tv Dateline London BBC News July 17, 2021 11:30am-12:01pm BST
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less than must get a covid—19 tests less than 24 must get a covid—19 tests less than 2a hours before entering france. pop p°p�*up 2a hours before entering france. pop pop—up vaccine centre is open across england this weekend any push to get more people vaccinated before the country unlocks next week. now it is time for dateline with schonert lay. now it's time for dateline with shaun ley. hello and welcome to the programme which brings together bbc specialists with foreign correspondents who write, blog and broadcast to audiences back home from the dateline london. this week — england gets back its freedom from covid restrictions. but how long will it last? in cuba and south africa, thousands have taken to the the streets protesting at their respective plight. two popular revolutions betrayed?
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with me this week are stephanie bolzen of germany's die welt, michael goldfarb, whose blog aims to be the first rough draught of history, hence its title. and here in the studio with me, the bbc�*s diplomatic correspondent, james landale. welcome, james. welcome to both of you, lovely to see you both again, albeit at a distance for now. now monday, will be what borisjohnson once liked to call "freedom day"— the one on which all the legal restrictions imposed on people in this pandemic will be lifted. the prime minister, borisjohnson, used to say this final stage of unlocking would be irreversible, but now he's not so sure. globally, covid appears to be on the march again. cases are rising in france, germany, the netherlands and spain. in indonesia, japan and vietnam, it seems rampant. stephanie, first, the dutch government under mark rutte i , the prime minister, announced three weeks ago or so that restrictions were being lifted and he has now had to reimpose some of them and has even apologised, saying it was a mistake. how worrying a precedent is that for the uk, do you
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think? i precedent is that for the uk, do you think? ~' precedent is that for the uk, do you think? ~ , , ., , . precedent is that for the uk, do you think? ~ , , . , . ., think? i think this is a very much a recedent think? i think this is a very much a precedent for _ think? i think this is a very much a precedent for the _ think? i think this is a very much a precedent for the uk. _ think? i think this is a very much a precedent for the uk. he - think? i think this is a very much a precedent for the uk. he had - think? i think this is a very much a precedent for the uk. he had to i precedent for the uk. he had to apologise or politically it has been very difficult for him and i wonder what is next for borisjohnson in that sense. if you look at the netherlands and, of course, the reason for this is the delta mutation because the delta mutation is far more infectious than the variant we had before so in the netherlands and there is a 500% rise in infections and there were a lot of mass gatherings so there was a musical festival allowed again and we are all fed up with it, we understand, some want to go outside, but there were one not too big musical festivals and infections. but there were one not too big musicalfestivals and infections. i was covering the euros in wembley in the last weeks and thinking of a 65,000 people in wembley and former people around, people celebrating all over the country. we do not know yet how many infections that will have caused, but this is one thing.
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on monday, opening the floodgates, so to say. i think people are looking to quite a leak infection scenario in the next weeks in the uk. ~ . ., �* , ., uk. michael, the british are fortunate — uk. michael, the british are fortunate in _ uk. michael, the british are fortunate in they _ uk. michael, the british are fortunate in they have - uk. michael, the british are fortunate in they have not l uk. michael, the british are i fortunate in they have not only uk. michael, the british are - fortunate in they have not only been able to afford and source quite sufficient numbers of vaccine doses, in fact more than enough over the coming few months and every year we have already seen, but they have a population that, on the whole, has impressed vaccination. that is the argument downing street would doubtless use as to why we are different than the netherlands and elsewhere, but is there a potential risk it has created a false sense of security in the uk? i risk it has created a false sense of security in the uk?— security in the uk? i think it has created a false _ security in the uk? i think it has created a false sense _ security in the uk? i think it has created a false sense of- security in the uk? i think it hasi created a false sense of security security in the uk? i think it has i created a false sense of security in the government and are certainly amongst — the government and are certainly amongst conservative backbenchers who would probably describe themselves as libertarian. it really is false _ themselves as libertarian. it really is false i— themselves as libertarian. it really is false. i saw some polling in the last 48— is false. i saw some polling in the last 48 hours at 57% of the british population were thinking about
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carrying — population were thinking about carrying on with precautions anyway. because _ carrying on with precautions anyway. because they are aware that yes, we have a _ because they are aware that yes, we have a high— because they are aware that yes, we have a high vaccination rate and that is— have a high vaccination rate and that is good, but the younger pennie. — that is good, but the younger people, people under 30 have not really— people, people under 30 have not really been vaccinated and this is in distinction to a lot of our allies _ in distinction to a lot of our allies. and if you're just going to end up— allies. and if you're just going to end up with this delta variation running — end up with this delta variation running rampant. what stephanie was talking _ running rampant. what stephanie was talking about, 65,000 people at wembley, you're also talking about tens of— wembley, you're also talking about tens of thousand in leicester square and downtown manchester. not really observing _ and downtown manchester. not really observing much social distancing because — observing much social distancing because they are a little too drunk to do— because they are a little too drunk to do so— because they are a little too drunk to do so and we will see, i expect, in 10-14— to do so and we will see, i expect, in 10—14 days, there will be an incredible _ in 10—14 days, there will be an incredible spike. i'm not the only one, _ incredible spike. i'm not the only one. saiid — incredible spike. i'm not the only one, sajidjavid, incredible spike. i'm not the only one, sajid javid, the secretary of health. _ one, sajid javid, the secretary of health, says away as well. we are talking _ health, says away as well. we are talking about a mere ally and competitor in the netherlands, but a look at _ competitor in the netherlands, but a look at israel. israel had pretty
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much _ look at israel. israel had pretty much started this thing down, normal life had _ much started this thing down, normal life had pretty much resumed in the middle _ life had pretty much resumed in the middle of— life had pretty much resumed in the middle ofjune in tel aviv and now they are _ middle ofjune in tel aviv and now they are having, because of the viiiains— they are having, because of the villains of— they are having, because of the villains of the delta variant, they are starting to reimpose its restrictions —— the virulence of the delta _ restrictions —— the virulence of the delta variant. it has been clear since _ delta variant. it has been clear since january 2020 that herd immunity, let things go well through the population, people will develop natural— the population, people will develop natural immunity, was a point of view— natural immunity, was a point of view with— natural immunity, was a point of view with any cabinet and they are doing _ view with any cabinet and they are doing it _ view with any cabinet and they are doing it now, but doing it on the hacks _ doing it now, but doing it on the backs of— doing it now, but doing it on the backs of children. schoolkids, you know, _ backs of children. schoolkids, you know. we — backs of children. schoolkids, you know, we are coming to the end of term _ know, we are coming to the end of term and _ know, we are coming to the end of term and many schools have already shut down — term and many schools have already shut down. if not officially, it cleared — shut down. if not officially, it cleared here or a year here, because kids have _ cleared here or a year here, because kids have it— cleared here or a year here, because kids have it and it will continue to flow through them throughout the summer— flow through them throughout the summer and it would not be the first time in _ summer and it would not be the first time in history that borisjohnson had to—
