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we can make better decisions with a little bit more time. with injury concerns over the likes of manchester united's harry maguire, there's chances for others — brighton defender ben white one of four uncapped players in the provisional squad, and having been controversially dropped from the last selection, liverpool star trent alexander—arnold is included for now. we've got some really exciting talent. i don't think we're, for this team, at its peak yet. there's a lot of growth still to come of this team. the last euros saw england suffer one of their most humiliating defeats, crashing out against minnows iceland. but since then, southgate has introduced exciting young talent, giving the team a new sense of belief. we want to go and try and win this tournament. we know we are not the favourites for that. we feel, on our day, we can beat any of the other teams. 25 years ago, england's paul gascoigne unforgettably did this against old rivals
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scotland in the euros. and fans can now look forward to a repeat of that fixture, with gareth southgate�*s side playing most of their matches at home. it's a great thrill for us to be able to play at wembley with fans back in the stadium, and that is something the whole country is looking forward to, so we recognise that there is a part for us to play on our country getting back on its feet, if you like. that's a message you think you can give your players to really motivate them, is it? that they can help lift the spirits of the nation this summer? we will only succeed by winning matches in terms of making the country proud and bringing them together. but we can make a difference in other areas as well, and a lot of players have taken that responsibility on board. southgate has already succeeded in reviving england's reputation — the hope now that his side can capitalise on home advantage. dan roan, bbc news. that's it. now on bbc one, time for the news where you are. have a very good night.
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hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are thejournalist and broadcaster, daisy mcandrew, and the political commentator, lance price. let's take a look at some of tomorrow's front pages already in, starting with the daily telegraph — highlights the outrage from local authority leaders as they threaten to defy new coronavirus restrictions in areas affected by the indian variant. the i leads on this too as it says number ten has u—turned on the new regional pandemic rules. the guardian reports that ministers were forced to climb down after a day of mounting confusion as millions of people were left wondering whether they needed to cancel their bank holiday plans. the times remains hopeful as it teases ahead to two big weeks of vaccinations , they say all over 30's will be offered to book their jabs from tomorrow. the financial times explains plans by the chancellor to stop companies
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listing on the london stock exchange under national security grounds, over concerns of "dirty money". and the metro leads with retaliation by european airlines to what they describe as the "state—sponsored hijack" of roman protasevich's ryanair flight by the president of belarus, alexander lu kashanko. so let's begin... welcome to both of you. lovely to see you both. let's get cracking because we've got quite a long list to get through in this first chat. let's start with vi, lance, you have been a number ten you know hopping sometimes the message and the way the messages discerned by government which is a big old beast, that can be confused, what do you think has happened your? if be confused, what do you think has happened your?— happened your? if that is what has ha--ened happened your? if that is what has happened here. — happened your? if that is what has happened here, than _ happened your? if that is what has happened here, than they - happened your? if that is what has happened here, than they really i happened here, than they really haven't learned the lessons of previous errors during the pandemic
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when the mixed messaging caused them such problems and because the rest of us enormous problems and not being clear about what we could and couldn't do all stopped there was this confusion over whether something was the law, you actually couldn't do it then he would face penalties if you did, or if it was simply advice, it was up to you. that's confusion was redoubled today when it emerged without any sort of proper announcements, nobody actually going to a podium to explain it, there would be new restrictions around the country, including in yorkshire where i am speaking to you from now, and people were very, very angry and distressed about it, and, you know, if they haven't learned that lesson by now, i don't thank you can simply shrug your shoulders and say, well, sometimes the happens in government, it's too serious for that.— it's too serious for that. daisy, the headline _ it's too serious for that. daisy, the headline says _
