hello and welcome to the programme which brings together some of the country's leading columnists, bbc specialists, and the foreign correspondents writing, blogging and broadcasting to audiences back home from the dateline, london. this week: a valedictory visit from angela merkel. species decline and why it's worth trying to stop it. and how do you live with a centenarian planning to be around for another hundred years? joining us this week: yasmin alabhai brown is an award winning newspaper columnist in the uk. thomas kielinger has been reporting

and explaining the british to audiences in his native germany for decades. he's also an historian. with me in the studio is the bbc�*s chief environment correspondent, justin rowlatt. a warm welcome to all of you. good to have you with us. like all political leaders who pre announce their departure, angela merkel�*s influence has been in decline ever since. two recent rebuffs within the european union: her proposal for an eu russia summit, seen off by poland and the baltic states, and her suggestion that british visitors, vaccinated or not, should be quarantined. the german chancellor was in the uk friday. instead of quarantine, there was tea with the queen. thomas, chancellor merkel suggested that vaccinating brit after her meeting with borisjohnson it might get us a warmer welcome that she received in britain. has her influence been declining for some time and if that simply because she preannounced that she was going or is her cautious deliberative style

of politics just going a bit out of fashion? {iii of politics “ust going a bit out of fashion? u, , of politics “ust going a bit out of fashion? , ., , , of politics 'ust going a bit out of fashion? , ., , , ., ., fashion? of course anybody who would anal sis the fashion? of course anybody who would analysis the day _ fashion? of course anybody who would analysis the day of _ fashion? of course anybody who would analysis the day of their _ fashion? of course anybody who would analysis the day of their departure - analysis the day of their departure and power is automatically converting himself or herself into a lame duck as we call it. you don't expect too much influence from somebody like that. angela merkel come after 16 years, has relinquished power and will leave the state in september. you would describe her as cautious and slow moving policies but when you look at her record, the two most important decisions she took in her time in office where really like lightning overnight, opening the borders for refugees, millions of them from germany, moving off atomic energy. she decided on the solutions without much consultation or advice from anyone. that is why i'm so sorry that today when she met boris johnson, the two of them didn't have the guts to seize the meadow and come up with a joint declaration to

say britain's who are doubly vaccinated can travel without the hassle in europe and johnson could've said those who come from other amber countries and have been doubly vaccinated and tested, they will have to go back into quarantine. they miss this opportunity. she talks about a new resetting of relations with germany and britain. but the one moment of glory, like a footballer missing a great shot, the score the goal, they missed it. she cannot get herself to even announce such a step. she was willing overnight to allow millions of people to come to germany for the pay she failed to come with a statement to say yes, as from that sweet, britons can travel without worry from quarantine when they are twice vaccinated. this is her language, she is conducted contradictory in other words with of the jury is out. i wonder whether there will be together favourable but forget she only rely on the

coalition partners from the social democrats to govern for 16 years come on her own she would have been able to do it. it is a mixed bag when you look at her record. that she would not have been able to do it. ., , she would not have been able to do it. . , ., ., ., she would not have been able to do it. yasmin, how damaging do you think longer— it. yasmin, how damaging do you think longer term _ it. yasmin, how damaging do you think longer term to _ it. yasmin, how damaging do you think longer term to the - it. yasmin, how damaging do you think longer term to the eu - it. yasmin, how damaging do you think longer term to the eu was l it. yasmin, how damaging do you | think longer term to the eu was it, her sticking with the orthodoxy of german tradition is saying back during that financial crisis we are not going to share data across the euro zone individual countries will have to deal with the problem themselves? they seem to be not her but in the end the essential brink who saved the euro and meantime like spain and greece who had to deal with some pretty osterville difficult times with that —— the bank who saved. i’m difficult times with that -- the bank who saved.— difficult times with that -- the bank who saved. �* ,., , ,, ., ., bank who saved. i'm sorry sean and thomas, i— bank who saved. i'm sorry sean and thomas, i would _ bank who saved. i'm sorry sean and thomas, i would not— bank who saved. i'm sorry sean and thomas, i would not go _ bank who saved. i'm sorry sean and thomas, i would not go with - bank who saved. i'm sorry sean and thomas, i would not go with you . bank who saved. i'm sorry sean and thomas, i would not go with you onj thomas, i would not go with you on this _ thomas, i would not go with you on this two _ thomas, i would not go with you on this. two men slapping off the first female _ this. two men slapping off the first female german chancellor who is as cresiing _ female german chancellor who is as cresting the guard said, unique and special— cresting the guard said, unique and special woman who combined yes,

meticulous — special woman who combined yes, meticulous thought and consideration with some _ meticulous thought and consideration with some pretty daring policies. of course, _ with some pretty daring policies. of course, and — with some pretty daring policies. of course, and greece, there is this feeling _ course, and greece, there is this feeling that it is because of her they— feeling that it is because of her they went through this terrible crisis _ they went through this terrible crisis but — they went through this terrible crisis but the eu isn'tjust angela market — crisis but the eu isn'tjust angela merkel. and i think what she has achieved — merkel. and i think what she has achieved in — merkel. and i think what she has achieved in these years, a young woman_ achieved in these years, a young woman from east germany, who came over and _ woman from east germany, who came over and has_ woman from east germany, who came over and has kept germany steady do it all. _ over and has kept germany steady do it all. and _ over and has kept germany steady do it all, and the 2008 crisis, germany did not— it all, and the 2008 crisis, germany did not suffer as so many of the did~ _ did not suffer as so many of the did. because the eu isn't one nation — did. because the eu isn't one nation. each nation has its own capacities— nation. each nation has its own capacities and distinction. i had 'ust capacities and distinction. i had just been— capacities and distinction. i had just been talking to 32 british people — just been talking to 32 british people who have taken out german citizenship. 2000% increase in those — citizenship. 2000% increase in those. anyway, the equivalent of thomas. — those. anyway, the equivalent of thomas, they love germany. they love merket _ thomas, they love germany. they love merket i_ thomas, they love germany. they love merkel. i wanted to say that because i'm merkel. i wanted to say that because i'm not—

