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it's the media show. hello. have we got a scoop for you. bbc bags top newspaper execs to discuss all things tabloid and mass—market. the headline — have our red tops got their mojo back? the sun's front page last week that ended matt hancock's cabinet career, at least for now, was a classic splash, not seem too often since the phone hacking scandal. it had it all — an illicit relationship, hypocrisy and alleged cronyism. a dynamite combination that ultimately cost mr hancock his job. maybe the ingredients weren't quite right when it came to other recent scoops like the mail's dominic cummings trip to barnard castle or the daily mirror investigation into covid and care homes. no heads rolled after those exclusives. but is there now a sense, despite issues over circulation

and revenues, that fleet street is back to its pugnacious best? well, i told you we had a scoop. three of the biggest beasts in fleet street nowjoin us for their media show debut. take a bow, victoria newton, editor in chief of the sun and sun on sunday. hi, victoria. hello. a classic tabloid pun on your front of the day after england's footballers beat germany, "55 years of hurt never stopped us raheeming." how long did it take to come up with that one? well, we have the best headline writers in the world on our back bench. it took them about two seconds. brilliant stuff. tobyn andrae, deputy editor of the daily mail. tobyn, great to have you here. good afternoon. your paper it's printed in a tabloid format, so you are a tabloid writer, are you still a bit sniffy over there at north cliff house? not in the least. we have been great supporters of the popular market and newspapers right across the board. nice one.

emily sheffield, editor of the evening standard. hi there, emily. hi, how are you? i'm very well, you. you are celebrating your one year anniversary this year. congratulations, as editor. your predecessor, george osborne, drop the word of london from the london evening standard. now, my mum and derbyshire, what will she find interesting in the londoners siary or my london section at the back of the magazine? you can't be trying to make it out to be a national publication, are you? no, quite the opposite, _ since i took over, i've doubled down on all things london. excellent. all right, 0k, other londoners might not be too happy about that. the sun's hancock scoop. we have to get to that. that is the only place to start. already a contender for story of the year, the paper showed matt hancock in a steamy clinch, liaison, whatever you want to call it with his aide. and the images appear to have been taken from cctv footage film in mr hancock's government office.

victoria newton, simple question — how did the sun get the story? we were contacted by whistle—blower who said he had information about mr hancock having an illicit affair with an aide. and the whistle—blower was outraged at his behaviour. there are parts of that i can't tell you why but the hypocrisy, he felt he was seeing, was that this is a man who had been on national television, stare down the barrel of the tv lens and said you must stay at home, protect lives and protect the nhs and we had 18 months of social distancing rules, that he himself was not following. so that was how the whistle—blower got in touch with us. did you have any qualms about the story and in particular using the video? yes, of course. i mean, we believe in responsible journalism and my first thought when this information came in was, my goodness, can this be real? can he really be doing that at three

o'clock in the afternoon? i literally couldn't believe it. we have loads of checks and balances that we have to follow procedurally, we got our legal team involved immediately, to get advice from them, before we went any further, and then obviously once we have seen the footage for ourselves, we were careful to match up images of matt and gina together on their day—to—day working lives and to really make sure that it was definitely her. it was 100% matt hancock as soon as i saw it. i knew, as soon as you watch the video, his mannerisms and everything, there was no doubt. but then we had to go through all the legal procedures to make sure we were in a good position to run the story. has your collar been felt by the police or secret service about how you got the footage? no. laughter. yet? not yet. but if it is, perfectly happy with how we conducted the story and how we ran it, and you know, we consulted with top lawyers before we went ahead with publication. you mentioned the whistle—blower, what steps have you taken

to protect that source? did you warn them about possible repercussions and all that? yes, of course, we would always do that, we would never reveal her source. i've done everything i can to protect that person. and i would rather go to jail than hand the name over. right, 0k. i'm sure the source is pleased to hear that. phone hacking scandal, nothing to do with you, nothing to do with the sun, it was the news of the world and that is defunct, but did the phone hacking scandal give you pause for thought of using that leak from a private office? previously, it is always going to be an issue, but the overwhelming public interest which is blindingly obvious from the start. i almost didn't need a lawyer to tell me that. i could just see it for myself. and of course, that whole period, things have moved on since then and we are a hugely compliant company and there are lots of checks

and balances in place and we all have training, so i don't think we are in the same place we were then. but the public interest was so overwhelming, not just the hypocrisy of the social distancing, but the massive question but the massive question it threw up was was he in a relationship with this woman when he hired her. and he still hasn't really answer that question publicly. he's only admitted to the social distancing breach. and i think we are still waiting to hearfrom him on that one. yeah, i mean the public interest point you make interest point you make there, very compelling, but two marriages are now in trouble. children are involved. would you have run the story involving the health secretary if there was no pandemic? that is an interesting question. i think we probably would, because i would be looking at the issue around when he hired her, we would have to be clear on that i guess. and as for the issue of the families, we went to great lengths, none of the children were named in the story, after day one of the story, i took our photographers and reporters off the home address, you will find other papers that

still carried on running pictures. i chose not to, of the wife. the public interest in the story was so overwhelming that i think we handled it really well. emily, if i can turn to you, after the story broke you ran a front—page in the standard featuring a very large picture of mr hancock's wife, martha? why did you decide to focus on that side of the story? because she was going to take the direct hit from the revelations. 0ur headline was very much about what he would be under fire for and following very much what victoria said, this was clearly public interest. we also remain, we think big questions remain, was he in a relationship already when he hired her. and we debated actually for an incredibly long time, and it is always the stories break