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time in history that borisjohnson had to backtrack with wiffle and waffle _ had to backtrack with wiffle and waffle are some people call it and say, we _ waffle are some people call it and say, we have to change again. james, rior say, we have to change again. james, -rior to say, we have to change again. james, prior to doing — say, we have to change again. james, prior to doing the _ say, we have to change again. james, prior to doing the diplomatic - say, we have to change again. james, prior to doing the diplomatic bit, - prior to doing the diplomatic bit, you spent some years at westminster so you have a sense of the political background to this and at the thinking. do you think the government is making this move notwithstanding what has happened, because in some ways a lake at least cannot be blamed for the choices people have to make and they would argue, actually, in the end, the pandemic, to some extent, has infantilised people, we willjust do what the government tells us? and they want people to take ownership of their own health and risk factors? , , ., , factors? yes they do, but voters that they will — factors? yes they do, but voters that they will tend _ factors? yes they do, but voters that they will tend not _ factors? yes they do, but voters that they will tend not to - factors? yes they do, but voters l that they will tend not to respond very well — that they will tend not to respond very well if — that they will tend not to respond very well if they _ that they will tend not to respond very well if they are _ that they will tend not to respond very well if they are forced - that they will tend not to respond very well if they are forced to - that they will tend not to respond | very well if they are forced to take responsihiiity_ very well if they are forced to take responsibility for— very well if they are forced to take responsibility for their— very well if they are forced to take responsibility for their actions - very well if they are forced to take responsibility for their actions and j responsibility for their actions and they do— responsibility for their actions and they do not— responsibility for their actions and they do not necessarily _ responsibility for their actions and they do not necessarily work, - responsibility for their actions and | they do not necessarily work, they guite _ they do not necessarily work, they quite often — they do not necessarily work, they quite often blame _ they do not necessarily work, they quite often blame their— they do not necessarily work, they. quite often blame their governments. so they— quite often blame their governments. so they will— quite often blame their governments. so they will still— quite often blame their governments. so they will still get _ quite often blame their governments. so they will still get the _ quite often blame their governments. so they will still get the blame - so they will still get the blame anyway? so they will still get the blame an a ? , , so they will still get the blame an a ? y , anyway? they still get the blame later on. anyway? they still get the blame later on- the _ anyway? they still get the blame later on. the government - anyway? they still get the blame later on. the government is - anyway? they still get the blame l later on. the government is acting because _ later on. the government is acting because it — later on. the government is acting because it is — later on. the government is acting because it is under— later on. the government is acting
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because it is under pressure - later on. the government is acting because it is under pressure from i because it is under pressure from its own— because it is under pressure from its own backbenchers _ because it is under pressure from its own backbenchers and - its own backbenchers and economically _ its own backbenchers and economically from - its own backbenchers and - economically from businesses. its own backbenchers and _ economically from businesses. they had allowed — economically from businesses. they had allowed the _ economically from businesses. they had allowed the narrative _ economically from businesses. they had allowed the narrative to - economically from businesses. theyj had allowed the narrative to become this extraordinary— had allowed the narrative to become this extraordinary phrase, _ had allowed the narrative to become this extraordinary phrase, freedom i this extraordinary phrase, freedom day. this extraordinary phrase, freedom day to _ this extraordinary phrase, freedom da . ., , this extraordinary phrase, freedom da. ., , . , this extraordinary phrase, freedom da. ., , , this extraordinary phrase, freedom da. ., , ., , this extraordinary phrase, freedom day. to be fair, this is a word of the premier— day. to be fair, this is a word of the premier figures, _ day. to be fair, this is a word of the premier figures, not - day. to be fair, this is a word of. the premier figures, not something the premierfigures, not something journalists made up. it was a phrase that he was using dash the prime minister used. the that he was using dash the prime minister used.— that he was using dash the prime minister used. the point is that the lesson is a clearly _ minister used. the point is that the lesson is a clearly obvious - minister used. the point is that the lesson is a clearly obvious to - lesson is a clearly obvious to everyone _ lesson is a clearly obvious to everyone around _ lesson is a clearly obvious to everyone around the - lesson is a clearly obvious to everyone around the world l lesson is a clearly obvious to . everyone around the world this pandemic— everyone around the world this pandemic is— everyone around the world this pandemic is something - everyone around the world this pandemic is something we - everyone around the world this pandemic is something we are| everyone around the world this - pandemic is something we are going to have _ pandemic is something we are going to have to— pandemic is something we are going to have to get— pandemic is something we are going to have to get used _ pandemic is something we are going to have to get used to _ pandemic is something we are going to have to get used to and _ pandemic is something we are going to have to get used to and we - pandemic is something we are going to have to get used to and we are i to have to get used to and we are going _ to have to get used to and we are going to — to have to get used to and we are going to he — to have to get used to and we are going to be rolling _ to have to get used to and we are going to be rolling with _ to have to get used to and we are going to be rolling with it - to have to get used to and we are going to be rolling with it and - to have to get used to and we are going to be rolling with it and we | going to be rolling with it and we will have — going to be rolling with it and we will have to — going to be rolling with it and we will have to change _ going to be rolling with it and we will have to change because - will have to change because sometimes _ will have to change because sometimes we're _ will have to change because sometimes we're going - will have to change because sometimes we're going to l will have to change because . sometimes we're going to have will have to change because - sometimes we're going to have our foot on— sometimes we're going to have our foot on the — sometimes we're going to have our foot on the pedal _ sometimes we're going to have our foot on the pedal and _ sometimes we're going to have our foot on the pedal and sometimes l sometimes we're going to have our. foot on the pedal and sometimes we will he _ foot on the pedal and sometimes we will he to— foot on the pedal and sometimes we will he to take — foot on the pedal and sometimes we will be to take it _ foot on the pedal and sometimes we will be to take it all. _ foot on the pedal and sometimes we will be to take it all. and _ foot on the pedal and sometimes we will be to take it all. and a _ foot on the pedal and sometimes we will be to take it all. and a new - will be to take it all. and a new variant — will be to take it all. and a new variant wiii _ will be to take it all. and a new variant will come _ will be to take it all. and a new variant will come up _ will be to take it all. and a new variant will come up under- variant will come up under particular— variant will come up under particular vaccination- variant will come up under particular vaccination will. variant will come up under. particular vaccination will not variant will come up under- particular vaccination will not deal with it _ particular vaccination will not deal with it as— particular vaccination will not deal with it as effectively— particular vaccination will not deal with it as effectively as _ particular vaccination will not deal with it as effectively as others. iti with it as effectively as others. it is about— with it as effectively as others. it is about governments _ with it as effectively as others. it is about governments learning. with it as effectively as others. itj is about governments learning to balance _ is about governments learning to balance those _ is about governments learning to balance those competing - is about governments learning to . balance those competing pressures is about governments learning to - balance those competing pressures of health _ balance those competing pressures of health and _ balance those competing pressures of health and economy _ balance those competing pressures of health and economy and _ balance those competing pressures of health and economy and politics. - balance those competing pressures of health and economy and politics. i- health and economy and politics. i think— health and economy and politics. i think at— health and economy and politics. i think at the — health and economy and politics. i think at the risk— health and economy and politics. i think at the risk is _ health and economy and politics. i think at the risk is that _ health and economy and politics. i think at the risk is that by - health and economy and politics. i think at the risk is that by sort - health and economy and politics. i think at the risk is that by sort of i think at the risk is that by sort of allowing — think at the risk is that by sort of allowing the _ think at the risk is that by sort of allowing the impression - think at the risk is that by sort of allowing the impression to - think at the risk is that by sort of allowing the impression to get. think at the risk is that by sort of. allowing the impression to get there that somehow— allowing the impression to get there that somehow monday _ allowing the impression to get there that somehow monday clears - allowing the impression to get there that somehow monday clears the . allowing the impression to get there i that somehow monday clears the decks and it is— that somehow monday clears the decks
