race in determining unequal outcomes. welcome to you both, and remember you too can join the conversation. it's #bbcglobalquestions. we've got a lot to discuss. let's go straightaway to our first question from jamaal, who joins us from addis ababa in ethiopia, but his home
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is in melbourne, australia. jamaal, your question, please. my question to the panelists is how do you respond - to statements like i "all lives matter?" that's the typical response i when we mention black lives matter in australia. opal tometi, all lives matter at the end of the day, don't they? well, i certainly believe that all lives matter, and that is exactly why myself and the two other co—founders of black lives matter created black lives matter. we wanted to be very honest about what we were seeing in our society, in our communities, day in, day out. the fact that black people were being treated with disrespect, were being treated with such violence in every sphere of our lives and we were being treated — and we are being treated — as if our lives, in fact, don't matter. and we know better than that, so we wanted to go out and create a platform and a
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network that allowed us to come together, to share our concerns, to amplify our voices and call the attention of the world to join in to create a world where one day, all lives might matter. duwayne brooks, fair point opal makes or not? i think fair point. in answer to the question, do all lives matter? yes, they do. but all of our lives are precious. no one has the right to life over anyone else. the sad fact is that in some countries around the world, the darker skinned person, black, is seen as a less of a person with fewer human rights. the systematic, clear and treatment of aboriginals in australia is a clear example. the — australia is a clear example. the media in america, as we don't — the media in america, as we don't really see the news feed
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from — don't really see the news feed from australia, constantly gave us examples of incidents across the states — us examples of incidents across the states where police officers were shooting and killing _ officers were shooting and killing black people when not under — killing black people when not under any threat. in those conditions, black lives do matter. _ conditions, black lives do matter, and in those situations, the statement all lives — situations, the statement all lives matter has no relevance. all lives matter has no relevance. att lives — lives matter has no relevance. all lives are not facing the same _ all lives are not facing the same painful experiences around the world — same painful experiences around the world. all same painful experiences around the world. �* , . . . the world. all right, jamaal, what do you _ the world. all right, jamaal, what do you think? - the world. all right, jamaal, what do you think? more - the world. all right, jamaal, what do you think? more or| the world. all right, jamaal, - what do you think? more or less the same answer there from opal and duwayne, but what's your take? i and duwayne, but what's your take? . i and duwayne, but what's your take?- | think - and duwayne, but what's your take?- i think all - take? i agree. ithink all lives matter— take? i agree. ithink all lives matter has - take? i agree. ithink all lives matter has been i take? i agree. ithink all. lives matter has been used take? i agree. ithink all- lives matter has been used in a way that— lives matter has been used in a way that forces _ lives matter has been used in a way that forces people - lives matter has been used in a way that forces people to - way that forces people to choose _ way that forces people to choose whether - way that forces people to choose whether it's - way that forces people to choose whether it's all. way that forces people to i choose whether it's all lives matter— choose whether it's all lives matter or _ choose whether it's all lives matter or only— choose whether it's all lives matter or only the - choose whether it's all lives matter or only the black - choose whether it's all lives . matter or only the black lives matter~ — matter or only the black lives matter. that's _ matter or only the black lives matter. that's not _ matter or only the black lives matter. that's not what - matter or only the black lives matter. that's not what blmi matter or only the black livesl matter. that's not what blm is all about _ matter. that's not what blm is all about i_ matter. that's not what blm is all about. i think— matter. that's not what blm is all about. i think blm - matter. that's not what blm is all about. i think blm is - matter. that's not what blm is all about. i think blm is about| all about. i think blm is about the -- — all about. i think blm is about the —— highlighting _ all about. i think blm is about the —— highlighting the - the —— highlighting the injustices _ the —— highlighting the injustices faced - the —— highlighting the injustices faced by- the —— highlighting the. injustices faced by black communities— injustices faced by black communities around -
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injustices faced by blackj communities around the injustices faced by black - communities around the world, and communities around the world, ahd i_ communities around the world, ahd i firmly— communities around the world, and i firmly believe _ communities around the world, and i firmly believe that - communities around the world, and i firmly believe that only. and i firmly believe that only when — and i firmly believe that only when black— and i firmly believe that only when black lives _ and i firmly believe that only when black lives matter, - and i firmly believe that only. when black lives matter, then all tives — when black lives matter, then all lives will _ when black lives matter, then all lives will matter. _ when black lives matter, then all lives will matter. 0k, - all lives will matter. ok, thanks _ all lives will matter. ok, thanks. let's _ all lives will matter. ok, thanks. let's go - all lives will matter. ok, thanks. let's go now- all lives will matter. ok, thanks. let's go now to l thanks. let's go now to singapore to carma elliott for her question. what do you want to ask? i her question. what do you want to ask? ., ., ., a to ask? i want to ask the panelists _ to ask? i want to ask the panelists how _ to ask? i want to ask the panelists how and - to ask? i want to ask the panelists how and why i to ask? i want to ask the panelists how and why is j to ask? i want to ask the - panelists how and why is black lives _ panelists how and why is black lives matter— panelists how and why is black lives matter relevant - panelists how and why is black lives matter relevant to - panelists how and why is black lives matter relevant to our i lives matter relevant to our global— lives matter relevant to our global community, - lives matter relevant to our global community, for- lives matter relevant to our - global community, for example in southeast _ global community, for example in southeast asia? _ global community, for example in southeast asia? as - global community, for example in southeast asia? as we - global community, for example in southeast asia? as we startl in southeast asia? as we start to see — in southeast asia? as we start to see asians _ in southeast asia? as we start to see asians facing _ in southeast asia? as we start to see asians facing attacks, l to see asians facing attacks, his black— to see asians facing attacks, his black life _ to see asians facing attacks, his black life matter- to see asians facing attacks, his black life matter us- to see asians facing attacks, his black life matter us —— l to see asians facing attacks, i his black life matter us —— us uk issue? _ his black life matter us -- us uk issue?