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now on bbc news... hardtalk with zeinab badawi. welcome to hardtalk with me, zeinab badawi. africa is going through its first recession in more than a quarter of a century because of the global downturn caused by the covid pandemic. the economic crisis is being keenly felt in nigeria, the continent's most populous country. its 200 million people are struggling with long—standing challenges which have been exacerbated by the pandemic and deteriorating security. exacerbated by the pandemic my guest is nigeria's finance minister, zainab ahmed. what is her plan to avert financial meltdown, as well as help deliver stability? finance minister zainab ahmed in the nigerian capital, abuja,

welcome to hardtalk. so, we are hearing warnings of a third covid wave in africa, where only about 1% of the population has been vaccinated. what is the situation like in nigeria? well, thank you very much, zeinab, for having me. thankfully for us, covid—19 pandemic has been well contained. so far, what we've seen in terms of the numbers is that it is declining in nigeria. between the past three months, the decline rate is about 23%. so it's a good story for us. we're continuing the vigilance of trying to make sure that another variant that would be

more devastating than the one we have had does not come into nigeria. so it's well contained, and we're hopeful that will not escalate. all right. well, glad to hear that. let's look at the economic crisis, though, unleashed on the whole of the continent because of the global economic downturn as a result of the pandemic. so here you are in nigeria, food prices have gone up by nearly a quarter, we've seen the naira devalued by a third against the us dollar in the past year, half your population are living in poverty or are vulnerable. we've seen economic growth has really been downgraded, very, very sluggish. your country, frankly, is at breaking point economically. well, zeinab, there has been a lot of challenges occasioned by the covid—19, and, in our case, also by the crash in the crude oil price. but we've done a lot as a government to contain

the covid—19 pandemic crisis, to reduce the impact on the economy, as well as to provide alternative sources of revenue to the oil and gas industry. and we took, very early, a number of fiscal measures that helped to mitigate the impact on the nigerian economy. we reviewed our medium—term plans, we reviewed the budget, scaled everything down. we had to increase borrowing, because we needed to invest more in the health—care sector, knowing very well that if the pandemic breaks out beyond controlled levels for nigeria, it will have been more devastating for us. so it was well controlled, and we have been able to rein in a number of... ..roll out a number of measures that helped us rein in the slide in the economy. so we did go into recession in the third quarter of 2020, but we exited recession in the fourth quarter — we reported a positive growth in the fourth quarter. we also reported a positive growth in the first

quarter of 2021. 0ur projection is that, by the end of 2021, nigeria we will end up with a growth rate of 3%. 0ur target is to grow to a 7% growth rate in the medium—term basis, and we're well on the way. inflation has been increasing until about two months ago. for 19 months, it has been increasing, but we have seen it plateau. so for two months now, it has begun to decline. the cpi also is on the decline, so the indicators, to us, are good. there's no doubt that you are taking these emergency measures and perhaps the narrative is being presented in such a way that you are, "look, there's this terrible crisis that all countries are experiencing." but the fact of the matter is this is a bit of a decoy. there were structural deficiencies in the nigerian economy, long—standing, nothing to do with covid, and your government has failed miserably so far to deliver. for example, buhari, when he came to power, the president, in 2015 said, "look, i'm going to deliver economic growth rates of 10% per year, i'm going to create 12 millionjobs," he said.

we've seen unemployment quadruple. so, actually, his economic vision is not being delivered, is it? well, zeinab, that is not true. the president came into power in 2015 and immediately, a couple of months after, we had a crash in the crude oil price. there was a time that the crude oil price went to as low as $28 per barrel. and this was following an administration that had put up a revenue that was from up to $100 per barrel, averaging about $70 per barrel. so mr president faced his first recession within the first year of his first term. again, we now have a second recession in the second year of his term, this time around caused by the covid—19 pandemic. we have to now reassess our plans and try to contain the slide in the economy so that it doesn't go back.