merkel. i wanted to say that because i'm not going to you know, go on this fairly— i'm not going to you know, go on this fairly destructive train of thought— this fairly destructive train of thought you have taken out. now for your question, yes, ithink thought you have taken out. now for your question, yes, i think germany and italy— your question, yes, i think germany and italy during that crisis maybe, the entire — and italy during that crisis maybe, the entire eu, should've been more to him _ the entire eu, should've been more to him i_ the entire eu, should've been more to him i don't know kind or considerate. taking in the refugees was an— considerate. taking in the refugees was an astonishingly brave move, and on the _ was an astonishingly brave move, and on the whole — was an astonishingly brave move, and on the whole it has worked. sol totally _ on the whole it has worked. sol totally admire her, and that will not he _ totally admire her, and that will not be shaken. just totally admire her, and that will not be shaken.— totally admire her, and that will not be shaken. just income on the auestion not be shaken. just income on the question we _ not be shaken. just income on the question we talked _ not be shaken. just income on the question we talked about - not be shaken. just income on the i question we talked about fukushima, thomas mentioned it, that with a dramatic decision —— ijust income on the question. the nuclear explosion, the consequences and the fears what might come. she immediately announced chris shutting down the civilian programme in germany. that had consequences. he was consequence and political because of the. it was consequence and political because of the.— was consequence and political because of the. it certainly has. it was very traumatic _ because of the. it certainly has. it was very traumatic for _ because of the. it certainly has. it was very traumatic for the - because of the. it certainly has. it was very traumatic for the i'm - was very traumatic for the i'm

sorry, — was very traumatic for the i'm sorry. yasmin. _ was very traumatic for the i'm sorry. yasmin. i_ was very traumatic for the i'm sorry, yasmin, iwill- was very traumatic for the i'm sorry, yasmin, i will be - was very traumatic for the i'm sorry, yasmin, i will be a - was very traumatic for the i'ml sorry, yasmin, i will be a little bit critical _ sorry, yasmin, i will be a little bit critical of— sorry, yasmin, i will be a little bit critical of angela _ sorry, yasmin, i will be a little bit critical of angela merkel. . sorry, yasmin, i will be a little i bit critical of angela merkel. fill bit critical of angela merkel. all of bit critical of angela merkel. of these men. bit critical of angela merkel. all of these men. let's _ bit critical of angela merkel. all of these men. let's look - bit critical of angela merkel. all of these men. let's look at - bit critical of angela merkel. all of these men. let's look at the | of these men. let's look at the statistics for _ of these men. let's look at the statistics for nuclear _ of these men. let's look at the statistics for nuclear power. i statistics for nuclear power. germany _ statistics for nuclear power. germany is _ statistics for nuclear power. germany is second, - statistics for nuclear power. germany is second, the - statistics for nuclear power. . germany is second, the largest nuclear— germany is second, the largest nuclear plant _ germany is second, the largest nuclear plant and _ germany is second, the largest nuclear plant and the _ germany is second, the largest nuclear plant and the well- germany is second, the largest - nuclear plant and the well determine the world _ nuclear plant and the well determine the world in— nuclear plant and the well determine the world in terms _ nuclear plant and the well determine the world in terms of— nuclear plant and the well determine the world in terms of production, - the world in terms of production, produced — the world in terms of production, produced 115 _ the world in terms of production, produced 11.5 terawatts _ the world in terms of production, produced 11.5 terawatts of- the world in terms of production, produced 11.5 terawatts of powerl the world in terms of production, - produced 11.5 terawatts of power and 2018~ _ produced 11.5 terawatts of power and 2018~ that _ produced11.5terawatts of power and 2018~ that is— produced 11.5 terawatts of power and 2018~ that is i — produced 11.5 terawatts of power and 2018. that is 1 trillion _ produced 11.5 terawatts of power and 2018. that is 1 trillion w, _ produced 11.5 terawatts of power and 2018. that is 1 trillion w, huge - 2018. that is 1 trillion w, huge amount— 2018. that is 1 trillion w, huge amount of— 2018. that is 1 trillion w, huge amount of power. _ 2018. that is 1 trillion w, huge amount of power. by - 2018. that is 1 trillion w, huge - amount of power. by comparison, all of denmark— amount of power. by comparison, all of denmark went _ amount of power. by comparison, all of denmark went to _ amount of power. by comparison, all of denmark went to wind _ amount of power. by comparison, all of denmark went to wind turbine, - of denmark went to wind turbine, they produce _ of denmark went to wind turbine, they produce just _ of denmark went to wind turbine, they produce just a _ of denmark went to wind turbine, they produce just a little - of denmark went to wind turbine, they produce just a little bit - of denmark went to wind turbine, they produce just a little bit morej they produce just a little bit more power _ they produce just a little bit more power what _ they produce just a little bit more power. what we _ they produce just a little bit more power. what we are _ they produce just a little bit more power. what we are talking - they produce just a little bit morej power. what we are talking about they produce just a little bit more . power. what we are talking about is one plant— power. what we are talking about is one plant is— power. what we are talking about is one plant is a — power. what we are talking about is one plant is a huge _ power. what we are talking about is one plant is a huge supplier- power. what we are talking about is one plant is a huge supplier of- one plant is a huge supplier of energy— one plant is a huge supplier of energy to _ one plant is a huge supplier of energy to germany. _ one plant is a huge supplier of energy to germany. what - one plant is a huge supplier of| energy to germany. what does one plant is a huge supplier of- energy to germany. what does that mean? _ energy to germany. what does that mean? taking— energy to germany. what does that mean? taking that _ energy to germany. what does that mean? taking that out _ energy to germany. what does that mean? taking that out ill, - energy to germany. what does that mean? taking that out ill, it - energy to germany. what does that mean? taking that out ill, it would i mean? taking that out ill, it would now he _ mean? taking that out ill, it would now be closed _ mean? taking that out ill, it would now be closed next _ mean? taking that out ill, it would now be closed next year. - mean? taking that out ill, it would now be closed next year. it - mean? taking that out ill, it would i now be closed next year. it could've done _ now be closed next year. it could've done on _ now be closed next year. it could've done on for — now be closed next year. it could've done on for a — now be closed next year. it could've done on for a few— now be closed next year. it could've gone on for a few more _ now be closed next year. it could've gone on for a few more decades. i gone on for a few more decades. people _ gone on for a few more decades. people estimated _ gone on for a few more decades. people estimated 2048. - gone on for a few more decades. people estimated 2048. they. gone on for a few more decades. | people estimated 2048. they are taking _ people estimated 2048. they are taking that — people estimated 2048. they are taking that component _ people estimated 2048. they are taking that component out - people estimated 2048. they are taking that component out of - people estimated 2048. they are taking that component out of the | taking that component out of the power _ taking that component out of the power system _ taking that component out of the power system. what _ taking that component out of the power system. what does - taking that component out of the power system. what does it - taking that component out of the . power system. what does it mean? taking that component out of the - power system. what does it mean? it means— power system. what does it mean? it means they— power system. what does it mean? it means they are — power system. what does it mean? it means they are much _ power system. what does it mean? it means they are much more _ power system. what does it mean? iti means they are much more dependent upon gas _ means they are much more dependent upon gas and — means they are much more dependent upon gas and more _ means they are much more dependent upon gas and more dependent - means they are much more dependent upon gas and more dependent on - means they are much more dependent upon gas and more dependent on coal| upon gas and more dependent on coal in fact, _ upon gas and more dependent on coal in fact, germany— upon gas and more dependent on coal in fact, germany is— upon gas and more dependent on coal in fact, germany is not— upon gas and more dependent on coal in fact, germany is not going - upon gas and more dependent on coal in fact, germany is not going to- in fact, germany is not going to phase _ in fact, germany is not going to phase out — in fact, germany is not going to phase out coat— in fact, germany is not going to phase out coal under— in fact, germany is not going to phase out coal under current i

