voting has closed in iran's presidential election. the new leader will replace hassan rouhani, who was limited to two terms in office. several reformist candidates were prevented from standing, leaving three hardliners and one moderate in the race. a court in belgium has ordered astrazeneca to provide the european union with 80 million covid jabs by september. the eu had brought the case, asking for 120 million doses. astra zeneca denied it had not met its contract, and said it would easily meet the target. the palestinian authority has cancelled a deal under which israel was to give it at least a million coronavirus vaccines. the palestinians said the jabs were too close to their expiry date. the danish footballer christian eriksen has been discharged from hospital — after an operation to treat the heart problem which led to his collapse on the pitch at euro 2020.

at ten o'clock sophie rayworth?will be here with a full round up of the days news. first the media show ...the world's biggest leaders have been face—to—face in a series of meetings. but as always, nobody from the press was allowed in the room. so how easy is it forjournalists to sort the fact from the spin? and do the politicians even want them there? hello. the g7 summit, the nato summit, putin, biden, the world of biggest leaders go face in a series of meetings this week. these are some of the most intensely scrutinised meetings you can imagine. you will have to imagine because of course none of the press were allowed in the room. so how easyis were allowed in the room. so how easy is it for generalist was

specialises in diplomacy to sort back from fast facts from spain? good politician even want than they of course it's a snap on the beach in the family photo. let me introduce you to my wonderful panel of guests. patrick is diplomatic editor at the guardian. naomi is europe correspondent for the irish times. france correspondence political and the pulitzer prize—winning journalist and chief kinematic correspondent at the new york times. he had been covering this international diplomacy from your base in brussels. telus argued the only generalist left in the city? the only generalist left in the ci ? ., ., the only generalist left in the ci ? . ., , the only generalist left in the ci ? w, , the only generalist left in the ci ? , ., ., city? naomi is here too. part of the roblem city? naomi is here too. part of the problem is — city? naomi is here too. part of the problem is that _ city? naomi is here too. part of the problem is that covid-19 _ city? naomi is here too. part of the problem is that covid-19 made - city? naomi is here too. part of the problem is that covid-19 made it i problem is that covid—i9 made it very hard to travel. so if you want to go bouncing around, you need to have a whole separate now is for all of the tests. and you have to worry about quarantine and we have enough

people on the white house pain and so on and we had someone in london to cover parts and moscow covered geneva and i was here in brussels. so there is still some people here, yes. 50 so there is still some people here, es, y., ., , , so there is still some people here, es. . , __ yes. so you have been very busy. naomi you _ yes. so you have been very busy. naomi you managed _ yes. so you have been very busy. naomi you managed to _ yes. so you have been very busy. naomi you managed to get - yes. so you have been very busy. naomi you managed to get to - yes. so you have been very busy. i naomi you managed to get to some yes. so you have been very busy. - naomi you managed to get to some of the sonics? in naomi you managed to get to some of the sonics? ., ., the sonics? in general, over the ast the sonics? in general, over the past year _ the sonics? in general, over the past year most _ the sonics? in general, over the past year most of _ the sonics? in general, over the past year most of the _ the sonics? in general, over the past year most of the events - the sonics? in general, over the past year most of the events in | past year most of the events in brussels — past year most of the events in brussels have been remote and they really _ brussels have been remote and they really reduce the contact between genetics _ really reduce the contact between genetics and top leadership and also things— genetics and top leadership and also things like _ genetics and top leadership and also things like the dedication that countries are not to bring with them — countries are not to bring with them it— countries are not to bring with them. it has been a bit different rather_ them. it has been a bit different rather than being gathered together in press _ rather than being gathered together in press rooms and press facilities where _ in press rooms and press facilities where everybody has got their laptops — where everybody has got their laptops and so on of the summits are in laptops and so on of the summits are mour— laptops and so on of the summits are in your own _ laptops and so on of the summits are in your own apartment covering it from _ in your own apartment covering it from your— in your own apartment covering it from your laptop and coordinating over the _ from your laptop and coordinating over the phone with people. and sometimes press conferences and so on will— sometimes press conferences and so on will resume or it dipping in on live streams and it's quite a

differeht_ live streams and it's quite a different experience. i think there's— different experience. i think there's pros and cons to both. yes. i know there's pros and cons to both. yes. i know you — there's pros and cons to both. yes. i know you are _ there's pros and cons to both. yes. i know you are in _ there's pros and cons to both. yes. i know you are in cornwall - there's pros and cons to both. yes i know you are in cornwall for the g7 but where you now? film i know you are in cornwall for the g7 but where you now?— i know you are in cornwall for the g7 but where you now? am i back in paris, god. — g7 but where you now? am i back in paris, god. got _ g7 but where you now? am i back in paris, god. got back— g7 but where you now? am i back in paris, god. got back home. - g7 but where you now? am i back in paris, god. got back home. after i g7 but where you now? am i back in paris, god. got back home. after a l paris, god. got back home. aftera lon- paris, god. got back home. aftera tong few— paris, god. got back home. aftera tong few days — paris, god. got back home. aftera tong few days on _ paris, god. got back home. aftera long few days on the _ paris, god. got back home. aftera long few days on the road - paris, god. got back home. aftera long few days on the road and - paris, god. got back home. aftera long few days on the road and very| long few days on the road and very little sleep — long few days on the road and very little sleep-— little sleep. patrick, you might as well i little sleep. patrick, you might as well i hear? _ little sleep. patrick, you might as welll hear? i— little sleep. patrick, you might as well i hear? i took _ little sleep. patrick, you might as well i hear? i took the _ little sleep. patrick, you might as well i hear? i took the 19 - little sleep. patrick, you might as well i hear? i took the 19 hour - welll hear? i took the 19 hour train journey _ welll hear? i took the 19 hour train journey to _ welll hear? i took the 19 hour train journey to cornwall - welll hear? i took the 19 hour train journey to cornwall and i well i hear? i took the 19 hour i train journey to cornwall and and you sit in a press room which is a more than 15 minute drive from where the actual leaders are meeting. so you are very much one step removed but i agree that it's been a frustrating year for us and i was hoping maybe using the spectacle to go to tehran for the iran presidential elections and then it became too complicated with covid—i9 codes and timelines so it's been a frustrating time.—

codes and timelines so it's been a frustrating time. also with me today is tom, frustrating time. also with me today is tom. media _ frustrating time. also with me today is tom, media editor _ frustrating time. also with me today is tom, media editor at _ frustrating time. also with me today is tom, media editor at the - is tom, media editor at the economist and tom, let's start with you. and that the peak media sterry of the week, the launch of bgbb was, i am sure you have been watching it. they said it was going to affect appointment to view television. what have you made of it so far? it’s have you made of it so far? it's interesting. — have you made of it so far? it�*s interesting, and more used to writing stories about these organisations going to bankrupt and having to affect families that new ones starting so it makes an exchange to have new linear tv channel. i think so far, the quantity may be a bit uneven. they have got some experience janice by engineer and some of this experience and the budget they have is very well. they are planning to spend 20, 20 £5 million a year which would sustain the bbc for two or three days. so people have been seeing it looks to be cheap in places and it is cheap but it's created a big buzz and he might be happy with that. irate and he might be happy with that. we have also seen some companies pull their advertising from the channel. what is the general reaction? i