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and it is a _ that somehow monday clears the decks and it is a freedom _ that somehow monday clears the decks and it is a freedom from _ that somehow monday clears the decks and it is a freedom from their- that somehow monday clears the decks and it is a freedom from their own - and it is a freedom from their own in makes — and it is a freedom from their own in makes it— and it is a freedom from their own in makes it politically— and it is a freedom from their own in makes it politically harder- and it is a freedom from their own in makes it politically harder for. in makes it politically harder for the government— in makes it politically harder for the government to _ in makes it politically harder for the government to reimpose i in makes it politically harder for. the government to reimpose some restrictions— the government to reimpose some restrictions on _ the government to reimpose some restrictions on the _ the government to reimpose some restrictions on the future - the government to reimpose some restrictions on the future if- the government to reimpose some restrictions on the future if that i restrictions on the future if that is what — restrictions on the future if that is what was _ restrictions on the future if that is what was required. _ restrictions on the future if that is what was required. lett- restrictions on the future if that is what was required.— restrictions on the future if that is what was required. let me 'ust brina in is what was required. let me 'ust bring in both fl is what was required. let me 'ust bring in both your i is what was required. let me 'ust bring in both your direct �* bring in both your direct experiences in your home countries, stephanie and michael. stephanie first, we obviously heard angela merkel say she did not want brits coming to the uk, she wanted them all to go to quarantine and that didn't work and is not happening now in germany. what is at the situation in germany. what is at the situation in germany. what is at the situation in germany in terms of domestic side omaha restrictions being eased? there has been a fair media resistance and protests? and how looking in the run—up to this forthcoming general election? there are still some restrictions in place, but very few because the cases have gone down dramatically. they were very, very low for some time but because of the delta mutation, it is also now dominant in germany, the cases are rising as
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well so when angela merkel said she did not want any brits to come to the content, there are many countries have resisted that because of the tourism —— to the continent. but any german chancellor also had to understand it did not make much sense because at the delta variant was already prevalent in germany so there are no restrictions never brits to come into the country. of course, there is a very delicate situation because at the end of september there is a federal election and the government will be in the same situation like the british government, which way do you choose now? it has a real dilemma and compared with the uk, i think germans were far more feisty, in a way. there were a lot of protest and they did not follow the rules and it is also a federal country so the regions of the site. so it is a hard task for her, although she is not standing any more. it be for her successor, who might be the next chancellor. successor, who might be the next chancellor-— successor, who might be the next chancellor. ~ . ., ,, ., , chancellor. michael, in the states, joe biden was _ chancellor. michael, in the states,
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joe biden was talking _ chancellor. michael, in the states, joe biden was talking a _ chancellor. michael, in the states, joe biden was talking a lot - chancellor. michael, in the states, joe biden was talking a lot about i joe biden was talking a lot about the importance of the 4th ofjuly. of course, american independence day. the 4th ofjuly has been and gone and the impression from outside is america is a lot more open than it was even a matter of months ago. well, it is open to foreign tourists if you _ well, it is open to foreign tourists if you have — well, it is open to foreign tourists if you have tests and so on. you can fly if you have tests and so on. you can fiy in _ if you have tests and so on. you can fiy in from _ if you have tests and so on. you can fly in from britain, but you have to fly in from britain, but you have to fiy from _ fly in from britain, but you have to fly from written to italy, show recent — fly from written to italy, show recent tests. the problem joe biden faces is— recent tests. the problem joe biden faces is like everything in america, except— faces is like everything in america, except for— faces is like everything in america, except for what time of daters, and even _ except for what time of daters, and even there — except for what time of daters, and even there it is probably partisan argument. — even there it is probably partisan argument, —— time of day it is, you have _ argument, —— time of day it is, you have large — argument, —— time of day it is, you have large swathes of the south and middle _ have large swathes of the south and middle of— have large swathes of the south and middle of country where there is such— middle of country where there is such resistance to vaccination and you have — such resistance to vaccination and you have at — such resistance to vaccination and you have at these holidays and then memoriai— you have at these holidays and then memorial day as well. people get
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together— memorial day as well. people get together in large bunches and two weeks _ together in large bunches and two weeks later there is a spike in a given— weeks later there is a spike in a given state. he has his work cut out for him _ given state. he has his work cut out for him. there are some very good graphics— for him. there are some very good graphics that people can find this out there — graphics that people can find this out there with the new york times and on _ out there with the new york times and on google that shows state by state _ and on google that shows state by state how — and on google that shows state by state how many people have had double _ state how many people have had double vaccination or at least a single — double vaccination or at least a single vaccination and where there is very— single vaccination and where there is very low— single vaccination and where there is very low take up so joe single vaccination and where there is very low take up sojoe biden's work— is very low take up sojoe biden's work is _ is very low take up sojoe biden's work is actually convincing a significant chunk of the population to get— significant chunk of the population to get at— significant chunk of the population to get at least one shot. so it is a slightly— to get at least one shot. so it is a slightly different situation than here in— slightly different situation than here in britain where we were all rushing, — here in britain where we were all rushing, waiting for our phones to ping, _ rushing, waiting for our phones to ping, going — rushing, waiting for our phones to ping, going back to january and saying. — ping, going back to january and saying. it — ping, going back to january and saying, it is your turn. ping, going back to january and saying, it is yourturn. in ping, going back to january and saying, it is your turn. in america, it is entireiy— saying, it is your turn. in america, it is entirely different.— it is entirely different. thank you all very much- — it is entirely different. thank you all very much. we _ it is entirely different. thank you all very much. we will _ it is entirely different. thank you all very much. we will see. - it is entirely different. thank you all very much. we will see. 0nly| it is entirely different. thank you | all very much. we will see. only a few days to go and it will be interesting to see what the reaction is over a few days when we are back with dateline next time next week.
