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hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are tom newton dunn, who's the chief political commentator at times radio, and sonia sodha, the chief leader writer for the observer. hello to you both. tomorrow's front pages, starting with... the ft leads with reports of the prime minister's emergency plans to make some key workers exempt from rules to avoid social and economic disruption. and people partying again — the front of the metro focuses on the reopening of clubs in england, alongside the pm's warnings to be cautious and to prepare for vaccine passports. the telegraph says the policy is part of a push to drive upjab uptake among the young.
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the mail suggests other crowded venues could also soon require vaccine passports — the paper says the plans have been criticised by hospitality chiefs. the i says the measure could also include music gigs and sports events. the guardian leads with more revelations about the use of spying tools allegedly sold to governments. and the sun writes that the duke of sussex�*s �*tell—all�* book has stunned' the royal family. so let's begin... sonia and tom, lovely to see you both. sonia, iwonder sonia and tom, lovely to see you both. sonia, i wonder if you could start off for us, please. front page of the metro local paper to london, three chairs is the headline but look at that picture. yes three chairs is the headline but look at that picture.— three chairs is the headline but look at that picture. yes put up the eo - le look at that picture. yes put up the --eole on look at that picture. yes put up the peeple on the _ look at that picture. yes put up the people on the front _ look at that picture. yes put up the people on the front all _ look at that picture. yes put up the people on the front all look - look at that picture. yes put up the people on the front all look very i people on the front all look very happy, don't they? they are a bunch of clubbers about to go clubbing in
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brighton. a lot of nightclubs celebrated freedom day by opening their doors at midnight last night. at the 1st possible moment they could. so clubs up and down the country, people were partying the night away. it's actually nightclubs that have come in for real focus after the prime ministers press conference this afternoon. so this is the first time that clubs have been allowed to open in 16 months. but they really aren't the sort of environment that you cannot make covid say. a lot of very poorly ventilated, your close contact with people and they tend to be very densely packed. they actually go against the three c's thatjonathan downtown, the deputy chief medical officer talked about at the briefing this afternoon. —— van tam. they are serious questions about opening of clubs, is this the right thing to do, it's something they did in the
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netherlands and they had to uterine just a couple of weeks after with the dutch prime minister apologising for making the wrong call. the prime minister today said that when it gets to september people are going to have to have covid passports they are going to have to show that the double vaccinated to get into a club. but i think the question is with rates rocketing as they are now, why are we opening their name out? obviously economic reasons to do so, if you run a club it's been very terrible not been able to open for the last 16 months. young people have made a lot of sacrifices and they are the predominant customers of nightclubs. but at the same time i think there are rightly very serious concerns about clubs becoming essentially breeding grounds in super spreaders in terms of covid. ., ,, �* grounds in super spreaders in terms of covid. ., �* grounds in super spreaders in terms ofcovid. ., �* ., grounds in super spreaders in terms ofcovid. ., ., . of covid. tom, you're part of that briefin: of covid. tom, you're part of that briefing earlier _ of covid. tom, you're part of that briefing earlier today. _ of covid. tom, you're part of that briefing earlier today. what - of covid. tom, you're part of that briefing earlier today. what you | briefing earlier today. what you make of it? _ briefing earlier today. what you make of it? it _ briefing earlier today. what you make of it? it was _ briefing earlier today. what you make of it? it was a _ briefing earlier today. what you make of it? it was a big - briefing earlier today. what you | make of it? it was a big surprise announcement from the prime minister today _
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announcement from the prime minister today it's _ announcement from the prime minister today. it's been a funny old day. i think_ today. it's been a funny old day. i think that — today. it's been a funny old day. i think that the fair way to sum it up. think that the fair way to sum it up for— think that the fair way to sum it up. for some people there is people in front— up. for some people there is people in front of— up. for some people there is people in front of the metros days of great celebration, clubs open again, you can hug _ celebration, clubs open again, you can hug your mate you can party. i 'ust can hug your mate you can party. i just come _ can hug your mate you can party. i just come from a party. first mice into 18 _ just come from a party. first mice into 18 months it was all a atmosphere. close together and lots of basic_ atmosphere. close together and lots of basic sports talk for a while which — of basic sports talk for a while which is — of basic sports talk for a while which is interesting. for others it's been— which is interesting. for others it's been a _ which is interesting. for others it's been a day of real fear, what to do— it's been a