the first recession was about 12 months. we turned the economy around by reflating it, despite the low turnout. the investments that we have done in infrastructure and in social development supersedes... ..so is far greater than the investments that have been done by the last administration. so we must give mr president that credit. at a time when we've had little revenue, we were able to do much, much more. ok, but that's the point i'm making — the structural deficiencies which are long—standing. you quite rightly say the drop in brent crude oil prices, but you're so dependent on oil — 80% of your export earnings and half of government revenues come from oil, because you are too dependent on oil. and that is why you suffer like this. and that, frankly, is something that you've known for a very long time and yet still fail to do anything about. you're right, zeinab, the country depends on oil

revenues for export and still does, but we have done a lot in terms of diversifying the country's revenue base. right now we have a contribution of 55% revenue from the non—oil sector to oil sector's a5. before, it used to range from 60—70% from the oil sector. so we have other sectors of the economy that are growing and growing on a steady and consistent... ..on a consistent basis. so we are looking at alternatives to export, because that is where we have the weakest... ..the greatest problem. we are encouraging non—oil export, giving a lot of incentives for exports from agriculture and the mining sector. and several incentives that have been put in place to encourage exports, so that we can have an alternative source of foreign exchange to the oil industry. but in terms of diversification of the economy, the oil and gas sector today contributes 9% to nigeria's gdp, so the

economy is well diversified. we just need to expand those other sectors, make sure that they are sustained. well, ok, so agriculture is the biggest employer of people in nigeria. governments in africa, including yours, pledged to spend 10% of the public... ..the accounts every year, the annual budget. what do you spend on agriculture in nigeria? it's nowhere near 10%, is it? it's not yet 10%, but it is significant enough to have made consistent improvement in the agricultural sector. now, also we're trying to move away from just government spending on agriculture and concentrating on providing incentives so that agriculture moves from subsistence agriculture to agribusiness, where a lot of processing is done... sure. ..and manufacturing is enhanced, so that we are adding

value to our products. but the broad point i want to make here, and i quote iseoluwa akintunde, who's an expert on nigeria from the british think—tank chatham house, "for decades, the mantra of economic diversification characterised attempts to reverse nigeria's dependence on oil with little real progress." and he says that the decline in gdp from oil gives new urgency to this issue. so are you really dealing with this issue with real urgency that it needs? cos he's right, we've heard about this for decades. you are right, zeinab, this has been said for decades. but check the numbers. 0k. the contribution of revenue in the country today is largely from the non—oil sector, that is what has changed. if you look at our budget, if you look at the actual budget performance, you'll find that the non—oil revenue is contributing 55%. it used to be 30%, 35%. so things are changing — not as fast as we want them to be, but we're pushing to make sure that the investments in the nigerian

economy is both from the private sector as well as from the government, with government acting as an enabler for the private sector to invest where the private sector sees benefit. all right. you know very well that investment needs stability, and that is something that nigeria cannot offer — security. since 2009 in the north—east, 3.5 million people displaced, 50,000 killed because of the activities of extremist groups like boko haram. in the north—west, kidnappings, ransoms, 11,000 killed. you're seeing the group known as the biafra secessionists in the south—east also creating a great deal of instability for the country. you know, whichever way you look, nigeria's got insecurity to have to deal with, and it's getting out of hand. it is a very difficult situation, a very challenging one of great concern to the president and all of us that are in government. but we've also put in place a number of measures that is

designed to turn things around. very recently, mr president changed the service chiefs, and also more recently you will see some of the successes that the military is recording in terms of the fight against the insurgents. there is also efforts to begin to address in terms of engagements with other pockets of groups that have concerns regarding the nigerian economy. there is a lot of discussions in country about how we must stay together and work out our differences, rather than trying to cause chaos and fragmentation within the polity. nobody is going to gain if nigeria is fragmented, and government is not the only one that is in the forefront of this. there's a lot of very highly placed citizens as well as youths that are now speaking up. yesterday we had a youth conference in abuja, and there was a lot of discussions around security and the youths, whose future

it is that we are working and planning on, are also taking charge on leading the narrative. we cannot have the security crisis going out of hand in nigeria. all right, but let me tell you what robert rotberg, president of the world peace foundation in the us, and john campbell, a former american ambassador to nigeria, they say, "the government is unable to keep its citizens safe and secure. nigeria has become a fully failed state of critical geographical concern." they're not mincing their words, are they? they're right. they are wrong — we are not a failed state, zeinab. there is a government at the centre, there are governments in each of our 36 states, the governments are in control of those states and regions, and the federal government is in full control, so we have pockets of security crisis, like the insurgency in the north...northeast, like ipob also trying to cause crisis in the southeastern part of the country.