think we have to wait a few weeks. the first week you will see teething problems that they have had and you will see more people tuning in then they would in future weeks just to get a sense of what it's like. let's wait and see. i think the appetising thing is potentially going to be a problem for them. there have been lots of comparisons with fox news in the advertising thing is potentially going to be a problem for them. there have been lots of comparisons with fox news interstates which is very commercially successful but fox makes modes of its money in the piece that the charges cable networks carrying the channel. tv news is distributed free so it relies entirely on advertising for its income. and so if appetisers start to lose interest and that will be a big problem. this start to lose interest and that will be a big problem.— start to lose interest and that will be a big problem. this week a parade of bbc director _ be a big problem. this week a parade of bbc director general _ be a big problem. this week a parade of bbc director general appeared i be a big problem. this week a parade of bbc director general appeared at l of bbc director general appeared at the senate committee. they were being grilled on myjanice martin bashir was not fired back in 1997 when he was found to have lied about making documents and they were asked about why he was rehired by the bbc in 2016. the bbc is able to put this issue to one side and focus on

different big challenges ahead? i hope so. this week it was kind of more _ hope so. this week it was kind of more of— hope so. this week it was kind of more of the _ hope so. this week it was kind of more of the same. it was more mp5 getting _ more of the same. it was more mp5 getting a _ more of the same. it was more mp5 getting a chance to meet on the bbc which _ getting a chance to meet on the bbc which much on his way to bbc to quibble — which much on his way to bbc to quibble over this story which was a hideous— quibble over this story which was a hideous plunder but yes, watching it i felt hideous plunder but yes, watching it ifett there _ hideous plunder but yes, watching it i felt there are other things going on. i felt there are other things going on i_ i felt there are other things going on ithink— i felt there are other things going on. i think when people look back in the future _ on. i think when people look back in the future at — on. i think when people look back in the future at this year and last year— the future at this year and last year it— the future at this year and last year it was— the future at this year and last year it was the year when they the biggest _ year it was the year when they the biggest hollywood studio came into direct— biggest hollywood studio came into direct competition with the bbc through— direct competition with the bbc through disney plus. and i think there _ through disney plus. and i think there are — through disney plus. and i think there are big questions about what there are big questions about what the role _ there are big questions about what the role it— there are big questions about what the role it is for public broadcasting like the bbc in this world, _ broadcasting like the bbc in this world, it — broadcasting like the bbc in this world, it is completely new world of gtobatised _ world, it is completely new world of globalised streaming and people will look back and wonder why it was that pardoning _ look back and wonder why it was that pardoning in the press are spending so much _ pardoning in the press are spending so much of— pardoning in the press are spending so much of that time talking about the princess diana interviewed by whether— the princess diana interviewed by whether or not the bbc ship area did the brakes— whether or not the bbc ship area did the brakes —— the lyrics or whatever the brakes —— the lyrics or whatever the latest _ the brakes —— the lyrics or whatever the latest culture were is. i hope he can— the latest culture were is. i hope he can move on to other stuff soon. let he can move on to other stuff soon. let us _

he can move on to other stuff soon. let us turn — he can move on to other stuff soon. let us turn back to the world of diplomacy. it's been a mammoth fortnight of summits and presidential meetings. but despite the masses of photos, this sort of action always takes place away from the eyes of the press. so, steve and give me the nuts and bolts of your job to the new york times. how do you find out what's happened when you find out what's happened when you are stuck on the other side of the door? ., ., ., _ ., the door? you often find out by not sittin: the door? you often find out by not sitting around _ the door? you often find out by not sitting around at _ the door? you often find out by not sitting around at the _ the door? you often find out by not sitting around at the summit i the door? you often find out by not sitting around at the summit itself| sitting around at the summit itself but sitting around and filling people — but sitting around and filling people and a great advantage of the mobile _ people and a great advantage of the mobile phone is it's revolutionised the dramatic reporting. in the old days he _ the dramatic reporting. in the old days he could not reach people and now you _ days he could not reach people and now you can reach them even when they're _ now you can reach them even when they're in— now you can reach them even when they're in actual meeting. so that's a big _ they're in actual meeting. so that's a big help — they're in actual meeting. so that's a big help. you are looking for interlocutors and you're looking for the people — interlocutors and you're looking for the people who have been briefed by the people who have been briefed by the people who are in the room. and that takes— the people who are in the room. and that takes a — the people who are in the room. and that takes a lot of preplanning and it takes— that takes a lot of preplanning and it takes a — that takes a lot of preplanning and it takes a lot of relationships and it takes a lot of relationships and it takes— it takes a lot of relationships and it takes building of trust. it's not something you can do in nh. and not

do well, _ something you can do in nh. and not do well, you — something you can do in nh. and not do well, you can look at the communique and the parts them out and he _ communique and the parts them out and he was — communique and the parts them out and he was about who is making a blunder— and he was about who is making a blunder and who's doing well and respeaking property and what the boss says and the president or the prime _ boss says and the president or the prime minister, this matters. but the reat— prime minister, this matters. but the real heart of these things is actually— the real heart of these things is actually in — the real heart of these things is actually in the men and women who are preparing and briefing the bosses — are preparing and briefing the bosses and those are the people that you need _ bosses and those are the people that you need to get a hold of. | bosses and those are the people that you need to get a hold of. i like that. you need to get a hold of. i like that- the _ you need to get a hold of. i like that. the people _ you need to get a hold of. i like that. the people in _ you need to get a hold of. i like that. the people in the - you need to get a hold of. i like that. the people in the room i you need to get a hold of. i i. age: that. the people in the room are the least important. if the ones outside that know what's going to happen first. . . that know what's going to happen first. , ., ,., , that know what's going to happen first. , ., , , first. yes, and sometimes they were even tell you- _ first. yes, and sometimes they were even tell you. so _ first. yes, and sometimes they were even tell you. so talking _ first. yes, and sometimes they were even tell you. so talking about i even tell you. so talking about tellin: even tell you. so talking about telling people. _ even tell you. so talking about telling people, naomi, - even tell you. so talking about telling people, naomi, you i even tell you. so talking about i telling people, naomi, you speak to people who have their own agenda all the time. there is a lot of spin around this stuff. you hear phrases like a robust exchange of views or they had a frank discussion, how do