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it's too serious for that. daisy, the headline says number- it's too serious for that. daisy, the headline says number ten| it's too serious for that. daisy, - the headline says number ten cancels accidental lockdowns, is that being accidental lockdowns, is that being a little bit ungenerous to downing street? i will say, just echoing what lance was in. _ i will say, just echoing what lance was in. both— i will say, just echoing what lance was in, both of us have worked for political— was in, both of us have worked for political parties, and we both know, i don't _ political parties, and we both know, i don't know— political parties, and we both know, i don't know about lance, one of the idon't know about lance, one of the things— i don't know about lance, one of the things i_ i don't know about lance, one of the things i learned very quickly is that as — things i learned very quickly is that as a — things i learned very quickly is that as a journalist from u—turn to assume _ that as a journalist from u—turn to assume that all of these things are always— assume that all of these things are always conspiracy. when you get on the other— always conspiracy. when you get on the other side of the fence, you find out — the other side of the fence, you find out quite two—year shocked that an awful _ find out quite two—year shocked that an awful lot of these things are 'ust an awful lot of these things are just plain — an awful lot of these things are just plain crock. my hunch on this, and it— just plain crock. my hunch on this, and it doesn't excuse it, inside —— in fact, _ and it doesn't excuse it, inside —— in fact, it — and it doesn't excuse it, inside —— in fact, it makes it some ways worse. — in fact, it makes it some ways worse. my— in fact, it makes it some ways worse, my hunch is that this announcement that was flipped out on friday— announcement that was flipped out on friday wasn't anything of the sort. i suspect— friday wasn't anything of the sort. i suspect that was something they were planning to do and then changed their mind _ were planning to do and then changed their mind but forgot to tell the web designer not to include it on the website. i think it's probably as basic— the website. i think it's probably as basic and prophetic as that. then they tried _ as basic and prophetic as that. then they tried to — as basic and prophetic as that. then they tried to stile it out, i suspect, _ they tried to stile it out, i suspect, ofjust this was a mistake, we were _ suspect, ofjust this was a mistake, we were considering doing this, but we were considering doing this, but we decided — we were considering doing this, but we decided it's not going to work, so we _
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we decided it's not going to work, so we are — we decided it's not going to work, so we are sorry, we have made a mistake. — so we are sorry, we have made a mistake. so— so we are sorry, we have made a mistake, so often, these things happen— mistake, so often, these things happen where itjust mistake, so often, these things happen where it just snowballs into something much bigger instead of politicians being able to say, i was wrong _ politicians being able to say, i was wronu. ., , politicians being able to say, i was wronu. . , ,. , , politicians being able to say, i was wron. ,. , , wrong. the telegraph describes it as a farce, wrong. the telegraph describes it as a farce. and — wrong. the telegraph describes it as a farce, and this _ wrong. the telegraph describes it as a farce, and this is _ wrong. the telegraph describes it as a farce, and this is a _ wrong. the telegraph describes it as a farce, and this is a generally - a farce, and this is a generally sympathetic play to the government, although, i think he does get irritated by various rules and regulations. there is a serious point here in the sense that we are going to get more of the stuff after june if the law is liberated because people, there will be outbreaks. so the kind of messaging advisories and the kind of messaging advisories and the strength of them is going to get more important, not less. round hunch as it was a mistake and it's a _ round hunch as it was a mistake and it's a mistake — round hunch as it was a mistake and it's a mistake with serious consequences, don't get me wrong, i don't _ consequences, don't get me wrong, i don't think— consequences, don't get me wrong, i don't think it's a mistake that doesn't — don't think it's a mistake that doesn't medicament —— that matters a lot. doesn't medicament —— that matters a lot as _ doesn't medicament —— that matters a lot as we _ doesn't medicament —— that matters a lot. as we have been saying for more than a _ lot. as we have been saying for more than a year— lot. as we have been saying for more than a year now, the messaging is if it is good, _ than a year now, the messaging is if it is good, we — than a year now, the messaging is if it is good, we trust it, if it is bad, _ it is good, we trust it, if it is bad, we _ it is good, we trust it, if it is bad, we lose all trust and we do what _ bad, we lose all trust and we do what we — bad, we lose all trust and we do what we think we should do, and again. _ what we think we should do, and again. the — what we think we should do, and again, the government has been
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saying. — again, the government has been saying. we — again, the government has been saying, we trust you to do what is right, _ saying, we trust you to do what is right, and — saying, we trust you to do what is right, and we say back to them, we are not— right, and we say back to them, we are not sure — right, and we say back to them, we are not sure what is right. you need to give _ are not sure what is right. you need to give us— are not sure what is right. you need to give us more information and stop making _ to give us more information and stop making mistakes, because if you are making _ making mistakes, because if you are making mistakes, because if you are making mistakes, how are we expected not t0~ _ making mistakes, how are we expected not to. ., . making mistakes, how are we expected not to. . . ., ~ ., ., , not to. lance, maker