when you are in the middle of something else, i was actually in the middle of doing some filming. i wasn't on edition. i was having to move. i was on what'sapp. 0ur information was and i won"t back and forth about this, and i can't give too much detail, is that maybe she was not entirely adverse to being photographed. right. 0k. can you explain a little? no. she wanted to _ can you explain a little? no. she wanted to get her side of the story up wanted to get her side of the story up there. i wanted to get her side of the story u- there. ., �* ., ., . ., up there. i don't want to elucidate. we do no up there. i don't want to elucidate. we do go into _ up there. i don't want to elucidate. we do go into a — up there. i don't want to elucidate. we do go into a lot _ up there. i don't want to elucidate. we do go into a lot of _ up there. i don't want to elucidate. we do go into a lot of particularly, | we do go into a lot of particularly, marley— we do go into a lot of particularly, marley decision was not to put her on the _ marley decision was not to put her on the front. marley decision was not to put her on the front-— marley decision was not to put her on the front. interesting. that's my early decision. _ on the front. interesting. that's my early decision. we _ on the front. interesting. that's my early decision. we are _ on the front. interesting. that's my early decision. we are pretty - early decision. we are pretty careful. early decision. we are pretty careful- i _ early decision. we are pretty careful. i think— early decision. we are pretty careful. i think all— early decision. we are pretty careful. i think all of - early decision. we are pretty careful. i think all of us - early decision. we are pretty careful. i think all of us as i careful. i think all of us as editors, _ careful. i think all of us as editors, very much feel the right people _ editors, very much feel the right people should be taking the public it. .., , ~., ., it. right. 0k. of course martha isn't here _ it. right. 0k. of course martha isn't here to — it. right. 0k. of course martha isn't here to give _ it. right. 0k. of course martha isn't here to give her _ it. right. 0k. of course martha isn't here to give her side - it. right. 0k. of course martha isn't here to give her side of. it. right. 0k. of course marthal isn't here to give her side of the story but we hear what are saying. tobyn, you also run stories on mr

hancock's wife as well. why did you go down that way? i hancock's wife as well. why did you go down that way?— go down that way? i think in the case of the _ go down that way? i think in the case of the story, _ go down that way? i think in the case of the story, she _ go down that way? i think in the case of the story, she is - go down that way? i think in the i case of the story, she is absolutely at the _ case of the story, she is absolutely at the heart — case of the story, she is absolutely at the heart of— case of the story, she is absolutely at the heart of it _ case of the story, she is absolutely at the heart of it as _ case of the story, she is absolutely at the heart of it as well _ case of the story, she is absolutely at the heart of it as well because . at the heart of it as well because aside _ at the heart of it as well because aside from — at the heart of it as well because aside from the _ at the heart of it as well because aside from the political- at the heart of it as well because aside from the political scandal. at the heart of it as well because . aside from the political scandal and the implications— aside from the political scandal and the implications that _ aside from the political scandal and the implications that come - 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there and emily decides what she would do and tobyn and his folks and everybody else decide which you set the hair running. do you feel comfortable about that when it comes to the kids and martha? it is comfortable about that when it comes to the kids and martha?— to the kids and martha? it is always a decision you _ to the kids and martha? it is always a decision you have _ to the kids and martha? it is always a decision you have to _ to the kids and martha? it is always a decision you have to make - to the kids and martha? it is always a decision you have to make when l to the kids and martha? it is always i a decision you have to make when you way up to the public commission to have a right to know how the health secretary has been behaving versus the right to privacy of his family. i felt strongly and i think everybody agree with me the lower chiefjustice, the everybody agree with me the lower chief justice, the justice secretary, chiefjustice, thejustice secretary, the lord chancellor all agree the story was in the public interest. that is what you way up on a daily basis on stories. {lit interest. that is what you way up on a daily basis on stories.— a daily basis on stories. of course. let's run in — a daily basis on stories. of course. let's run in the _ a daily basis on stories. of course. let's run in the discussion. - a daily basis on stories. of course. let's run in the discussion. tobyn, | let's run in the discussion. tobyn, the male turns a quarter and a century old this year. that's the delete mail. some of its role in the public life during the digital age. i think fundamentally from his role is to give _ i think fundamentally from his role is to give a — i think fundamentally from his role is to give a voice _ i think fundamentally from his role is to give a voice to _ i think fundamentally from his role is to give a voice to the _