that doesn't make us a failed state. which country in the world today is not having... ..in africa today is not having a security crisis? we have a security crisis, but this is a government that has come to a grip and has a strong hold on the security situation. yet this is another example of president buhari over—promising and under—delivering. he said in 2015 that boko haram had been technically defeated. and now look what's going on. you've still got all the kidnappings and the ransoms and the killings going on in the north—east, because of boko haram. zeinab, boko haram is in the north—east. when the president took over, there were 23 local governments in the north—east that were threatened. some of them were completely taken over by the insurgents. there's none right now that's taken over by the insurgents. they come in from the bushes, they attack, they run away and hide. at that time, we had people who hoisted their flags with some of those local governments. there is none that the insurgents have taken over now,

so that is progress. the president's own party are angry about the security situation. senator smart adeyemi from the ruling apc said in april this year, "insecurity is threatening us. the nation is on fire. "the president must rise to the occasion and bring in people to save this country, or else we will be consumed. we cannot keep quiet any longer." these are the president's own party members saying this. that is adeyemi — one party member. our country is not on fire. we have security challenges, but the government is in control of the situation. they are very unfortunate incidents that happened, but this have very much reduced and improved, and things are getting better, things are really getting better, if you just check what has been happening in the past three to four weeks. so, you talked about the 36 states in nigeria, but there was a meeting recently

by governors from about 17 southern states, and they made proposals for restructuring, for greater decentralisation, to devolve, you know, some of the fund decision—making to the states. and let me tell you what professor wole soyinka said, the celebrated literature laureate, nobel prize winner. he said, "if nigeria fails to decentralise, and i mean to decentralise as fast as possible, manifestly and not as rhetoric, then nigeria cannot stay together." you've got to do something about the way the states are allowed to take decisions with security and how they spend their money and all the rest of it. so, zeinab, nigeria is a democracy in every true sense of the word. we have a constitutional review process going on right now. there is an effort by the parliament going into every state of the federation. every nigerian is able to come to that process

and give their views. at the end of the day, there will be maybe a referendum or some decision on how best to amend the constitution. that's an ongoing process, and we should watch that process closely and see how it unfolds. if the majority of nigerians want a devolution, like you give an example, then that is what will happen. their parliaments at the state level will take that decision, and then the constitution can be amended, we're implementing the constitution as it is, and we're implementing it to follow the rule of law. because that's one very clear suggestion that's been made — a proposal to keep a lid on the kind of insecurity that we've been discussing which is affecting large parts of the country. yes, you are right. so you are leading an initiative to try to bring greater safety to nigeria's schools. you have said that 62,000 schools are vulnerable to kidnappings and the kind of activities that we've seen with the chibok girls a few years ago.

so this is the safe schools initiative to counter the many kidnappings of young people. so what exactly are you trying to do? we have brought all the stakeholders in the country together, and we're asking every state to give us their own statistics of where they have the most vulnerability, we have a general assessment, and also what they think is best in their environment we need to do to secure the schools. it's an initiative that is meant to grow up a plan that shows the various segments of schools and also to raise financing on the back of that plan. the federal government will put its own resources, the states will put its own resources, and we hope we will be able to find partners and friends that will also support by electing to do any of the activities that is defined in that plan. talking of the abductions from schools and so on, we know that, in the north—east, boko haram have been behind a lot of these kidnappings. can you confirm whether the boko haram leader, abubakar shekau, is indeed

dead? because there are reliable reports that say he is indeed no longer alive. can you confirm that? no, zeinab, i will not want to do that, but i can tell you that i've seen very reliable security reports that said shekau is dead. you've also had a bit of a political crisis. we've discussed the health, the social and the economic crisis, but when we saw what happened in october last year, when we saw young people protesting against police brutality, called the end sars movement, and they're talking about the special anti—robbery squad, around a dozen people killed. that really does show the disconnect, doesn't it, between the youth of nigeria and the government? the youth rose at that time — they spoke, and they were heard. and i must say that i have not

seen, as long as i can remember, any action by government as swift as that. because the issues that they put on the table were addressed almost immediately by the president. because there were concerns that some of the things that were reported to happen should not be happening and cannot happen, so that unit was immediately disbanded. there were engagements with these youths, and a number of youth engagement, employment, entrepreneurship programmes that have been put in place now to be able to support the youths that are not employed to alternative sources of work or income that will help them to sustain themselves on a day—to—day basis. it was a very negative time, but it had its positive results, because it gave us an opportunity to reach retrospect and make some changes in the police force

as well as engage the youth. but there's still a huge disaffection, sense of disaffection amongst nigeria's youth. i mean, 125 million people in nigeria are under the age of 25. 0ne young activist, who's 22 years of age, rina 0dwala says young people are just generally alienated from the government and old people are not willing to let go of power. i mean, the disaffection still runs quite widely. i can imagine that, but you know what, zeinab? we passed a law that is called not too young to run, and that's a law that says that we can have a president that is... from the age of 25 years old, you can contest elected office of either the state governor or the president, and also there's a youths progressive forum that is under the ruling party. these is a call for the youths to be given a certain proportion of leadership positions, cutting across the states and the federal government ministries, departments and agencies. so there are discussions going on. the youths are being heard.