— uk issue? well, as i said, black is — uk issue? well, as i said, black is deemed - uk issue? well, as i said, black is deemed anyone l uk issue? well, as i said, i black is deemed anyone with non—white skin, but the slogan, which _ non—white skin, but the slogan, which is — non—white skin, but the slogan, which is a — non—white skin, but the slogan, which is a political one, doesn't _ which is a political one, doesn't seem to have the same retevance — doesn't seem to have the same relevance outside the us — uk corridor, — relevance outside the us — uk corridor, which is... the reason _ corridor, which is... the reason i _ corridor, which is... the reason i say this is without political— reason i say this is without political activism, reason i say this is without politicalactivism, it reason i say this is without political activism, it has no attraction from the public. but
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it's the — attraction from the public. but it's the same political activism that is turning people off. activism that is turning people off there _ activism that is turning people off. there is no question that black— off. there is no question that black people around the world seem — black people around the world seem to — black people around the world seem to face the same sort of discrimination, and there is no question— discrimination, and there is no question that a movement is required _ question that a movement is required to force governments to change legislation. but unless— to change legislation. but unless we deal with the high percentage of black on black hatred, _ percentage of black on black hatred, black life matter will fade — hatred, black life matter will fade away and life will go back to how — fade away and life will go back to how it — fade away and life will go back to how it was before the us elections. to how it was before the us elections-— to how it was before the us elections. ~ ., ., ., , ., elections. what carma is asking is is it something _ elections. what carma is asking is is it something that _ elections. what carma is asking is is it something that the i elections. what carma is asking is is it something that the us i is is it something that the us and the uk are preoccupied with. how is it relevant to people in asia, where they may be more concerned about the attacks that were seen on east asians. the un has said these are taking place at an alarming rate, as it put it. but are taking place at an alarming rate, as it put it.— rate, as it put it. but those attacks have _ rate, as it put it. but those attacks have always - rate, as it put it. but those attacks have always taken l attacks have always taken place _ attacks have always taken place i_ attacks have always taken place. i suppose what blm has done _ place. i suppose what blm has done has — place. i suppose what blm has done has given it political... it's — done has given it political... it's given— done has given it political... it's given it political power at this— it's given it political power at this moment in time. that's
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what _ at this moment in time. that's what blm _ at this moment in time. that's what blm has done. but once this att— what blm has done. but once this all fades away, the attacks— this all fades away, the attacks will continue and it'll all be — attacks will continue and it'll all be ignored as it was before blm _ all be ignored as it was before blm started. all be ignored as it was before blm started-— blm started. let's see what 0 al blm started. let's see what opal has — blm started. let's see what opal has to _ blm started. let's see what opal has to say. _ blm started. let's see what opal has to say. well, i i blm started. let's see what i opal has to say. well, i really appreciate — opal has to say. well, i really appreciate this _ opal has to say. well, i really appreciate this question i opal has to say. well, i really appreciate this question and l opal has to say. well, i really appreciate this question and i | appreciate this question and i think it's an important one. i think it's an important one. i think what we know for sure is that when black people begin these types of social movements like we've done all throughout history, every single community that has been marginalised benefits. we see that we lift up benefits. we see that we lift up all of our communities, so asian communities, indigenous communities, women and people who live in intersections of those identities, always benefit. that is a fact. what we know right now is that people who are struggling, no matter what their background is, where they're from, they identify with the black lives
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matter movement. they respect, they appreciate it, they know that ultimately, this is a human rights movement that benefits all of us. let human rights movement that benefits all of us.— human rights movement that benefits all of us. let me ask ou benefits all of us. let me ask you very _ benefits all of us. let me ask you very quickly. _ benefits all of us. let me ask you very quickly, opal, i benefits all of us. let me ask i you very quickly, opal, because on social media, we had so many people asking us if it's possible for there to be a stronger alliance between blm and stop asian hate, because we have seen some really horrific attacks on people of east asian origin in the united states because they're being blamed for covid—i9, conch flu and that kind of comment. for covid-19, conch flu and that kind of comment. white supremacy — that kind of comment. white supremacy is _ that kind of comment. white supremacy is the _ that kind of comment. white supremacy is the shared i that kind of comment. white i supremacy is the shared enemy that we all have. i believe that we all have. i believe that black lives matter and folks who are trying to stop asian hate community and movement and asian populations have already been in dialogue for a long time. it's amazing to see that there are now even more calls to take action. it's