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how can a different way of editing the paper, but that doesn't take i the paper, but that doesn't take away— the paper, but that doesn't take away from — the paper, but that doesn't take away from the _ the paper, but that doesn't take away from the astonishing - the paper, but that doesn't takel away from the astonishing legacy they left— away from the astonishing legacy they left behind. _ away from the astonishing legacy they left behind. the _ away from the astonishing legacy they left behind.— away from the astonishing legacy they left behind. the mail seems to be kickin: they left behind. the mail seems to be kicking down _ they left behind. the mail seems to be kicking down as _ they left behind. the mail seems to be kicking down as well— they left behind. the mail seems to be kicking down as well as - they left behind. the mail seems toj be kicking down as well as punching up. you will go after those who are not necessarily powerful or part of the establishment. 0ur benefit cheats for example, fair game commencement hancock. there are any different category- _ commencement hancock. there are any different category. but _ commencement hancock. there are any different category. but i _ commencement hancock. there are any different category. but i anybody - 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who cheats the _ different category. but i anybody who cheats the system _ different category. but i anybody who cheats the system or- different category. but i anybody who cheats the system or who i different category. but i anybody - who cheats the system or who breaks the law _ who cheats the system or who breaks the law risk— who cheats the system or who breaks the law risk being _ who cheats the system or who breaks the law risk being held _ who cheats the system or who breaks the law risk being held to _ who cheats the system or who breaks the law risk being held to account - the law risk being held to account by the _ the law risk being held to account by the standards _ the law risk being held to account by the standards that _ the law risk being held to account by the standards that apply- the law risk being held to account by the standards that apply both i the law risk being held to account. by the standards that apply both in public— by the standards that apply both in public life — by the standards that apply both in public life and _ by the standards that apply both in public life and personal _ public life and personal responsibility. - public life and personal responsibility. they - public life and personalj responsibility. they are public life and personal i responsibility. they are to public life and personal - responsibility. they are to a different _ responsibility. they are to a different magnitude - responsibility. they are to a different magnitude on- responsibility. they are to a different magnitude on thel responsibility. they are to a - different magnitude on the fence and hopefully— different magnitude on the fence and hopefully we — different magnitude on the fence and hopefully we will _ different magnitude on the fence and hopefully we will balance _ different magnitude on the fence and hopefully we will balance that - different magnitude on the fence and hopefully we will balance that out. hopefully we will balance that out and away — hopefully we will balance that out and away the _ hopefully we will balance that out and away the stories _ hopefully we will balance that out and away the stories are - hopefully we will balance that out. and away the stories are presented in the _ and away the stories are presented in the paper~ — and away the stories are presented in the paper-— in the paper. victoria, the son is in the paper. victoria, the son is in a ost in the paper. victoria, the son is in a post to _ in the paper. victoria, the son is in a post to kicking _ in the paper. victoria, the son is in a post to kicking down. - in the paper. victoria, the son is in a post to kicking down. i'm i in the paper. victoria, the son is| in a post to kicking down. i'm not sure that is _ in a post to kicking down. i'm not sure that is entirely _ in a post to kicking down. i'm not sure that is entirely fair. - in a post to kicking down. i'm not sure that is entirely fair. i - in a post to kicking down. i'm not sure that is entirely fair. i think. sure that is entirely fair. i think i added the paper in a different way to some of my predecessor. —— the sun. i make it my conscious is heading to work with people on stories a lot of the time, and i have brilliant relationships with many celebrities and their agents and i think we do a lot with turning and i think we do a lot with turning a positive force for good. so many campaigns we've done during the pandemic have been massively in the public interest. for example, we got 50,000 readers to volunteer to help staff the vaccination centres with

our jabs army staff the vaccination centres with ourjabs army campaign. we are a two—minute force for good and i think the other point i wanted to make, going back to your other question was really interesting that, six weeks before the pandemic started, i took over. quite a different experience than. one of the things i noticed was the huge appetite for the public for information about this terrible coronavirus, so you saw a huge uplifting and newspaper sales and digitally traffic was through the roof and people were desperate for information attorney to assess newspaper brands and trusted sources and hand in glove with that you have the government coming to us saying we really need your help to get this public service message out there, so this sort of fees back into the questions you're asking at the beginning about the role of mass—market brands and the pandemic has proved how vitally important we are. . , ,., y has proved how vitally important we are. . , ~ , are. absolutely right. as mass-market _ are. absolutely right. as mass-market brands - are. absolutely right. as| mass-market brands you are. absolutely right. as - mass-market brands you can get are. absolutely right. as _ mass-market brands you can get that mass—market brands you can get that message out to as many people as possible in one go. emily, the evening standards had a long established relationship with the conservatives. and the conservative party. george osborne was editor in

chief. is it a political paper quiz blue a very political. brute chief. is it a political paper quiz blue a very political.— blue a very political. we are influential _ blue a very political. we are influential in _ blue a very political. we are influential in westminster. l blue a very political. we are - influential in westminster. only a year ago — influential in westminster. only a year ago we were voted the most to read by— year ago we were voted the most to read by mps. i think that is got a lot to _ read by mps. i think that is got a lot to do — read by mps. i think that is got a lot to do with our physical presence in westminster. you literally cannot escape _ in westminster. you literally cannot escape us~ — in westminster. you literally cannot escape us. copies are taken by the westminster doorkeeper to the tea room _ westminster doorkeeper to the tea room and _ westminster doorkeeper to the tea room and other strategic locations when _ room and other strategic locations when you — room and other strategic locations when you walk out as an mp or a a or theyare— when you walk out as an mp or a a or they are there — when you walk out as an mp or a a or they are there in the tube station if you _ they are there in the tube station if you take — they are there in the tube station if you take a taxi at the member store _ if you take a taxi at the member store and — if you take a taxi at the member store and member tensions come a big pile. store and member tensions come a big pile~ are _ store and member tensions come a big pile. are sitting in the underground car park _ pile. are sitting in the underground car park. within westminster we are widely— car park. within westminster we are widely read. — car park. within westminster we are widely read, very influential, we are breaking often the time they get to us is— are breaking often the time they get to us is between 130 and 2pm, and they have — to us is between 130 and 2pm, and they have got big statements to make that afternoon come off big debates, i that afternoon come off big debates, i mean. _ that afternoon come off big debates, i mean. i_ that afternoon come off big debates, i mean, i remember on the first day