you cut through that when you went there? how do you get to the actual truth of it? a, there? how do you get to the actual truth of it? �* ., ., .,, there? how do you get to the actual truth of it? �* ., ., , , truth of it? a lot of those phrases that are familiar— truth of it? a lot of those phrases that are familiar are _ truth of it? a lot of those phrases that are familiar are codes - truth of it? a lot of those phrases that are familiar are codes for i truth of it? a lot of those phrases. that are familiar are codes for what happens _ that are familiar are codes for what happens so— that are familiar are codes for what happens. so frank— that are familiar are codes for what happens. so frank exchange - that are familiar are codes for what happens. so frank exchange of i that are familiar are codes for what i happens. so frank exchange of views means— happens. so frank exchange of views means it _ happens. so frank exchange of views means it was — happens. so frank exchange of views means it was a — happens. so frank exchange of views means it was a bit _ happens. so frank exchange of views means it was a bit testy— happens. so frank exchange of views means it was a bit testy and - happens. so frank exchange of views means it was a bit testy and i- happens. so frank exchange of views means it was a bit testy and i think l means it was a bit testy and i think like steve — means it was a bit testy and i think like steve said _ means it was a bit testy and i think like steve said it _ means it was a bit testy and i think like steve said it was _ means it was a bit testy and i think like steve said it was the _ means it was a bit testy and i think like steve said it was the really- like steve said it was the really important _ like steve said it was the really important work _ like steve said it was the really important work goes _ like steve said it was the really important work goes him - like steve said it was the really important work goes him in i like steve said it was the really| important work goes him in the months — important work goes him in the months and _ important work goes him in the months and years _ important work goes him in the months and years before - important work goes him in the months and years before the i important work goes him in the - months and years before the meeting actually— months and years before the meeting actually happens _ months and years before the meeting actually happens. at _ months and years before the meeting actually happens. at the _ months and years before the meeting actually happens. at the moment i months and years before the meeting i actually happens. at the moment when the news _ actually happens. at the moment when the news lfreaks— actually happens. at the moment when the news breaks that _ actually happens. at the moment when the news breaks that is _ actually happens. at the moment when the news breaks that is not _ actually happens. at the moment when the news breaks that is not the - actually happens. at the moment when the news breaks that is not the time i the news breaks that is not the time when _ the news breaks that is not the time when someone _ the news breaks that is not the time when someone who _ the news breaks that is not the time when someone who does _ the news breaks that is not the time when someone who does not - the news breaks that is not the time when someone who does not know i the news breaks that is not the time i when someone who does not know you is going _ when someone who does not know you is going to _ when someone who does not know you is going to answer _ when someone who does not know you is going to answer a _ when someone who does not know you is going to answer a call— when someone who does not know you is going to answer a call or— when someone who does not know you is going to answer a call or a _ when someone who does not know you is going to answer a call or a text - is going to answer a call or a text so you _ is going to answer a call or a text so you have — is going to answer a call or a text so you have to— is going to answer a call or a text so you have to have _ is going to answer a call or a text so you have to have those - is going to answer a call or a text. so you have to have those existing relationships— so you have to have those existing relationships in— so you have to have those existing relationships in place _ so you have to have those existing relationships in place long - so you have to have those existing relationships in place long before. relationships in place long before and also — relationships in place long before and also those _ relationships in place long before and also those relationships i relationships in place long before and also those relationships of. and also those relationships of trust _ and also those relationships of trust and — and also those relationships of trust and understanding - and also those relationships of trust and understanding about| and also those relationships of- trust and understanding about where those _ trust and understanding about where those people — trust and understanding about where those people are _ trust and understanding about where those people are coming _ trust and understanding about where those people are coming from - trust and understanding about where those people are coming from and i those people are coming from and what their— those people are coming from and what theiranger_ those people are coming from and what their anger is _ those people are coming from and what their anger is and _ those people are coming from and what their anger is and that - those people are coming from and what their anger is and that will. what their anger is and that will help you — what their anger is and that will help you to— what their anger is and that will help you to evaluate _ what their anger is and that will help you to evaluate what - what their anger is and that will help you to evaluate what you i what their anger is and that will. help you to evaluate what you find out. help you to evaluate what you find out being — help you to evaluate what you find out. being physically— help you to evaluate what you find out. being physically present- help you to evaluate what you find out. being physically present or. help you to evaluate what you find j out. being physically present or as close _ out. being physically present or as close to _ out. being physically present or as close to the — out. being physically present or as close to the meeting _ out. being physically present or as close to the meeting as _ out. being physically present or as close to the meeting as possible . out. being physically present or asj close to the meeting as possible is useful— close to the meeting as possible is useful for— close to the meeting as possible is useful for things _ close to the meeting as possible is useful for things like _ close to the meeting as possible is useful for things like picking - close to the meeting as possible is useful for things like picking up. useful for things like picking up the atmosphere _ useful for things like picking up the atmosphere and _ useful for things like picking up the atmosphere and if - useful for things like picking up the atmosphere and if a - useful for things like picking up| the atmosphere and if a worried official— the atmosphere and if a worried official went _ the atmosphere and if a worried official went out _ the atmosphere and if a worried official went out back— the atmosphere and if a worried official went out back and - the atmosphere and if a worried official went out back and tell i the atmosphere and if a worried i official went out back and tell you a lot _ official went out back and tell you a lot and — official went out back and tell you a lot. and then _ official went out back and tell you

a lot. and then also _ official went out back and tell you a lot. and then also what's - official went out back and tell you a lot. and then also what's really| a lot. and then also what's really important — a lot. and then also what's really important about— a lot. and then also what's really important about it _ a lot. and then also what's really important about it is _ a lot. and then also what's really important about it is when - a lot. and then also what's really important about it is when you i a lot. and then also what's really| important about it is when you do have _ important about it is when you do have access — important about it is when you do have access to _ important about it is when you do have access to the _ important about it is when you do have access to the legionaries i have access to the legionaries having — have access to the legionaries having the _ have access to the legionaries having the opportunity- have access to the legionaries having the opportunity to i have access to the legionaries having the opportunity to askl have access to the legionaries i having the opportunity to ask them guestions — having the opportunity to ask them questions because _ having the opportunity to ask them questions because sometimes- having the opportunity to ask them questions because sometimes of. questions because sometimes of hesitation— questions because sometimes of hesitation and _ questions because sometimes of hesitation and inability— questions because sometimes of hesitation and inability to - questions because sometimes of| hesitation and inability to answer questions because sometimes of. hesitation and inability to answer a question— hesitation and inability to answer a question i'm — hesitation and inability to answer a question i'm just— hesitation and inability to answer a question i'm just catching - hesitation and inability to answer a question i'm just catching them i hesitation and inability to answer a question i'm just catching them off guard _ question i'm just catching them off guard will— question i'm just catching them off guard will tell _ question i'm just catching them off guard will tell an— question i'm just catching them off guard will tell an awful— question i'm just catching them off guard will tell an awful lot - question i'm just catching them off guard will tell an awful lot about i guard will tell an awful lot about what _ guard will tell an awful lot about what happened _ guard will tell an awful lot about what happened as _ guard will tell an awful lot about what happened as well. - guard will tell an awful lot about what happened as well. and i guard will tell an awful lot about what happened as well. and the | guard will tell an awful lot about i what happened as well. and the issue with the _ what happened as well. and the issue with the summits _ what happened as well. and the issue with the summits going _ what happened as well. and the issue with the summits going more - what happened as well. and the issue with the summits going more behindl with the summits going more behind closed _ with the summits going more behind closed doors — with the summits going more behind closed doors during _ with the summits going more behind closed doors during covid—19- with the summits going more behind closed doors during covid—19 is- with the summits going more behind closed doors during covid—19 is that. closed doors during covid—19 is that the more _ closed doors during covid—19 is that the more controlled _ closed doors during covid—19 is that the more controlled circumstances. the more controlled circumstances and the _ the more controlled circumstances and the environment _ the more controlled circumstances and the environment is _ the more controlled circumstances and the environment is about- the more controlled circumstances and the environment is about the. and the environment is about the access— and the environment is about the access of— and the environment is about the access of genetics _ and the environment is about the access of genetics more - and the environment is about the access of genetics more pressure that can — access of genetics more pressure that can be — access of genetics more pressure that can be put _ access of genetics more pressure that can be put on _ access of genetics more pressure that can be put on genetics - access of genetics more pressure that can be put on genetics to i access of genetics more pressure. that can be put on genetics to play and restricted _ that can be put on genetics to play and restricted the _ that can be put on genetics to play and restricted the number- that can be put on genetics to play and restricted the number and i that can be put on genetics to playj and restricted the number and just chose _ and restricted the number and just chose six _ and restricted the number and just chose six or— and restricted the number and just chose six or something _ and restricted the number and just chose six or something like - and restricted the number and just chose six or something like that i and restricted the number and just. chose six or something like that and those _ chose six or something like that and those generalists_ chose six or something like that and those generalists are _ chose six or something like that and those generalists are under- chose six or something like that andl those generalists are under pressure to ask— those generalists are under pressure to ask questions _ those generalists are under pressure to ask questions that _ those generalists are under pressure to ask questions that are _ those generalists are under pressure to ask questions that are friendly i to ask questions that are friendly so there — to ask questions that are friendly so there asked _ to ask questions that are friendly so there asked again. _ to ask questions that are friendly so there asked again. and - to ask questions that are friendly so there asked again. and it's i to ask questions that are friendly so there asked again. and it's a i so there asked again. and it's a really— so there asked again. and it's a really noxious _ so there asked again. and it's a really noxious dynamically- so there asked again. and it's a really noxious dynamically and. so there asked again. and it's a i really noxious dynamically and it's important — really noxious dynamically and it's important to — really noxious dynamically and it's important to have _ really noxious dynamically and it's important to have broad _ really noxious dynamically and it's important to have broad access. . really noxious dynamically and it's i important to have broad access. like i say, _ important to have broad access. like i say, it's— important to have broad access. like i say. it's really— important to have broad access. like i say, it's really important— important to have broad access. like i say, it's really important and - important to have broad access. like i say, it's really important and it i i say, it's really important and it is and _ i say, it's really important and it is and is — i say, it's really important and it is and is done _ i say, it's really important and it is and is done away _ i say, it's really important and it is and is done away from - i say, it's really important and it is and is done away from the i is and is done away from the location _ is and is done away from the location and _ is and is done away from the location and is _ is and is done away from the location and is done - is and is done away from the l location and is done remotely is and is done away from the i location and is done remotely on is and is done away from the - location and is done remotely on the phone _ location and is done remotely on the phone to _ location and is done remotely on the phone to people _ location and is done remotely on the phone to people and _ location and is done remotely on the phone to people and that's - location and is done remotely on the phone to people and that's where i location and is done remotely on the phone to people and that's where a . phone to people and that's where a lot of— phone to people and that's where a lot of the _ phone to people and that's where a lot of the really— phone to people and that's where a lot of the really good _ phone to people and that's where a lot of the really good digging - phone to people and that's where a lot of the really good digging of i lot of the really good digging of sources— lot of the really good digging of sources and _ lot of the really good digging of sources and original— lot of the really good digging of sources and original stuff - lot of the really good digging of sources and original stuff is. i lot of the really good digging of| sources and original stuff is. i’m“ sources and original stuff is. i'm lad ou sources and original stuff is. glad you mentioned that. we'll