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already under way.— already under way. our next question _ already under way. our next question comes _ already under way. our next question comes from - already under way. our next i question comes from london, where i am at bbc headquarters. it's from blessing.— it's from blessing. thank you. as much _ it's from blessing. thank you. as much as — it's from blessing. thank you. as much as i _ it's from blessing. thank you. as much as i am _ it's from blessing. thank you. as much as i am not- it's from blessing. thank you. as much as i am not against l it's from blessing. thank you. l as much as i am not against the black— as much as i am not against the black lives _ as much as i am not against the black lives matter— as much as i am not against the black lives matter and - as much as i am not against the black lives matter and taking i black lives matter and taking the knee. _ black lives matter and taking the knee. it _ black lives matter and taking the knee, it is _ black lives matter and taking the knee, it is a _ black lives matter and taking the knee, it is a fact- black lives matter and taking the knee, it is a fact that i the knee, it is a fact that these _ the knee, it is a fact that these are _ the knee, it is a fact that these are symbols - the knee, it is a fact that these are symbols of i the knee, it is a fact that these are symbols of the politicians _ these are symbols of the politicians are _ these are symbols of the i politicians are comfortable setting _ politicians are comfortable setting to _ politicians are comfortable selling to us. _ politicians are comfortable selling to us. what - politicians are comfortable selling to us. what is- politicians are comfortable selling to us. what is the i politicians are comfortable i selling to us. what is the real change — selling to us. what is the real change were _ selling to us. what is the real change we're looking - selling to us. what is the real change we're looking for? i selling to us. what is the reall change we're looking for? how do we — change we're looking for? how do we avoid _ change we're looking for? how do we avoid this _ change we're looking for? how do we avoid this trap _ change we're looking for? how do we avoid this trap of - change we're looking for? how do we avoid this trap ofjust i do we avoid this trap ofjust embracing _ do we avoid this trap ofjust embracing a _ do we avoid this trap ofjust embracing a symbol, - do we avoid this trap ofjust embracing a symbol, whilstj do we avoid this trap ofjust i embracing a symbol, whilst the real change _ embracing a symbol, whilst the real change doesn't— embracing a symbol, whilst the real change doesn't really- embracing a symbol, whilst the| real change doesn't really come at all? — real change doesn't really come at all? a— real change doesn't really come at all? a symbol— real change doesn't really come at all? a symbol that _ real change doesn't really come at all? a symbol that is - real change doesn't really come at all? a symbol that is empty? 0pat— at all? a symbol that is empty? 0pat tometi _ at all? a symbol that is empty? 0pat tometi is— at all? a symbol that is empty? opal tometi is a _ at all? a symbol that is empty? opal tometi is a co—founder- at all? a symbol that is empty? opal tometi is a co—founder ofl opal tometi is a co—founder of blm. are you just indulging in empty symbolism? blm. are youjust indulging in empty symbolism? absolutely not. i empty symbolism? absolutely not- i think — empty symbolism? absolutely not. i think what _ empty symbolism? absolutely not. i think what we _ empty symbolism? absolutely not. i think what we know i empty symbolism? absolutely not. i think what we know for. not. i think what we know for sure is that our movement deserves substance over symbolic action. and i think
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thatis symbolic action. and i think that is why we evolved, even refined our call to action over the years. i think people might be very familiar with billy lm seven years ago —— it blm, and the imagery and the protests, but what you'll also know is that we've been calling for real investment in black communities. real investment in job programmes and mental health services. we're calling for a reallocation from policing. these are the substances in addition to the policy measures we've been talking about from the local levels to the national level. international as well. so, substance over assisted symbolism. i5 substance over assisted symbolism.— substance over assisted s mbolism. �* ~ , symbolism. is a blm sometimes sidetracked _ symbolism. is a blm sometimes sidetracked by _ symbolism. is a blm sometimes sidetracked by symbolism? i sidetracked by symbolism ? taking sidetracked by symbolism? taking a knee and some of the other slogans, or is it
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something that's leading to substantial action? for something that's leading to substantial action? far from substantial _ substantial action? far from substantial action. - substantial action? far from substantial action. these i substantial action. these symbols, pulling down statues in the — symbols, pulling down statues in the uk, they have no impact on the — in the uk, they have no impact on the issues you face in your everyday— on the issues you face in your everyday life. blm was politcised in the us as a strategy to remove president trump, — strategy to remove president trump, and was pushed around the world — trump, and was pushed around the world by the media. but the direct— the world by the media. but the direct answer to blessing's question, we must not allow our emotions — question, we must not allow our emotions to dictate our responses and conscious thinking. we should be researching the facts, have an intelligent debate and make togicat— intelligent debate and make logical decisions so we don't follow— logical decisions so we don't follow these empty movements that are — follow these empty movements that are just about making money— that are just about making money off people's misfortune. are you — money off people's misfortune. are you saying that blm isjust are you saying that blm is just an empty movement that's making money off of people's misfortunes?- money off of people's misfortunes? ~ ' :: :: , m misfortunes? well, 10096. say that to opal. _ misfortunes? well, 10096. say that to opal, the _ misfortunes? well, 10096. say