i mean, i remember on the first day i arrived _ i mean, i remember on the first day i arrived here — i mean, i remember on the first day i arrived here which was injuly, i joined _ i arrived here which was injuly, i joined like — i arrived here which was injuly, i joined like victoria, did you join during — joined like victoria, did you join during the — joined like victoria, did you join during the pandemic or twojust before — during the pandemic or twojust before i— during the pandemic or two 'ust before. ., . , during the pandemic or two 'ust before. ., ., , , before. ijoined after the first big lockdown. i'm _ before. ijoined after the first big lockdown. i'm a _ before. ijoined after the first big lockdown. i'm a very _ before. ijoined after the first big lockdown. i'm a very first - before. ijoined after the first big lockdown. i'm a very first day - before. ijoined after the first big lockdown. i'm a very first day i i before. ijoined after the first big i lockdown. i'm a very first day i had to do the paper — lockdown. i'm a very first day i had to do the paper and _ lockdown. i'm a very first day i had to do the paper and put _ lockdown. i'm a very first day i had to do the paper and put that - lockdown. i'm a very first day i had to do the paper and put that the i lockdown. i'm a very first day i had i to do the paper and put that the bed and then— to do the paper and put that the bed and then go straight to westminster to interview boris johnson with our brilliance _ to interview boris johnson with our brilliance or— to interview boris johnson with our brilliance or lobby legends. political editor. assess head aid come _ political editor. assess head aid come out — political editor. assess head aid come out the door to meet us, she a copy of— come out the door to meet us, she a copy of the _ come out the door to meet us, she a copy of the standard tucked under her arm. — copy of the standard tucked under her arm. i— copy of the standard tucked under her arm, i was standing a little bit behind _ her arm, i was standing a little bit behind joe — her arm, i was standing a little bit behind joe so i don't think she saw me. behind joe so i don't think she saw me i_ behind joe so i don't think she saw me i know— behind joe so i don't think she saw me. i know if few slightly bad temper— me. i know if few slightly bad temper words were expressed about our guiet _ temper words were expressed about our quiet wash this leader when he had done _ our quiet wash this leader when he had done that they are boris johnson in the _ had done that they are boris johnson in the handling of the pending report— in the handling of the pending report that the paper must literally 'ust report that the paper must literally just landed. —— handling of the pandemic _ just landed. -- handling of the pandemic-— just landed. -- handling of the andemic. �* ., pandemic. are you a political paper for the conservative _ pandemic. are you a political paper for the conservative party? - pandemic. are you a political paper for the conservative party? no. - pandemic. are you a political paper for the conservative party? no. i i for the conservative party? no. i think we would _

for the conservative party? no. i think we would change _ forthe conservative party? no. i think we would change depending on who we _ think we would change depending on who we wanted or her we thought was best to _ who we wanted or her we thought was best to leave the country. we didn't come _ best to leave the country. we didn't come out _ best to leave the country. we didn't come out forjeremy corbyn. i don't remember— come out forjeremy corbyn. i don't remember and come out forjeremy corbyn. i don't rememberand it many come out forjeremy corbyn. i don't remember and it many newspapers doing _ remember and it many newspapers doing that — remember and it many newspapers doinu that. , ., ., �* doing that. even the guardian didn't doing that. even the guardian didn't do that. doing that. even the guardian didn't do that- even _ doing that. even the guardian didn't do that. even the _ doing that. even the guardian didn't do that. even the guardian. - doing that. even the guardian didn't do that. even the guardian. we - doing that. even the guardian didn't do that. even the guardian. we did| do that. even the guardian. we did b the do that. even the guardian. we did by the way — do that. even the guardian. we did by the way way _ do that. even the guardian. we did by the way way before _ do that. even the guardian. we did by the way way before my - do that. even the guardian. we did by the way way before my time - do that. even the guardian. we did i by the way way before my time come out for— by the way way before my time come out for tony— by the way way before my time come out for tony blair. no, i would absolutely take each election depending on who we thought was the i’ili'it depending on who we thought was the right person, that our readers start as well— right person, that our readers start as well to _ right person, that our readers start as well to take the country forward in the _ as well to take the country forward in the best— as well to take the country forward in the best possible way. and that is the _ in the best possible way. and that is the same for the mayor. markets went, the is the same for the mayor. markets went. the hope _ is the same for the mayor. markets went, the hope is _ is the same for the mayor. markets went, the hope is any _ is the same for the mayor. markets went, the hope is any school, - went, the hope is any school, especially political ones, will have real impact. —— tobyn. —— and for change. they are notjust there to win wars. is that more difficult and error politicians tend to try to tough things out, brexit nations, shame would say doesn't come as easily to public figures these days. in a way that comes back to the point _ in a way that comes back to the point i — in a way that comes back to the point i was _ in a way that comes back to the point i was talking _ in a way that comes back to the point i was talking about -

