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close to orjust below freezing, blue tones denoting where we see frost first thing in rural areas. chilly start to sunday, patchy mist easing away to sunny spells and scattered showers, once again these could be heavy with hail and thunder. all change for bank holiday monday, low pressure expected to come in off the atlantic, wet and windy weather arrives through northern ireland, gradually moving into southern scotland, north—west england and wales, perhaps staying showery in the far north, and south—east england should stay dry until the end of the afternoon. top temperatures 7—12 celsius. hello this is bbc news. the headlines: a change in guidance on care homes. from tuesday, residents in england will be able to visit relatives without having
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to self—isolate when they return. india becomes the first country to record 400,000 coronavirus infections in a single day. five people are arrested on suspicion of terror offences, including a 16—year—old boy, as police target three locations across the uk. and there's a warning that most of the uk's summer music festivals could be called off because they can't get covid cancellation insurance. now on bbc news, one year on from the death of george floyd in minneapolis, are america's racial divisions starting to heal, or are they as deep as ever? hello and welcome to global questions with me, zeinab badawi. the black lives matter movement triggered a bout of soul—searching all over the world as governments
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and citizens examined their attitudes and actions on race and diversity. it's now one year since the death of george floyd, and his killer is behind bars. so, how far have we come in the struggle for racialjustice? that's global questions: what has blm achieved? well, to bring you this addition of global questions, our two panelists and our questioners join us via video link from all corners of the world. let me tell you who's in the hot seat this week giving the answers. 0pal tometi is co—founder of black lives matter, which was set up in the united states in 2013
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to fight racism. an american human rights activist, she was the first woman to receive the prestigious international peace honour prize this year. and duwayne brooks is a british conservative campaigner for racial equality. he supports a recent report commissioned by the government here on ethnic disparities. this concluded that social and economic factors were more significant than race in determining unequal outcomes. welcome to you both, and remember you too can join the conversation. it's #bbcglobalquestions. we've got a lot to discuss. let's go straightaway to our first question from jamaal, who joins us from addis ababa in ethiopia, but his home is in melbourne, australia. jamaal, your question, please. my question to the panelists is how do you respond to statements - like "all lives matter?" that's the typical response i when we mention black lives
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matter in australia. 0pal tometi, all lives matter at the end of the day, don't they? well, i certainly believe that all lives matter, and that is exactly why myself and the two other co—founders of black lives matter created black lives matter. we wanted to be very honest about what we were seeing in our society, in our communities, day in, day out. the fact that black people were being treated with disrespect, were being treated with such violence in every sphere of our lives and we were being treated — and we are being treated — as if our lives, in fact, don't matter. and we know better than that, so we wanted to go out and create a platform and a network that allowed us to come together, to share our concerns, to amplify our voices and call the attention of the world to join in to create a world where one day, all lives might matter. duwayne brooks, fair
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point 0pal makes or not? i think fair point. in answer to the question, do all lives matter? yes, they do. but all of our lives are precious. no—one has the right to life over anyone else. the sad fact is that in some countries around the world, the darker skinned person, black, is seen as a lesser of a person with fewer human rights. the systematic, clear and treatment of aboriginals in australia is a clear example. the media in america, as we don't really see the news feed from australia, constantly gave us examples of incidents across the states where police officers were shooting and killing black people when not under any threat. in those conditions, black lives do matter, and in those situations, the statement all lives matter has no relevance,
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as all lives are not facing the same painful experiences around the world. all right, jamaal, what do you think? more or less the same answer there from 0pal and duwayne, but what's your take? iagree. i think "all lives matter" has been used in a way that forces people i to choose whether it's all lives matter or only the _ black lives matter. that's not what blm is all about. i think blm is about highlighting the injustices faced _ by black communities around - the world, and i firmly believe that only when black lives matter, then all lives will matter. - ok, thanks. let's go now to singapore to carma elliott for her question. what do you want to ask? i want to ask the panelists how and why is black lives matter.