sources and original stuff is.“ glad you mentioned that. we'll touch on that later. you say a lot of work goes into the months and months before that. stephen, is being a diplomatic agenda list a bit like being in actual diplomats? how do you cultivate sources on both sides? and how it is not because you actually have more agency and your area of responsibility is wider and it's actually you have more ability to move in and out and you probably have more access to a diplomatic bosses than the actual diplomat still. now part of a piece the power of our institution. i work for very important newspaper so everyone wants to spin us in a certain way. that is interesting. essentially these people are not your friends but you are having to cultivate a very trusting relationship with them. you have won a pulitzer prize for your work on russia. how easy did you find that finding sources

within the kremlin? i did you find that finding sources within the kremlin?— did you find that finding sources within the kremlin? i was in russia at a very nice _ within the kremlin? i was in russia at a very nice time. _ within the kremlin? i was in russia at a very nice time. i _ within the kremlin? i was in russia at a very nice time. i went - within the kremlin? i was in russia at a very nice time. i went with i at a very nice time. i went with margaret— at a very nice time. i went with margaret thatcher in 85 when gorbachev came to power but at least there for— gorbachev came to power but at least there for the new york times that there for the new york times that the collapse of the soviet union and the collapse of the soviet union and the first— the collapse of the soviet union and the first four years in the place is really— the first four years in the place is really up — the first four years in the place is really up and you could talk to people — really up and you could talk to people and it's much harder now. i think— people and it's much harder now. i think it's _ people and it's much harder now. i think it's really difficult now but then— think it's really difficult now but then you — think it's really difficult now but then you could it's almost like covering — then you could it's almost like covering palestine. people will talk to you _ covering palestine. people will talk to you and — covering palestine. people will talk to you and they use their names and they are _ to you and they use their names and they are not — to you and they use their names and they are not worried about you and now a _ they are not worried about you and now a much— they are not worried about you and now a much harsher regime and talking — now a much harsher regime and talking to — now a much harsher regime and talking to generalists did not have worse _ talking to generalists did not have worse consequences. i think it's much _ worse consequences. i think it's much harder now than it was then. i feel very— much harder now than it was then. i feel very lucky to have been able to wonder— feel very lucky to have been able to wonder the — feel very lucky to have been able to wonder the former soviet union when it was— wonder the former soviet union when it was so— wonder the former soviet union when it was so chaotic and in some ways free _ it was so chaotic and in some ways free. . ~' . ,.,