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that to opal, the founder i misfortunes? well, 10096. say that to opal, the founder of i that to opal, the founder of blm, on the line next to you. just put it directly to her if that's the allegation you're making, because at the very strong statement.— making, because at the very strong statement. opal, i look at blm as _ strong statement. opal, i look at blm as the _ strong statement. opal, i look at blm as the same _ strong statement. opal, i look at blm as the same kind i strong statement. opal, i look at blm as the same kind of. strong statement. opal, i look. at blm as the same kind of race hustlers— at blm as the same kind of race hustters as _ at blm as the same kind of race hustlers as al sharpton... they 'ust hustlers as al sharpton... they just tie — hustlers as al sharpton... they just lie down on people who had misfortune in their life and tragedy— misfortune in their life and tragedy in their life, and you make — tragedy in their life, and you make money off that. this whole nonsense — make money off that. this whole nonsense of improving the lives of black— nonsense of improving the lives of black people, give us some examples of where you've improve _ examples of where you've improve the lives of black people _ improve the lives of black people. where in the world? all around people. where in the world? around the people. where in the world? fill around the world, in fact. you know that. around the world, in fact. you know that-— around the world, in fact. you know that._ it's i know that. no, i don't. it's unfortunate _ know that. no, i don't. it's unfortunate to _ know that. no, i don't. it's unfortunate to hear - know that. no, i don't. it's unfortunate to hear you i know that. no, i don't. it's| unfortunate to hear you say that but i also understand there are people like you who do exist and who share those kind of sentiments, but the reality is subsequently, people's lives have changed. people have found their courage, they have gotten
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access to programmes, different policy changes. access to programmes, different policy changes-— access to programmes, different| policy changes.- chicago, policy changes. where? chicago, new york. _ policy changes. where? chicago, new york, california. _ policy changes. where? chicago, new york, california. give i policy changes. where? chicago, new york, california. give me i new york, california. give me an example- _ new york, california. give me an example. you _ new york, california. give me an example. you know - new york, california. give me| an example. you know exactly what we've — an example. you know exactly what we've done _ an example. you know exactly what we've done here, - an example. you know exactly what we've done here, but i an example. you know exactly | what we've done here, but also in other parts of the world. i don't think it's a small thing for people to go to the streets to take action, to call out governments. we have to have the cultural movements, the emotions are important. the ability to know right from wrong and how a cultural understanding in order to have the policy changes come back, right? those things have to happen. i would argue we've seen many, many changes, both from the policy side... she 'ust from the policy side... she just told — from the policy side... she just told you. _ from the policy side... she just told you. what - from the policy side... she just told you. what policy i just told you. what policy changes? _ just told you. what policy changes? give _ just told you. what policy changes? give him i just told you. what policy changes? give him an i just told you. what policy i changes? give him an example. we had operations _
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changes? give him an example. we had operations in _ changes? give him an example. we had operations in chicago. i we had operations in chicago. we've seen it. there's a lot! we've seen it. there's a lot! we have no evidence of that, where's — we have no evidence of that, where's the evidence? where's the evidence that blm may that happen? — the evidence that blm may that happen? i haven't seen any evidence _ happen? i haven't seen any evidence of that._ happen? i haven't seen any evidence of that. what's the evidence? — evidence of that. what's the evidence? what _ evidence of that. what's the evidence? what evidence i evidence of that. what's the | evidence? what evidence are evidence of that. what's the i evidence? what evidence are you lookin: evidence? what evidence are you looking for? _ looking for? crosstalk. ., ., , crosstalk. there are millions of --eole crosstalk. there are millions of people you _ crosstalk. there are millions of people you want _ crosstalk. there are millions of people you want to - crosstalk. there are millions| of people you want to discount. that's disingenuous. that's really discouraging. there's our really discouraging. there's your answer. _ really discouraging. there's your answer. let's - really discouraging. there's your answer. let's call i really discouraging. there's your answer. let's call and | your answer. let's call and blessing — your answer. let's call and blessing who _ your answer. let's call and blessing who asked - your answer. let's call and blessing who asked the i your answer. let's call and i blessing who asked the question as a referee. blessing, you've heard two different points of view there.— heard two different points of view there. , ., , ., view there. the question is not really about — view there. the question is not really about the _ view there. the question is not really about the sincerity i view there. the question is not really about the sincerity of. really about the sincerity of opal — really about the sincerity of opal and _ really about the sincerity of opal and black— really about the sincerity of opal and black lives - really about the sincerity of. opal and black lives matter. the question— opal and black lives matter. the question is— opal and black lives matter. the question is whether- opal and black lives matter. the question is whether she| opal and black lives matter. i the question is whether she is aware — the question is whether she is aware and _ the question is whether she is aware and whether— the question is whether she is aware and whether we - the question is whether she is aware and whether we are - the question is whether she is aware and whether we are alll aware and whether we are all aware — aware and whether we are all aware that _ aware and whether we are all aware that this _ aware and whether we are all aware that this creates - aware and whether we are all aware that this creates a - aware that this creates a convenience _ aware that this creates a convenience for- aware that this creates a i convenience for politicians aware that this creates a - convenience for politicians to hide — convenience for politicians to hide behind _