one mentions that, not to. lance, maker one mentions that. ireiand's _ not to. lance, maker one mentions that, ireland's next _ not to. lance, maker one mentions that, ireland's next on _ not to. lance, maker one mentions that, ireland's next on green - not to. lance, maker one mentions that, ireland's next on green the i that, ireland's next on green the student country remains amber, this will business about the amber countries of the government says they don't want you to go to, but you are allowed to go to, can you get on the green list, maybe you can get on the green list, maybe you can get the islands, not the mainland, you are an international travel, i think i'm right in saying you spend part of your time in france, that has clearly been complicated for you, never mind for those people thinking of going on holidays this year. i used to spend part of my time in france, haven't been able to go back to my broader house there, fortunately, i got that in that respect. there are a lot of people all, i'm not calling people who are fortunate positions, but it's all, i'm not calling people who are fortunate positions, but its people who want to go on holiday who have been told time and again who can't 90, been told time and again who can't go, and then they thought that they
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could, they still can't because the law has been changed, and yet the advice is that you can go but you shouldn't. it's a situation where people do need clarity, and it's all very well for the government to say that we have moved from legislation to trust, that we trust people to do the right thing, and people can be trusted to do the right thing, but the guidance in orderfor them to make thatjudgment has to be absolutely clear, and it's no good dividing countries up. i mean, it's fine to say, ok, the canary islands are ok, but spain isn't. that's a pretty clear distinction, but the more you get into the details of this country in that country and the other country, i'm afraid itjust leaves people bewildered, and they have a right at this stage for those to be made clear. i5 have a right at this stage for those to be made clear.— have a right at this stage for those to be made clear. is the paper says itself comments _ to be made clear. is the paper says itself comments according - to be made clear. is the paper says itself comments according the - itself comments according the minister, but he is saying it is an aspiration. take such an approach to distinguish where possible. i
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suppose there are a lot of things that could fall on that phase, where possible, some the things are possible. let's look at the daily mail stop daisy, this is quite a dramatic preview of something that we want to actually know anything about, really, welcome if they are lucky, the papers will be able to report this on thursday, but the male is not going to let this appearance tomorrow go quietly. know, and we know dominic cummings has been _ know, and we know dominic cummings has been dripping throughout his twitter— has been dripping throughout his twitter feed a suggestion of what he might— twitter feed a suggestion of what he might be _ twitter feed a suggestion of what he might be saying. we know it is not going _ might be saying. we know it is not going to _ might be saying. we know it is not going to he — might be saying. we know it is not going to be pretty. there will be plenty _ going to be pretty. there will be plenty of — going to be pretty. there will be plenty of blood on the floor, but, in fact, _ plenty of blood on the floor, but, in fact, the — plenty of blood on the floor, but, in fact, the point that you're just making — in fact, the point that you're just making about government data and government decisions about which country— government decisions about which country should go on the greener amber. _ country should go on the greener amber. it — country should go on the greener amber, it was one of dominic cummings— amber, it was one of dominic cummings big criticisms of the government, particularly at the beginning, a lack of transparency. he was— beginning, a lack of transparency. he was always saying, be more transparent. and on that some i completely agree with him. with all of these _ completely agree with him. with all of these issues, whether it's the accidental— of these issues, whether it's the accidental lockdown, whether it's
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green _ accidental lockdown, whether it's green or— accidental lockdown, whether it's green oramber accidental lockdown, whether it's green or amber countries or whether it is when _ green or amber countries or whether it is when decisions were made and watch _ it is when decisions were made and watch basis — it is when decisions were made and watch basis with a taken on, if the government has the guts to be transparent and say this is the data we are _ transparent and say this is the data we are working on or this is our theory, — we are working on or this is our theory, i— we are working on or this is our theory, i do _ we are working on or this is our theory, i do think people will be a lot more — theory, i do think people will be a lot more sympathetic and a lot more understanding. certainly that is definitely going to be one of his accusations, that it was a lack of transparency that made him, if he had any— transparency that made him, if he had any hair, pull it out at the time — had any hair, pull it out at the time and _ had any hair, pull it out at the time. and then he surrenders quotes on the _ time. and then he surrenders quotes on the front— time. and then he surrenders quotes on