it was so chaotic and in some ways free. . ~ ., ,., ., free. talking about wandering the world and cultivating _ free. talking about wandering the world and cultivating sources, i world and cultivating sources, patrick both travelled down to the g7 summit in cornwall but patrick, how close they do actually get to the action? if how close they do actually get to the action?— the action? if you mean by the action, the action? if you mean by the action. the _ the action? if you mean by the action, the actual _ the action? if you mean by the action, the actual room - the action? if you mean by the action, the actual room in i the action? if you mean by the. action, the actual room in which they— action, the actual room in which they said — action, the actual room in which they said they— action, the actual room in which they said they need _ action, the actual room in which they said they need there - action, the actual room in which they said they need there is i action, the actual room in which they said they need there is a i action, the actual room in which . they said they need there is a rare meeting. — they said they need there is a rare meeting. i— they said they need there is a rare meeting. iwas— they said they need there is a rare meeting, i was as _ they said they need there is a rare meeting, i was as i _ they said they need there is a rare meeting, i was as i said _ they said they need there is a rare meeting, i was as i said earlier. meeting, i was as i said earlier roughly— meeting, i was as i said earlier roughly 55_ meeting, i was as i said earlier roughly 55 minutes _ meeting, i was as i said earlier roughly 55 minutes drive - meeting, i was as i said earlierj roughly 55 minutes drive away. meeting, i was as i said earlier. roughly 55 minutes drive away. so you're _ roughly 55 minutes drive away. so you're watching _ roughly 55 minutes drive away. so you're watching quite _ roughly 55 minutes drive away. so you're watching quite a _ roughly 55 minutes drive away. so you're watching quite a lot - roughly 55 minutes drive away. so you're watching quite a lot on i you're watching quite a lot on television _ you're watching quite a lot on television and _ you're watching quite a lot on television and you _ you're watching quite a lot on television and you are - you're watching quite a lot on television and you are trying. you're watching quite a lot on. television and you are trying to pick up — television and you are trying to pick up moods _ television and you are trying to pick up moods from _ television and you are trying to pick up moods from the - television and you are trying to pick up moods from the very. television and you are trying to i pick up moods from the very short slots— pick up moods from the very short slots of— pick up moods from the very short slots of camera _ pick up moods from the very short slots of camera you _ pick up moods from the very short slots of camera you get _ pick up moods from the very short slots of camera you get for- pick up moods from the very short slots of camera you get for a - slots of camera you get for a lrilateral— slots of camera you get for a bilateral meeting _ slots of camera you get for a bilateral meeting or- slots of camera you get for a i bilateral meeting or something slots of camera you get for a - bilateral meeting or something like that. bilateral meeting or something like that so _ bilateral meeting or something like that so you — bilateral meeting or something like that so you are _ bilateral meeting or something like that. so you are a _ bilateral meeting or something like that. so you are a long _ bilateral meeting or something like that. so you are a long way- bilateral meeting or something like that. so you are a long way away. bilateral meeting or something like. that. so you are a long way away but you have _ that. so you are a long way away but you have to— that. so you are a long way away but you have to use _ that. so you are a long way away but you have to use the _ that. so you are a long way away but you have to use the phone _ that. so you are a long way away but you have to use the phone and - that. so you are a long way away but you have to use the phone and you l you have to use the phone and you have _ you have to use the phone and you have to _ you have to use the phone and you have to contact _ you have to use the phone and you have to contact people _ you have to use the phone and you have to contact people who - you have to use the phone and you have to contact people who are i you have to use the phone and you have to contact people who are in. you have to use the phone and you | have to contact people who are in a large _ have to contact people who are in a large number— have to contact people who are in a large number of— have to contact people who are in a large number of different _ large number of different medications— large number of different medications and - large number of different medications and then i large number of different i medications and then there's large number of different - medications and then there's this moment— medications and then there's this moment on— medications and then there's this moment on sunday _ medications and then there's this moment on sunday which - medications and then there's this moment on sunday which was i medications and then there's this moment on sunday which was a i medications and then there's this l moment on sunday which was a car crash _ moment on sunday which was a car crash of— moment on sunday which was a car crash of means _ moment on sunday which was a car crash of means when _ moment on sunday which was a car crash of means when communique i moment on sunday which was a car - crash of means when communique comes out which _ crash of means when communique comes out which is _ crash of means when communique comes out which is incredibly— crash of means when communique comes out which is incredibly long _ crash of means when communique comes out which is incredibly long and _ crash of means when communique comes out which is incredibly long and you - out which is incredibly long and you .et out which is incredibly long and you get every— out which is incredibly long and you get every metre _

out which is incredibly long and you get every metre having _ out which is incredibly long and you get every metre having a _ out which is incredibly long and you get every metre having a press i get every metre having a press conference _ get every metre having a press conference almost _ get every metre having a press i conference almost simultaneously get every metre having a press - conference almost simultaneously and you have _ conference almost simultaneously and you have an— conference almost simultaneously and you have an hour— conference almost simultaneously and you have an hour and _ conference almost simultaneously and you have an hour and a _ conference almost simultaneously and you have an hour and a half— conference almost simultaneously and you have an hour and a half to- you have an hour and a half to digest— you have an hour and a half to digest the _ you have an hour and a half to digest the and _ you have an hour and a half to digest the and try _ you have an hour and a half to digest the and try and - you have an hour and a half to digest the and try and make . you have an hour and a half to- digest the and try and make sense of it and _ digest the and try and make sense of it and that's — digest the and try and make sense of it and that's when _ digest the and try and make sense of it and that's when they— digest the and try and make sense of it and that's when they will— digest the and try and make sense of it and that's when they will be - digest the and try and make sense of it and that's when they will be a i it and that's when they will be a lot of— it and that's when they will be a lot of hanging _ it and that's when they will be a lot of hanging about _ it and that's when they will be a lot of hanging about and - it and that's when they will be a . lot of hanging about and suddenly you have — lot of hanging about and suddenly you have to— lot of hanging about and suddenly you have to move _ lot of hanging about and suddenly you have to move very— lot of hanging about and suddenly you have to move very quickly. i you have to move very quickly. that's — you have to move very quickly. that's true _ you have to move very quickly. that's true with _ you have to move very quickly. that's true with a _ you have to move very quickly. that's true with a lot _ you have to move very quickly. that's true with a lot of- you have to move very quickly. - that's true with a lot of gentleness in your— that's true with a lot of gentleness in your hanging _ that's true with a lot of gentleness in your hanging around. _ that's true with a lot of gentleness in your hanging around. you - that's true with a lot of gentleness in your hanging around. you have i that's true with a lot of gentleness. in your hanging around. you have to make _ in your hanging around. you have to make very— in your hanging around. you have to make very quick— in your hanging around. you have to make very quickjudgements. - in your hanging around. you have to make very quickjudgements. still. make very quick “udgements. still worth make very quickjudgements. worth going and still worth make very quickjudgements.- worth going and still worth turning up? worth going and still worth turning u . ? , ~' , ., worth going and still worth turning u? , ~' �* , ., worth going and still worth turning up? yes, i think so. it's going to net up? yes, i think so. it's going to get better- _ up? yes, i think so. it's going to get better. this _ up? yes, i think so. it's going to get better. this was _ up? yes, i think so. it's going to get better. this was pretty - up? yes, i think so. it's going to i get better. this was pretty much up? yes, i think so. it's going to - get better. this was pretty much the first physical— get better. this was pretty much the first physical summit— get better. this was pretty much the first physical summit we _ get better. this was pretty much the first physical summit we had - get better. this was pretty much the first physical summit we had of- get better. this was pretty much the first physical summit we had of any. first physical summit we had of any stature _ first physical summit we had of any stature and — first physical summit we had of any stature and it — first physical summit we had of any stature and it was _ first physical summit we had of any stature and it was really _ first physical summit we had of any stature and it was really about - first physical summit we had of any stature and it was really about thei stature and it was really about the idea of— stature and it was really about the idea of a _ stature and it was really about the idea of a multilateralism - stature and it was really about the idea of a multilateralism being - idea of a multilateralism being back — idea of a multilateralism being back and _ idea of a multilateralism being back. and agendas _ idea of a multilateralism being back. and agendas about - idea of a multilateralism being back. and agendas about whati idea of a multilateralism being. back. and agendas about what we idea of a multilateralism being - back. and agendas about what we do about— back. and agendas about what we do about china — back. and agendas about what we do about china and _ back. and agendas about what we do about china and how— back. and agendas about what we do about china and how is— back. and agendas about what we do about china and how is boris- back. and agendas about what we do about china and how is boris doing . about china and how is boris doing and how— about china and how is boris doing and how we — about china and how is boris doing and how we are _ about china and how is boris doing and how we are all— about china and how is boris doing and how we are all getting - about china and how is boris doing and how we are all getting on- about china and how is boris doing i and how we are all getting on sorry, how mr— and how we are all getting on sorry, how mrjohnson _ and how we are all getting on sorry, how mrjohnson was _ and how we are all getting on sorry, how mrjohnson was doing - and how we are all getting on sorry, how mrjohnson was doing and - and how we are all getting on sorry, how mrjohnson was doing and etc l and how we are all getting on sorry, . how mrjohnson was doing and etc but the kernet— how mrjohnson was doing and etc but the kernel of— how mrjohnson was doing and etc but the kernel of a — how mrjohnson was doing and etc but the kernel of a two _ how mrjohnson was doing and etc but the kernel of a two is— how mrjohnson was doing and etc but the kernel of a two is that _ how mrjohnson was doing and etc but the kernel of a two is that this - how mrjohnson was doing and etc but the kernel of a two is that this was - the kernel of a two is that this was the kernel of a two is that this was the first— the kernel of a two is that this was the first physical— the kernel of a two is that this was the first physical summit - the kernel of a two is that this was the first physical summit and - the kernel of a two is that this was the first physical summit and thisi the first physical summit and this was the _ the first physical summit and this was the arrival— the first physical summit and this was the arrival of _ the first physical summit and this was the arrival ofjoe _ the first physical summit and this was the arrival ofjoe biden - the first physical summit and this was the arrival ofjoe biden in- was the arrival ofjoe biden in europe — was the arrival ofjoe biden in europe and _ was the arrival ofjoe biden in europe and this _ was the arrival ofjoe biden in europe and this is _ was the arrival ofjoe biden in europe and this is the - was the arrival ofjoe biden in europe and this is the returni was the arrival ofjoe biden in. europe and this is the return of multilateralism _ europe and this is the return of multilateralism at— europe and this is the return of multilateralism at the - europe and this is the return of| multilateralism at the trumpet. thats— multilateralism at the trumpet. that's realty— multilateralism at the trumpet. that's really what _ multilateralism at the trumpet. that's really what this -