the dialogue that we're having is making us understand more what the youths are expecting, what they need in terms of support, also that they can grow to leadership positions. but you still have a president who's well into his 70s, nevertheless, so the principle may be there that you can be a young person and become president, but it's not going to happen, it seems, for a long time. but, zeinab, what stops the... what stops the. ..electors from putting in place a 30, 35—year—old president in 2023? nothing, cos there's a law that allows it now. ok, let's see what happens. yes. but president buhari is out of touch. let mejust give you an example. injune, he said on twitter, he gave a tweet talking about those behind the unrest in the south—east of the country. he said, "we will treat them in the language they understand." now, that triggered a huge problem. twitter removed the tweet, because they said it violated its hate—speech policy. and what do the nigerian

authorities do? they impose a ban on twitter. and this has led to widespread criticism, particularly amongst young people in the country and also abroad. he's out of touch, isn't he? no, he is not. those same youths complain when the ipob lead is saying "kill those policemen, bomb the stations across northern nigeria as well." what about the twitter ban? because a lot of people said this was a bad move. the american embassy in nigeria said the ban undermines nigerians�* ability to exercise freedom of expression and sends a poor message to its citizens, investors and business. this looks bad. we have other social media that are active in the country. there's facebook, there's whatsapp, and we are currently also in discussions with twitter on how to come

back to...operate in nigeria. we're not taking them off completely. it was just to send a message that, whatever they do, if they had been removing tweets from the ipob leader that is asking for policemen and soldiers to be killed, then there would have been a balance. but they were not doing that. finally, finance minister, nigeria's population is currently about 214 million. it's projected to increase to 400 million by 2050. will nigeria be a superpower then, or will it be so overcome by all the kind of challenges we've been discussing that it won't be? zeinab, we have an opportunity to take advantage of our growing demographic. the advantage that we have is that about 60% of our population are youths, and these nigerian youths are vibra nt, they�* re innovative. they live in the it world, in the new digital world that is the current reality of today. so all we have to do is to support them and allow them to bring in their creative

skills. nigeria will grow, and we will be one of the countries in the world to be a contender in terms of it, and also there are a lot of nigerians in the it space, in the digital space all over the world that are doing extremely well. finance minister zainab ahmed in the nigerian capital, abuja, thank you very much indeed for coming on hardtalk. hello there. northeast england had the highest temperatures on thursday. one or two spots going closer to 26 degrees with some good spells of sunshine. but i don't think friday will offer a repeat performance because the weather has been changing. we've seen rain pushing

in from the northwest in association with a band of cloud that you can see here on our earlier saellite image. this is a frontal system and as that drops its way southeastwards through friday, behind it, we pick up a northerly wind, quite a brisk northerly wind in places and that will be feeding cooler air down across most parts of the uk. so, a cooler day on friday, quite a messy weather day really, but across england and wales, many spots will start off cloudy with outbreaks of rain. further south, it should dry up and brighten up with some sunshine and just the odd hefty shower into the afternoon. but for northern england in north wales, it is likely to stay grey and wet all day long. northern ireland in western scotland should see a bit of sunshine. eastern scotland plagued by cloud and patchy rain. a brisk wind here keeping temperatures down to just 12 degrees in aberdeen, similar temperature there in newcastle, may be 20 down towards the south where we could see the odd thunderstorm breaking out through friday evening. and then into the early hours

of saturday cloud left behind. some splashes of rain here and there, minimum temperatures between seven and 13 degrees. now, as we head into the weekend, it is a story of split fortunes. high—pressure trying to build in towards the north and west of the uk. low—pressure spinnng close to the south, the detail will change between now and then but closest to that area of low pressure in the south, there's the chance of the odd shower to break out on saturday across southern england, parts of wales. further north, although we'll have quite a lot of cloud, it will be increasingly drying out through the day. temperatures between 1a and 20 degrees. and as we get into sunday, this area of low pressure will become slow moving across the continent and is likely to throw bands of rain up in our direction from time to time. southern parts of england, wales may be the midlands can see some rain at times on sunday, but for the north

will see more in the way of dry weather and some spouts of sunshine and temperatures bouncing back, 21 degrees in glasgow, a similar value there in london. that is all from me for now.

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