the front of the daily mail, pm wanting _ on the front of the daily mail, pm wanting to — on the front of the daily mail, pm wanting to be infected with covid live on _ wanting to be infected with covid live on tv — wanting to be infected with covid live on tv and other quotes that are being _ live on tv and other quotes that are being banded around tonight that the pm allegedly said it is only 80—year—olds were going to die with a sort _ 80—year—olds were going to die with a sort of— 80—year—olds were going to die with a sort of shrug of the shoulders. these _ a sort of shrug of the shoulders. these are — a sort of shrug of the shoulders. these are the things we are expecting to see, and there will be a lot of— expecting to see, and there will be a lot ofjournalists and opposition mps witt— a lot ofjournalists and opposition mps will be pulling up a seat and grabbing — mps will be pulling up a seat and grabbing the popcorn and relishing every— grabbing the popcorn and relishing every minute of it. the grabbing the popcorn and relishing every minute of it.— grabbing the popcorn and relishing every minute of it. the serious side of this, i suppose, _ every minute of it. the serious side of this, i suppose, profit _ every minute of it. the serious side
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of this, i suppose, profit the - every minute of it. the serious side of this, i suppose, profit the otherl of this, i suppose, profit the other of this, i suppose, profit the other of this, i suppose, profit the other of this, the grenades that dominic cummings relaunched according to the mail, pages ten and ii where people have to buy it for that, because no way we will get the front pages. the serious point is that anyone is going to learn any lessons, we have sort of got to get past that he said she said her he alleges she alleges stuff, haven't we?— she said her he alleges she alleges stuff, haven't we? yes, we have. of course, there _ stuff, haven't we? yes, we have. of course, there is _ stuff, haven't we? yes, we have. of course, there is a _ stuff, haven't we? yes, we have. of course, there is a question - stuff, haven't we? yes, we have. of course, there is a question about. course, there is a question about dominic cummings own credibility as a witness to the public mind because people do remember his trip to bernard castle and all the rest of it and the circumstances surrounding his departure from downing street. so, very unwisely, i think, his departure from downing street. so, very unwisely, ithink, boris johnson sanctioned a bit of a rubbishjob on dominic cummings after his departure, and that has prompted them, really, with a vengeance to have a go back. i think a lot of people well sort of shrugged their shoulders and not be quite sure what to believe because he isn't what a judge might call an
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entirely credible witness, but the detail of what he is putting out there, you know, as somebody who has written about his own time and government and got into a bit of trouble over it, does strike me as authentic and the real risk, of course, for the government is not only is he going to make these accusations, so we will be talking about it, it will be all over the websites pretty early tomorrow what he has got to say is that he may actually have evidence for it in the form of recordings or certainly verbatim notes taken at the time. so this is serious for the government and the sooner we get into a proper review, let's hope that we come out of lockdown cleanly and in a way that the government hopes at the end ofjune, you know, by the autumn, we have got to have a really effective and thorough investigation in place to find out the truth of all of the. the front page of the guardian, daisy, another story that's probably borisjohnson would prefer wasn't
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getting the publicity. the findings of this investigation in the conservative party as opposed to government. it's attitude to muslim tories, some of whom are not very happy with that, according to the guardian. , ,., happy with that, according to the guardian. , ., ,, ., guardian. yes, so the baroness had oriainall guardian. yes, so the baroness had originally called _ guardian. yes, so the baroness had originally called and _ guardian. yes, so the baroness had originally called and campaigned i guardian. yes, so the baroness had | originally called and campaigned for a long _ originally called and campaigned for a long time, a conservative herself from _ a long time, a conservative herself from a _ a long time, a conservative herself from a campaign for a long time for the sopport— from a campaign for a long time for the support —— this report, and she's— the support —— this report, and she's been_ the support —— this report, and she's been quoted as saying she is unsatisfied, because the report has said that _ unsatisfied, because the report has said that there was racism, that there _ said that there was racism, that there was— said that there was racism, that there was islam phobia, but it said it wasn't— there was islam phobia, but it said it wasn't institutional racism within— it wasn't institutional racism within the party, but there had been unfortunate racist remarks stop us is left _ unfortunate racist remarks stop us is left some to say, like the guardian, _ is left some to say, like the guardian, not surprisingly, but like the guardian to say it is a whitewash. of course, in some ways, this is— whitewash. of course, in some ways, this is the _ whitewash. of course, in some ways, this is the conservative party 's anti—semitism that the labour party has been _ anti—semitism that the labour party has been tarnished with over the years _ has been tarnished with over the years so — has been tarnished with over the years. so there is a bit of a