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in one country and saw peaceful change, the other it was by force of arms. cuba and south africa have something in common but the change... let's talk about south africa first at the approximate cost was the arrest, after he gave himself up of president zuma, who had been convicted of contempt of court. but there are clearly bigger forces at work here. what is your sense of what is driving these protest? pm sense of what is driving these rotest? �* ., ., ., , sense of what is driving these rotest? �* .., ., , . protest? an extraordinary confluence of events, protest? an extraordinary confluence of events. a — protest? an extraordinary confluence of events, a power _ protest? an extraordinary confluence of events, a power struggle - protest? an extraordinary confluence of events, a power struggle within i of events, a power struggle within the ruling — of events, a power struggle within the ruling anc— of events, a power struggle within the ruling anc with _ of events, a power struggle within the ruling anc with all— of events, a power struggle within the ruling anc with all the - of events, a power struggle within the ruling anc with all the latent i the ruling anc with all the latent dissatisfaction _ the ruling anc with all the latent dissatisfaction of— the ruling anc with all the latent dissatisfaction of a _ the ruling anc with all the latent dissatisfaction of a really - the ruling anc with all the latent dissatisfaction of a really bad - dissatisfaction of a really bad economic— dissatisfaction of a really bad economic experience, - dissatisfaction of a really bad i economic experience, massive unemployment. _ economic experience, massive unemployment, huge - economic experience, massive . unemployment, huge inequality, poverty. — unemployment, huge inequality, poverty. plus _ unemployment, huge inequality, poverty. plus the _ unemployment, huge inequality, poverty, plus the ever— unemployment, huge inequality, poverty, plus the ever present. poverty, plus the ever present covid — poverty, plus the ever present covid. shocking _ poverty, plus the ever present covid. shocking bits _ poverty, plus the ever present covid. shocking bits of - poverty, plus the ever present covid. shocking bits of cases l poverty, plus the ever present. covid. shocking bits of cases and very vaccination— covid. shocking bits of cases and
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very vaccination rates. _ covid. shocking bits of cases and very vaccination rates. let's - covid. shocking bits of cases and very vaccination rates. let's be l very vaccination rates. let's be cleai’. _ very vaccination rates. let's be clear. the _ very vaccination rates. let's be clear, the reports— very vaccination rates. let's be clear, the reports coming - very vaccination rates. let's be clear, the reports coming out. very vaccination rates. let's bel clear, the reports coming out of south _ clear, the reports coming out of south africa. _ clear, the reports coming out of south africa, it _ clear, the reports coming out of south africa, it is _ clear, the reports coming out of south africa, it is very- clear, the reports coming out of south africa, it is very clear - clear, the reports coming out of| south africa, it is very clear now that _ south africa, it is very clear now that there — south africa, it is very clear now that there was _ south africa, it is very clear now that there was an _ south africa, it is very clear now that there was an attempt - south africa, it is very clear now that there was an attempt by. that there was an attempt by supporters— that there was an attempt by supporters of— that there was an attempt by supporters ofjacob- that there was an attempt by supporters ofjacob zuma, i that there was an attempt by supporters ofjacob zuma, inj that there was an attempt by- supporters ofjacob zuma, in various ways. _ supporters ofjacob zuma, in various ways, to _ supporters ofjacob zuma, in various ways. to try— supporters ofjacob zuma, in various ways. to try and _ supporters ofjacob zuma, in various ways, to try and destabilise - supporters ofjacob zuma, in various ways, to try and destabilise the - ways, to try and destabilise the government _ ways, to try and destabilise the government. 50 _ ways, to try and destabilise the government-— government. so some of it was organised? _ government. so some of it was organised? a — government. so some of it was organised? a lot _ government. so some of it was organised? a lot of— government. so some of it was organised? a lot of it _ government. so some of it was organised? a lot of it was - organised? a lot of it was organised- _ organised? a lot of it was organised. it _ organised? a lot of it was organised. it has - organised? a lot of it was organised. it has not - organised? a lot of it was organised. it has notjust| organised? a lot of it was - organised. it has notjust been shopping — organised. it has notjust been shopping centres _ organised. it has notjust been shopping centres that - organised. it has notjust been shopping centres that have - organised. it has notjust been. shopping centres that have been attacked — shopping centres that have been attacked and _ shopping centres that have been attacked and looted, _ shopping centres that have been attacked and looted, it - shopping centres that have been attacked and looted, it has- shopping centres that have been attacked and looted, it has alsol attacked and looted, it has also been _ attacked and looted, it has also been specific _ attacked and looted, it has also been specific oil— attacked and looted, it has also been specific oil refineries, - been specific oil refineries, hospitals. _ been specific oil refineries, hospitals, specific- been specific oil refineries, i hospitals, specific economic been specific oil refineries, - hospitals, specific economic routes where _ hospitals, specific economic routes where lorries — hospitals, specific economic routes where lorries have _ hospitals, specific economic routes where lorries have been— hospitals, specific economic routes where lorries have been torched. l hospitals, specific economic routesl where lorries have been torched. so in other— where lorries have been torched. so in other words. _ where lorries have been torched. so in other words, at— where lorries have been torched. so in other words, at best _ where lorries have been torched. so in other words, at best it— where lorries have been torched. so in other words, at best it was- where lorries have been torched. so in other words, at best it was an - in other words, at best it was an attempt — in other words, at best it was an attempt to— in other words, at best it was an attempt to destabilise _ in other words, at best it was an attempt to destabilise the - attempt to destabilise the government— attempt to destabilise the government and - attempt to destabilise the government and maybe i attempt to destabilise the i government and maybe force attempt to destabilise the - government and maybe force him attempt to destabilise the _ government and maybe force him to release _ government and maybe force him to release mr_ government and maybe force him to release mr zuma, _ government and maybe force him to release mr zuma, and _ government and maybe force him to release mr zuma, and at _ government and maybe force him to release mr zuma, and at worst - government and maybe force him to release mr zuma, and at worst i- government and maybe force him toi release mr zuma, and at worst i read people _ release mr zuma, and at worst i read people were — release mr zuma, and at worst i read people were taiking _ release mr zuma, and at worst i read people were talking about _ release mr zuma, and at worst i read people were talking about attempted coups _ people were talking about attempted coups it _ people were talking about attempted coups. it spiralled _ people were talking about attempted coups. it spiralled out _ people were talking about attempted coups. it spiralled out of _ people were talking about attempted coups. it spiralled out of control- coups. it spiralled out of control and an— coups. it spiralled out of control and an audio— coups. it spiralled out of control and an audio violence _ coups. it spiralled out of control and an audio violence that - coups. it spiralled out of control and an audio violence that has l coups. it spiralled out of control. and an audio violence that has led to extraordinary— and an audio violence that has led to extraordinary economic - and an audio violence that has led to extraordinary economic hit - and an audio violence that has led to extraordinary economic hit on i to extraordinary economic hit on south _ to extraordinary economic hit on south africa's— to extraordinary economic hit on south africa's economy. - to extraordinary economic hit on south africa's economy. huge . south africa's economy. huge uncertainty. _