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convenience for politicians to hide behind the _ convenience for politicians to hide behind the symbols- convenience for politicians to�* hide behind the symbols that they— hide behind the symbols that they have _ hide behind the symbols that they have rightly _ hide behind the symbols that they have rightly given. - hide behind the symbols that. they have rightly given. whilst avoiding — they have rightly given. whilst avoiding the _ they have rightly given. whilst avoiding the real— they have rightly given. whilst avoiding the real questions - they have rightly given. whilsti avoiding the real questions and the reel— avoiding the real questions and the real change _ avoiding the real questions and the real change that _ avoiding the real questions and the real change that we're - the real change that we're looking _ the real change that we're looking for. _ the real change that we're looking for, so _ the real change that we're looking for, so that - the real change that we're looking for, so that is - the real change that we're looking for, so that is the | looking for, so that is the reel— looking for, so that is the real focus_ looking for, so that is the real focus of— looking for, so that is the real focus of my - looking for, so that is the | real focus of my question. looking for, so that is the real focus of my question. very cuick real focus of my question. very quick response. _ real focus of my question. very quick response. while - real focus of my question. very quick response. while the - real focus of my question. very| quick response. while the other is mentioning _ quick response. while the other is mentioning and _ quick response. while the other is mentioning and trying - quick response. while the other is mentioning and trying to - is mentioning and trying to point fingers as us instead of looking at the leaders of our nation �*s and the leaders of localjurisdictions, he's looking at everyday people trying to discredit their work. that's very disappointing and disturbing. that's very disappointing and disturbing-— that's very disappointing and disturbinu. , , disturbing. duwayne, very quick response- _ disturbing. duwayne, very quick response. the _ disturbing. duwayne, very quick response. the actual— disturbing. duwayne, very quick response. the actual question l response. the actual question is does blm and the symbolism give politicians off the hook that they can just subscribe to symbols without taking real action. ., �* , symbols without taking real action. . �*, , .,,._ ., �*, action. that's probably what's happening — action. that's probably what's happening in _ action. that's probably what's happening in the _ action. that's probably what's happening in the states. - action. that's probably what's happening in the states. it's l happening in the states. it's definitely not happening in the
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uk. ,., ., ., ~ definitely not happening in the uk. good, ok, thank you. a bit of a ding _ uk. good, ok, thank you. a bit of a ding dong _ uk. good, ok, thank you. a bit of a ding dong they _ uk. good, ok, thank you. a bit of a ding dong they are, - uk. good, ok, thank you. a bit of a ding dong they are, let's i of a ding dong they are, let's now go to china. what's your question, please? i now go to china. what's your question, please?— now go to china. what's your question, please? i want to ask the panelist _ question, please? i want to ask the panelist for _ question, please? i want to ask the panelist for their _ question, please? i want to ask the panelist for their opinion i the panelist for their opinion about— the panelist for their opinion about the _ the panelist for their opinion about the role _ the panelist for their opinion about the role of— the panelist for their opinion about the role of civil - about the role of civil disobedience - about the role of civil disobedience in- about the role of civil l disobedience in protest movements. _ disobedience in protest movements. do- disobedience in protest movements. do you i disobedience in protest. movements. do you think disobedience in protest- movements. do you think it is necessary— movements. do you think it is necessary or— movements. do you think it isl necessary or counterproductive or simply— necessary or counterproductive or simply unavoidable? - necessary or counterproductive or simply unavoidable? duwayne brooks. ithink— or simply unavoidable? duwayne brooks. i think the _ or simply unavoidable? duwayne brooks. i think the simple - brooks. i think the simple answer to _ brooks. i think the simple answer to that _ brooks. i think the simple answer to that is - brooks. i think the simple answer to that is it - brooks. i think the simple | answer to that is it doesn't work. _ answer to that is it doesn't work. and _ answer to that is it doesn't work, and therefore it is counterproductive. if you have a family— counterproductive. if you have a family business that has a history— a family business that has a history well over a hundred years. _ history well over a hundred years, how devastated would you be seeing — years, how devastated would you be seeing it on fire during a vident— be seeing it on fire during a violent protests? or for another— violent protests? or for another issue, what would make you want — another issue, what would make you want to support a cause that— you want to support a cause that causes pain and misery to other— that causes pain and misery to other people? that's not the way— other people? that's not the way forward. violent conduct
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during — way forward. violent conduct during a _ way forward. violent conduct during a protest is always avoidable. i'm not against the protest — avoidable. i'm not against the protest or— avoidable. i'm not against the protest or the right to protest. i believe the right to protest — protest. i believe the right to protest or demonstrate is fundamental in society, but to connect — fundamental in society, but to connect violence, to loot, that's— connect violence, to loot, that's not necessary and that's wrong — that's not necessary and that's wronu. ., . wrong. opaltometi, civil disobedience. _ wrong. opaltometi, civil disobedience. the - wrong. opaltometi, civil disobedience. the new. wrong. opaltometi, civil. disobedience. the new york times has — disobedience. the new york times has reported - disobedience. the new york times has reported 7% - disobedience. the new york times has reported 7% of i disobedience. the new york | times has reported 7% of the protests last year had any kind of property damage or anything like that, so it so nominal when that happens. however, what is important is that people are engaged in action and people are standing up for the rights. they're making their concerns known, and you cannot do that without taking some risks, without making some sacrifices and being creative in the ways that we call attention to the issues that concern us. and concern the very lives and livelihoods. i think it's incredibly important and something we seen
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throughout history. doctor martin luther king, gandhi, so many others engaged in civil disobedience. they have written books about it and talked about it over the years, so we are following a similar tradition that we see around the world. it's not a big deal, but it's also important methodology because often times, issues we're concerned about go without redress. they don't get attention, and still, we must have the courage —— muster up the courage and say enough is enough. we're going to take some action, going to be creative and disrupting the status quo, because it is intolerable.— status quo, because it is intolerable. , �* intolerable. duwayne, you're shakinu intolerable. duwayne, you're shaking your _ intolerable. duwayne, you're shaking your head. _ intolerable. duwayne, you're shaking your head. the - intolerable. duwayne, you're l shaking your head. the protest weren'tjust in the united states. they took place in something like 80 countries, so a lot of people obviously disagree with you, duwayne. i disagree with you, duwayne. i can't believe what i'm hearing, that opal— can't believe what i'm hearing, that opal is saying it's ok to be violent, it's ok... did that opal is saying it's ok to be violent, it's ok. .. did she