in fact, germany is not going to. phase out coal under current plans until 2030 — phase out coal under current plans until 2030 get _ phase out coal under current plans until 2030 get. britain _ phase out coal under current plans until 2030 get. britain is - phase out coal under current plans until 2030 get. britain is getting . until 2030 get. britain is getting rid of— until 2030 get. britain is getting rid of its — until 2030 get. britain is getting rid of its last— until 2030 get. britain is getting rid of its last call— until 2030 get. britain is getting rid of its last call fire _ until 2030 get. britain is getting rid of its last call fire station - until 2030 get. britain is getting rid of its last call fire station in i rid of its last call fire station in 2024 — rid of its last call fire station in 2024 it— rid of its last call fire station in 2024 it will— rid of its last call fire station in 2024. it will be _ rid of its last call fire station in 2024. it will be really- rid of its last call fire station in 2024. it will be really hard - rid of its last call fire station in 2024. it will be really hard forl 2024. it will be really hard for germany _ 2024. it will be really hard for germany to _ 2024. it will be really hard for germany to meet _ 2024. it will be really hard for germany to meet his - 2024. it will be really hard for germany to meet his climate i 2024. it will be really hard for- germany to meet his climate goals if it sticks _ germany to meet his climate goals if it sticks with — germany to meet his climate goals if it sticks with this _ germany to meet his climate goals if it sticks with this policy _ germany to meet his climate goals if it sticks with this policy of _ germany to meet his climate goals if it sticks with this policy of taking - it sticks with this policy of taking nuclear— it sticks with this policy of taking nuclear power _ it sticks with this policy of taking nuclear power. it _ it sticks with this policy of taking nuclear power. it makes - it sticks with this policy of taking nuclear power. it makes it- it sticks with this policy of taking nuclear power. it makes it much| it sticks with this policy of taking - nuclear power. it makes it much more dependent _ nuclear power. it makes it much more dependent on — nuclear power. it makes it much more dependent on russia. _ nuclear power. it makes it much more dependent on russia. north— nuclear power. it makes it much more dependent on russia. north stream . nuclear power. it makes it much more| dependent on russia. north stream to coming _ dependent on russia. north stream to coming online, — dependent on russia. north stream to coming online, much— dependent on russia. north stream to coming online, much less _ dependent on russia. north stream to coming online, much less flexibility. coming online, much less flexibility on the _ coming online, much less flexibility on the foreign — coming online, much less flexibility on the foreign policies. _ coming online, much less flexibility on the foreign policies. hard - coming online, much less flexibility on the foreign policies. hard to - on the foreign policies. hard to argue _ on the foreign policies. hard to argue from _ on the foreign policies. hard to argue from an _ on the foreign policies. hard to argue from an environmental. argue from an environmental perspective _ argue from an environmental perspective that— argue from an environmental perspective that has - argue from an environmental perspective that has been. argue from an environmental. perspective that has been good argue from an environmental- perspective that has been good for germany — perspective that has been good for german . ., ., , ., perspective that has been good for german . ., .,, ., , ., perspective that has been good for german . ., ., , ., ., germany. thomas, on the question of relations with — germany. thomas, on the question of relations with russia, _ germany. thomas, on the question of relations with russia, is _ germany. thomas, on the question of relations with russia, is this - germany. thomas, on the question of relations with russia, is this a - relations with russia, is this a really worrying cleavage within the eu do you think? i really worrying cleavage within the eu do you think?— eu do you think? i dare not go on after yasmin _ eu do you think? i dare not go on after yasmin condemned - eu do you think? i dare not go on after yasmin condemned me. - eu do you think? i dare not go on - after yasmin condemned me. laughter. ijust went on after yasmin condemned me. laughter. i just went on the record after yasmin condemned me. laughter. ijust went on the record straight. no intentional sliding as a male chauvinist pig is aware. i have nothing against her except that i say there is mediocrity involved in some of the things, and the male heir apparent who will follow her

will follow in her footsteps. it would not be much of a revolution going on. if she studied, germans like to do things traditionally come steady as he goes and she is the ultimate ideal representative of a very cautiously moving society. about russia of course she was rather ill advised together with macron to launch this initiative, a new high—level dialogue with russia at this very moment. no wonder some countries are objected to it. you should award russia for crimean occupation, which is still not been done properly, with the human rights violations and so forth, so that was an ill considered step which doesn't completely wipe her off as aware of the foreign policy and expertise, but she is like so many other people full of ideas which sometimes work and sometimes don't work. and this one did not work. no, i don't think she is going to be a prominent voice

in opening up a new dialogue with russia. they may have to wait rather longer. russia. they may have to wait rather loner. . , russia. they may have to wait rather loner. .,, _, ., ., , ., longer. yasmin come on that question of what happens _ longer. yasmin come on that question of what happens now _ longer. yasmin come on that question of what happens now in _ longer. yasmin come on that question of what happens now in europe, - of what happens now in europe, thomas mentioned macron. he has reformed ideas for the eu didn't really get much traction among other eu members. he will now be distracted for the next few months trying to hold onto the palace. angela merkel will be gone in september. politics will change them germany, even if a lot of it will stay the same. another coalition possibly coming in. who is left to lead in europe quiz blue one has to remember was that one about the eu. it isn't one nation. that is the narrative _ it isn't one nation. that is the narrative that is dominated in britain — narrative that is dominated in britain for god knows how long. it isn't all— britain for god knows how long. it isn't all germany or germany and france _ isn't all germany or germany and france this _ isn't all germany or germany and france. this is not a coalition club of nations — france. this is not a coalition club of nations -- _ france. this is not a coalition club of nations. —— this is a coalition.