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south africa's economy. huge uncertainty, queues _ south africa's economy. huge uncertainty, queues are - south africa's economy. huge uncertainty, queues are four. south africa's economy. huge - uncertainty, queues are four basic foodstuffs. — uncertainty, queues are four basic foodstuffs, vaccination— uncertainty, queues are four basic foodstuffs, vaccination centres - uncertainty, queues are four basic. foodstuffs, vaccination centres have been ripped — foodstuffs, vaccination centres have been ripped apart. _ foodstuffs, vaccination centres have been ripped apart, ambulances- foodstuffs, vaccination centres have| been ripped apart, ambulances have been ripped apart, ambulances have been targeted — been ripped apart, ambulances have been targeted. the _ been ripped apart, ambulances have been targeted. the economy - been ripped apart, ambulances have been targeted. the economy and - been ripped apart, ambulances have| been targeted. the economy and the battle _ been targeted. the economy and the battle against — been targeted. the economy and the battle against covid _ been targeted. the economy and the battle against covid had _ been targeted. the economy and the battle against covid had been - battle against covid had been damaged _ battle against covid had been damaged by— battle against covid had been damaged by what _ battle against covid had been damaged by what has - battle against covid had been . damaged by what has happened battle against covid had been - damaged by what has happened there. in damaged by what has happened there. in terms— damaged by what has happened there. in terms of— damaged by what has happened there. in terms of the — damaged by what has happened there. in terms of the situation _ damaged by what has happened there. in terms of the situation in _ damaged by what has happened there. in terms of the situation in south - in terms of the situation in south africa, stephanie, we think of it as the great success story in a lot of ways of african politics. here was a minority white racist regime that defined people purely by the colour of their skin, whether they were black, coloured, white, and everything at that point was still in existence up until the late 20th century. a relatively peaceful transition. that confidence any constitution that saw one of the mandela team right, it looks as though it has not delivered to enough people the quality of life thatis enough people the quality of life that is even the most basic quality of life and all those promises commendable,, you just have to be
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patient, all the rest of it — outpatient seems to have an advance absolutely. outpatient seems to have an advance absolutel . . ., ., , ., ., absolutely. ramapo was a figure of ho -e and absolutely. ramapo was a figure of hope and if— absolutely. ramapo was a figure of hope and if you _ absolutely. ramapo was a figure of hope and if you remember - absolutely. ramapo was a figure of hope and if you remember the - absolutely. ramapo was a figure of- hope and if you remember the desmond tutu term of rainbow nation, bringing people together, and especially talking about, and james looks better before, social and equality. one is inequality and the other —— is poverty and the other is inequality. it drives into the anger and that has been shown. i have been reading what colleagues are writing from durban. it is shocking the kind of dimension of looting, the violence there. and the fear. and for the government it is now to prove that he has a figure of hope and will maintain the rule of law and will maintain the rule of law and he will not give in to the protests and the pressure from a wing from the anc. but as james explains, is it more, is it a
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heading to? how can he get control back. there are a lot of layers of crime and history and as you say, it has been exacerbated by the pandemic which is not, many places of the world, as bad as it in south africa. michael, some cynics, the very least the sceptics, will say revelations concern themselves.— concern themselves. yes, they usually do- _ concern themselves. yes, they usually do. maybe _ concern themselves. yes, they usually do. maybe not - concern themselves. yes, they usually do. maybe not in - concern themselves. yes, they i usually do. maybe not in america. not yet! _ usually do. maybe not in america. not et! ~ . ., , ., not yet! what was interesting about the situation — not yet! what was interesting about the situation in _ not yet! what was interesting about the situation in cuba _ not yet! what was interesting about the situation in cuba and _ not yet! what was interesting about the situation in cuba and in - not yet! what was interesting about the situation in cuba and in south i the situation in cuba and in south africa. _ the situation in cuba and in south africa. the — the situation in cuba and in south africa, the simultaneity of something. covid has obviously sparked — something. covid has obviously sparked and to see pictures from cuba's _ sparked and to see pictures from cuba's hospitals. their revolutionary success was training a
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generation— revolutionary success was training a generation of doctors who go all over the — generation of doctors who go all over the world, poor countries and in their— over the world, poor countries and in their own — over the world, poor countries and in their own country they have excellent _ in their own country they have excellent health care and to see the condition— excellent health care and to see the condition of the hospitals and covid patients— condition of the hospitals and covid patients on awful filthy trolleys in havana _ patients on awful filthy trolleys in havana hospitals, you begin to understand where this broke out. this is— understand where this broke out. this is kind — understand where this broke out. this is kind of a bigger theme. it is not _ this is kind of a bigger theme. it is notjust— this is kind of a bigger theme. it is notjust cuba will this is kind of a bigger theme. it is not just cuba will stop this is kind of a bigger theme. it is notjust cuba will stop in cuba it is a _ is notjust cuba will stop in cuba it is a political football, in america _ it is a political football, in america you have the miami cubans on the right— america you have the miami cubans on the right and _ america you have the miami cubans on the right and the american left who want to— the right and the american left who want to support the revolution, which _ want to support the revolution, which is — want to support the revolution, which is a — want to support the revolution, which is a totally corrupted one party. — which is a totally corrupted one party. one _ which is a totally corrupted one party, one family rule. there is nothing — party, one family rule. there is nothing to— party, one family rule. there is nothing to support there. when you think back— nothing to support there. when you think back to when south africa threw— think back to when south africa threw off— think back to when south africa threw off apartheid in the early 905. _ threw off apartheid in the early 90s, when you think of iraq today, there _ 90s, when you think of iraq today, there is— 90s, when you think of iraq today, there is a — 90s, when you think of iraq today, there is a generation of people who are 30 _ there is a generation of people who are 30 years old and they probably
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have started families of their own who have — have started families of their own who have known nothing but post—dictatorship, pre—democratic grotesquely corrupt societies. we don't _ grotesquely corrupt societies. we don't talk— grotesquely corrupt societies. we don't talk enough about iraq and there _ don't talk enough about iraq and there are — don't talk enough about iraq and there are demonstrations all the time _ there are demonstrations all the time you — there are demonstrations all the time. you know what kind of repression is needed to keep the lid on in _ repression is needed to keep the lid on in egypt — repression is needed to keep the lid on in egypt. we see what is happening in south africa, in cuba. and i_ happening in south africa, in cuba. and i think— happening in south africa, in cuba. and i think it is the long democratic bulge, there are so many people. _ democratic bulge, there are so many people, young people who want more, who, through the internet, through intervention by the united states and the _ intervention by the united states and the g7 powers have been opened up and the g7 powers have been opened up to the _ and the g7 powers have been opened up to the idea of democracy, but their— up to the idea of democracy, but their daily— up to the idea of democracy, but their daily lives are ground down. by their daily lives are ground down. by horrendous corruption and covid has given— by horrendous corruption and covid has given them a spark to come into the streets — has given them a spark to come into the streets and say, no, we will not live like _ the streets and say, no, we will not live like this — the streets and say, no, we will not live like this any more. it is