day of real fear, what to do and — it's been a day of real fear, what to do and how to keep you self safe. the vaccine — to do and how to keep you self safe. the vaccine passports and out and then it _ the vaccine passports and out and then it was — the vaccine passports and out and then it was a big run from the prime ministen _ then it was a big run from the prime ministen it's— then it was a big run from the prime minister. it's kind of been threatening to do this for a while. they've _ threatening to do this for a while. they've asked matt would not nightclubs to bring in covid passports by checking peoples apps, to check— passports by checking peoples apps, to check they are double vaccinated. if to check they are double vaccinated. if not _ to check they are double vaccinated. if not then _ to check they are double vaccinated. if not then they have to take a test very recently. nightclubs have basically — very recently. nightclubs have basically said, were not to do this you have — basically said, were not to do this you have a — basically said, were not to do this you have a give us cue our skin is, there's— you have a give us cue our skin is, there's no— you have a give us cue our skin is, there's no time, there's no time we are opening — there's no time, there's no time we are opening. the government quickly responded _
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are opening. the government quickly responded by saying we're not going to legislate the end of september once not— to legislate the end of september once not excuse to buy for anybody to he _ once not excuse to buy for anybody to be vaccinated. it's a bit of a shock— to be vaccinated. it's a bit of a shock to — to be vaccinated. it's a bit of a shock to the system, i suppose was up shock to the system, i suppose was up one _ shock to the system, i suppose was up one of— shock to the system, i suppose was up one of the things that is very interesting talk about the mix—up on their front _ interesting talk about the mix—up on their front pages while it is the prime — their front pages while it is the prime minister went on to say and i quote _ prime minister went on to say and i quote "venues where large quotes gather! _ quote "venues where large quotes gather". they asked similar questions, what does that mean prime minister. _ questions, what does that mean prime minister, what are large venues? foothaii— minister, what are large venues? football grounds i suggested. he wouldn't — football grounds i suggested. he wouldn't be drawn, he clearly left that door — wouldn't be drawn, he clearly left that door open just wouldn't be drawn, he clearly left that door openjust in case things -et that door openjust in case things get really— that door openjust in case things get really bad come september and he wants to _ get really bad come september and he wants to bring vaccine passports for all venues — wants to bring vaccine passports for all venues. we wants to bring vaccine passports for all venues. ~ ., ., all venues. we had turned to the front page _ all venues. we had turned to the front page of _ all venues. we had turned to the front page of the _ all venues. we had turned to the front page of the telegraph. - all venues. we had turned to the front page of the telegraph. as l all venues. we had turned to the i front page of the telegraph. as tom said, his left the door open. what do you make of that strategy? i do you make of that strategy? i think that there are really serious questions to be asked about if you're going to do this from
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september, why aren't you doing it now? i'm sure with the government would say is that not everyone has had a chance you had a double vaccination yet. first vaccinations have onlyjust been opened up to younger people in recent weeks. maybe they would say it's not fair to do it for september. but really from the perspective of limiting the spread of covid, we are deep into the third wave doll. daily rates of infection are incredibly high, they are the highest it's been since mid—january. hospitalisation and desk down which is great and hospitals are really coming under pressure with increasing rates of hospitalisation. i think you can see why the government has gone to the strategy of doing it from september onwards. but i think the question is why until then? the telegraph in its story don't to the angle well, this is a bit of a carrot to persuade young people to get vaccinated. if
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young people to get vaccinated. if you kept the proportion of people that get vaccinations and 35% of the 18 to 47 got their firstjob. which is what the government is quite worried about. it does need to be said that young people have had less time that does need to get into gear and get this book than older age group who have been eligible for a lot longer. that is one way of looking at it. but i think the covid passport is notjust about incentivising people to get vaccinated. it's also about making these poorly ventilated spaces more covid safe when you get there. then the best way to do that is to make sure you are vaccinated only. i think there are questions about why it's not being done sooner. it is think there are questions about why it's not being done sooner.- it's not being done sooner. it is a aood it's not being done sooner. it is a good doing _ it's not being done sooner. it is a good doing that _ it's not being done sooner. it is a good doing that big _ it's not being done sooner. it is a good doing that big question - it's not being done sooner. it is a good doing that big question of l good doing that big question of timing. friends have done something similar, you probably would've heard the president saying you will not go to caf s. obviously they have a very