in a way that comes back to thel point i was talking about earlier, which _ point i was talking about earlier, which is — point i was talking about earlier, which is that _ point i was talking about earlier, which is that in _ point i was talking about earlier, which is that in regards- point i was talking about earlier, which is that in regards to - point i was talking about earlier, which is that in regards to the i point i was talking about earlier, i which is that in regards to the met hancock— which is that in regards to the met hancock story, _ which is that in regards to the met hancock story, clearly— which is that in regards to the met hancock story, clearly if— which is that in regards to the met hancock story, clearly if you - which is that in regards to the met hancock story, clearly if you had i hancock story, clearly if you had been _ hancock story, clearly if you had been taken _ hancock story, clearly if you had been taken in _ hancock story, clearly if you had been taken in downing - hancock story, clearly if you had been taken in downing street i hancock story, clearly if you had i been taken in downing street which is symptomatic— been taken in downing street which is symptomatic of— been taken in downing street which is symptomatic of a _ been taken in downing street which is symptomatic of a wider— been taken in downing street which is symptomatic of a wider feeling i. is symptomatic of a wider feeling i think— is symptomatic of a wider feeling i think in— is symptomatic of a wider feeling i think in downing _ is symptomatic of a wider feeling i think in downing street, _ is symptomatic of a wider feeling i think in downing street, that - is symptomatic of a wider feeling i think in downing street, that they| think in downing street, that they are going — think in downing street, that they are going to— think in downing street, that they are going to try— think in downing street, that they are going to try and _ think in downing street, that they are going to try and out _ think in downing street, that they are going to try and out ride - think in downing street, that they are going to try and out ride the l are going to try and out ride the media — are going to try and out ride the media and _ are going to try and out ride the media. and carrie _ are going to try and out ride the media. and carrie are _ are going to try and out ride the media. and carrie are doing - are going to try and out ride the. media. and carrie are doing what they want. — media. and carrie are doing what they want. not— media. and carrie are doing what they want, not to _ media. and carrie are doing what they want, not to be _ media. and carrie are doing what they want, not to be held - media. and carrie are doing what they want, not to be held to - media. and carrie are doing what. they want, not to be held to account by the _ they want, not to be held to account by the press — they want, not to be held to account by the press or— they want, not to be held to account by the press or by— they want, not to be held to account by the press or by broadcast - they want, not to be held to account by the press or by broadcast media. | by the press or by broadcast media. ithink— by the press or by broadcast media. i think they— by the press or by broadcast media. i think they were _ by the press or by broadcast media. i think they were proved _ by the press or by broadcast media. i think they were proved to - by the press or by broadcast media. i think they were proved to media i i think they were proved to media doing _ i think they were proved to media doing wrong — i think they were proved to media doing wrong in— i think they were proved to media doing wrong in this _ i think they were proved to media doing wrong in this instance. - i think they were proved to media doing wrong in this instance. thel doing wrong in this instance. the leaders _ doing wrong in this instance. the leaders of— doing wrong in this instance. the leaders of class _ doing wrong in this instance. the leaders of class fleet _ doing wrong in this instance. the leaders of class fleet street - doing wrong in this instance. the| leaders of class fleet street were universally— leaders of class fleet street were universally and _ leaders of class fleet street were universally and condemnation - leaders of class fleet street were universally and condemnation our front— universally and condemnation our front page. — universally and condemnation our front page. how— universally and condemnation our front page, how can _ universally and condemnation our front page, how can he _ universally and condemnation our front page, how can he klingon? i universally and condemnation our. front page, how can he klingon? lo and behold — front page, how can he klingon? lo and behold within _ front page, how can he klingon? lo and behold within 24 _ front page, how can he klingon? lo and behold within 24 hours - front page, how can he klingon? lo and behold within 24 hours he - front page, how can he klingon? lo and behold within 24 hours he hadl and behold within 24 hours he had enforced _ and behold within 24 hours he had enforced up — and behold within 24 hours he had enforced up if— and behold within 24 hours he had enforced up if there _ and behold within 24 hours he had enforced up if there had _ and behold within 24 hours he had enforced up if there had been- and behold within 24 hours he had enforced up if there had been thel enforced up if there had been the hope _ enforced up if there had been the hope i_ enforced up if there had been the hope i think— enforced up if there had been the hope i think in— enforced up if there had been the hope i think in downing _ enforced up if there had been the hope i think in downing street, i enforced up if there had been thei hope i think in downing street, no great _ hope i think in downing street, no great secret — hope i think in downing street, no great secret that _ hope i think in downing street, no great secret that it _ hope i think in downing street, no great secret that it would - hope i think in downing street, no great secret that it would be - hope i think in downing street, no great secret that it would be a - great secret that it would be a three — great secret that it would be a three day— great secret that it would be a three day story— great secret that it would be a three day story and _ great secret that it would be a three day story and we - great secret that it would be a three day story and we would i great secret that it would be a - three day story and we would move on but they— three day story and we would move on but they were — three day story and we would move on but they were very— three day story and we would move on but they were very wrong. _ three day story and we would move on but they were very wrong. and - three day story and we would move on but they were very wrong. and they i but they were very wrong. and they paid a _ but they were very wrong. and they paid a heavy— but they were very wrong. and they paid a heavy political— but they were very wrong. and they paid a heavy political price - but they were very wrong. and they paid a heavy political price for - paid a heavy political price for that — paid a heavy political price for that. . ., ., ., ~' , that. victoria, do you think is trickier for _ that. victoria, do you think is trickier for scoops _ that. victoria, do you think is trickier for scoops to - that. victoria, do you think is trickier for scoops to really i that. victoria, do you think is i trickier for scoops to really land these days because of what some people suggest is an age where there

is no shame any more? i people suggest is an age where there is no shame any more?— is no shame any more? i don't know. i think is no shame any more? i don't know. i think some — is no shame any more? i don't know. i think some of _ is no shame any more? i don't know. i think some of the _ is no shame any more? i don't know. i think some of the or— is no shame any more? i don't know. i think some of the or the _ is no shame any more? i don't know. i think some of the or the other - i think some of the or the other stores you referred to like the scandal around what did priti patel bully her staff, you have the general scanner. that was complicated. a lot of detail. in terms of priti patel, it wasn't something that affected the whole country. it was our round about how she was treating civil servants. it didn't affect everybody up and down the country and away way distorted. that is why got the cut through because lockdown has affected every single one of us in the way nobody will ever live through any like this. that is the difference i think. �* , ., ., think. ok. i'm interested now and how scoops _ think. ok. i'm interested now and how scoops might _ think. ok. i'm interested now and how scoops might help _ think. ok. i'm interested now and how scoops might help the - think. ok. i'm interested now and| how scoops might help the bottom line. victoria come in the olden days a scoop like yours would've had people rushing to the newsstands to get there copy of the newspaper. it get there copy of the newspaper. it did. i get there copy of the newspaper. it did- i suspect _ get there copy of the newspaper. it did. i suspect there _ get there copy of the newspaper. it did. i suspect there was _ get there copy of the newspaper. it did. i suspect there was a - get there copy of the newspaper. it did. i suspect there was a lot - get there copy of the newspaper. it did. i suspect there was a lot of- did. i suspect there was a lot of traffic to the _ did. i suspect there was a lot of traffic to the website _ did. i suspect there was a lot of traffic to the website as - did. i suspect there was a lot of traffic to the website as well. i did. i suspect there was a lot of. traffic to the website as well. but surely not as much as perhaps you would have got to people about a physical copy. the