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sweeping _ live like this any more. it is sweeping these parts of the world where _ sweeping these parts of the world where we — sweeping these parts of the world where we have had a great deal of influence — where we have had a great deal of influence since i would say the early _ influence since i would say the early 1990s. influence since i would say the early 1990s— influence since i would say the earl 1990s. �* , ., ., early 1990s. and yet another reason wh this early 1990s. and yet another reason why this whole _ early 1990s. and yet another reason why this whole question _ early 1990s. and yet another reason why this whole question of - early 1990s. and yet another reason why this whole question of global i why this whole question of global vaccination matters in our own self interest as well. stephanie, you are used to go to cuba relatively regularly. what was your impression of the country then? filth. regularly. what was your impression of the country then?— of the country then? oh, it was a comlete of the country then? oh, it was a complete oppressive _ of the country then? oh, it was a complete oppressive regime. - of the country then? oh, it was a complete oppressive regime. i i of the country then? oh, it was a i complete oppressive regime. i used to travel when i was a little bit younger to cuba and actually help dissidents and it felt like... you know many people have been to cuba, it has a beautiful place and, by the way, this is also one of the problems where the protests have started because the tourists are not coming any more and tourism is one of the main income sources for cubans, but it was shocking to meet people who have been fighting, just ending up in cuba for the most basic
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rights, just to express their political opinion and have fair elections and how they were treated and how they disappeared and how they were killed at times. that was something, a memory that will always stay with me, especially coming from germany. stay with me, especially coming from german ., . . stay with me, especially coming from german ., . , ., , stay with me, especially coming from german ._, , ., , ., , germany. james, finally on this, the relationship — germany. james, finally on this, the relationship between _ germany. james, finally on this, the relationship between the _ germany. james, finally on this, the relationship between the united - relationship between the united states and cuba is a fascinating one. and not releasing its peculiarity. joe biden has stuck with the trump sanctions. he has not lifted them and any cubans have used this as an excuse to say, it is a billy the american's vault, if only they lifted the embargo, we could feed you, everything would be right again. is it a diplomatic mistake, do you think, to keep a country like cuba under this embargo and give them this excuse?— cuba under this embargo and give them this excuse? there are a lot of --eole them this excuse? there are a lot of people who — them this excuse? there are a lot of people who say _ them this excuse? there are a lot of people who say mr _ them this excuse? there are a lot of people who say mr biden _ them this excuse? there are a lot of people who say mr biden should - them this excuse? there are a lot of people who say mr biden should see if he cannot— people who say mr biden should see if he cannot be — people who say mr biden should see if he cannot be adopted _ people who say mr biden should see if he cannot be adopted what - people who say mr biden should see if he cannot be adopted what mr- if he cannot be adopted what mr 0bama — if he cannot be adopted what mr 0bama did. _ if he cannot be adopted what mr obama did, particularly- if he cannot be adopted what mr obama did, particularly by- if he cannot be adopted what mr. obama did, particularly by opening up obama did, particularly by opening up and _ obama did, particularly by opening up and relaxing _ obama did, particularly by opening up and relaxing sanctions, - obama did, particularly by openingj up and relaxing sanctions, allowing the remittances, _ up and relaxing sanctions, allowing the remittances, all— up and relaxing sanctions, allowing the remittances, all of— up and relaxing sanctions, allowing the remittances, all of that - up and relaxing sanctions, allowing the remittances, all of that moneyl the remittances, all of that money to go— the remittances, all of that money to go from — the remittances, all of that money to go from cubans _ the remittances, all of that money to go from cubans in— the remittances, all of that money to go from cubans in america... ii
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the remittances, all of that money. to go from cubans in america... i am notari— to go from cubans in america... i am not an expert — to go from cubans in america... i am not an expert in _ to go from cubans in america... i am not an expert in the _ to go from cubans in america... i am not an expert in the politics - to go from cubans in america... i am not an expert in the politics of- not an expert in the politics of florida. — not an expert in the politics of florida. but— not an expert in the politics of florida, but i— not an expert in the politics of florida, but i am _ not an expert in the politics of florida, but i am told - not an expert in the politics of florida, but i am told that - not an expert in the politics of florida, but i am told that it i not an expert in the politics ofj florida, but i am told that it is not an expert in the politics of. florida, but i am told that it is a key part— florida, but i am told that it is a key part of— florida, but i am told that it is a key part of it _ florida, but i am told that it is a key part of it at _ florida, but i am told that it is a key part of it. at the _ florida, but i am told that it is aj key part of it. at the democratic party _ key part of it. at the democratic party are — key part of it. at the democratic party are trying _ key part of it. at the democratic party are trying to _ key part of it. at the democratic party are trying to defend - party are trying to defend themselves— party are trying to defend themselves in— party are trying to defend themselves in key- party are trying to defend themselves in key races. party are trying to defend - themselves in key races there, party are trying to defend _ themselves in key races there, they do not _ themselves in key races there, they do not want — themselves in key races there, they do not want to— themselves in key races there, they do not want to pick— themselves in key races there, they do not want to pick a _ themselves in key races there, they do not want to pick a fight - themselves in key races there, they do not want to pick a fight with - themselves in key races there, they do not want to pick a fight with the i do not want to pick a fight with the powerful— do not want to pick a fight with the powerful cuban _ do not want to pick a fight with the powerful cuban republicans - do not want to pick a fight with the powerful cuban republicans at - do not want to pick a fight with the powerful cuban republicans at the| powerful cuban republicans at the moment. — powerful cuban republicans at the moment. etc. _ powerful cuban republicans at the moment, etc, etc. _ powerful cuban republicans at the moment, etc, etc. so— powerful cuban republicans at the moment, etc, etc. so there- powerful cuban republicans at the moment, etc, etc. so there is- powerful cuban republicans at the moment, etc, etc. so there is a. moment, etc, etc. so there is a little _ moment, etc, etc. so there is a little bit — moment, etc, etc. so there is a little bit of— moment, etc, etc. so there is a little bit of politics _ moment, etc, etc. so there is a little bit of politics in _ moment, etc, etc. so there is a little bit of politics in this. - moment, etc, etc. so there is a little bit of politics in this. at i little bit of politics in this. at the moment. _ little bit of politics in this. at the moment, joe _ little bit of politics in this. at the moment, joe biden - little bit of politics in this. at the moment, joe biden is . little bit of politics in this. at i the moment, joe biden is being little bit of politics in this. at - the moment, joe biden is being very specific— the moment, joe biden is being very specific those — the moment, joe biden is being very specific those of _ the moment, joe biden is being very specific those of yesterday, - the moment, joe biden is being very specific those of yesterday, himselfl specific those of yesterday, himself at the _ specific those of yesterday, himself at the press — specific those of yesterday, himself at the press conference _ specific those of yesterday, himself at the press conference with - specific those of yesterday, himselfj at the press conference with angela merkel. _ at the press conference with angela merkel. he — at the press conference with angela merkel. he said _ at the press conference with angela merkel, he said to— at the press conference with angela merkel, he said to cuba _ at the press conference with angela merkel, he said to cuba as - at the press conference with angela merkel, he said to cuba as a - at the press conference with angela merkel, he said to cuba as a failed i merkel, he said to cuba as a failed state _ merkel, he said to cuba as a failed state and — merkel, he said to cuba as a failed state and said _ merkel, he said to cuba as a failed state and said we _ merkel, he said to cuba as a failed state and said we are _ merkel, he said to cuba as a failed state and said we are not - merkel, he said to cuba as a failed state and said we are not going - merkel, he said to cuba as a failed state and said we are not going to| state and said we are not going to move _ state and said we are not going to move on— state and said we are not going to move on remittances. _ state and said we are not going to move on remittances. fascinating. and it is one _ move on remittances. fascinating. and it is one to _ move on remittances. fascinating. and it is one to watch, _ move on remittances. fascinating. and it is one to watch, including i and it is one to watch, including the situation in south africa. let me ask each of you to tell us about some other things you think we should be watching that have not had enough attention so far. michael first. . enough attention so far. michael first. , ,., ., enough attention so far. michael first. , ., ., first. there is something going on in america- _ first. there is something going on in america. there _ first. there is something going on in america. there is _ first. there is something going on in america. there is always - in america. there is always something going on in america. this is a vocal— something going on in america. this is a vocal politics, a lot of us here — is a vocal politics, a lot of us here in— is a vocal politics, a lot of us here in britain and around the world think— here in britain and around the world thinkjoe _ here in britain and around the world thinkjoe biden's president and donald — thinkjoe biden's president and donald trump is making noise down in
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a manner— donald trump is making noise down in a manner but— donald trump is making noise down in a manner but he has done. the republican— a manner but he has done. the republican party and any crisis in american — republican party and any crisis in american democracy is not done. and earlier— american democracy is not done. and earlier this _ american democracy is not done. and earlier this week the democrats in the texas — earlier this week the democrats in the texas state legislature fled, a loaded _ the texas state legislature fled, a loaded word, but they flew to washington so they would not be a quorum. _ washington so they would not be a quorum. so — washington so they would not be a quorum, so no business could be enacted — quorum, so no business could be enacted any texas to register. why question— enacted any texas to register. why question it — enacted any texas to register. why question it because the republican majority— question it because the republican majority wanted to change rules on voting _ majority wanted to change rules on voting and — majority wanted to change rules on voting and to sharply curtail the ability— voting and to sharply curtail the ability of— voting and to sharply curtail the ability of people to vote, particularly african americans and people _ particularly african americans and people from poorer communities. a voting _ people from poorer communities. a voting day— people from poorer communities. a voting day is usually tuesday, but a lot of— voting day is usually tuesday, but a lot of people have jobs where they actually _ lot of people have jobs where they actually cannot take the deal. so there _ actually cannot take the deal. so there were all kinds of ways that you can — there were all kinds of ways that you can vote and any texas legislature is trying to cut them all back — legislature is trying to cut them all back it _ legislature is trying to cut them all back. it is voter suppression. the democrats are in the minority,
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they could — the democrats are in the minority, they could not hope to stop this bill. _ they could not hope to stop this bill. so — they could not hope to stop this bill, so they simply remove themselves so that there would not be a quorum and no business could be conducted _ be a quorum and no business could be conducted. that is where politics is that in— conducted. that is where politics is that in america. joe biden is trying to pass _ that in america. joe biden is trying to pass a _ that in america. joe biden is trying to pass a $3 — that in america. joe biden is trying to pass a $3 trillion infrastructure bill, to pass a $3 trillion infrastructure bill. a _ to pass a $3 trillion infrastructure bill, a bailout bill and people should — bill, a bailout bill and people should really be paying attention to what is _ should really be paying attention to what is happening in the state houses. — what is happening in the state houses, particularly the ones controlled by the republican party, which _ controlled by the republican party, which seems to be really making a strong _ which seems to be really making a strong effort to turn america into a one-party— strong effort to turn america into a one—party state, even though they are not— one—party state, even though they are not any— one—party state, even though they are not any majority nationally. stephanie, talking of elections, mentioned the reaction in germany already and we had a terrible flooding this week. elf already and we had a terrible flooding this week. of course and while that is. _ flooding this week. of course and while that is, by _ flooding this week. of course and while that is, by the _ flooding this week. of course and while that is, by the time - flooding this week. of course and while that is, by the time being, l while that is, by the time being, very much ending is everywhere, it is also very political because it is now a challenge for the likely successor any job now a challenge for the likely successor anyjob of an angela merkel. and at the prime minister of the land where they were damages are
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found, he is competing very much with the green party and the green party now has a kind of advantage because they are saying, well, the flooding is a consequence of climate change and eddie celia, angela merkel�*s party —— cdu. they always say they have to think of the economy. so it is interesting to hear the candidates from the green and the conservatives are showing up at the floods and bringing their message and this might be a decisive message and this might be a decisive message for who wins the election. james question mark afghanistan. the media _ james question mark afghanistan. the media in— james question mark afghanistan. the media in the _ james question mark afghanistan. the media in the world _ james question mark afghanistan. the media in the world is _ james question mark afghanistan. the media in the world is good _ james question mark afghanistan. the media in the world is good at - james question mark afghanistan. the media in the world is good at things i media in the world is good at things like being _ media in the world is good at things like being pulled _ media in the world is good at things like being pulled down, _ media in the world is good at things like being pulled down, but- media in the world is good at things like being pulled down, but then . media in the world is good at thingsj like being pulled down, but then we forget _ like being pulled down, but then we forget about — like being pulled down, but then we forget about them. _ like being pulled down, but then we forget about them. the _ like being pulled down, but then we forget about them. the spread - like being pulled down, but then we forget about them. the spread of i like being pulled down, but then we forget about them. the spread of a i forget about them. the spread of a telephone — forget about them. the spread of a telephone across _ forget about them. the spread of a telephone across afghanistan, - forget about them. the spread of a telephone across afghanistan, the i telephone across afghanistan, the capturing — telephone across afghanistan, the capturing of— telephone across afghanistan, the capturing of border— telephone across afghanistan, the capturing of border posts, -