the _ of nations. —— this is a coalition. the future — of nations. —— this is a coalition. the future will be different from the past — the future will be different from the past. as thomas says, that is politics _ the past. as thomas says, that is politics. that is how satiety changes _ politics. that is how satiety changes. what i feared though is that merkel's steadiness, there was a 2020 _ that merkel's steadiness, there was a 2020 survey done of the eu countries _ a 2020 survey done of the eu countries and in 14 nations, 75% trusted — countries and in 14 nations, 75% trusted her— countries and in 14 nations, 75% trusted her personally. now, the incoming — trusted her personally. now, the incoming person will have to work very hard — incoming person will have to work very hard to get to that level of trust _ very hard to get to that level of trust so— very hard to get to that level of trust so it _ very hard to get to that level of trust. so it is always difficult when — trust. so it is always difficult when somebody has left behind quite a legacy _ when somebody has left behind quite a legacy. secondly, one doesn't know _ a legacy. secondly, one doesn't know i— a legacy. secondly, one doesn't know. i completely agree about the whole _ know. i completely agree about the whole russia dialogue with russia thing _ whole russia dialogue with russia thing a _ whole russia dialogue with russia thing. a lot has happened and is happy_ thing. a lot has happened and is happy thanks to putin and his ambitions in the eu will have to come _ ambitions in the eu will have to come up — ambitions in the eu will have to come up with the collective response. and eventually they are good _ response. and eventually they are good at _ response. and eventually they are good at that. sol response. and eventually they are good at that. so i have great faith in the _ good at that. so i have great faith in the ell — good at that. so i have great faith in the ell i— good at that. so i have great faith in the eu. i will always be loyal to

it even— in the eu. i will always be loyal to it even though i'm no longer a part of it _ it even though i'm no longer a part of it they— it even though i'm no longer a part of it. they do things in a reasonable way. they are not as shoddy — reasonable way. they are not as shoddy as — reasonable way. they are not as shoddy as we are. it will be fine. but if_ shoddy as we are. it will be fine. but if it— shoddy as we are. it will be fine. but if it will— shoddy as we are. it will be fine. but if it will take work.— shoddy as we are. it will be fine. but if it will take work. thank you very much- _ "grandiose statements lacking teeth and devoid of effective delivery mechanisms". that's the verdict of a committee of mps examining the british government's plans to protect bio diversity. we think having lots of different species of insects, say, or plants matters; but in truth we're not sure why. still, the risk is clear: the uk, the environmental audit committee reports, is one of the most nature depleted countries on earth 15% of its species are under threat. it is probably helpful, justin, wearing her environment had come if wearing her environment had come if we defined terms. what do we mean by biodiversity in what does the committee mean by saying 15% of species in the uk are under threat quiz green let start with what bile biodiversity is without biodiversity refers to the incredible variety of

life on earth.— refers to the incredible variety of life on earth. biological diversity, it represents _ life on earth. biological diversity, it represents all _ life on earth. biological diversity, it represents all the _ life on earth. biological diversity, it represents all the different - it represents all the different species — it represents all the different species on _ it represents all the different species on earth, _ it represents all the different species on earth, animals, . it represents all the different - species on earth, animals, plants, fungi. _ species on earth, animals, plants, fungi. insects _ species on earth, animals, plants, fungi, insects, the _ species on earth, animals, plants, fungi, insects, the whole - species on earth, animals, plants, | fungi, insects, the whole shebang. we are _ fungi, insects, the whole shebang. we are talking, _ fungi, insects, the whole shebang. we are talking, this— fungi, insects, the whole shebang. we are talking, this is— fungi, insects, the whole shebang. we are talking, this is the - fungi, insects, the whole shebang. we are talking, this is the point, . we are talking, this is the point, we don't — we are talking, this is the point, we don't actually _ we are talking, this is the point, we don't actually know— we are talking, this is the point, we don't actually know the - we are talking, this is the point, | we don't actually know the range we are talking, this is the point, i we don't actually know the range of species _ we don't actually know the range of species on — we don't actually know the range of species on earth _ we don't actually know the range of species on earth with _ we don't actually know the range of species on earth with that - we don't actually know the range of species on earth with that we - we don't actually know the range of| species on earth with that we know, we think— species on earth with that we know, we think is— species on earth with that we know, we think is about _ species on earth with that we know, we think is about 1.7— species on earth with that we know, we think is about 1.7 million- we think is about 1.7 million species _ we think is about 1.7 million species of— we think is about 1.7 million species of animals, - we think is about 1.7 million species of animals, plants i we think is about 1.7 million. species of animals, plants and we think is about 1.7 million- species of animals, plants and fungi but we _ species of animals, plants and fungi but we don't — species of animals, plants and fungi but we don't know— species of animals, plants and fungi but we don't know for— species of animals, plants and fungi but we don't know for sure. - species of animals, plants and fungi but we don't know for sure. some . but we don't know for sure. some scientists— but we don't know for sure. some scientists say— but we don't know for sure. some scientists say they _ but we don't know for sure. some scientists say they could - but we don't know for sure. some scientists say they could be - but we don't know for sure. some scientists say they could be as - but we don't know for sure. some . scientists say they could be as many as eight— scientists say they could be as many as eight or— scientists say they could be as many as eight or 9 — scientists say they could be as many as eight or 9 million _ scientists say they could be as many as eight or 9 million different- as eight or 9 million different species _ as eight or 9 million different species. brilliant— as eight or 9 million different species. brilliant bacteria - as eight or 9 million different species. brilliant bacteria in i as eight or 9 million different. species. brilliant bacteria in the whole _ species. brilliant bacteria in the whole world _ species. brilliant bacteria in the whole world of— species. brilliant bacteria in the whole world of biodiversity- species. brilliant bacteria in the whole world of biodiversity a . species. brilliant bacteria in the . whole world of biodiversity a single spoonful— whole world of biodiversity a single spoonful of— whole world of biodiversity a single spoonful of soil— whole world of biodiversity a single spoonful of soil can— whole world of biodiversity a single spoonful of soil can have _ whole world of biodiversity a single spoonful of soil can have as - whole world of biodiversity a single spoonful of soil can have as many. whole world of biodiversity a single i spoonful of soil can have as many as 10,000 _ spoonful of soil can have as many as 10,000 different _ spoonful of soil can have as many as 10,000 different bacteria, _ spoonful of soil can have as many as 10,000 different bacteria, more - spoonful of soil can have as many as 10,000 different bacteria, more and some _ 10,000 different bacteria, more and some estimates. _ 10,000 different bacteria, more and some estimates. we _ 10,000 different bacteria, more and some estimates. we don't— 10,000 different bacteria, more and some estimates. we don't know- 10,000 different bacteria, more andl some estimates. we don't know what we are _ some estimates. we don't know what we are doing — some estimates. we don't know what we are doing as— some estimates. we don't know what we are doing as we— some estimates. we don't know what we are doing as we get— some estimates. we don't know what we are doing as we get rid _ some estimates. we don't know what we are doing as we get rid of- we are doing as we get rid of species _ we are doing as we get rid of species let's_ we are doing as we get rid of species. let's have - we are doing as we get rid of species. let's have a - we are doing as we get rid of species. let's have a look. we are doing as we get rid of species. let's have a look at| we are doing as we get rid of. species. let's have a look at the level— species. let's have a look at the level of— species. let's have a look at the level of threat— species. let's have a look at the level of threat there _ species. let's have a look at the level of threat there is - species. let's have a look at the level of threat there is to - species. let's have a look at the i level of threat there is to species. we know— level of threat there is to species. we know the _ level of threat there is to species. we know the rate _ level of threat there is to species. we know the rate of— level of threat there is to species. we know the rate of distinction i level of threat there is to species. we know the rate of distinction is| we know the rate of distinction is far higher— we know the rate of distinction is far higher than _ we know the rate of distinction is far higher than it— we know the rate of distinction is far higher than it would _ we know the rate of distinction is far higher than it would be - we know the rate of distinction isl far higher than it would be without humanity — far higher than it would be without humanity we _ far higher than it would be without humanity. we think— far higher than it would be without humanity. we think that _ far higher than it would be without humanity. we think that 25% - far higher than it would be without humanity. we think that 25% of. humanity. we think that 25% of mammals— humanity. we think that 25% of mammals are _ humanity. we think that 25% of mammals are a _ humanity. we think that 25% of mammals are a threat - humanity. we think that 25% of mammals are a threat of - humanity. we think that 25% of - mammals are a threat of distinction, 41% of— mammals are a threat of distinction, 41% of amphibians _ mammals are a threat of distinction, 41% of amphibians and _ mammals are a threat of distinction, 41% of amphibians and about - mammals are a threat of distinction, 41% of amphibians and about 17% - mammals are a threat of distinction, j 41% of amphibians and about 17% are birds _ 41% of amphibians and about 17% are birds a _ 41% of amphibians and about 17% are birds a huge — 41% of amphibians and about 17% are birds. a huge pressure _ 41% of amphibians and about 17% are birds. a huge pressure to— 41% of amphibians and about 17% are birds. a huge pressure to make -