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healthy social culture. it works. the french went out and they very quickly booked their vaccines. how do you think the british young are going to react to this stick? should i call it a stick? _ going to react to this stick? should i call it a stick? yes, _ going to react to this stick? should i call it a stick? yes, it's _ going to react to this stick? should i call it a stick? yes, it's a - i call it a stick? yes, it's a stick, _ i call it a stick? yes, it's a stick, i_ i call it a stick? yes, it's a stick, i think we have a carrot and it didn't _ stick, i think we have a carrot and it didn't seem to work another is the stick— it didn't seem to work another is the stick as— it didn't seem to work another is the stick as well. to a frenchman for his— the stick as well. to a frenchman for his morning cafe deprived and he .oes for his morning cafe deprived and he goes and _ for his morning cafe deprived and he goes and gets the job fast. football crowds _ goes and gets the job fast. football crowds will be a different matter. i think— crowds will be a different matter. i think you've got an awful lot of peopie — think you've got an awful lot of people who may not have taken the vaccine _ people who may not have taken the vaccine vet — people who may not have taken the vaccine yet who won't want to miss the game _ vaccine yet who won't want to miss the game on saturday. it's an interesting debate, how do you e>
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stuck— up a vaccination rate though it is stuck around 65% certainly among the 20—year—old. how much of the british public— 20—year—old. how much of the british public doesn't mind to show a pass, and appie _ public doesn't mind to show a pass, and apple or a bit of certification? it and apple or a bit of certification? it really— and apple or a bit of certification? it really crosses, personally i'm not too — it really crosses, personally i'm not too bothered. i think a lot of peopie _ not too bothered. i think a lot of people aren't too bothered. quite a few torv— people aren't too bothered. quite a few tory mps are bothered. those think— few tory mps are bothered. those think it's _ few tory mps are bothered. those think it's a — few tory mps are bothered. those think it's a huge infringement on their— think it's a huge infringement on their liberties not wanting to show anything — their liberties not wanting to show anything i— their liberties not wanting to show anything. i have always noted throughout this pandemic the british public— throughout this pandemic the british public actually is a little less bothered with being asked to show things— bothered with being asked to show things being checked to having a little _ things being checked to having a little bit — things being checked to having a little bit deprived and more bothered about feeling safe. i suspect— bothered about feeling safe. i suspect actually there will be an enormous — suspect actually there will be an enormous parliament because they have to _ enormous parliament because they have to pass legislations, but i don't _ have to pass legislations, but i don't think the public actually will be don't think the public actually will he too _ don't think the public actually will be too bothered by it. as don't think the public actually will be too bothered by it.— don't think the public actually will be too bothered by it. as we turn to the first story _ be too bothered by it. as we turn to the first story looking _ be too bothered by it. as we turn to the first story looking at _ be too bothered by it. as we turn to the first story looking at the - be too bothered by it. as we turn to the first story looking at the front . the first story looking at the front page of the financial times and that is that key sector workers will be
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exempt from isolation rules says mr johnson. we've heard about this pandemic. there is a ten day lapse before we start to see the effect of what took place today. it i think people will have heard of the ping — endemic. people will have heard of the ping - endemic. ~ �* ., ., ., ., , endemic. we've got one and any arents endemic. we've got one and any parents out _ endemic. we've got one and any parents out there _ endemic. we've got one and any parents out there will— endemic. we've got one and any parents out there will be - endemic. we've got one and any parents out there will be more i endemic. we've got one and any i parents out there will be more than aware that there are lots of schoolchildren missing there last week of school and summer holidays, their self isolating. and we've got anyjust hospitals saying that they are really short—staffed because the numbers of staff that are self isolating. it's already pretty bad. and that's because covid rates are so high that the app is pinging lots of people that have come into contact because of covid cases. you're right that is only going to get worse with the relaxation that
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we are seeing today with almost all remaining restrictions on social gatherings being lifted. this i think is something the government is doing to compensate the recognition the fact that we just can't have a situation where we've got essential services staff like police officers, doctors and nurses, like train drivers and services essentially just coming to a halt. we saw in the metropolitan line suspended at the weekend because so many staff were self isolating. i think the real question is, are we doing the right thing by letting infection rates get so high? obviously it's not the apps felt that so many people are self isolating. they are being asked to cite isley because infection rates are so high in so many people are coming into contact with positive cases. i thought it was really striking what the prime minister said today and the cheap side is that people who come into contact with a positive covid case, they are