would have got to people about a physical copy-— would have got to people about a physical copy. the physical copies of our paper _ physical copy. the physical copies of our paper went _ physical copy. the physical copies of our paper went up _ physical copy. the physical copiesj of our paper went up considerably that morning on friday. and also on the morning of sunday morning which was the day after the race or nation. the people rest of the new stand to buy more copies. during lockdown times, we haven't been able to sell as many copies because shops have been close, thankfully things are opening up now. but digital come fascinating story. that video when we put the video out there, it is been the biggest most viewed video in the sense history. i think the reason for that is people really wanted to see for themselves is a true, isn't real, sometimes you can look at a grab at the picture and really wonder what is the circumstances, is it that bad, could have been faked and we watch the video, you know this is real. the traffic to our website and our apps over the whole of that weekend was hugely up. and when i start my day editing the newspaper the top of my conference listed google search, what is everybody searching for this morning and they looking at on

facebook and twitter. that informs where we are. on the morning of the hancock story on the friday morning, all the top items on google, facebook, twitter, all hancock. that is when you know it has national cut through. did is when you know it has national cut throu~h. , ,. is when you know it has national cut throu~h. , y., through. did you pay the whistle-blower? - through. did you pay the whistle-blower? i- through. did you pay the whistle-blower? i would | through. did you pay the - whistle-blower? i would not get through. did you pay the _ whistle-blower? i would not get into that i need whistle-blower? i would not get into that i need to _ whistle-blower? i would not get into that i need to protect _ whistle-blower? i would not get into that i need to protect them. - whistle-blower? i would not get into that i need to protect them. why - whistle-blower? i would not get into that i need to protect them. why did i bother asking. _ that i need to protect them. why did i bother asking. nice _ that i need to protect them. why did i bother asking. nice try. _ that i need to protect them. why did i bother asking. nice try. i _ that i need to protect them. why did i bother asking. nice try. i know, - i bother asking. nice try. i know, pathetic really. i want to ask you, tobyn, the matt daily mail, targeted by campaigners including stop funding paid, why do you think that is? �* . ., , funding paid, why do you think that is? �* , ., , , funding paid, why do you think that is? , i, ., ., is? because it has very strong and owerful is? because it has very strong and powerful views — is? because it has very strong and powerful views that _ is? because it has very strong and powerful views that not _ is? because it has very strong and powerful views that not everybody agrees _ powerful views that not everybody agrees with — powerful views that not everybody agrees with my— powerful views that not everybody agrees with my not _ powerful views that not everybody agrees with my not much - powerful views that not everybody agrees with my not much to - powerful views that not everybody agrees with my not much to my i agrees with my not much to my amazement _ agrees with my not much to my amazement. but _ agrees with my not much to my amazement. but often - agrees with my not much to my amazement. but often they. agrees with my not much to myl amazement. but often they take agrees with my not much to my - amazement. but often they take holy the wrong _ amazement. but often they take holy the wrong target, _ amazement. but often they take holy the wrong target, the _ amazement. but often they take holy the wrong target, the daily— amazement. but often they take holy the wrong target, the daily mail- the wrong target, the daily mail amongst — the wrong target, the daily mail amongst other— the wrong target, the daily mail amongst other things _ the wrong target, the daily mail amongst other things when - the wrong target, the daily mail amongst other things when the | amongst other things when the inaugural— amongst other things when the inaugural public— amongst other things when the inaugural public service - amongst other things when the inaugural public service in - inaugural public service in journalism _ inaugural public service in journalism award - inaugural public service in journalism award and - inaugural public service in journalism award and the | inaugural public service in - journalism award and the british journal— journalism award and the british journal of— journalism award and the british journal of this _ journalism award and the british journal of this year. _ journalism award and the british journal of this year. we - journalism award and the british journal of this year. we are - journalism award and the british journal of this year. we are a i journal of this year. we are a tremendous— journal of this year. we are a tremendous force _ journal of this year. we are a tremendous force for- journal of this year. we are a tremendous force for good, i journal of this year. we are a i tremendous force for good, not journal of this year. we are a - tremendous force for good, not just in holding _ tremendous force for good, not just in holding the — tremendous force for good, not just in holding the powerful— tremendous force for good, not just in holding the powerful to— tremendous force for good, not just in holding the powerful to account i in holding the powerful to account but in _ in holding the powerful to account but in some — in holding the powerful to account but in some of— in holding the powerful to account but in some of the _ in holding the powerful to account but in some of the campaigns - in holding the powerful to account but in some of the campaigns we i in holding the powerful to account - but in some of the campaigns we have