41% of amphibians and about 17% are l birds. a huge pressure to make sense of pressure _ birds. a huge pressure to make sense of pressure we — birds. a huge pressure to make sense of pressure. we don't— birds. a huge pressure to make sense of pressure. we don't understand - birds. a huge pressure to make sense of pressure. we don't understand the | of pressure. we don't understand the subtle _ of pressure. we don't understand the subtle processes— of pressure. we don't understand the subtle processes as _ of pressure. we don't understand the subtle processes as you _ of pressure. we don't understand the subtle processes as you alluded - of pressure. we don't understand the subtle processes as you alluded to i subtle processes as you alluded to in your— subtle processes as you alluded to in your introduction _ subtle processes as you alluded to in your introduction that _ subtle processes as you alluded to in your introduction that of - subtle processes as you alluded to in your introduction that of how. in your introduction that of how ecosystems— in your introduction that of how ecosystems work. _ in your introduction that of how ecosystems work. we - in your introduction that of how ecosystems work. we do - in your introduction that of how ecosystems work. we do knowl in your introduction that of how- ecosystems work. we do know that in some _ ecosystems work. we do know that in some cases _ ecosystems work. we do know that in some cases you — ecosystems work. we do know that in some cases you take _ ecosystems work. we do know that in some cases you take one _ ecosystems work. we do know that in some cases you take one species- some cases you take one species outcome — some cases you take one species outcome of— some cases you take one species outcome of the _ some cases you take one species outcome of the whole _ some cases you take one species outcome of the whole thing - some cases you take one species- outcome of the whole thing changes. the whole _ outcome of the whole thing changes. the whole balance _ outcome of the whole thing changes. the whole balance of— outcome of the whole thing changes. the whole balance of species - the whole balance of species changes _ the whole balance of species changes as _ the whole balance of species changes. as we _ the whole balance of species changes. as we get - the whole balance of species changes. as we get rid - the whole balance of species changes. as we get rid of. the whole balance of species - changes. as we get rid of species can we _ changes. as we get rid of species can we don't— changes. as we get rid of species can we don't know _ changes. as we get rid of species can we don't know what - changes. as we get rid of species - can we don't know what consequences that will— can we don't know what consequences that will have — can we don't know what consequences that will have. could _ can we don't know what consequences that will have. could be _ that will have. could be catastrophic. _ that will have. could be catastrophic. the - that will have. could be - catastrophic. the increasing reduction _ catastrophic. the increasing reduction in _ catastrophic. the increasing reduction in diversity- catastrophic. the increasing reduction in diversity could i catastrophic. the increasing - reduction in diversity could have 'ust reduction in diversity could have just like — reduction in diversity could have just like climate _ reduction in diversity could have just like climate change - reduction in diversity could have just like climate change from i reduction in diversity could have just like climate change from a. just like climate change from a catastrophic— just like climate change from a catastrophic effect _ just like climate change from a catastrophic effect on - just like climate change from a catastrophic effect on the - just like climate change from a. catastrophic effect on the ability of the _ catastrophic effect on the ability of the earth _ catastrophic effect on the ability of the earth to _ catastrophic effect on the ability of the earth to support - catastrophic effect on the ability of the earth to support us - catastrophic effect on the ability. of the earth to support us because let'sjust _ of the earth to support us because let'sjust remember, _ of the earth to support us because let'sjust remember, these - let's just remember, these ecosystems— let'sjust remember, these ecosystems are _ let'sjust remember, these ecosystems are the - let'sjust remember, these ecosystems are the source | let'sjust remember, these . ecosystems are the source of let'sjust remember, these - ecosystems are the source of fresh air, the _ ecosystems are the source of fresh air, the source _ ecosystems are the source of fresh air, the source of— ecosystems are the source of fresh air, the source of food, _ ecosystems are the source of fresh air, the source of food, the - ecosystems are the source of fresh air, the source of food, the sourcel air, the source of food, the source of clean _ air, the source of food, the source of clean water, _ air, the source of food, the source of clean water, they— air, the source of food, the source of clean water, they are _ air, the source of food, the source of clean water, they are the - air, the source of food, the sourcel of clean water, they are the bases. we set _ of clean water, they are the bases. we set within— of clean water, they are the bases. we set within this _ of clean water, they are the bases. we set within this web _ of clean water, they are the bases. we set within this web of— of clean water, they are the bases. we set within this web of life - of clean water, they are the bases. we set within this web of life and l we set within this web of life and we depend — we set within this web of life and we depend on _ we set within this web of life and we depend on these _ we set within this web of life and we depend on these biodiversityl we set within this web of life and i we depend on these biodiversity to deliver— we depend on these biodiversity to deliver us— we depend on these biodiversity to deliver us this _ we depend on these biodiversity to deliver us this crudely _ we depend on these biodiversity to deliver us this crudely in _ we depend on these biodiversity to deliver us this crudely in economic| deliver us this crudely in economic terms _ deliver us this crudely in economic terms i _ deliver us this crudely in economic terms i referred _ deliver us this crudely in economic terms i referred to _ deliver us this crudely in economic terms i referred to as _ deliver us this crudely in economic terms i referred to as services. . terms i referred to as services. that— terms i referred to as services. that is— terms i referred to as services. that is why— terms i referred to as services. that is why it _ terms i referred to as services. that is why it is _ terms i referred to as services. that is why it is so _ terms i referred to as services. that is why it is so important. terms i referred to as services. l that is why it is so important and that is— that is why it is so important and that is why— that is why it is so important and that is why the _ that is why it is so important and that is why the uncertainty - that is why it is so important andl that is why the uncertainty around it is also— that is why the uncertainty around it is also important. _ that is why the uncertainty around it is also important. we _ that is why the uncertainty around it is also important. we cannot. that is why the uncertainty around i it is also important. we cannot say, we don't _ it is also important. we cannot say, we don't know— it is also important. we cannot say, we don't know what _ it is also important. we cannot say, we don't know what will— it is also important. we cannot say, we don't know what will happen - it is also important. we cannot say, we don't know what will happen if l it is also important. we cannot say, i we don't know what will happen if we -et we don't know what will happen if we get rid _ we don't know what will happen if we get rid of— we don't know what will happen if we get rid of certain _ we don't know what will happen if we get rid of certain bacteria _ we don't know what will happen if we get rid of certain bacteria for- get rid of certain bacteria for example _ get rid of certain bacteria for example or—