multilateralism at the trumpet. that's really what this event. multilateralism at the trumpet. i that's really what this event was about _ that's really what this event was about the — that's really what this event was about. the fact _ that's really what this event was about. the fact that _ that's really what this event was about. the fact that it _ that's really what this event was about. the fact that it was - about. the fact that it was happening _ about. the fact that it was happening "— about. the fact that it was happening. —— trump. - about. the fact that it was happening. -- trump. naomi and stehen happening. -- trump. naomi and stephen touched _ happening. -- trump. naomi and stephen touched upon _ happening. -- trump. naomi and stephen touched upon this - happening. -- trump. naomi and| stephen touched upon this earlier that this groundwork and preparation that this groundwork and preparation that goes into the months before estimate like this, but how muchjen nathan can you actually do once you right here? you are very sensitive ask questions and find out answers. you can actually do a lot of genetics and but it also means you have to be hustling the entire time. you also need to be harassing sometimes some of dead people that you know. for example, i did get to go to the site where the areas where meeting which was as patrick was saying 55 minutes drive away but that's because i had been talking to the french presidency folks spend days about wanting to be there at the top of the bilateral meeting

between president and president biden and those spots are very scarce and there's a lot of competition to get one of them. i didn't get that spot. we were about four on the french side and who perhaps don't understand, why do you want to be there? it's important to be there to see for yourself the body language, to pick up on some things that perhaps are not on camera, especially for such an important first meeting. it's the first time that president and president biden were meeting and also when you find that he get there you get maybe a couple of minutes with one of the important advisers who is going to be basically the person who is to your questions and it's good for them to see you and it's good for them to see you and it's good for you to say hello so you have to do that. and then you spend a lot of time and lots of frustration and i have to sayjust in terms of this g7 if i may, this was supposed to be and this is supposed to be the meeting of the richest democracies in the world and

are busy a democracy the role of genetics and access to information is extremely important. i thought it was quite a bizarre decision on the side of the british coast to decide to basically park forjanice so far away that we were cut off from the normal accessory should be getting. he did not seem like the best example or message to be sending. it example or message to be sending. it does come back to that in a second because i think we have got a clip of the meeting you're talking about between joe of the meeting you're talking about betweenjoe biden and micron regular trying to ask question at the end of a photo opportunity. let's play it now. ., . ~ , ., . now. provide the backbone and su ort now. provide the backbone and sopport for— now. provide the backbone and support for nato _ now. provide the backbone and support for nato and _ now. provide the backbone and support for nato and so - now. provide the backbone and support for nato and so we - now. provide the backbone and | support for nato and so we were now. provide the backbone and - support for nato and so we were very supportive. thank you. so that is with a us official

telling you to move on and showing you away. you had to have very pushy elbows to get there in the beginning right? it’s elbows to get there in the beginning riuht? �* . . elbows to get there in the beginning riuht? h , , , �* right? it's interesting because i've alwa s right? it's interesting because i've always been _ right? it's interesting because i've always been told _ right? it's interesting because i've always been told that _ right? it's interesting because i've always been told that i _ right? it's interesting because i've always been told that i have - right? it's interesting because i've always been told that i have a - right? it's interesting because i've. always been told that i have a voice that carries and you could kind of hear my voice, and that person speaking in french because i was trying to get emmanuel macron to respond to borisjohnson coming out with this protocol and he could not hear me. he knows me and we usually make eye contact and i was counting on that and the american pool of reporters were just on that and the american pool of reporters werejust all on that and the american pool of reporters were just all screaming at the same time to getjoe biden to respond and yes it is like that and and and dropped 19 out of emmanuel macron saying yes, america is back and of course we were ushered out and of course we were ushered out and quickly and actually the various said well done, you guys are very tenacious. said well done, you guys are very tenacious-— said well done, you guys are very tenacious. ., , . . . , tenacious. how stage-managed is

somethina tenacious. how stage-managed is something like _ tenacious. how stage-managed is something like the _ tenacious. how stage-managed is something like the g7 _ tenacious. how stage-managed is something like the g7 summit? i tenacious. how stage-managed is - something like the g7 summit? when it comes to the _ something like the g7 summit? when it comes to the bilateral _ something like the g7 summit? when it comes to the bilateral is, _ something like the g7 summit? when it comes to the bilateral is, it - something like the g7 summit? barren it comes to the bilateral is, it is stage—managed by the people who run it but once we are in front of them you can hear that was not stage—managed, they expected us to be shouting questions but we will do our best to impose a q&a in boston at that time... but our best to impose a 0&a in boston at that time. . .— at that time... but they also show ou awa at that time... but they also show you away a _ at that time... but they also show you away a lot. — at that time... but they also show you away a lot, they _ at that time... but they also show you away a lot, they don't - at that time... but they also show you away a lot, they don't give - at that time... but they also show| you away a lot, they don't give you the space to answer those —— ask those questions. tbs, the space to answer those -- ask those questions.— the space to answer those -- ask those questions. a part of the game and art of those questions. a part of the game and part of the _ those questions. a part of the game and part of the relationship. - those questions. a part of the game and part of the relationship. we - those questions. a part of the game and part of the relationship. we are| and part of the relationship. we are not but even if you were staying at the beginning, we are not friends, we have a working relationship and sometimes it's a relationship that gets to be quite difficult but that's of a job. we ask questions and we are free to respond or not. patrick, there is a bit of controversy about boris johnson's final press conference but some people questioning why they generalists were allowed into the press briefing. did the guardian have someone there? iterate press briefing. did the guardian have someone there?— press briefing. did the guardian have someone there? we did, and my colleatue have someone there? we did, and my colleague went _ have someone there? we did, and my colleague went and _ have someone there? we did, and my colleague went and she _ have someone there? we did, and my colleague went and she left _ have someone there? we did, and my colleague went and she left at - have someone there? we did, and my colleague went and she left at ten - colleague went and she left at ten in the _ colleague went and she left at ten in the morning and she spent at the