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relevant to our global community, for example in southeast asia? i as we start to seal asian hate attacks, is black lives matter a us uk issue? well, as i said, black is deemed anyone with non—white skin, but the slogan, which is a political one, doesn't seem to have the same relevance outside the us — uk corridor, which is a double—edged sword, in my opinion. the reason i say this is because without political activism, it has no attraction from the public. but it's the same political activism that is turning people off. there is no question that black people around the world seem to face the same sorts of discrimination, and there is no question that a movement is required to force governments to change legislation. but unless we deal with the high percentage of black on black hatred,
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black lives matter will fade away and life will go back to how it was before the us elections. what carma is asking is is it something that the us and the uk are preoccupied with. how is it relevant to people in asia, where they may be more concerned about the attacks that we've seen on east asians. the un has said these are taking place at an alarming rate, as it put it. but those attacks have always taken place. i suppose what blm has done has given it political... it's given it political power at this moment in time. that's what blm has done. but once this all fades away, the attacks will continue and it'll all be ignored as it was before blm started. let's see what 0pal has to say. well, i really appreciate this question and i think it's an important one.
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i think what we know for sure is that when black people begin these types of social movements like we've done all throughout history, every single community that has been marginalised benefits. we see that we lift up all of our communities, so asian communities, indigenous communities, women and people who live in a multiplicity of intersections of those identities, always benefit. that is a fact. what we know right now is that people who are struggling, no matter what their background is, where they're from, they identify with the black lives matter movement. they respect, they appreciate it, they know that ultimately, this is a human rights movement that benefits all of us. let me ask you very quickly, 0pal, because on social media, we had so many people asking us if it's possible for there to be a stronger alliance between blm and stop asian hate, because we have seen some really
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horrific attacks on people of east asian origin in the united states because they're being blamed for covid—i9, "kung flu" and that kind of comment. white supremacy is the shared enemy that we all have. i believe that black lives matter and folks who are part of the stop asian hate community and movement and asian population have already been in deep dialogue for a long time. so, it's amazing to see that there are now even more calls to take joint action. it's already under way. our next question comes from london, where i am here at bbc headquarters. it's from blessing. thank you. as much as i am not- against the black lives matter and taking the knee,
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it is a fact that thesei are symbols the politicians - are comfortable in selling to us. what is the real change we're looking for? - how do we avoid this trap . ofjust embracing a symbol, whilst the real change doesn't really come at all? _ a symbol that is empty? 0pal tometi is a co—founder of blm. are you just indulging in empty symbolism? absolutely not. i think what we know for sure is that our movement deserves substance over mere symbolic action. and i think that is why we've evolved, even refined our calls to action over the years. i think people might be very familiar with blm seven years ago and the imagery and the protests, but what you'll also know is that we've been calling for real investment in black communities,
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real investment injob programmes, in mental health services, in health services overall. we're calling for a divestment, a reallocation of funds from policing. these are the substantive measures, in addition to the policy measures we've been talking about from the local levels to the national level and even international as well. so, substance over assisted symbolism. is blm sometimes sidetracked by symbolism — taking a knee and some of the other political slogans? or is it something that's leading to substantial action? far from substantial action. these symbols, pulling down statues here in the uk, they have no impact on the issues you face in your everyday life. blm was politcised in the us
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as a strategy to remove president trump, and was pushed around the world by the media. but in direct answer to blessing's question, we must not allow our emotions to dictate our responses and our conscious thinking. we should be researching the facts, having intelligent debate and making logical decisions so we don't follow these empty movements that are just about making money off people's misfortune. are you saying that blm is just an empty movement that's making money out of people's misfortunes? well, 100%. say that to 0pal, the founder of blm, on the line next to you. just put it directly to her if that's the allegation you're making, because that's a pretty strong statement. 0pal, i look at blm as the same kind of race hustlers as al sharpton and the rest.