get rid of certain bacteria for example or even _ get rid of certain bacteria for example or even come - get rid of certain bacteria for- example or even come mosquitoes for example. _ example or even come mosquitoes for e>

completely counterproductive policies — completely counterproductive policies which are more about exploiting nations even now, a very 18th and _ exploiting nations even now, a very 18th and 19th century, man centred if you _ 18th and 19th century, man centred if you like _ 18th and 19th century, man centred if you like view of the natural world — if you like view of the natural world. and it is still going on. anyway, — world. and it is still going on. anyway, 1— world. and it is still going on. anyway, i worry that all the right things— anyway, i worry that all the right things are — anyway, i worry that all the right things are being said, but the kind of aggressive capitalism of our times— of aggressive capitalism of our times is— of aggressive capitalism of our times is deeply uninterested in these — times is deeply uninterested in these very important things that have _ these very important things that have just — these very important things that have just been said, so evocative lead by— have just been said, so evocative lead by your correspondent come about— lead by your correspondent come about the — lead by your correspondent come about the natural world, balance, biodiversity, all of our futures. those — biodiversity, all of our futures. those two _ biodiversity, all of our futures. those two are enemies, and i don't think— those two are enemies, and i don't think i_ those two are enemies, and i don't think i feel— those two are enemies, and i don't think i feel this government is taking — think i feel this government is taking any other seriously, but they know _ taking any other seriously, but they know what — taking any other seriously, but they know what to say. and they might tinker— know what to say. and they might tinker in— know what to say. and they might tinker in they might make promises, but they— tinker in they might make promises, but they are — tinker in they might make promises, but they are about as empty as the promises _ but they are about as empty as the promises our prime minister has made

to the _ promises our prime minister has made to the whole _ promises our prime minister has made to the whole world and to whoever. so i to the whole world and to whoever. so i think— to the whole world and to whoever. so i think we have to take it seriously _ so i think we have to take it seriously-— so i think we have to take it seriously. so i think we have to take it seriousl . ., , _, ., seriously. time has come of the challenges _ seriously. time has come of the challenges integrating _ seriously. time has come of the challenges integrating this - seriously. time has come of the challenges integrating this intol seriously. time has come of the l challenges integrating this into all the policymakers, whether planning policy, how you subsidise agricultural fisheries, policy, how you subsidise agriculturalfisheries, do you get policy, how you subsidise agricultural fisheries, do you get a sense this is something that can be a lot of attention on climate change which is again big grand and dramatic, that this kind of quite detailed subtle sum i say even quite boring policymaking actually doesn't create enough attention to whether from the media orfrom politicians themselves or indeed from the voters to sustain the policy change? magbe to sustain the policy change? maybe the reason why _ to sustain the policy change? maybe the reason why it _ to sustain the policy change? maybe the reason why it is _ to sustain the policy change? maybe the reason why it is a _ to sustain the policy change? maybe the reason why it is a demand - to sustain the policy change? maybe the reason why it is a demand so - the reason why it is a demand so much attention is we have left out one important factor and all of this debate so far, that is population. the greed of ever—growing population development on the earth is tending towards notjust capitalism as yasmin said but the basic needs of

feeding, eating, and using our lands for our purposes irrespective of the damage they do to the ecological system. we have to find a consensus come also return a particular come in talking about when is the level, when is the breaking point reached in terms of world population, 9 billion we are already. —— in particular with china we are looking down the trail and come into the moment of crisis if we go much beyond that, whatever we do politically the same individual species we have to attach ourselves to the need to 9 billion or more people to do damage to the natural habitat. something has to give us up rightfully said come on the day of execution is near, you concentrate the mind. that is what we need to do. we need to concentrate the mind when more than nine big people are likely to do with the earth if we

continue to multiply within he thought about the future danger to the ecological surroundings. i think i would definitely bring the population issue into this whole debate. . ~ population issue into this whole debate. ., ,, , ., population issue into this whole debate. . ~' , ., , population issue into this whole debate. ., ,, , . population issue into this whole debate. ., , . ., debate. thank you very much, thomas. one wonders — debate. thank you very much, thomas. one wonders what _ debate. thank you very much, thomas. one wonders what would _ debate. thank you very much, thomas. one wonders what would happen - debate. thank you very much, thomas. one wonders what would happen if - debate. thank you very much, thomas. one wonders what would happen if we | one wonders what would happen if we maintain species diversity for humans as well. for the last 12 of the 16 years that angela merkel has been in charge in germany, xijinping has been running china. having abolished term limits, there's every reason to think he'll be in powerfor many years more. the chinese do longevity, something demonstrated in thursday's choreographed display of popular euphoria, marking the centenary of the china's communist party. asked by an interviewer whether it will still exist in another 100 years, the exiled artist ai weiwei observed drily, chinese dynasties very often last two or 300 years. whether they do are not, the reality is we have to live with it operate with china as a very real presence