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tit-for-tat_ years. so there is a bit of a tit—for—tat on that one. some concern — tit—for—tat on that one. some concern of— tit—for—tat on that one. some concern of losing candidates of joining — concern of losing candidates of joining other party saying that there — joining other party saying that there was this islamophobia in the party _ there was this islamophobia in the party it— there was this islamophobia in the party. it will be interesting to see how much— party. it will be interesting to see how much of the sticks in the long run as— how much of the sticks in the long run as far— how much of the sticks in the long run as far as— how much of the sticks in the long run as far as conservative support for the _ run as far as conservative support for the party goes, because of course, — for the party goes, because of course, we know the anti—semitism problems— course, we know the anti—semitism problems within the labour party did stick to— problems within the labour party did stick to a _ problems within the labour party did stick to a certain constituency of labour— stick to a certain constituency of labour supporters. i am stick to a certain constituency of labour supporters. lam not stick to a certain constituency of labour supporters. i am not at all saying _ labour supporters. i am not at all saying this — labour supporters. i am not at all saying this isn't important, it is important. _ saying this isn't important, it is important, it is very serious, but as far— important, it is very serious, but as far as— important, it is very serious, but as far as the _ important, it is very serious, but as far as the impact it will have on the party— as far as the impact it will have on the party and the party supports, i'm not— the party and the party supports, i'm not sure it is going to have the same _ i'm not sure it is going to have the same impact. i'm not sure it is going to have the same impact-— i'm not sure it is going to have the same impact. you have both worked for political — same impact. you have both worked for political parties. _ same impact. you have both worked for political parties. in _ same impact. you have both worked for political parties. in a _ same impact. you have both worked for political parties. in a sense, - for political parties. in a sense, daisy, there is a dilemma for political leaders, because often, party structures do a lot to say that local parties are supposed to be independent or at least you have quite a lot of agency under independence, and then on the other hand, small events involving
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individuals can quite understandably tarnished the image of a whole organisation. how do parties deal with that? ~ _, ~' organisation. how do parties deal with that? ~ ,, ., ., with that? welcome i think of a shouldn't deal— with that? welcome i think of a shouldn't deal with _ with that? welcome i think of a shouldn't deal with that - with that? welcome i think of a shouldn't deal with that as - with that? welcome i think of a shouldn't deal with that as this| shouldn't deal with that as this mealy—mouthed apology which is one of the _ mealy—mouthed apology which is one of the things the guardian is picked up of the things the guardian is picked up on _ of the things the guardian is picked up on and _ of the things the guardian is picked up on and is — of the things the guardian is picked up on and is saying like so many political, — up on and is saying like so many political, it's a teenage mum i'm sorry— political, it's a teenage mum i'm sorry if— political, it's a teenage mum i'm sorry if you — political, it's a teenage mum i'm sorry if you took what i said the wrong — sorry if you took what i said the wrong way _ sorry if you took what i said the wrong way with a shrug of the shoulders. you know, any parent of a teenager— shoulders. you know, any parent of a teenager knows that is just going to wind you _ teenager knows that is just going to wind you up even more. it's a similar— wind you up even more. it's a similar thing with, you know, with political— similar thing with, you know, with political leaders in this way, but equally, — political leaders in this way, but equally, they know if they can just shrug _ equally, they know if they can just shrug it— equally, they know if they can just shrug it off— equally, they know if they can just shrug it off and move on and get something out onto the front pages, they can _ something out onto the front pages, they can probably survive.— they can probably survive. lance, our they can probably survive. lance, your thoughts _ they can probably survive. lance, your thoughts on _ they can probably survive. lance, your thoughts on match? - they can probably survive. lance, your thoughts on match? just - they can probably survive. lance, your thoughts on match? just to l they can probably survive. lance, . your thoughts on match? just to pick u . your thoughts on match? just to pick u- on our your thoughts on match? just to pick up on your point _ your thoughts on match? just to pick up on your point about _ your thoughts on match? just to pick up on your point about the _ up on your point about the independent local parties and so on, i mean, it's notjust independent local parties and individual candidates, it's the prime minister, the leader of the conservative party we're talking about who has referenced women in burqas like being... it was deeply offensive and
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