done over— but in some of the campaigns we have done over the — but in some of the campaigns we have done over the past— but in some of the campaigns we have done over the past decade _ but in some of the campaigns we have done over the past decade and - but in some of the campaigns we have done over the past decade and in- done over the past decade and in this year— done over the past decade and in this year with _ done over the past decade and in this year with our— done over the past decade and in this year with our mail— done over the past decade and in this year with our mail force - this year with our mail force campaign, _ this year with our mail force campaign, which— this year with our mail force campaign, which raised - this year with our mail force | campaign, which raised over this year with our mail force - campaign, which raised over £25 million _ campaign, which raised over £25 million in — campaign, which raised over £25 million in a — campaign, which raised over £25 million in a space _ campaign, which raised over £25 million in a space of— campaign, which raised over £25 million in a space of 12 _ campaign, which raised over £25 million in a space of 12 months, i million in a space of 12 months, with— million in a space of 12 months, with ppe — million in a space of 12 months, with ppe and _ million in a space of 12 months, with ppe and computers- million in a space of 12 months, with ppe and computers for- with ppe and computers for disadvantaged _ with ppe and computers for disadvantaged children - with ppe and computers for. disadvantaged children which with ppe and computers for- disadvantaged children which is an astonishing — disadvantaged children which is an astonishing achievement - disadvantaged children which is an astonishing achievement and - astonishing achievement and testimony— astonishing achievement and testimony to— astonishing achievement and testimony to our— astonishing achievement and testimony to our readers - astonishing achievement and - testimony to our readers generosity. and their— testimony to our readers generosity. and their sense _ testimony to our readers generosity. and their sense of— testimony to our readers generosity. and their sense of engagement - testimony to our readers generosity. and their sense of engagement with| testimony to our readers generosity. i and their sense of engagement with a brand _ and their sense of engagement with a brand they— and their sense of engagement with a brand they really _ and their sense of engagement with a brand they really trust _ and their sense of engagement with a brand they really trust and _ and their sense of engagement with a brand they really trust and feel- and their sense of engagement with a brand they really trust and feel as - brand they really trust and feel as part of— brand they really trust and feel as part of the — brand they really trust and feel as part of the family, _ brand they really trust and feel as part of the family, not _ brand they really trust and feel as part of the family, not just - brand they really trust and feel asl part of the family, not just another thing _ part of the family, not just another thing they— part of the family, not just another thing they bite _ part of the family, not just another thing they bite them _ part of the family, not just another thing they bite them in _ part of the family, not just another thing they bite them in front - part of the family, not just another thing they bite them in front of- part of the family, not just another thing they bite them in front of the identity— thing they bite them in front of the identity and — thing they bite them in front of the identity and their— thing they bite them in front of the identity and their belief _ thing they bite them in front of the identity and their belief and - identity and their belief and supports _ identity and their belief and supports them. _ identity and their belief and supports them. where - identity and their belief and i supports them. where things identity and their belief and - supports them. where things are going _ supports them. where things are going wrong _ supports them. where things are going wrong and _ supports them. where things are going wrong. and we _ supports them. where things are going wrong. and we supply- supports them. where things are going wrong. and we supply 42 i going wrong. and we supply 42 million — going wrong. and we supply 42 million pieces— going wrong. and we supply 42 million pieces of— going wrong. and we supply 42 million pieces of ppe _ going wrong. and we supply 42 million pieces of ppe to- going wrong. and we supply 42 million pieces of ppe to the - going wrong. and we supply 42 i million pieces of ppe to the front line of— million pieces of ppe to the front line of the — million pieces of ppe to the front line of the nhs _ million pieces of ppe to the front line of the nhs which _ million pieces of ppe to the front line of the nhs which i— million pieces of ppe to the front line of the nhs which i think- million pieces of ppe to the front line of the nhs which i think is i million pieces of ppe to the front line of the nhs which i think is a | line of the nhs which i think is a first for— line of the nhs which i think is a first for a — line of the nhs which i think is a first for a newspaper. _ line of the nhs which i think is a first for a newspaper. at - line of the nhs which i think is a first for a newspaper. a powerful campaign- _ first for a newspaper. a powerful campaign- how— first for a newspaper. a powerful campaign. how much _ first for a newspaper. a powerful campaign. how much money - first for a newspaper. a powerful i campaign. how much money would first for a newspaper. a powerful - campaign. how much money would you have forked overfor the campaign. how much money would you have forked over for the hancock story? have forked over for the hancock sto ? ., ., �* , have forked over for the hancock sto? ., ., �*, ., ., story? that wouldn't be for me to sa . story? that wouldn't be for me to say- laughter — story? that wouldn't be for me to say. laughter. _ story? that wouldn't be for me to say. laughter. not— story? that wouldn't be for me to say. laughter. not on _ story? that wouldn't be for me to say. laughter. not on their- story? that wouldn't be for me to i say. laughter. not on their show, an a . say. laughter. not on their show, anyway- not — say. laughter. not on their show, anyway- not on _ say. laughter. not on their show, anyway. not on the _ say. laughter. not on their show, anyway. not on the show, - say. laughter. not on their show, anyway. not on the show, no. - anyway. not on the show, no. victoria come _ anyway. not on the show, no. victoria come if _ anyway. not on the show, no. victoria come if you _ anyway. not on the show, no. victoria come if you could - anyway. not on the show, no. | victoria come if you could send anyway. not on the show, no. - victoria come if you could send the check _ victoria come if you could send the check to _ victoria come if you could send the check to my — victoria come if you could send the check to my usual— victoria come if you could send the check to my usual address, - victoria come if you could send the check to my usual address, that. check to my usual address, that would _ check to my usual address, that would be — check to my usual address, that would be great. _ check to my usual address, that would be great.— check to my usual address, that would be great. emily, how would line are on — would be great. emily, how would line are on commuters _ would be great. emily, how would line are on commuters returning i would be great. emily, how would| line are on commuters returning to the offices, do you worry about