of the world. in terms of the countries looking at china and working with china, it was a belief 20 years ago that as china becomes more capitalist, his politics will change the that clearly has not happened. what do we do now, it was to him had it was this the same ace effective relationship without conceding the things we believe in? that's how it was assistant billy affect the things we believe in? that's how it was sustained an effective — that's how it was sustained an effective path an important question i effective path an important question i don't _ effective path an important question i don't the — effective path an important question i don't. the powertrain is very quiet — i don't. the powertrain is very quiet not _ i don't. the powertrain is very quiet not only in terms of hong korrg, — quiet not only in terms of hong kong, which we get a lot of coverage of, i kong, which we get a lot of coverage of. iwent— kong, which we get a lot of coverage of. i went to — kong, which we get a lot of coverage of, i went to uganda, my old country a few— of, i went to uganda, my old country a few years _ of, i went to uganda, my old country a few years ago, and every single infrastructure project is being ran by the _ infrastructure project is being ran by the chinese, inc. uganda come in tanzania, _ by the chinese, inc. uganda come in tanzania, across southern africa, and they— tanzania, across southern africa, and they do — tanzania, across southern africa, and they do sign these agreements with the _ and they do sign these agreements with the leaders where in exchange for this—

with the leaders where in exchange for this influence and extraordinarily influence across africa, — extraordinarily influence across africa, they will do this infrastructure work. they don't even use the _ infrastructure work. they don't even use the local labour. as one of the people _ use the local labour. as one of the people i_ use the local labour. as one of the people i met there, the local people. _ people i met there, the local people, said, they don't even use us to clean _ people, said, they don't even use us to clean and — people, said, they don't even use us to clean. and so, it is happening to him it— to clean. and so, it is happening to him it is— to clean. and so, it is happening to him it is a — to clean. and so, it is happening to him it is a world power, it is certainly— him it is a world power, it is certainly economically controlling a hu-e certainly economically controlling a huge amount of world space, but his values _ huge amount of world space, but his values and _ huge amount of world space, but his values and his politics are deeply unappealing. to most people around the world _ unappealing. to most people around the world. who are democrats. ijust don't _ the world. who are democrats. ijust don't know— the world. who are democrats. ijust don't know where it will take us. india _ don't know where it will take us. india has— don't know where it will take us. india has the capacity still to resist — india has the capacity still to resist this chinese megalomaniac ambitions — resist this chinese megalomaniac ambitions but i don't know for how long _ ambitions but i don't know for how long it _ ambitions but i don't know for how long it is — ambitions but i don't know for how long it is a — ambitions but i don't know for how long. it is a very serious issue. justin, — long. it is a very serious issue. justin, you _ long. it is a very serious issue. justin, you a _ long. it is a very serious issue. justin, you a correspondent in india. india has a strong leader and

mr modi but has a very noisy, messy but genuinely kind of plural political system. but genuinely kind of plural politicalsystem. how but genuinely kind of plural political system. how does it respond to its neighbour, it's big, potentially aggressive neighbour? i was there when there were a few cross-border— was there when there were a few cross—border skirmishes - was there when there were a few| cross—border skirmishes between was there when there were a few - cross—border skirmishes between the indians— cross—border skirmishes between the indians of— cross—border skirmishes between the indians of the — cross—border skirmishes between the indians of the chinese. _ cross—border skirmishes between the indians of the chinese. geographicall indians of the chinese. geographical position— indians of the chinese. geographical position of— indians of the chinese. geographical position of india _ indians of the chinese. geographical position of india and _ indians of the chinese. geographical position of india and china _ indians of the chinese. geographical position of india and china is- indians of the chinese. geographical position of india and china is very. position of india and china is very in this— position of india and china is very in this debate. _ position of india and china is very in this debate. —— _ position of india and china is very in this debate. —— india _ position of india and china is very in this debate. —— india and - position of india and china is veryl in this debate. —— india and china. they— in this debate. —— india and china. they have — in this debate. —— india and china. they have a — in this debate. —— india and china. they have a huge _ in this debate. —— india and china. they have a huge border- in this debate. —— india and china. they have a huge border to - in this debate. —— india and china. they have a huge border to the i they have a huge border to the himalayas— they have a huge border to the himalayas with _ they have a huge border to the himalayas with china. - they have a huge border to the himalayas with china. very- they have a huge border to the i himalayas with china. very close they have a huge border to the - himalayas with china. very close to china _ himalayas with china. very close to china china— himalayas with china. very close to china china is— himalayas with china. very close to china. china is a _ himalayas with china. very close to china. china is a much— himalayas with china. very close to china. china is a much bigger- china. china is a much bigger economy _ china. china is a much bigger economy, about _ china. china is a much bigger economy, about five - china. china is a much bigger economy, about five times i china. china is a much bigger. economy, about five times the china. china is a much bigger- economy, about five times the size of india _ economy, about five times the size of india a— economy, about five times the size of india a very— economy, about five times the size of india. a very big _ economy, about five times the size of india. a very big and _ economy, about five times the size of india. a very big and very- economy, about five times the size of india. a very big and very strong j of india. a very big and very strong neighbour — of india. a very big and very strong neighbour and _ of india. a very big and very strong neighbour. and he _ of india. a very big and very strong neighbour. and he has _ of india. a very big and very strong neighbour. and he has a _ of india. a very big and very strong neighbour. and he has a long - of india. a very big and very strong i neighbour. and he has a long history of not _ neighbour. and he has a long history of not playing — neighbour. and he has a long history of not playing a — neighbour. and he has a long history of not playing a big _ neighbour. and he has a long history of not playing a big role _ neighbour. and he has a long history of not playing a big role in _ of not playing a big role in international— of not playing a big role in international affairs. - of not playing a big role ini international affairs. that's of not playing a big role in - international affairs. that's india has with— international affairs. that's india has with that _ international affairs. that's india has with that one _ international affairs. that's india has with that one of— international affairs. that's india has with that one of the - international affairs. that's india has with that one of the key- international affairs. that's india i has with that one of the key players in the _ has with that one of the key players in the nonaligned _ has with that one of the key players in the nonaligned movement. - has with that one of the key players in the nonaligned movement. a- has with that one of the key players i in the nonaligned movement. a great tradition— in the nonaligned movement. a great tradition of— in the nonaligned movement. a great tradition of india _ in the nonaligned movement. a great tradition of india not _ in the nonaligned movement. a great tradition of india not taking _ in the nonaligned movement. a great tradition of india not taking sides - tradition of india not taking sides and not _ tradition of india not taking sides and not playing _ tradition of india not taking sides and not playing a _ tradition of india not taking sides and not playing a game - tradition of india not taking sides and not playing a game of- tradition of india not taking sides| and not playing a game of setting tradition of india not taking sides - and not playing a game of setting up alliances _ and not playing a game of setting up alliances you — and not playing a game of setting up alliances. you can _ and not playing a game of setting up alliances. you can imagine _ and not playing a game of setting up alliances. you can imagine with - and not playing a game of setting up alliances. you can imagine with the. alliances. you can imagine with the huge _ alliances. you can imagine with the huge longboarder, _ alliances. you can imagine with the huge longboarder, siding _ alliances. you can imagine with the huge longboarder, siding with - huge longboarder, siding with america — huge longboarder, siding with america against— huge longboarder, siding with america against china - huge longboarder, siding with