time on _ in the morning and she spent at the time on the — in the morning and she spent at the time on the road and think she was in a holding — time on the road and think she was in a holding pen for a while and then— in a holding pen for a while and then she — in a holding pen for a while and then she was in the room where the press _ then she was in the room where the press conference was to be held and she was— press conference was to be held and she was given the very last question at that— she was given the very last question at that and — she was given the very last question at that and then backing sheep took about— at that and then backing sheep took about eight or so questions. i remember 20 about eight or so questions. i remember20 and i about eight or so questions. i remember 20 and i think he did allow foran— remember 20 and i think he did allow for an genetics because they started to complain that they had not been asked _ to complain that they had not been asked which was ridiculous and the problem _ asked which was ridiculous and the problem is — asked which was ridiculous and the problem is every country has its own agenda _ problem is every country has its own agenda so _ problem is every country has its own agenda so everyone wanted in the uk press _ agenda so everyone wanted in the uk press pack— agenda so everyone wanted in the uk press pack wanted to ask about what was happening over covid—19 because it was— was happening over covid—19 because it was going _ was happening over covid—19 because it was going to be in the announcement coming up and they are trying _ announcement coming up and they are trying to— announcement coming up and they are trying to piece something about that or they're _ trying to piece something about that or they're trying to get into this story— or they're trying to get into this story around sausages, many people dyin- story around sausages, many people dying outside, a police car going by. dying outside, a police car going by, anyway, so there always been different — by, anyway, so there always been different agendas and he finally did allow for— different agendas and he finally did allow for an genetics to ask some broader— allow for an genetics to ask some broader questions. but these no, joe

biden— broader questions. but these no, joe biden took— broader questions. but these no, joe biden took a press conference and managed — biden took a press conference and managed to confuse libya and syria and it _ managed to confuse libya and syria and it confused me in the process as and it confused me in the process as a way— and it confused me in the process as a way somebody is seeking interests. so it would _ a way somebody is seeking interests. so it would be a teryl austin 25 minutes— so it would be a teryl austin 25 minutes to start with and then about an hour— minutes to start with and then about an hour and — minutes to start with and then about an hour and 15 minute question and we would _ an hour and 15 minute question and we would be taking questions from anywhere — we would be taking questions from anywhere around the floor. it's very open _ anywhere around the floor. it's very open but— anywhere around the floor. it's very open. but we are in this covid—19 period _ open. but we are in this covid—19 period and — open. but we are in this covid—19 period and aping genetics connectivity have to make sure out of it and _ connectivity have to make sure out of it and be — connectivity have to make sure out of it and be don't let politicians use the — of it and be don't let politicians use the link out to try and permanently change the access we have _ permanently change the access we have is _ permanently change the access we have. . . permanently change the access we have. , , ., ' ' permanently change the access we have. , , ., " ., , . have. is it 'ust covid-19 or is it a precedent— have. is itjust covid-19 or is it a precedent for — have. is itjust covid-19 or is it a precedent for shutting _ have. is itjust covid-19 or is it a precedent for shutting down - have. is itjust covid-19 or is it a i precedent for shutting down access and i so you raise your hand. what do you want to say? you and i so you raise your hand. what do you want to say?— and i so you raise your hand. what do you want to say? you 'ust want to sa -- i do you want to say? you 'ust want to say -- i just — do you want to say? you 'ust want to say -- ijust math do you want to say? you 'ust want to say -- i just want to _ do you want to say? you 'ust want to say -- i just want to say _

do you want to say? you just want to say -- i just want to say one - do you want to say? you just want to say -- i just want to say one thing. l say —— ijust want to say one thing. this was supposed to be on the world stage after brexit and the fact that the host prime minister decided to only allow journalists who are the host prime minister decided to only allowjournalists who are based in london so the evening that jeanette is still work for international media are people who are based in london and the fact that they decided to restrict it that they decided to restrict it that way really makes me wonder about what does global briton look like and is that the right way to do it? i remembertwo like and is that the right way to do it? i remember two years ago that emmanuel macron host that he spent an hour answering questions and there were people in that room was packed and they were generalists from all over the world has one that should in that situation and that's one thing that really is puzzling to me about this g7. on your question about whether they are using covid—i9 as an excuse to keep us at bay? yes, ioo%. that has been the case for a year now and it's been extremely difficult and covid—i9 is like a godsend for officials who

don't really want to talk to the media to say i can't meet you because covid—i9 and actually there are different ways to get around it. there are encrypted apps that people can use if they want to talk to you and as patrick was saying i think it would be very important for us genetics to hold their feet to the fire and make sure we go back to the way we used to operate before covid—i9. way we used to operate before covid-19. , , , way we used to operate before covid-19. , ,, . , . covid-19. zoom press conferences are a scandella and _ covid-19. zoom press conferences are a scandella and a _ covid-19. zoom press conferences are a scandella and a nightmare _ covid-19. zoom press conferences are a scandella and a nightmare and - a scandella and a nightmare and brussels — a scandella and a nightmare and brussels in particular uses them to make _ brussels in particular uses them to make sure — brussels in particular uses them to make sure that you can't follow—up a question _ make sure that you can't follow—up a question. they will meet and be able to talk— question. they will meet and be able to talk at— question. they will meet and be able to talk at you and they will take three _ to talk at you and they will take three questions and you can't follow it up. _ three questions and you can't follow it up. it's _ three questions and you can't follow it up, it's really annoying and it really— it up, it's really annoying and it really needs to stop because i think degrading _ really needs to stop because i think degrading for all of us and exploit

them _ degrading for all of us and exploit them that— degrading for all of us and exploit them that i am not sure they understand this, it's counterproductive. understand this, it's counterroductive. �*, . understand this, it's counterroductive. fl . . understand this, it's counterroductive. �*, . . counterproductive. let's have a look at some of— counterproductive. let's have a look at some of those _ counterproductive. let's have a look at some of those policies _ counterproductive. let's have a look at some of those policies that - counterproductive. let's have a look at some of those policies that came | at some of those policies that came out from that summit. media editor for the economist, let me bring you in here. they g7 leaders put out a statement that they said they agreed to some reforms to take on the tech giants. the role of silicon valley is something we talked about a lot, are we going to see the g7 nations taking on the might of facebook or google? i taking on the might of facebook or gootle? .. taking on the might of facebook or gootle? ,, , , ., . taking on the might of facebook or gootle? ,, , , .,. google? i think maybe up to a point. the main thing _ google? i think maybe up to a point. the main thing referring _ google? i think maybe up to a point. the main thing referring to _ google? i think maybe up to a point. the main thing referring to is - google? i think maybe up to a point. the main thing referring to is this . the main thing referring to is this tax proposal— the main thing referring to is this tax proposal and _ the main thing referring to is this tax proposal and i— the main thing referring to is this tax proposal and i think— the main thing referring to is this tax proposal and i think that's - tax proposal and i think that's about— tax proposal and i think that's about more _ tax proposal and i think that's about more than— tax proposal and i think that's about more thanjust - tax proposal and i think that's about more than just the - tax proposal and i think that's about more than just the tech tax proposal and i think that's - about more than just the tech firms. as an— about more than just the tech firms. as an attempt— about more than just the tech firms. as an attempt to _ about more than just the tech firms. as an attempt to try— about more than just the tech firms. as an attempt to try and _ about more than just the tech firms. as an attempt to try and get - about more than just the tech firms. as an attempt to try and get all- as an attempt to try and get all multinationals— as an attempt to try and get all multinationals to _ as an attempt to try and get all multinationals to try— as an attempt to try and get all multinationals to try and - as an attempt to try and get all multinationals to try and pay. as an attempt to try and get alli multinationals to try and pay the tax and — multinationals to try and pay the tax and i— multinationals to try and pay the tax and i think— multinationals to try and pay the tax and i think that's _ multinationals to try and pay the tax and i think that's somethingi tax and i think that's something that's— tax and i think that's something that's been— tax and i think that's something that's been brewing _ tax and i think that's something that's been brewing for- tax and i think that's something that's been brewing for some i tax and i think that's something i that's been brewing for some time and you _ that's been brewing for some time and you can — that's been brewing for some time and you can trace _ that's been brewing for some time and you can trace that _ that's been brewing for some time and you can trace that back- that's been brewing for some time and you can trace that back to - that's been brewing for some time and you can trace that back to the | and you can trace that back to the financial— and you can trace that back to the financial crisis— and you can trace that back to the financial crisis and _ and you can trace that back to the financial crisis and since _ and you can trace that back to the financial crisis and since then - financial crisis and since then people — financial crisis and since then peopte have _ financial crisis and since then people have been _ financial crisis and since then people have been wondering| financial crisis and since then. people have been wondering if financial crisis and since then - people have been wondering if there is more _ people have been wondering if there is more that— people have been wondering if there is more that can _ people have been wondering if there is more that can be _ people have been wondering if there is more that can be done _ people have been wondering if there is more that can be done and - people have been wondering if there is more that can be done and it- people have been wondering if there is more that can be done and it wasi is more that can be done and it was