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you just lie down on people who've had misfortune in their life or tragedies in their life, and you make money off that. that's what you're about. this whole nonsense of improving the lives of black people, give us some examples of where you've improved the lives of black people. where in the world? all around the world, in fact. i think you know that. no, i don't. it's unfortunate to hear you say that but i also understand there are people like you who do exist and who share those kind of sentiments, but the reality is substantively people's lives have changed. people have found their courage, they have gotten jobs, access to programmes, different policy changes. where? chicago, new york, california. give an example. we've elected people into office. you know exactly what we've done here, but also in other parts of the world. i don't think it's a small
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thing for people to go to the streets to take action, to call out their governments. we have to have the cultural movements, the emotions are important. the ability to know right from wrong and have a cultural understanding in order to have the policy changes come next, right? those things have to happen, you don't have one without the other. i would argue we've seen many, many changes, both from the policy side... where? she just told you. what policy changes? give him an example of a policy change. we've also had reparations in chicago. we've seen it. there's a lot! we have no evidence of that, where's the evidence? because those are political decisions so where's the evidence that blm made that happen? i haven't seen any evidence of that. what's the evidence, then, 0pal? what evidence are you looking for? there you go.
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there's your answer. there are millions of people in the street and you want to discount everyday people? that's disingenuous. that's really discouraging. there's your answer. let's call in blessing who asked the question as a referee. blessing, you've heard two different points of view there. the question is not reallyl about the sincerity of 0pal and black lives matter. the question is whether she is aware and whether we are all aware - that this creates a convenience for politicians to hide - behind the symbols that they have rightly given, | whilst avoiding the real - questions and the real change that we're looking for, so that is the real - focus of my question. very quick response. while the other caller is mentioning
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and trying to point fingers as us instead of looking at the leaders of our nations and the leaders of localjurisdictions, he's looking at everyday people, trying to discredit their work. that's very disappointing and disturbing. duwayne, very quick response. the actual question is does blm and the symbolism give politicians off the hook that they can just subscribe to symbols without taking real action. that's probably what's happening in the states and blm are living off that because it's definitely not happening in the uk. good, ok, thank you. a bit of a ding dong there. let's now go to china and jintao. what's your question, please? i want to ask the panelists - for their opinion about the role of civil disobedience in equal rights protest movements. l
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do you think it is necessary or counterproductive - or simply unavoidable? duwayne brooks. i think the simple answer to that is it doesn't work, and therefore it is counterproductive. if you have a family business that has a history well over a hundred years, how devastated would you be seeing it on fire during a violent protest for equal rights or any another issue, to be fair? what would make you want to support a cause that causes pain and misery to other people? that's not the way forward. violent conduct during a protest is always avoidable. i'm not against the protest or the right to protest. i believe the right to protest or demonstrate is fundamental in society, but to commit violence, to loot, that's not necessary and that's wrong. 0pal tometi, the role
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of civil disobedience. the new york times has reported 7% of the protests last year had any kind of property damage or anything like that, so it so nominal when that happens. however, what is important is that people are engaged in collective action and people are standing up for their rights and making their concerns known. and you cannot do that without taking some risks, without making some sacrifices and being creative in the ways that we call attention to the issues that concern us and concern our very lives and livelihoods. i think it's incredibly important and something we've seen throughout history. dr martin luther king, gandhi, so many others engaged in civil disobedience. they have written books about it and talked about it over the years, so we are following in a similar tradition, we see around the world. it's not a big deal, but it's also important methodology because oftentimes, issues we're concerned
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about go without redress. they don't get attention until we muster up the courage and gather our conscience and say enough is enough, we're going to take some action, we're going to be creative in disrupting the status quo, because the status quo is intolerable. duwayne, you're shaking your head. the protest weren't just in the united states. they took place in something like 80 countries, so a lot of people obviously disagree with you, duwayne. complete, utter... i can't believe what i'm hearing, that 0pal is saying it's ok to be violent, it's ok... did she say that? she said civil disobedience. sometimes it's ok, that's what she said. i'm recorded on camera and i didn't say any such thing, so it's bizarre that... you said sometimes there needs to be violence, that's what you said. we can play it back.