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telephone across afghanistan, the capturing of border posts, the - capturing of border posts, the besieging _ capturing of border posts, the besieging of— capturing of border posts, the besieging of provincial- capturing of border posts, the| besieging of provincial capitals capturing of border posts, the - besieging of provincial capitals —— the taliban — besieging of provincial capitals —— the taliban. all— besieging of provincial capitals —— the taliban. all of— besieging of provincial capitals —— the taliban. all of the _ besieging of provincial capitals —— the taliban. all of the stuff- besieging of provincial capitals —— the taliban. all of the stuff we . besieging of provincial capitals —— i the taliban. all of the stuff we saw before. _ the taliban. all of the stuff we saw before. women— the taliban. all of the stuff we saw before, women being _ the taliban. all of the stuff we saw before, women being forced - the taliban. all of the stuff we saw before, women being forced to- the taliban. all of the stuff we saw before, women being forced to not the taliban. all of the stuff we saw. before, women being forced to not go to schools. _ before, women being forced to not go to schools. all — before, women being forced to not go to schools, all of _ before, women being forced to not go to schools, all of that _ before, women being forced to not go to schools, all of that happening - to schools, all of that happening again— to schools, all of that happening again and — to schools, all of that happening again and yes. _ to schools, all of that happening again and yes, there _ to schools, all of that happening again and yes, there are - to schools, all of that happening again and yes, there are taking. again and yes, there are taking place _ again and yes, there are taking place at — again and yes, there are taking place at doha _ again and yes, there are taking place at doha and _ again and yes, there are taking place at doha and the - again and yes, there are taking place at doha and the afghan l place at doha and the afghan president— place at doha and the afghan president annex _ place at doha and the afghan president annex pakistan, . place at doha and the afghanl president annex pakistan, but place at doha and the afghan - president annex pakistan, but the military— president annex pakistan, but the military reality _ president annex pakistan, but the military reality —— _ president annex pakistan, but the military reality —— can _ president annex pakistan, but the military reality —— can presence i president annex pakistan, but the i military reality —— can presence and in uzbekistah— military reality —— can presence and in uzbekistan spec _ military reality —— can presence and in uzbekistan spec ascent _ military reality —— can presence and in uzbekistan spec ascent is - military reality —— can presence and in uzbekistan spec ascent is that i in uzbekistan spec ascent is that there _ in uzbekistan spec ascent is that there is— in uzbekistan spec ascent is that there is a — in uzbekistan spec ascent is that there is a real— in uzbekistan spec ascent is that there is a real human— in uzbekistan spec ascent is that there is a real human cost- in uzbekistan spec ascent is that there is a real human cost of- in uzbekistan spec ascent is that| there is a real human cost of this was a _ there is a real human cost of this was a very— there is a real human cost of this was a very brief— there is a real human cost of this was a very brief last _ there is a real human cost of this was a very brief last word. - was a very brief last word. reallybe _ was a very brief last word. reallybe-_ was a very brief last word. reallybe. was a very brief last word. reall be. �* . , ., reallybe. on afghanistan, the concern is _ reallybe. on afghanistan, the concern is there _ reallybe. on afghanistan, the concern is there are _ reallybe. on afghanistan, the concern is there are several i concern is there are several thousand _ concern is there are several thousand people, contractors, translators have been working primarily _ translators have been working primarily for the americans. they cannot— primarily for the americans. they cannot be — primarily for the americans. they cannot be left behind. there is a real body— cannot be left behind. there is a real body that this is not an active plan to— real body that this is not an active plan to get— real body that this is not an active plan to get them out.— plan to get them out. michael, stephanie _ plan to get them out. michael, stephanie and _ plan to get them out. michael, stephanie and james, - plan to get them out. michael, stephanie and james, thank i plan to get them out. michael, | stephanie and james, thank you plan to get them out. michael, - stephanie and james, thank you very much. thank you very much for your company. dateline london back the same time next week.
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the sun's out, it's a beautiful day and it's going to be a hot one. temperatures this weekend could peak at around 31 celsius tomorrow across the south—east of the uk. and it's all thanks to high pressure, which has established itself across the uk and thankfully also bringing settled weather to the flood stricken regions in western parts of europe. so, sunny skies across the bulk of the country through this afternoon. but a bit more cloud dragged in by a wind off the atlantic across northern and western parts of scotland. a lot fresher here from the northern isles to the hebrides, only around 14 to 17 celsius
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and a few bits of rain. that's also true for the northern coast of northern ireland. further inland towards the east and south, it is hot. in fact, temperatures could hit 30 degrees in hull, sheffield and gloucester. in london, around the high 20s and the high mid 20s expected across the south coast. lots of hot sunshine for the british grand prix as well both on saturday and sunday. we could also get very close to 31 celsius. the uv levels are also high across england and the south of england. elsewhere across the country, they are high and not quite so high where it is cool and cloudy in western scotland. the cloudier conditions will continue through the night across scotland and northern ireland. and actually by the end of the night, it could turn quite murky and drizzly around some of the coasts and the far north—west of the uk. elsewhere a clear night and balmy. temperatures no lower than about 15 or 16 degrees. the high pressure is with us tomorrow but around the high pressure, we got slightly fresher air blown in off the atlantic and
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also dragging in a bit more cloud. scattered clouds tomorrow, broadly speaking, across the northern half of the uk. and a bit fresher, too, quite a bit in spots, a drop of 4 or 5 degrees in northern ireland and parts of scotland. the heat will contract to central and south—eastern areas of sunday. 31 is possible in london. and south—eastern areas of sunday. monday and into tuesday, the high pressure is with us, so the weather remains settled. it's a fine outlook into the week ahead. temperatures won't be quite so high but very respectable for the time of year. we are expecting sunshine and temperatures in the mid 20s across most of the uk. goodbye.
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this is bbc news — these are the latest headlines in the uk and around the world. the death toll from the floods in western germany and belgium rises to more than 150. rescue teams continue to search for hundreds of people still missing. european leaders blame the extreme weather on climate change. experts say that global warming make torrential rain more likely. n0 sound. reporting emergency services in trying to assess the scale of the damage. quarantine rules in place for travellers returning to england and
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