advertiser boycotts because that is obviously, your main source of income. ~ ., obviously, your main source of income. ~ . ., ., , income. we are, we do want commuters to come back- — income. we are, we do want commuters to come back- we _ income. we are, we do want commuters to come back. we want _ income. we are, we do want commuters to come back. we want our— to come back. we want our advertisers to feel confident, our print— advertisers to feel confident, our print advertising to feel confident that they— print advertising to feel confident that they are being picked up by the usual— that they are being picked up by the usual audience but we have been doing _ usual audience but we have been doing home delivery to 200,000 homes and we _ doing home delivery to 200,000 homes and we pivoted on the first day of lockdown — and we pivoted on the first day of lockdown which i think is astounding, we kept on the streets, the whole _ astounding, we kept on the streets, the whole way to this pandemic to success— the whole way to this pandemic to success of— the whole way to this pandemic to success of lockdowns and i think there _ success of lockdowns and i think there was— success of lockdowns and i think there was an incredibly important thing _ there was an incredibly important thing for— there was an incredibly important thing for us to do and as you mentioned earlier, we are a thinner paper— mentioned earlier, we are a thinner paper at— mentioned earlier, we are a thinner paper at the — mentioned earlier, we are a thinner paper at the moment. mentioned earlier, we are a thinner paperat the moment. but mentioned earlier, we are a thinner paper at the moment. but we cannot help a _ paper at the moment. but we cannot help a pandemic and i think it was incredibly— help a pandemic and i think it was incredibly important for all of us here _ incredibly important for all of us here that — incredibly important for all of us here that we never disappeared from the streets _ here that we never disappeared from the streets because i was not editorial— the streets because i was not editorial when we wanted to lockdown. london was empty, we were

in the _ lockdown. london was empty, we were in the most _ lockdown. london was empty, we were in the most scary situation looking at what _ in the most scary situation looking at what was happening in italy. at i have grown — at what was happening in italy. at i have grown up with the evening standard — have grown up with the evening standard and rather like the red dress _ standard and rather like the red dress it— standard and rather like the red dress it is— standard and rather like the red dress it is like a simple commit is like a— dress it is like a simple commit is like a legacy symbol of london. if we have _ like a legacy symbol of london. if we have disappeared, that would've been terrible. —— it is like a symbol _ been terrible. —— it is like a symbol. we have taken a financial hit but _ symbol. we have taken a financial hit but we — symbol. we have taken a financial hit but we are seeing our advertisers coming back, some of them _ advertisers coming back, some of them are — advertisers coming back, some of them are still being hit by the pandemic, travel, we have big advertisement from travel but we are really— advertisement from travel but we are really confident they all want to return _ really confident they all want to return and the people will return to his normal— return and the people will return to his normal thickness, but we at the same _ his normal thickness, but we at the same time — his normal thickness, but we at the same time i— his normal thickness, but we at the same time i came here to pivot us for more _ same time i came here to pivot us for more digital. we are seeing much of a younger— for more digital. we are seeing much of a younger audience reading digital— of a younger audience reading digital only. our revenues there have _ digital only. our revenues there have grown dramatically, so has audience — have grown dramatically, so has audience since i was able to put all my restructures in from the end of october. _ my restructures in from the end of october. we — my restructures in from the end of october, we have gained an extra 8 million _ october, we have gained an extra 8 million unique viewers from a month on month _ million unique viewers from a month on month it— million unique viewers from a month on month. , ., ,

on month. it is going well. it is ureat on month. it is going well. it is great that _ on month. it is going well. it is great that the _ on month. it is going well. it is great that the paper _ on month. it is going well. it is great that the paper continues| on month. it is going well. it is i great that the paper continues to get out there on the streets during the pandemic, very quick question, victoria. has rupert been in touch? you must be chuffed. he victoria. has rupert been in touch? you must be chuffed.— you must be chuffed. he is actually in the uk at — you must be chuffed. he is actually in the uk at the — you must be chuffed. he is actually in the uk at the moment. - you must be chuffed. he is actually in the uk at the moment. i've - you must be chuffed. he is actually in the uk at the moment. i've seen| you must be chuffed. he is actually. in the uk at the moment. i've seen a fair bit of him. in the uk at the moment. i've seen a fair bit of him-— fair bit of him. taking off for dinner i suspect _ fair bit of him. taking off for dinner i suspect will - fair bit of him. taking off for dinner i suspect will stop i fair bit of him. taking off for dinner i suspect will stop all| fair bit of him. taking off for. dinner i suspect will stop all on him. what a fantastic show. great to see you guys. victoria, tobyn, and emily, thank you all. that is it. the media show will be back same time next week. thank you for watching. hello again. it was a warmer day on friday was a bit more of thatjuly sunshine to go around. what a fine place to spend that time on the white sand beaches of the western aisles i'll skim a glorious picture. one or two storms around however

heading into the weekend, though storms will become much more intense and much more widespread and cause problems. overnight tonight, showers and thunderstorms clearing away from northern england and scotland, further south a ban of rain started to edge its way in and it will turn quite muggy and submissive fog patch is around across the hills and coast of england and wales. tomorrow, the first ban of thunder and rain pushes northwards. thunderstorms follow and they can bring 30 mm of rain injust a space ofan they can bring 30 mm of rain injust a space of an hour it could cause localised surface water flooding. but the way the winds are, that will tend to lock this line of thunderstorms in place across parts of southwest england and we could see something like 40 to 80 mm of rainfall. and that could cause some flooding issues.

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