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are you saying... are you condoning... are you condoning the violence during the demonstrations across the states over the past year? i was focusing on the question. all right. are you condoning the violence? it's a simple yes or no. let's go back to our questioner because 0pal is saying she didn't say that. from your perspective in china, what do you think about civil disobedience? the ultimate goal of protest is to make progress. - we don't want to coerce | the government to make short compromises. we want them to make long—term reforms. - we don't want to scare away potential... - we want them to make long—term reforms. - we don't want to scare away potential sympathisers. -
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we want to unite everyone. thank you very much indeed. let's go now to washington, dc in the united states. your question please. my question for the panelist is to what extent our law- enforcement institutions i and judicial institutions stay similarly in contacti in enabling racism? we've heard about racism in the police force in the united states of black americans, three times more likely than a white person to be killed by the police, so your answer. black communities are hyper policed, despite the fact that if you look at drug use or other kind of issues, we are using and engaging in different behaviours in the same way as her fellow counterparts, but because we are black, we can see that black people are highly policed. we're only 14% of the population. the fact we also see that black people are incarcerated at 40% of the prison population rate versus the fact that we're fording
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percent of the population, you see the impact on black people. duwayne brooks? 0pal speaks about what happened in the states. i've never lived there, never been policed by any police in the states. i only know what the media tells me, and the media says that systemic racism exists in all those institutions that have been mentioned. but we only get one side of the story, and those stories always, always trigger an emotional response from the observer. once that happens, all rational thought processes disappear in a takes over. the sad thing is that in america, you can't find an independent organisation to provide the report that would even answer this question fairly. but i live in the uk, and here in the uk, we have 43 police forces. the met, which polices london, was found to be institutionally racist in 1999.
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since then, we've had the report that looked into our criminaljustice system, which is similar to the judicial institutions in the states. there was no systemic structure of institutional racism, so basically, this question, opinion will always override the facts because we can't find an independent organisation in the states to provide the fact. here in the uk, we've already done that. what's your answer than? is there institutional racism, systematic, systemic racism in the uk, in your opinion and the police and judicial institutions? the met have been found to be institutionally racist. the answer to that is yes.
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in terms of the judicial system, the report said no. so i have to follow evidence. final question from richmond, virginia. please, go ahead. hello. it seems like we're at a global tipping point for action - on social and racialjustice, so my question is, - are we seeing positive outcomes? is there a light at - the end of the tunnel? one of the best ways to move forward is these movements. | duwayne brooks, what's the best way for people to move forward? be true to yourself. always question your actions. ask yourself, is what's being proposed your way forward? are you comfortable with what is being said and done by the group of people you're following? do you have the same values, the same wants? if you don't, the outcomes being promised may never be within your reach, but because you're emotionally caught up, you will continually be part of a movement like blm, which only benefits those people at the top. is there light at the end of the tunnel, i believe so. are we seeing positive outcomes?
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i believe so. but to come back to my main point, be true to yourself. 0pal tometi. what i've seen is that we are making progress, but clearly there's a lot more to go. sadly, with the trial of derek chauvin, we saw that even during that time, black people continue to be killed by police. so, i believe that we have a long way to go, but it's not going to happen unless wejoin hands together and ensure that we have democracies that are healthy and work for all of us. are you optimistic? lam. i'm starting to see - that more people are...
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removing the shroud of white supremacy or attempting - to have a better understanding of the realities of black and brown people around the world. - i think also, once we start to recognise we need - to heal from racial trauma, we need to empower- ourselves and take actions. thank you very much indeed. 0pal tometi, one of the co—founders of black lives matter and conservative activist duwayne brooks. thank you very much and also to my questioners. that's for this edition of global questions. we are discussing what has black lives matter achieved since the death of george loya a year ago. since the death of george floyd a year ago. if you want to be part of global questions, submit a question then e—mail us on global questions. until the next time from me, zeinab badawi, and the rest of the global questions team, goodbye.
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