earlier— is more that can be done and it was earlier this — is more that can be done and it was earlier this year— is more that can be done and it was earlier this year they— is more that can be done and it was earlier this year they said _ is more that can be done and it was earlier this year they said america i earlier this year they said america did not— earlier this year they said america did not want— earlier this year they said america did not want them _ earlier this year they said america did not want them to _ earlier this year they said america did not want them to race - earlier this year they said america did not want them to race to - earlier this year they said america did not want them to race to the i did not want them to race to the bottom — did not want them to race to the bottom and _ did not want them to race to the bottom and i_ did not want them to race to the bottom and i think— did not want them to race to the bottom and i think this - did not want them to race to the bottom and i think this is- did not want them to race to the bottom and i think this is the - bottom and i think this is the conclusion— bottom and i think this is the conclusion of— bottom and i think this is the conclusion of that. _ bottom and i think this is the conclusion of that. it - bottom and i think this is the conclusion of that. it goes i bottom and i think this is the i conclusion of that. it goes broader than tech — conclusion of that. it goes broader than tech its— conclusion of that. it goes broader than tech. it's all— conclusion of that. it goes broader than tech. it's all multinationals . than tech. it's all multinationals which _ than tech. it's all multinationals which had — than tech. it's all multinationals which had been _ than tech. it's all multinationals which had been using _ than tech. it's all multinationals which had been using tax- than tech. it's all multinationals which had been using tax laws. than tech. it's all multinationalsi which had been using tax laws to avoid _ which had been using tax laws to avoid paying _ which had been using tax laws to avoid paying tax— which had been using tax laws to avoid paying tax at _ which had been using tax laws to avoid paying tax at all. _ which had been using tax laws to avoid paying tax at all. i - which had been using tax laws to avoid paying tax at all. i think. avoid paying tax at all. i think more — avoid paying tax at all. i think more broadly, _ avoid paying tax at all. i think more broadly, there - avoid paying tax at all. i think more broadly, there is- avoid paying tax at all. i think more broadly, there is a i avoid paying tax at all. i think more broadly, there is a bit. avoid paying tax at all. i think- more broadly, there is a bit more of a willingness — more broadly, there is a bit more of a willingness and _ more broadly, there is a bit more of a willingness and eagerness - more broadly, there is a bit more of a willingness and eagerness to i more broadly, there is a bit more of a willingness and eagerness to take | a willingness and eagerness to take on some _ a willingness and eagerness to take on some of— a willingness and eagerness to take on some of these _ a willingness and eagerness to take on some of these tech _ a willingness and eagerness to take on some of these tech firms. - a willingness and eagerness to take on some of these tech firms. we i a willingness and eagerness to take i on some of these tech firms. we saw last year— on some of these tech firms. we saw last year during — on some of these tech firms. we saw last year during the _ on some of these tech firms. we saw last year during the election - on some of these tech firms. we saw last year during the election that i last year during the election that both republicans— last year during the election that both republicans and _ last year during the election that both republicans and democratsj last year during the election that i both republicans and democrats were criticising _ both republicans and democrats were criticising social _ both republicans and democrats were criticising social networks _ both republicans and democrats were criticising social networks about i criticising social networks about the question— criticising social networks about the question of— criticising social networks about the question of free _ criticising social networks about the question of free speech - criticising social networks about| the question of free speech from opposite — the question of free speech from opposite points _ the question of free speech from opposite points of _ the question of free speech from opposite points of view - the question of free speech from opposite points of view and - the question of free speech from opposite points of view and they| opposite points of view and they have _ opposite points of view and they have to — opposite points of view and they have to try— opposite points of view and they have to try and _ opposite points of view and they have to try and manage - opposite points of view and they have to try and manage this - opposite points of view and they| have to try and manage this now. stephen. — have to try and manage this now. stephen. are— have to try and manage this now. stephen. are we— have to try and manage this now. stephen, are we starting - have to try and manage this now. stephen, are we starting to - have to try and manage this now. stephen, are we starting to get l have to try and manage this now. stephen, are we starting to get a i stephen, are we starting to get a sense of what they are expecting in terms of silicon valleyjames? i think they are but he's also a controlling person to an at least he's having them and trump did not have them so nowjoe biden is having them every day which is good but his proposal of a minimum corporate tax

is very popular and very progressive and very unusual and aching people should take it quite seriously. that's it for today. thank you to all my guests. europe correspondent for the irish times, chief diplomatic correspondence at the new york times, seniorfriends correspondent of political and media editor at the economist. the media show will be back next week. thank you for listening. it's been a bit of contrast. plenty of sunshine in northern and western areas. a month of rain falling in central and eastern areas. the rain is with us with standing water and

it's putting away any thunder rain in the north sea overnight. more comfortable night for sleeping and seven and eastern areas as we lose the humidity. a cool night north and west once again. if there's any missed in the morning it will clearly and it looks like a dry weight —— dry bay for parts of england. showers breaking out across scotland. heavy across southern counties into the afternoon. strong sunshine retaining high levels of poly and warm in the south and east without the rain. more rain on saturday night and into sunday. more thunder potentially with some uncertainty into detail as a tracks north into scotland following behind and the weather front is coming in from the south and west. it looks like an unsettled day of the

tonight at ten, england and scotland's much—anticipated euro 2020 clash ends in a draw at wembley. john stones... both sides had chances, but in the end neither could score in this, their first encounter at a major tournament since 1996. a roller—coaster ride forfans watching on big screens in both nations, as scotland managed to keep england at bay. we'll have the latest from wembley, and we'll be live at fanzones. also on the programme... smashing a blue wall in buckinghamshire — a stunning by—election victory for the lib dems, as they take a seat that's been tory for almost 50 years. more summer holiday uncertainty, as italy announces all visitors from britain must quarantine for five days on arrival from next week.

polls havejust closed in iran's presidential election —