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say that? — be violent, it's ok. .. did she say that? she _ be violent, it's ok. .. did she say that? she said _ be violent, it's ok. .. did she say that? she said civil - say that? she said civil disobedience.- say that? she said civil disobedience. , �* , disobedience. some limes it's ok, disobedience. some limes it's ok. that's _ disobedience. some limes it's ok, that's what _ disobedience. some limes it's ok, that's what she _ disobedience. some limes it's ok, that's what she said. - disobedience. some limes it's ok, that's what she said. i - ok, that's what she said. recorded ok, that's what she said. i recorded on camera and i didn't say any such thing, so it's bizarre that... say any such thing, so it's bizarre that. . ._ bizarre that... you said sometimes _ bizarre that... you said sometimes there - bizarre that... you said | sometimes there needs bizarre that... you said i sometimes there needs to bizarre that... you said - sometimes there needs to be violence. _ sometimes there needs to be violence, that's what you said. we can— violence, that's what you said. we can play it back. fire violence, that's what you said. we can play it back.— we can play it back. are you saying- -- — we can play it back. are you saying- -- are _ we can play it back. are you saying... are you _ we can play it back. are you i saying... are you condoning... are _ saying... are you condoning... are you — saying... are you condoning... are you condoning the violence during — are you condoning the violence during the demonstrations across— during the demonstrations across the states? | during the demonstrations across the states?- across the states? i was focusing — across the states? i was focusing on _ across the states? i was focusing on the - across the states? i was l focusing on the question. across the states? i was - focusing on the question. all riuht. focusing on the question. all right- are — focusing on the question. all right- are you _ focusing on the question. all right. are you condoning? i focusing on the question. all. right. are you condoning? yes or no! let's — right. are you condoning? yes or no! let's go _ right. are you condoning? yes or no! let's go back— right. are you condoning? yes or no! let's go back to - right. are you condoning? yes or no! let's go back to our - or no! let's go back to our questioner _ or no! let's go back to our questioner because - or no! let's go back to our questioner because opal. or no! let's go back to our| questioner because opal is saying she didn't say that. from your perspective in china, what do you think about civil disobedience? the what do you think about civil disobedience?— what do you think about civil disobedience? ., disobedience? the ultimate goal of rotest disobedience? the ultimate goal of protest is _ disobedience? the ultimate goal of protest is to _ disobedience? the ultimate goal of protest is to make _ disobedience? the ultimate goal of protest is to make progress. l of protest is to make progress. we don't — of protest is to make progress. we don't want _ of protest is to make progress. we don't want to _ of protest is to make progress. we don't want to coerce - of protest is to make progress. we don't want to coerce the i we don't want to coerce the government— we don't want to coerce the government to _ we don't want to coerce the government to make - we don't want to coerce the government to make short. government to make short compromises _ government to make short compromises. we - government to make short compromises. we want. government to make short. compromises. we want them government to make short - compromises. we want them to make _ compromises. we want them to make long—term _ compromises. we want them to make long—term reforms. - compromises. we want them to make long—term reforms. we . make long—term reforms. we don't — make long—term reforms. we don't want _
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make long—term reforms. we don't want to _ make long—term reforms. we don't want to scare _ make long—term reforms. we don't want to scare away- don't want to scare away potential... _ don't want to scare away potential... we - don't want to scare away potential... we want - don't want to scare away potential... we want toi don't want to scare away- potential... we want to unite everyone _ potential... we want to unite everyone-— potential... we want to unite eve one. . , . everyone. thank you very much indeed. let's _ everyone. thank you very much indeed. let's go _ everyone. thank you very much indeed. let's go now _ everyone. thank you very much indeed. let's go now to - indeed. let's go now to washington, dc in the united states. your question please. my states. your question please. my question for the panelist is to what— my question for the panelist is to what extent _ my question for the panelist is to what extent our _ my question for the panelist is to what extent our law- to what extent our law enforcement - to what extent our law. enforcement institutions to what extent our law- enforcement institutions and judicial— enforcement institutions and judicial institutions _ enforcement institutions and judicial institutions stay - judicial institutions stay similarly— judicial institutions stay similarly in— judicial institutions stay similarly in contact - judicial institutions stay similarly in contact in l similarly in contact in enabling _ similarly in contact in enabling racism? - similarly in contact in enabling racism? similarly in contact in enablin: racism? ~ �* ., enabling racism? we've heard about racism _ enabling racism? we've heard about racism in _ enabling racism? we've heard about racism in the _ enabling racism? we've heard about racism in the police - about racism in the police force in the united states of black americans, three times more likely than a white person to be killed by the police, so your answer.— to be killed by the police, so our answer. �* . . ~ _, , your answer. black communities are h er your answer. black communities are hyper policed, _ your answer. black communities are hyper policed, despite - your answer. black communities are hyper policed, despite the l are hyper policed, despite the fact that if you look at drug use or other kind of issues, we are using and engaging in different behaviours in the same way as her fellow counterparts, but because we