america against china it- huge longboarder, siding with| america against china it might huge longboarder, siding with - america against china it might be a very uncountable _ america against china it might be a very uncountable position. - america against china it might be a very uncountable position. but - america against china it might be a very uncountable position. but youl very uncountable position. but you are right _ very uncountable position. but you are right india _ very uncountable position. but you are right india feels— very uncountable position. but you are right india feels very— are right india feels very uncomfortable _ are right india feels very uncomfortable and - are right india feels very. uncomfortable and circled are right india feels very- uncomfortable and circled by all those _ uncomfortable and circled by all those countries _ uncomfortable and circled by all those countries just _ uncomfortable and circled by all those countries just as - uncomfortable and circled by all those countries just as yasmin i uncomfortable and circled by all i those countries just as yasmin saw an africa _ those countries just as yasmin saw an africa that — those countries just as yasmin saw an africa that are _ those countries just as yasmin saw an africa that are being _ those countries just as yasmin saw an africa that are being all- those countries just as yasmin saw an africa that are being all sorts i an africa that are being all sorts of broda — an africa that are being all sorts of broda infrastructure - an africa that are being all sorts of broda infrastructure projectsl of broda infrastructure projects being _ of broda infrastructure projects being funded _ of broda infrastructure projects being funded by— of broda infrastructure projects being funded by china - of broda infrastructure projects being funded by china as- of broda infrastructure projects being funded by china as part i of broda infrastructure projectsl being funded by china as part of bill and — being funded by china as part of bill and road. _ being funded by china as part of billand road. it— being funded by china as part of bill and road. it feels— being funded by china as part of bill and road. it feels and - being funded by china as part of. bill and road. it feels and circled, but has _ bill and road. it feels and circled, but has this— bill and road. it feels and circled, but has this version _ bill and road. it feels and circled, but has this version two - bill and road. it feels and circled, but has this version two building i but has this version two building alliances — but has this version two building alliances so _ but has this version two building alliances, so it's— but has this version two building alliances, so it's an _ but has this version two building alliances, so it's an uncountablej alliances, so it's an uncountable position— alliances, so it's an uncountable position in— alliances, so it's an uncountable position in the _ alliances, so it's an uncountable position in the thing _ alliances, so it's an uncountable position in the thing about - alliances, so it's an uncountable i position in the thing about ending it was— position in the thing about ending it was to — position in the thing about ending it was to remember, _ position in the thing about ending it was to remember, it _ position in the thing about ending it was to remember, it is- position in the thing about ending it was to remember, it is an - position in the thing about ending i it was to remember, it is an inward -looking _ it was to remember, it is an inward -looking country _ it was to remember, it is an inward —looking country by _ it was to remember, it is an inward —looking country by building - it was to remember, it is an inward —looking country by building a - it was to remember, it is an inward —looking country by building a very| —looking country by building a very strong _ —looking country by building a very strong and — —looking country by building a very strong and big _ —looking country by building a very strong and big economy. _ —looking country by building a very strong and big economy. and - —looking country by building a very strong and big economy. and if. —looking country by building a very| strong and big economy. and if you check— strong and big economy. and if you check multi—part _ strong and big economy. and if you check multi—part of _ strong and big economy. and if you check multi—part of the _ strong and big economy. and if you check multi—part of the well - strong and big economy. and if you check multi—part of the well it - check multi—part of the well it looks— check multi—part of the well it looks very— check multi—part of the well it looks very bipolar— check multi—part of the well it looks very bipolar at - check multi—part of the well it looks very bipolar at the - check multi—part of the well it. looks very bipolar at the moment check multi—part of the well it - looks very bipolar at the moment but in the _ looks very bipolar at the moment but in the future — looks very bipolar at the moment but in the future multipolar _ looks very bipolar at the moment but in the future multipolar while - 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hello there. today has been a warmer kind of day with more in their way of thatjuly send side to go around. we had some beautiful weather watcher picture sent to us. this one looked like it came from the caribbean. beautiful white sand beaches off the western isles in scotland. we have seen showers today. the storms working away from the far north of england, southern scotland but overnight you will see further bands of showers and rain will begin across england in reaching northern ireland later on. quite a muggy kind of night. if you missed an fog patch is. and then through the weekend, big downpours on the way. the storms could bring some problems as well. saturday morning, our brand of thunder and rain continues to work its way

northward and eastward. what follows are showers and thunderstorms they could drop 30 mm of rain in a space ofjust one hour, localised surface water flooding from the heaviest of those stores but even worse than that in two parts of southwest england, this convergence zone with the winds not changing them of that convergence on a loxley showers and thunderstorms right along this kind of alignment and there will be one or two areas that pick up something like a0 to perhaps is 80 mm of rain in the worst—case scenario and that is enough to cause some flooding issues. the showers will be widespread, heavy rain pushing across northern england and downpours for scotland and northern ireland as well. it is the euros quarterfinals of course. england travelling to rome to take on ukraine. after heidi any day in khan with temperatures drifting down into the mid—205 bird the match itself. second half of sunday, an area of rain pushing across england. elsewhere, heavy thunder he showers and widespread, perhaps the heaviest showers and thunderstorms this time,

scotland and northern ireland in the northwest of england and wales, temperatures still a little bit below par for the time of the year, 18 and 21 degrees with the storm still bringing a few problems with surface water flooding issues. still bringing a few problems with surface waterflooding issues. my review also quite windy weather and the strongest winds likely towards the strongest winds likely towards the south of the uk where we may have gills, rain, strong winds, monday tuesday clearing, sunshine and showers for a time probably dry and showers for a time probably dry and brighter towards the end of the week. that is your weather.

this is bbc news. the headlines at 8pm: the labour leader, sir keir starmer, welcomes victory in the batley and spen by election. kim leadbeater won by just 323 votes. what a really important victory for batley and spen, of hope over division and decency over hatred. the case is to be dropped against two former soldiers facing murder charges from northern ireland's troubles including from bloody sunday. angela merkel meets borisjohnson at chequers they've discussed whether covid travel restrictions could be eased for britons visiting germany. we think that, in the foreseeable future, those who have received double jabs will then, according to our classification —

and now britain obviously is a high—incidence area —