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five times more likely to test positive themselves. if you take self isolation out of the picture that means that they are more likely to go on and infect other people as well. am the government says we've got to loosen up now because if we don't do it now, when do you do a because that we need to get this wave out of the way before the autumn. but there are lots and lots of scientists and experts to really question that logic was up you get international expert saying that the uk is effectively conducting a bit of an uncontrolled experiment. by letting infection rates deliberately spread to the population even with vaccination rates what they are and we are doing well when it comes to vaccination but it could prove just too much in terms of pressure on the nhs. and we could end up going into another lockdown in the autumn which obviously everybody wants to avoid. i think what's going on with the ping-
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i think what's going on with the ping— endemic is really a reflection of how out of control infection rates are at the moment. hat of how out of control infection rates are at the moment. not 'ust the pressure �* rates are at the moment. not 'ust the pressure on i rates are at the moment. not 'ust the pressure on the i rates are at the moment. not 'ust the pressure on the nhs, is h rates are at the moment. notjust the pressure on the nhs, is it? i the pressure on the nhs, is it? there's the idea of trying to strike a fine balance. the app is actually doing what it was designed to do successfully. this is why we had this ping — endemic. howeverfor those essential workers who are being told that you will be exempt, they could well turn around and say well why should i put myself at risk? ., , ., , . , well why should i put myself at risk? ., , . , ., risk? that is a perfectly fair argument- _ risk? that is a perfectly fair argument. also _ risk? that is a perfectly fair argument. also others - risk? that is a perfectly fair argument. also others mayj risk? that is a perfectly fair - argument. also others may turn around — argument. also others may turn around and _ argument. also others may turn around and say i'm a key worker as wellr _ around and say i'm a key worker as well, i_ around and say i'm a key worker as well, ithink— around and say i'm a key worker as well, i think my product to live, to society— well, i think my product to live, to society is— well, i think my product to live, to society isjust... i'm not to say home — society isjust... i'm not to say home anv— society isjust... i'm not to say home any more because joe didn't say home _ home any more because joe didn't say home it _ home any more because joe didn't say home it will— home any more because joe didn't say home. it will be slightly devices. where _ home. it will be slightly devices. where into a brand—new world where we have _ where into a brand—new world where we have almost zero legal restrictions of how we returned by test track — restrictions of how we returned by test track and trace it not been able _ test track and trace it not been able to— test track and trace it not been able to travel when you want to encourage you when you come back.
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marrying _ encourage you when you come back. marrying that up with the state of the pandemic, which cases are soaring — the pandemic, which cases are soaring with the in and far from everybody _ soaring with the in and far from everybody protected. it can be really — everybody protected. it can be really difficult balance to strike. listening — really difficult balance to strike. listening to the government press conference, without a doubt the next month _ conference, without a doubt the next month to _ conference, without a doubt the next month to six — conference, without a doubt the next month to six week is going to be incredibly— month to six week is going to be incredibly difficult and choppy. those — incredibly difficult and choppy. those cases will continue to rise, peopies — those cases will continue to rise, peoples lives it can be turned upside — peoples lives it can be turned upside down. with double the amount of caseload, quadrupled possibility with 50,000 we could easily get to 200,000 _ with 50,000 we could easily get to 200,000 according to some government scientists. _ 200,000 according to some government scientists, you can add 2 million peopie — scientists, you can add 2 million people isolating in a week which is extraordinary figure. and if we can -et extraordinary figure. and if we can get through all that cases can come down _ get through all that cases can come down at _ get through all that cases can come down at the end of august, just before — down at the end of august, just before schools go back and i think we'd _ before schools go back and i think we'd have — before schools go back and i think we'd have broken the back of this thing _ we'd have broken the back of this thing and — we'd have broken the back of this thing and the governments policy will hit _ thing and the governments policy will hit of— thing and the governments policy will bit of a messy success but his success — will bit of a messy success but his success if— will bit of a messy success but his success. if they can't get those cases— success. if they can't get those cases down by the start of september and cases— cases down by the start of september and cases are going up then and then
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schools— and cases are going up then and then schools go— and cases are going up then and then schools go back and

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