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are black, we can see that black people are highly policed. we're only 14% of the population. the fact we also see that black people are incarcerated at 40% of the prison population rate versus the fact that we're fording percent of the population, you see the impact on black people. duwayne brooks?— duwayne brooks? opal speaks about what _ duwayne brooks? opal speaks about what happened - duwayne brooks? opal speaks about what happened in - duwayne brooks? opal speaks about what happened in the i about what happened in the states _ about what happened in the states. i've never lived there, never— states. i've never lived there, never been policed by any police _ never been policed by any police in _ never been policed by any police in the states. i only know _ police in the states. i only know what the media tells me, and the — know what the media tells me, and the media says that systemic racism exists in all those — systemic racism exists in all those institutions that have been — those institutions that have been mentioned. but we only get one side — been mentioned. but we only get one side of the story, and those _ one side of the story, and those stories always, always trigger— those stories always, always trigger an emotional response from — trigger an emotional response from the — trigger an emotional response from the observer. once that happens. _ from the observer. once that happens, all rational thought processes disappear in a takes over~ — processes disappear in a takes oven the _ processes disappear in a takes over. the sad thing is that in
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america. _ over. the sad thing is that in america, you can't find an independent organisation to provide _ independent organisation to provide the report that would even — provide the report that would even answer this question fairty~ _ even answer this question fairly. but i live in the uk, and— fairly. but i live in the uk, and here— fairly. but i live in the uk, and here in the uk, we have 43 police _ and here in the uk, we have 43 police forces. the met, which polices— police forces. the met, which polices london, was found to be institutionally racist in 1999. since — institutionally racist in 1999. since then, we've had the report— since then, we've had the report that looked into our criminal— report that looked into our criminaljustice system, which criminal justice system, which is similar— criminaljustice system, which is similar to the judicial institutions in the states. there _ institutions in the states. there was no systemic structure of institutional racism, so basically, this question, opinion— basically, this question, opinion will always override the facts because we can't find an independent organisation in the states to provide the fact. here — the states to provide the fact. here in — the states to provide the fact. here in the uk, we've already done — here in the uk, we've already done that _ here in the uk, we've already done that-— here in the uk, we've already done that. what's your answer than? is there _ done that. what's your answer than? is there institutional - than? is there institutional racism, systematic, systemic racism, systematic, systemic racism in the uk, in your opinion and the police and judicial institutions? the met
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have been — judicial institutions? the met have been found _ judicial institutions? the met have been found to _ judicial institutions? the met have been found to be - have been found to be institutionally racist. the answer _ institutionally racist. the answer to that is yes. in terms of the — answer to that is yes. in terms of the judicial system, there resutts — of the judicial system, there results have say no —— reports of his — results have say no —— reports of his i— results have say no —— reports of his i know, so i have to follow _ of his i know, so i have to follow evidence.— of his i know, so i have to follow evidence. final question from richmond, _ follow evidence. final question from richmond, virginia. - from richmond, virginia. please, go ahead.- from richmond, virginia. please, go ahead. hello. it seems like _ please, go ahead. hello. it seems like we're _ please, go ahead. hello. it seems like we're at - please, go ahead. hello. it seems like we're at a - please, go ahead. hello. it| seems like we're at a global tipping _ seems like we're at a global tipping point _ seems like we're at a global tipping point for— seems like we're at a global tipping point for action - seems like we're at a global tipping point for action on . tipping point for action on social— tipping point for action on social and _ tipping point for action on social and racial- tipping point for action on social and racialjustice, l tipping point for action oni social and racialjustice, so social and racial justice, so my question _ social and racial justice, so my question is, _ social and racialjustice, so my question is, are - social and racialjustice, so my question is, are we - social and racialjustice, so. my question is, are we seeing positive — my question is, are we seeing positive outcomes? _ my question is, are we seeing positive outcomes? is- my question is, are we seeing positive outcomes? is there l my question is, are we seeing positive outcomes? is there aj positive outcomes? is there a tight— positive outcomes? is there a light at— positive outcomes? is there a light at the _ positive outcomes? is there a light at the end _ positive outcomes? is there a light at the end of _ positive outcomes? is there a light at the end of the - positive outcomes? is there a| light at the end of the tunnel? one of— light at the end of the tunnel? one of the _ light at the end of the tunnel? one of the best _ light at the end of the tunnel? one of the best ways - light at the end of the tunnel? one of the best ways to - light at the end of the tunnel? one of the best ways to move| one of the best ways to move forward — one of the best ways to move forward is _ one of the best ways to move forward is these _ one of the best ways to move forward is these movements. | forward is these movements. duwayne _ forward is these movements. duwayne brooks, _ forward is these movements. duwayne brooks, what's - forward is these movements. duwayne brooks, what's the i forward is these movements. - duwayne brooks, what's the best way for people to move forward? be true to yourself. always question your actions. ask yourself, _ question your actions. ask yourself, is what's being proposed your way forward? are you comfortable with what is being — you comfortable with what is being said and done by the group _ being said and done by the group of— being said and done by the group of people you're following? do you have the same values, _ following? do you have the same values, the same wants? if you
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don't, _ values, the same wants? if you don't. the — values, the same wants? if you don't, the outcomes being promised may never be within your— promised may never be within your reach, but because you're emotionally caught up, you will continually be part of a movement like blm, which only benefits— movement like blm, which only benefits those people at the top — benefits those people at the top is — benefits those people at the top. is there light at the end of the — top. is there light at the end of the tunnel, i believe so. are — of the tunnel, i believe so. are we _ of the tunnel, i believe so. are we seeing positive outcomes? i believe so. but to come _ outcomes? i believe so. but to come back— outcomes? i believe so. but to come back to my main point, he come back to my main point, be true _ come back to my main point, be true to— come back to my main point, be true to yourself.— true to yourself. opal tometi. what i've _ true to yourself. opal tometi. what i've seen _ true to yourself. opal tometi. what i've seen is _ true to yourself. opal tometi. what i've seen is that - true to yourself. opal tometi. what i've seen is that we - true to yourself. opal tometi. what i've seen is that we are l what i've seen is that we are making progress, but clearly there's a lot more to go. sadly, with the trial of derek chauvin, we saw that even during that time, black people continue to be killed by police. so, i believe that we have a long way to go, but it's not going to happen unless we join hands together and ensure that we have democracies that are healthy and work for all of us. �* , ., are healthy and work for all of us. ,
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are healthy and work for all of us-_ i am- i us. are you optimistic? i am. i'm starting _ us. are you optimistic? i am. i'm starting to _ us. are you optimistic? i am. i'm starting to see _ us. are you optimistic? i am. i'm starting to see that - us. are you optimistic? i am. i'm starting to see that more | i'm starting to see that more people — i'm starting to see that more people arem _ i'm starting to see that more people arew 0t— i'm starting to see that more people are... of white - people are... of white supremacy— people are... of white supremacy or- people are... of white i supremacy or attempting people are... of white - supremacy or attempting to people are... of white _ supremacy or attempting to have a better— supremacy or attempting to have a better understanding _ supremacy or attempting to have a better understanding of- supremacy or attempting to have a better understanding of the - a better understanding of the realities— a better understanding of the realities of— a better understanding of the realities of black _ a better understanding of the realities of black and - a better understanding of the realities of black and brown l realities of black and brown people _ realities of black and brown people around _ realities of black and brown people around the - realities of black and brown people around the world. . realities of black and brown people around the world. ii people around the world. i think— people around the world. i think also, _ people around the world. i think also, once _ people around the world. i think also, once we - people around the world. i think also, once we start. people around the world. ll think also, once we start to recognise _ think also, once we start to recognise we _ think also, once we start to recognise we need - think also, once we start to recognise we need to - think also, once we start to recognise we need to heal. think also, once we start to - recognise we need to heal from raciat— recognise we need to heal from raciat trauma, _ recognise we need to heal from racial trauma, we _ recognise we need to heal from racial trauma, we need - recognise we need to heal from racial trauma, we need to- racial trauma, we need to empower— racial trauma, we need to empower ourselves - racial trauma, we need to empower ourselves and l racial trauma, we need to. empower ourselves and take actions _ empower ourselves and take actions. ., ~ empower ourselves and take actions. ., ,, , ., empower ourselves and take actions. ., ~' , ., , empower ourselves and take actions. ., ,, , ., , . actions. thank you very much indeed. opal— actions. thank you very much indeed. opaltometi, - actions. thank you very much indeed. opaltometi, one - actions. thank you very much indeed. opaltometi, one ofl actions. thank you very much i indeed. opal tometi, one of the co—founders of black lives matter and conservative activist duwayne brooks. thank you very much and also to my questioners. that's for this edition of global questions. we are discussing what has black lives matter achieved since the death of george loya a year ago. you heard two different points of view —— george floyd. if you want to be part of global questions, submit a question then e—mail us on global questions. until the
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next time from me, zeinab badawi, and the rest of the global questions team, goodbye. hello there. we are seeing a change in the month, but not too much change in the weather. it is staying cold. if we look at april 2021, it's been exceptionally cold the past month or so. in fact, the overnight temperatures on average have been the lowest in almost 100 years, and it is going to stay quite cold on into the first part of may as well. this was the picture on friday. the final day of april brought us sunshine and april showers, and those april showers will be rolling on through the course of the first weekend in may as well. so, sunny spells in—store, but also some scattered fairly heavy downpours. we're in between a couple of areas of low pressure at the moment, this one waiting in the atlantic. that will be more of a pair by the time we
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get to bank holiday monday, but for the here and now, we've got these cold northerly winds drawing in this chilly arctic air, so still cold for the time of year. after that frosty start to saturday for some of us, lots of sunshine around through the day. cloud will tend to bubble up as the ground heats up and that will bring some scattered showers almost anywhere during the course of the afternoon. so, they're going to be hit and miss. if you do catch one, there's a risk of hail and some thunder mixed in as well. still quite chilly around the east coast — 7—11 degrees. further west, 13 or 14 celsius. so, heading through saturday night overnight into sunday, showers clear away for the most part, so clear and dry and cold once again. so, an overnight frost, i think, as we start out the day on sunday, with temperatures in more rural spots getting down below freezing once again. sunday evening's another day of some sunny spells and a few scattered showers. probably fewer, i think, on sunday compared to saturday, but again, by the afternoon, it will be that hit—and—miss risk of catching those
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heavy downpours. possibly a little bit warmer than saturday — up to about 13 or 14 degrees fairly widely. still chilly across the north of scotland. but then it's all change into bank holiday monday as low pressure approaches from the atlantic, so something we haven't seen in a while — quite a deep area of low pressure. although many areas start off dry, the strong winds and the fairly heavy, persistent rain will move across most areas. probably just dry across the far north of scotland, could be some mounting snow mixed in as well. not only the rain, but the strong gusty winds for many of us on bank holiday monday, it will feel cold with temperatures only about 9—12 degrees. bye— bye.
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